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Who among us wouldn't love time travel? The reality is
it doesn't exist. But today we're gonna play a game.
What if? What if we could go back in time.
That's now on the DLLs Rangers Podcast. Yeah, let's get

(01:17):
to the top ten what ifs for your Texas Rangers.
I hope you caught the Cowboys Show on Tuesday night
and the Stars Show last night, and of course the
Maverick Show comes your way tomorrow. But we're the Rangers Show.
John Radigan here with Jeff Wilson. It's the DLLs Rangers Podcast.
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of all of these graphics, which you'll see throughout the show.
Not an easy thing to do, but we're alfully glad
to have her here, and we're always glad to have
you here as well. So we start and we count
backwards from ten down to one. I believe that most people,
Jeff will be able to guess number one, but I'm
not sure that any buddy could guess number ten. I

(02:02):
really like it though. This is a really good one,
and you gotta and it's timely because the June draft
just happened.

Speaker 7 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, so what what if the Texas Rangers could
go back and change the twenty eleven i'm sorry, the
twenty fifteen draft. There you see the bullet points as
you remember, the Rangers in twenty fourteen awful And so
they had the number four pick. Who who And guess what?

(02:35):
Dylan Tate. Dylan didn't work out very well. No, yeah,
right handed pitcher from ucsbuh, probably the best pitcher in
the draft, and which tells you how often these guys
get these things wrong. Dylan didn't work out, needless to say.

(02:55):
And then look who was the number five pick. Yeah,
a guy named Kyle Tucker by the Astros. Kyle Tucker,
it's safe to say, has worked out. He worked out
real war for the Astros. He's working out real nicely
for the for the Cubs right now. Yeah, And boy, uh,
what a what a nice piece that would be to
have in the outfield. I know he plays right field

(03:17):
now maybe he was, maybe he was a left fielder
when the Rangers brought him up. If they had select him,
who knows where where he would have landed. But man,
what a what a nice player that would have been
to have in the middle.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Was like he would have locked down a corner for sure.
And the reality is the Rangers I think would have
had enough money to re sign him, right given the
nature of the team. And again and in fairness to
the Astros had a lot of really good players that
were all coming, you know, do at roughly the same time,
and you can't sign them all. But at that stage

(03:53):
in Rangers history and development, he'd have been top of
the heap.

Speaker 7 (03:57):
Yeah. And one other story about the twenty fifth team
draft in twenty fourteen, the Astros failed to sign their
first pick, so they got a pick, the second overall
pick because they couldn't sign the first overall pick, and
with the second overall pick they selected Alex Bregman. There

(04:18):
is belief within the organization Rangers organization that had that pick,
had the Astros not had that pick, that Alex Bregman
would have been available for the Rangers. Uh, that would
have been what would have been three? So you know
it ended up going it was it was it was
Danzy Swanson first, then Bregman, then it was Brendan Rodgers

(04:45):
to the Rockies and then and then the Rangers. So
they're there. Apparently was some pretty good debate on if
the Rockies would have taken Bregman or Rogers. I think
they preferred Rogers, which kind of tells you where why
the Rockies are where they are. But that would have
been another interesting wrinkle. What what if this isn't an

(05:05):
Astros top ten? But adding to ours, what if the
Astros had signed Appel? Mark I think was who was
Mark Appel the pitcher who was injured and they didn't
want to sign What if they sign him, they don't
have that pick and then the Rangers maybe could get
Alex Brigman. Well, how's that? How's that changed the Astros? So,

(05:28):
I mean the Rangers changed the West?

Speaker 6 (05:30):
Yeah. And by the way, the best most decorated, I
suppose successful pick out of that fifteen draft was Pete
Fairbanks success. He had his success elsewhere, right most right, Yeah,
he got to the big leagues with the range he
did very famously traded for Nick Solec. All right, Solak, Wow,

(05:51):
that's a good trade.

Speaker 7 (05:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Hey, So let's get to number nine. As we cruise
through our top ten, what ifs? What if Jacob de
Gram had not needed Tommy John surgery in twenty twenty
three the Bullet Points there signed him for one hundred
and eighty five million just before that twenty twenty three season,
got only six starts in, didn't make it out of April,

(06:13):
and didn't pitch in the title defense season until late September,
So basically, you know, missed the better part of twenty
three and twenty four. And I think if honestly, if
Jacob de gram had not had to have Tommy John surgery,
the Rangers would have won two World Series in twenty

(06:35):
twenty three? Is that possible? They would have won it
better in twenty I mean, the reality is they won
the World Series. Like man, if they hadn't right, if
they had fallen just short, if somebody's ace had just
shoved right, you'd be going, oh man. But as it is,
they did it amazingly. Jeff without him.

Speaker 7 (06:55):
Yeah, those six starts that he made, the Rangers won
all six of those games. Was a vital YEP contributor
to the twenty twenty three team. Considering they want they
won their playoff spot by one game. Now, Jacob mcgram,
they don't make the playoffs. You could argue if he
if he stays healthy, you know, they they it's a

(07:18):
different journey. They don't have to they likely win the division.
They don't have to go to uh Tampa and have
the the tough road they went fun intended.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
Yeah, they were Seattle. I mean before that there I
think Anaheim, Seattle, Tampa, Baltimore.

