June 24, 2023 • 39 mins
On Today's EpisodeThe Right Tools [00:00 - 04:45]Projects naturally go better when you use the right tools. What Do I Need for a Garage Floor Makeover? [04:45 - 32:29]Painting garage floors is popular for a couple reasons: First, it can turn a garage from an ugly storage area to a more finished space. And, secondly, a sealed surface is much easier to keep clean.However, it is one of the most difficult and demanding surfaces to paint and has to hold up to vehicle traffic, water and chemical attack, surface contamination from oil and other vehicle fluids, and the variable nature of concrete. PREPARATIONMOISTURE TESTNewer homes will have a vapor barrier installed beneath the concrete floor, older homes probably don't. If you're in an older home, the amount of water vapor that passes through concrete would probably surprise you. This moisture creates a challenge for adhesion of paint. To determine if your floor is an ideal candidate for a garage floor makeover, perform this simple moisture test: Use duct tape to adhere a 3’ square piece of plastic film to the floor. After about 24 hours, look and see if there is any condensation on the back of the plastic. If so this indicates a significant amount of water is passing through the concrete, and failure of a coating is likely.PREP NEXT STEPSIf you don't see evidence of water under that plastic, then the next steps in preparation are:
When it comes to etching, do NOT use muriatic acid (AKA Hydrochloric acid) because it is very difficult to rinse thoroughly and a small amount of residual acid on the concrete will inhibit proper adhesion and peeling paint could result. Acid can also migrate into the concrete, further corroding it and even the steel reinforcement which can lead to concrete failing - breaking apart.Instead use a concrete etching solution that is phosphoric acid based, which is less aggressive and easier to rinse, and also less irritating to skin, eyes, lungs. Be aware that etching is not the same as cleaning. Etching solutions won't remove dirt, oil or other contaminants that could affect the adhesion or durability of the coating. Use a detergent degreaser product on those areas before etching.Etching solutions will not work if the concrete is treated with a sealer. The only way to know if your floor has a sealer is: if the etching solution doesn’t “fizz” when applied to the surface, there is probably a sealer present.There are drawbacks to etching that might make another surface preparation method such as grinding or shot blasting preferable. beside the need to thoroughly rinse, acids present health (chemical burns on skin, lung irritation) and environmental concerns. Also, results from etching can often vary depending on the density and porosity of the concrete. After etching and rinsing, the concrete will need to dry out for a few days before a coating can be applied.FINISHING Now you're ready to paint. What products should you use?Single component paints lack the chemical, water and abrasion resistance required for a durable job. Even two-component water based epoxy paints don't offer the resistance properties of a similar solvent based product.So, with that said, we recommend a two-component coating, and there are a few different types:
Solvent thinned epoxy: RepcoLite Poly-Glaze Epoxy, BM Corotech...
- Make sure the surface is clean and dry (If the floor is new, wait at least 30 days for concrete to cure before prep/painting)
- If the concrete is new or especially smooth, you should etch it to remove impurities (laitance) found in new concrete and to create a surface profile that helps paint adhere.
When it comes to etching, do NOT use muriatic acid (AKA Hydrochloric acid) because it is very difficult to rinse thoroughly and a small amount of residual acid on the concrete will inhibit proper adhesion and peeling paint could result. Acid can also migrate into the concrete, further corroding it and even the steel reinforcement which can lead to concrete failing - breaking apart.Instead use a concrete etching solution that is phosphoric acid based, which is less aggressive and easier to rinse, and also less irritating to skin, eyes, lungs. Be aware that etching is not the same as cleaning. Etching solutions won't remove dirt, oil or other contaminants that could affect the adhesion or durability of the coating. Use a detergent degreaser product on those areas before etching.Etching solutions will not work if the concrete is treated with a sealer. The only way to know if your floor has a sealer is: if the etching solution doesn’t “fizz” when applied to the surface, there is probably a sealer present.There are drawbacks to etching that might make another surface preparation method such as grinding or shot blasting preferable. beside the need to thoroughly rinse, acids present health (chemical burns on skin, lung irritation) and environmental concerns. Also, results from etching can often vary depending on the density and porosity of the concrete. After etching and rinsing, the concrete will need to dry out for a few days before a coating can be applied.FINISHING Now you're ready to paint. What products should you use?Single component paints lack the chemical, water and abrasion resistance required for a durable job. Even two-component water based epoxy paints don't offer the resistance properties of a similar solvent based product.So, with that said, we recommend a two-component coating, and there are a few different types:
- Solvent-thinned polyamide epoxy
- 100% solids epoxy
- Polyaspartic
Solvent thinned epoxy: RepcoLite Poly-Glaze Epoxy, BM Corotech...
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Well, good morning, everybody.Happy Saturday, Dan, Happy Saturday,
Happy Saturday Day in the morning.Yeah, you're listening to the Rep Collate
Home improvement show sponsored by Benjamin Mooreand Dan. Today, we've got probably
the biggest project I think we've evertalked about on the show ever, I
think. So, it's painting yourgarage floor. Oh. I have wanted
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to talk about this for ages,but there's so many little rabbit holes to
go down, tales to know about. We have delayed doing that. We
decided to jump right in and we'regoing to hit everything. So if you've
ever thought about getting your garage floorpainted, we're going to have all the
information that you're gonna want right now. Though, let's talk about paint tools.
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And I like to think of itthis way. If you hate painting,
and there are people Dan, Iknow this, Yeah, they do.
I talk to them a fair amount. They hate painting projects. And
usually they hate painting projects because theysay they stink at them. They've had
a bad experience. Yes, Italked with one guy and I've shared that
on the on the show before.He was painting his bathroom. His wife
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got him to help and they wereboth working out of different trays. He
put his tray down to work inthe you know rolls some paint over here,
stepped into the tray, splashed itall over himself. Was stunned that
this had happened, you know,shocked. So he sits down on the
toilet to collect himself and sits inpaint had left on the He is one
of those people who hates paint projects, and maybe I can't help understandably.
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Yeah, he might be a lostcause. Hire that done. I told
him that one I talked to him. But a lot of the rest of
us maybe hate those paint projects becausewe're not using good tools right. And
I think that's really true in prettymuch any project. Absolutely, the right
tool for the job makes things goso much smoother. Think about decorating cakes,
think about writing Happy Birthday. Ifyou don't have one of those little
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squishy I've never done it. Brostingthings, try to do it with a
butter knife. I've tried. Itlooks like a murdercy. It's very slashy,
but if you have the right tool, you can work your way across
and it's not horrible. Sure,same it is true with painting stuff,
and right now through the end ofthe month, we're running some specials in
store all at all Repco lights ona couple of really common, really important,
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good to have paint tools, andwe'll be doing this all year long.
Every month there's going to be somethingon sale, and the sale is
really good. It's one of thebest sales we've ever offered price wise.
So this month June, we're offeringSherlock roller frames from Wooster as well as
the next step down, the WoosterPro frames. Both of these are roller
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frames. They're nine inch roller frames. And let's start by talking about the
Sherlock roller frame top of the line. Why in the world is this so
good? Dan? One thing isthe way it holds onto the roller cover.
Normal frames tend to maybe have thecover come off as you're painting.
Yeah, if you've ever been rollingyour wall, right, you can kind
of watch it walk its way off. Then you got to bang it on
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something or push it down with yourlittle palm. Right now, you get
paint over pain. It's everywhere.It's a pain in the neck. And
the Wooster Sherlock frame will actually holdit in place. In fact, the
only way to get it off isto bang the frame like into a garbage
can or something like that. Right, you hit it on the U bend
of that frame and the roller coverwill shoot right off. But that's a
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really nice feature. Now, anotherreally nice feature is the fact that that
shank that we're banging on the garbagebucket or whatever is super sturdy. Yes,
way better than the cheaper ones thatyou buy, right, and that
gives you better durability and control.And then another great feature for the extension
pole. And we really recommend usingan extension pole, and almost a lot
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of circumstances, Yeah, I wouldsay most circumstances, just get a short
extension pole. It will really saveyour back. It will help you apply
the paint more quickly. And withthe Sherlock frame and with the cheaper Wooster
proframe, the next step down thatwe're both are on special They have a
quick connect system. Rather than havingto thread it on, these actually just
clip right onto the Wooster specific extensionpoles and they stay in place perfectly.
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They don't work their way loose,and if you need to swap them out,
it's just a matter of a quickconnect, hit that little button,
you pull it off. You canquick roll your wall by hand. A
couple of areas if you need toand snap it back on that extension pole.
Super handy, Super handy. Thosetools are on sale to the end
of the month and you can findthem at any Rep Collite location. All
Right, more info in the shownotes if you want to check that out.
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We're going to take a break.When we come back, we're talking
about garage floors. Take it indeep and that's all. Just ahead,
stick around and we're back here listeningto the Rep Collite Home Improvement Show sponsored
by Benjamin Moore and Dan We're goingto talk about painting garage floors. Finally.
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Yes, it's something that I've wantedto talk about for years, and
I don't think we have ever talkedabout ever in the history of the home
improvement right, and that's the onlyhistory that really matters. But in three
hundred and I think this is ourfourteenth episode, three hundred and fourteen episodes,
we have not talked about this.Well, it's about time. It's
about time. Now. There's areason, multiple reasons why we haven't broached
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the topic. One of them isjust because you can really get lost in
the weeds on some of this.There's a lot of what ifs there's some
detail to walk through. Yeah,and all the steps and blah blah blah.
