12-19 HOUR TWO OF RSL WITH Jimmy Sengenberger FILLING IN

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is Ryan Shuling live on Denver's Talk Station six
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all right, twice weekly for the Denver Gazette Tuesdays and Fridays.
And I do have a new piece coming out tomorrow.
I may tease that a little later and we will
discuss it on the show tomorrow when I'm also filling
in for Ryan. So recently there was a big debate
in Douglas County, particularly Douglas County Schools, over whether or

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not to allow advanced placement African American studies into the.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
District as a course at the high school level.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
A lot of conservatives being concerned that this is basically
a front for critical race theory. My guest today argues, no,
this isn't that critical race theory CRT is something very different,
and indeed advocated in a piece for the Rocky Mountain
Voice in late November entitled the value of AP African

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American Studies is in the truth Not CRT really advanced
this idea that yeah, it's actually okay, and you should
courage this and want this course to be taught in schools,
And indeed, in a seven to zero vote unanimous, the
Douglas County School Board voted yes, do so. Priscilla Ron

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is a master teacher of more than three decades and
is the former vice chair of the Colorado Republican Party.
She is the author of this piece, and my guest, Priscilla,
welcome back to Chao.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Good afternoon, Jimmy. Great to be on with you.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
As always, great to have you, my friend. And Merry
Christmas by.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
The way, Oh merry Christmas to you.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Less than a week away, just a matter of days away.
It's absolutely insane to think about. So let's before we
get into AP African American studies and so forth, let's establish,
if we could, Priscilla, what is critical race theory?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
As you see it.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Well, in a very simplistic term, A critical race theory
was started by some attorneys who studied systemically racist laws
in America. I mean, we can point to a lot
of those systemically racist laws, starting with slavery, you know,
Jim Crow laws, voting laws, marriage laws. Those are the

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types of things and how they if they were lingering
in you know, governmental or businesses these entities. Attorneys were
looking at these laws and trying to address the systemically
racist laws in America. Now that's just a very simplified
breakdown of what a critical race theory is. But it

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has morphed to have seen this morph in other entities
like public education, where it's become very race based and
focused on skin color and race talking about oppressor the oppressed,
that type of thing where decisions are made and judgments
are made based on skin color. So that's just the

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general explanation.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Now, Advanced placement is college level coursework. I took a
slew of AP classes, including AP Government and Politics, AP
Comparative Government in Politics, ap US history, and ones that.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Were not social studies. Although those were.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
My favorite and that provided an opportunity for me to
get a lot of college credits. So that by the
time I went to Regis University, it was one of
the big reasons I was able to graduate in three
years as opposed to four years, which saved a lot
of money and so forth. But when we look at
AP classes, there is subject matter that oftentimes is more

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advanced because it's intended to be more of a college
level kind of class. So when we look at AP
African American studies, we should keep that in mind because
there may be some content that's going to get students thinking, engaging.
Sometimes there may be some issues that are a little
more divisive and you just have to figure out, Okay,
how are you going to express those Well, with that said,

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as a little bit of a preface, for those who
aren't familiar with AP classes, how do you view AP
African American studies through the lens of CRT.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Well, when you're talking about history, and we as conservatives
say we're not opposed to talking about history. We know
there are ugly parts of our history and we're willing
to talk about them warts and all. But here's what's
important to know when you're when you're talking about history,
you're also talking about the successes and the victories in

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our nation. I mean, we have a lot of things
in our history that we're not proud of, but there
are plenty of things that we are proud of. We
ended slavery, we ended jimcro laws, We gave black people
the right to vote. I mean, we have improved our
education system to include all children, no matter what your

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race is. And so there are a lot of victories
that we have in our nation. But in AP African
Americans studies specifically, students are given various viewpoints that have
come along. But there are celebrations again around musicians, around
our They talk about Frederick Douglass, who was born a

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slave and died a millionaire and was an advisor to
five Republican US presidents. They talk about Booker T. Washington
and his support for trade and skills, and we talk
about the first female millionaire that created a hair product,

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and we talk about Black Wall Street in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
So there are a lot of things. But even within
all of those celebrations, there are African Americans who had
differing viewpoints, and so students listen to and read about
and discuss the different viewpoints and AP does not reward

