Jake Paul Unpacks His Boxing Legacy, Fighting Logan & Canelo | RING CHAMPS w/ Ak & Barak

Welcome to the debut episode of RING CHAMPS with Ak & Barak, in partnership with ATS Fight!  In this exclusive episode, the fellas sit down with two of the biggest names in boxing and entertainment: Jake Paul and Nakisa Bidarian. From social media sensation to becoming one of the biggest stars in boxing, Jake Paul opens up about his incredible journey, sharing his biggest mistakes, proudest moments, and what drives him to keep pushing the limits. Jake also teases some of his potential opponents in the ring, including his brother Logan Paul and boxing megastar Canelo Alvarez. Plus, hear the behind-the-scenes scoop from Jake’s memorable fights, including his encounter with boxing legend Mike Tyson. But it's not just about the punches — Jake and Nakisa dive into their powerful business relationship, discussing how they founded their own promotional company and their passion for giving back to the community. And the big question — when does Jake Paul plan to retire? All that and more in this epic first episode. You won’t want to miss it! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's going off fight fans to say, boy I and
I'm brought to boxing Bully and this is the first
episode of rink Chaps on all the smoke fights and
joining us today. Honor to have him in as a guest.
In my opinion, he is the definition of a trailblazer.
He's accomplished a lot, He's done a lot. I like
to introduce him as a professional boxer and promoter alongside

(00:29):
his advisor Nakisa Bederian, Jake Paul Nikisa, thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thank you. Episode one.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
That's right, Episode one, Thank you for having us. Guys.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
We had to go get a real boxer.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yes, no matter what everybody else said, exactly get.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
The face or, as he liked to say, the ascent
tits of boxing.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
At this point, I'm the whole model, whole box just
all of it.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Do you really feel that you're the biggest name in
the sport?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I know I am. Yeah, it's not even like a question,
you know, me and Mike Tyson. Mike's bigger than all
the other boxers, so it's it's me and Mike Tyson
up there on the throne. I think can join together.
But it's not even me feeling like it. It's just statistics.
It's the biggest fight in the history of the sport
of boxing. Most followers, most engagement, most views. There's not

(01:19):
really a debate.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
We'll get we.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Want to get into that Tyson stuff really quick. For
those that don't know, I just want to briefly touch
on Jake pull the boy in Ohio right like before
Vine was an outlet for you to express yourself. If
that platform didn't exist, what would Jake Paul be doing? Like,
would you be a principal mechanic? Like was there ever

(01:43):
thought of something else?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, I was actually training to become a Navy seal before. No,
I'm serious. Yeah, I wanted to fight for the country
and I didn't want to go to a traditional school
sit there. I have ADHD and I was an athlete
and I love everything to do with the military. I

(02:05):
still do. Like there was times in my career I
was like, fuck this shit, I just want to go
back and just like fight for this country.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
And when, at what point in your career did you think.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
That that was? Like throughout my early twenties, I was like,
fuck all this entertainment shit. I hated everyone in it.
People are fake, especially in this city of Los Angeles.
It's it's really like the Devil's playpen out here. So
there was multiple points. So I was like, I'm gonna
leave this. But when I was fifteen years old, yeah,
I was swimming across frozen lakes. My dad was making

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me do push ups, jogging, pull ups, all of this
stuff on par and pace with the Navy seal numbers.
And obviously I'm a good shot. I dropped my first
year when I was six, So I mean I would
have been a Navy seal for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah. So dang, you've been killing people.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, I all sorts of shit.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Alright.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
So you think you was disciplined enough for that because
I heard you say, you know, you was a bad study,
he was getting bad grades or whatever.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Did you get this?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
But only only because I didn't care. I was like, what,
what's the point of this?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
So the father was there and he was tough, But
did he discipline you?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure, for sure. Trying to ask, Yeah,
I got for sure, for sure, definitely got my ass.
But traditional blue collar you know, growing up military dad,
you know, uh, he was, you know, just doing what
he was taught by his father, you know, what I mean,

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so definitely very strict, and I think that's you know,
it's had its things that come from it that are
harder to deal with, like how to love someone, how
to engage, how to be normal, how to you know,
operate in life when you're raised like that. But it
also has its blessings on on the other side of things,
with hard work, discipline. You know, life to me is

(03:52):
easy because of how hard my childhood was, so he
prepared me for that.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Right, Like DMA said them beatings might have saved you.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, but he was why were you not like
being in school?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, when I dropped out of high school, I was
making already like ten thousand dollars pervine video and I'd
only gotten paid for like four of them. But I
mean forty thousand dollars was like how much my dad
was making. And he's like, you're fucking sixteen years old
or seventeen. You became a man in the house, you know,

(04:27):
my brother together, Yeah, we were like, what are you
going to tell us?

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Before I knew you, though, my kids and other people,
like young kids in the church, they used to say
that Logan Paul was the bigger star. Is that the case,
because the way you talk like you both were big
or you were bigger, it was.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, No, at the time, he was bigger. I think
the first video that we did that went viral, he
gained like five thousand followers and I gained like three
thousand followers. And it's always been that ratio this, you know,
that three to five ratio, like all the way up

(05:06):
until recently. What passed passed them? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Wow? Does and what happened when that happened? Did you
call him? Did you? Did he acknowledge it? You're saying
it now?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I know, I guess I'm just saying it now.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Wow. But but but statistically, even on YouTube, you had
more views. That is more viral music video. Everything has
been bigger over time in terms of what you've delivered.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, he just had more followers. But I was more
of a views guy for some reery. I don't know,
it's really weird, but man, I just looked up to him.
To me, it wasn't really like a competition until other
people made it a competition, and I thought he was
like he was always the one that I wanted to
be like and all this stuff. So I was just
like having fun making videos with my older brother. I
didn't look at it as numbers. I was like, we're

(05:50):
both rich, we're both famous. This is crazy.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
So when Vine stopped him because I got a friend
that was had a million followers on Vine, yeah it stopped.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
He had to go back to work. Yeah he part
of me comedian Chris, I love you, bro.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
But I think I've seen his vines before. Yeah, yeah
he was famous.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah he was Vine famous.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
That's crazy, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
And I did a couple of a with them. But
did you get discouraged?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, because I guess it was always like adapt and
just like figure out what was next. But also at
the time, like I moved to Los Angeles when I
was seventeen to do bigger things than social media. It
was always about acting in business, and so I was
already acting doing movies, so I was like, oh, this
isn't like that bad. And then everybody pretty much transferred

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to Facebook and Snapchat, so like you just kept the
ball rolling. Then all of a sudden, one day, instead
of making six second skits, we were making a minute
long Facebook videos and then you know that switched and
you know, social media. Every every week there's a new platform,
Like last year, literally early twenty twenty three, TikTok the

(07:00):
shit popping off. I'm getting forty fifty million views of TikTok,
and now the algorithm's change and TikTok's like a dead platform.
It's like a million, two million, three million. You have
to have like a crazy ass video to break through. Meanwhile,
Instagram reels three hundred million, four hundred million views, so
every week there's something new, and so you just got
to adapt and overcome.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Really, your plan was already in full effect, Like, so
vine didn't kind of get you off your path. But
I want to talk about social media right because obviously
it played a big part.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
In your career.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
So many people now today are complaining about what it's
doing to the kids, right to their children where they're
consumed with it.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Like what's the balance?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Like what what advice would you give a parent that
his child is on social media too much?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, I mean, don't raise the iPad kid. You know,
that's the fucking problem is these parents are lazy and
they get they stick the iPad right in front of
their face so that they don't have to watch them
for two hours. No iPads set screen time, have a
you know, dial phone, a flip phone up until they're
in high school. Like, that's the way I'm going to
raise my kids. But it's up to the parent, and

(08:10):
it's poisonous. Social media is a real problem. And I
see some of my own friends, I'm like, what the
fuck is your screen time?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Like, yeah, you are always on that shit at the
dinner table all this, and I'm like, what the fuck
are you doing? Set screen times?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Nickisa, you have you don't have kids yet, but you
have a son. How are you with him on social media?

