In this bonus hour from Friday morning, 'Anna' joins Ryan to rebut, refute, and re-examine 'Holly's' account of Victor Marx rescuing the troubled young girl from a sexual abuser and pedophile. Holly claims she was not a victim and that Anna 'manipulated' her into escaping British Columbia with Victor and heading to his compound in Colorado. Anna also shares her story on how she met and began working with Victor Marx, herself a victim of human trafficking in the late 1990s.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you, Victor.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I greatly appreciate your help and you praying over me,
And I definitely feel like there's like a weight lifted
off my shoulders because I'm not in that situation of
abuse and mental abuse and physical abuse no more.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
They can't hurt me, he can't.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Now, I'm just looking forward to the healing journey for
a good life.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That was Holly, who I had a conversation with, a
heartbreaking one at that and her plight certainly invites much
empathy from anybody that hears her story. The story she
told me, though, as many of you listeners have responded
to me, was difficult to follow. Victor Marx took Hollie
(00:58):
into his care under the assumption that she had been
sexually abused in mentally abused by her stepfather Less who
originally had been shacking up with Holly's mom, and as
you heard Holly in her conversation with me, she went
(01:20):
to his defense. She denied any of the abuse was happening.
She claims that she was manipulated by our next guest
and by Victor Marx himself. So trying to land on
the truth and the square that brings this all together,
My next guest here joining us on six point thirty
k how Anna, and I appreciate you reaching out in
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light of what you heard from Holly in my previous
conversation with her, and I guess I want to start
with what we just heard. This was a video? Is
this a video that you shot for her and sent
to Victor?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
It was actually a video that she asked to be
taken and sent to Victor. Hollie and I came into contact.
I also wanted to clarify as well that I was
never Holly's neighbor. I've lived in your fame residence that
it is about five miles away, and I've lived here
for the last five years, so I'm not certain why
(02:17):
she's saying I'm her neighbor. However, I did have a
temporary airbnb there that needed cleaning once in a while,
which is how I became friends with Holly. And Holly
Holly was outside smoking all the time, so we became
friends because it's a four plex, right, and so I
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got to know her, and then it came out, like
I did, the age gap because she was so young.
She looks seventeen eighteen and this guy looked like almost
sixty years old, and she was saying that it was
a boyfriend. And then the more that her and I
got together to know each other, she confided in me
that he used to date her mother and he was
(03:03):
her stepfather, and that she had actually is his partner now.
So there was times I was like going to clean
the airbnb and she would be very distraught and crying,
and I was loving to her. I've offered her, you know,
(03:26):
to teach her esthetician courses and stuff to try to,
you know, just help her and love on her, you know.
And this guy, Leslie Ward, was very kind of concerned
about me being around this girl because I suspect that
he knew I was onto him. And lo and behold,
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Holly confided in me. And I've got multiple recordings of this.
I mean, she's been in my home. I've got a
business in my home, so I've got cameras everywhere that
she's aware of. And I've got like proof that Holly
has been stating that this guy was like knocked her
up when she was fourteen and forced her to get
(04:08):
an abortion because he didn't want to go to prison
for getting getting her pregnant, and that she's been abused
by him, I've got I've got recordings that she's saying
that she's scared to tell the police that he's been
defiling her since she was fourteen because he will kill her.
(04:31):
I've got so many recordings of this. So I noticed
yesterday on your show that you asked Holly if she
was still with Lesson. She froze up and she said,
I can't answer that, and I can. Mike got instinctive
because he's sitting right behind beside her coaching her. Now,
when you played this audio for me this morning morning
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before I got on the show, sadness of what this
poor girl has gone through, and I firmly believe she's
got severe Stockholm syndrome. So when I what had happened
was Hally and I both had the police do a
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police escort to get her belongings out of her home
while Leslie Ward was at work because she was afraid
she couldn't leave him when he was there because he
attacks her and beats her up and all this stuff.
So I got police escort and she told the police
that she wanted to go. When when she came to
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my home, I didn't I didn't know where to put
her or where to take her. And then I thought
about Victor Marx because I've known of this ministry for decades.
I followed the story that he's rescued that girl, Norah
and she got her hands chopped off and was brutally raped,
and he led her to help and you know, finding
Jesus and all this stuff. And I've always, you know,
(06:05):
looked up to him through his ministries being so powerful.
And I did have this number because he actually knows
my ex husband from you know, two thousand and two, right,
And I'm also a minister. I've been in ministry for years.
I've had my own TV show and stuff like that,
so people in ministry kind of know of each other.
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And I knew a Victor and I contacted him and
I said, I've got this girl. I've explained the situation.