It's Saturday morning. I know thatthat's not everybody's cup of tea to
be listening to that, but Istill think this is really good information because
painting a garage floor it's one ofthose projects that's really popular. Yeah,
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it can really you know, theidea is that it's really going to change
our space. There's you know,a number of reasons why it's popular.
A couple of them really quickly isjust one. We can turn our garage
from this ugly storage space into likethis entertainment mecca more of a living space.
Yeah, we can have open housesand all kinds of things for people
that we really don't want in ourhome. Right, it can stay outside
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the bathroom in the house, butotherwise you're going to be in the garage
maybe unless I can get the neighborsto let them use their bathroom, you
know. But yeah, so we'veall gone to houses where they've had an
open house and it's in this beautifulgarage setting, and man, that feels
great, even though it's a garage. And a big part of that is
getting those floors coated and that reallypushes it over the boundaries and makes it
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really cool. Another reason, it'sjust that it's easier to clean, right
at least that's the idea, right, easier to sweep up. However,
with all of that set all ofthose positives, garage floors really are one
of the most difficult and demanding surfacesto paint. You know, if you
want to paint something and have todeal with some chipping and some peeling and
some other issues, well, garagefloors the way to go. You really
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like fixing things, right if youwant to maintenance project. And why is
that? You know, why don'twe just make a better coating for the
garage floors. Well, contamination thatends up on the in the concrete,
you know, oil from the cars, other vehicle fluids, even cars driving
in you know Michigan winters. Youknow, the roads are covered with salt.
We bring that into the garage.That can attack of coating water,
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just standing water, all of that. There's all kinds of things going on
that makes the garage floor, youknow, besides the vehicle sitting on it
and all of that and us draggingtools across it. I mean, it
gets hit with almost everything. It'sa severe duty. When's the last time
you've driven on your living your mall, It certainly wasn't a good day.
If there it was a last time. That's what your garage floor lives with
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on a daily basis. So agarage floor coating really has a lot of
heavy lifting to do. Now,with all of that said, you know,
anywhere we go, if we clickon TV, or you know,
you're scrolling across Facebook or whatever,or you walk into any store, you're
going to see lots of diy kits, you know, garage in a box
kind of things. Just bring thathome and it's gonna look amazing. Well
are those the best? Is thatreally the way to go? The plan
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today, what we're going to doon this segment, couple of segments it's
going to take on the show,is we're gonna walk you through the whole
process, you know, getting thefloors ready for coding, deciding if your
garage floor is even right for acoading. We're gonna walk you through all
of that, and then we're goingto talk about the products that you need
to use. And hopefully what thiswill do is give everybody out there just
the information you need to decide ifthis is something I want to tackle,
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if this is something I want tohire done, and all of you just
don't want to do it all.Yeah, maybe you just want to put
that money into another project. Andthat's very valid, and in fact,
that's one of the first things we'regoing to hit. So let's start with
the preparation. And we talk aboutpaint projects all the time and we say
it's ninety percent prep and ten percentpainting. Dan, you have a way
of saying it's ninety percent prep andten percent perspiration. Perspiration. You clearly
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don't sweat like I do. Walkingacross the room is perspiration, so the
prep work for me is one percentstill perspiration. But anyway, the point
is doing the prep. You know, we want to get to rolling the
paint on. That feels like right, but no, really, the mountain
you got a climb is that preparationAnd it's so important. If you do
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that wrong or you skimp on it, cut corners, you'll regret it in
the future. And that's on anypaint project, right, but especially floors
in spades. When we're talking aboutfloors. Now, let's start with a
moisture test. That's the very firstprep step, and it's actually kind of
a fork in the road kind ofa thing. This is where you're going
to decide if this project is foryour garage floor or maybe not right now
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most modern homes. Newer homes willhave a moisture vapor barrier, a plastic
sheet basically that's laid down before theypour the concrete that prevents moisture in the
ground from coming through that concrete slab. Older homes will most likely don't have
that. So there's a way totest and see how much moisture is coming
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through your concrete. You'd be surprised, that's how much comes through, way
more than you would think. Soyou can test that very simply. This
is something you could do today,and you just need some plastic basically like
a three foot square, get acouple of them to a few areas,
and you're going to tape them downwith ductating, yeah, and then wait
twenty four hours see what happens.So you tape it down this afternoon on
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Sunday, you can check it,and what you're looking for is moisture under
that plastic, right, condensation onthe back side of the plast If you
see condensation, what is that tellingyou? That's telling you probably this is
not a project do you want toproceed with? Right? It probably means
long term issues with adhesion of thepaint because that moisture is just going to
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want to push that paint, peelthat paint off. So let's say that
I put plastic down in three differentareas, because we recommend, like I
said earlier, doing multiple areas justto get a good overall look at what's
happening on the floor. Let's sayI've got one of them that's really dry
and a couple of them there ismoisture. I mean, what do I
do? It seems I guess yeah, that it's a flip of the coin.
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Do I dare proceed with this projectand take that chance or not?
You know, moisture trouble is afoundational problem. If you're seeing some of
that, it's a good reason topause and think, maybe this project isn't
one that right because appealing floor it'sgoing to be a problem that you're dealing
with. Now, you've got aproject every song, all the time,
right, and you can probably livewith the concrete as it is if that's
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going to be the case. Now, let's move ahead, and let's just
assume for the sake of the restof the show, because we got more
we want to talk about. Let'sassume that the plastic is dry. Yep,
the listener has done this taped offsome areas. Maybe I'm going to
do it on my garage floor andI check it after twenty four hours and
it's completely dry. Everything's great.What do I need to do now?
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I know I've got a good candidatefor painting, you know, the garage
floor looks like it would work.Now I need to proceed, and I
need to make sure that the surfaceis clean and dry, and I also
may need to etch that floor.Now, there's a quick caveat before we
get to what the cleaning and theetching processes look like. And that caveat
is this, if your floor isbrand new, you're gonna want to wait
at least thirty days for that concreteto cure or doing any of this stuff
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correct. All right, So withthat in mind, let's say it's an
older floor, or maybe it's beenthirty days or so, let's start with
the cleaning process. Probably dirty,right, Most garage floors are so general
cleaning, you know, and thisis not any kind of rocket science.
This is standard. How would youwash your garage floor? Just hose it
off. That's it off the placeswhere you have oil stains. Now you
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might need to use something a littleheavier duty, a degrease or cleaner.
Yeah, we've got challenger or spraynine TSP can be a degreaser. And
if you can't get either one ofthose, any of those, just get
a good degreaser and hit those spotsspecifically. Correct. May take a couple
applications to make sure you've got itup, but make sure you go through
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all of that, and then oncethat's been cleaned, you want to rinse
that floor really well, get allthose cleaning agents rinsed off, and then
let it dry. Then you wouldproceed to the etching. Now, if
I'm going to go and etch itand pour an etching solution on it,
this question comes up all the time. Why don't I skip that cleaning step
and just do the etching and removeall of my stuff that way? But
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the etching doesn't really touch the dirtor any Oh, it's not really a
cleaner. So even though that maysound like a really nice way to skip
some steps and save yourself, Yeah, save yourself sometime don't do it.
So get it cleaned, hit thosespots with a degreaser, and you're ready
to go. Do I need tolet the floor dry before I go to
the etching or can I rinse itout and then while it's still wet start
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with the etching solution. Etching willwork better on dry concrete. It will
work on damp concrete, but itwill work a little bit better if it's
dry. Okay, Now, theother question I've got is does every single
garage floor need to be etched?You know, if I've got a brand
new one, if I've got anold garage floor, now they all need
to be etched. And how doI know if it does or doesn't The
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signals that it would be necessary toetch number one. If it's less than
two years old, it probably hassome of these impurities that come to the
surface of concrete. That is partof the reason why we do the etching
is to remove those impurities. Theother reason is to give the concrete some
surface profile, some roughness so thatthe pink can adhere. So if your
floor is really smooth, then yes, it should be etched. It's going
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to help with adhesion. Tremendously.Okay, so if you've got to atch
it generally, in the past,we would have recommended, I mean years
back, myriadic acid, hydrochloric acid, that was the go to, and
we don't recommend that anymore. Don'tuse that. It's very difficult to rinse
right the meriadic acid off thoroughly,and even a small amount of residual acid
left on the concrete can inhibit properadhesion of your paint and you could end
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up with peeling paint and then continueto degrade your concrete. That acid will
continue to eat at that concrete couldeven reach the rebar, the reinforcement steel
that's in your concrete slab, andall kinds of bad things. The concrete
can spall break upon. Just imaginetrying to explain that to your wife.
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I atched the concrete and now there'sno garage floor. It's all crumbled away
to dirt floor. Now, Yeah, so don't use aeriatic acid. There
are concrete etching solutions that you canfind that you can use a little more
safely. You want to look forone that's a phosphoric acid based right etching
solution. It's going to be lessaggressive. Easier to rinse, and it's
also less irritating your skin, eyes, and lungs. Right, So get
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that etching solution, put it on, and then after etching, after applying
it, you're gonna rinse it reallywell, triple rinse it. Go over
and over and over until it's reallyrinsed, and then let the concrete dry
out for a few days before youmove onto a coating. You'll know that
you've rinsed it enough. If whenit's dry, if you see whitish areas,
you haven't rinsed it enough, sothen you can hit it again.
