March 5, 2025 • 51 mins
The boys are back, and this week’s episode of RING CHAMPS features a must-see sitdown with Teofimo Lopez! The always outspoken Lopez doesn’t hold back as he joins Ak & Barak to respond to racism allegations and share details about his encounter with Bud Crawford. Plus, Teofimo dives deep into the business of boxing, giving us a preview of his potential return to the ring while scouting Arnold Barboza and Richardson Hitchins. But that's not all — the former champ also opens up about his relationship with Turki Alalshikh, responds to Shakur’s comments about his ‘female energy,’ and reveals his most hated fighters. He even shares why Tank Davis is his dream fight and opens up about the struggles he’s faced over the past couple of years.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to another edition of Ring Champs. I go
to the name of and I'm barocked to boxing. Bully,
thanks for joining us friends to the room. One of
the most exciting, explosive fighters in all of boxing. Some
say two time undisputed champion, our guy to take over
to female.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I don't know if he's still friends, man, I don't know.
You've been doing some crazy stuff friends for promotion.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
None them.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We're gonna jump into that right away, right like that
song right there, that's old school right there.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Come on, he's a so look he got the velvet
douke rag, he got a little soul.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Let's get into it so we can get the elephant
in the room.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Let's go address it right away. We're gonna talk boxing
and what's coming up.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
A lot of stuff going on this year, especially this week.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Right Obviously, you were on the internet for a very
long time because of the comments you made about Javonte
and Crawford, right, but since then you just you're you're
fresh off of Saudi and you ran into Terrece Crawford,
who addressed I guess addressed to the you know, the situation,
and you told him that this was for promotion. My
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question to you is, and we'll get into that interaction
with you and Bud in hindsight, do you feel or
was worth it?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Whatever you said or did for promotion, do you feel
that you got what you wanted to get out of it?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Is?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Was it all worth it? W with the people you offended?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
The people are offended.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, I mean a lot of people are offended about
the comments cause they they took it as a a
a racist comment. Now, me knowing you, I never saw
you as a racist at all. Right, I mean, y y,
You're from Brooklyn and you never gave that energy, but
people took it that way. Right, So do you feel
do you regret anything that you said?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
No, I don't regret anything I said because at the
end of it all, it's really, uh, it's sports entertainment.
There's no such thing as bad publicity. There's no such
thing as good publicity when it comes to U a
A unless it's like a murder charge or battery on
a woman or something like that for fighters. So to
be honest, though, let me let me actually clarify for
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everybody because people think that that was just a hindsight
moment with me and Crawford, but we already discussed that
in Turkey's farmhouse. Okay, we already had before. So me
and Crawford, he's he's coming out the room, and I'm
sitting with David Benavidez, so we're just waiting to get
in our turn. And then we all ended up staying
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in the same room. Prior to that, though, Crawford being Crawford,
he wants to discuss the situation. I said, but when
are we gonna still fight? Though I would want to fight,
And I said one fifty four, So my whole, my
whole thing right there. But I already see that he's
not gonna fight until he gets Canelo. But anyways, to
that point, he asks me, what was the whole purpose
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of that though, And I said, to promote and so
I can get a fight with y'all, right, because he
asked me too, like on a sincere level, He said,
what was that all about? What you're really on that?
I said, nah, bro, it's really just for promotion reasons.
That way I get these fights going with y'all. So
he said, all right, He pat me in the back
twice and then that was it. We get to the
room with Turkey and then we started discussing fights that
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we we all planning on doing this year and next year.
That was about it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
So that was before the whole thing right there.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
But then me and Crapping was chill. We was talking
like nothing ever happened after that. So then that video
right there, Crawford being crawfing. That's cool because my my,
my point of view right there and that and that
that moment of vibes is like, I don't need to
be fighting with you no more. We already discussed the
so so you can poke me whatever they want to say.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
How you feel about that.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I don't care because it's already discussed prior to it.
So now that's just all marketing and show. So you
know what, if anything, I don't regret it, go ahead.
Y'all get a little bit looked back from it. But
then that lets me know on another version of something,
everybody was tuning in and now they got something out
of it. And unless we know all the dummies out
there that they've been watching me, So it's been working.
(04:06):
I've been working. It's been working, I guess. So.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I mean I knew you for a long time since
she was younger, so I obviously know you're not racist.
I feel you're not racist, but that don't mean I
like what you was doing. You know what I'm saying.
I don't like what you was doing. But what did
you get out of it so far? Do you think
a fight is gonna come up.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Out of it?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Now?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
With Crawford, that's for sure because he already got his.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But what about is saying now? No, I ain't fighting
him now he racist, I ain't fighting him.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
That's crazy. That wasn't how it was back then. I
don't know you're talking about old school and shit, But like,
what did you want to like? Nah? Let me shut
up this racist fuck.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You know what I'm saying. I do get your point
right because your course said. I don't know about anybody else,
but I'll fight him.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I'm not gonna not give him for what else?
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, he said he went to bat for you. He said,
I know him, he's not racist or whatever. Yeah, that's obvious.
That's obvious he's said.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But he called what you were doing goof He doesn't
know why you're doing it now. Speaking of Keyshawn that
he just brought up. I'm not sure if your addresses
on the internet, right, but are you the person that
send the watermelon in a banana to Keyshawn's room because
you were watching a video eating a banana laughing and
that's what's out now. They took it away from Baron
check and said it wasn't him, it was you.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So was it really you?
Speaker 5 (05:22):
No, it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You serious?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Serious? If you want to break some news, be honest.
So who could have helped?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So you saw it and said let me capitalize on
this and let me exactly?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, Yo, that's how I.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Barchick was sitting there not knowing. We don't know what's
going on, all right, So I think.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
It's an inside job. That's what I think me personally
like whoever was whether, I don't want to put the
whole thing. But if it's an inside job, it could
be promotion, network and or team, so it could be
others because to that motion to the card exactly, So
what did I do? I just, if anything, I helped
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Baranchake and bear Chick and Ukraine. I kind of helped
him on that side, and I put the blame back
on me and Usik who I was who I ran
to in Saudi. He laughed and he was he was
good like giggling about it. He said, thanks bro, thanks chump,
and we took a photo.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
But it's just I don't don't want to understand the
culture hand American.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
What how offensive that could.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Be in a watermelon? I think that's just being nicer
because I love I think Latinos loved watermelon. Everybody loved
fucking watermelon, you know what I mean. So I think
that that that's that's not something I would do. You
wouldn't go that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You wouldn't go that far. You wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
I don't want to say that. God, I just I
just would I would. I just do it prettier. I
guess I do a little bit nicer, all right, So,
because all I did was either banana and live and
people already put the blame on.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Me and you and you accepted it, but but you
basically wanted to blame the way you did that, Come on.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
This is how you promote, all right, right, So I
haven't thought since June twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Nine, So you're getting just to kind of wrap that
subject up.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You got what you wanted to get out of, you know,
monkey bananas and all those other I guess offensive things
to some people. You feel like you got what you
needed to get out of that.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, okay, I did. I think so. I think so.
I think that it lets me know maneuvers are one thing,
and that's yeah. They say chest checkers, all this extra stuff.
But it's like I'm still on the board. That means
that I still get a play at this game of
that we call boxing or the game that we call
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of life.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I think, but I'm not. All publicity is not necessarily
good because you could lose endorsements, You could lose friends,
you know what I mean, you could lose supporters, you know.
So just because people know that doesn't mean it's good
that you I didn't like what. It doesn't matter when
it comes to race, those stereoty what.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
About be hot Bernard Hopkins Puerto Rican flag?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He had to run out of there too, un run
out of there, be out, but he made it out
of there alive, luckily.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
You know. But it's always been around, you know what
I'm saying. I'm just the type of person, that old
school type vibe. It's just I can't let people forget
the origin of this.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
All right, So being there were on the race topic,
let me keep.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
On because we're racist I'm gonna be honest with y'all.
We are racists, all of us. You know why, because
we're against the one true race that matters the most,
and that's the human race. We're all divided. Think about it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I can't disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Let's talk about you threw a subliminal out there to
to one of our partners here and our colleagues and
Andre Ward once upon a time insimulating that he only
wants to interview black fighters, right. I mean, we've seen
them all with caved plant, so that's obviously not true.
But give me your take on that. And why did
you say.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
That so that he could get it so I get
an interview with.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I thought he's gonna say something different.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Me and Ward have had our interactions, bro, and sometimes
we've even had our points where we just manui mono
like deadlock.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Like conversations like we just or just staring at each
other like the ego trip.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Did you have problems with the way he called some
of your fights at ESPN?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
No, I don't mind. It's constructive criticism, Teddy Atlas. I
was just with him. We were doing we were commentating
one of the fights. I think big Bang, Big bang
Shang and we was we was commentating, but I was
talking to Teddy, and Teddy's fucking freaking has given me
the most constructive criticism in my game, a fighting how
(09:45):
I'm not consistent in my my my plans and my
fight my fighting fight games and fight matches. I told
him at the side, I said, Yo, bro, I don't
take it bad. I take it as constructive criticism because
I'm gonna go back in the drawing board and figure
out what the problem is. If there is a problem,
then I gotta go in and fix it. But that's
part of it. Andre Ward Josh Taylor. Right before we
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got I went in the ring and I just right
before everything, I just looked at him. He looked at me,
and he went like this, and I was just we
just there like I'm about to show you, like we
ain't say nothing, but I'm in the ring, gloved up
already by the fight. Josh Taylor me, technically for Undisputed,
but for the ring magazine, in the w VO, I'm
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just staring at him and we locked eyes and pretty
much that's he knows what that means. That means like
I'm about to show you what I'm about to do
or to talk. Now it's time.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I'm gonna show you what I felt that andre Ward
wasn't picking you for that fight.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Nobody was no get out of here, we knew you
was gonna beat him.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I want to record, all right.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I appreciate y'all for it. But the thing is like,
at least for the most part, the writers, the writers
in the game, and I think just the people in
the network, didn't expect me to win.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So after you won, did you look at on wards?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
No, I already I did it prior to it. So
whatever the win was already the the stamp right there
for him.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
All right.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
So and that was his last show, right or something
like that? Yeah, one more, one more? I think it
was just one one of his last shows before he
left ESPN. Right, and Max Kellerman too. Max Kellerman said
that on that it me beating Josh sailor that will
determine me as a two He would he want to
see or agree, like disagree with me being a two
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time on the speed of World Champion. Let him go
after that either way.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You're you're linear no matter what your linear, no matter what,
you're a real champion, Like right now, you are the
real champion. Back in the days, they didn't call everybody
a champion. They said titleist and they said champions. So
you beat a champion and everybody else would be tired
of this from now. You know what I mean, all right,
So I won't talk.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
About starting to shift a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I don't know if it's with everyone or just with
me in particular. And that's why I came out here
and did things that I knew that. It's a gamble.
