November 8, 2025 • 48 mins
In this week’s episode of Home in Progress, host Dan Hansen is joined by designer Andy Yates to unpack the biggest ideas and innovations from this year’s Kitchen & Bath Industry Show (KBIS 2025).Even though Andy didn’t make it to Las Vegas in person, he’s got a sharp eye on what’s next in home design—from tech-integrated kitchens to sustainable materials, personalized design choices, and the return of natural warmth and texture in both kitchens and baths. Together, Dan and Andy explore how these trends are shaping the spaces where we cook, gather, and recharge—and why wellness, functionality, and longevity are at the heart of good design.Later in the show, Dan tackles a listener question: Is it too late to paint outside this fall? His answer might surprise you—along with some practical tips and product advice for getting the job done before winter hits.Episode Timeline00:00 – Welcome and Show Overview00:15 – KBIS 2025: The Year’s Biggest Design Themes00:49 – Why Kitchens and Baths Matter Most04:34 – Smarter Homes: Where Tech Meets Design14:01 – Sustainability with Style23:43 – Bringing Smart Features to Everyday Life24:56 – Balancing Privacy and Convenience27:05 – The Rise of Personalization in Design30:23 – Investing in Quality and Longevity32:54 – Designing for Daily Joy and Wellness35:53 – The Power of Functional Spaces41:48 – Listener Question: Late Fall Painting Tips47:29 – Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey everyone, thanks for tuning in. You're listening to Home
in Progress sponsored by repcoll Like Paints and Benjamin More.
And today I've got a really interesting show that I
put together back in February. We're just going to jump
right in because there's a lot of stuff to cover.
Back in February, the Kitchen and bath Industry show CABIZ
took over Las Vegas with some of the biggest names
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in design and innovation. More than forty three thousand people
came through nearly seven hundred exhibitors, and it was all
part of Design and Construction Week, which drew in over
one hundred and twenty four thousand visitors total. Now I
wasn't there, but my guest was, designer Andy Yates is
here in the studio to help us unpack what he
saw at CABIZ twenty twenty five. Andy, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Thank you, Dan. It is great to be back. I
appreciate the chance to talk about one of the largest
market segments in the interiors and homer modeling industry, which
is kitchens and bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, so paint the scene for us. You know, what
was it like being at something like that at CABIZ
this year? You know the size, the energy, the atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So I do need to correct you and state that
I was not able to attend this year. Actually correct,
I was not able to make it to Vegas in
the winter. I was in Mexico, unfortunately. I was on
the beach in Puerto Varta.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, is there somebody that we can talk to who
was there?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I can give you fake it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
All of the Yeah, okay, perfect, Andy's gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Fake it, or you can just edit it out that
I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
No, I think that's hilarious. I'm not going to edit
that out. We live, We live honestly, Annie, Andy, Annie, Yeah, Andy,
and I make a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Lot of mistakes authentic.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I'm willing to own that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I will say that the early bird ticketing for twenty
twenty six cabiz actually has been extended through October, and
I'm looking at the dates thinking I will go to
Vegas this winter.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
All right, so you can make the next one.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes, yes, But I keep my face on the pulse
of what's happening because it is such an important part
of my business specifically, but also the business of home
in general. Like I mentioned, a multi billion dollar industry
that really does precipitate into every human's life. It's everyone eats,
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everybody poops, right, Everyone has a bathroom, Everyone has a
kitchen essentially most people or access to one that they use, right. Plus,
these are very critical spaces in the home. Generally speaking,
when you're not sleeping, the first place you are in
the last place you are in your home is in
a bathroom, and most, if not all, meals are prepared
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and eaten in and around a kitchen. So no matter
the size of those spaces, they are very critical to
the way we live and the way we function, especially
because they are spaces so specifically based on human function.
Like we take in, we put out. These are where
we store food, which we need to survive. There's spaces
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in our homes where that provide us with water and sanitation.
So it's extremely important spaces and we've always known this,
right the adage in real estate, like kitchens and bathrooms
sell houses because they're expensive also to renovate because they
layer in every trade. Your plumbers, your electricians, your carpenters,
your tile setters. You know you've got dry wallers. You
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have products that blend water and electricity. So there's safety
issues that really don't exist in a place like your
den where you chill out or you know, your bedroom
where you essentially sleep and maybe get dressed. So cabiz
is always a very exciting opportunity to see what these
industry behemoths like you said, Delta, Breezo, mow In, Cohler, Toto,
(03:55):
and the kitchen side right like Wolf, sub Zero, Fisher,
pikele thermidor all of the appliance brands from you know, Whirlpool,
which we have locally here in Michigan, up to like
the international exhibitors right which there were a couple of
hundred that came from international markets this year. It is
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a show that both intends to wow with a lot
of flashy, you know, marketing propaganda, so you'll see things
that you would see only at a convention like that
that necessarily might not trickle down into daily living. Sure,
but the show really this year was about sustainability, functionality, technology,
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and personalization. So we saw all of these confluences happening
from every vendor, from every product launch and every experiential
launch there I guess too, we'll talk about it. But Cohler,
who is you know, based here in the Midwest, a
global juggernaut in this industry. They had an extremely engaging
(05:10):
and interesting booth this year, and I think it was
rated as the top experience for almost all show goers.
So they really brought it home. And the reason being
is that they really kind of hit all of the
trends and the influences of the industry. So they had technology. Right,
(05:35):
These are voice activated showers and toilets, things that are
enabled with Wi Fi and Bluetooth.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So you voice activated shower and toilet. Yeah, like, oh,
turn on, now I want the water whatever degrees, flush
the toilet and now what am I talking to my
toilet for? Right?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Smart technology?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But why am I future my toilet? What am I saying?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So you're essential therapist.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
A busy day today it's been maybe you know how
I'm going to get through it?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know, with the advent of AI and these language
models that people are using as friends and therapists, have
a seat and talk to your shower about your problems.
It's cathartic and maybe healing in some way. You know,
those spaces where we rejuvenate and regenerate. And so with
like smart toilet technology, it's able to tell you first
(06:25):
of all, keeping track of the mechanics of let's say
you're plumbing fixtures to see if anything's wrong, monitoring water pressure,
why toilet's doing that temperature. Yeah, so these smart toilets
would inevitably be able to tell you if there's a
leak in the tank. These toilets are also the technology
(06:45):
in a toilet is a little different because it's more
about the functionality of having a heated seat, having a
toilet that's sanitized with UV light every night, having you know,
bidet functions for cleanliness, having the ability to you know,
not have to touch it. So auto seat lifting, auto flushing.
(07:06):
We saw this in you know, a lot of shower
technology released from companies where you can in the morning
preset your shower to come on at the exact time
you want, at the exact temperature. If you need to
jump into the shower quickly, you can tell your phone
as you're driving home. You know, hey, phone, I won't
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say the names a our phones don't talk to us.
You can say like, hey, smart intelligence, turn on the
shower for Dan or you know, spouse, a spouse, b
run a bath for the kids. Right, All of these
ways in which having these fixtures and appliances in the
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kitchen at our disposal immediately to help us run and
organize our lives. Most of these companies would say better,
more efficiently, easier, less stressful. Right, what technology is is
supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So the colar booth was just name so.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That coler booth. They really nailed it, and they weren't
the only ones by any means, but I will say
they to sort of use it as a microcosm of
what's happening, so they really hit all of the themes. Right.
They have that integration of a lot of smart technology,
and again so do all of the others. Toto, Breezo,
the major appliance brands on the kitchen side right are
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having your refrigerator monitor your temperature in all of the zones.
Refrigerators with cameras are introduced.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Welmra's showing the inside. Yes, I can see what's inside
without opening the door or.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Is it correct? Correct? You can see how much of
a certain ingredient or produce or beverage you have without
opening the refrigerator. It will not only monitor the temperature
of all of your zones, but you know it would
visually see if you are like getting low on something.