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Continue, don't let it get dry. Basically, rinse, rinse, rinse,
keep it wet when it gets dry. And now it's almost too late.
Now you can't rinse it anymore.All right. So that's etching with
an etching solution, and it's soundspretty straightforward. It's a pretty straightforward process,
but there are some drawbacks. Etchinglutionswon't work if your concrete is treated
with a sealer, and the onlyreal way to know if your concrete is
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treated with a sealer is to usethe solution. Doesn't working, yeah,
no, but you pour it onand normally on raw concrete. It's going
to fizz, yes, right,you'll see all these little bevels. And
if it's sealed concrete, it's notgoing to fizz. It's just hit it
like water. So it's not goingto do anything. Now at that point,
just you know, stop and you'regoing to have to proceed to another
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way of etching that concrete. Andwe'll talk about that in a minute.
Another reason etching solutions are not questionable, but you know something to consider some
issues involved. They need to bereally thoroughly rinsed. We already covered that
they can still present health and environmentalconcerns. Even though this is better than
the hydrochloric acid or the myriadic acidthat we used to use in the past,
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this can still cause chemical burns onskin, long irritation things like acid.
Right. Yeah. And finally,if you're acid etching a floor,
you can still get varied results dependingon the density and the prosody of the
concrete. It may not be completelyuniform across the board. A slab of
concrete isn't necessarily a continuous thing.There are places where it might be more
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porous and less porous, and theacid will have different effects in those areas,
so those are limits to using asolution to acid etch the floor.
There's another way of preparing that floor, a braiding that floor, and that's
to use a concrete grinder or shotshot blasting it. Now we rent out
our on floor machine which will functionas a concrete grinding tools. It's crazy.
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We use it on decks, weuse it on hardwood floors in the
home, and it can be usedto grind concrete for your gratge floor,
let's say. And it's interesting becauseit uses three different heads. You know,
when you're using it on a deck, the heads that are applied are
deck brushes, right, so we'regrasi brushes were eight on the boards.
But when we move to a gradgefloor, we've got different tools, different
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heads that go on that will allowit to really do a great job on
concrete. It's connected to a vacuum, so you're removing all the dust as
you go. It will give youa uniform right abrasion the floor and you're
ready to go for paint immediately followinggoing over that floor. Of the on
floor machine, you don't have towait any dry time like you would with
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the acid etching, right, Soreally grinding is preferred over acid etching.
It is the preferred method. That'sthe way to go that if you can
do everything to the best of yourability to get the best results. This
is how you would prepare that floorfor paint, using the on floor machine
or shot blasting or something like that. All right, once you've done that,
once you've acid etched the floor,if that's the route you go and
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you let it dry. Now it'stime to talk about paint. Which one
do you use, Which product isbest, which one's going to hold up
and give you the best results.We're going to take a break right now.
Grand Rapids listeners, you're going toget news and weather. At the
bottom of the hour. East Sidelisteners, you're going to get a repical
light rewind, and then when weall get back together for segment three,
we'll be talking about paint products foryour garage floor. What you need to
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know, which ones you want tolook for. That's all next. Stick
around and we're back. You're listeningto the rep Collite Home Improvement Show sponsored
by Benjamin Moore and Dan We're talkingabout painting a garage floor. You know,
it's one of those I wish Icould projects for a lot of us,
right or I hope to someday,or maybe I'm going to It's one
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of those things. We think aboutit a lot. And there are a
lot of diy kits all over theplace that make it seem crazy easy,
right, you know, just gohome and roll this on the floor and
there you go. It's like ironon your garage and it looks amazing.
You can have parties out there,everybody's happy, right, right. Well,
there's a lot more to the processand to the project than just rolling
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the product on. And in fact, we spent all of segment two on
the show talking about the different prepsteps involved, and really it was just
an overview. What we wanted todo was give you just a bird's eye
view of what the process looks like. So you see, there's a phaer
amount of work involved in getting goodresults, but it's fairly straightforward, straightforward
work, but you want to makesure you do it all. And we
know that a lot of this stuffis really in depth for a Saturday morning,
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and probably not the thing over thebulletials that everybody's just writing down notes
furiously and don't worry about that.Just kind of sit back and let the
process roll over, you understand andkind of get a view of it in
your mind. But if you needdetails or need more answers, any Repcollite
near you is going to be ableto supply all of those answers. And
also we've got all of this informationin our show notes, so check it
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out at repcoalite dot com. Now, all right, last segment we talked
about prep work and now we're upto the finished paint. You know what
do I pick what's best? First, let's start with some types of products
paint products out there that you wantto avoid, right, single component products
in contrast to a two component coatingwhere you mix part A and B together,
yea, those are the kind ofproducts that we want to use,
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the single component type that we don'tmix a hardener with it or a catalyst.
Avoid those they're generally not going tohold up. They're not durable enough,
they're not resistant enough to water andchemicals, even abrasion to really do
the job right. So single componentpaints, if that's what you're looking at,
I would keep looking YEA. Eventwo component water based epoxies though you
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talk about the two component mix,but if it's a water based epoxy,
that still probably isn't going to giveyou exactly what you want in an ideal
situation. Correct, So what werecommend is a two component and for lack
of a better way of defining it, I'm going to say a two components
solvent based paint right for your project. And we'll explain a little more about
that in a minute. And withinthis category of two component solvent based type
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products, there are three different types, or at least a few that we're
going to focus on. A solventthinned topoxy that's one one hundred percent solids
epoxy, a second one, andpoly aspartic, which I absolutely love to
say, it's so much fun andall of that can be you know,
it feels a little Greek to maybemost of us out there. Let's go
through each one and kind of giveyou an idea what we're looking at.
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And let's start with the solvent thinnedto POxy Solvent thinned poc see. A
couple of examples would be Repcolites polyglazeepoxy or the Benjamin Moore cortec V four
hundred. The advantages of using thetwo components solvent based epoxy is that it's
easy to use, it's very durable, it's forgiving, has lots of working
time, you know. You mixthese two components together and you've got plenty
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of time to work with them.It's available in unlimited colors, and it's
economical. It's probably the most economicalthing of what we're talking about here today.
All right, So something like repcolitespolyglaze like you mentioned, economical,
available in all the colors, easyto work with. Cons it's stinks,
yeah, smell in stinks in.Smell doesn't stink, right right, it's
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an odor thing. Yeah, there'sdefinitely an odor to that. What about
one hundred percent solids epoxy? Allright, so this is technically not a
solvent based epoxy because there's no solventpresent. Yeah, so what is it?
Yeah? I think that's very confusingfor people. Is it a bucket
of sand? Well, it's allsolid. Yeah, it's one hundred percent
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solid plastic. It's liquid. Obviously. You mix the two components together and
apply them to your floor, andeverything that you put down stays there.
Unlike most conventional paints, there's asolvent component that evaporates into the air.
And so if you're putting down sixteenthof an inch of coating let's say,
you know, and there in halfof that is solvent, or you end
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up with a thirty second of aninch thick of coating with one hundred percent
solids coatings. Everything you put downstays there because there's nothing to evaporate.
Now, rep Collite makes mirror POxysl right, and Benjamin Moore's core attach
V four thirty would be one thepros of doing that, and you hinted
at it. You end up witha beautiful, smooth, glossy finish.
It's amazing when it's all smooth andit looks like a mirror. It's just
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absolutely glossy, smooth, really reallydurable. And even though you know it
feels like you know it's it's notsolvent base like we talked about, but
it feels like one of those typesof products. There's still no odor to
this merchant, right, Yeah,there's no solvent. There's something to smell.
Those are really big pros. Thereare some cons though, Dan,
What are the cons? The bigone is because these codings go on much
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thicker than a conventional pain it costssignificantly more to use this on your floor.
You need a lot more of it, all right, So con it's
expensive. Limited color selection basically thatmeans they come in clear. A lot
of times people will use this asa clear coat over top of say a
stain, all right, like alike an oil stain. You mean a
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concrete stain. Oh, that makesa lot more say, yeah, you
don't really want to highlight that oilstain that you tried to degrease earlier.
And they can be pigmented to butoftentimes you see them as clear, all
right, So limited with the color, slow dry time and hardness development,
which means it's a slower to kinput your car back in the garage right
away. It might take a fewdays. Acid etching usually is not enough,
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right, The profile that's created byacid etching is not is not aggressive
enough, so you would need togo to actually the grinding, the grinding
and all of that and one otherthing. Let's say, Oh, application
is going to be different. It'snot just rolled on with a conventional roller.
You're going to squeegee this on,right, because it goes on so
much more thickly, such a muchthicker layer. The tools you use and
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the techniques are a little bit different. I mean it's beautiful, but there's
there's some things you got to do. One last thing. We won't go
too much into this, but youneed to use a sealer before applying one
hundred percent solid epoxies because you canend up with bubbles and things like that.
Yeah, there's there's a little bitof air, you know, voids
in the concrete and that'll show upas a bubble in the finish. Is
this really idea? This is aDIY problem? Oh? I know people
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that Oh yes, okay, sodefinitely can do it. You just got
to be aware of some of thosethings. Yeah, and you got to
take a step by step and don'tbe afraid to ask questions and we can
walk you through that. Absolutely.Poly aspartaic, Dan, let's get to
that one, the one you likethe name of I do. Poly Aspartic
is a relatively new technology and it'skind of a it has one foot in
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each camp of saying A you're athaner in epoxy. They're really different tech.