Boxing is hit don't get hit. Boxing is where you hit,
you might get hit. You know, you can't go in
water and expect not to get wet. So I think
that it's that's why I did these things where I
was navigating and maneuvering the way I was with even
(12:23):
I think even with my people and in the black
culture and everything. I think I was navigating that way
because I knew I would get shit out of it.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
But it's too to keep me in that loop, because
I need to stay in this.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Loop conversation because you're not because.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Well, it's about it. It hasn't been a year just
yet since I fought. But it's more than that. It's
the fact that I'm dealing with certain situations where there's
hubs in this in this boxing game or just an
industries overall industries in many aspects, and if you're not
in the in the if you're not seen the right
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or doing the right things for them for the way
they want it, then there's a hard there's a hard
how can I say there's a hard way of not
getting the things that you need or deserve.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Do you feel like frustrated? Like you see other fighters
They might be making a lot of money and you've
been vocal about I haven't made this amount of money yet.
I haven't even made them millions and millions yet. Do
you feel frustrated when you see guys that you came
up with in the game, you know in the amateurs,
knew these guys, they were your friends, and they making millions.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
I'm not listen, i can't be mad at them for
what they're doing. I'm more upset with the business of it.
That's all. Like, I'm not gonna pocket watch these uh,
these fighters because they all did they think. You know
what I'm saying, I'm gonna give credit what credits due
although they haven't accomplished what I think they haven't accomplished
on my behalf. Every belt that you see here, I've
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carried right right here in the ring Champs. I've carried yes,
you know so and all of that at twenty three.
So it's it's more of the essence of like there's
business people that just that really believe that you gotta
come this way or there's no way for you won't win.
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You won't win with us because they taking a lot
on the end.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
What business people are those? What networks I mean talk about?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I can't look it's because look, I'm still in the
I'm still in the huddle. I'm still in there. I'm
still in that hut.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So you can't you can't find any shots at anybody yet.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Because you don't know where you because I'm do I
gotta fight line.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
I got things that we're talking about right now as
we speak. Yeah, possibly times square here, Yeah, but they
not solidified to our signs, so that shit could How.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Confident are you in and spending time with his excellency
Turkey Ali Sheik right being in that environment. You see
what he's doing in the sport right now. I mean
the card we just watched on Shorebird twenty second was
amazing right. Are you confident that you guys will work
together and you will end up fighting on the same
day of Ryan Garcia and than Haiti.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
To me, it's like with with the ones in the
royal family in Saudi, his Excellency and everyone that comes
to play. I believe so I believe that they are
true men and women. But I believe that there are
true men that they know what they want out of this.
And I think that me being at the same time
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his ring champion because now he is the owner, that's
the right point. So I am his champion. Outside of
the w BO, I'm their world champion, but I am
his champion, so you gotta display your ring champion.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I didn't think of it that way. That makes sense.
So what are some of the names that they're given?
Is it Hitchins? Who is it?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Is?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Those two?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Those two? And which one would you rather? I know
before you said man, please don't say no, honoball Bosa
because maybe at the time he didn't deserve it, But
now do you feel like he's deserving I.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Mean he's they both both fighters have earned their shot
at two female Who do you want?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Which one do you want more?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I think that if it's in a New York fight.
I think for the aspect of it, Kingdom New York
type vibes.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
You got Hitchins right, right, and he's a boxer.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
A lot of people say I don't do well with boxes,
and I want to test that theory. Now I'm moving forward,
you know what I'm saying. I like to test myself
and show that I can. I just had a lot
of difficulties last year.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Okay, Hitchin said that you did. I mean you, I
think stated there was an all for me.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Sure you would know, right, it's personal, could really mess
up your business.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You guys went back and forth on social media.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, you were Hitchings and you claim, to my understanding
that there was an offer said to him and he
said it wasn't enough.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
How true is that? Talk about that?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I believe, yeah, I believe that what they have in mind,
at least from his excellency. I can't really say what's
the number rate, but obviously talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Since you've been in Saudi recent I'm talking about a
few weeks back.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Art.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
I'm just trying to like kind of break it down
for everyone. It's pretty much Look when I I think
if you're gonna I guess they don't. They're not the
way I am. If I say I'm gonna fuck you
up or I'm gonna beat you, I'm gonna fight you
in the ring, I'm gonna fight you, and no matter
what how much they pay me, I'm gonna fight you.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
You're proven that, all right, You've definitely proven that.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
But these other guys, and and with Taylor to Taylor,
I didn't get lied either. So call me call me.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I think I got like eight hundred and that was Richard.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Call me top top heaviest punches at one thirty five
and another world champion.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You're not driven by money, like if you really want
to fight somebody.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
If you want to fight somebody, but not only fight somebody,
but knowing that when I beat you, this is the
outcome from it. Now, I've been played by the system
of boxing by thinking that's how it works. But these
other guys aren't a safe net. They got safety nets.
So even if they lose by me, they're gonna be
all right. Me was never that case. Financially, Yeah, they'll
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be all right. But I think that what the Hitchins
probably is asking for is close to the three you know,
And I don't know if his excellency and those are
the parties Ala Sela and for a reality season. I
don't know if they think that's a worthy fight for it,
but I think if it's hosted here, I believe he'll
bring more volume because now you got fifty cent that
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shouted out Richardson Hitchins as the new IBF world champion.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So these acts are close to three million.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I believe, so, I believe so, I so so what
I've heard, because obviously it's a little bit of a
conflict of interest because we have the same manager.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
What are you comfortable with making for that fight? Let's
let's talk about it, because I'm always having about this
money Joe, right and why how fights don't get made?
They don't get made, and nobody ever knows what this
fighter turned down?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Or this fighter price that's all I hear. This fighter
price himself out. I never know the numbers. So what
do you need to make that fight happen?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
And you be.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Comfortable with it?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Right now? I need a fight?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Good answer? Always trying to get somebody's problem.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Mind your business?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Tell me what your paycheck is that's right.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
No, No, you don't understand. That's part of the sport
because they bring that in when it comes to fights
not being made.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Nah, nobody, you may not everyone.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Is like that right now. I have me personally, I
don't think anyone.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
It's it's weird.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
This guy doesn't want to get my questions answer.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know, for years, for years I say, for years,
I say, we shouldn't count nobody.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I'm assuming it's more.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Than three million, if that's what Hitchins want, so we'll leave.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It at that.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Now it's it's it's good money, good money on the table.
But it's a three fight. Three Now his excellency wants
to extend it's a four fights, so.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That is more pay.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
We're looking at over thirty million. So I'm in chick.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Whatever we have.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Think. Look, look, do you think your welcome So imagine
I mean imagine nose even, and it's gonna be a
little bit more. Now he wants the fourth fight.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So all right, So do you think Arno Bobo's a
beat cattle roll? Because that was a close fight.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I wish I wish I could tell you I didn't
see it. I was actually on my way from California
to back to Miami. But because I had, like I
just wanted to spend some time with my fam for
the Valentine But had I known, I probably just went
straight to London. I should have just went straight to London.
But then again I wasn't. I thought we were more.
(20:30):
We're marinating more of the Hitchins fight.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So speaking of Hitches, what is your take on his
performance winning the title.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Against I think he thought he was gonna win.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You think you're saying that he went into the fight
thinking he would lose.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Not thinking he would lose.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Just a reaction from you after the fight, how he.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Jumped up and like fell on the floor.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I didn't won the world title.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I mean, how do you how did you feel when
you're world title?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I just carried it against Coman.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Now you ain't did a back.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You were happy when you did it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Back from No.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
But that was that was after the wind right, But
when he got the win, he like jumped on the
floor and ship, Look, you know what emotions right, You
can't you can't stop them when they when they're going through.
Good for him, Good for him. I think he did well.
He out boxing very nice. Hitches is well rounded fight
him and he got beautiful one two punches, straight shots,
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So it'll be a great fight.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Who's a tougher fight, honorable boz Or Hitchings my mind,
all right, But I'm just saying I get it. We
we we ourselves are always our toughest opponent. But on paper,
you know, you look at each one, who's the tougher fight?
Speaker 5 (21:44):
My mind, it's just me every time? Man, do I
still got it? Who? What your female? We're gonna get?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So you still ques?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Those are your those are your thoughts or you're just
what people are saying him.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
No, he's saying that's his mind.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
No, a little bit of both is you got to.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Mix it around so you still have those moments when
you when you ask yourself and you still have it.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Oh, No, I do have it. I needed the Clagate
fight though, that Clager fighter, even though it looked like
whatever they wanted to say out of it, I threw
the most punches in my career ever, almost nearly a
thousand punches in twelve rounds. Right, and but the main
part of it. And I appreciate my father, who is
my coach, my trainer. I appreciate him. He was telling
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me you're gonna get your second win. Don't worry about
that shit. You're gonna get it. And I listened to
him well instructed and and you know it, while doing that,
it almost gave me that quote from Muhamma Ali. He
says the will must be stronger than the skill. And
in that fight, my skills may not have been where
I think the greatest, but it was my will. I
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lost fire in this game. I'm not gonna lie to
you around what time period the Taylor when I wanted
to retire because I kind of wanted to. I'm tired
of wrestling with the devil, you know, so to speak,
tired of it. You know, I want to just now
I got a three year old. I want to spend
real quality time with him and understand my love that
I put into his mother. Now I see it walking
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around in this world, that being my son. So I
want to really enjoy that moment. I haven't gotten to
see him grow up, you know, I haven't seen him
in over two months. So you know why, his mother
and I'd just rather deal with the courts so that
way we settle that shit over over the way.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So you guys, are you and his mother are not
getting along, which is causing visitation issues.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
It was we just finished with the courts, so I'm
good now. I just didn't want to deal with that shit.
Prior to it, I didn't want to deal with it.
So what I do kept myself busy traveling around promoting,
giving back to communities, going to Texas like poor little
Valley areas and Texas, you know, giving book bags and
stuff because you got also with the stuff that's going
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on with Ice, supporting a lot of Hispanics.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Around the world or around here in the US.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
So all these things, I'm just trying to at the
same time be around and surrounded by kids while you know,
I'm missing mine.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Wow, Yeah, that's crazy, all right? So fight for a
fight deal, and you're all in right now with Turkey,
I believe.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
So yeah. I would say, if you're telling me from
one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
From his hit, I think you're like eighty eight percent,
all right.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So all of these ideas he have talking about Coliseum, Alcatraz,
all of that time square, which one would you want
to fight?