I said, I don't know what to do. I don't
have a safe house for her or anything. I don't
know what to do. I said, can you pray with
her on the phone. And immediately Victor dropped everything and
he prayed with her on the phone, and she said
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that she wanted to go to Colorado. And from what
my version is, as Victor had you know podcast, booked
and you know, speaking engagements booked and everything, and he
jumped on the plane immediately and he came and he
got her from me the next day.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Anna our guest, and she is the one that connected
as you just heard her describe Holly, who we spoke
with with Victor Marx now running for governor here in Colorado.
Not to be clear, Anna Holly were residing in British Columbia, Canada.
And Anna, I want to also kind of fill in
the color on why you would be maybe more hypersensitive
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to something that Holly is going through, because there is
something that you have been through in your personal life
that would make you keenly aware of when abuse is
going on. If you tell the people as much as
you want about your background and why you could relate
to Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I was a survivor of human trafficking from about nineteen
ninety seven to nineteen ninety nine, roughly. I gave my
life to Jesus Christ in nineteen ninety nine. I became
an ordained master reverend in Chaplain in two thousand and fifteen.
I've had a powerful ministry in the early two thousands
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that was rescuing women out of Cayman trafficking and domestic violence,
which I was also in a domestic violence relationship many
years ago in the nineties. So I've done a lot
of work and I've got a lot of experience in
dealing with women that have, you know, difficulty leaving their
abusers and stuff. I was one of them, you know,
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back in ninety five. I was in like seventeen battered
women's shelters because I had Stockholm syndrome. I know the signs.
I've done the work, I've done the education, the pastoral
crisis counseling. I'm also a licensed pastoral crisis counselor, so
I knew what to look for. And Holly is very innocent,
and in my opinion, she was grinned by this man.
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And not only that, but I'll say allegedly for legal purposes.
But I firmly believe that and have my reasons, firm
reasons that this leslie Ward also did prison time for
malas seeing two other kids under ten. I believe they
were former stepdaughters. So there's there's a pad. He's allegedly
(09:08):
a convicted pedophile, and I think that he prays on
single moms that have kids that he can pray on
those kids, right. So I've spoken to Holly's mom. Holly's
mom has confirmed all of this with me and reiterated
with everything with me. I'm certain that Victor Marx had
his teams that did all their research to ensure that
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she was definitely abused before he came, and he got
her right. So I handed her over to Victor and
Eileen to go there and then go to a safe house. Now,
you know, I firmly believe that Victor Mark's heart was
in the right place. I really really do. But then
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you know, Victor was contacting me, and I think he
was having a little bit of frustration because you know,
Hollywoo in contact with Less, and Holly was telling two
sides of the story. She would tell us and Victor,
I don't want to go home. He's abusing me. I'm
never going back. I've got videos of her saying that
all that, and then she would you know, be in
(10:14):
contact with Less and then be like, oh, no, you know,
they kidnapped me. And she was playing both sides. And
I understand this because this is what abusers do. Because
she was scared to tell him the truth of what
she was telling us in case she went back and
she got more beatings. So anybody that's listening to this
would understand this. So Holly's not a villain, Holly's not
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an intentional liyar. Holly's a victim and she's afraid, right.
But what happened was, you know, I was in contact
with Victor, and I had tried to tell Victor, like,
you got to be really delicate the way that you're
handling her, because she's got a lot of trauma and stuff,
and if you handle it certain a way, she's going
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to run back into his arms, right. And Like, I've
always looked up to Victor from what I see on
social media and everything and him having an amazing ministry
and all that, and I believe there's so much good
in Victor. And I do believe that Victor was abused
as a child, because how could anybody have that much
(11:17):
you know, drama and PTSD and stuff like that. If
you haven't, there's got to be some degree of it, right.
But when I tried to explain to Victor, like, I've
got a lot of experience working with these girls, Victor,
and you got to handle it this way or she's
going to leave I saw inside of him. That was
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something that I didn't see on the social media. It
was almost like his pride or his ego reared at
its ugly head and you know, you don't tell me
how to handle this. I've been doing this for a
long time type of thing. And there was a bit
of you know, excitement in that that triggered my own teaces.
(12:01):
And I was really having a hard time with this
because I was afraid she was going to go back
to the sky and that Victor was handling it the
wrong way. Now, Victor did tell me that he was
trying to get her in to see a special psychiatrist
that he was seeing. He was making efforts for that,
that he was trying to get her in for a
(12:23):
brain scan or something, but she wouldn't get out of
bed and leave and go do it. Like I do
believe there was things like that. I do. I did
find out eventually that she was in a psychiatric ward
for three months at one point, so she might have
been out of that for a couple months before I
came into contact with her, and so I believe Victor
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did get her in or try to get her help
in a psychiatric ward and stuff that. I think Victor,
you know, his heart may have been in the right place,
but I don't think he was equipped to handle the
type of abuse this peer girl went through. And I'm
listening to this interview yesterday and from somebody was as
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much experience as I have with who's also had an
abuser do the same thing to me when I was
twenty three. I think she was doing this radio show
because she was scared, you know, and she wanted to
think him, but not because she wanted to sink him.