It's a different sort of chemistry,but it has advantages that on anything
previous to this doesn't have. NumberOne, it is super duper resistant to
chemicals, water, and abrasion,just amazingly resistant to that kind of stuff.
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It's Also it's dry and hard ina half a day. You can
drive back on the garage floor fourhours after you've painted. How does that
work with the polyglades? The veryfirst one that we talked about, the
solvent thinned epoxy, they're what wewould say, we would say somewhere between
one and three days of dry timebefore parking your in the solid one solids
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apoxy, maybe more like four fivedays. And then this one is we're
talking hours, right Polly aspartic hoursyou're back in the garage. That's pretty
good. Yeah, I like thata lot. Get the car off of
the driveway and back in the rog. What about some cons everything? You
just recommend this for everybody. Thisone is probably the trickiest one to apply,
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especially for a DI I wire thathas a very short pot life,
which means when we mix the twocomponents together, we don't have much time
at all, fifteen twenty minutes towork with it before it will harden.
So it's like it's like one ofthose Mission Impossible movies with like the timer
is ticking, the bomb is goingto go, or you've got to move.
If you work well under pressure,this might be the product for you.
You might love this product. Thisis a product that you wouldn't want
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to do by yourself. You wantto have a team of people, and
a team of adequate people, right, the best you can find your mission
impossible team, right, Like,don't have one of them be your dog,
okay, or even a couple ofmy kids that I'm thinking of.
Just get sidetracked two fast, right. Generally, the way it goes is
one person is mixing the two partstogether, one person is pouring it out
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on the floor, and another personis rolling it out. All right,
So you've got to move fast.Yeah, it can harden right in the
can. Oh yeah, fifteen minutesyou said, right there you go.
It's smelly. Yes, there's allof that limited color selection right again,
mostly clear clear, all right.So all of those are products types of
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products that we say will be greattremendously. Well, those are the things
that you want to be looking for, and that those are all four bare
concrete, you know, floors thathave not been coated before. What if
your floor already has paint on it. You know, what if we're talking
to somebody out there there floor hasbeen painted, it's maybe doing okay,
maybe it's not great, right,now can they use these on that surface
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or is there something else for them. There's a risk in the solvents that
are in these things attacking the coatingthat's on there and lifting it, making
it lose adhesion. What would yourecommend for that situation? So it's not
ideal, but the next best thingwould be a two component water borne epoxy,
and so an example of that wouldbe the Benjamin Moore Inselects garage guard.
So there are options out there.Some last random thoughts considerations before we
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wrap everything up and move on.One thing to think about. Be aware
that dirt and spills are going tobe more visible on a uniformly colored surface
than they are on natural concrete.Right. I always think about this with
like kitchen cabinets. You know,I've got oak stained and varnished oak kitchen
cabinets, And while I don't lovethat look, and get down there and
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start scrubbing the cabinets and you'll beblown away by how much gunk is clinging
to them. If you paint themall white, you're gonna see it way
fast. Same thing on the garagefloor. You may think you're getting a
surface that is more cleanable, andit is but it is going to showing
a little quicker. Also, paintedfloors tend to be really slippery when wet,
right, I don't think about that. It's like an ice rank out
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there. And you can add nonskid additives that could be mixed into the
paint that will reduce the slipperiness.Will also grab dirt. It also grab
dirt, and yeah, so you'reyou're fighting with that. One solution,
possibly a practical solution, would beto treat the walking areas. Right,
I've seen that that non skit additive, but it's still something to remember that's
going to make those areas tougher tosweep. Another thing before we wrap up
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entirely, there are marketing materials formany gradge floor coatings. We look at
them all over the place, andthey use language that says something along the
lines of it's hot tire pickup resistant. Right. That's a little deceptive,
right, Really, what they're talkingabout isn't the heat of the tire.
It's that the tires are when they'remade, they have a lot of plasticizer
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chemicals in them, and those plasticizerchemicals can migrate out of the tire into
the paint and soften it, andthen when you back the car out,
you're taking a patch of paint offand you run into that. That's a
concern no matter what you put onfor the most part. Yeah, and
the only guaranteed solution really is touse like a carpet matter something similar under
the tires when the car is parked, right, that's the guaranteed solution.
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Yeah. The idea of an immaculatelypainted garage floor is appealing, but often
the challenges with prep work and applicationof garage floor coatings can be a little
aunt. You know, after goingthrough all of that, there's an element
of this that's a little daunting.It is one of those projects that you
can do yourself. You just gotto go in with your eyes wide open
and you're mindful of the knowledge right, ask the right questions. But it
might be best to hire this onedone right and at any Repcollite store,
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we can help you with the informationyou need to tackle the project. We've
got the products that we talked about, and even more importantly, possibly we
can connect you with contractors who'll usethem. So if you are looking for
a contractor for a garage floor,or maybe for any project in your home.
Just head to repcalite dot com andthen we've got to find a contractor
tab right on the top menu.Just click that. There's a little form
that you can fill out, tellus what you're working on, where you
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are, and then we'll get yourthree names. Usually in about twenty four
hours, get three names that youcan contact of people in your area who
do that kind of work and whohonestly might have some openings in their schedule.
We try to work through all threeof those things to make sure the
information you get is actionable. Intelright right, all right, I think
we've covered as much as we reallycan cover. Yeah, everybody's kind of
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laying there sprawled out on the floor. Bullet cheerials has been spilled over.
You've heard all the information. Headto repcal light dot com. You can
check the show notes from our infoRight now, we're going to take a
break. When we come back,it's time for another You can't do that
segment. We've got something new inMichigan starting June thirty that you no longer
can do. We've got all theinfo. Just ahead, stick around.
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You can't do that, Dan.Lots of things that we can't do,
and we're gonna We're gonna tell youeven more of them. You're listening to
the Rep Go Light Home improvement showsponsored by Benjamin Moore. And Dan,
you've got something serious that you wantto talk about, a new law that's
going into place next week on Junethirty. But before we get to serious
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stuff, I wanted to look atother things that we can't do in Michigan.
And I know that there's always ridiculouslaws on the books. Right,
things cropped up in the eighteen hundredpeople didn't like, right, but some
of these laws stay on. Ithink this is hilarious, and there's a
couple that I think are really worthtalking about. Ed in the beginning.
Number one, destroying a vintage radioor a radio in general, I believe
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is illegal. Really, Yep,you can't go and do that. Why
would you want to? I can'timagine. Maybe Dan, the other Dan,
not me, says something that youdon't like and you throw your radio
out the window. That is acrime that should not be punishable by law
by death. Well I don't knowabout death, but yes, it's punishable
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by law of some sort. Ihave no idea. I think there's a
long law about all the different things. It has to do with communication devices
and you utility polls and things likethat. But the way the law is
worded, the utility could actually applyto appliances that convey a message, and
the radio is such an appliance andtherefore cannot be destroyed. Well, here's
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another one. It's illegal to paintsparrows. Oh, no, that that
goes my afternoon. I was goingto paint some sparrows. Well, and
the marketing campaign for next month isjust out the window. You know,
I thought that seemed like such abig thing. No, you can't spray
die or otherwise color a bird tosell it as if it were another species.
Oh gotcha. And you can't paintanimals in general to make them look
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like other animals and then sell them. So but if you you could painted
animals, say purple, if itdoesn't look like another animal when you're done,
See, this is why people throwthe radio out the window. Peta,
people are chucking the radio out thewindow. No, we don't recommend
painting any animals or animals. Noanimals should be painted. We don't like
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that, and it gets lost andnow we don't like it. Right,
one last one, it's illegal toserenade your girlfriend. Really yep. In
Kalamazoo, to serenade your girlfriend isillegal. Wow, oh yeah the voices
down there, people just carry adoone and no, it's completely unallowed.
And that makes sense to me too, because there could be a lot of
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sappie music. I don't want tobe listening right right, you know,
I don't even like it when they'vegot their radio on. Sometimes I want
to throw that radio right onto theroad. I might move to Kalamazoo.
It sounds soothing, exactly. Nowlet's get to the serious thing that we
can't do, and it's distracted driving, which should not be a disappointment.
None of us should be disappointed thatwe no longer can drive distractedly. But
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starting on June thirty, Michigan's handsfree distracted driving law goes into place,
and a number of things that wewant to talk about, basically, just
what does it all mean? Youknow, it's it's an expansion to what
I was going to say. Wehave already we're not allowed to text while
driving, right right, that's anolder law, and now they've expanded that.
And really what it boils down toa means is that you can't the
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driver can't hold or use a mobileelectronic device while behind the wheel. So
no sending or receiving phone calls ortexts. Okay, no watching, recording
or sending videos. Oh really,yes, it should not be a surprise.