Speaker 3 (08:32):
He has a social media account, but his mom runs it.
He doesn't even see it, right, very infrequently posts on it.
Most of his friends on his basketball team have social media,
so he's always like, why don't I have access to this?
And it's exactly what Jake said. He gets twenty minutes
iPad a day. That's it, right, It's really controlling how
how he consumes content. The reality is, though, it's not
just the kids, it's the teens, it's the young adults,

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and it's even like the older adults. Social media has
become the platform where you consume news, where you get
your updates, right, So it's really the reference point for
her content.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
But at the same time, this generation has the opportunity
to make money on social right and have a career
that's not traditional.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
Nah, it's tough. It's very very They all love the idea.
They all see Jake Paul and Logan Paul and whatever
else Paul that that do it, but it's it's very
hard to do.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
It's very hard. And you know how sometimes when you
become including comedian Chris that wasn't that's my boy?

Speaker 5 (09:34):
You know how, like when you become a professional and
you've been doing it and you got the views and
all of that, so you're doing content and you say,
this is gonna go crazy. But sometimes the ones you
think that want to go crazy gonna go crazy, don't
go crazy. What do you think is the most creative
thing you've done that didn't really hit?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Oh man, that's a great question.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
That's really tough. Well, there's been a lot of ship
be honest, Like all the ones that I like don't
do well. And then like me and my girlfriend walking
down the tunnel gets like three hundred million, that's what
I'm walking.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I'm like, Yeah, I second most viewed Instagram reel of
twenty twenty four globally walking Yeah at the Paul four seconds. Wow,
three hundred and thirty three million views as of today.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, I were dressed nice, yeah, but god no.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
But then I'm like, I've done ship where like I've
put trampolines underneath helicopters over the ocean and like jumped
down them and then it gets like a million views,
and I'm like, that's sick. It's a hell. It's it's
a trampoline under a helicopter flying through the air, and
it's like a million views.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
You're talking about walking with your girl, Are you ready
for children? Because I heard you on social media say
something about our kids. It was something you said on
social on her page about you guys as kids.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
No, no, no, I wanted to see how and she
won gold?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Right, yeah, yeah, she just won the European Championships and
the national championships. She's a beast. She's an amazing super athlete.
And yeah, no, like I want kids for sure. That's
that's my main goal in life is to just have
a ranch and raise my children there. And to I mean, yeah, yeah,
but she I mean, she still has her sport to conquer,

(11:21):
and so whenever she's done sporting is when we'll get
to babies.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
So she's the one for sure.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, for sure. I mean she's an amazing, amazing woman
and she's like no other. They don't make girls like
her these days, and she does it all and like
we just are best friends, laughing and always having a
blast with each other. And it's weird because she's Dutch
and like, I'm from Ohio. But somehow, when did you

(11:48):
meet Instagram gen z love? Yeah, but I asked her
to be on my podcast.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
But that was the whole was a plot and it worked.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, where'd you take it for your first date?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
The four Seasons? We had like a little breakfast date.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
It was very and then you ice skated with her too, right, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I tried to ice skate. It was bad.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Wait, so how did you meet him and what was
your first impression of him?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I got a phone call from a friend that said,
I need you to come and meet this this YouTuber
named Jake Paul. And I didn't know what Jake Paul was. Wow,
I was I think thirty. I was actually forty one
at the time, so I wasn't aware of Jake Paul.
He said, it's a YouTuber who wants to fight he
wants to box old than forty one. Now I'm forty seven. Yes,

(12:39):
we met five years ago, and I said, okay, but
I don't really know much about boxing. Actually, Like my
background was MMA. I was the UFC CFO Chief Strategy Officer.
But I'm happy to meet with him if you want
me to.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
According to Dana, you didn't have that high title.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's technically a CFO is an account right, Yeah, so
that's where he that's where he like because he's just
trying to be funny.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah. So I met Jake, and right away I noticed
the opportunity was that he had a built in captive audience,
which is, you guys know, very common in ball and
stick sports, but unheard of in combat sports most of
the time. Only a few rare examples where that's not
the case. Brock Lesnar come into the UFC had built

(13:28):
in audience, right see him punk And then you can
say the Olympics bring some audience for some of the boxers,
but really they still come into the sport and they
got to build names built Jake RDI maybe maybe, but
not on that scale where the lack of experience could
be made up for with audience, right, truth me totally

(13:50):
had one amateur fight at the time, and he wanted
to get into boxing as a bro. So I saw
that opportunity. I also saw a fairly unfocused young man
who wanted to box, who wanted to wrap, who wanted
to act, who wanted to be an entrepreneur, who wanted
to like make viral content. He was twenty two years old,
and that all made sense. And I saw the biggest
thing I saw, and we just came from a big

(14:11):
meeting where we talked about it is a guy who
wanted to put fighters first. And my first meeting with
this dude, he said, I want to start a fighter's
union because fighters don't get paid the right way.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
I'm not gonna lie. I thought you was lying when
you said. I thought you was first meeting, and I said,
I'm not interested.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
Trying to get the fans. But that's really.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
They'll never like me. I don't need to get people,
you know, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm very
genuine about that, and it still needs to happen, and
there's a lot of a lot of work to be done.
But like Mike Tyson said, like I'm the anti hero,
I'm the one that's actually helping everybody, the only one
that's actually helping everybody.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
On his two feet in dependent but.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Is labeled as the opposite.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
You're okay with being a guy that's hated, right, but
you're family oriented person, you love your family. You obviously
have feelings, right, Does anything bother you that's put out there? Like,
can you give me one comment or one sound bite
from somebody that it really bothered you?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
It used to. I can't name the last time it
actually has, like it's been probably two three years.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
But what was it that bothered you at the time?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I think before me trying to like prove myself maybe
with boxing, so there'd be like some things that people
would say, right, But I'm just like so confident in
my ability and what I'm gonna do. I could really
give a fuck. But it is a twelve year practice.
I started getting viewed when I was fifteen, you know,

(15:46):
almost sixteen years old, and so I was getting the
comments since then. And it's taken me eleven years to
basically eleven twelve years to be numb to it and
really not give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
So you dealt with it for all of those years,
and it bothered you Reading YouTube.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Exactly every day or a year, I would get a
little bit better, and now it's to the point where
like I just don't care.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
You didn't see what I said, Kisa, back to your
first meeting with him and he said, I want to
be a boxer. You coming from the UFC, did you
say to yourself, like, student is nuts, Like he's going
to be a professional boxer.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
No.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I saw opportunity because of the audience and if he
was dedicated enough that we could actually disrupt and do
big things. I helped him with his first fight. He
had an offer on the table from Eddie Hearn. It
was for half a million dollars, and I said, let
me help you, and we're going to increase this offer,
and we did a deal with John Skipper. He made
a lot more than half a million dollars. He thought,
who was the guy who had leaned that card? Booboo?