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Well, I'm already lined up for Alcatraz, right yeah, and
it's on a different date, but this is on a
different time now, because his excellency. I'm not sure if
I can elaborate on it because that was part of
the meeting with Benavidez and and Crawford and myself, so
I'll keep it there for now. Don't want to ruin
the relationship with him as well. But yeah, big news
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of other parties coming involved, I mean huge, big time,
and I'll be main event for one of them, for
one of those big shows that they plan on doing.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
You just mentioned being in a room of Benaviadas and
Crow for we talked about what happened with you guys
on video. You mentioned sparring, But do you still want
to fight Crawford at some point in a professional prize fight.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
I would like to, and I told him that, but
it's not going to be there while he's with.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Turkey, especially sixty eight to fight that part.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Too, So I just told him, like will spar but
I ain't telling him the rules yet. In the spar
no again, we do ten ounces, so it's like a
fight just fighting.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I mean that's foolish though, it's like a real prize
fight and not get paid for it.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I'd rather get that than not fight him at all
at all.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I got you is there something inside of you that
dislikes Crawford. Is that what it is?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I like Crawford.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Crawford likes me, and I knew that from just how
he he he.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I think people even nobody's really talking about it. But
he said when he sees me, he gonna right away
hit me, you know, on site. But he didn't do
that right.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I mean, you guys weren't a room with his excellency
and a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Of Oh no, this was even without his excellency there
at the moment.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You know, there was an opportunity for that.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
There was an opportunity for both of us to just
handle it right there.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I mean, Crawford his level hurt it. I don't think
he's just gonna jump on somebody. He probably wanted to
really address it. Uh, and you guys addressed it. I mean,
it seems like all this copoesthetic.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Rights, so that I text, look, oh, but I turned
off my phone, but I wrote, I wrote him on
DMS and I just told him, well, we still need
to settle this beat, like this situation, this matter and
in Spartan, so I give him my number and everything.
I just told him let me know when.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
He spond on the damn.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah. On Saturday March twenty second, Wortal Champions and after
the cowering in Perno, Fondora defends his title against Gordelle Booker.
Don't miss He's he's foremost.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Junior in Kenvin Sogdo and all Mexican Showdown tickets on sale.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Now, are you are you training with any rate?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So to some degree is he part of your camp?
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I believe so. I think that we still have to
discuss certain things with him and my father as like
with the training situation. So I think once we get
that involved and I think we will definitely know, it'll
be definitely or not.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
With that being said, Canelo Crawford, Yeah, should happen in September?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Should Canelo win in May?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And I know you on Reckon already saying that he
can't be Canelo. Do you still feel that way?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, I mean, listen to I think stylistically, Crawford could
stay in there long enough. However, it's just with the weight,
and I mean Canelo, he's he's gotten better ever since Mayweather,
but now he's increased a little bit. Nevertheless, though I
think that, uh, I think I think Canelo will get him.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
You know who I will talk about. I will talk
about secor Stevenson because you guys were friends. I remember
I had I did a show on Serious XEM years
ago and I had you him, jose Ra Marri's. Everybody
was cool, everybody was great. But now all of a sudden,
it seemed like there's an issue. And the other day
on the Art Award course said that you know, you
guys were in the same place, I guess in Saudi
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Arabia or wherever, and he was like, you were given
Uh what did he say? Like female vibe? You're just
saying that you wanted an attention, you wanted people to
look at you.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
What you mean? Oh? What? Like? Bro, I'm the takeover though,
to mean I step in the room and I already
take over.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Are y'all cool or not?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You went the man? I was giving Buddy instructions while
he was fighting on Padley. Really yeah, I was like,
keep the left hand up, and I'm telling him stead
goes back to the body.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, it don't seem like that issue.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Is that a potential fight?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I want all of them to win.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You got a you have a full fight deal.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I need to hear the full names that ideally you
would want not like.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Oh this to just give me four matter what if
you the winner?
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Okay, the win. Well, right now, I'm trying to push
more on the Hitchens, but I know that we just
had our little back and forth with Barbosa this past
weekend because his excellency really wants that, Okay, Okay, So
after that, I would like the winner right away from
from Boots Staniosis, because they're fighting for the ring at
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forty seven. Yeah, so I'll be a three time Leneal
world champion at twenty eight. I think that'll be amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Okay, nobody really calling out Boots.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Yeah, but well it's the winner between Boots and Staniosa,
and Staniosa is still a live dog even though he
has a fall for about fourteen months. Okay, after that
after that, or the winner between Hainey Garcia.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay, yeah, that's I guess that's full names, right, that's change.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah, and then those two after that. Yeah, unless there's
somebody else that maybe I could catch at one fifty four,
but there's no you know, there's still people that need
to Yeah, don't pick up you know what how you
guys feel about xanders Ayas?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I like him. I like him, you know, but it's
still early, still early in his career. But I like
him as somebody.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Oh no, I know him like no.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I think he's I think he's a good fighter.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
I think he's smart, like going, I like going after
guys that are like world champions. Right, he's still working
his rankings all right, but I think he deserves a
title shot.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, I mean he's worked this way up there. I
think he's a hellip fighter.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I want to talk You mentioned your father and uh
Eddie right working together. I want to address something that
I haven't had a clear answer about. Right, people have
been talking about your father getting punched in the face
or beat up.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
In some sort of gym.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
So I want I want you.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
To give me the story about what if there was
an incident with your father and a gym and somebody
assault to him.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Just talk to me about it.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
You know who really be there? Though? You need to
ask coach k K Coroma Coroma Coach K he was
the one that sucker punch my father And then I
was about it for what reason? Well, because we're going on, Well,
me and Kishan was spaaring. We only did four rounds
Keishawn's talking obviously. Everybody else is there, Jared Anderson, Chakor
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was there, Antonio was there, the manager.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
How long ago was this this is the video that
just surfaced now of you and Kyshawn's sparring during that situation.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
How long ago was it?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
What time?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
When was this funck?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I remember? I think it was twenty oh? I think
it was the summer of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Okay, okayhead continue story.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I think it was. But you gotta catch these guys though,
and Keijon said, we did like eight nine rounds, bro
we only needed four cause I didn't have a mouthpiece.
So my dad asks for the spawn. They were agreed
with the spawn. But prior to that, they saw my
dad was falling on the floor because of his conditions.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
He was tired and shite was a feeling right, so
he collapsed.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
He collapsed in the ring like two days prior to
our sparring session, and everybody saw that in the gym
and Perfecting Athletes Perfecting Athletes at the time, Denise and
Paulina the nutritionist team, the women, they they saw that
and they helped my father out because he couldn't he
was having heart issues, So all that being in there,
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then I think they just see, uh, you know, you
see a week you know, you see a weak guy.
I think it's like like you see prey at that moment.
So I took advantage of that happened. So what happened
was they were going back and forth. Keishawn it is
you know, he's he's talking a lot of smack. First off,
they always talk smack. But nevertheless, we did. We did
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with four rounds, and I think the only thing that
really got crazy was the fact that I think he
hit me behind the head and my dad got mad
about that. But then he turns around and then my
Dad's like, fuck, you hit him, So I hit him.
And then after that the bell rings and then Keishan
hits me again after the bell, and that's when things
got roud. So K goes inside, my dad goes inside.
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They're arguing. Keith Shawn is there. I'm on my side,
and then next thing you know, we're talking and I
just see on the side of my eye it's K
punching sucker punching my father. Then he gets them back
in the ropes. My dad grabs him. They're holding on.
My Dad's telling him he can't breathe, but my dad
tries to hit k and then that was it.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Everybody at this point, because they were trying to say
that you watched it happen and didn't do anything to
protect your phone.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
We all jumped in there. Everybody went so we could
break it up, break it up, and Antonio Antonio.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
J.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Prince's right here, man. He told all the fighters to
head out because they started the fight and he ain't
want to get them in trouble.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So your father never hit the canvas because they're saying
that he got knocked out or whatever.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
No, bro, we Spaniard, bro. We were part Spaniard and
we were during but we're Spanniard bro. Like we got
a tin like for real, for real?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
How's he doing now?
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Like I've had flash knockdowns. I've never been knocked.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Out, right, how's he doing now? With his health?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
He's been well. I've been wanting him to come around
this ship. But y'all gotta understand, like having two heart
attacks and you know, almost a third one and all
that ship. My father, you know, he's still hanging in
there and all that, but it's not the same. So
you know, my only thing is that he's a great trainer,
and he knows stylistically with the ring IQ where I
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need to be at. I just don't like that if
Winoso comes into my camp, that they take all that
credit away from my father and add that on to Renoso.
I mean that already, But that will happen. I mean
but boxing business wise, come on, business wise, that will happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Look, Eddie's a hell of a trainer. We all show
what he did with Canelo, right, people with Canelo lows
to Floyd maywee people, No, I know.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
I'm saying guess what people were saying right that I'm
not taking away from you.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Made that Well listen, your father, your father, I mean,
no one could take that away from your father.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Let me let me finish my statement.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Right, So he's proved that he's that he's from that pedigree.
When people were saying you lost to Floyd, get a
new trainer, Canelo state lawyer and say, no, this is
the guy and look what he's accomplished since. Right, So
he's a great trainer, but it won't take away what
you already accomplished, right, Like to your point already unofficially
too unisputed crowns right.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
So I don't think that could.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Ever be taken away from your father, never if, even if,
even if Eddie gets some credit.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Now, I don't believe that, Bro, that's gonna block you.
That's gonna block you for more help.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
No, it's not I that's your emotions.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I know you love your father, but it's gonna block you.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Bro, I don't take you this way. Look, I'm not
gonna take away the fact that the benefits from it
with Renaosso teaming up with Team Canelo, you know what
I'm saying. We already worked with them a little bit,
got to see the feelings of it. It's more so
of the fact that my father definitely has I started
with my father. I would like to end with my father. However,
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I don't want these other well rounded people in the
support of boxing thinking that I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Loyal to that is what they think.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Man. Care. I care because I've already you know why
I careen bro August, because despite how much I've accomplished,
it's not promoted that way.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You know, it's the credit you deserve your film.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Let me tell you something, you will never get that, Yeah,
because you will never Floyd didn't get it, and Floyd
is the best.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
He didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Son't looking for it no more.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I just want my father to feel appreciated.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I know I get it, but don't let that stop
getting more help in your especially think.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
He's gonna stop because he's obviously I don't agree that
he's already agreed.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
So I just need this is a discussion we need
to talk to with Eddie is there. Thank you for
the help. It's gonna help me.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
I can learn things from them, but I understand that
my father is still my training.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
That how about you working with Eddie.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
He's the one that insisted Eddie stop. Listen.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It seems like Eddie and your father will be at
the corner for your next fight.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
That's what we're looking at. No, that's what what what
if if.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
If you do fight on a second in New York.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
City, Eddie, wouldn't he be in Saudi Arabia with Canelo
fighting on the third of May, which is a day later,
so he might not be in the corner.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
But yeah, that's the thing that his excellency was thinking
about with me, either Sady with Canelo on his card,
Wow or New York. So I was sitting there. I
was like, but no, no, no. I was like, but why
not Time Square? Why not New York?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
You know?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And what did he say in Times Square?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
No, no, no, he did it at first, but now
he sat back watching the event, watching the show, I
think them promoted me as well as his own and
putting me out there. Then he could changed his mind
and said, Okay, I think we could do Times Square.