Speaker 7 (07:36):
They went on the road forever. Yeah, you know, won
all all of their road games in the postseason, and
and so you know, again it worked out. And then
not having him last season. You know, this team, you know,
had had its issues last season, but you know, the
rotation wasn't terrific last year. No, not at all. So

(07:58):
if you put Jacob m gram in the middle of
that thing, is he able to h help help you know,
keep games close? Kind of like this first half. You know,
the offense sputtered last season, not as badly as it
did in the first half of this year, but the
offense just wasn't there. And and what if Jacob de

(08:20):
gram is is in one of those rotation spots you
know what what you know and and and holding it
down and and you know he and Valdi again are
forming this this terrific one to punch. Are they a
playoff team? Do they? You know? Because the division wasn't
great last year? No, the division was not great. I

(08:41):
think shoot as the aster theme in ninety games and
won the division. So is there an opportunity for the
Rangers there too to be better with Jacob de.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
Grom yeah, and then there's no doubt, like any team
is better with Jacob. Right, the question would be could
they have won the Vision, because again last year they
had the offensive issues that continued into this year. But
any team that's that's out there is better with Jacob
de Gram, and I think it just would have been.

(09:12):
It really would have been fun too, as we've learned
how much fun it is to watch Jacob de Gram.
But Jeff, you know they always talk about when you
face hitters, you're adrenaline goes up a little bit, and
then when you face opponents it goes up a little
and if there's a third deck, right so you're not
in the minor leagues, it goes up a little bit.
And we know that in the playoffs it goes up

(09:34):
a little bit more. Right, So, Jacob de Gram and
that setting, to me, I think would have been so
much fun to watch.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
One hundred percent. And look, make no mistake, as we
as the Rangers sit here a game under five hundred
at the All Star Break, they still think they're contenders,
and they still think if they can just get in
the tournament, Sure, Jacob de Gram and Nathan Vivaldi in
a short series will be hell on whoever they're playing.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
They will.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
It gives the Rangers just an enormous advantage to have
those guys who you're not gonna you're probably not gonna
beat him twice in a row. I know the Rangers
felt that way about Hammels and Darvish in sixteen. But
to get have you know, let's say the Rangers win.
Let's say they're the third wild card team. All right,
they go face the worst division winner, could be could

(10:23):
be the Astros, could you know, could be an East team,
And it looks like the Tigers are ya run away. Anyway,
it's a three game series and that team at home
has to beat de Grom and Evaldi twice. Right, it
ain't happening.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
No, No, I mean the worst they're gonna do is split,
right the first two and for us a third. So anyway,
very interesting and very fun to think about. What if
on Jacob de Gram. But let's get to number eight.
What if Bruce Bochy had decided to stay retired GM

(11:03):
Chris Young wanted an established manager See why played for
Boach in two thousand and six in San Diego. The
only other candidate interviewed was Tony Beasley. Although Jeff, I
believe that was because it was not a two horse race.
It was a one horse race. That was a courtesy
interview to Bees, who's a great guy. Everybody loves him.

(11:25):
He's still with the organization, still coaching, and and and
he was the interim manager. So all of those things
factored into that. But the reality is, honestly, I think
if Boach had decided not to come back, if he had,
you know, see why, I hadn't been able to talk
him into coming back, they would have gone and gotten

(11:46):
somebody different than than Bruce Boach.

Speaker 7 (11:49):
Yeah, but but see why he wanted a guy who'd managed. Yes,
he wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't looking for a great
bench coach. He was looking for a guy who had
had you know, had the would command respect. He replaced
Chris Woodward, who was the third base coach for the

(12:09):
Dodgers and is a great hell of a guy. I
love Chris Woodward, fun, great energy, but he'd never been
a manager, and.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Nor had the guy before him.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
Jeff Banister, correct, nor had Ron Washington if we want
to go back even that far. So you know that,
and maybe that had been the John Daniels thing where.
You know, a lot of people had speculated, who are
critics of j D, that he hired these guys who
would be more open to his suggestions and would wouldn't

(12:41):
want to butt heads with their their baseball opinions. The
White the openings that year, the White Sox had an opening.
They hired Pedro Grifful and that didn't last. You know,
the Rangers, we know, hired Bruce Bochi, the Marlins Skips
who now works for the Rangers, and the Royals hired

(13:03):
Matt Kotaro from the Rays. I believe he was there.
Maybe they're bench coach, but he was a well thought
of baseball mind. So none of those guys screamed big
league manager. Now, Skip Schumacher, a lot of people think
he's going to replace Bruce Bochi whenever retires. So who
would who would they have gotten? And I don't know,

(13:24):
I don't know. It's just a tough one. And so
and we all know Bruce Bochi'd won the three World
Series with the Giants, the first in twenty ten against
the Rangers. Just a guy who you know, had success
at times everywhere he went. You know, he took the
Potters to the World Series the Giants obviously ended their

(13:45):
long drought and ultimately ended the Rangers long drought. Just
you know, a bullpen savant. And also, let's let's say
Bruce Bochie isn't the manager. Is Mike Maddox gonna come
work for the new guy? Maybe?

Speaker 6 (13:59):
Maybe?

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Maybe not, because I know Mike didn't want to retire,
but he wanted to be closer to home. And Chris
Young might have said, hey, we really need you. It
might have worked out, but I don't think it was
a sure thing. And so you know, it's pretty pretty interesting.
You know what would have happened? What would you know?