No reading or posting on social medianetworking sites. That should not come
as a surprise. And yet,distracted driving makes up for about twenty five
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percent of all fatal crashes in Michigan. That's a lot. It's an incredible
amount and absolutely insane. You hada couple of issues, Dan that in
the past month, I've witnessed twoaccidents totally related to this, and you
had a couple of people almost driveyou off the road. Yeah. I
had almost ahead on crash because ofthis, because you just couldn't get off
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your phone. No, it wasn'tme, Dan, Right, I wanted
to clarify for the listeners. Somebodycoming at you just drift straight into your
lane. Right. And then Iwitnessed another pretty bad accident when I could
see the person was holding their phone. Bang. Well, you know,
when you're traveling sixty miles an hour, you're covering eighty eight feet per second,
So just looking away for that splitsecond, right, you know,
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think of all the distance that youcover in a vehicle like that. You
know, I started riding motorcycle.And while the distracted driving thing is a
big deal if you're in a carand all of that, I mean,
obviously it's a big deal, itreally gets in my head when I think
about as safe as I can beon the bike and doing everything I can,
I can't control somebody who's not payingattention. I'm already a little tougher
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to see. I'm little, soI'm even more tough to see. And
then if they're distracted, you know, and there's been studies at show that
people think they can multi task andthey can't. Nobody can. No,
I'm not even paying attention to whatyou're saying right now because I'm looking at
something else. But I would sayI could multi task. Now if you
break the lot, what are thepenalties, Well, the first time violator
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is going to be one hundred dollarfine, or you're gonna have to serve
sixteen hours community service. A secondoffense is what like two fifty I think,
yeah, twenty four hours of communityservice. Yeah, fines are doubled
if the drivers involved in a crash. So a lot going on. Pay
attention to that the new band doesn'tapply to on duty public safety workers,
so don't be scoping out the police, the firefighters, and the paramedics.
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No citizens arrest right andy figuring they'reexempt. You know they can do what
we're doing, right, And drivingwhile using a handheld device is also allowed
for all of us. If we'rein the middle of an emergency situation,
you know, we're calling nine oneone, we're reporting a reckless driver or
a crime, or an accident orsomethingbody else that's on their phone. Right,
if you want to tattle on somebodyelse, just make sure you've got
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a really good reason pull off totattle. That's probably the smartest thing.
It's okay to use a dashboard mountas well as other hands free technology.
So if you do that, youcan touch your phone like swipe or one
touch of a button something like that. You just can't be whole holding it
in texting. Right, let's seethese numbers go down. That's the plan,
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that's the hope, and that's allthe time we got. We're gonna
have to wrap it up. Ifyou want to catch this one again,
you can find it online at repcollitedot com. Whatever you do today makes
your paints a part of it.The Rep Collit stores are all open waiting
to help. I'm Dan Hanson andI'm Dan Altina. Thanks for listening.
Well, good morning, everybody.Happy Saturday, Dan, Happy Saturday,
Happy Saturday Day in the morning.Yeah, you're listening to the Rep Collate
Home improvement show sponsored by Benjamin Mooreand Dan. Today, we've got probably
the biggest project I think we've evertalked about on the show ever, I
think. So, it's painting yourgarage floor. Oh. I have wanted
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to talk about this for ages,but there's so many little rabbit holes to
go down, tales to know about. We have delayed doing that. We
decided to jump right in and we'regoing to hit everything. So if you've
ever thought about getting your garage floorpainted, we're going to have all the
information that you're gonna want right now. Though, let's talk about paint tools.
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And I like to think of itthis way. If you hate painting,
and there are people Dan, Iknow this, Yeah, they do.
I talk to them a fair amount. They hate painting projects. And
usually they hate painting projects because theysay they stink at them. They've had
a bad experience. Yes, Italked with one guy and I've shared that
on the on the show before.He was painting his bathroom. His wife
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got him to help and they wereboth working out of different trays. He
put his tray down to work inthe you know rolls some paint over here,
stepped into the tray, splashed itall over himself. Was stunned that
this had happened, you know,shocked. So he sits down on the
toilet to collect himself and sits inpaint had left on the He is one
of those people who hates paint projects, and maybe I can't help understandably.
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Yeah, he might be a lostcause. Hire that done. I told
him that one I talked to him. But a lot of the rest of
us maybe hate those paint projects becausewe're not using good tools right. And
I think that's really true in prettymuch any project. Absolutely, the right
tool for the job makes things goso much smoother. Think about decorating cakes,
think about writing Happy Birthday. Ifyou don't have one of those little
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squishy I've never done it. Brostingthings, try to do it with a
butter knife. I've tried. Itlooks like a murdercy. It's very slashy,
but if you have the right tool, you can work your way across
and it's not horrible. Sure,same it is true with painting stuff,
and right now through the end ofthe month, we're running some specials in
store all at all Repco lights ona couple of really common, really important,
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good to have paint tools, andwe'll be doing this all year long.
Every month there's going to be somethingon sale, and the sale is
really good. It's one of thebest sales we've ever offered price wise.
So this month June, we're offeringSherlock roller frames from Wooster as well as
the next step down, the WoosterPro frames. Both of these are roller
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frames. They're nine inch roller frames. And let's start by talking about the
Sherlock roller frame top of the line. Why in the world is this so
good? Dan? One thing isthe way it holds onto the roller cover.
Normal frames tend to maybe have thecover come off as you're painting.
Yeah, if you've ever been rollingyour wall, right, you can kind
of watch it walk its way off. Then you got to bang it on
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something or push it down with yourlittle palm. Right now, you get
paint over pain. It's everywhere.It's a pain in the neck. And
the Wooster Sherlock frame will actually holdit in place. In fact, the
only way to get it off isto bang the frame like into a garbage
can or something like that. Right, you hit it on the U bend
of that frame and the roller coverwill shoot right off. But that's a
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really nice feature. Now, anotherreally nice feature is the fact that that
shank that we're banging on the garbagebucket or whatever is super sturdy. Yes,
way better than the cheaper ones thatyou buy, right, and that
gives you better durability and control.And then another great feature for the extension
pole. And we really recommend usingan extension pole, and almost a lot
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of circumstances, Yeah, I wouldsay most circumstances, just get a short
extension pole. It will really saveyour back. It will help you apply
the paint more quickly. And withthe Sherlock frame and with the cheaper Wooster
proframe, the next step down thatwe're both are on special They have a
quick connect system. Rather than havingto thread it on, these actually just
clip right onto the Wooster specific extensionpoles and they stay in place perfectly.
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They don't work their way loose,and if you need to swap them out,
it's just a matter of a quickconnect, hit that little button,
you pull it off. You canquick roll your wall by hand. A
couple of areas if you need toand snap it back on that extension pole.
Super handy, Super handy. Thosetools are on sale to the end
of the month and you can findthem at any Rep Collite location. All
Right, more info in the shownotes if you want to check that out.
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We're going to take a break.When we come back, we're talking
about garage floors. Take it indeep and that's all. Just ahead,
stick around and we're back here listeningto the Rep Collite Home Improvement Show sponsored
by Benjamin Moore and Dan We're goingto talk about painting garage floors. Finally.
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Yes, it's something that I've wantedto talk about for years, and
I don't think we have ever talkedabout ever in the history of the home
improvement right, and that's the onlyhistory that really matters. But in three
hundred and I think this is ourfourteenth episode, three hundred and fourteen episodes,
we have not talked about this.Well, it's about time. It's
about time. Now. There's areason, multiple reasons why we haven't broached
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the topic. One of them isjust because you can really get lost in
the weeds on some of this.There's a lot of what ifs there's some
detail to walk through. Yeah,and all the steps and blah blah blah.
It's Saturday morning. I know thatthat's not everybody's cup of tea to
be listening to that, but Istill think this is really good information because
painting a garage floor it's one ofthose projects that's really popular. Yeah,
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it can really you know, theidea is that it's really going to change
our space. There's you know,a number of reasons why it's popular.
A couple of them really quickly isjust one. We can turn our garage
from this ugly storage space into likethis entertainment mecca more of a living space.
Yeah, we can have open housesand all kinds of things for people
that we really don't want in ourhome. Right, it can stay outside
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the bathroom in the house, butotherwise you're going to be in the garage
maybe unless I can get the neighborsto let them use their bathroom, you
know. But yeah, so we'veall gone to houses where they've had an
open house and it's in this beautifulgarage setting, and man, that feels
great, even though it's a garage. And a big part of that is
getting those floors coated and that reallypushes it over the boundaries and makes it
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really cool. Another reason, it'sjust that it's easier to clean, right
at least that's the idea, right, easier to sweep up. However,
with all of that set all ofthose positives, garage floors really are one
of the most difficult and demanding surfacesto paint. You know, if you
want to paint something and have todeal with some chipping and some peeling and
some other issues, well, garagefloors the way to go. You really
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like fixing things, right if youwant to maintenance project. And why is
that? You know, why don'twe just make a better coating for the
garage floors. Well, contamination thatends up on the in the concrete,
you know, oil from the cars, other vehicle fluids, even cars driving
in you know Michigan winters. Youknow, the roads are covered with salt.
We bring that into the garage.That can attack of coating water,
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just standing water, all of that. There's all kinds of things going on
that makes the garage floor, youknow, besides the vehicle sitting on it
and all of that and us draggingtools across it. I mean, it
gets hit with almost everything. It'sa severe duty. When's the last time
you've driven on your living your mall, It certainly wasn't a good day.