(16:43):
And yeah, he filled up the spot. A lot of
people left after he fought, and he you know, tk
O that dude in the first round.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
And that's also where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Mandiana Amanda was on that card fighting for like six
thousand dollars right under Edie Hearn card right seven division champion,
seven division champion. But him and I after that fight
split apart because he was still I think he put
out like a music a rap video like two days later,
and I was like, okay, well this is great, Like
you're doing all these things. He made a video attacking
Connor McGregor, who had a great relationship with and I

(17:14):
was like, okay, this is not for me, you know
much love good luck.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
So that wasn't like public because no, it.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Wasn't a few.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
It was just like he had his priorities in the world,
was his oyster, and he's like, I don't really need
this account.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I was just like, bro, like I didn't understand yet
that I was like, fully gonna be a boxer full
time like other things. Yeah, exactly like music business. And
I was kind of just doing it all. I just
knew I didn't want.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
To do YouTube. And he had random people calling him,
I'm gonna pay fifty million to do this. I'll pay
you twenty minute. A lot of that is huff and puff,
and then when you get down to it, it's not there.
And then six months later somebody called me to help
this company called Triller, who had won the rights for
Mike Tyson's comeback fight against Roy Jones, and they also
didn't know anything about boxing. So I came in are

(18:00):
to executive produce that event. Really led that charge for them,
and I convinced Mike Tyson and Triller that they had
Mike and Roy, but they were missing gen Z. Jen
Alfo wasn't a focus yet but gen Z and I said,
the answer to that, antidote to that is Jake Paul.
And I went to Jake and I said, I have
this opportunity for you, but I'm only going to pay
you five hundred thousand dollars. He's like, what, you just

(18:20):
got me this much? I said, this is the opportunity.
I said, but if you do this and you shine,
you're going to take over boxing.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
And that was against Nate Robins.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Nate Robinson. We made that for Nate Robinson was calling
him out by the way, right, just be clear. Number one,
Number number two, there was articles put out that said
it's irresponsible of Triller to put a YouTuber in the
ring against a professional athlete, right, that was the sentiment
switched so fast he destroyed Nate Robinson. The next day
there was articles that was irresponsible to put a YouTuber

(18:49):
who led to throw a punch against in there with
an NBA player, but all the same, he owned the night.
I never worked with Triller again as an executive producer,
but I helped him on his next fight. We got
twelve million dollars for his next fight to fight Ben Askron,
and he demolished Ben Askron at Mercedes Benz Stadium. Justin
Bieber performed as a part of the event, but it

(19:10):
was much more of a shit show than the Tyson
Jones event.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Speaking of that real quick, I have to ask you,
because it's been out there. Tyson and Roy has mentioned
that they never got fully paid for that trailer card.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Do you know anything that's one hundred percent not true.
They didn't get paid what they deserved because they cut
bad deals. I didn't cut those deals. I inherited those deals.
They sold the rights for the entire event to Triller.
No upside. That event at one point eight eight million
pay per view buys to this day, the biggest number
of buys not revenue, because we charged fifty buys since

(19:43):
the pandemic.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Wow, they didn't.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Get the upside Triller did just Tiller took that money
and gave it all to Jake in the next fight,
and Justin Bieber and Sweetie and not Diplow. No, I
mean that was that was that was Triller's move, right,
and he fought Ben Askron. He and I had Ben Askrin.
That was when Dana White was making the rounds. He
about a million dollars this kid in a real fighter.

(20:05):
He'll put Ben Askron in camp with Freddie Roach. He
never liked Ben Askrin. That's when I started to see
Dana shifting and I was I was confused. I didn't
understand why he was going at this kid. Jake was
making videos clown in Dana. That's just Jake being Jake, right.
I remember saying to Jake, like, I know Dana. He's like,
just tell him, I'm a crazy kid. So okay, But
then Dana started actively attacking this twenty four year old man.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's where the steroids and fights rigged. That was after
both from Dana's.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Mouth, So that was yeah, and that was really you know,
After then Askering fight, we got together. He saw the
calling for boxing. He wanted to focus on it full time,
and that's when we did a deal with Showtime and
started MVP. And we started MVP with three critical things.
Number one was being fighter first. I learned so much
from the UFC, greatest organization in the world, but you

(20:52):
cannot lie to the public. UFC fighters don't get a
high percentage of revenue relative to other sports. He wanted
to change that, believed in it. The second big priority
for us, which we've proven, was putting women on an
equal platform to men. Right as of today, it'll change
significantly over the next twelve months, but we work with
twelve fighters for those are women, So from a percentage perspective,

(21:14):
we've had a focus on women, getting them paid, giving
them platform, giving them push, and that was another priority.
And third was given young boxers a platform and that's
how we started MVP.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
What would you say is the biggest mistake that you
guys did on this MVP journey that you learned from?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Lots of mistakes man, to be honest with you. One
of them was accepting the Hassim Rahman fight on short
notice when Tommy Fiery pulled out because we had MSG booked.
We broke records on the pre sale. It was insane, insane,
so we knew that event was going to be a smash,
and it eventually was a smash him versus Tommy Fiery
is still one of the biggest fights of the past

(21:52):
three years. And then it wasn't my idea, it wasn't his.
It was a member of his team who said, here's
a perfect replacement. Hasim rath Rahman, son of a champion
before he sparred him before Heavyweights.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
He fired that person that suggested that, or he's still
on your team.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I think they're technically fired.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I thought he was going to beat you. Yeah, that listen.
At that time he was going.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
At that time, Jake was fighting at one eighty five,
Jake was still a young man going into his body.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Right.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
A lot of people don't realize, like this is now
becoming a twenty eight year old man. When you're twenty
four twenty five, your body still developing. Rathman was a
big dude.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
We had whipped his ass and sparring, but we agree.
He claims he claims that he wasn't trying, but he
fucking was. He really was, which is why you see
him freak out afterwards, talk about he's going to go
to the car and get his gun. You only do
that if you're trying. And then he lost, you know,
so you're working with me, then you're not going to
be mad that I beat you.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
And basically we did a deal a certain weight, and
it became clear to us he wasn't going to make
weight and he was going to hold us hostage at
the last second and say either fight me as I
am or you lose all the money on the event.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
And that's really the only mistake, though I can't think
of it.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Like that like small ones, but that was like that
was a lesson in boxing and someone being able to
squeeze you at the last second. So we stepped away
from that.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
So then what's your greatest accomplishment? Because when you first
came into boxing, you know, I didn't like some of
the antics you did outside the ring, but I would
always say, but he's getting in the ring, so he's
taking the same risk as any other boxes taking.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
So you got to respect that at least, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
So, but when you helped out Aman of Serano, I
just want to tell you how I felt.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
I knew her since she was a teenager.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
Yeah, I knew she didn't have her own place, like,
she didn't have a card, she didn't have nothing, and
she was champion more decorated than anyone, and you changed everything.
I will always respect you for that, both of you.
Is that your biggest accomplishment or that's.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Just how I'm feeling.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
No, No, that definitely is for sure, And he always says
that by far in his life. The fact that she's
a millionaire and and you know, has a bunch of
big fights on the horizon, et cetera. Most viewed women's
sporting event of all time.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
And speaking of that, you know, I recently interviewed Clarissa
Shields and we touched on a lot of things. Right
before I get into the let's focus on Amanda Serrando.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Right, So, what the hell was that what I did?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
No, let's go back, No, no, no, because there's a
lot to touch on here. Right First, Amanda Serrando. Again,
I agree with with Barack on everything that you guys
have done for a man.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
There's no one more deserving.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
She's a phenomenal athlete and sport to the sport entire life.
The argument was that the main event was Jake Paul
Mike Tyson and the people were there for that fight,
so she didn't want to give any credit to Amanda
and Katie fight because people weren't there for that. They
obviously could have changed the channel, right, and they stayed