(14:20):
We talked about the flight from from Tampa to Seattle,
and you know, Bruce Bochi saying, hey, we got him
right where we want him. Everything's gonna be fine. Calm
never panicked, just went about it business as usual. And
then you saw what happened. They won the two games
in Tampa, went to Baltimore, won the two games and
ended up winning the one game here, and then went

(14:41):
to Houston and won the two games. Did Bruce Bochie
set that tone?

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Yeah, he may well have. I honestly, when they hired him,
didn't think the team was good enough for even his
magic to work in the first year. And it did. Yeah,
it absolutely did. So pretty cool. Glad he decided to
not stay retired at that point. More coming up as
we run through our list of top ten, we've worked

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ten what ifs in Rangers history, we've run through three
of them. There's three more coming in this segment, and
we start with number seven, which is what if Josh
Hamilton would have honored the request to allow the Rangers

(17:46):
to match his offer when he went to the Angels
he was an all star free agent after the twelve season.
He agreed to a deal with the Angels during the
Rangers media holiday party. It's so true. Never forget the
look on John Daniel's face that day. And he was
a flop in Anaheim. He had a couple of lost

(18:08):
seasons to injury and so forth. But I think the
first failure of the Angels in that case, Jeff, was
the Rangers had someone with Josh pretty much twenty four
to seven on the road and kind of counted on
his wife to handle those duties and his family to
handle those duties when he was at home, and they

(18:29):
did okay. But the reality is Josh didn't have too
many missteps when he was with the rent A couple
notable ones, but for the most part, he stayed pretty
clean when he was with the Rangers and the Angels
decided not to do that at all.

Speaker 7 (18:44):
Yeah, you know a couple things about that. Ron Washington
was perfect for Josh Hamilton. Yeah, Wash just had away
with Josh. You know, Josh would come into his office,
I don't think I can play today. I didn't sleep
at all last night. Wash would say, you know what,
lay down on my couch, sleep for a couple hours.

(19:04):
I'll come back in. I'll get you in the lineup.
And Wash would always say to Josh, fifty percent of
you is better than one hundred percent of your backup.
And so Josh joh. It made Josh feel great, and
Josh would go in there and even if he went
over four, he affected the game because he was such
an amazing presence. And Mike's Soosha not the warm and

(19:27):
fuzzy type. No, he's the Angels manager. And that was
super old school. That was oil and oil and water.
Is that is that what it is?

Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (19:37):
Anyway, they didn't mix whatever it was, and uh so
that was an issue. They didn't care for Josh's accountability partner,
as the Rangers called it. They didn't like that idea.
Uh it just didn't work. And Josh was injured in
his first year diving into first base, broke his tore

(19:57):
up his thumb, fell well sh short of what he'd
done the year before when he hit forty two homers
for the Rangers. Fourteen another mediocre year. Then in that offseason,
he you know, admitted to having a relapse and had
had the shoulder injury, and like the Angels didn't give
him a locker at spring training, and it was just

(20:18):
a nasty, nasty time. And the good news is that,
you know, the Rangers ended up reacquiring him, and the
Angels ate the entire contract amazing five years, one hundred
and twenty five million. And you know, Josh did some
good things for the Rangers in fifteen. He did. He
really did. Now about the contract, you know, Josh had

(20:41):
told the Rangers and they had this agreement that come
to us with any offer you get, all right, So
Arty moreno flies into town at the time. I think
Josh was living in Westlake and Arty basically said We're
gonna this is your offer, take it or leave it.
If you don't take it, by the time I'm ready
to leave, it's off the table. And so Josh and

(21:03):
Katie Hamilton, who I'm sure I really liked the offer,
of course, said they agreed to take it. We had
visited a children's hospital that morning and in fort Worth,
and we were at the Omni Hotel in fort Worth
having having a media gathering media lunch, and the story

(21:25):
kind of popped up on Twitter and then all of
a sudden, John Daniels is out of the room and
it was a long hallway to the other end of
the of the building and you could just see Josh
or John Daniels absolutely fuming. He was pacing, so mad,
so mad, and we tried to talk to him afterwards,
you know, he gave us the time and he just

(21:47):
it really was hard for him to talk. Yeah, he
was so mad. And so two days later, maybe three
days later, they introduced Josh and Anaheim. I went to it,
did you. It was at Disney World in the ESPN
zone they had there, and you know, it was more
it was more of the Katie Hamilton show than it

(22:07):
was the Josh Hamilton show, you know, because I asked her.
Somebody asked what happened with the Rangers and and you know,
you said you'd give him a chance. And Katie said
something to the effect of, well, and at the time
the Beyonce song put a ring on it was a
big deal. She's like, well, it was like they were

(22:29):
we were dating the Rangers. They didn't put a ring
on it. Everybody's like, oh, she's great. Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
Anyway, topical reference, But.