If there it was a last time. That's what your garage floor lives with
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on a daily basis. So agarage floor coating really has a lot of
heavy lifting to do. Now,with all of that said, you know,
anywhere we go, if we clickon TV, or you know,
you're scrolling across Facebook or whatever,or you walk into any store, you're
going to see lots of diy kits, you know, garage in a box
kind of things. Just bring thathome and it's gonna look amazing. Well
are those the best? Is thatreally the way to go? The plan
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today, what we're going to doon this segment, couple of segments it's
going to take on the show,is we're gonna walk you through the whole
process, you know, getting thefloors ready for coding, deciding if your
garage floor is even right for acoading. We're gonna walk you through all
of that, and then we're goingto talk about the products that you need
to use. And hopefully what thiswill do is give everybody out there just
the information you need to decide ifthis is something I want to tackle,
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if this is something I want tohire done, and all of you just
don't want to do it all.Yeah, maybe you just want to put
that money into another project. Andthat's very valid, and in fact,
that's one of the first things we'regoing to hit. So let's start with
the preparation. And we talk aboutpaint projects all the time and we say
it's ninety percent prep and ten percentpainting. Dan, you have a way
of saying it's ninety percent prep andten percent perspiration. Perspiration. You clearly
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don't sweat like I do. Walkingacross the room is perspiration, so the
prep work for me is one percentstill perspiration. But anyway, the point
is doing the prep. You know, we want to get to rolling the
paint on. That feels like right, but no, really, the mountain
you got a climb is that preparationAnd it's so important. If you do
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that wrong or you skimp on it, cut corners, you'll regret it in
the future. And that's on anypaint project, right, but especially floors
in spades. When we're talking aboutfloors. Now, let's start with a
moisture test. That's the very firstprep step, and it's actually kind of
a fork in the road kind ofa thing. This is where you're going
to decide if this project is foryour garage floor or maybe not right now
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most modern homes. Newer homes willhave a moisture vapor barrier, a plastic
sheet basically that's laid down before theypour the concrete that prevents moisture in the
ground from coming through that concrete slab. Older homes will most likely don't have
that. So there's a way totest and see how much moisture is coming
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through your concrete. You'd be surprised, that's how much comes through, way
more than you would think. Soyou can test that very simply. This
is something you could do today,and you just need some plastic basically like
a three foot square, get acouple of them to a few areas,
and you're going to tape them downwith ductating, yeah, and then wait
twenty four hours see what happens.So you tape it down this afternoon on
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Sunday, you can check it,and what you're looking for is moisture under
that plastic, right, condensation onthe back side of the plast If you
see condensation, what is that tellingyou? That's telling you probably this is
not a project do you want toproceed with? Right? It probably means
long term issues with adhesion of thepaint because that moisture is just going to
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want to push that paint, peelthat paint off. So let's say that
I put plastic down in three differentareas, because we recommend, like I
said earlier, doing multiple areas justto get a good overall look at what's
happening on the floor. Let's sayI've got one of them that's really dry
and a couple of them there ismoisture. I mean, what do I
do? It seems I guess yeah, that it's a flip of the coin.
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Do I dare proceed with this projectand take that chance or not?
You know, moisture trouble is afoundational problem. If you're seeing some of
that, it's a good reason topause and think, maybe this project isn't
one that right because appealing floor it'sgoing to be a problem that you're dealing
with. Now, you've got aproject every song, all the time,
right, and you can probably livewith the concrete as it is if that's
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going to be the case. Now, let's move ahead, and let's just
assume for the sake of the restof the show, because we got more
we want to talk about. Let'sassume that the plastic is dry. Yep,
the listener has done this taped offsome areas. Maybe I'm going to
do it on my garage floor andI check it after twenty four hours and
it's completely dry. Everything's great.What do I need to do now?
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I know I've got a good candidatefor painting, you know, the garage
floor looks like it would work.Now I need to proceed, and I
need to make sure that the surfaceis clean and dry, and I also
may need to etch that floor.Now, there's a quick caveat before we
get to what the cleaning and theetching processes look like. And that caveat
is this, if your floor isbrand new, you're gonna want to wait
at least thirty days for that concreteto cure or doing any of this stuff
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correct. All right, So withthat in mind, let's say it's an
older floor, or maybe it's beenthirty days or so, let's start with
the cleaning process. Probably dirty,right, Most garage floors are so general
cleaning, you know, and thisis not any kind of rocket science.
This is standard. How would youwash your garage floor? Just hose it
off. That's it off the placeswhere you have oil stains. Now you
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might need to use something a littleheavier duty, a degrease or cleaner.
Yeah, we've got challenger or spraynine TSP can be a degreaser. And
if you can't get either one ofthose, any of those, just get
a good degreaser and hit those spotsspecifically. Correct. May take a couple
applications to make sure you've got itup, but make sure you go through
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all of that, and then oncethat's been cleaned, you want to rinse
that floor really well, get allthose cleaning agents rinsed off, and then
let it dry. Then you wouldproceed to the etching. Now, if
I'm going to go and etch itand pour an etching solution on it,
this question comes up all the time. Why don't I skip that cleaning step
and just do the etching and removeall of my stuff that way? But
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the etching doesn't really touch the dirtor any Oh, it's not really a
cleaner. So even though that maysound like a really nice way to skip
some steps and save yourself, Yeah, save yourself sometime don't do it.
So get it cleaned, hit thosespots with a degreaser, and you're ready
to go. Do I need tolet the floor dry before I go to
the etching or can I rinse itout and then while it's still wet start
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with the etching solution. Etching willwork better on dry concrete. It will
work on damp concrete, but itwill work a little bit better if it's
dry. Okay, Now, theother question I've got is does every single
garage floor need to be etched?You know, if I've got a brand
new one, if I've got anold garage floor, now they all need
to be etched. And how doI know if it does or doesn't The
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signals that it would be necessary toetch number one. If it's less than
two years old, it probably hassome of these impurities that come to the
surface of concrete. That is partof the reason why we do the etching
is to remove those impurities. Theother reason is to give the concrete some
surface profile, some roughness so thatthe pink can adhere. So if your
floor is really smooth, then yes, it should be etched. It's going
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to help with adhesion. Tremendously.Okay, so if you've got to atch
it generally, in the past,we would have recommended, I mean years
back, myriadic acid, hydrochloric acid, that was the go to, and
we don't recommend that anymore. Don'tuse that. It's very difficult to rinse
right the meriadic acid off thoroughly,and even a small amount of residual acid
left on the concrete can inhibit properadhesion of your paint and you could end
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up with peeling paint and then continueto degrade your concrete. That acid will
continue to eat at that concrete couldeven reach the rebar, the reinforcement steel
that's in your concrete slab, andall kinds of bad things. The concrete
can spall break upon. Just imaginetrying to explain that to your wife.
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I atched the concrete and now there'sno garage floor. It's all crumbled away
to dirt floor. Now, Yeah, so don't use aeriatic acid. There
are concrete etching solutions that you canfind that you can use a little more
safely. You want to look forone that's a phosphoric acid based right etching
solution. It's going to be lessaggressive. Easier to rinse, and it's
also less irritating your skin, eyes, and lungs. Right, So get
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that etching solution, put it on, and then after etching, after applying
it, you're gonna rinse it reallywell, triple rinse it. Go over
and over and over until it's reallyrinsed, and then let the concrete dry
out for a few days before youmove onto a coating. You'll know that
you've rinsed it enough. If whenit's dry, if you see whitish areas,
you haven't rinsed it enough, sothen you can hit it again.
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Continue, don't let it get dry. Basically, rinse, rinse, rinse,
keep it wet when it gets dry. And now it's almost too late.
Now you can't rinse it anymore.All right. So that's etching with
an etching solution, and it's soundspretty straightforward. It's a pretty straightforward process,
but there are some drawbacks. Etchinglutionswon't work if your concrete is treated
with a sealer, and the onlyreal way to know if your concrete is
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treated with a sealer is to usethe solution. Doesn't working, yeah,
no, but you pour it onand normally on raw concrete. It's going
to fizz, yes, right,you'll see all these little bevels. And
if it's sealed concrete, it's notgoing to fizz. It's just hit it
like water. So it's not goingto do anything. Now at that point,
just you know, stop and you'regoing to have to proceed to another
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way of etching that concrete. Andwe'll talk about that in a minute.
Another reason etching solutions are not questionable, but you know something to consider some
issues involved. They need to bereally thoroughly rinsed. We already covered that
they can still present health and environmentalconcerns. Even though this is better than
the hydrochloric acid or the myriadic acidthat we used to use in the past,
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this can still cause chemical burns onskin, long irritation things like acid.
Right. Yeah. And finally,if you're acid etching a floor,
you can still get varied results dependingon the density and the prosody of the
concrete. It may not be completelyuniform across the board. A slab of
concrete isn't necessarily a continuous thing.There are places where it might be more
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porous and less porous, and theacid will have different effects in those areas,
so those are limits to using asolution to acid etch the floor.
There's another way of preparing that floor, a braiding that floor, and that's
to use a concrete grinder or shotshot blasting it. Now we rent out
our on floor machine which will functionas a concrete grinding tools. It's crazy.
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We use it on decks, weuse it on hardwood floors in the
home, and it can be usedto grind concrete for your gratge floor,
let's say. And it's interesting becauseit uses three different heads. You know,
when you're using it on a deck, the heads that are applied are
deck brushes, right, so we'regrasi brushes were eight on the boards.
But when we move to a gradgefloor, we've got different tools, different
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heads that go on that will allowit to really do a great job on
concrete. It's connected to a vacuum, so you're removing all the dust as
you go. It will give youa uniform right abrasion the floor and you're
ready to go for paint immediately followinggoing over that floor. Of the on
floor machine, you don't have towait any dry time like you would with
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the acid etching, right, Soreally grinding is preferred over acid etching.