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bias when they take their exam, they have to explain
and provide evidence. But it's not a biased type of
course where you can come in with a specific viewpoint
and not support it. AP is very clear about not indoctrinating.
That's in their mission, and so that's another thing that

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we need to look at, is like what's in the rubric,
how is the course being taught, and what is the
expectation of the outcome for students.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
You know, Priscilla Ron, one of the things that I
do get a little wary of because I have seen
bias I recall, at least to an extent in AP
classes that I went through, and in college of course,
you're going to see bias and so forth. To what
extent do you think there really are guarantees that you
won't get a biased skew of this course material in

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the classroom where there is a political bent versus the
objective that they're supposed to set out, Especially when nowadays
we see so many teachers and hear about them who
will bring their views into the class and make comments
or what have you. And for a lot of folks
on the right, this seems like a class that's AP
African American Studies that could open the door to that.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
That is an absolute, real fear and I think because
of that concern and where we have seen teachers bring
in their bias into the classroom that has created this distrust.
It's unfortunate, isn't This is not an indictment to black
history in America. It's an indictment of teachers in America
where we have lost the trust of parents, and parents

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have seen this. So it is in the best interests.
There's two things. It's in the best interest of a
teacher not to introduce bias in their classroom because their
students will not pass the course. And if you have
several of your students getting ones and twos on the
AP exam, that's not a good thing and they run
the risk of the school board revoking that course. So

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it's better for a teacher to make sure that they're
teaching the course with fidelity and according to the design
of AP. The other thing is like principles and evaluators
and superintendents are going to have to have measures in
plays to make sure that they're communicating with teachers about

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the expectations around not being biased and one sited and
indoctrinating kids. So this is a real thing. I'm not
going to say it doesn't happen, because of course it happens.
And this is the type of thing we need to
eliminate from our schools in order to rebuild trust with parents.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Sure, I do think that's well said.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Again, we're talking with Priscilla Ron for over thirty years
has been a master teacher. Well not all those years,
but she eventually got the credential of a master teacher,
and she's joining us on the program. A Priscilla, just
two more things on this topic real quick, and then
I want to talk about ted teachers' unions.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
In a moment.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
But you mentioned Frederick Dallas Douglas, the great abolitionist, and
I've written a number of columns and spoken about him
every Independence Day. I will read some of what he
said in his speech What to the Slave is the
fourth of July from eighteen fifty two, thirteen years before
the end of slavery. And one of the things that

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is so important to keep in mind about Frederick Douglass
is that he was born a slave. Slavery was still
going on when he gave that speech, even though his
freedom had been purchased, and he was the freeman by
that point.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yet he called the principles.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Of the Declaration, saving principles and the Constitution a glorious
liberty document. And what he rebuked the United States for
was not for the principles of the Constitution or the Declaration.
As many folks on the left will say, oh, they're terrible,
they'll failed principles like the sixteen nineteen Project posits, but

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they the failure of America was not.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Living up to those principles.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
And I do think the way you lay it out,
For example, in your peace last month for Rocky Mountain Voice,
Priscilla ron Is well put in that this is the
study really of the progress of America and how we've
overcome those evils to at least in some respects get
closer to the principles that Douglas was praising and criticizing

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America for not following.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Absolutely I applaud that breakdown of our history. It's when
you teach students about these courageous abolitionists who stood up
and said, we need you to be held accountable for
the very document that you say governs our land. Then
you start to see young people say, you know what,
that's right now, I can stay the pledge with pride,

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because whereas there's one side of this issue who says
we're not going to stand so the pledge, We're not
going to say the pledge. But it's really important because
they teach my students that last line, that of the
pledge that says liberty and justice for all. If you
don't know, that's what it says and you don't know,
to hold the government accountable for that. And so that's
our job as we the people, to make sure that

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our government is treating everybody with the same respect, dignity
and humanity that is afforded to every human being, those
analienable rights that we are all worthy of. And to
understand where the power in our government comes from. It
doesn't come from those who are governing. It comes from

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those who are being governed. Right, we give those powers,
and it's time for us to use our voice rather
than sit back and say, well, you know, I don't
understand politics, I don't want to get in politics, and
let someone else make the decisions for us. And that's
what we start to see in socialist countries, where the
government starts to make decisions for the people rather than
the people saying, you know what, I can make these