Speaker 7 (22:40):
Josh Hamilton was in twenty ten the best player I've
ever seen play.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
Yeah, he was the most talented guy I've ever seen.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
He could do anything and everything. Yep. And he did
that year when he won the American League MVP. Yeah,
you talk about a fire in eleven, came back, did
had an okay year twelve, you know, the four homer game,
the forty two homers. Of course, there was drama along
the way that slumped. He slumped in July when when
Katie got mad at him, supposedly for chewing tobacco and

(23:10):
he was trying to pick tobacco and couldn't do it.
And the eyes late in the year when the writers
are collapsing, he has his blue eyes had to leave
the road trip because his eyes were bugging him. And
then you know, they ended up going to Oakland and
losing the three games. The famously or infamously loses the
fly ball and there was a seven run inning, yep,

(23:33):
and you know that that was that and and that
was the end of Josh Hamilton's best.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
One game, I know it one game in that series
that win the division wound up being wild card.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
Yeah, and then they and then Hamilton went over four
with two strikeouts on nine pitches in the wild card
in the Baltimore game against Joe Saunders. The soft throwing,
crafty lefty Darvish lost that game though we pitched well,
but yeah, so that was that was something else.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
Can you tell we're fired up about that one. We
don't have as much time now for these next two.
But the next one is what if Mark Cuban and
his consortium had won the auction instead of Ray Davis
and at the time, Nolan Ryan and all those guys, Cuban, Crane,
they lost a bidding to the Nolan Ryan group. Rangers

(24:29):
owners expanded the payroll and then Crane bought the Astros
and they've since won two World Series so maybe maybe
that wouldn't have been so bad, but it wasn't right
for the Rangers at the time.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
Jeff Well, you know, the public support was behind the
Nolan Ryan group because well Nolan Ryan, Yeah, Chuck Greenberg
was the guy who was leading the Groupsburgh put everybody together,
Ray Davis and Bob Simpson, and you know, right away
out of bankruptcy, the payroll doubled. You know, Chuck had

(25:04):
negotiated a wonderful TV deal with your friends. Fox was
going to pay them Rangers handsomely, and it did, and
they signed Adrian Beltray and you know, all that stuff
was cool, and they were good. Twelve and thirteen, they
were good, fourteen awful, fifteen sixteen good. But the payroll
started to get scaled back. They didn't make the big,

(25:27):
big expenditures. You know, you saw some shorter term deals,
one in two year deals for guys who might have
been over there over the hill a little bit at
the end of things. But and then Nolan was gone,
you know, right in the middle of thirteen after basically,

(25:48):
you know, depending on who you listen to, tiring of
John Daniels or telling Ray Davis it's me or him
and Ray Davis chose John Daniels, however you want to
look at it, and Nolan has only been back a
handful of times for ceremonial first pitches, and so that's
kind of disappointing. He did go to the Astros join
his son Red Jim Crane had bought the Astros and

(26:08):
hired Reid Ryan and and you know, and then you
wonder about the Cuban effect. You know, you talk about
how player friendly he is to the maps. You know,
if the the kick ass lockers, with the TVs and
the PlayStations and all of that, would players more free
agents have wanted to come to the Rangers. And how
would Mark Cuban have operated without a salary cap? Would

(26:29):
he have just been like, all right, let's sign him this,
that and the other. You know, I don't, I'm not sure,
but it would be. It's an interesting what if for sure, it.

Speaker 6 (26:37):
Really is, and it begs that does beg that question
because obviously Nolan would not have been a part of
that one'nny.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
Too that Cuban would have tried to keep him on.
But I don't know that Nolan and Cuban would have worked.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
Right now, That's the thing I think Nolan would have
let himself out the door, right because he was involved,
he had, you know, again from for most people, significant
money in in the Rangers ownership group at that point.
So and so I don't I don't think he would
have wanted to stick around and and be a part
of that. So all right, next up, we'll go quickly

(27:11):
through our next one, which is what if mark to
share a trade? The mark to share a trade had
never been made. Rangers offered an extension to him before
the deadline. He's, of course a Scott Boris client. Deal
with the Braves produced four big leaguers. Andrews Harrison belize
they were all all stars for top teams, including the Rangers.

(27:34):
So that is a pretty good one. And it's it's kismet.
It's fortunate that he didn't sign and that the Rangers
did with that. It's the best trade. It's the best
trade in Rangers history.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
It's the herschel Walker trade of their disfranchise and Cowboys. Yes,
and you know, it's interesting something that came up here.
When Elvis was was inducted into the Hall of Fame,
Michael Young said that the group of players there, you know,
veteran guys. They were good players, but they'd kind of
gotten stagnant. Yeah, and Elvis came in and brought energy.

(28:08):
Mark to Sharon and Ron Washington did not get along.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
Nope.

Speaker 7 (28:11):
So it might have gotten ugly there in two thousand
and eight when the Rangers opened so poorly, you know,
would Wash have lasted? Would Mark to Cherff been pushing
Ron Washington out the door? Obviously worked out for the best.
You know, Elvis was an All Star, were the best
Rangers Hall of Famer, Matt Harrison was a very very
valuable pitcher and if tally fellies Rookie of the Year

(28:31):
and ten All Star. I think in ten and eleven
we'll talk about him a little bit more here a
little bit, but this one, while, while the Cuban thing
might have worked out, okay, not trading Mark to Schera
would not have worked out.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Well.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
No, it would have gone the wrong way for the
Rangers because they got so much for it. And yet
on the same day, Michael Young on the Elvis Andrews
Day said, man, I was we were all like, whoa,
our guys, go on, you know, Texas our guy, And
at that point he was kind of one of the
more senior veterans on the team, even though he hadn't

(29:06):
yet reached free agency. This was a rebuild, and so anyway,
it's a very interesting what if. But I agree with Jeff.
I think that that what if would have gone the
wrong way for the Rangers. What if they hadn't traded
Mark to Sheerwell, who knows for how long they might
have languished, and who knows if there would have been
any chance to make it to the World Series two