(09:05):
It can tell you it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Some of the refrigeration systems. Similarly with cooking systems, I
think there was an I don't remember the exact brand. Unfortunately,
one manufacturer had placed a camera in the oven, so
you don't have to have a glass door, you don't
have to crouch down. If it's under counter, you don't
have to open it to look at the temperature of.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Your recliner and check the fohone I'm assuming.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Put the cast roll in, stick the thermometer in it,
and walk away. Your oven will tell you. You can
check in on it at any time. You can see
if it's bubbling and ready to go. You know, if
you want to set the timer for a couple of
more minutes, you don't have to get up. You don't
have to stop what you're doing. You can Netflix and
chill and let your dinner bake itself. Essentially.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So there's a lot of integral technology, which was huge
this year, But that real big picture of everything was
like we see technology and much like we've discussed recently
for this Colors of the Year palette, we also saw
a lot of shift toward warm, rich natural colors like
(10:19):
the color of the year for twenty twenty five is
slash wiz is until they announce it on October sixteenth,
if that hasn't already happened when we air this episode
Cinnamon Slate, Right, But the idea of a lot of
the colors and materials released at cabiz where that they
were natural copper making a huge comeback, but natural earthy materials,
(10:45):
white and gray kitchens, the grayness of stainless steel, the
stark whiteness of sterile kind of cabinetry and appliances is
gone gone. It's gone. Color has reintroduced a lot of
the colors toilets and sinks from like the forties and fifties, so.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I know they did that a couple of years ago. Yeah,
and I think last year they added.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And they're expanding that, right, So we've seen that sort
of initial reaction to what designers were craving, which I've
long been personally, like coordinating plumbing fixtures with the color
palette of the house. So sometimes white is the right
toye for a toilet, sometimes bone, sometimes beige, sometimes black,
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although rarely I'm not a fan personally, but if it works,
it works, And it's the same with fixtures. So we
saw these metal finishes in the last few years shift
toward more blacks, gun metals, right, a kind of darker,
more masculine palette. Well this year now it's like back
to warm bronzes, warm golds, warm coppers, oak, kitchen cabinets,
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oak as a natural expression of the species and sort
of naturally stained like honey oak, old oak. We see
that resurgeon that's resurging.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, absolutely, and I knew I kept mine just as
they were, Yeah, for a good reason.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, we saw that in these just really rich earthy
tones and then natural expressions of tones, so like dramatic marbles,
not your sort of soft curated carreras with a lot
of like gray and white. We see the addition of
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more leather and different kind of like mixed materials. So
there's wonderful hardware collections from companies like Belt with Keeler,
who's another local company that I personally enjoy using, but
even you know, the largest ones like m Tech and
Colonial Bronze Ashley Norton. So we see a lot more
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of these resurgence of people's interest in wood hardware, hardware
with leather and tech styles, mixed metals again, going into
those really warm, earthier tones, and we see that in
some of the reflections of colors and textures again like
thinking about adding textures to areas. Specifically, fluting was all
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over the place, which has been happening for a couple
of years now, but really you saw fluting everywhere. So
readed cabinet doors, fluted cabinet doors, fluted panels all over
the place, and colors that were, like I said, earthy,
but also jewel tones. Again maybe for the show in general,
(13:41):
but jewel tones are kind of classically never going out
of style. They are rich, they are elegant, and they
work right in with those warm, natural, earthy palettes. So
you saw a lot of rubies and garnets and emeralds.
That was essentially the trend of color and material.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, Andy, you mentioned a couple of broad themes that
you saw in the show. You mentioned sustainability. I can't
remember the other ones that you talked about, but what
were some of the broader themes that you spotted.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So the overall themes were really about personalization of spaces, sustainability,
and an emphasis on quality. So we see that the
industry is looking at being more sustainable and focusing less
on the idea of fast fill in the blank. So
(14:37):
we have like fast food, fast fashion. It's sort of
like fast interiors, things that are more inexpensively made and
they're meant to essentially rotate out of your home within
three to five years. It's kind of the hospitality model, right,
like a hotel generally wants to renovate every three to
(15:02):
five years to sort of just stay fresh. Plus they
get a lot of wear and tear they ultimately need to.
But in the home, we see more people, especially younger people,
wanting to save their money and invest in high quality
products and then understand that they will have longevity and
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they will last, and then splurge on items that are
really important to them. So instead of rushing through, we
see homeowners builders to some extent as well, looking toward
investing in higher quality materials and splurging where they know
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it's worth it. So we're talking about larger rois. Right,
If you don't cook, why have a ten thousand dollars range? Really,
why you know to boil? You can do that as
easily can do.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That on a real cheap one.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I do it every now, and a very inexpensive basic
range right, Yeah, the home chef trend will always exist
because there are foodies and cooks and people who are
avidly dedicated and loyal to brands, and it's very important
for them to understand the intricacies of their appliances and
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that they do what they need to do. But that
plays into the trend, which I won't even say is
a trend. I think it's just a return to the
idea of personalization, buying what you want for how you
actually live, and not becoming susceptible to marketing peer pressure, right,
(16:45):
and consumer peer pressure, like the idea that you must
have maybe what your neighbor has or your friend has.
And again I say this especially in younger consumers who
are less inclined to want to invest in their first
home or their first major kitchen or bath renovation using
(17:09):
budget as the driving factor. So that's what we talk
about in kind of that save and splurge idea. It's like, yeah,
I want the shower with all of the tech and
with all of the amenities that were so popular this year.
On another trend like health and wellness, Like you're not
just sanitation for health and wellness, but these showers and
(17:31):
these baths that give you chroma therapy, aroma therapy, water,
different hydrotherapies. Food as nutrition, right, and we always say
food is love, right. It's the way that many people
express their love for their families and friends and guests.
And cooking is more than just preparing food as fuel.
(17:55):
And so there's a real emphasis on wellness and how
to properly preserve food and again in that so all
of that is coming out that that's wellness nutrition. The
emphasis that we have now on like fresher food, you know,
farm to table, well, we have to think about food
without a lot of preservatives does not stay preserved as long.
(18:18):
So the refrigeration of it, the storage of it, how
are companies innovating to make me eat that demand? And
then how is that food prepared on your range in
your oven. People love multifunctional appliances. So having just renovated
my kitchen last year, I am lucky enough to have
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a relationship locally with Beacons and I worked with Fisher
pikel for all of my appliances. And I have what
one could say generically as a microwave, but ultimately they
call it a speed oven and it has twenty seven
different cooking settings. It convects at microwave cooks, it aerobakes,
So you have one applys that can replace four to
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five small appliances. I have an oven similarly right that
is also a smart oven, an induction cook top that
has the ability to be like not only a safer
way to cook, but very specifically the refrigerator right with
different zones and temperature settings. And all of this was
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seen as a trend in home appliances. Right personalization, a
return to wellness, creating fresh foods, cooking fresh foods, storing
food properly. That was very important and it aligns with
our return to nature, natural color palette, natural materials, and
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biophilic design. People wanting to be able to grow their
own food at home. There was a whole section of
caps for like hydroponics and people growing food. Let's say
growing whatever they want, but we'll say herbs plants that
are edible. There was an emphasis on that too, and
people wanting to introduce microgreens into their diets. So we
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see not only the storage and preparation of food, but
the actual creation of food or a family event.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Absolutely, And these showers that have all of these spa Yeah,
paramedical features really.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Important, like the bathrooms a spa now.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Absolutely and it always has trended that way. I mean
that's sort of the established way of you know, the
luxury market, and what we see available now more readily
to homeowners at a better price point honestly or save
in splurge price point is the shower that can can
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give you steam and can give you water massages, and
it really is a space to be well. Again, we've
talked about how chaotic and uncertain the world seems to
be right now, and everybody's inundated with messaging and marketing
and social media and you're always available on your phone
and people are working from home, but really that just
means they're kind of working more and they don't have
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a space to retreat. Bathrooms are quintessentially spaces of you know, rejuvenation,
relaxation and wellness in general. It's like cleanse your body,
you know, cleanse your mind. And in the kitchen we
see that in people reconnecting with their family and loved
ones and just getting their hands dirty creating something right. Yes,
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there's technology there, but it's being used as a tool
to enhance that for individuals rather than sort of to
be distracting and to try to sell you something.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So when you're talking, what I'm hearing is like cash
register bells going off because this just sounds so expensive. Now,
I know you mentioned this idea of save and splurts
and makes a lot of sense. You know, I'll buy
the important, the things that really matter to me. I'm
gonna splurge on those things. I'll save money on some
of these other things. So help me, help me just
(22:12):
practically think that through in a bathroom. You know, let's
say the shower is that item for me, so you're
seeing people or you can envision. Have I have I
broken the set? It almost feels like, Okay, the shower talks,
the toilets could talk, the sinks could do whatever, and
that's like a nice little set. Can I get a
(22:32):
toilet that's stupid and a shower that's super smart and
they're not gonna it's not gonna look weird, feel weird.
Everything's gonna work together. I'm trying to understand, how can
I get, like, maybe a better thing would be the toilet,
because I know a toilet that does all these things
is really really fancy looking. They don't look like a
normal toilet. The ones I've seen they can be. Yeah,
(22:54):
they can look like a normal toilet, right you.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So any homeowner right now can purchase bidet seat to
replace the seat they have on their current toilet. Now
you need the right the parameter being you need to
have the electricity sure properly installed, and it is. There's
two types. You would want. One that has an integrated
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heater for the water for the bidet function, unless you're
okay with a cold water bidet which is refreshing and refreshing.