It is the preferred method. That'sthe way to go that if you can
do everything to the best of yourability to get the best results. This
is how you would prepare that floorfor paint, using the on floor machine
or shot blasting or something like that. All right, once you've done that,
once you've acid etched the floor,if that's the route you go and
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you let it dry. Now it'stime to talk about paint. Which one
do you use, Which product isbest, which one's going to hold up
and give you the best results.We're going to take a break right now.
Grand Rapids listeners, you're going toget news and weather. At the
bottom of the hour. East Sidelisteners, you're going to get a repical
light rewind, and then when weall get back together for segment three,
we'll be talking about paint products foryour garage floor. What you need to
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know, which ones you want tolook for. That's all next. Stick
around and we're back. You're listeningto the rep Collite Home Improvement Show sponsored
by Benjamin Moore and Dan We're talkingabout painting a garage floor. You know,
it's one of those I wish Icould projects for a lot of us,
right or I hope to someday,or maybe I'm going to It's one
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of those things. We think aboutit a lot. And there are a
lot of diy kits all over theplace that make it seem crazy easy,
right, you know, just gohome and roll this on the floor and
there you go. It's like ironon your garage and it looks amazing.
You can have parties out there,everybody's happy, right, right. Well,
there's a lot more to the processand to the project than just rolling
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the product on. And in fact, we spent all of segment two on
the show talking about the different prepsteps involved, and really it was just
an overview. What we wanted todo was give you just a bird's eye
view of what the process looks like. So you see, there's a phaer
amount of work involved in getting goodresults, but it's fairly straightforward, straightforward
work, but you want to makesure you do it all. And we
know that a lot of this stuffis really in depth for a Saturday morning,
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and probably not the thing over thebulletials that everybody's just writing down notes
furiously and don't worry about that.Just kind of sit back and let the
process roll over, you understand andkind of get a view of it in
your mind. But if you needdetails or need more answers, any Repcollite
near you is going to be ableto supply all of those answers. And
also we've got all of this informationin our show notes, so check it
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out at repcoalite dot com. Now, all right, last segment we talked
about prep work and now we're upto the finished paint. You know what
do I pick what's best? First, let's start with some types of products
paint products out there that you wantto avoid, right, single component products
in contrast to a two component coatingwhere you mix part A and B together,
yea, those are the kind ofproducts that we want to use,
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the single component type that we don'tmix a hardener with it or a catalyst.
Avoid those they're generally not going tohold up. They're not durable enough,
they're not resistant enough to water andchemicals, even abrasion to really do
the job right. So single componentpaints, if that's what you're looking at,
I would keep looking YEA. Eventwo component water based epoxies though you
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talk about the two component mix,but if it's a water based epoxy,
that still probably isn't going to giveyou exactly what you want in an ideal
situation. Correct, So what werecommend is a two component and for lack
of a better way of defining it, I'm going to say a two components
solvent based paint right for your project. And we'll explain a little more about
that in a minute. And withinthis category of two component solvent based type
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products, there are three different types, or at least a few that we're
going to focus on. A solventthinned topoxy that's one one hundred percent solids
epoxy, a second one, andpoly aspartic, which I absolutely love to
say, it's so much fun andall of that can be you know,
it feels a little Greek to maybemost of us out there. Let's go
through each one and kind of giveyou an idea what we're looking at.
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And let's start with the solvent thinnedto POxy Solvent thinned poc see. A
couple of examples would be Repcolites polyglazeepoxy or the Benjamin Moore cortec V four
hundred. The advantages of using thetwo components solvent based epoxy is that it's
easy to use, it's very durable, it's forgiving, has lots of working
time, you know. You mixthese two components together and you've got plenty
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of time to work with them.It's available in unlimited colors, and it's
economical. It's probably the most economicalthing of what we're talking about here today.
All right, So something like repcolitespolyglaze like you mentioned, economical,
available in all the colors, easyto work with. Cons it's stinks,
yeah, smell in stinks in.Smell doesn't stink, right right, it's
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an odor thing. Yeah, there'sdefinitely an odor to that. What about
one hundred percent solids epoxy? Allright, so this is technically not a
solvent based epoxy because there's no solventpresent. Yeah, so what is it?
Yeah? I think that's very confusingfor people. Is it a bucket
of sand? Well, it's allsolid. Yeah, it's one hundred percent
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solid plastic. It's liquid. Obviously. You mix the two components together and
apply them to your floor, andeverything that you put down stays there.
Unlike most conventional paints, there's asolvent component that evaporates into the air.
And so if you're putting down sixteenthof an inch of coating let's say,
you know, and there in halfof that is solvent, or you end
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up with a thirty second of aninch thick of coating with one hundred percent
solids coatings. Everything you put downstays there because there's nothing to evaporate.
Now, rep Collite makes mirror POxysl right, and Benjamin Moore's core attach
V four thirty would be one thepros of doing that, and you hinted
at it. You end up witha beautiful, smooth, glossy finish.
It's amazing when it's all smooth andit looks like a mirror. It's just
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absolutely glossy, smooth, really reallydurable. And even though you know it
feels like you know it's it's notsolvent base like we talked about, but
it feels like one of those typesof products. There's still no odor to
this merchant, right, Yeah,there's no solvent. There's something to smell.
Those are really big pros. Thereare some cons though, Dan,
What are the cons? The bigone is because these codings go on much
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thicker than a conventional pain it costssignificantly more to use this on your floor.
You need a lot more of it, all right, So con it's
expensive. Limited color selection basically thatmeans they come in clear. A lot
of times people will use this asa clear coat over top of say a
stain, all right, like alike an oil stain. You mean a
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concrete stain. Oh, that makesa lot more say, yeah, you
don't really want to highlight that oilstain that you tried to degrease earlier.
And they can be pigmented to butoftentimes you see them as clear, all
right, So limited with the color, slow dry time and hardness development,
which means it's a slower to kinput your car back in the garage right
away. It might take a fewdays. Acid etching usually is not enough,
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right, The profile that's created byacid etching is not is not aggressive
enough, so you would need togo to actually the grinding, the grinding
and all of that and one otherthing. Let's say, Oh, application
is going to be different. It'snot just rolled on with a conventional roller.
You're going to squeegee this on,right, because it goes on so
much more thickly, such a muchthicker layer. The tools you use and
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the techniques are a little bit different. I mean it's beautiful, but there's
there's some things you got to do. One last thing. We won't go
too much into this, but youneed to use a sealer before applying one
hundred percent solid epoxies because you canend up with bubbles and things like that.
Yeah, there's there's a little bitof air, you know, voids
in the concrete and that'll show upas a bubble in the finish. Is
this really idea? This is aDIY problem? Oh? I know people
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that Oh yes, okay, sodefinitely can do it. You just got
to be aware of some of thosethings. Yeah, and you got to
take a step by step and don'tbe afraid to ask questions and we can
walk you through that. Absolutely.Poly aspartaic, Dan, let's get to
that one, the one you likethe name of I do. Poly Aspartic
is a relatively new technology and it'skind of a it has one foot in
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each camp of saying A you're athaner in epoxy. They're really different tech.
It's a different sort of chemistry,but it has advantages that on anything
previous to this doesn't have. NumberOne, it is super duper resistant to
chemicals, water, and abrasion,just amazingly resistant to that kind of stuff.
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It's Also it's dry and hard ina half a day. You can
drive back on the garage floor fourhours after you've painted. How does that
work with the polyglades? The veryfirst one that we talked about, the
solvent thinned epoxy, they're what wewould say, we would say somewhere between
one and three days of dry timebefore parking your in the solid one solids
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apoxy, maybe more like four fivedays. And then this one is we're
talking hours, right Polly aspartic hoursyou're back in the garage. That's pretty
good. Yeah, I like thata lot. Get the car off of
the driveway and back in the rog. What about some cons everything? You
just recommend this for everybody. Thisone is probably the trickiest one to apply,
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especially for a DI I wire thathas a very short pot life,
which means when we mix the twocomponents together, we don't have much time
at all, fifteen twenty minutes towork with it before it will harden.
So it's like it's like one ofthose Mission Impossible movies with like the timer
is ticking, the bomb is goingto go, or you've got to move.
If you work well under pressure,this might be the product for you.
You might love this product. Thisis a product that you wouldn't want
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to do by yourself. You wantto have a team of people, and
a team of adequate people, right, the best you can find your mission
impossible team, right, Like,don't have one of them be your dog,
okay, or even a couple ofmy kids that I'm thinking of.
Just get sidetracked two fast, right. Generally, the way it goes is
one person is mixing the two partstogether, one person is pouring it out
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on the floor, and another personis rolling it out. All right,
So you've got to move fast.Yeah, it can harden right in the
can. Oh yeah, fifteen minutesyou said, right there you go.
It's smelly. Yes, there's allof that limited color selection right again,
mostly clear clear, all right.So all of those are products types of
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products that we say will be greattremendously. Well, those are the things
that you want to be looking for, and that those are all four bare
concrete, you know, floors thathave not been coated before. What if
your floor already has paint on it. You know, what if we're talking
to somebody out there there floor hasbeen painted, it's maybe doing okay,
maybe it's not great, right,now can they use these on that surface
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or is there something else for them. There's a risk in the solvents that
are in these things attacking the coatingthat's on there and lifting it, making
it lose adhesion. What would yourecommend for that situation? So it's not
ideal, but the next best thingwould be a two component water borne epoxy,
and so an example of that wouldbe the Benjamin Moore Inselects garage guard.