(29:30):
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We get to that one as you can well imagine that,
but if a little later on in the program, we've
also got one that goes way back in history. I
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Speaker 6 (32:15):
All right, so we continue with our list. Now we're
down to the top four, and again we feel like
you probably have guessed already what number one is, but
there's a couple here that will hopefully surprise you as
we move toward that number one. What if in Texas
Rangers history and number four as we count backwards, is

(32:39):
what if the team had a better closer In nineteen
ninety six, Mike Henneman, he of the five seventy nine
era in the regular season, and on the down side,
the back nine, maybe the back three of his career.
It was his last name, it was his last year.
He's totally playing out the string. And and he was

(33:03):
the closer. Darren Oliver given a chance at Game three
to go complete Henneman blew the save and then Mike
Stanton took the loss in Game four. All of that
after the Rangers won Jeff Game one in New York.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
Right, and they really could have won Game two, It.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
Could have if it weren't for a blown say.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
And and you know, Jeff Russell was in his last
season and he was back with the Rangers, not closing.
He's in the Rangers Hall of Fame. So we can't
can't beat up Jeff Russell too bad. No, but I
think he did blow. He gave up a key run
late in that Game two. They ended up losing the
game just you know. But but Game three was the

(33:47):
big one because if if they had had John Wetland,
who was pitching for the Yankees at the time and
would move to the Rangers the next year, if they'd
had a John Wetland type, does does Darren Oliver even
start the ninth Inna r you know, and and does
Johnny Oates say we're going to our guy instead of saying, well,

(34:07):
Oliver's pitching pretty good, and well we know what we've
gotten down there. So maybe that's maybe that's kind of
the turning point of series. This a five game series.
Game three is always one of those turning point in games.
You know what if the Rangers are up, are up
to to one going to Game four.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
No doubt, and remember, you know, they they had done
their job. They won one of the two on the road, right,
they've effectively gotten home field advantage back at that point
and they and they couldn't maintain it. In fact, yeah,
they lost the rest of them. They lost three straight.
And the amazing thing is that they were they like

(34:46):
Jeff said, they were in position to win game two.
Mark McLamore has told me stories about how at the
beginning of that series in New York. He said, we
all had tremendous confidence, even though it was the Yankees,
and of course none of us knew then it was
a Yankees team that was about to become dynastic, exactly right,
but we didn't know that at the time. However, you know,

(35:10):
he Max says that Wang Gonzalez told those guys, hey,
you guys, get on my back. I will carry you.
And he did. He absolutely did it. Ain't bragging, Jeff,
if you can do it, and he did it. He's
that kind of guy. And and you know, Max still believes.
I think Josh Hamilton was the kind of guy that

(35:31):
could carry a team. To Wang Gonzalez was that guy
in a previous era.

Speaker 7 (35:36):
He was. You know, people who say, you know, RBIs
aren't important, don't tell that to Wan Gonzalez think I could.
That guy would get a run home no matter the situation.
And you know he hit the two homers in the
game in Game one, yep, also homered I think in
two and three, yep. I'm not mistaken. But anyway, from
a baseball perspective, what if the Rangers win that series? Right,

(35:58):
you know, because the Yankee he's fell behind two to
oho in the World Series to the Braves and came
back and that was kind of like the start. You know,
they won. They didn't win in ninety seven, but they
won ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand, that four and
five years damn near one at No. One. You know,
it's on a walkoff in the bottom of the ninth

(36:19):
Indian of Game seven. You know what, how would baseball
have changed the history of the game. You know, Joe
Tory doesn't have four World Series right, just just you
know kind of it's a it's a big what if
for the Rangers, obviously, and there's no guarantee that they're
gonna win the next series. No, but if the Yankees

(36:39):
get eliminated after the Yankees had turned to turned away
from from Buck Showalter to Joe Tory and and you
know the way they George sein Browner would run through managers.
You know, would Joe Tory have hung on very long
because they didn't win in ninety seven either, No, you know,
he probably.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
Wouldn't have made it so eight.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
So, right, what what happens to the Yankees if the
Rangers are able to have a shutdown guy who goes
out there and closes the dor and wins the series.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah, And amazingly, as Jeff mentioned, the Rangers obviously recognized
Doug Melvin was the general manager at that time, and
he recognized the need for a closer. So they went
out and got John Wetland from the Yankees because they
had a young guy up and coming called Mariano Rivera.

(37:31):
So that was probably gonna work up. Pretty worked out
for both teams that worked, it did, and it did
work out for the Rangers, did they. They didn't make
the playoffs in ninety seven either, but they made them
again in ninety eight, winning the division. And they made
them again in ninety nine. Yeah, winning the division.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
So John Wetland, despite his legal difficulties here of late,
remember he is in the Rangers Hall of Fame, he
is not sure he should be. I think he was
innocent though, right, yeah, guilty. These cards were dropped, so
let's make sure that's clear so we don't get sued.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
Yeah, okay, good, very good. So uh yeah, that ninety
sixteen was so much fun. Kevin Elster at shortstop right
with ninety some RBA, ninety nine RBI unbelievable and he
was hitting eighth or ninth in the batting will exactly
almost every day. So really a phenomenal season and h
one that nobody expected just a couple of years at