But you know, toilets don't have hot water lines, so
you can you can buy bidet seats that are i
think just water pressure fed and attach it to your
toilet's supply line. Pretty basic stuff, Pretty basic and just upgrade.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You can, for example, take remove your current kitchen faucet
and put in a faucet that is bluetooth activated, voice activated,
touchless for relatively you know, a low investment, but to
have that amenity if you want to mix and match,
of course, there are still lots of options to have
(24:09):
I would say, like unsmart appliances or unsmart rather rather
like dumb. But let's say like mechanical, right, or basic
in the way that I know some people want to
live like some some individuals.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Right recoil at the idea.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I don't want a camera in my refrigerator. I don't
want a camera in my house, right, I don't need
my shower listening to me. I understand that. And not
everybody wants the shower that has artificial intelligence built into
it with you know, music and steam and aromatherapy and massage.
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They'd rather, you know, experience that elsewhere, or they would
like to have those features, but without the smart technology,
which is an opt in choice. You can disable it
on any of these items, you know, And that's I
think really important too, because there is a balance of
(25:08):
privacy and just convenience, right of like understanding how much
you have to manage on your phone, like all my appliances,
all of my plumbing fixtures, my house HVAC systems, it
starts my ring doorbell, my kids' phones, my car, like
it will actually add more chaos to a world in
which most people are again contracting and trying to simplify
(25:32):
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Now, So do you see a lot of people snagging
these things up? I mean, are they cool? At a show?
I think you kind of mentioned that there's aspects of
the show that it's for the show.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Right, there's the glitz and glamour and the marketing pizzazz.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Do you see a lot of people snagging these things up?
The toilet thing makes sense to me. I understand that
I've stayed at an Airbnb where they had something like that. Right,
I didn't leave the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It's once you marveled at the toilet, once you have
of a heated toilet seat, I say, right, it's you
never go back, You never go back. It's it's kind
of like the things that become expensive luxuries. Things that
are expensive luxuries, and they were maybe ten twenty years ago,
are now common.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
We are living in a very privileged time where we
have the means and technology to give these luxury amenities
to almost everyone, right at a comfortable mid price point.
So when you look at how it's kind of integrated
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into daily life. As you said, so from a practical perspective,
these products are researched and developed with substantial investment from
these companies over years. Actually, so they are popular. They
are more popular among some market segments, right because they
(27:01):
might be, but ultimately I am seeing so many people
more interested in imbuing their plumbing fixtures in the bathroom
with color, and imbuing these spaces where we do spend
so much time that are so critical with this technology,
(27:21):
with these features, they are willing to splurge on items
that really matter to them. And the reason being is
some of the uncertainty in the global markets, in finance,
in the world in general has kept people a little
more aware, especially since the pandemic of what home means
(27:45):
and how to be planted and really deeply invested in
where you are so less nomadic kind of transient lifestyles.
We're seeing people plant themselves their forecasting for longevity in
their homes and they're going to invest significantly in what
(28:07):
matters to them right, instead of thinking of like fast flip,
what is the next This is one of the things
that something that has always infuriated me in my business,
where I will meet with a potential client and we
will be reviewing their spaces. We're taking a home tour
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and a comment will be made about resale value, right,
And my thought has always been intrinsically, if you're thinking
about who the next person living here is, you're not
truly living here. If you're worried about having a space
that's overly personalized because of resale value, I would question
(28:55):
the motivation behind that, because the real estate industry, especially
since it's been you know, it was growing before the recession,
but then it started to grow again because it started
at a much lower point. I mean, there is a
force behind pushing people to have bigger and better homes. Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade.
(29:17):
And if the idea is not to settle in and
remodel what you have now and make it yours, it
is like always look for the next big thing, right,
And that pressure that we feel, which I think is
just like not to be too philosophical about it, right,
but sort of like the idea of this, like in
stage capitalism, it's like bigger, better, more and more and more.
(29:41):
We saw that with monster houses, houses that have become
commonplace in neighborhoods that are ten, twelve, fourteen thousand square feet.
The contraction that I'm talking about right from that excess
is having people in their homes not thinking about resale,
not thinking about what's next, what's next, but actually being
(30:01):
present yea and saying I want to personalize this space,
for me and my family, because I'm willing to invest
in that, and I'm not worried about the next person
who may or may not own this house, because someone
a buyer, will love it, and if they don't, they'll
(30:21):
do exactly what I did. They'll personalize this space in
their own way. And that is a force in interiors
right now. That is in all of the color trends
we see all of the kitchen and bath industry products
and innovations. Like, the concept of designing for someone else
(30:46):
is almost so passe right now, it's offensive. I would
say to some people write like.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I like that. I think that's great. You know, design
for us, you know, pick things that you like rather
than because we'll talk to people about colors and it's
the same thing. You know, they want a color that
that's going to be acceptable for another buyer. Now, I
get it if you're literally in the position where you're
you're getting the house ready to sell, of course, but
(31:15):
if you're if you're not at that point, and sometimes
you know, you talk to the people and they're not,
I've made the same thing. I've thought, the same thing,
Is this the color that other people will like? If
I sell the house. And then I've caught myself and
I said, well, are you thinking about selling the house?
And no, I'm really not, So why am I doing this?
(31:36):
Why don't I pick something that I truly like and
make the most of the time that I'm in this house,
however long that is, by enjoying it to its fullest extent,
rather than designing for somebody else, and not just somebody else,
but some vague other body you know, other somebody else.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You have no idea what their tastes are, what their
functionality requirements are. Essentially, like you said, Dan, if you
are a short term real estate investor, if you know
that you're going to own a property for a limited
amount of time, it's you know, prudent not to over
(32:14):
invest in that. If you are, you know, leveraging it
as an investment strategy, that is a really kind of
again I say, like, very very specific, very niche, very
like privileged place to be with people. I mean, it
got out of control right with like flipping houses. Let's
flip houses, let's be landlords, like and then you actually
(32:34):
understand what it means to work in that industry and
to be a landlord, and so many.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I don't want anything to do with this anything have said, Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I really I don't need to own four houses, like
this is too much.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I have all I can do with a house and
a shed, right little shed in the back.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And yeah, so enough for me if you And this
is a I think this is just a trend in
like our society in general, of people who are stretch
too thin and stressed out beyond their capacity and capability
to function. Right, So the shift to less as more
(33:13):
again better quality, that's a that's very prevalent in the
break in like forty and over versus forty and under me.
It's like the millennial millennial down to Gen Z. Yes,
everyone is always going to be sort of impulsively interested
in like fast fashion, like oh, I'm gonna buy that bracelet,
I'm gonna buy those shoes. Maybe I'll change up my
car every three years because they innovate and change so rapidly.
(33:37):
But when it comes to a significant investment like a
kitchen remodel or a bathroom, model home remodel or building
a custom home, you know, we see them now smaller, smarter,
more personalized and reflective of the actual needs of the
individual and the family, not of some as yet unknown
(33:59):
future buyer.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, and if it's paint, I mean that's the easiest
thing you need to do when you sell your house, right, depersonalize,
move out at least thirty percent of your stuff. Clean it,
Please clean it and paint everything.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Beij I love what you're talking about. Well, I love
where this industry that Cabez was pointing is the idea
that first off, just thinking about these two spaces kitchen
and baths, as how important those spaces are. You know,
I think you said it at the beginning. We understand
that to some extent that these are key spaces in
our home, but I don't think we think about them
(34:35):
as we don't put them on the level that they
really are at. You know, these are critical spaces in
our home to get right, to focus on, to splurge
in when we need to. And I love the idea
of saving and splurging. You know, I'm not going to
buy that crazy big stove because I'm going to just
boil water, but I'm going to put that money into Oh,
(34:55):
this amazing toilet. We're going to have some great times
this toilet. And I you know that kind of a thing,
just building these spaces for you know, just the oh,
what do you want to even say the mental health
that's the wrong word, but it's just the call.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Wellness is the sort of idea and love that. There's
like a wellness industry that is again like the grift
of snake oils and supplements that is white noise. Ignore it.
It's all marketing, but true honest wellness, right is what
are you eating and how are you functioning every day
in these spaces that are so critical? I mean, how
(35:33):
do you like I think the four most important places
in a home, you know, when I when I talk
to clients and when I stop and think about it,
really it's like, okay, like your kitchen and your bathroom,
they are incredibly important. Invest in a very good mattress
and bedsheets because we sleep a third of our lives
(35:53):
and if you don't have great sleep, it will slowly
kill you. I mean, there's so many reaper ushians and
a good chill space right like a den, a living room, whatever.
But you know, it's again like you sleep in your bed.