(25:04):
and watched the fight because it was that entertaining.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
So she's saying.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
That that fight shouldn't get the credit because they didn't
headline the card.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
What's your response to that.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
My response is not directly to that. It's more of
a response to who she is as a person, which
is a bitter, jealous loser and no one likes her,
Like the best thing that she should do for her
brand is to not talk and just fight, and like
people would maybe get behind her, but she's like a

(25:37):
basically a child who grew up into an adult body
and it is just like a fucking cringe cringe loser.
I mean, she went everything like but you can be
you can win accolades, you can win accolades but still
be a loser. I mean it's like, I mean, look
at Eddie Hearn exactly same shit. So like, at the

(25:58):
end of the day, I'm not I wouldn't respond to
like her claims because anything out of her mouth is
just bull.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
But sorry to answer that point. In terms of that
specific question, we were criticized for making them the co
main event to Jake Paul and Mike Tyson. All of boxing,
including Clarissa Shields, said those two should be the main event,
and we said repeatedly, we're strategically putting two of the

(26:23):
best female athletes, we believe, two of the best athletes
in the world, right before Jake and Mike, because we
want as many people to see two women competing in
the sport of boxing as possible. So absolutely, Clarissa, you
were right that the viewers were higher than they would
have been if Katie and Amanda were headlining the card,
But that was all done on purpose, purpose and the

(26:45):
sport has taken gotten the benefit of that. And guess what,
Katie and Amanda now are gonna get even bigger paid
than they've gotten and five except what Clarisa's ever been paid.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
And they have biggest stars now speak speaking of that, obviously,
you're not too far to Clarissa. She said she would
go down to one forty seven to fight, says she'd
fight Jake Paul.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, well, I'm not saying I'm not fond of her.
I don't care. I could care less about that human
that exists on the planet. But like I'm telling you
who she is person forget the truth, like I operate
in a state of truth in my life, and I'm
just telling the truth on who she is. I don't care.
I could give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
We don't spend time talking about I get that, but
a man I heard Jordan, Amanda's manager to say, say
that he would fight Clarissa. She says she would come
down on one forty seven. We know that's big for Amanda,
but as her promoters, would you guys be interested in
Clarissa Amanda's around at one forty seven? Can that happen?

Speaker 3 (27:42):
We're interested in whatever Amanda is interested in, right and
so right now we're focused on figuring out the roadmap
for Jake and Amanda. And as soon as we're finished
on our side of what our room map is, then
we'll go to these other fighters and make give them
life changing opportunities. That's how we look at it.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
And she also said, I mean, but.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
A man surround will one hundred percent fight Clarissa Shields
if we asked it right.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
She also said, did you watched the clip with her
saying that she would beat you in a professional prize
fight with ten house gloves, no hedge? Did you see
did you see the clip?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I've heard her say this, like, I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Anytime she has a fight, that's what she goes to.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Can I just show you this clip? Can you just
respond to the clip? Can I show you?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (28:21):
He wants you to see it because he's in here.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Who's that handsome dude with the fear and asking the question,
but what do you think about my beard?

Speaker 4 (28:30):
It's going to show you my fit for the day.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
And if that fight, if that fight presented herself, it
will be no question.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
You'll say yes, ten house gloves, no hedgear. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
He's a big guy.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'm a big woman, the.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Biggest and strongest man. Don't want all the fight.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
I mean, I hear you. They don't all the fight.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
So what's the difference here?

Speaker 4 (28:51):
I've bought.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Difference is she got dropped by one hundred and thirty
and you are a woman.

Speaker 6 (28:57):
Man.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
I got you. He gotta, he gotta, I have am
I get it?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
But what about the skills that I have? That doesn't
matter because.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
There's a port of course, I'm not gonna say.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I'm not saying that you you'll be here.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I'm just we spent too much time.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So in any case, he would he.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Would never do it.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Number one, Number two, As I said, the footage is there.
She got dropped by one hundred and thirty five poundered
journeyman who then she said, he had cement in his
gloves and that's why she was dropped. It's not even
something to be discussed. It's never a consideration. She's on
her media tour trying to get clicks, to get people
to pay attention to the forty two year old woman
that she's fighting, who has five fights in total. Totally cool.

(29:37):
She spent her whole career talking about how Jake fights
older people and she, the quote, is fighting a forty
two year old woman who has five fights.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
But why an't we just talking about the Olympics and
you know, saying that men shouldn't be fighting women?

Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know, absolutely, So that's why I don't.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
I did say that you would never fight it.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
No, that's right, Like I don't, I don't respond, I
don't engage.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
He's seen it because a lot of people send it
to him, right, not because he's actually I've never seen much.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
You never saw that fit he had.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Oh my gosh, his new show he's gonna see though,
all right, So listen, you said that he did so
many things.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
You know, you did rap in and all of this stuff,
and I was telling, you know, the kid could rap
a little bit like that.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
For sure, I'm better than ninety nine percent of rappers
out there. That's that's what's funny about it. It's all
especially it's just a brand, a branding and image thing
that people like didn't want to like my rap because
it was like the YouTube for sure thousand.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
So if you had an opportunity to work with any
rapper today, who would it be.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I mean, I don't even know Drake Travis, like those guys,
I liked them a lot.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
In your opinion, who won that beat between Drake, Drake
and Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Well, I think Drake did, but just because family matters
is a better track. And the fact that the whole
thing about like pedophile is a lot it's just like
made up and that people like ran with that. But
if we're beefing, like again, I operate in truth, so
like what's the truth? And at the end of the day,
like people loved that thing, But obviously Drake has more

(31:10):
to lose. The higher you climb, the more they want
to take you down. So of course, you know, Kendrick
is shooting up and pulling down the goat, and that's
why people, you know, in our society, they love to
see that. They love to see the big man fall.
And so no matter what, Drake was gonna lose, I lose.
I hate that he got involved in it, you know.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
So, but isn't that like a trolling move by Kendrick,
Because have you ever been outrolled before?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
No, I haven't, But that's that's but no, no, but
that's that's the thing. Like obviously that was it was
smart on Kendrick's part for sure, and then to get
you know, the other fifteen to twenty rappers to all
be in on it one verse twenty because of course,
you like, you know, it's the same as boxing wrap.