I think that's why he wanted the Brobosa though. I
think it'd be all full Mexican card and with Canelo
and May third, No matter what, those are two great
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fights in great events.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It is, so I'm not mad at incredible weekend, said,
speaking of Saudi, one thing that stood out to me was.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
The great and some people say the greatest lightweight of
all time.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Monos de Pierrera.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Durang was wearing a hat that said make boxing great again.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
He created it right hold hold.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
When we were watching the card, everybody was like, I
want that hat. The hat is amazing. You walk in
the studio today. In our studio. He had Diamantes in
New York City with the hat on it says make
boxing great again.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Stole it from Duran.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
The Hands of Stone and you hold on, No, on
a serious note, you tell us that this is your trademark,
you own, make boxing great Again. You even said, yeah,
he wasn't allowed to wear that, even though he's an
all time great.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
But I guess him a past and he didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Wait, he didn't bring no hats for us.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
No no hats, no hats, no hatch talk about.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
That, you know my yeah, my concept? Yeah, yeah, make
boxing great again? So yeah, I actually did. I copyrighted it,
trademarked it prior to announcing it, and at perfect time,
perfect timing because his excellency really kickstarted everything this year
with the Ring magazine and all these new changes in
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the sport.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Now you gotta make boxing grain again.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You're gonna sell merch and nice with with that on there.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Yes, now that's what I'm working on. Uh, definitely contacting
other corporations and other people would love lids to be
a part of this, and you know, actually in collab
with them and let let them even see test the
market and stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Because I had the Black History.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Month make Boxing Great Again hat trying to do different
type of combinations to it.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And you wore that. Have you worn it? That nobody's
talked about that though.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, I know, because I'm not revert of the ram,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
No, what I'm talking about the fact with all the
backlash about the supposed racist remarks, but you wearing a
Black History Month I haven't seen them.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Have you seen them?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Well then again, you know, I mean I have yet to.
These are all prototypes, you know what I'm saying. Everything
that I'm doing at prototypes just to see test the market,
tests out what.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Put it in it like that.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Yeah, but I love the concert. Yeah, you know, this
was more like a Valentine theme. We got a Black
History Month theme. Definitely working on different oh even countries
I'm talking about. So what I noticed though with the
hat that they made for Roberto Duram make boxing great
again with my with my trademark, they.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Put the Saudi flag on the side, So that was
pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I want to talk about the company, the management company's
team that represented you throughout your whole career.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Mc Water's done a great job with you. When you
decided to part ways and join Keith Connley, who's also
a phenomenal manager, right, talk about that transition and why
you decided to switch teams.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Well, you know, I started with mcwater. I believe I
signed with David mcwater back in twenty fifteen, so I
was still amateur at that time. Wow, yeah, so ten
years Yeah, pretty much. You know, he definitely was there
with us after the Golden Gloves. He was there for
the Olympic qualifiers and mainly for the Olympic trials when
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I the the same year that year when I won.
But yeah, just that relationship overall. I mean, he's done
a great job. He's done a fund job. I'm not
gonna take nothing bad from it, you know. I think
these are just good learned lessons that I experienced. He used.
He will always talk to me like if I was
one of his, like his kid and stuff, and you know,
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so just with those things and that that type of relationship,
it was always great. I believe though as time as
time exceeded, like as time passed, the more the more
I achieved and stuff. It's just a little bit harder
any guy that's really gonna shoot for for the uh
for the moons.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah really, you know, And I think I didn't get
that so much.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
From him the way I wanted it to be. And
I think that he was creating more of relationships rather
than certain deals that I needed at that time. Okay,
but nevertheless, mcwater is definitely a good, good manager to
have around, especially in the beginning of your career. And
just like anything else, you know, some things are as
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long as we have our relationship as friendships and stuff.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I think that you guys are still friends.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Yeah, never be nothing more than that, you know what
I'm saying. I think that set a head of a
job overall in my career. And he's doing great for
other fighters too. He even made a Ivan Baranchick at
that time I be a world champion, so you know
he's had a few guys that definitely had our world
class fighters.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
So earlier you said, you know, last year was a
tough year for you. So what's been the toughest thing
in your life?
Speaker 5 (42:54):
I gotta say the most toughest thing in my life,
I guess finding the love for my sport without just
going in there to fight. I think it's it's a
weird combination. I think that I like, I didn't spar
a lot. I probably sparred like seven times.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
That was crazy.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
But I probably sparred seven times in that whole year.
With two fights. I didn't spar a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You told us that last year, and you told us
that like that was something that you did on purpose,
but in reality you were struggling or something.
Speaker 5 (43:26):
I was struggling because I guess I just didn't want
to fight anymore. But I was just you.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Feel obligated to do it for monetary reasons.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
Exactly for monetary reasons. That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
So is that love back?
Speaker 5 (43:39):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And what triggered it? Do you think?
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Well? One, I think the official announcement with my divorce
is definitely key because any broken heart that you go
through is actually your make through and anything because you're
so determined. Secondly, my my my thrive and drive for it.
I found out that kit like, oh shoot, I really
do like fighting. What am I talking about? I love
actually pitting a guy, cracking him in the face and
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seeing how they react to it, you know, at the
same time getting hit a little bit too.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
So I actually felt.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
That again and I was happy smiling, so that feels great.
And then thirdly, really is just the I'm back to
my one thing that I needed the most that I'm
here today and for that reason, boxing I was trying
to do everything else knowing boxing will always be there.
But then I forgot me because without my boxing, there
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is no anything else around here. So my love for
my wife, my true first my first wife, really is
boxing and she's she's here right now and we're here together,
all of us for that reason.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Well, I want to bring up a matchup right there
to me and for many years it was one of
the best in all of boxing, and I.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Think today it still is.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, that's you versus Javonte Day this right because of
the explosiveness that both of you guys bring to the table,
the power, the twitchy speed, it's it's it's it's a
it's a mouth watering fight for fight fans, right, and
the baiting right obviously, Yeah, I mean, look the baby,
you're right. So obviously he's fighting Lamont Roach this week
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in New York City. He's also mentioned things about on
site with you so to speak. You know, I guess
some subliminals out there because of those comments about the
monkey and banana and all that, Like he's he's the
one that said that he wouldn't want to fight him, right,
Was it him that said I don't even want to
fight him? Now because he's a racist. I want to
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give you the bad because I noticed you mentioned I think,
if I'm not mistaken, I think I think said, well
want so is that fight on on your trajectory? Like
I know you we just talked about Fournans. You didn't
mention him, but here's one of the biggest stars in
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the sport and it seems like one of the best matchups.
Is he on your agenda at some point?
Speaker 5 (46:06):
To be honest, I would like it. I think that's
a fight that it would be definitely needed for the
sport of boxing. It's like, you know, a line in
a gorilla you get to finally see them face each other,
so you get to actually see that not just from
a jungle aspect, but now from a human specimen aspect.
I think that would be great. You got basically two
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guys that are like kings at what they do best.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
And they know how is it sa to say they
don't like each other?
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Yeah? I guess so. Yeah, I don't like them. I
don't like anybody. That's that's pretty much the possibility of
a match.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Who do you dislike the most out of all the
people you've gone back and forth.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
With, Who do I dislike the most, don't say yourself
other than myself my mind. I guess should I give
it to him?
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Should I give should I give him the dislike award?
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Dislike award? I gotta say, uh, keish so than tech. Yeah,
he lies too much. Like I think the whole knocking
out and him knocking my dad out. I I didn't
like that part the rounds that he expressed.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
I think this uh boastfield feeling of that he is
that guy.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
I mean they they it's top ranked, they know how
to line up matches for the guys.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
So so, so he could be a potential the poet
in as well.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
Yeah, if he says but he doesn't wanna fight the racist,
it's crazy. I think that that's just uh. I think
that's something that they have planned for him right now.
But yeah, it could be a possibility I get to
score the young buck and showing him how it's really done.
T uh. Lastly, though, I will say.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Oh does it there's a tie tie.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
I will say yeah, Tank Tank Davis. I think I
don't like him just for the fact that, look, he's
doing great for the sport as far as like knowing
how to to generate it you know what I mean.
I think that's cool, that's great, he knows what he's
doing with that side, alongside with Al Hayman and the team.
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But I just don't like a guy that doesn't want
to fight fighters, fighters, like true true fighters. But then
again because because look at it, Lemon Roach is a
world champion at won thirty yes, going up to one
thirty five. We've seen Leo Santa Cruz fight from one.
What you know, We've seen Jose Pedrazza when he won
his first world title against Padraza, but who hadn't fought
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for like twenty four months or so or eighteen months,
So there's ways that they know how to do these things.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
In Tank's defense, though, he did go up to one
and for the guy in bar Rios win and he's
won since then big fights. Mario has right and he's
a big guy, so he's willing to fight a bigger
guy as well.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
At what cause?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Though, would you do a rehydration clause if you're fourteen?
But why would you?
Speaker 5 (49:18):
Though I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
To get to fight Tank, to get that biggest bag
of your life, would you sign a rehydration clause?
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Are you saying that center and that's what they would
ask for.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I'm just because he's in a different weight class, you know,
that's all. If it was.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
A clause, that's the thing, you know, because I'm world
champion at forty, I'm not gonna go down. I can't.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
So if he comes up to what would.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
You so what if? What if you can only gain
ten pounds?
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Look, if Tank believes he could beat me, there shouldn't
be no rehydration clause.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
I don't balloon up anyways.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
So I go up the max.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
I go up at forty, I go up like fifty four.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
On that note, all of the fighters you mentioned that
are on your on your list and possible fights that happen.
Hopefully this for a fight deal with, but his Excellency
happens looking forward to seeing you back in the ring.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
They are talking about Shakhor and Davis.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Though Shakur and Davis fighting each other. Yeah, oh, so
that's a fight that his excellency is working on.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Now I wouldn't say he's working on, but it's it's
been talked about.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Okay, Yeah, I mean that's a that's a great matchup
as well. But you're you're one of the most exciting
fighters in all the box and nobody can.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Not need to be there, so we need to see
you in a ring. It's like it can't be a
want no more. This shit got to be a need.
So that's that's what driven me a lot too, not
to not to extend this part of the conversation, but
right I need to. There's no wants anymore in this ship.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I need how many times you want to fight this year?
Speaker 5 (50:46):
And that to me, I'm only even probably get to
this year.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
To make it clear to your female opens addressed it here.