The first place you go is to your bathroom to
prepare for your day, and that sets a tone to
(36:14):
weep in front of the same potentially some you know,
it's like that's why the energy there needs to be
appropriate for like getting you ready for the day. What
I love about a lot of the technology and bathrooms
This is related to cave is, but it's it's lighting. Right,
So I have in my bathroom, Uh, my scances set
(36:38):
to be at like four thousand k in the morning,
I want to bright blue wake you up light. It's energetic,
it's it's functional. You know, it gets into your eyeballs
and your brain and you're like waking up better and
more energized than you can see. And then at night
(36:58):
those scances dim down to the twenty seven hundred kelvin
so they're much warmer, and that's when you go in
and you're winding down for the day, and you want
the opposite in your bathroom. So having that flexibility of
lighting is crucial, and thinking about that in the bathroom space,
just thinking.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
About that, you know, throwing that out there and designing
making your choices with things like that in mind. Right,
absolutely most of us don't think that way. We're just
finding the colors that look good together. And oh I
kind of like that faucet or I like these sconces.
There's so much more to think about, and the benefits
of thinking that through are just huge, you know, like
(37:37):
you said, getting it helps you wake up in the morning,
it helps you calm down and wind down at night.
You know, we know what our lives are like. Anything
that's going to help us, you know, wind down or
ramp up as we need to, is going to be beneficial.
Having that space to kick back, you know, designing that space,
that family, whatever that is, that den, whatever that space
(37:59):
is in your home, it's really critical to spend the
time and to think it through, to get the right colors,
to get the right furniture, to get the right everything
so that you get the most out of that space.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
And appliances and fixtures like kitchens and bathrooms are expensive
rooms by their very nature, right, so when you are
considering those things, it's like invest in those spaces and
invest in a good mattress. Which I will say again,
but it's all in the service of what we say again, wellness,
(38:31):
But it's really like living an authentic, purposeful, deeply enriching
life wherein you love everything about your space. You love
all of the choices that were made, whether that is
with a design professional or on your own using the
myriad of tools that are available to homeowners today. It
(38:55):
really is about reflecting inward to yourself and your family
and how do you want to live? What does that
feel like, sound like, look like, tastes like? You know,
all of your senses are engaged, and then you have
that as a known you know, sixth sense of like experience. Right,
what is the energy of that space and does it
(39:19):
support or detract from your goals and values?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So many things to think about, and you know that's
one of the perfect reasons to bring a designer in
to consult with somebody as you're making something, because these
are expensive changes that you're making to your home and
you're making this consideration and you know that, like I said,
it's expensive, but it can be money that's maybe not
(39:46):
invested is the wrong word, because you know, maybe you
don't get what you want out of it when you
resell it. That's not what I'm talking about. The investment
part is that I'm living better it absolutely do these
things and putting all of this together the right way
and talking with somebody who thinks this through. You know,
you've you've been thinking this through way longer than I have.
(40:07):
If I'm going to start doing that in my home,
I want to talk to somebody who's going to help
me make the wisest decision, not just me dipping my
toe into an industry now. And what's going to happen
to me is I'm going to, oh start looking. I'm
going to snatch the few, you know, the couple of
things that I can afford, let's be real, but the
things that catch my interest. Whereas if I'm talking to
(40:27):
a professional, it's very likely you're gonna help me steer
myself away from the first glitzy things that caught my
eye to the things that are really going to matter,
because you're gonna dig into who I am and what
I need. If our listeners do want to reach out
to somebody like you, you know, Andy, how do they
get a hold of you?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Well, I thank you for the endorsement, Dan, Yes, it is.
It's a very complex, layered and nuanced process to design
a home properly, and I love what I do. So
if anybody would like to speak to me about their project,
they can find me on all the socials at Andy
Yates Design and my website andyatesdesign dot com. I'm based
(41:10):
in West Michigan, but I travel pretty much all over
the country working on homes and businesses. So that is
how they can reach out to me.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Right, I'll put links in the show notes. You can
check out Andy's website and all the socials and all
of that. Andy, I love sitting down and talking to you.
Thanks for hanging out with us today.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I love it too, Dan. You're very welcome. Thank you
for having me back on the show. I hope it
was engaging and inspiring for the listeners today, and everybody
has a takeaway.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
They better that's what we have, that's what we demand
of them.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I'm sure they do. I'm sure they learned something new.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I'm sure there is something in there.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
All Right now, I want to shift gears dramatically and
answer a listener question about painting outside. Can he still
sneak a project in even though we're part way through November.
We're going to get to that right after this progress
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You're listening to Home in Progress sponsored by Repcolite Paints
and Benjamin Moore, and we're gonna end today's show with
a great question from a listener. Late this week, listener
email me about trying to sneak in a last minute
fall project. Right, We've all got them, you know, we've
all got these last minute projects we'd love to see done.
And this person reached out and explained he's got some
(42:33):
window trim that he needed to get scraped and painted
before winter, but he didn't make it all the way
around the house. So he's got at this point several
windows where he scraped all the old paint off. You know,
he's gotten everything down to bare wood. But he's wondering
if he's going to be able to get these things
painted before the season ends. He's basically worried about the temperatures.
Is it too cold to paint? And while the temperatures
(42:54):
are definitely a valid concern, moisture is actually the bigger
issue here. You're dealing with bear wood in the fall.
Moisture is a huge enemy. It's a huge enemy all
the time, but it's a little trickier to deal with
in the fall. You know, morning do unexpected drizzle. All
of those things end up soaking into that exposed wood.
And you know, here's the thing. The paint needs a
(43:15):
dry surface to properly adhere and form a protective film.
If you try to paint over damp wood, you're really,
really really setting yourself up for peeling, bubbling, you know,
poor adhesion a host of all kinds of problems down
the road. So before you even think about opening a
paint can, that bear wood needs to be completely dry.
(43:36):
And we're not talking surface dry. It needs to be
dried through and through. And I know that's not fun
to hear, but that's just the way it is. Depending
on conditions, that might mean that you've got to wait
a full sunny day or more after any moisture exposure,
but that's just the breaks. That's how it works in
the fall, So keep an eye on that. That moisture
(43:57):
is a big issue. Keep an eye on that. Now,
let's get to the temperature worries, because they're legitimate too.
The good news though with the temperature is that all
of the exterior water based products that we carry out
Repcholight can handle temperatures down to thirty six degrees. But
here's the catch. There's always always a catch. Here's the
catch with that. We're talking about both air and surface temperature.
(44:17):
You know, the dark trim that you've got in direct sunlight.
You know, even though it's forty degrees out, that dark
trim indirect sunlight is probably going to be warmer than
the air. And then conversely, the north facing window that's
in the shade, it's probably going to be cooler than
the air. So for best results, you're gonna want to
aim for both air and surface temperatures that stay above
(44:38):
forty degrees for at least twenty four hours after you paint. Now,
I know the cans we'll say thirty six degrees, sometimes
lower than that, but forty is ideal if you want
reliable results. So again, both surface and air temperature should
be about forty degrees or more for at least twenty
four hours after you paint. Now, if you're determined to
try to get this job done in the late fall,
(44:59):
or any project like this, any exterior painting that you're
just bound and determined you're going to get done in
the fall, there is a product that you really need
to be aware of, and it could save the project
it's Benjamin Moore's element Guard. Talked about it a ton
of times, but this paint is specifically designed for fall conditions,
you know, and early spring conditions. You know. It can
handle low temperature and all of that, but it also
(45:21):
offers extreme early moisture resistance. So we're talking moisture resistant,
you know, a moisture resistant paint film. Just sixty minutes
after application, the surface still needs to be dry before
you apply it. Element Guard isn't a silver bullet in
that regard. But if there happens to be a sudden
pop up rain shower or anything like that, you know,
heavy dew, you know, anything like that, element Guard is
(45:42):
going to handle that moisture better than pretty much any
other paint out there. So just tuck that away in
the back of your mind. If you're trying to sneak
in any late season or early season painting exterior wise,
element Guard is going to be a really nice safety net.
All right. With all of that set, let's assume the
conditions are favorable for painting. If that's the case, here's
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your painting window. You're going to want to start mid morning,
so around eleven o'clock or so. That's going to give
the due time to evaporate and the surface time to
warm up, and then you're going to want to wrap up,
you know everything, you know, get everything wrapped up by
early afternoon, probably around four o'clock or so, and that's
going to give the paint time to cure a little
bit before evening temps drop and the moisture returns. Now.
(46:25):
The last thing I'll say, and it's just to be realistic.
Sometimes the weather just isn't going to cooperate at this
time of year. Now, if you've got bear wood out
there that you can't get painted this season, it's still
going to be best to find a way to protect it.
And maybe that means you just do everything you can
to get a primer coat on the wood that's going
to provide critical protection through the winner and then you
can always clean it up and apply your top coat
(46:46):
in the spring. All right. If you're in the middle
of a project inside or outside and you run stock
or you've got a question, reach out to your nearest repcolite.