(38:29):
that point into the new ballpark in Arlington. So yeah,
that's a pretty good what if. Here's a really good
what if. What if David Clyde had been allowed to develop.
The first overall pick out of the of the nineteen
seventy three draft out of the Houston High School, eighteen

(38:50):
year old makes his major league debut only weeks later,
and his career was derailed by injuries only forty starts
for the Rangers. This is a big what if. Now.
Seventy three, Jeff is an era when pitchers and players

(39:11):
were not only in need of time to develop, but
in those days were given it right. But the Rangers
were not in a position to give David Clyde that
time to develop because why they were brand new to
town and they weren't selling any tickets. And the owner
at the time, Brad Short, said, Bob, Bob Short, thank you,

(39:32):
said damn, we need to put butts in the seats. Yeah,
let's bring the kid from Houston up. He had been
a phenom. You know how we are about high school
sports in this state, right, He had been a phenom
at the high school level. Strike everybody out just had
an unbelievable season, and they said, look, he's had this

(39:53):
great success in high school. Bring him up.

Speaker 7 (39:55):
Yeah, And by god, they did. It was three weeks,
i believe, in the day from from the draft, and man,
you know, and he pitched, Okay, he did, he did,
he really did. He came outside and he pitched all right. Now,
as I recall the it was the initial goal was

(40:17):
achieved because they had a great crowd. They did, if
I'm not mistaken. They delayed the start of the game
because people were still trying to get into Arlington Stadium.
And he went out and they faced the Twins and
he ended up as the winning pitcher in the game.
But yeah, you know, as things went along, it became

(40:39):
pretty clear that he wasn't ready. Injuries, Like we said,
he didn't pitch in for two seasons in the major leagues.
You know, he he was out of the majors in
seventy six and seventy seven. He ended up landing with
the Indians, where he had maybe his best season. I

(41:00):
guess twenty five starts, one hundred and fifty three, eight
and eleven. Just lasted one more year and was done.
And you know, David's still around. You still hear from
him on occasion, and we'll get emails about initiatives he's
working on and things like that. But you know, what
a what a And you know, for an organization that

(41:23):
a can't develop between that really has only had a
few guys you can be like, oh, hey, there you go,
and that's that's the key. It's it really is the key.
And for them to not be able to do that
and then is tr when he was on the couple
weeks ago the next year's first round or Bogs didn't

(41:44):
develop either. So it's like if those two he compared
them to the lighter and rocker, you know, and and
stress that the importance of the Rangers taking care of
those two guys this season. You know, what if those
two guys had developed, you know, and and and you
know one of ours that didn't make the list, what
if Billy Martin had stayed around? Yeah, well, you know what,

(42:04):
Billy what what? What could he have done? What would it?
Would he would he have had a different view of Clyde?
Would it would he have asserted his opinion? And would
would Bob Short have listened at the time? I don't know,
but uh, it is a heck of a what if?
And you know it's it's it's a great question in

(42:26):
Rangers history.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
Yeah, my heart kind of bleeds for the kid, David
Clyde as it were obviously he's a grown man now.
But the kid David Clyde thrown into a situation, and
who knows, the injuries may have caught up to him.
Even if he'd gone through the minor leagues and hell
as quickly as he ended up hurt, maybe he would
have never even made it to the major leagues, right,

(42:48):
because the injury bugaboo would have gotten him sooner. So,
you know, we can't. It would be revisionist history to
try and figure that out, and we can't. But I
do know this. I think if he'd have time to
develop at the minor league level, he might well have
been We don't. We didn't know as much about development

(43:09):
then as we do now, right, and so we relied
more on talent, and this kid had talent.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
One other thing that that could be a what if?
What if the Rangers hadn't fired Whitey Herzog right and
replace him with Billy Martin. Whitey Herzog's in the Hall
of Fame as a manager, and Whitey Herzog believed in
player development. That's one thing that Whitey Herzog was a
player development guy. What if he's the manager in seventy

(43:37):
three and they're like, hey, We're gonna put clyin in
the rotation. He's like, nah, nope, you know, to send
him to the minor leagues and getting it right. So
that's another another sort of a wrinkle sidebar.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
What if among the what if David Clyde had been
allowed to develop? But anyway he was not, and you know,
history was not was not very kind to the decison
vision making by the Rangers organization in that case.

Speaker 7 (44:04):
I guess, I guess that Whitey would have been the manager. Right.

Speaker 6 (44:08):
Seventy two was their first year, right, and that was
higher at the end of seventy three and then and
Whitey only had a few he was only.

Speaker 7 (44:14):
There for a year. He didn't even finish the full
season and finished that So obviously they didn't value Whitey
hears out.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
No, I didn't value his opinion. Now, if he'd had
all the success he'd had in Saint Louis and then
come to the Texas team, he might they might have
respected it more. But as it was, they needed to
put butts in the seats. And you know what they say,
follow the almighty dollar, Jeff, and at that point that
was that was what they did. Uh, And maybe at

(44:40):
the peril and maybe expense of David Clyde's arm. So anyway,
that's that. We've got two more coming up as we
continue along towards number one on our what Ifs You
probably know it, but can you guess number two? They're
both coming up next on the DS Range podcast.