He's not a racist. The comments that he do. You
feel like you have to apologize to the people you
offended at all.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Fuck you grow some balls, Nah, don't don't say.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
That, and make sure to watch me may say, you know,
May third, and to see your boy whether it win
or get knocked out. And I appreciate y'all. Thank you
for always supporting me and loving me and or hating
me either way. You know, jealousy has a is a
is a bittersweet fruit. It tastes real good sometimes.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Thanks for joining me the ring, champsck and Barack.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
All right, peace, love,
Welcome back to another edition of Ring Champs. I go
to the name of and I'm barocked to boxing. Bully,
thanks for joining us friends to the room. One of
the most exciting, explosive fighters in all of boxing. Some
say two time undisputed champion, our guy to take over
to female.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I don't know if he's still friends, man, I don't know.
You've been doing some crazy stuff friends for promotion.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
None them.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We're gonna jump into that right away, right like that
song right there, that's old school right there.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Come on, he's a so look he got the velvet
douke rag, he got a little soul.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Let's get into it so we can get the elephant
in the room.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Let's go address it right away. We're gonna talk boxing
and what's coming up.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
A lot of stuff going on this year, especially this week.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Right Obviously, you were on the internet for a very
long time because of the comments you made about Javonte
and Crawford, right, but since then you just you're you're
fresh off of Saudi and you ran into Terrece Crawford,
who addressed I guess addressed to the you know, the situation,
and you told him that this was for promotion. My
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question to you is, and we'll get into that interaction
with you and Bud in hindsight, do you feel or
was worth it?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Whatever you said or did for promotion, do you feel
that you got what you wanted to get out of it?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Is?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Was it all worth it? W with the people you offended?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
The people are offended.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, I mean a lot of people are offended about
the comments cause they they took it as a a
a racist comment. Now, me knowing you, I never saw
you as a racist at all. Right, I mean, y y,
You're from Brooklyn and you never gave that energy, but
people took it that way. Right, So do you feel
do you regret anything that you said?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
No, I don't regret anything I said because at the
end of it all, it's really, uh, it's sports entertainment.
There's no such thing as bad publicity. There's no such
thing as good publicity when it comes to U a
A unless it's like a murder charge or battery on
a woman or something like that for fighters. So to
be honest, though, let me let me actually clarify for
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everybody because people think that that was just a hindsight
moment with me and Crawford, but we already discussed that
in Turkey's farmhouse. Okay, we already had before. So me
and Crawford, he's he's coming out the room, and I'm
sitting with David Benavidez, so we're just waiting to get
in our turn. And then we all ended up staying
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in the same room. Prior to that, though, Crawford being Crawford,
he wants to discuss the situation. I said, but when
are we gonna still fight? Though I would want to fight,
And I said one fifty four, So my whole, my
whole thing right there. But I already see that he's
not gonna fight until he gets Canelo. But anyways, to
that point, he asks me, what was the whole purpose
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of that though, And I said, to promote and so
I can get a fight with y'all, right, because he
asked me too, like on a sincere level, He said,
what was that all about? What you're really on that?
I said, nah, bro, it's really just for promotion reasons.
That way I get these fights going with y'all. So
he said, all right, He pat me in the back
twice and then that was it. We get to the
room with Turkey and then we started discussing fights that
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we we all planning on doing this year and next year.
That was about it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
So that was before the whole thing right there.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
But then me and Crapping was chill. We was talking
like nothing ever happened after that. So then that video
right there, Crawford being crawfing. That's cool because my my,
my point of view right there and that and that
that moment of vibes is like, I don't need to
be fighting with you no more. We already discussed the
so so you can poke me whatever they want to say.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
How you feel about that.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I don't care because it's already discussed prior to it.
So now that's just all marketing and show. So you
know what, if anything, I don't regret it, go ahead.
Y'all get a little bit looked back from it. But
then that lets me know on another version of something,
everybody was tuning in and now they got something out
of it. And unless we know all the dummies out
there that they've been watching me, So it's been working.
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I've been working. It's been working, I guess. So.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I mean I knew you for a long time since
she was younger, so I obviously know you're not racist.
I feel you're not racist, but that don't mean I
like what you was doing. You know what I'm saying.
I don't like what you was doing. But what did
you get out of it so far? Do you think
a fight is gonna come up.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Out of it?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Now?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
With Crawford, that's for sure because he already got his.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But what about is saying now? No, I ain't fighting
him now he racist, I ain't fighting him.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
That's crazy. That wasn't how it was back then. I
don't know you're talking about old school and shit, But like,
what did you want to like? Nah? Let me shut
up this racist fuck.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You know what I'm saying. I do get your point
right because your course said. I don't know about anybody else,
but I'll fight him.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I'm not gonna not give him for what else?
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, he said he went to bat for you. He said,
I know him, he's not racist or whatever. Yeah, that's obvious.
That's obvious he's said.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But he called what you were doing goof He doesn't
know why you're doing it now. Speaking of Keyshawn that
he just brought up. I'm not sure if your addresses
on the internet, right, but are you the person that
send the watermelon in a banana to Keyshawn's room because
you were watching a video eating a banana laughing and
that's what's out now. They took it away from Baron
check and said it wasn't him, it was you.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So was it really you?
Speaker 5 (05:22):
No, it wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You serious?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Serious? If you want to break some news, be honest.
So who could have helped?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So you saw it and said let me capitalize on
this and let me exactly?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, Yo, that's how I.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Barchick was sitting there not knowing. We don't know what's
going on, all right, So I think.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
It's an inside job. That's what I think me personally
like whoever was whether, I don't want to put the
whole thing. But if it's an inside job, it could
be promotion, network and or team, so it could be
others because to that motion to the card exactly, So
what did I do? I just, if anything, I helped
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Baranchake and bear Chick and Ukraine. I kind of helped
him on that side, and I put the blame back
on me and Usik who I was who I ran
to in Saudi. He laughed and he was he was
good like giggling about it. He said, thanks bro, thanks chump,
and we took a photo.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
But it's just I don't don't want to understand the
culture hand American.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
What how offensive that could.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Be in a watermelon? I think that's just being nicer
because I love I think Latinos loved watermelon. Everybody loved
fucking watermelon, you know what I mean. So I think
that that that's that's not something I would do. You
wouldn't go that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You wouldn't go that far. You wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
I don't want to say that. God, I just I
just would I would. I just do it prettier. I
guess I do a little bit nicer, all right, So,
because all I did was either banana and live and
people already put the blame on.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Me and you and you accepted it, but but you
basically wanted to blame the way you did that, Come on.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
This is how you promote, all right, right, So I
haven't thought since June twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Nine, So you're getting just to kind of wrap that
subject up.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You got what you wanted to get out of, you know,
monkey bananas and all those other I guess offensive things
to some people. You feel like you got what you
needed to get out of that.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, okay, I did. I think so. I think so.
I think that it lets me know maneuvers are one thing,
and that's yeah. They say chest checkers, all this extra stuff.
But it's like I'm still on the board. That means
that I still get a play at this game of
that we call boxing or the game that we call
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of life.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I think, but I'm not. All publicity is not necessarily
good because you could lose endorsements, You could lose friends,
you know what I mean, you could lose supporters, you know.
So just because people know that doesn't mean it's good
that you I didn't like what. It doesn't matter when
it comes to race, those stereoty what.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
About be hot Bernard Hopkins Puerto Rican flag?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He had to run out of there too, un run
out of there, be out, but he made it out
of there alive, luckily.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
You know. But it's always been around, you know what
I'm saying. I'm just the type of person, that old
school type vibe. It's just I can't let people forget
the origin of this.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
All right, So being there were on the race topic,
let me keep.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
On because we're racist I'm gonna be honest with y'all.
We are racists, all of us. You know why, because
we're against the one true race that matters the most,
and that's the human race. We're all divided. Think about it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I can't disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Let's talk about you threw a subliminal out there to
to one of our partners here and our colleagues and
Andre Ward once upon a time insimulating that he only
wants to interview black fighters, right. I mean, we've seen
them all with caved plant, so that's obviously not true.
But give me your take on that. And why did
you say.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
That so that he could get it so I get
an interview with.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I thought he's gonna say something different.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Me and Ward have had our interactions, bro, and sometimes
we've even had our points where we just manui mono
like deadlock.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Like conversations like we just or just staring at each
other like the ego trip.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Did you have problems with the way he called some
of your fights at ESPN?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
No, I don't mind. It's constructive criticism, Teddy Atlas. I
was just with him. We were doing we were commentating
one of the fights. I think big Bang, Big bang
Shang and we was we was commentating, but I was
talking to Teddy, and Teddy's fucking freaking has given me
the most constructive criticism in my game, a fighting how
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I'm not consistent in my my my plans and my
fight my fighting fight games and fight matches. I told
him at the side, I said, Yo, bro, I don't
take it bad. I take it as constructive criticism because
I'm gonna go back in the drawing board and figure
out what the problem is. If there is a problem,
then I gotta go in and fix it. But that's
part of it. Andre Ward Josh Taylor. Right before we
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got I went in the ring and I just right
before everything, I just looked at him. He looked at me,
and he went like this, and I was just we
just there like I'm about to show you, like we
ain't say nothing, but I'm in the ring, gloved up
already by the fight. Josh Taylor me, technically for Undisputed,
but for the ring magazine, in the w VO, I'm
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just staring at him and we locked eyes and pretty
much that's he knows what that means. That means like
I'm about to show you what I'm about to do
or to talk. Now it's time.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I'm gonna show you what I felt that andre Ward
wasn't picking you for that fight.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Nobody was no get out of here, we knew you
was gonna beat him.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I want to record, all right.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I appreciate y'all for it. But the thing is like,
at least for the most part, the writers, the writers
in the game, and I think just the people in
the network, didn't expect me to win.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So after you won, did you look at on wards?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
No, I already I did it prior to it. So
whatever the win was already the the stamp right there
for him.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
All right.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
So and that was his last show, right or something
like that? Yeah, one more, one more? I think it
was just one one of his last shows before he
left ESPN. Right, and Max Kellerman too. Max Kellerman said
that on that it me beating Josh sailor that will
determine me as a two He would he want to
see or agree, like disagree with me being a two
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time on the speed of World Champion. Let him go
after that either way.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You're you're linear no matter what your linear, no matter what,
you're a real champion, Like right now, you are the
real champion. Back in the days, they didn't call everybody
a champion. They said titleist and they said champions. So
you beat a champion and everybody else would be tired
of this from now. You know what I mean, all right,
So I won't talk.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
About starting to shift a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I don't know if it's with everyone or just with
me in particular. And that's why I came out here
and did things that I knew that. It's a gamble.