(32:02):
The rap music industry, the egos are so big. So
if they're all looking at the number one guy for
the past however many years, they all want their shot
and to believe their own story that it was them
who helped Drake get there and all these things. So
men are the most egotistical, like competitive, They're gonna try

(32:22):
and rip down the number one guy. So you can't
you can't win that.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Who came closest to out trolling.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
You, nobody, I don't know, come on, you had I
was like good.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
And you had to see something and say, oh, that
was a good one. You might have came back stronger,
but somebody had to hit you hard and be like, damn,
that was good.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Definitely wasn't Tommy Ferry Connor.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
He's not, you know, Connor.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Connor was good against Floyd when it comes when it
came to Louis Garbage, he was great.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
He was great.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Nobody, I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Not even in the YouTube world with you guys get
paid for talk.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I would say the other best shit talker is probably
a KSI.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Okay, but like so still can't compare.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, let's talk about the UFC real quick.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Well, Dana White, No, he has.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
He's trying to start a boxing league in Saudi, Saudi
Boxing League. He's talked about being involved in boxing so
many years and never really pulled the trigger.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
He's been involved, man, That's that's the misconception. Right. His
first show came out in twenty fourteen on Discovery. It
was canceled after one episode. Right right, It was a
focus on boxing. He's been pushing this Irish kid for
like three years. Who's now calling Jacob pussy and Jake
would never fight me? My man, you just went to

(33:43):
Dublin in your hometown and sold three thousand tickets with
Dana pushing you. He's twelve fights in, he's selling seventy
two thousand, Like, it's not comparable.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Yeah, and I don't.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
I don't like anything Danna says about boxing because he's
constantly attacking it and saying that it's not what it
once was. Obviously, you know, MMA fighters are going into
the boxing ring to make more money, so obviously it
must be doing well.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Also, MMA is not what it was. That's the truth
of the matter. Boxing is bigger than ever. The biggest
sporting event of the year and twenty twenty four was boxing,
whereas MMA is becoming a shittier version of boxing. Essentially
it's kickboxing because everyone is getting good takedown defense and

(34:25):
everyone's a black belt in jiu jitsu, so there's no
more submissions. Really no, there's not a lot of takedowns,
and even if there is, this fucking boring, but everyone's
good at takedown defense, so it's literally kickboxing. Guess who
the biggest star of the sport is in MMA, Alex Perreira,
who's a kickboxer, because he's knocking everyone out, blah blah blah,

(34:47):
and and he's the best one because no one can
take him down, no one can submit him. So he's
just knocking everybody out. But the UFC has less significant
strikes per round, and that's with five minute rounds. So
boxing is going to stand the test of time because
it has. It's been you know, since the fifteen hundred,
so five six, six hundred years of boxing. I don't

(35:09):
think MMA. I'm not long MMA because it's becoming boxing.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
So he won't succeed in the boxing world. Dana White,
in both your opinions, I'm.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Not saying that he's already failed, but he's been in it.
It's fine. He's he's doing UFC, he has a slap
contest league that's you know, going on. He's pushing skateboarding,
pushing seriously, which is great. Like he has platform. He's
really an influencer at this point.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Right, No funny, that's funny, it's the truth.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Right, if you look at his platform and how he
exercises his reach, and so he's going to try to
influence a new boxing league which is no problem.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
I mean, I love your take against Dane White. I
always sided with you. How do you how do you
you and your brother are so close right when your
brother was doing business with Dana and KSI, I don't
think it's as bad as that Dana White and forth
with you and Danny.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Danny gets disrespectful. You've been disrespectful. How does that work? Like?

Speaker 1 (36:05):
How can you your brother work with this guy that
you really don't like.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. I don't know, it just
it it is. I guess it's just business at the
end of the day. But what I don't like is
that my brother could technically do business with them but
still choose a side. But he doesn't do that. And
that's what I don't like is he is he's like
friendly to both, but he could still Prime pays the UFC,

(36:35):
you know, to be a sponsor. Logan could publicly back
me and the UFC can't do anything about that. Yeah,
that's that's the part where do you.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Ever say something like Logan like you don't like this dude?
Like do you ever have that type of conversation?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Not really, because I know he's not going to do
anything to change it.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
What about the KSI relationship with him?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Same thing is because something he's he's just like wanting
ever like to play both sides.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, I don't know. He does great business, that was right.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I felt like Jake didn't really love that.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Oh yeah, so I was wrong. I was just saying that.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
That's that's the thing at the end of the day,
Like if someone says anything about my brother like I'm
ready to fight, so it's like, I'm just that's just
the way I was. I'm different in that sense.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
So I didn't know that it was Dana that started
the the thing about you know, your fights being fixed.
I do realize kept building. I remember him saying that
I forgot that he started after.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
He knocked out Tyron Woodley. It came up the next day.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
It's always those kind of fighters that the public thinks
that should beat you, that that's the narrative.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Like Tyson.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
Literally everybody I speak to to this day, they're like, oh,
that fight was rigged right, And I'm like, come on, man,
millions of I was bet on that fight, So does
that ever discourage you? Like, no matter who you actually fight,
that's going to be the narrative that you're paying them
to lose.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
No, I mean at the end of the day, I
look at it as a compliment because people can't even
comprehend the things that I'm doing, then they have to
chalk it up to something illegal, to drugs, to whatever
it is. So I could look at the negative of
it all. But when it's all said and done and
I'm world champion and I beat the Canelos and all

(38:30):
those things, people will will look back and be like,
oh wow, this is fucking insane that this kid did it.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
We just yeah, now, I know.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
I mean, I remember your Ngle. In my opinion, this
is my opinion. Your Ingle was like KSI. When you
first started, I was like, okay, eventually they gonna build
up fight right with KSI. I thought that was going
to be something crazy. Now you've gotten so good that
we was like nah, yeah, but come on, hello, bro, Yeah,

(39:01):
when when.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Do you when when do you think you'd be ready
for him?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
As soon as possible? As soon as possible?

Speaker 4 (39:07):
He asked you guys a question.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
He's not a monster. What in my.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Pads for him?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
He hits hard like a heavyweight.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Jake Mike Tyson in the US or Jake and Canelo.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Jake and Mike Tyson in the US.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Jake and Mike Jake versus Mike Tyson, the fight that
just happened.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Versus Jake and Canelo in the US. What's the bigger fight?

Speaker 4 (39:30):
I say, Jake and Mike Tyson.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
You think so because I think Mike's famous person on
the planet.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Everybody knew about that fight.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
I think it's going to be huge, huge, But you
know why it's going to be big because everybody feels
Canelo is going to.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Not So this is the thing, is everyone's going to
tune in to like want to see me, like Muhammad
Ali die yes. And and the fact that there was
a lot of ship around Tyson being like old and
fourteen ounce loves two minute rounds.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah yeah, but would that fight be a legitimate ten
ounce uh ten round fight against Canelo?

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Want twelve rounds?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Twelve rounds?