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Speaker 6 (47:47):
It's great idea. We are counting down the top ten.
We've made it through eight, which means there are only
two more what ifs left. As we've said all so long,
I'm pretty sure you know number one, but let's and
number one might have a ancillary part to it that
you may not have guessed. But let's get to number two.
That's where we are now. What if the two thousand

(48:09):
and eleven rotation had stayed healthy in ensuing seasons. Lewis, Holland, Harrison,
and Ogondo were all injured after the World Series run. CJ.
Wilson left via free agency. The twelve and thirteen teams
came up short, although in fairness, despite the injuries in twelve, Jeff,

(48:34):
that team right up until the end was as good
as maybe any of the three.

Speaker 7 (48:40):
Yeah, and a couple what ifs from that season. What
if the Rangers the American League, wins the All Star Game, right,
what if CJ. Wilson doesn't give up a free and
homer to Prince Fielder that basically changed the game and
the Rangers have home field advantage. I remember there was
a stretch of time here in baseball where the winner,

(49:02):
the winning league, that the winning league of the All
Star Game, whichever that that they're representative in the World
Series had the home field advantage so it was decided
in July, what if the Rangers had had home field
advantage for the twenty eleven World Series. All right, so
the rotation CJ. Wilson, Koby Lewis, Derek Collin, Matt Harrison,

(49:24):
Alexi Ogondo, great rotation, best in club history. I would say,
never went on the disabled list. Oh the eleven eleven
eleven rotation never went on the disabled One missed the start, right,
I do think Matt Harrison missed one start because he
had a kidney stone, and if I'm not mistaken, Dave Bush,

(49:47):
who now works for the team, made the spot start.
So anyway, but none of them went on the il Okay,
that's pretty spectacular, amazing, and you look at the inning
sotal CJ. Will In two hundred and twenty three, Colby
got to two hundred, Holland close one ninety eight, Mad
Harrison one eighty five, Ogondo, who had been a reliever,

(50:10):
one sixty nine. All right, so they get to the
World Series and they're they're on fumes. Anyway, they still
are doing enough to win the World Series, and of
course they don't foreshadowing next year.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
Great team.

Speaker 7 (50:28):
CJ's gone because he went to the Angels took their money,
but he got replaced by game a guy named you Darvish.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
Yeah, he's a pretty good one.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
He had some bumps that rookie year. But this rotation's,
you know, not bad. Coming out of the All Star
breaking twelve Colby Lewis injures his elbow, his flexor tendon goes,
and that spot in the rotation did not win a
game the rest of the season, which is staggering. You know,

(50:55):
Scott Feldman was in there. The Rangers went and acquired
Ryan Dempster. Lewis's healthy, do the Rangers go get Ryan Dempster?
I don't know. Do you know who was traded for.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
Part of the Ryan Dempster trade, Kyle Hendricks. Kyle Hendricks, Boy,
he's great with Chicago. He's fading now and fading nowy starter.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
For the Rangers to have around. Yeah later on? All right,
so you you you know what happens the Rangers we
talked about with Hamilton. They lose at the end of
the season, blow this lead in the West, fall into
a wild card spot. They are the best team in baseball.
I think everybody agreed with that. Until the last eight
games of the season. The season's over. Could put thirteen

(51:41):
a lot of these guys are back. Ogondo though, because
he'd been yo yoed between the rotation and the bullpen,
starts to get hurt, starts feeling some injuries. He also
hurts himself in an an interleague game at San Francisco,
pulls a hamstring. Darvish is really good, all right? Uh yeah,
by thirteen he figured it out. Yeah yeah, but but

(52:03):
that rotation just just wasn't quite the same because because
Colby wasn't as good as as he's been, he didn't
pitch at all in thirteen and and so because he
also had a hip injury at the time. So you know,
Colby's falling apart, Ogondo not not a full season, Harrison's
coming to his own. And then then Holland gets hurt

(52:29):
in the off season. What what happened down his dog?
I heard what happened, Well, only Derek and the late
Wrigley know. But the fact of the matter is he
wasn't around now. Now, fourteen was a disaster. It was
train wreck. Nobody, nobody would have would have helped the Rangers.

(52:51):
You know, Sandy Cofactx and Randy Johnson and Greg Maddox
and Pedro Martinez wouldn't have been able to help the
Rangers because they were so depleted off defensively. But you know,
it didn't help that a young a young fella named
Derek Holland was not healthy, right, and he was a young,

(53:12):
up and coming guy. Everybody loved him, and you know,
after that, after that thirteen season, well it was just trouble.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
It was fourteen the year that they were trying to
They started on the road and they were trying to
save Derek to start the opening the home opener, and
between the start of the season and the home opener
he got hurt or it became clear that he was hurt.

Speaker 7 (53:38):
Okay, I'm trying to put that was that was fifteen
fifteen fifteen, Yeah, if I am not mistaken, that was fifteen.
It was a shoulder injury, a sub scapelaius. He came
out in the first inning and was thrown like eighty five. Yeah,
this fastball, and they're like, oh, we think something might
be wrong with that. They were right, yeah. And so anyway,

(54:03):
the point being this rotation, had the Rangers had it
to you know, a semblance of it, and had these
guys not started getting hurt in twelve and in thirteen
when they lost a time breaker to get into the postseason. Right,
you know, this is a team that was theoretically bidding
for four straight World Series appearances, and in twelve everybody

(54:25):
thought they were gonna win it. They did and all
season long, and then it just it just didn't happen.
And these injuries turned out to be one of the
one of the biggest overlooked things, I think in the
history of the franchise. If this rotation stays together, what happens.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
And so.