Boxing is hit don't get hit. Boxing is where you hit,
you might get hit. You know, you can't go in
water and expect not to get wet. So I think
that it's that's why I did these things where I
was navigating and maneuvering the way I was with even
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I think even with my people and in the black
culture and everything. I think I was navigating that way
because I knew I would get shit out of it.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
But it's too to keep me in that loop, because
I need to stay in this.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Loop conversation because you're not because.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Well, it's about it. It hasn't been a year just
yet since I fought. But it's more than that. It's
the fact that I'm dealing with certain situations where there's
hubs in this in this boxing game or just an
industries overall industries in many aspects, and if you're not
in the in the if you're not seen the right
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or doing the right things for them for the way
they want it, then there's a hard there's a hard
how can I say there's a hard way of not
getting the things that you need or deserve.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Do you feel like frustrated? Like you see other fighters
They might be making a lot of money and you've
been vocal about I haven't made this amount of money yet.
I haven't even made them millions and millions yet. Do
you feel frustrated when you see guys that you came
up with in the game, you know in the amateurs,
knew these guys, they were your friends, and they making millions.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
I'm not listen, i can't be mad at them for
what they're doing. I'm more upset with the business of it.
That's all. Like, I'm not gonna pocket watch these uh,
these fighters because they all did they think. You know
what I'm saying, I'm gonna give credit what credits due
although they haven't accomplished what I think they haven't accomplished
on my behalf. Every belt that you see here, I've
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carried right right here in the ring Champs. I've carried yes,
you know so and all of that at twenty three.
So it's it's more of the essence of like there's
business people that just that really believe that you gotta
come this way or there's no way for you won't win.
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You won't win with us because they taking a lot
on the end.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
What business people are those? What networks I mean talk about?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I can't look it's because look, I'm still in the
I'm still in the huddle. I'm still in there. I'm
still in that hut.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So you can't you can't find any shots at anybody yet.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Because you don't know where you because I'm do I
gotta fight line.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
I got things that we're talking about right now as
we speak. Yeah, possibly times square here, Yeah, but they
not solidified to our signs, so that shit could How.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Confident are you in and spending time with his excellency
Turkey Ali Sheik right being in that environment. You see
what he's doing in the sport right now. I mean
the card we just watched on Shorebird twenty second was
amazing right. Are you confident that you guys will work
together and you will end up fighting on the same
day of Ryan Garcia and than Haiti.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
To me, it's like with with the ones in the
royal family in Saudi, his Excellency and everyone that comes
to play. I believe so I believe that they are
true men and women. But I believe that there are
true men that they know what they want out of this.
And I think that me being at the same time
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his ring champion because now he is the owner, that's
the right point. So I am his champion. Outside of
the w BO, I'm their world champion, but I am
his champion, so you gotta display your ring champion.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I didn't think of it that way. That makes sense.
So what are some of the names that they're given?
Is it Hitchins? Who is it?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Is?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Those two?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Those two? And which one would you rather? I know
before you said man, please don't say no, honoball Bosa
because maybe at the time he didn't deserve it, But
now do you feel like he's deserving I.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Mean he's they both both fighters have earned their shot
at two female Who do you want?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Which one do you want more?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I think that if it's in a New York fight.
I think for the aspect of it, Kingdom New York
type vibes.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
You got Hitchins right, right, and he's a boxer.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
A lot of people say I don't do well with boxes,
and I want to test that theory. Now I'm moving forward,
you know what I'm saying. I like to test myself
and show that I can. I just had a lot
of difficulties last year.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Okay, Hitchin said that you did. I mean you, I
think stated there was an all for me.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Sure you would know, right, it's personal, could really mess
up your business.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You guys went back and forth on social media.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, you were Hitchings and you claim, to my understanding
that there was an offer said to him and he
said it wasn't enough.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
How true is that? Talk about that?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I believe, yeah, I believe that what they have in mind,
at least from his excellency. I can't really say what's
the number rate, but obviously talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Since you've been in Saudi recent I'm talking about a
few weeks back.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Art.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
I'm just trying to like kind of break it down
for everyone. It's pretty much Look when I I think
if you're gonna I guess they don't. They're not the
way I am. If I say I'm gonna fuck you
up or I'm gonna beat you, I'm gonna fight you
in the ring, I'm gonna fight you, and no matter
what how much they pay me, I'm gonna fight you.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
You're proven that, all right, You've definitely proven that.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
But these other guys, and and with Taylor to Taylor,
I didn't get lied either. So call me call me.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I think I got like eight hundred and that was Richard.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Call me top top heaviest punches at one thirty five
and another world champion.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You're not driven by money, like if you really want
to fight somebody.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
If you want to fight somebody, but not only fight somebody,
but knowing that when I beat you, this is the
outcome from it. Now, I've been played by the system
of boxing by thinking that's how it works. But these
other guys aren't a safe net. They got safety nets.
So even if they lose by me, they're gonna be
all right. Me was never that case. Financially, Yeah, they'll
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be all right. But I think that what the Hitchins
probably is asking for is close to the three you know,
And I don't know if his excellency and those are
the parties Ala Sela and for a reality season. I
don't know if they think that's a worthy fight for it,
but I think if it's hosted here, I believe he'll
bring more volume because now you got fifty cent that
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shouted out Richardson Hitchins as the new IBF world champion.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So these acts are close to three million.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I believe, so, I believe so, I so so what
I've heard, because obviously it's a little bit of a
conflict of interest because we have the same manager.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
What are you comfortable with making for that fight? Let's
let's talk about it, because I'm always having about this
money Joe, right and why how fights don't get made?
They don't get made, and nobody ever knows what this
fighter turned down?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Or this fighter price that's all I hear. This fighter
price himself out. I never know the numbers. So what
do you need to make that fight happen?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
And you be.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Comfortable with it?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Right now? I need a fight?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Good answer? Always trying to get somebody's problem.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Mind your business?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Tell me what your paycheck is that's right.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
No, No, you don't understand. That's part of the sport
because they bring that in when it comes to fights
not being made.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Nah, nobody, you may not everyone.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Is like that right now. I have me personally, I
don't think anyone.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
It's it's weird.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
This guy doesn't want to get my questions answer.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know, for years, for years I say, for years,
I say, we shouldn't count nobody.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I'm assuming it's more.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Than three million, if that's what Hitchins want, so we'll leave.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It at that.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Now it's it's it's good money, good money on the table.
But it's a three fight. Three Now his excellency wants
to extend it's a four fights, so.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That is more pay.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
We're looking at over thirty million. So I'm in chick.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Whatever we have.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Think. Look, look, do you think your welcome So imagine
I mean imagine nose even, and it's gonna be a
little bit more. Now he wants the fourth fight.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So all right, So do you think Arno Bobo's a
beat cattle roll? Because that was a close fight.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I wish I wish I could tell you I didn't
see it. I was actually on my way from California
to back to Miami. But because I had, like I
just wanted to spend some time with my fam for
the Valentine But had I known, I probably just went
straight to London. I should have just went straight to London.
But then again I wasn't. I thought we were more.
(20:30):
We're marinating more of the Hitchins fight.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So speaking of Hitches, what is your take on his
performance winning the title.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Against I think he thought he was gonna win.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You think you're saying that he went into the fight
thinking he would lose.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Not thinking he would lose.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Just a reaction from you after the fight, how he.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Jumped up and like fell on the floor.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I didn't won the world title.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I mean, how do you how did you feel when
you're world title?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I just carried it against Coman.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Now you ain't did a back.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You were happy when you did it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Back from No.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
But that was that was after the wind right, But
when he got the win, he like jumped on the
floor and ship, Look, you know what emotions right, You
can't you can't stop them when they when they're going through.
Good for him, Good for him. I think he did well.
He out boxing very nice. Hitches is well rounded fight
him and he got beautiful one two punches, straight shots,
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So it'll be a great fight.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Who's a tougher fight, honorable boz Or Hitchings my mind,
all right, But I'm just saying I get it. We
we we ourselves are always our toughest opponent. But on paper,
you know, you look at each one, who's the tougher fight?
Speaker 5 (21:44):
My mind, it's just me every time? Man, do I
still got it? Who? What your female? We're gonna get?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So you still ques?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Those are your those are your thoughts or you're just
what people are saying him.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
No, he's saying that's his mind.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
No, a little bit of both is you got to.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Mix it around so you still have those moments when
you when you ask yourself and you still have it.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Oh, No, I do have it. I needed the Clagate
fight though, that Clager fighter, even though it looked like
whatever they wanted to say out of it, I threw
the most punches in my career ever, almost nearly a
thousand punches in twelve rounds. Right, and but the main
part of it. And I appreciate my father, who is
my coach, my trainer. I appreciate him. He was telling
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me you're gonna get your second win. Don't worry about
that shit. You're gonna get it. And I listened to
him well instructed and and you know it, while doing that,
it almost gave me that quote from Muhamma Ali. He
says the will must be stronger than the skill. And
in that fight, my skills may not have been where
I think the greatest, but it was my will. I
(22:55):
lost fire in this game. I'm not gonna lie to
you around what time period the Taylor when I wanted
to retire because I kind of wanted to. I'm tired
of wrestling with the devil, you know, so to speak,
tired of it. You know, I want to just now
I got a three year old. I want to spend
real quality time with him and understand my love that
I put into his mother. Now I see it walking
(23:17):
around in this world, that being my son. So I
want to really enjoy that moment. I haven't gotten to
see him grow up, you know, I haven't seen him
in over two months. So you know why, his mother
and I'd just rather deal with the courts so that
way we settle that shit over over the way.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So you guys, are you and his mother are not
getting along, which is causing visitation issues.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
It was we just finished with the courts, so I'm
good now. I just didn't want to deal with that shit.
Prior to it, I didn't want to deal with it.
So what I do kept myself busy traveling around promoting,
giving back to communities, going to Texas like poor little
Valley areas and Texas, you know, giving book bags and
stuff because you got also with the stuff that's going
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on with Ice, supporting a lot of Hispanics.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Around the world or around here in the US.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
So all these things, I'm just trying to at the
same time be around and surrounded by kids while you know,
I'm missing mine.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Wow, Yeah, that's crazy, all right? So fight for a
fight deal, and you're all in right now with Turkey,
I believe.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
So yeah. I would say, if you're telling me from
one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
From his hit, I think you're like eighty eight percent,
all right.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So all of these ideas he have talking about Coliseum, Alcatraz,
all of that time square, which one would you want
to fight?