Speaker 1 (40:09):
So you won't ask for anything to be changed as
far as like with the you.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Never asked for anything.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
I'm not saying yeah, but every fights for the fourteen
ounce gloves.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
No, No, I wanted ten.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
They wanted sixteen. That was the one thing where Jake
pushed back on and really fourteen the fight was to
be an exhibition, Mike and his team pushed for it
to be a pro fight. Jake said, if that's what
they want, no problem, and we got the commission comfortable
with the modified rules, which were really two minute rounds
like the women fight, right, which we're pushing for the
women to fight three minute rounds. But you can't go
both ways. Oh women can't go three but men can,

(40:43):
but men can't go to No. It was it was
a professional fight with with modified rules, and for Mike Tyson,
it was his chance to like right the wrongs of history.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Man.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Imagine he knocked his dude out, the legend that he
would become even more so in his life. So that
that's why it ended up the way that it did.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Do you think if you had ten ounce gloves you
would have stopped Mike? But it did seem like you
held back towards the end of the.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, I did. There was a point where, like early on,
I seen his eyes roll back and he like stumbled,
and I was just like, this is not thank you.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
You don't want to.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I still was going, you know, and boxing and going.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
But he had a defensive strategy. Wasn't going into getting
but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I didn't want to feel one of his punches, so I.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Was like, smart, think about the end of the fight.
Jake bowed to him. There's still ten seconds left. Mike
put out his hand. Jake didn't take that. I know.
Jake went back in the stands because he's like, I'm
not coming in close.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
I've seen Floyd versus Ortis. I'm not doing that ship exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Speaking of that fight, I mean, how do you how
does Jake ni Kissa? How do you guys top something
like that? I mean, over one hundred million people watched
that supposedly, you know, the website, the platform crashed for
a few right because they.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Never forty percent of internet bandwidth that night was watching
Jake Paul Versus of the internet band with us.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
That's insane. That's insane. That's insane.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
That's like half the country's watching a fight.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Did do you do you know of any new subscribers
that Netflix got from that fight?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
We don't know, but there is reports out that they
added one point four four million subscribers for the fight,
which when you think about a platform that is as
saturated as they are, right, which has two hundred and
eighty five million subscribers. It's a monster number.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
That's huge. We fighting on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Moving forward, We're figuring it out.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
It was a smile there. It was like it was like, Jake,
don't say nothing. All right, we're gonna bring out rumors now.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Rumor here is.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Connor McGregor in India. That's what was brought to me today.
Is there any kind of truth to that.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
There's no will where Connor McGregor is fighting anyone outside
of UFC for the next two fights. That's pretty clear though.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Us contractionally that he hasked it.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
But is that the next would that be that big
fight besides Canelo obviously.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
But I don't think McGregor would fight me. I've been
saying that. I said cass I won't fight me, and
I said McGregor won't fight me.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
It's kas I still talking.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
They talk about Jake every chance, every.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Interesting epitome of his career, and to me, he's like
a like a side.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
If you look at any list in boxing, the most
influential trends, box rack, whatever you want to look at,
Jake is in the top ten every single thing, and
by the way, fifth most search athlete in the world.
Twenty twenty four, tenth, and twenty twenty one, So not
a one time occurrence. Chas I is not in the
conversation of boxing. So that's that's something that's a make

(43:46):
good for him at some point if he wants to
do it. People make fun of the fact that I
was like, sure, show up with one hundred million and
he'll cut to one eighty five, and like, oh, but
he'll cut to one eighty five for Canelo. Well that's Canelo.
That's an honor to get in the ring with Canelo
and have an opportunity to shock the world.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
What does he need to fight ks.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I for because a bunch of kids on the internet
want to see it.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
That fight wouldn't be competitive in my opinion, No, disrespect
the case. I just think you you repeat that again,
dispect my guy JJ, but just levels above you now, Turkey.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Follow he's petty like that. He's like he's like he's
still he's got like high You still follow him? Yeah, yeah,
I know, because like I need to, I need to
keep tabs on him.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
But I don't follow him like I don't care, Like.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I'm being honest. I mean this is my my analysis. Now,
Turkey Alaska is a disruptor as well, like you guys
disrupted this industry for the better. Obviously, fight fans feel
he's done the same. Would you would you guys consider
doing business with Turkey and Riad season? Has there any
has there been any conversations with that side of the world,

(44:58):
and what's your take on what he's done.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
In a sport.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
I would say, you know, Jake did a fight in
Saudi if you recall against Tommy Feery. That's before Turkey
became involved in the sport of boxing, extremely successful event,
right A heard ninety thousand global pay per view bys
Saudi was a great partner to us. They paid a
host fee and we got to distribute the fight globally,
and you know, Jake was the promoter of that event.

(45:24):
I think what's happened with Riodd season has been amazing
for the fighters. I think it's been amazing to a
certain extent for the fans, and you know, we think
they're going to continue to do great things. Jake can
talk about whether he wants to fight again in Saudi
or not, but I think part of the issue in
fighting in the Middle East was he was allergic to dust,
which is pretty crazy. To be allergic. And just five

(45:46):
weeks before the fight, I saw him and he was
against Tommy and he was coughing. He was coughing, and
I said to Marcos, I don't know if Marcos is
in here, has he's seen a doctor. He's like no,
he just says he's going to get better. I was like, this, dude,
doesn't seem that well. Man, We're going to set up
a doctor. We were in Riad for a press conference.
Tommy didn't show up. Good smart move on Tommy's part.
On the Monday, he went to the doctor in Dubai

(46:06):
and they said right away, you're not sick. Your lungs
have dust in them and you're allergic to dust. That's
why you're coughing. That's why you're having problems breathing. So
I'm not sure if he ever wants to fight in
the Middle East again, knowing that you know scenario, But.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
What about doings I've ever been allergic to?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
What about doing business with Turkey if it presented itself.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I like, I like fighting where like a lot of
US fans can be there.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I think, well, he does something.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
He did a show here in La Crawford Versus Magic Season.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
I think we would love love the freat season. I
wanted to sponsor one of our events. Yeah, but these
are MVP events. This is this is the brand that
we're building focused on gen Z and Jen Alpha for
the youth of the world.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Wait, wait, what's Jen Alpha?

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I never heard of that twenty ten, twenty ten to
like January first. Now it's Jen Beta. I got a
Jen alf was just a ten year old of twelve
year old, the fourteen year old that's the real fan
of the future, right, that's the mind that he touches.
That's why I said to you at the number two
most viewed reel of twenty twenty four. He has the
number one most viewed reel of any person in the

(47:15):
world in twenty twenty four, right, and that's connecting to
young audiences globally.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
I remember Jen thesis back in the day. But the
fight that I want to see basically is you and
Tommy Feury again. Why haven't that fight happened? Why hasn't
this happened?

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Bad advice?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, he mean he was supposed to be the original
person on Netflix, and he like thought he was worth
more money. His Dadager is a fucking adh This guy,
it's bad. I feel bad.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
A lot of dadagers in boxing.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
He's you know, a somewhat of an airhead, and he's
listening to his father, who's also an airhead, and so
you know, when you add one plus one equals, you
know he's going to turn down the biggest paid of
his life, the most.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Viewed fight of his life, the biggest brand building opportunity
of his life.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
And you know, just ego, it's it's typical boxing.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
The biggest fight anyway though, No, but it was tommy
biggest opportunity.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's his biggest opera.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
To be the first professional live sporting event on Netflix
was going to be big.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
There is four conversations happening at a time with different opponents.
It was you know, Tommy, Mike Tyson, and so.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Can we hear the other two? Please don't come on,
give us something, come on a lot.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
But did you see a lot of Paul?

Speaker 4 (48:44):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
You serious?

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Only?