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decisions for myself. So it's really critical that students know
this journey in our notion.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Well, well said, and just real quickly, I do want
you to address one of the things you bring up
in the piece. You talk about how in twenty twenty four,
President Donald Trump earned twenty percent of the black vote,
a seven point increase from twenty twenty. Why is this
significant and relevant to the discussion of ap African American studies.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
It's because President Trump didn't pander to the black community
and he never has, and he said what do you
have to lose back in twenty sixteen in that election,
and he has stuck to that, and he's sticking with
the issues that impact black families, but really all families. Affordability,
private property ownership, educational choice. These are the issues that

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impact Black Americans. And you know, the Democrats just have
than delivered. Every four years they come to us in
the community and make all these promises. But like Malcolm
X said, you know, if you're voting for these people
who make these promises to you but they can't deliver
and they're in power, then you're traded to your race
and you're a Trump and that's what he said, and

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we need to remember that as a boat community, that
people need to earn our votes. People need to earn
our votes.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
There is a shifting gears here with your Priscilla Ron
for context. Until a few years ago, you were a
member of the Colorado Education Association, the affiliate organization here
in Colorado for the National Education Association.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
You left the Teachers' Union. Kudos to you for that.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
But there's another major national organization called the American Federation
of Teachers, and its president is Randy Weingarten, who was
one of the lead champions, by the way, for closing
schools across the country. And my friend Corey DeAngelis, author
of the book The Parent Revolution, put out a couple
of two weets from this podcast and the most recent

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episode of her podcast rather called Union Talk, and he
noted two things. One quote, one of Randy Winegarden's union
members joined her podcast and just told her she voted
for Donald Trump because she was better off when he
was in office, quoting her, I knew how well I

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lived economically when he was president. And she's an independent quote,
I do not toe party lines. And Angelis also pointed
out that Randy Winegarden revealed that about twenty five percent
of her members voted for Trump this year, but of course,
ninety nine point nine percent of her union's campaign contributions

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went to Democrats. As a thirty one year teacher, as
a former Teachers' Union member, what do you make of
what I just shared from Corey DeAngelis?

Speaker 5 (15:57):
I think this is very telling. We have a lot
of teachers who do not agree with leftist policies. I
know when I speak up in faculty meetings, I always
have teachers come up to me afterwards saying thank you
so much for saying that, because they're afraid. They don't
want to be called a racist. They don't want to
be ridiculed or ostracized. But you know, it's like the

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first follower. You have to be the one that has
the courage to speak up and say these ideas, these policies,
the things that you support are actually bad for kids
and bad for public education. I left the Teachers' Union
because I can no longer defend an organization and a
system that has actually hurt our kids. And we know
that because we just look at the outcomes. You look

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at the test results, our kids can't we didn't write
at grade level. They don't know how to treat each other,
they don't know how to you know, be in an
educational setting or respect their teachers. We have teachers leaving
the profession and droves because of the disrespect and the
inability to actually teach content. And so it's no surprise
that Randy is admitting publicly she's got to read the

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room and she needs to start making a change in
how she governs her organization and brings some dignity back
into being an educator.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Have you noticed, Priscilla Ron a trend, even a small one,
and even in a district like Denver where you work,
where the teachers have been making, at least to some extent,
a shift away from the expectation that they're going to
be Democrat supporters.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yes, And it's not just that they are turning away.
They are verbally saying, well, I'm a Republican and I'm
voting for Trump. And it's a wide range of educators
and Hispanic staff, people who are legal immigrants to this
country or whose parents were immigrants to this country. You know,

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it's definitely. I mean, you look at the numbers of
the election. I mean Trump won the popular vote too.
If that doesn't say anything, because I don't know what is,
but I mean that's a lot of Hispanics and a
lot of African Americans and a lot of everyday people
who are saying, we're stick and tired of what we
had the last four years and we don't want to
continue to go down this ditch. So yes, we are

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seeing more and more educators standing up against the craziness
in public education and then.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Of course going to craziness.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I could imagine and totally see teachers in Denver make
a shift because the way in which that district has
handled discipline issues, with their week efeckless discipline matrix, and
their failures to provide other aspects of school safety, and
for multiple years getting rid of school resource officers from campuses.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
The list goes on and on.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Of course, there's going to be that palpable frustration and
they know where to put it. Priscilla Ron excellent piece
at Rocky Mountain Voice last month. The value of ap
African American studies is in the truth, not CRT. Thanks
so much for your insights this afternoon to Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas, Thanks Jimmy, Thank you once again, Priscilla Ron