We're going to get you the answers that you need
and will help you work out a plan so you
can get through the project. And if you have a
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trying to figure out, shoot that question to me at
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radio at repcol Light dot com. And if I use
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I'm Dan Hansen. Thanks for listening, and I'll catch you
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Hey everyone, thanks for tuning in. You're listening to Home
in Progress sponsored by repcoll Like Paints and Benjamin More.
And today I've got a really interesting show that I
put together back in February. We're just going to jump
right in because there's a lot of stuff to cover.
Back in February, the Kitchen and bath Industry show CABIZ
took over Las Vegas with some of the biggest names
(00:22):
in design and innovation. More than forty three thousand people
came through nearly seven hundred exhibitors, and it was all
part of Design and Construction Week, which drew in over
one hundred and twenty four thousand visitors total. Now I
wasn't there, but my guest was, designer Andy Yates is
here in the studio to help us unpack what he
saw at CABIZ twenty twenty five. Andy, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Thank you, Dan. It is great to be back. I
appreciate the chance to talk about one of the largest
market segments in the interiors and homer modeling industry, which
is kitchens and bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, so paint the scene for us. You know, what
was it like being at something like that at CABIZ
this year? You know the size, the energy, the atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So I do need to correct you and state that
I was not able to attend this year. Actually correct,
I was not able to make it to Vegas in
the winter. I was in Mexico, unfortunately. I was on
the beach in Puerto Varta.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, is there somebody that we can talk to who
was there?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I can give you fake it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
All of the Yeah, okay, perfect, Andy's gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Fake it, or you can just edit it out that
I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
No, I think that's hilarious. I'm not going to edit
that out. We live, We live honestly, Annie, Andy, Annie, Yeah, Andy,
and I make a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Lot of mistakes authentic.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I'm willing to own that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I will say that the early bird ticketing for twenty
twenty six cabiz actually has been extended through October, and
I'm looking at the dates thinking I will go to
Vegas this winter.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
All right, so you can make the next one.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes, yes, But I keep my face on the pulse
of what's happening because it is such an important part
of my business specifically, but also the business of home
in general. Like I mentioned, a multi billion dollar industry
that really does precipitate into every human's life. It's everyone eats,
(02:23):
everybody poops, right, Everyone has a bathroom, Everyone has a
kitchen essentially most people or access to one that they use, right. Plus,
these are very critical spaces in the home. Generally speaking,
when you're not sleeping, the first place you are in
the last place you are in your home is in
a bathroom, and most, if not all, meals are prepared
(02:46):
and eaten in and around a kitchen. So no matter
the size of those spaces, they are very critical to
the way we live and the way we function, especially
because they are spaces so specifically based on human function.
Like we take in, we put out. These are where
we store food, which we need to survive. There's spaces
(03:07):
in our homes where that provide us with water and sanitation.
So it's extremely important spaces and we've always known this,
right the adage in real estate, like kitchens and bathrooms
sell houses because they're expensive also to renovate because they
layer in every trade. Your plumbers, your electricians, your carpenters,
your tile setters. You know you've got dry wallers. You
(03:29):
have products that blend water and electricity. So there's safety
issues that really don't exist in a place like your
den where you chill out or you know, your bedroom
where you essentially sleep and maybe get dressed. So cabiz
is always a very exciting opportunity to see what these
industry behemoths like you said, Delta, Breezo, mow In, Cohler, Toto,
(03:55):
and the kitchen side right like Wolf, sub Zero, Fisher,
pikele thermidor all of the appliance brands from you know, Whirlpool,
which we have locally here in Michigan, up to like
the international exhibitors right which there were a couple of
hundred that came from international markets this year. It is
(04:17):
a show that both intends to wow with a lot
of flashy, you know, marketing propaganda, so you'll see things
that you would see only at a convention like that
that necessarily might not trickle down into daily living. Sure,
but the show really this year was about sustainability, functionality, technology,
(04:45):
and personalization. So we saw all of these confluences happening
from every vendor, from every product launch and every experiential
launch there I guess too, we'll talk about it. But Cohler,
who is you know, based here in the Midwest, a
global juggernaut in this industry. They had an extremely engaging
(05:10):
and interesting booth this year, and I think it was
rated as the top experience for almost all show goers.
So they really brought it home. And the reason being
is that they really kind of hit all of the
trends and the influences of the industry. So they had technology. Right,
(05:35):
These are voice activated showers and toilets, things that are
enabled with Wi Fi and Bluetooth.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So you voice activated shower and toilet. Yeah, like, oh,
turn on, now I want the water whatever degrees, flush
the toilet and now what am I talking to my
toilet for? Right?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Smart technology?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But why am I future my toilet? What am I saying?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So you're essential therapist.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
A busy day today it's been maybe you know how
I'm going to get through it?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know, with the advent of AI and these language
models that people are using as friends and therapists, have
a seat and talk to your shower about your problems.
It's cathartic and maybe healing in some way. You know,
those spaces where we rejuvenate and regenerate. And so with
like smart toilet technology, it's able to tell you first
(06:25):
of all, keeping track of the mechanics of let's say
you're plumbing fixtures to see if anything's wrong, monitoring water pressure,
why toilet's doing that temperature. Yeah, so these smart toilets
would inevitably be able to tell you if there's a
leak in the tank. These toilets are also the technology
(06:45):
in a toilet is a little different because it's more
about the functionality of having a heated seat, having a
toilet that's sanitized with UV light every night, having you know,
bidet functions for cleanliness, having the ability to you know,
not have to touch it. So auto seat lifting, auto flushing.
(07:06):
We saw this in you know, a lot of shower
technology released from companies where you can in the morning
preset your shower to come on at the exact time
you want, at the exact temperature. If you need to
jump into the shower quickly, you can tell your phone
as you're driving home. You know, hey, phone, I won't
(07:27):
say the names a our phones don't talk to us.
You can say like, hey, smart intelligence, turn on the
shower for Dan or you know, spouse, a spouse, b
run a bath for the kids. Right, All of these
ways in which having these fixtures and appliances in the
(07:48):
kitchen at our disposal immediately to help us run and
organize our lives. Most of these companies would say better,
more efficiently, easier, less stressful. Right, what technology is is
supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So the colar booth was just name so.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That coler booth. They really nailed it, and they weren't
the only ones by any means, but I will say
they to sort of use it as a microcosm of
what's happening, so they really hit all of the themes. Right.
They have that integration of a lot of smart technology,
and again so do all of the others. Toto, Breezo,
the major appliance brands on the kitchen side right are
(08:25):
having your refrigerator monitor your temperature in all of the zones.
Refrigerators with cameras are introduced.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Welmra's showing the inside. Yes, I can see what's inside
without opening the door or.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Is it correct? Correct? You can see how much of
a certain ingredient or produce or beverage you have without
opening the refrigerator. It will not only monitor the temperature
of all of your zones, but you know it would
visually see if you are like getting low on something.
(09:05):
It can tell you it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Some of the refrigeration systems. Similarly with cooking systems, I
think there was an I don't remember the exact brand. Unfortunately,
one manufacturer had placed a camera in the oven, so
you don't have to have a glass door, you don't
have to crouch down. If it's under counter, you don't
have to open it to look at the temperature of.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Your recliner and check the fohone I'm assuming.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Put the cast roll in, stick the thermometer in it,
and walk away. Your oven will tell you. You can
check in on it at any time. You can see
if it's bubbling and ready to go. You know, if
you want to set the timer for a couple of
more minutes, you don't have to get up. You don't
have to stop what you're doing. You can Netflix and
chill and let your dinner bake itself. Essentially.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So there's a lot of integral technology, which was huge
this year, But that real big picture of everything was
like we see technology and much like we've discussed recently
for this Colors of the Year palette, we also saw
a lot of shift toward warm, rich natural colors like
(10:19):
the color of the year for twenty twenty five is
slash wiz is until they announce it on October sixteenth,
if that hasn't already happened when we air this episode
Cinnamon Slate, Right, But the idea of a lot of
the colors and materials released at cabiz where that they
were natural copper making a huge comeback, but natural earthy materials,
(10:45):
white and gray kitchens, the grayness of stainless steel, the
stark whiteness of sterile kind of cabinetry and appliances is
gone gone. It's gone. Color has reintroduced a lot of
the colors toilets and sinks from like the forties and fifties, so.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I know they did that a couple of years ago. Yeah,
and I think last year they added.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And they're expanding that, right, So we've seen that sort
of initial reaction to what designers were craving, which I've
long been personally, like coordinating plumbing fixtures with the color
palette of the house. So sometimes white is the right
toye for a toilet, sometimes bone, sometimes beige, sometimes black,
(11:29):
although rarely I'm not a fan personally, but if it works,
it works, And it's the same with fixtures. So we
saw these metal finishes in the last few years shift
toward more blacks, gun metals, right, a kind of darker,
more masculine palette. Well this year now it's like back
to warm bronzes, warm golds, warm coppers, oak, kitchen cabinets,
(11:52):
oak as a natural expression of the species and sort
of naturally stained like honey oak, old oak. We see
that resurgeon that's resurging.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, absolutely, and I knew I kept mine just as
they were, Yeah, for a good reason.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, we saw that in these just really rich earthy
tones and then natural expressions of tones, so like dramatic marbles,
not your sort of soft curated carreras with a lot
of like gray and white. We see the addition of
(12:31):
more leather and different kind of like mixed materials. So
there's wonderful hardware collections from companies like Belt with Keeler,
who's another local company that I personally enjoy using, but
even you know, the largest ones like m Tech and
Colonial Bronze Ashley Norton. So we see a lot more
(12:54):
of these resurgence of people's interest in wood hardware, hardware
with leather and tech styles, mixed metals again, going into
those really warm, earthier tones, and we see that in
some of the reflections of colors and textures again like
thinking about adding textures to areas. Specifically, fluting was all
(13:19):
over the place, which has been happening for a couple
of years now, but really you saw fluting everywhere. So
readed cabinet doors, fluted cabinet doors, fluted panels all over
the place, and colors that were, like I said, earthy,
but also jewel tones. Again maybe for the show in general,
(13:41):
but jewel tones are kind of classically never going out
of style. They are rich, they are elegant, and they
work right in with those warm, natural, earthy palettes. So
you saw a lot of rubies and garnets and emeralds.