Speaker 3 (48:48):
And I talked to them both. If it was going
to be a straight up, true, real fight, right.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
You would really fight your brother in a real That
was a moment.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
That was a moment.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Well, this is a it's weird. Just write a little
bit because that was because I was screaming.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
No.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
But I'm okay with fighting my brother because I wouldn't
have to be the one that UH dealt with losing.
So if no, seriously so like emotionally, if that would
scar him, then he shouldn't do it. But if he's
gonna sign up, I don't have to be the one
to lose. And Bro, it's like it's me and Mike

(49:26):
hug after me and Anderson Silva hug.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Like, Bro, it's different sport. If you used to beat
you up when you was a kid, probably.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Which also plays in.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
The Canelo is somebody you want to but you believed,
like I believe the Tommy rematches a big fight, right
it is.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Get in, But you didn't fight the same way. I
think the right man won. I think Tommy did win.
I know you dropped him whatever, but you were different
that fight.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Because he was.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
He had to say there was a lot shit, No,
there was a lot of shit, Like a lot of
shit going on in my life. I don't want to
make excuses though, like that'll come out in a documentary
one day, like everything that was happening. But but yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Like he didn't fight his fight.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Yeah, it was clear that you was different in that fight,
and I thought maybe he was nervous or something like
your first boxer or something like that.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
I was like, why is he?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
If I started like listing off the things that happened
before that fight, it would just we'd be here for
like another thirty minutes.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
So, but that was a fight. Man, was one eighty
five and he waiting at one eighty three. That's terrible
for a guy who walks around at two oh five
that his team managed them to not be at one
eighty five. Put Way in at one eighty three. You
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
I'll see where you're going.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Can I get your take on Canelo Terrence Crawford, which
is a fight that's gonna happen. Canelo's next fight against
Terrence Broyd Corford moving up to way classes. Give me
your opinion on how that fight plays out.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Man, It's it's interesting because of the weight class. We
we haven't seen Terrence go up there, but and will
he have the power. But I do think that Terrence
has the skill and is a bit fresher than Canelo.
So if I if I had to put my money

(51:17):
on it, I would probably go with Terrence.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I think destroys him really really wow.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
I mean, but most people think that, but they don't know.
I don't know what happens. I think that.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I mean, Terrence is just super talented at adjusting inside
that ring. The weight will play a part, will We'll
see that when the fight happens. But I think that
fight is gonna be a lot more interesting that most
people think.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
What was the hardest puncher you ever faced?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Probably Tommy, I think more so than his timing, right,
I think timing is more important than anything, Like Tyron
was strong, Mike Tyson was strong, but Tommy had better timing,
and like placement of punch is.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
So yeah, you said something recently. I don't know if
it was yesterday, day before Oh, there goes my announcement.
So and it was right after Tyson fury.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
It was like, I.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Just have to make sure.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
That's my job to make sure. So well.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
The best part was he tweeted yesterday that you know
that he's done it on his own stands on his
two feet, And a lot of people are like, no,
you don't. You were on the Disney Show. It's like,
how do you think he got on the Disney Show?
You think he's related to Walt Disney. He made that
opportunity for the thing.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
I was mad. But they probably never even watched it.
They just heard you say that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
You was calling yourself that Disney guy, you know, and
they probably heard you say it, and now they're calling
you that guy. No one watched that, that's.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Right now, no one, No one that's forty years old.
That's this in This guy watched the Disney show, knew
who the hell he was.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Most people think that you came from that, but you
actually made a name for yourself and earned that spread
on the show.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, and then went into audition for it really quick.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
M VP.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Has there been a fighter that you guys sought out for,
really wanted to sign and didn't get a chance to
sign They went in a different direction.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
No one that we were sought out for like this,
but like a lot of well idiots signed with other.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Nothing like it's it's insane, Like I I.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Who did you want?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
These people could like understand how horrible of a decision
it is that they that they make. And there's people
where it's like yeah, like we'll have a conversation with
him and we're like not really pursuing it that hard.
But it's like, isn't it fucking obvious who the kings
of this sport are and build the biggest careers and

(53:52):
make the fighters the most amount of money.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Maybe now, but maybe not a couple of years ago.
How do we know that?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
But we're talking about like I'm talking about like past
like twelve months.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Past, three months, past, four months.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Like there were I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna call them out exclusive that. Yeah, No, I'm
not gonna who made the bless sings to them? I
just feel bad that their management like pushes them in
these ways because it's not even comparable by any means.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
So who do you want? That's not sign to anybody.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
There's a number of fighters that we're talking to that
hopefully we'll announce over the next you know, three to
six months, we are going to ramp up the roster
meaningfully and really start to expand m v P as
as a promotional brand. Him and Mike could have made
a lot more money doing that fight on pay per view.
Tyson Jones one point nine million pay per view bys

(54:48):
that was Roy Jones. Paul Tyson could have done three
million pay per view bys. We made the decision, Jake
and I to put it on Netflix because it was
a branding moment for m v P. Eight million people watched,
one hundred and twenty five million in live plus one.
Probably one hundred million didn't even know what boxing was
to a certain extent, or brands in boxing at least,
I should say, and they saw MVP. So now our

(55:11):
brand is like a legit boxing brand to more people
than any other boxing brand in the world. So we're
going to capitalize on that.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
To both of you, though, is there any promoter that
you respect?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I like Frank and George Warren a lot personally. They've
always done right by us. They've been men of their word.
We partner with them on the Tommy Fiery fight. You know,
we put Dubois on his card with Tyren Woodley in Cleveland, Right,
great outcome for du Boss.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Is there anything else that you want to conquer, Jake?
I mean, obviously, this Mike Tyson fight was epic, the
biggest thing since I leave Foreign right.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Which was great for boxing. Right, That's the thing that people, oh,
terrible fight. No, it was the greatest thing to happen
to box.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
And the eye boys that were on the fights before
your fight is priceless, right, a man that Katie's a
bigger star for that. Oh what outside of boxing would
you like to Conky?

Speaker 4 (56:09):
If anything?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, I mean there's uh, there's a lot of things.
I mean my deodorant and body I wanted to bring
broke Walmart records, like we're in Kroger and HB now
like launching. It's a six and a half month old company.
H doing tens of millions of dollars in sales. Get

(56:32):
w at Walmart or Kroger or hib but vitamin infuse
all the good stuff. Uh, there's sports gaming company better Celsius,
I'm a franchise you of Doghouse.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Now his his investment fund is doing tremendously well Anti fund.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, my investment was ranked number one out of nine
hundred on the platform that we go through, which is Angelist.
So just business and innovating and disrupting all of these
old and outdated industries and titans of industry who don't
know what the fuck they're doing anymore.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
And what you always say to me is that as
you become a man, you want to give back more
and you realize that's your biggest calling, which I love.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
When which which to boxing bullies, right, the boxing bully,
he calls himself found box definitely stole.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Talk about that lawsuit? I own it. Can you talk
about that?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Touch on it?