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Speaker 1 (20:48):
Burger is easy.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
So there is a crisis in our country and a
crisis in Aurora, Colorado, dealing with illegal immigration, and we
all know it.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
We have been talking here on this station.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Michael Brown has been talking about it, Ryan Schulling, Dan
kaplis yours truly when I fill in all of us,
we've been talking about how trend Deiragua, the Venezuelan gang
had taken over apartment complexes in Aurora and were extorting, threatening, intimidating, attacking, assaulting.

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The list goes on for the crimes that they had
been committing in Aurora, and the media and elected officials
had consistently been downplaying it. Jared Polis, Mayor, Mike Johnston,
members of the Aurora City Council and government, the Aurora
Police Department, Brass Congressman Jason carl They've all downplayed and

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said now there's nothing to see here and kept their
heads in the sand even as more and more evidence
was coming forward in the past several months. But thankfully
we've had folks like Aurora City Councilwoman Danielle Drinsky, former
ice Field director John Fabrigatory blowing the whistle on this

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and taking lead on this.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
And not letting it go.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
And now we know that nineteen people have been detained
in an home invasion at one of the apartment complexes
that Trump had even come to Aurora to speak about,
for allegedly torturing two people doing all during a home
invasion in the apartment complex Edge at Lowry just before

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two point thirty am on Tuesday. Police had received a
report of this armed home invasion. It had involved a
stabbing and kidnapping, and as USA Today actually has a
good report on this for the national media, take that

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police in Aurora their preliminary investigation. It indicated a man
and woman were approached by thirteen to fifteen armed individuals
around eight forty five pm on Monday. According to Chief
Todd Chamberlain during a news conference, the two individuals were
taken against their will to an adjoining apartment at Edge

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at Lowry, where they were bounded, pistol whipped, beaten, and terrorized.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
According to the chief, the man had.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Sustained a non life threatening stab wound during the incident.
The woman has other non life threatening in injuries, according
to the police. During the torture, the armed individuals went
back to the man and woman's apartment of burglarized it,
according to Chamberlain, and at some point the armed suspects

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released the victims, who then went to a nearby friend's
house called nine to one one about one point fifty am.
According to the Chief, look, a lot of people who
are being victimized in these situations are themselves illegal immigrants,
the most vulnerable people, and who may be fearful of
contacting law enforcement about the extortion, being told you pay

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rent to us, not to the apartment owners. And the
list goes on for the kinds of things they may
or may not have wanted to come.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Forward for fear of possible deportation.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Now, to be clear, not just because Colorado is a
sanctuary city, which has wider implications, but because law enforcement
wants crimes to be reported an illegal immigrant will not
be deported.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
For reporting a crime, and you know what, they should
not be.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
We want and need them to feel comfortable and confident
coming forward. Last night on nine News and next Danielle
Jurinski there and actually there was a fair report from
a reporter on nine News about this and working in
some things that Drinsky had said, take a listen to this.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
In a crime where immigrants are not only the victims
but also the perpetrators, it's time, one council member says,
to rethink the approach.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
We can't just continue to sit around and do nothing,
so something has to be done.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Aurora councilwoman Daniel Drinsky wants more resources dedicated to addressing
Aurora's trouble department complexes, where police say gang activity led
to two victims.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Being tortured early Tuesday morning.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
Aurora staffing levels are definitely critical right now. I would
like to see help come in.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
A spokesperson for the city says Aurora hasn't requested additional help.
Governor Polis says that support could be there are the.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
State stands by ready to help.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
As I said from the start, we are happy to
assist or a police department in any way they ask.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Drinsky's request comes as police have seen increased calls for
police help at the edge at Lowreed, where fourteen people
were attained in twenty twenty three one hundred and ninety
eight calls for service in twenty twenty four three hundred
and fifty three.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
But what I do know is that since this has
come forward, since this gang issue Trindia Ragua has been
made public, we have not been able to tackle it.
People are continuing to suffer.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
She says. If not additional staffing, then resources are needed
from other agencies.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
We need help, Our officers need help.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's gotten bad enough that they've actually done a fair
bit of journalism there at nine News, Like that's how
bad it's gotten that they have to have juritzkiot actually
be fair and accurate. That's pretty astonishing. Now it's important.
She's right, they need more resources. The state needs to