That was essentially the trend of color and material.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, Andy, you mentioned a couple of broad themes that
you saw in the show. You mentioned sustainability. I can't
remember the other ones that you talked about, but what
were some of the broader themes that you spotted.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So the overall themes were really about personalization of spaces, sustainability,
and an emphasis on quality. So we see that the
industry is looking at being more sustainable and focusing less
on the idea of fast fill in the blank. So
(14:37):
we have like fast food, fast fashion. It's sort of
like fast interiors, things that are more inexpensively made and
they're meant to essentially rotate out of your home within
three to five years. It's kind of the hospitality model, right,
like a hotel generally wants to renovate every three to
(15:02):
five years to sort of just stay fresh. Plus they
get a lot of wear and tear they ultimately need to.
But in the home, we see more people, especially younger people,
wanting to save their money and invest in high quality
products and then understand that they will have longevity and
(15:24):
they will last, and then splurge on items that are
really important to them. So instead of rushing through, we
see homeowners builders to some extent as well, looking toward
investing in higher quality materials and splurging where they know
(15:48):
it's worth it. So we're talking about larger rois. Right,
If you don't cook, why have a ten thousand dollars range? Really,
why you know to boil? You can do that as
easily can do.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That on a real cheap one.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I do it every now, and a very inexpensive basic
range right, Yeah, the home chef trend will always exist
because there are foodies and cooks and people who are
avidly dedicated and loyal to brands, and it's very important
for them to understand the intricacies of their appliances and
(16:24):
that they do what they need to do. But that
plays into the trend, which I won't even say is
a trend. I think it's just a return to the
idea of personalization, buying what you want for how you
actually live, and not becoming susceptible to marketing peer pressure, right,
(16:45):
and consumer peer pressure, like the idea that you must
have maybe what your neighbor has or your friend has.
And again I say this especially in younger consumers who
are less inclined to want to invest in their first
home or their first major kitchen or bath renovation using
(17:09):
budget as the driving factor. So that's what we talk
about in kind of that save and splurge idea. It's like, yeah,
I want the shower with all of the tech and
with all of the amenities that were so popular this year.
On another trend like health and wellness, Like you're not
just sanitation for health and wellness, but these showers and
(17:31):
these baths that give you chroma therapy, aroma therapy, water,
different hydrotherapies. Food as nutrition, right, and we always say
food is love, right. It's the way that many people
express their love for their families and friends and guests.
And cooking is more than just preparing food as fuel.
(17:55):
And so there's a real emphasis on wellness and how
to properly preserve food and again in that so all
of that is coming out that that's wellness nutrition. The
emphasis that we have now on like fresher food, you know,
farm to table, well, we have to think about food
without a lot of preservatives does not stay preserved as long.
(18:18):
So the refrigeration of it, the storage of it, how
are companies innovating to make me eat that demand? And
then how is that food prepared on your range in
your oven. People love multifunctional appliances. So having just renovated
my kitchen last year, I am lucky enough to have
(18:39):
a relationship locally with Beacons and I worked with Fisher
pikel for all of my appliances. And I have what
one could say generically as a microwave, but ultimately they
call it a speed oven and it has twenty seven
different cooking settings. It convects at microwave cooks, it aerobakes,
So you have one applys that can replace four to
(19:02):
five small appliances. I have an oven similarly right that
is also a smart oven, an induction cook top that
has the ability to be like not only a safer
way to cook, but very specifically the refrigerator right with
different zones and temperature settings. And all of this was
(19:23):
seen as a trend in home appliances. Right personalization, a
return to wellness, creating fresh foods, cooking fresh foods, storing
food properly. That was very important and it aligns with
our return to nature, natural color palette, natural materials, and
(19:45):
biophilic design. People wanting to be able to grow their
own food at home. There was a whole section of
caps for like hydroponics and people growing food. Let's say
growing whatever they want, but we'll say herbs plants that
are edible. There was an emphasis on that too, and
people wanting to introduce microgreens into their diets. So we
(20:09):
see not only the storage and preparation of food, but
the actual creation of food or a family event.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Absolutely, And these showers that have all of these spa Yeah,
paramedical features really.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Important, like the bathrooms a spa now.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Absolutely and it always has trended that way. I mean
that's sort of the established way of you know, the
luxury market, and what we see available now more readily
to homeowners at a better price point honestly or save
in splurge price point is the shower that can can
(20:53):
give you steam and can give you water massages, and
it really is a space to be well. Again, we've
talked about how chaotic and uncertain the world seems to
be right now, and everybody's inundated with messaging and marketing
and social media and you're always available on your phone
and people are working from home, but really that just
means they're kind of working more and they don't have
(21:16):
a space to retreat. Bathrooms are quintessentially spaces of you know, rejuvenation,
relaxation and wellness in general. It's like cleanse your body,
you know, cleanse your mind. And in the kitchen we
see that in people reconnecting with their family and loved
ones and just getting their hands dirty creating something right. Yes,
(21:39):
there's technology there, but it's being used as a tool
to enhance that for individuals rather than sort of to
be distracting and to try to sell you something.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So when you're talking, what I'm hearing is like cash
register bells going off because this just sounds so expensive. Now,
I know you mentioned this idea of save and splurts
and makes a lot of sense. You know, I'll buy
the important, the things that really matter to me. I'm
gonna splurge on those things. I'll save money on some
of these other things. So help me, help me just
(22:12):
practically think that through in a bathroom. You know, let's
say the shower is that item for me, so you're
seeing people or you can envision. Have I have I
broken the set? It almost feels like, Okay, the shower talks,
the toilets could talk, the sinks could do whatever, and
that's like a nice little set. Can I get a
(22:32):
toilet that's stupid and a shower that's super smart and
they're not gonna it's not gonna look weird, feel weird.
Everything's gonna work together. I'm trying to understand, how can
I get, like, maybe a better thing would be the toilet,
because I know a toilet that does all these things
is really really fancy looking. They don't look like a
normal toilet. The ones I've seen they can be. Yeah,
(22:54):
they can look like a normal toilet, right you.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So any homeowner right now can purchase bidet seat to
replace the seat they have on their current toilet. Now
you need the right the parameter being you need to
have the electricity sure properly installed, and it is. There's
two types. You would want. One that has an integrated
(23:21):
heater for the water for the bidet function, unless you're
okay with a cold water bidet which is refreshing and refreshing.
But you know, toilets don't have hot water lines, so
you can you can buy bidet seats that are i
think just water pressure fed and attach it to your
toilet's supply line. Pretty basic stuff, Pretty basic and just upgrade.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You can, for example, take remove your current kitchen faucet
and put in a faucet that is bluetooth activated, voice activated,
touchless for relatively you know, a low investment, but to
have that amenity if you want to mix and match,
of course, there are still lots of options to have
(24:09):
I would say, like unsmart appliances or unsmart rather rather
like dumb. But let's say like mechanical, right, or basic
in the way that I know some people want to
live like some some individuals.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Right recoil at the idea.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I don't want a camera in my refrigerator. I don't
want a camera in my house, right, I don't need
my shower listening to me. I understand that. And not
everybody wants the shower that has artificial intelligence built into
it with you know, music and steam and aromatherapy and massage.