Speaker 3 (57:31):
You know?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I mean, it's it's going incredibly well. By the end
of this year, we'll have like twelve gyms renovated in
Puerto Rico. Our partnership with USA Boxing, we have.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Some I don't know, we haven't announce.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
It's not announced, all right.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
So in December we got a call from a consulting
firm that said they've been hired by USA Boxing to
identify how to reinvigorate interest in amateur boxing. And they
had recommended to USA Boxing the partner with Jake, Paul
and m VP, and so he partnered with them around

(58:05):
the Olympics as like a taster for free. They were like,
how much is it going to cost? I was like,
it's going to cost nothing. This is an honor. Jake
would love to help you amateur boxers. And now there's
a much bigger, broader partnership that's going to roll out
that's going to reinvigorate youth interest in boxing. From three, four, five,
six years.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Old enough, and I can say firsthand. A friend of
mine that has a gym in Puerto Rico, Manny Siaka,
told me in Florida, they really renovated my gym that.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Was ran down.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
So he said, Jake is not a liar.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
They're really doing real work.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Is the real What about that off waiter last night,
Persian dude, he was tell Jake that he's the only
one that stood.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Up for us or something like that, for the youth
in Iran and Iran. Yeah, he did say that.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
He stood up for the youth in Iran. That's why
if you look at his followers, man, he's got a
lot of followers from Iran because during that time, I'm
obviously I'm from Iran originally education him on what was happening, right,
and he's like the youth and he got behind it
in a big, big way.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
But that that's one of the biggest things for me
in my life is going to be going into politics
eventually and just helping the world as much as possible.
I believe there's like so many massive problems with education,
the way kids are raised, you know, men's mental health,
Like the list goes on non government, like.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Why is it that people don't like Jake?

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Then let me ask you this question before we finish. Right,
if you look at any boxer, any MMA fighter in
history at age twenty seven, who has accomplished as much
as this young man has for a sport inside the ring,
you can say he's fought older guys, he fought smaller guys,
whatever you want to say. But he's been successful at
the box office. But more importantly, how he's helping other fighters.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Do that until later on in a career. No one
does it simultaneously. I want the career.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
It's unheard of nobody. When I look at his trajectory
and what the potential is, it's unmatched.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Before the last thing, you want to be world champ? Right,
I asked fighters all the time. All Right, you know
boxing usually retires fighters. You're coming from a whole different angle.
When does Jake Paul want to actually retire? Is it
when you win a world title and then you're moving
on to the next step.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Yeah, I don't think it'll be after winning a world title.
I'm going to try and figure out how to fight
in the twenty twenty eight Olympics and bro and win
goold and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Then I think in what division, what way class?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
It's in kilograms, so it's like whatever the fucking heavyweight pounds,
it's not heavyweight, it's under it's the one under that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
That's a great goal.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Yeah. I remember he's turning twenty eight, but he's literally
thirteen fights into amateur and pro career, so he's fairly young, right,
And you know, we've talked about the Olympics, but I
think he has a five to seven year runway if
he wants to have it with very big, massive fights
while becoming a champion as well. Right, people people want
him to do the real box route. He fought Andrea
August took him out in round one, fought Ryan Borland,

(01:01:03):
Golden Gloves winner signed by Roy Jones, took him out
in round round one. Oh, those guys aren't real boxers.
If he plays the formula of traditional boxing, he's fighting
no names and building his record. What he's done is balance.
Both fought real dudes, fought real killers, and been dropping
people to the canvas while doing bigs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Some of them MMA fighters were better and more of
a challenge that a lot of the big names for
early entire career, right, like you know Anderson Silver soa And.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
By the way, most of those guys have amateur records.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
He beat Havis, I thought he was gonna beat you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
They have amateur backgrounds and they've been and they have
way more experience than you. So I think when people
say he's not fighting up to his opposition, I think
it's a compliment to you, because I think you're those
guys are way more experienced than you, So you shouldn't
even fighting guys that good in my opinion. So world
title first and then gold medal possibly in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah, and people haven't seen the best version of me
in the ring or what I'm capable of. I think
I've not shown that and and this next year is
going to be a great way to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I think the benefit of you starting late as well.
A lot of these fighters been fighting their whole lives
and there's been a lot of wear and tear and
amateur in the gym, and when they're pros at at
your age, they've already worn out so badly. You're kind
of fresh in the game. You haven't you know, been
worn out, So I think that that serves you well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
In the sports.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
But you say, after I've become champion, you just whiz
past that bro. Like there's a guy named John Appetite.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Yeah, at Cruise Away. He's like, if he's around in
two years, I wouldn't I wouldn't fight. I wouldn't fight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Hyeah. But we're talking about like.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
This bottle Jack, this job Appetite. Bottle Jack's my guy.
You know what I'm saying. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
He's not that good either, but.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
He has a world title. He's a champion.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
By the champion, Yeah, for sure, I would.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
And the other champion is he has two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
There's like two barslam, there's like, uh, what's his name?
I don't know, but I know Joe has.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
There's only three titles, I mean three champions. Is John
it's uh, it's bottle Jack and it's uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I don't think is a champion. Bridger. Now he rescinded
his belt.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Yeah, he went down back down to cruise.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
But then he was he doesn't have the belt and.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
He got it back, got he got it and gave
it w b C gave it back to him. Oh wow, right,
all right, you ready for the standing eight on the
way out?

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Bet?

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
This is the standing eight, right, We're gonna throw eight
names at you, and you gotta tell us quickly how
you would have done in a fight against them and
in their prime. So either you would have won unanimous decision,
won by knockout a draw, or maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
You were him now or him in his prime. No,
it's him now right now. Wait, him in his prime
three years away.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Man, he's not.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
He's twelve fights, but we can't make that up now.
And it's them in their prime. It's them in their prime.
Them them now, Them in their prime, Them in their prime.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Come on them now, yes, them now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
They don't have to understand before you say all of this.
If there's some old fighters in here, that's what I'm saying.
The skill level is way different. I mean you look
at what they were doing back then. They were way tougher.
But the skills that one people fights back then.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Is way but that's way back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Like Jack, like n B A like this is the NBA.
Just hit the Michael Jordan the other day.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Skilled Now you're all right, righty.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
Tank Davis knockout Roy Jones Jr.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Him his prime.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
I feel like me right now? Of course?

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Everybody better, yeah, better be who's calling out Jake Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Yes, that's why he's on this list.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yet I think I would win by split decision.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
God, this is I can give my opinion. All right,
Ryan Garcia, I would knock him out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Andre Ward now his version now, not not back then now. Yeah,
I'm saying the andre Ward of today.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
He came unanimous decision right now against forty year old
andre Ward.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Yeah, he's not that far. He's not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
He's not. He's not powerful enough. He's very skillful, but and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
He outskilled everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, but I mean start and beat Chad Dawson time
and time again in the gym. Who went You went
twelve rounds with him?

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
No, he stopped, he stopped, he stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Are we sure about that?

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Yeah? Sure, I'm never talking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
About I don't know, but I'm watching the fight. I
turned it off after eight rounds.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Julio says that job is junior.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Uh. I would knock him out. Canelos I would win
by a split decision, but only because the judges would
be in his favor.

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
Hell, all right, last one, Cass I knockout. All right,
that's the statement. Listen what somebody beat him? Jones beat
him though?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Yeah, Well listen, it's been a Nana to talk to
you a pleasure. Thank you guys for giving us your time.
I'm looking forward to seeing what's next with MVP Jake
Port twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
Thank you, guys, Thank you, appreciation, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Oh oh wait, yeah, let's get this real quick. How
can we forget that? Yes? What do you do with
the man that has everything?

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
You get him all the smoke fight years, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Thank you. That's awesome and some.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Gard from all the smoke. So thank you guys for coming. Yes, sir,
check it out, check it out. Check what he got?

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Clean?

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Check what he got? I like it. I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
High high quality stuff, high quality stuff right here.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
I'm gonna have to keep this one hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
I told him I wanted black up

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
That you appreciate, y'all man, So thank you appreciate it