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Well, I'm already lined up for Alcatraz, right yeah, and
it's on a different date, but this is on a
different time now, because his excellency. I'm not sure if
I can elaborate on it because that was part of
the meeting with Benavidez and and Crawford and myself, so
I'll keep it there for now. Don't want to ruin
the relationship with him as well. But yeah, big news
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of other parties coming involved, I mean huge, big time,
and I'll be main event for one of them, for
one of those big shows that they plan on doing.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
You just mentioned being in a room of Benaviadas and
Crow for we talked about what happened with you guys
on video. You mentioned sparring, But do you still want
to fight Crawford at some point in a professional prize fight.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
I would like to, and I told him that, but
it's not going to be there while he's with.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Turkey, especially sixty eight to fight that part.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Too, So I just told him, like will spar but
I ain't telling him the rules yet. In the spar
no again, we do ten ounces, so it's like a
fight just fighting.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I mean that's foolish though, it's like a real prize
fight and not get paid for it.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I'd rather get that than not fight him at all
at all.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I got you is there something inside of you that
dislikes Crawford. Is that what it is?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I like Crawford.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Crawford likes me, and I knew that from just how
he he he.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I think people even nobody's really talking about it. But
he said when he sees me, he gonna right away
hit me, you know, on site. But he didn't do
that right.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I mean, you guys weren't a room with his excellency
and a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Of Oh no, this was even without his excellency there
at the moment.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You know, there was an opportunity for that.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
There was an opportunity for both of us to just
handle it right there.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I mean, Crawford his level hurt it. I don't think
he's just gonna jump on somebody. He probably wanted to
really address it. Uh, and you guys addressed it. I mean,
it seems like all this copoesthetic.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Rights, so that I text, look, oh, but I turned
off my phone, but I wrote, I wrote him on
DMS and I just told him, well, we still need
to settle this beat, like this situation, this matter and
in Spartan, so I give him my number and everything.
I just told him let me know when.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
He spond on the damn.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah. On Saturday March twenty second, Wortal Champions and after
the cowering in Perno, Fondora defends his title against Gordelle Booker.
Don't miss He's he's foremost.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Junior in Kenvin Sogdo and all Mexican Showdown tickets on sale.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Now, are you are you training with any rate?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So to some degree is he part of your camp?
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I believe so. I think that we still have to
discuss certain things with him and my father as like
with the training situation. So I think once we get
that involved and I think we will definitely know, it'll
be definitely or not.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
With that being said, Canelo Crawford, Yeah, should happen in September?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Should Canelo win in May?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And I know you on Reckon already saying that he
can't be Canelo. Do you still feel that way?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, I mean, listen to I think stylistically, Crawford could
stay in there long enough. However, it's just with the weight,
and I mean Canelo, he's he's gotten better ever since Mayweather,
but now he's increased a little bit. Nevertheless, though I
think that, uh, I think I think Canelo will get him.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
You know who I will talk about. I will talk
about secor Stevenson because you guys were friends. I remember
I had I did a show on Serious XEM years
ago and I had you him, jose Ra Marri's. Everybody
was cool, everybody was great. But now all of a sudden,
it seemed like there's an issue. And the other day
on the Art Award course said that you know, you
guys were in the same place, I guess in Saudi
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Arabia or wherever, and he was like, you were given
Uh what did he say? Like female vibe? You're just
saying that you wanted an attention, you wanted people to
look at you.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
What you mean? Oh? What? Like? Bro, I'm the takeover though,
to mean I step in the room and I already
take over.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Are y'all cool or not?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You went the man? I was giving Buddy instructions while
he was fighting on Padley. Really yeah, I was like,
keep the left hand up, and I'm telling him stead
goes back to the body.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, it don't seem like that issue.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Is that a potential fight?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I want all of them to win.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You got a you have a full fight deal.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I need to hear the full names that ideally you
would want not like.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Oh this to just give me four matter what if
you the winner?
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Okay, the win. Well, right now, I'm trying to push
more on the Hitchens, but I know that we just
had our little back and forth with Barbosa this past
weekend because his excellency really wants that, Okay, Okay, So
after that, I would like the winner right away from
from Boots Staniosis, because they're fighting for the ring at
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forty seven. Yeah, so I'll be a three time Leneal
world champion at twenty eight. I think that'll be amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Okay, nobody really calling out Boots.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Yeah, but well it's the winner between Boots and Staniosa,
and Staniosa is still a live dog even though he
has a fall for about fourteen months. Okay, after that
after that, or the winner between Hainey Garcia.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay, yeah, that's I guess that's full names, right, that's change.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah, and then those two after that. Yeah, unless there's
somebody else that maybe I could catch at one fifty four,
but there's no you know, there's still people that need
to Yeah, don't pick up you know what how you
guys feel about xanders Ayas?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I like him. I like him, you know, but it's
still early, still early in his career. But I like
him as somebody.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Oh no, I know him like no.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I think he's I think he's a good fighter.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
I think he's smart, like going, I like going after
guys that are like world champions. Right, he's still working
his rankings all right, but I think he deserves a
title shot.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, I mean he's worked this way up there. I
think he's a hellip fighter.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I want to talk You mentioned your father and uh
Eddie right working together. I want to address something that
I haven't had a clear answer about. Right, people have
been talking about your father getting punched in the face
or beat up.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
In some sort of gym.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
So I want I want you.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
To give me the story about what if there was
an incident with your father and a gym and somebody
assault to him.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Just talk to me about it.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
You know who really be there? Though? You need to
ask coach k K Coroma Coroma Coach K he was
the one that sucker punch my father And then I
was about it for what reason? Well, because we're going on, Well,
me and Kishan was spaaring. We only did four rounds
Keishawn's talking obviously. Everybody else is there, Jared Anderson, Chakor
(31:10):
was there, Antonio was there, the manager.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
How long ago was this this is the video that
just surfaced now of you and Kyshawn's sparring during that situation.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
How long ago was it?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
What time?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
When was this funck?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I remember? I think it was twenty oh? I think
it was the summer of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Okay, okayhead continue story.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I think it was. But you gotta catch these guys though,
and Keijon said, we did like eight nine rounds, bro
we only needed four cause I didn't have a mouthpiece.
So my dad asks for the spawn. They were agreed
with the spawn. But prior to that, they saw my
dad was falling on the floor because of his conditions.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
He was tired and shite was a feeling right, so
he collapsed.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
He collapsed in the ring like two days prior to
our sparring session, and everybody saw that in the gym
and Perfecting Athletes Perfecting Athletes at the time, Denise and
Paulina the nutritionist team, the women, they they saw that
and they helped my father out because he couldn't he
was having heart issues, So all that being in there,
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then I think they just see, uh, you know, you
see a week you know, you see a weak guy.
I think it's like like you see prey at that moment.
So I took advantage of that happened. So what happened
was they were going back and forth. Keishawn it is
you know, he's he's talking a lot of smack. First off,
they always talk smack. But nevertheless, we did. We did
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with four rounds, and I think the only thing that
really got crazy was the fact that I think he
hit me behind the head and my dad got mad
about that. But then he turns around and then my
Dad's like, fuck, you hit him, So I hit him.
And then after that the bell rings and then Keishan
hits me again after the bell, and that's when things
got roud. So K goes inside, my dad goes inside.
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They're arguing. Keith Shawn is there. I'm on my side,
and then next thing you know, we're talking and I
just see on the side of my eye it's K
punching sucker punching my father. Then he gets them back
in the ropes. My dad grabs him. They're holding on.
My Dad's telling him he can't breathe, but my dad
tries to hit k and then that was it.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Everybody at this point, because they were trying to say
that you watched it happen and didn't do anything to
protect your phone.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
We all jumped in there. Everybody went so we could
break it up, break it up, and Antonio Antonio.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
J.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Prince's right here, man. He told all the fighters to
head out because they started the fight and he ain't
want to get them in trouble.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So your father never hit the canvas because they're saying
that he got knocked out or whatever.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
No, bro, we Spaniard, bro. We were part Spaniard and
we were during but we're Spanniard bro. Like we got
a tin like for real, for real?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
How's he doing now?
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Like I've had flash knockdowns. I've never been knocked.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Out, right, how's he doing now? With his health?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
He's been well. I've been wanting him to come around
this ship. But y'all gotta understand, like having two heart
attacks and you know, almost a third one and all
that ship. My father, you know, he's still hanging in
there and all that, but it's not the same. So
you know, my only thing is that he's a great trainer,
and he knows stylistically with the ring IQ where I
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need to be at. I just don't like that if
Winoso comes into my camp, that they take all that
credit away from my father and add that on to Renoso.
I mean that already, But that will happen. I mean
but boxing business wise, come on, business wise, that will happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Look, Eddie's a hell of a trainer. We all show
what he did with Canelo, right, people with Canelo lows
to Floyd maywee people, No, I know.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
I'm saying guess what people were saying right that I'm
not taking away from you.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Made that Well listen, your father, your father, I mean,
no one could take that away from your father.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Let me let me finish my statement.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Right, So he's proved that he's that he's from that pedigree.
When people were saying you lost to Floyd, get a
new trainer, Canelo state lawyer and say, no, this is
the guy and look what he's accomplished since. Right, So
he's a great trainer, but it won't take away what
you already accomplished, right, Like to your point already unofficially
too unisputed crowns right.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
So I don't think that could.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Ever be taken away from your father, never if, even if,
even if Eddie gets some credit.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Now, I don't believe that, Bro, that's gonna block you.
That's gonna block you for more help.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
No, it's not I that's your emotions.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I know you love your father, but it's gonna block you.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Bro, I don't take you this way. Look, I'm not
gonna take away the fact that the benefits from it
with Renaosso teaming up with Team Canelo, you know what
I'm saying. We already worked with them a little bit,
got to see the feelings of it. It's more so
of the fact that my father definitely has I started
with my father. I would like to end with my father. However,
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I don't want these other well rounded people in the
support of boxing thinking that I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Loyal to that is what they think.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Man. Care. I care because I've already you know why
I careen bro August, because despite how much I've accomplished,
it's not promoted that way.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You know, it's the credit you deserve your film.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Let me tell you something, you will never get that, Yeah,
because you will never Floyd didn't get it, and Floyd
is the best.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
He didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Son't looking for it no more.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I just want my father to feel appreciated.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I know I get it, but don't let that stop
getting more help in your especially think.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
He's gonna stop because he's obviously I don't agree that
he's already agreed.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
So I just need this is a discussion we need
to talk to with Eddie is there. Thank you for
the help. It's gonna help me.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
I can learn things from them, but I understand that
my father is still my training.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
That how about you working with Eddie.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
He's the one that insisted Eddie stop. Listen.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It seems like Eddie and your father will be at
the corner for your next fight.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
That's what we're looking at. No, that's what what what
if if.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
If you do fight on a second in New York.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
City, Eddie, wouldn't he be in Saudi Arabia with Canelo
fighting on the third of May, which is a day later,
so he might not be in the corner.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
But yeah, that's the thing that his excellency was thinking
about with me, either Sady with Canelo on his card,
Wow or New York. So I was sitting there. I
was like, but no, no, no. I was like, but why
not Time Square? Why not New York?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
You know?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And what did he say in Times Square?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
No, no, no, he did it at first, but now
he sat back watching the event, watching the show, I
think them promoted me as well as his own and
putting me out there. Then he could changed his mind
and said, Okay, I think we could do Times Square.