(24:47):
They'd rather, you know, experience that elsewhere, or they would
like to have those features, but without the smart technology,
which is an opt in choice. You can disable it
on any of these items, you know, And that's I
think really important too, because there is a balance of
(25:08):
privacy and just convenience, right of like understanding how much
you have to manage on your phone, like all my appliances,
all of my plumbing fixtures, my house HVAC systems, it
starts my ring doorbell, my kids' phones, my car, like
it will actually add more chaos to a world in
which most people are again contracting and trying to simplify
(25:32):
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Now, So do you see a lot of people snagging
these things up? I mean, are they cool? At a show?
I think you kind of mentioned that there's aspects of
the show that it's for the show.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Right, there's the glitz and glamour and the marketing pizzazz.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Do you see a lot of people snagging these things up?
The toilet thing makes sense to me. I understand that
I've stayed at an Airbnb where they had something like that. Right,
I didn't leave the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It's once you marveled at the toilet, once you have
of a heated toilet seat, I say, right, it's you
never go back, You never go back. It's it's kind
of like the things that become expensive luxuries. Things that
are expensive luxuries, and they were maybe ten twenty years ago,
are now common.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
We are living in a very privileged time where we
have the means and technology to give these luxury amenities
to almost everyone, right at a comfortable mid price point.
So when you look at how it's kind of integrated
(26:36):
into daily life. As you said, so from a practical perspective,
these products are researched and developed with substantial investment from
these companies over years. Actually, so they are popular. They
are more popular among some market segments, right because they
(27:01):
might be, but ultimately I am seeing so many people
more interested in imbuing their plumbing fixtures in the bathroom
with color, and imbuing these spaces where we do spend
so much time that are so critical with this technology,
(27:21):
with these features, they are willing to splurge on items
that really matter to them. And the reason being is
some of the uncertainty in the global markets, in finance,
in the world in general has kept people a little
more aware, especially since the pandemic of what home means
(27:45):
and how to be planted and really deeply invested in
where you are so less nomadic kind of transient lifestyles.
We're seeing people plant themselves their forecasting for longevity in
their homes and they're going to invest significantly in what
(28:07):
matters to them right, instead of thinking of like fast flip,
what is the next This is one of the things
that something that has always infuriated me in my business,
where I will meet with a potential client and we
will be reviewing their spaces. We're taking a home tour
(28:29):
and a comment will be made about resale value, right,
And my thought has always been intrinsically, if you're thinking
about who the next person living here is, you're not
truly living here. If you're worried about having a space
that's overly personalized because of resale value, I would question
(28:55):
the motivation behind that, because the real estate industry, especially
since it's been you know, it was growing before the recession,
but then it started to grow again because it started
at a much lower point. I mean, there is a
force behind pushing people to have bigger and better homes. Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade.
(29:17):
And if the idea is not to settle in and
remodel what you have now and make it yours, it
is like always look for the next big thing, right,
And that pressure that we feel, which I think is
just like not to be too philosophical about it, right,
but sort of like the idea of this, like in
stage capitalism, it's like bigger, better, more and more and more.
(29:41):
We saw that with monster houses, houses that have become
commonplace in neighborhoods that are ten, twelve, fourteen thousand square feet.
The contraction that I'm talking about right from that excess
is having people in their homes not thinking about resale,
not thinking about what's next, what's next, but actually being
(30:01):
present yea and saying I want to personalize this space,
for me and my family, because I'm willing to invest
in that, and I'm not worried about the next person
who may or may not own this house, because someone
a buyer, will love it, and if they don't, they'll
(30:21):
do exactly what I did. They'll personalize this space in
their own way. And that is a force in interiors
right now. That is in all of the color trends
we see all of the kitchen and bath industry products
and innovations. Like, the concept of designing for someone else
(30:46):
is almost so passe right now, it's offensive. I would
say to some people write like.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I like that. I think that's great. You know, design
for us, you know, pick things that you like rather
than because we'll talk to people about colors and it's
the same thing. You know, they want a color that
that's going to be acceptable for another buyer. Now, I
get it if you're literally in the position where you're
you're getting the house ready to sell, of course, but
(31:15):
if you're if you're not at that point, and sometimes
you know, you talk to the people and they're not,
I've made the same thing. I've thought, the same thing,
Is this the color that other people will like? If
I sell the house. And then I've caught myself and
I said, well, are you thinking about selling the house?
And no, I'm really not, So why am I doing this?
(31:36):
Why don't I pick something that I truly like and
make the most of the time that I'm in this house,
however long that is, by enjoying it to its fullest extent,
rather than designing for somebody else, and not just somebody else,
but some vague other body you know, other somebody else.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You have no idea what their tastes are, what their
functionality requirements are. Essentially, like you said, Dan, if you
are a short term real estate investor, if you know
that you're going to own a property for a limited
amount of time, it's you know, prudent not to over
(32:14):
invest in that. If you are, you know, leveraging it
as an investment strategy, that is a really kind of
again I say, like, very very specific, very niche, very
like privileged place to be with people. I mean, it
got out of control right with like flipping houses. Let's
flip houses, let's be landlords, like and then you actually
(32:34):
understand what it means to work in that industry and
to be a landlord, and so many.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I don't want anything to do with this anything have said, Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I really I don't need to own four houses, like
this is too much.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I have all I can do with a house and
a shed, right little shed in the back.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And yeah, so enough for me if you And this
is a I think this is just a trend in
like our society in general, of people who are stretch
too thin and stressed out beyond their capacity and capability
to function. Right, So the shift to less as more
(33:13):
again better quality, that's a that's very prevalent in the
break in like forty and over versus forty and under me.
It's like the millennial millennial down to Gen Z. Yes,
everyone is always going to be sort of impulsively interested
in like fast fashion, like oh, I'm gonna buy that bracelet,
I'm gonna buy those shoes. Maybe I'll change up my
car every three years because they innovate and change so rapidly.
(33:37):
But when it comes to a significant investment like a
kitchen remodel or a bathroom, model home remodel or building
a custom home, you know, we see them now smaller, smarter,
more personalized and reflective of the actual needs of the
individual and the family, not of some as yet unknown
(33:59):
future buyer.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, and if it's paint, I mean that's the easiest
thing you need to do when you sell your house, right, depersonalize,
move out at least thirty percent of your stuff. Clean it,
Please clean it and paint everything.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Beij I love what you're talking about. Well, I love
where this industry that Cabez was pointing is the idea
that first off, just thinking about these two spaces kitchen
and baths, as how important those spaces are. You know,
I think you said it at the beginning. We understand
that to some extent that these are key spaces in
our home, but I don't think we think about them
(34:35):
as we don't put them on the level that they
really are at. You know, these are critical spaces in
our home to get right, to focus on, to splurge
in when we need to. And I love the idea
of saving and splurging. You know, I'm not going to
buy that crazy big stove because I'm going to just
boil water, but I'm going to put that money into Oh,
(34:55):
this amazing toilet. We're going to have some great times
this toilet. And I you know that kind of a thing,
just building these spaces for you know, just the oh,
what do you want to even say the mental health
that's the wrong word, but it's just the call.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Wellness is the sort of idea and love that. There's
like a wellness industry that is again like the grift
of snake oils and supplements that is white noise. Ignore it.
It's all marketing, but true honest wellness, right is what
are you eating and how are you functioning every day
in these spaces that are so critical? I mean, how
(35:33):
do you like I think the four most important places
in a home, you know, when I when I talk
to clients and when I stop and think about it,
really it's like, okay, like your kitchen and your bathroom,
they are incredibly important. Invest in a very good mattress
and bedsheets because we sleep a third of our lives
(35:53):
and if you don't have great sleep, it will slowly
kill you. I mean, there's so many reaper ushians and
a good chill space right like a den, a living room, whatever.
But you know, it's again like you sleep in your bed.
The first place you go is to your bathroom to
prepare for your day, and that sets a tone to
(36:14):
weep in front of the same potentially some you know,
it's like that's why the energy there needs to be
appropriate for like getting you ready for the day. What
I love about a lot of the technology and bathrooms
This is related to cave is, but it's it's lighting. Right,
So I have in my bathroom, Uh, my scances set
(36:38):
to be at like four thousand k in the morning,
I want to bright blue wake you up light. It's energetic,
it's it's functional. You know, it gets into your eyeballs
and your brain and you're like waking up better and
more energized than you can see. And then at night
(36:58):
those scances dim down to the twenty seven hundred kelvin
so they're much warmer, and that's when you go in
and you're winding down for the day, and you want
the opposite in your bathroom. So having that flexibility of
lighting is crucial, and thinking about that in the bathroom space,
just thinking.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
About that, you know, throwing that out there and designing
making your choices with things like that in mind. Right,
absolutely most of us don't think that way. We're just
finding the colors that look good together. And oh I
kind of like that faucet or I like these sconces.