Speaker 7 (54:46):
You never you know, that's just a giant what if?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
That is?

Speaker 6 (54:49):
What if? And now our number one? What if you
guessed it? What if Nelson Cruz makes the catch and
sidebar to that slash, the bullpen doesn't fold. Rangers were
one strike away from their first World Series Twice. David

(55:09):
freese two outline drive to write turned into a game
tying triple. Neftali Felies melted down, Scott Feldman lost the
lead in the tenth after Josh Hamilton had regained it
for the Rangers, and oh my gosh, it is the
bane of so many Rangers fans existed.

Speaker 7 (55:31):
Yeah, it still stings, even in light of the World
Series in twenty twenty. It does the first one in
club history. As we've spoken about earlier, unexpected, wonderful celebration triumph.
You know, the city was so the area embraced it
and loved it and just it was great and it

(55:51):
was fun to be a witness too. Yes, I was
a witness to Game of six as well. Yeah, and
that one wasn't as fun. Uh. You know, the Rangers
went ahead, they were leading seven to four going into
the eighth inning. Uh, the Rangers brought in Derek Holland,
and it was seven to three, and they brought in

(56:14):
Derek Holland, who had pitched well obviously in Game five.
He gives up a home run to Alan Craig to
run homer and it makes the score, uh seven, five
to five. So it was seven to four, and it
became seven to five.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
And so.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
Then then Neftally comes in and he's not on top
of his game all right, but he gets to the
point where there's two outs and well, you know, David
Freeze hits the line drive and by golly goes right
over Nelly's head for for a resounding triple game tied

(56:54):
Bush Stadium going crazy Tonio Russa depleted his entire bench.
If Tally gets the third out, which is important, obviously
very important, because the go ahead run was a third
bay and the winning run was at third base, and
and so they catch their breath. Saint Louis brings in
their closer, Jason Mott Josh Hamilton to run Homer uh

(57:17):
and and everything's going just great, and they're like, okaypht Tally,
Felise makes sense for him to go back out. Apparently,
niph Tally. And this was never really reported or or
shown on the television in real time. If Tally was
an emotional wreck. Apparently he was. He was just, you know,

(57:40):
devastated by the performance. And so ron Washing was like
we and Mike Maddocks too are like, well, we can't
go to him, he's not ready to pitch. And so
they ended up playing the matchup game with Darren Oliver
because Cardinals were out of pinch hitters right and they
had to go with two lefties. And then the pitcher,

(58:00):
let's open the tenth inn and both lefties reached Kyle Loche,
Kyle los Kyle Losch, who later became a ranger for
a brief time bunted. Uh, so you know the two
the two runners are now in scoring position. Scott Feldman
comes in, gets an out, all right, well, Lance Berkman

(58:22):
versus Scott Feldman gets to two strikes again and face hit.
Marcolo blows it in the in the I believe the
twelfth and that's that's Game six for you. A couple
of things. Nelson Cruz has since said that he moved himself.
He moved in because he wanted to be able to

(58:43):
throw the runner out at home. He did not stayed back.
The Rangers had him playing deep no doubles and it
didn't happen. He moved in on his own. So people
who complain about Ron Washington and Gary Pettis, who's the
outfield coach not subbing out Nelson Cruz for indie chats? Yeah,

(59:04):
you know that that's kind of your answer there. This
is this was something that Nelly did on his own,
and we love Nelly. Nelly. Nelly is a great human.

Speaker 6 (59:14):
It was a phenomenal career of a player.

Speaker 7 (59:16):
Yeah, and a success of developments of sex success story,
late development, never known. These guys are gonna bloom. He
just made a bad choice there and it ended up
costing the Rangers in the World Series.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
Yeah, none of us want to be remembered for our
worst mistake ever. So that's one answer to the what
if too. If Nelly had in fact caught that ball,
obviously the Rangers would have won the World Series, but
he wouldn't be sort of. I mean, I couldn't believe
he was booed when his image appeared at the Elvis
Andrews Hall of Fame induction ceremony. I mean, the guy

(59:48):
had a great career in baseball and his time here
was great.

Speaker 7 (59:52):
It was, and you know, he did it did end,
you know, with the biogenesis situation, and it would have
been real handy to have him down the stretch there
in thirteen. But you know, we we Nelly really should
have been resigned. That's another what if? What if they
had resigned nell?

Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
Amy?

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
Yeah, I finished with more than four yea, with all
the home runs he hits that three left here, Yeah,
so uh, you know, and and you know, another what
if about Game six? What if it the it hadn't
been delayed by rain the day before back of a point,
you know, And and that really is more of a
what if about Game seven? That's right, because carts were
able to go with Chris Carpenter and so anyway, just

(01:00:32):
so much, you know, and it's it's a one I'll
never forget and and yeah, it just.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
It stings.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
But but but twenty twenty three, let's start to move on.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
True, but it still stings to this day, especially when
you go back and relive it, as we have done
to kind of remind ourselves watching highlights and video and yeah,
it's still uh, it still hurts a little bit. But anyway,
that is our ten what ifs. We hope you've enjoyed
them as much as we've enjoyed bringing them to you.
Don't forget. Tomorrow night you can catch the MAVs what

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