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step in and provide additional resources.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Apparently the other night when they went and.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Checked out the scene and detained what is now up
to nineteen people. When that happened, it was like half
the police force, or more than half the police force
that was on active duty at the time, were present
at the edge at Lowry like, that's how big and
significant this is. They need more resources, But you also

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need to understand the priority of resources. So there is
an interesting agreement between Alison Coombs and Danielle Jorinsky Alison
Coombs a socialist on the Aurora City Council, and Danielle
Djurinsky on one piece that needs a little bit of context.
Take a listen to these little snippets.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
Our city resources are not used for that purpose because
our city resources are intended for the purpose of providing
public safety and peace, not for the purpose of carrying
out of federal immigration laws.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
I also second thoughts that we should not be using
city resources such as our police department, to carry out
mass deportations.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yes, and guess what.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Practically nobody is suggesting otherwise saying law enforcement, local law
enforcement should be involved in rounding up No, what we
need and what Jurinsky has absolutely advocated, And that clip
doesn't show you've heard or talk about it here law
enforcement collaborating with and reporting things that need to be

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reported to ICE, to federal immigration authorities. It needs to happen.
They need to be cooperative with them and not have
this sanctuary status. Get in the way of reporting criminal
illegal immigrants to federal authorities when they are apprehended, saying oh,
these people do not have their documentation, or if asked

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to help with a particular circumstance. We don't want our
local law enforcement to say no. They need to be
involved fully in that regard, but not arms of the
federal government when it comes to enforcing immigration laws to

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the point of being another agency like an extension vice.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
There's a middle ground here that we are not.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
We're on the opposite side of that pendulum, and it
needs to swing back into the middle, and it needs
to happen quickly. Final segment up ahead. We are rocking
and rolling along very fast. Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for
Ryan Shuling as we continue on six point thirty K
how Denvers Talkstation well as we wrap up the wind

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down today's show. Jimmy Sangenberger, you're filling in today as
well as tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
For Ryan Shuling.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Watch for my column by the way, that we'll be
coming out in the Denver Gazette. I write every Tuesday
and Friday. It is entire then we will talk about
it as well. Colorado GOP's rookie lawyer will lead inquisition.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
How's that for a tease?

Speaker 3 (30:10):
As we wrap up the program, a little bit of
an update here on the discussion, and we've talked a
lot about this in the first hour, about the possibility
of a government shutdown and the lengthy bill that Republicans
have been turning on after Elon Musk tweeted criticism about
it yesterday, we now have a bill that Republicans have

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broadly supported that has gone down from one thousand, five
hundred and forty seven pages to that's a harmonica jump,
drum roll, folks, one hundred and sixteen pages.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
That's a little diddy. I hope that worked for you, Kelly.
It's also channeling lie.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
Thank you for the fifteen hundred pages down to one hundred
and sixteen.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Ed, there's a little joyful harmonica for that change. Trump
has hailed the deal as a very good deal for
the American people, saying it would keep the government open
and provide funds for farmers and people affected by recent storms.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
This according to The Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
He said it also includes a provision suspending the nation's
borrowing limit for two years until January twenty twenty seven.
That's got some consternation from some fiscal conservatives who have said,
like Chip broy from Texas, I don't want to support
any measure that won't cut spending in exchange for raising.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
The debt limit.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, Trump said I want to get rid of the
debt limit, or I want to raise the debt limit,
and then they've gone the route of suspending it for
two years.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I hope he will heed.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
What many are calling for as far as cuts once
he is president again, and that we actually see reductions
in spending as opposed to increases that we saw under
his administration. Largely that was due to COVID, but not exclusively.
Hopefully he will be in the cutting mood, and hopefully
we'll get rid of some departments like education that need

(32:29):
to go, and maybe, just maybe Doze will make a
real impact in that regard. We'll pick up the conversation
tomorrow two to four right here on six point thirty
k I when I fill in once again for Ryan Schuling.
We've got Deborah Flora and Christian Toto.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Coming in studio. Yes, it's gonna be great, It's gonna
be fun.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Bring your harmonicas I will, oh, I promise all right,
have a great one, folks.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Ryan schuling, god less America.