There's so much more to think about, and the benefits
of thinking that through are just huge, you know, like
(37:37):
you said, getting it helps you wake up in the morning,
it helps you calm down and wind down at night.
You know, we know what our lives are like. Anything
that's going to help us, you know, wind down or
ramp up as we need to, is going to be beneficial.
Having that space to kick back, you know, designing that space,
that family, whatever that is, that den, whatever that space
(37:59):
is in your home, it's really critical to spend the
time and to think it through, to get the right colors,
to get the right furniture, to get the right everything
so that you get the most out of that space.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
And appliances and fixtures like kitchens and bathrooms are expensive
rooms by their very nature, right, so when you are
considering those things, it's like invest in those spaces and
invest in a good mattress. Which I will say again,
but it's all in the service of what we say again, wellness,
(38:31):
But it's really like living an authentic, purposeful, deeply enriching
life wherein you love everything about your space. You love
all of the choices that were made, whether that is
with a design professional or on your own using the
myriad of tools that are available to homeowners today. It
(38:55):
really is about reflecting inward to yourself and your family
and how do you want to live? What does that
feel like, sound like, look like, tastes like? You know,
all of your senses are engaged, and then you have
that as a known you know, sixth sense of like experience. Right,
what is the energy of that space and does it
(39:19):
support or detract from your goals and values?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So many things to think about, and you know that's
one of the perfect reasons to bring a designer in
to consult with somebody as you're making something, because these
are expensive changes that you're making to your home and
you're making this consideration and you know that, like I said,
it's expensive, but it can be money that's maybe not
(39:46):
invested is the wrong word, because you know, maybe you
don't get what you want out of it when you
resell it. That's not what I'm talking about. The investment
part is that I'm living better it absolutely do these
things and putting all of this together the right way
and talking with somebody who thinks this through. You know,
you've you've been thinking this through way longer than I have.
(40:07):
If I'm going to start doing that in my home,
I want to talk to somebody who's going to help
me make the wisest decision, not just me dipping my
toe into an industry now. And what's going to happen
to me is I'm going to, oh start looking. I'm
going to snatch the few, you know, the couple of
things that I can afford, let's be real, but the
things that catch my interest. Whereas if I'm talking to
(40:27):
a professional, it's very likely you're gonna help me steer
myself away from the first glitzy things that caught my
eye to the things that are really going to matter,
because you're gonna dig into who I am and what
I need. If our listeners do want to reach out
to somebody like you, you know, Andy, how do they
get a hold of you?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Well, I thank you for the endorsement, Dan, Yes, it is.
It's a very complex, layered and nuanced process to design
a home properly, and I love what I do. So
if anybody would like to speak to me about their project,
they can find me on all the socials at Andy
Yates Design and my website andyatesdesign dot com. I'm based
(41:10):
in West Michigan, but I travel pretty much all over
the country working on homes and businesses. So that is
how they can reach out to me.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Right, I'll put links in the show notes. You can
check out Andy's website and all the socials and all
of that. Andy, I love sitting down and talking to you.
Thanks for hanging out with us today.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I love it too, Dan. You're very welcome. Thank you
for having me back on the show. I hope it
was engaging and inspiring for the listeners today, and everybody
has a takeaway.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
They better that's what we have, that's what we demand
of them.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I'm sure they do. I'm sure they learned something new.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I'm sure there is something in there.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
All Right now, I want to shift gears dramatically and
answer a listener question about painting outside. Can he still
sneak a project in even though we're part way through November.
We're going to get to that right after this progress
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You're listening to Home in Progress sponsored by Repcolite Paints
and Benjamin Moore, and we're gonna end today's show with
a great question from a listener. Late this week, listener
email me about trying to sneak in a last minute
fall project. Right, We've all got them, you know, we've
all got these last minute projects we'd love to see done.
And this person reached out and explained he's got some
(42:33):
window trim that he needed to get scraped and painted
before winter, but he didn't make it all the way
around the house. So he's got at this point several
windows where he scraped all the old paint off. You know,
he's gotten everything down to bare wood. But he's wondering
if he's going to be able to get these things
painted before the season ends. He's basically worried about the temperatures.
Is it too cold to paint? And while the temperatures
(42:54):
are definitely a valid concern, moisture is actually the bigger
issue here. You're dealing with bear wood in the fall.
Moisture is a huge enemy. It's a huge enemy all
the time, but it's a little trickier to deal with
in the fall. You know, morning do unexpected drizzle. All
of those things end up soaking into that exposed wood.
And you know, here's the thing. The paint needs a
(43:15):
dry surface to properly adhere and form a protective film.
If you try to paint over damp wood, you're really,
really really setting yourself up for peeling, bubbling, you know,
poor adhesion a host of all kinds of problems down
the road. So before you even think about opening a
paint can, that bear wood needs to be completely dry.
(43:36):
And we're not talking surface dry. It needs to be
dried through and through. And I know that's not fun
to hear, but that's just the way it is. Depending
on conditions, that might mean that you've got to wait
a full sunny day or more after any moisture exposure,
but that's just the breaks. That's how it works in
the fall, So keep an eye on that. That moisture
(43:57):
is a big issue. Keep an eye on that. Now,
let's get to the temperature worries, because they're legitimate too.
The good news though with the temperature is that all
of the exterior water based products that we carry out
Repcholight can handle temperatures down to thirty six degrees. But
here's the catch. There's always always a catch. Here's the
catch with that. We're talking about both air and surface temperature.
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You know, the dark trim that you've got in direct sunlight.
You know, even though it's forty degrees out, that dark
trim indirect sunlight is probably going to be warmer than
the air. And then conversely, the north facing window that's
in the shade, it's probably going to be cooler than
the air. So for best results, you're gonna want to
aim for both air and surface temperatures that stay above
(44:38):
forty degrees for at least twenty four hours after you paint. Now,
I know the cans we'll say thirty six degrees, sometimes
lower than that, but forty is ideal if you want
reliable results. So again, both surface and air temperature should
be about forty degrees or more for at least twenty
four hours after you paint. Now, if you're determined to
try to get this job done in the late fall,
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or any project like this, any exterior painting that you're
just bound and determined you're going to get done in
the fall, there is a product that you really need
to be aware of, and it could save the project
it's Benjamin Moore's element Guard. Talked about it a ton
of times, but this paint is specifically designed for fall conditions,
you know, and early spring conditions. You know. It can
handle low temperature and all of that, but it also
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offers extreme early moisture resistance. So we're talking moisture resistant,
you know, a moisture resistant paint film. Just sixty minutes
after application, the surface still needs to be dry before
you apply it. Element Guard isn't a silver bullet in
that regard. But if there happens to be a sudden
pop up rain shower or anything like that, you know,
heavy dew, you know, anything like that, element Guard is
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going to handle that moisture better than pretty much any
other paint out there. So just tuck that away in
the back of your mind. If you're trying to sneak
in any late season or early season painting exterior wise,
element Guard is going to be a really nice safety net.
All right. With all of that set, let's assume the
conditions are favorable for painting. If that's the case, here's
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your painting window. You're going to want to start mid morning,
so around eleven o'clock or so. That's going to give
the due time to evaporate and the surface time to
warm up, and then you're going to want to wrap up,
you know everything, you know, get everything wrapped up by
early afternoon, probably around four o'clock or so, and that's
going to give the paint time to cure a little
bit before evening temps drop and the moisture returns. Now.
(46:25):
The last thing I'll say, and it's just to be realistic.
Sometimes the weather just isn't going to cooperate at this
time of year. Now, if you've got bear wood out
there that you can't get painted this season, it's still
going to be best to find a way to protect it.
And maybe that means you just do everything you can
to get a primer coat on the wood that's going
to provide critical protection through the winner and then you
can always clean it up and apply your top coat
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in the spring. All right. If you're in the middle
of a project inside or outside and you run stock
or you've got a question, reach out to your nearest repcolite.
We're going to get you the answers that you need
and will help you work out a plan so you
can get through the project. And if you have a
question like that, you know something that you're struggling with
trying to figure out, shoot that question to me at
(47:08):
radio at repcol Light dot com. And if I use
it on the air like I did just now, you
can get some free paint out of that. I'll give
you a free gallon of paint if I use your
question on the air. So, any paint question, any varnishing question,
any staining question, you know anything you got, throw it
my way radio at repcol Light dot com. If I
use it on the air, you get free stuff. And
(47:28):
that's pretty good. All right. That's going to do it
for this episode of Home in Progress. If you liked
what you heard, consider sharing the show with a friend,
and also consider leaving us a review that helps other
people find the show, and that really helps us out.
If you're not a subscriber, you can find the show
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you'll never miss an episode. All right, for Home in Progress,
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I'm Dan Hansen. Thanks for listening, and I'll catch you
next time. The couple b
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