So there are options out there.Some last random thoughts considerations before we
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wrap everything up and move on.One thing to think about. Be aware
that dirt and spills are going tobe more visible on a uniformly colored surface
than they are on natural concrete.Right. I always think about this with
like kitchen cabinets. You know,I've got oak stained and varnished oak kitchen
cabinets, And while I don't lovethat look, and get down there and
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start scrubbing the cabinets and you'll beblown away by how much gunk is clinging
to them. If you paint themall white, you're gonna see it way
fast. Same thing on the garagefloor. You may think you're getting a
surface that is more cleanable, andit is but it is going to showing
a little quicker. Also, paintedfloors tend to be really slippery when wet,
right, I don't think about that. It's like an ice rank out
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there. And you can add nonskid additives that could be mixed into the
paint that will reduce the slipperiness.Will also grab dirt. It also grab
dirt, and yeah, so you'reyou're fighting with that. One solution,
possibly a practical solution, would beto treat the walking areas. Right,
I've seen that that non skit additive, but it's still something to remember that's
going to make those areas tougher tosweep. Another thing before we wrap up
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entirely, there are marketing materials formany gradge floor coatings. We look at
them all over the place, andthey use language that says something along the
lines of it's hot tire pickup resistant. Right. That's a little deceptive,
right, Really, what they're talkingabout isn't the heat of the tire.
It's that the tires are when they'remade, they have a lot of plasticizer
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chemicals in them, and those plasticizerchemicals can migrate out of the tire into
the paint and soften it, andthen when you back the car out,
you're taking a patch of paint offand you run into that. That's a
concern no matter what you put onfor the most part. Yeah, and
the only guaranteed solution really is touse like a carpet matter something similar under
the tires when the car is parked, right, that's the guaranteed solution.
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Yeah. The idea of an immaculatelypainted garage floor is appealing, but often
the challenges with prep work and applicationof garage floor coatings can be a little
aunt. You know, after goingthrough all of that, there's an element
of this that's a little daunting.It is one of those projects that you
can do yourself. You just gotto go in with your eyes wide open
and you're mindful of the knowledge right, ask the right questions. But it
might be best to hire this onedone right and at any Repcollite store,
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we can help you with the informationyou need to tackle the project. We've
got the products that we talked about, and even more importantly, possibly we
can connect you with contractors who'll usethem. So if you are looking for
a contractor for a garage floor,or maybe for any project in your home.
Just head to repcalite dot com andthen we've got to find a contractor
tab right on the top menu.Just click that. There's a little form
that you can fill out, tellus what you're working on, where you
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are, and then we'll get yourthree names. Usually in about twenty four
hours, get three names that youcan contact of people in your area who
do that kind of work and whohonestly might have some openings in their schedule.
We try to work through all threeof those things to make sure the
information you get is actionable. Intelright right, all right, I think
we've covered as much as we reallycan cover. Yeah, everybody's kind of
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laying there sprawled out on the floor. Bullet cheerials has been spilled over.
You've heard all the information. Headto repcal light dot com. You can
check the show notes from our infoRight now, we're going to take a
break. When we come back,it's time for another You can't do that
segment. We've got something new inMichigan starting June thirty that you no longer
can do. We've got all theinfo. Just ahead, stick around.
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You can't do that, Dan.Lots of things that we can't do,
and we're gonna We're gonna tell youeven more of them. You're listening to
the Rep Go Light Home improvement showsponsored by Benjamin Moore. And Dan,
you've got something serious that you wantto talk about, a new law that's
going into place next week on Junethirty. But before we get to serious
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stuff, I wanted to look atother things that we can't do in Michigan.
And I know that there's always ridiculouslaws on the books. Right,
things cropped up in the eighteen hundredpeople didn't like, right, but some
of these laws stay on. Ithink this is hilarious, and there's a
couple that I think are really worthtalking about. Ed in the beginning.
Number one, destroying a vintage radioor a radio in general, I believe
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is illegal. Really, Yep,you can't go and do that. Why
would you want to? I can'timagine. Maybe Dan, the other Dan,
not me, says something that youdon't like and you throw your radio
out the window. That is acrime that should not be punishable by law
by death. Well I don't knowabout death, but yes, it's punishable
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by law of some sort. Ihave no idea. I think there's a
long law about all the different things. It has to do with communication devices
and you utility polls and things likethat. But the way the law is
worded, the utility could actually applyto appliances that convey a message, and
the radio is such an appliance andtherefore cannot be destroyed. Well, here's
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another one. It's illegal to paintsparrows. Oh, no, that that
goes my afternoon. I was goingto paint some sparrows. Well, and
the marketing campaign for next month isjust out the window. You know,
I thought that seemed like such abig thing. No, you can't spray
die or otherwise color a bird tosell it as if it were another species.
Oh gotcha. And you can't paintanimals in general to make them look
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like other animals and then sell them. So but if you you could painted
animals, say purple, if itdoesn't look like another animal when you're done,
See, this is why people throwthe radio out the window. Peta,
people are chucking the radio out thewindow. No, we don't recommend
painting any animals or animals. Noanimals should be painted. We don't like
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that, and it gets lost andnow we don't like it. Right,
one last one, it's illegal toserenade your girlfriend. Really yep. In
Kalamazoo, to serenade your girlfriend isillegal. Wow, oh yeah the voices
down there, people just carry adoone and no, it's completely unallowed.
And that makes sense to me too, because there could be a lot of
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sappie music. I don't want tobe listening right right, you know,
I don't even like it when they'vegot their radio on. Sometimes I want
to throw that radio right onto theroad. I might move to Kalamazoo.
It sounds soothing, exactly. Nowlet's get to the serious thing that we
can't do, and it's distracted driving, which should not be a disappointment.
None of us should be disappointed thatwe no longer can drive distractedly. But
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starting on June thirty, Michigan's handsfree distracted driving law goes into place,
and a number of things that wewant to talk about, basically, just
what does it all mean? Youknow, it's it's an expansion to what
I was going to say. Wehave already we're not allowed to text while
driving, right right, that's anolder law, and now they've expanded that.
And really what it boils down toa means is that you can't the
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driver can't hold or use a mobileelectronic device while behind the wheel. So
no sending or receiving phone calls ortexts. Okay, no watching, recording
or sending videos. Oh really,yes, it should not be a surprise.
No reading or posting on social medianetworking sites. That should not come
as a surprise. And yet,distracted driving makes up for about twenty five
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percent of all fatal crashes in Michigan. That's a lot. It's an incredible
amount and absolutely insane. You hada couple of issues, Dan that in
the past month, I've witnessed twoaccidents totally related to this, and you
had a couple of people almost driveyou off the road. Yeah. I
had almost ahead on crash because ofthis, because you just couldn't get off
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your phone. No, it wasn'tme, Dan, Right, I wanted
to clarify for the listeners. Somebodycoming at you just drift straight into your
lane. Right. And then Iwitnessed another pretty bad accident when I could
see the person was holding their phone. Bang. Well, you know,
when you're traveling sixty miles an hour, you're covering eighty eight feet per second,
So just looking away for that splitsecond, right, you know,
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think of all the distance that youcover in a vehicle like that. You
know, I started riding motorcycle.And while the distracted driving thing is a
big deal if you're in a carand all of that, I mean,
obviously it's a big deal, itreally gets in my head when I think
about as safe as I can beon the bike and doing everything I can,
I can't control somebody who's not payingattention. I'm already a little tougher
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to see. I'm little, soI'm even more tough to see. And
then if they're distracted, you know, and there's been studies at show that
people think they can multi task andthey can't. Nobody can. No,
I'm not even paying attention to whatyou're saying right now because I'm looking at
something else. But I would sayI could multi task. Now if you
break the lot, what are thepenalties, Well, the first time violator
(37:57):
is going to be one hundred dollarfine, or you're gonna have to serve
sixteen hours community service. A secondoffense is what like two fifty I think,
yeah, twenty four hours of communityservice. Yeah, fines are doubled
if the drivers involved in a crash. So a lot going on. Pay
attention to that the new band doesn'tapply to on duty public safety workers,
so don't be scoping out the police, the firefighters, and the paramedics.
(38:20):
No citizens arrest right andy figuring they'reexempt. You know they can do what
we're doing, right, And drivingwhile using a handheld device is also allowed
for all of us. If we'rein the middle of an emergency situation,
you know, we're calling nine oneone, we're reporting a reckless driver or
a crime, or an accident orsomethingbody else that's on their phone. Right,
if you want to tattle on somebodyelse, just make sure you've got
(38:43):
a really good reason pull off totattle. That's probably the smartest thing.
It's okay to use a dashboard mountas well as other hands free technology.
So if you do that, youcan touch your phone like swipe or one
touch of a button something like that. You just can't be whole holding it
in texting. Right, let's seethese numbers go down. That's the plan,
(39:05):
that's the hope, and that's allthe time we got. We're gonna
have to wrap it up. Ifyou want to catch this one again,
you can find it online at repcollitedot com. Whatever you do today makes
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