I think that's why he wanted the Brobosa though. I
think it'd be all full Mexican card and with Canelo
and May third, No matter what, those are two great
(38:13):
fights in great events.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It is, so I'm not mad at incredible weekend, said,
speaking of Saudi, one thing that stood out to me was.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
The great and some people say the greatest lightweight of
all time.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Monos de Pierrera.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Durang was wearing a hat that said make boxing great again.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
He created it right hold hold.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
When we were watching the card, everybody was like, I
want that hat. The hat is amazing. You walk in
the studio today. In our studio. He had Diamantes in
New York City with the hat on it says make
boxing great again.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Stole it from Duran.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
The Hands of Stone and you hold on, No, on
a serious note, you tell us that this is your trademark,
you own, make boxing great Again. You even said, yeah,
he wasn't allowed to wear that, even though he's an
all time great.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
But I guess him a past and he didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Wait, he didn't bring no hats for us.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
No no hats, no hats, no hatch talk about.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
That, you know my yeah, my concept? Yeah, yeah, make
boxing great again? So yeah, I actually did. I copyrighted it,
trademarked it prior to announcing it, and at perfect time,
perfect timing because his excellency really kickstarted everything this year
with the Ring magazine and all these new changes in
(39:26):
the sport.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Now you gotta make boxing grain again.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You're gonna sell merch and nice with with that on there.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Yes, now that's what I'm working on. Uh, definitely contacting
other corporations and other people would love lids to be
a part of this, and you know, actually in collab
with them and let let them even see test the
market and stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Because I had the Black History.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Month make Boxing Great Again hat trying to do different
type of combinations to it.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And you wore that. Have you worn it? That nobody's
talked about that though.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, I know, because I'm not revert of the ram,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
No, what I'm talking about the fact with all the
backlash about the supposed racist remarks, but you wearing a
Black History Month I haven't seen them.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Have you seen them?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Well then again, you know, I mean I have yet to.
These are all prototypes, you know what I'm saying. Everything
that I'm doing at prototypes just to see test the market,
tests out what.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Put it in it like that.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Yeah, but I love the concert. Yeah, you know, this
was more like a Valentine theme. We got a Black
History Month theme. Definitely working on different oh even countries
I'm talking about. So what I noticed though with the
hat that they made for Roberto Duram make boxing great
again with my with my trademark, they.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Put the Saudi flag on the side, So that was
pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I want to talk about the company, the management company's
team that represented you throughout your whole career.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Mc Water's done a great job with you. When you
decided to part ways and join Keith Connley, who's also
a phenomenal manager, right, talk about that transition and why
you decided to switch teams.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Well, you know, I started with mcwater. I believe I
signed with David mcwater back in twenty fifteen, so I
was still amateur at that time. Wow, yeah, so ten
years Yeah, pretty much. You know, he definitely was there
with us after the Golden Gloves. He was there for
the Olympic qualifiers and mainly for the Olympic trials when
(41:21):
I the the same year that year when I won.
But yeah, just that relationship overall. I mean, he's done
a great job. He's done a fund job. I'm not
gonna take nothing bad from it, you know. I think
these are just good learned lessons that I experienced. He used.
He will always talk to me like if I was
one of his, like his kid and stuff, and you know,
(41:41):
so just with those things and that that type of relationship,
it was always great. I believe though as time as
time exceeded, like as time passed, the more the more
I achieved and stuff. It's just a little bit harder
any guy that's really gonna shoot for for the uh
for the moons.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah really, you know, And I think I didn't get
that so much.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
From him the way I wanted it to be. And
I think that he was creating more of relationships rather
than certain deals that I needed at that time. Okay,
but nevertheless, mcwater is definitely a good, good manager to
have around, especially in the beginning of your career. And
just like anything else, you know, some things are as
(42:24):
long as we have our relationship as friendships and stuff.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I think that you guys are still friends.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Yeah, never be nothing more than that, you know what
I'm saying. I think that set a head of a
job overall in my career. And he's doing great for
other fighters too. He even made a Ivan Baranchick at
that time I be a world champion, so you know
he's had a few guys that definitely had our world
class fighters.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
So earlier you said, you know, last year was a
tough year for you. So what's been the toughest thing
in your life?
Speaker 5 (42:54):
I gotta say the most toughest thing in my life,
I guess finding the love for my sport without just
going in there to fight. I think it's it's a
weird combination. I think that I like, I didn't spar
a lot. I probably sparred like seven times.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
That was crazy.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
But I probably sparred seven times in that whole year.
With two fights. I didn't spar a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You told us that last year, and you told us
that like that was something that you did on purpose,
but in reality you were struggling or something.
Speaker 5 (43:26):
I was struggling because I guess I just didn't want
to fight anymore. But I was just you.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Feel obligated to do it for monetary reasons.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
Exactly for monetary reasons. That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
So is that love back?
Speaker 5 (43:39):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And what triggered it? Do you think?
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Well? One, I think the official announcement with my divorce
is definitely key because any broken heart that you go
through is actually your make through and anything because you're
so determined. Secondly, my my my thrive and drive for it.
I found out that kit like, oh shoot, I really
do like fighting. What am I talking about? I love
actually pitting a guy, cracking him in the face and
(44:05):
seeing how they react to it, you know, at the
same time getting hit a little bit too.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
So I actually felt.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
That again and I was happy smiling, so that feels great.
And then thirdly, really is just the I'm back to
my one thing that I needed the most that I'm
here today and for that reason, boxing I was trying
to do everything else knowing boxing will always be there.
But then I forgot me because without my boxing, there
(44:34):
is no anything else around here. So my love for
my wife, my true first my first wife, really is
boxing and she's she's here right now and we're here together,
all of us for that reason.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Well, I want to bring up a matchup right there
to me and for many years it was one of
the best in all of boxing, and I.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Think today it still is.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, that's you versus Javonte Day this right because of
the explosiveness that both of you guys bring to the table,
the power, the twitchy speed, it's it's it's it's a
it's a mouth watering fight for fight fans, right, and
the baiting right obviously, Yeah, I mean, look the baby,
you're right. So obviously he's fighting Lamont Roach this week
(45:18):
in New York City. He's also mentioned things about on
site with you so to speak. You know, I guess
some subliminals out there because of those comments about the
monkey and banana and all that, Like he's he's the
one that said that he wouldn't want to fight him, right,
Was it him that said I don't even want to
fight him? Now because he's a racist. I want to
(45:39):
give you the bad because I noticed you mentioned I think,
if I'm not mistaken, I think I think said, well
want so is that fight on on your trajectory? Like
I know you we just talked about Fournans. You didn't
mention him, but here's one of the biggest stars in
(46:01):
the sport and it seems like one of the best matchups.
Is he on your agenda at some point?
Speaker 5 (46:06):
To be honest, I would like it. I think that's
a fight that it would be definitely needed for the
sport of boxing. It's like, you know, a line in
a gorilla you get to finally see them face each other,
so you get to actually see that not just from
a jungle aspect, but now from a human specimen aspect.
I think that would be great. You got basically two
(46:27):
guys that are like kings at what they do best.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
And they know how is it sa to say they
don't like each other?
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Yeah? I guess so. Yeah, I don't like them. I
don't like anybody. That's that's pretty much the possibility of
a match.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Who do you dislike the most out of all the
people you've gone back and forth.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
With, Who do I dislike the most, don't say yourself
other than myself my mind. I guess should I give
it to him?
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Should I give should I give him the dislike award?
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Dislike award? I gotta say, uh, keish so than tech. Yeah,
he lies too much. Like I think the whole knocking
out and him knocking my dad out. I I didn't
like that part the rounds that he expressed.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
I think this uh boastfield feeling of that he is
that guy.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
I mean they they it's top ranked, they know how
to line up matches for the guys.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
So so, so he could be a potential the poet
in as well.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
Yeah, if he says but he doesn't wanna fight the racist,
it's crazy. I think that that's just uh. I think
that's something that they have planned for him right now.
But yeah, it could be a possibility I get to
score the young buck and showing him how it's really done.
T uh. Lastly, though, I will say.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Oh does it there's a tie tie.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
I will say yeah, Tank Tank Davis. I think I
don't like him just for the fact that, look, he's
doing great for the sport as far as like knowing
how to to generate it you know what I mean.
I think that's cool, that's great, he knows what he's
doing with that side, alongside with Al Hayman and the team.
(48:25):
But I just don't like a guy that doesn't want
to fight fighters, fighters, like true true fighters. But then
again because because look at it, Lemon Roach is a
world champion at won thirty yes, going up to one
thirty five. We've seen Leo Santa Cruz fight from one.
What you know, We've seen Jose Pedrazza when he won
his first world title against Padraza, but who hadn't fought
(48:48):
for like twenty four months or so or eighteen months,
So there's ways that they know how to do these things.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
In Tank's defense, though, he did go up to one
and for the guy in bar Rios win and he's
won since then big fights. Mario has right and he's
a big guy, so he's willing to fight a bigger
guy as well.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
At what cause?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Though, would you do a rehydration clause if you're fourteen?
But why would you?
Speaker 5 (49:18):
Though I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
To get to fight Tank, to get that biggest bag
of your life, would you sign a rehydration clause?
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Are you saying that center and that's what they would
ask for.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I'm just because he's in a different weight class, you know,
that's all. If it was.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
A clause, that's the thing, you know, because I'm world
champion at forty, I'm not gonna go down. I can't.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
So if he comes up to what would.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
You so what if? What if you can only gain
ten pounds?
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Look, if Tank believes he could beat me, there shouldn't
be no rehydration clause.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
I don't balloon up anyways.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
So I go up the max.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
I go up at forty, I go up like fifty four.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
On that note, all of the fighters you mentioned that
are on your on your list and possible fights that happen.
Hopefully this for a fight deal with, but his Excellency
happens looking forward to seeing you back in the ring.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
They are talking about Shakhor and Davis.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Though Shakur and Davis fighting each other. Yeah, oh, so
that's a fight that his excellency is working on.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Now I wouldn't say he's working on, but it's it's
been talked about.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Okay, Yeah, I mean that's a that's a great matchup
as well. But you're you're one of the most exciting
fighters in all the box and nobody can.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Not need to be there, so we need to see
you in a ring. It's like it can't be a
want no more. This shit got to be a need.
So that's that's what driven me a lot too, not
to not to extend this part of the conversation, but
right I need to. There's no wants anymore in this ship.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I need how many times you want to fight this year?
Speaker 5 (50:46):
And that to me, I'm only even probably get to
this year.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
To make it clear to your female opens addressed it here.
He's not a racist. The comments that he do. You
feel like you have to apologize to the people you
offended at all.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Fuck you grow some balls, Nah, don't don't say.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
That, and make sure to watch me may say, you know,
May third, and to see your boy whether it win
or get knocked out. And I appreciate y'all. Thank you
for always supporting me and loving me and or hating
me either way. You know, jealousy has a is a
is a bittersweet fruit. It tastes real good sometimes.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Thanks for joining me the ring, champsck and Barack.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
All right, peace, love,
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