Because this pedophile was so angry that Victor exposed him
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and it went all over the internet and he got
run out of town and lost his job for being
a pedophile. This Leslie Ward has a vendetta toward Victor
and he wants to take him down. And he's brainwashing
and manipulating this young girl of Stockholm Central, and when
he got her back, he impregnated her and they had
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a child together. Now I don't know if the child
I'm still with them or what. Because he's a pedophile,
how can it legally happen? I don't know how that
works or whatever. But my heart goes out to this girl,
and I am continuing to cover her in prayer and
hoping that one day she will get strong enough and
see what this man is done to her life.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Anna joining us from British Columbia, and she is the
one who arranged the connection between Holly, who you also
heard on this program, and Victor Marx, who's running for governor.
I share your view that Victor's heart is in the
right place, but I wonder about his head. And when
I say that, Anna, I want to play this sound,
and if you can stick around, I want to keep you,
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maybe for the entire hour, but I think it's important
to examine this part of it. And this was the
sound that I played going into my conversation with Holly.
It's one of three parts from October twenty sixteen in
which Victor and Eileen Marx announced that they are going
to Iraq. But this is kind of the context of that.
This is part one trick and I lean.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Marks here with all things possible ministries and uh, we've
been telling everyone that we have a big announcement today
and this is it. Recently, many of you know, I
had brain scans done because of some physical.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Challenges that I've been having, and.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Simply put after two days of testing. These specialists came
back and let me know that I'm a scouted one
to four. I was a three plus four being severe brain.
That is it trauma and trauma?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Okay, so damage. Yeah, So I've been trying to tell
them that for years. Well the truth, Well, I've been
trying to tell you I have the brain. Yes, we
know that. Now we do. It's official, and so you
know whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Now that was October twenty sixteen. On a really quick question,
what year or what period of time was Holly in
Victor's care here in Colorado?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I think it was mid twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Okay, so seven years after this, My point being this,
he reveals that he has he calls it three plus
brain trauma on a scale of one to four. In
a previous incident that he left out a particular detail,
he had been pulled over by law enforcement in a
vehicle that wasn't his, that was registered to another man,
who he said in the video tried to kill him.
(16:39):
What he didn't reveal in that video and conveniently left
out for a reason I'm trying to determine, was that
that man was his brother in law and they had
a standoff in Elpaso County, and rather than wait for
law enforcement to handle that situation, Victor Marx declares himself
Rambo and tries to handle it himself. This seems to
be a pattern in that somebody like Holly, who I've
(17:02):
now spoken with Anna, and she has problems that I
couldn't handle. I have talked to a lot of victims,
including yourself, including the Larry Naster victims and that big
scandal at Michigan State University and for tem Usa Gymnastics,
and I know that I'm not equipped to handle the
psychiatric damage that's been done to them. What makes Victor
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Marx think he can just take this young woman into
his care and handle all of that himself.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Well, I didn't know that Victor was handling it all himself.
I mean, I from my understanding, he told me that
he was taking her to a safe house. And I've
seen all online and he's been on you know, all
these TV shows that he's got safe houses in Iraq
and all this stuff. So and I saw online what
he did with with Nora. So I would assume, with
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someone with that big of a ministry, that I was
handling the scroll over to somebody, you know, putting her
in the best hounds possible that I knew, how, right,
So I just you know, And Okay, I've got a
brain injury as well. I was in a car crash recently,
and I know that having the brain the brain injury concussion,
(18:13):
my tolerance level is a lot less than what it
used to be, you know. And it's like my patience, right,
so it is it has affected my relationships with close
ones and friends because your fuse is a lot shorter
from a brain injury. This is the first I've actually
heard that Victor had a brain injury. Okay, So, like
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I know myself, with my brain injury, I'm not I'm
not equipped to work with these girls anymore. Right. I saw,
I saw, I saw a situation she wanted help. I
got her out of it with the police, and I
handed her to the best person possible that I thought
could get her the helps that she needs.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And I'm going to pause you right there because we
need to go to a hard break. But when we
come back, ACT will have much more with Anna about
her relationship with Victor Marx working with him through his ministry.
As you heard from Anna, she's an ordained minister herself,
she is a survivor of trafficking and abuse herself. It
was in that earnest endeavor that she was trying to
help Holly by connecting her with Victor Marx much more
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with Anna. When we come back, you're listening to six
thirty k how.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Gosh, thirty years of martial arts.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Plus some childhood stuff and than Madam Marines and all that.
So they're pretty emphatic that, and they know the ministry
and what we've done, and they you know, they felt
bad telling me, but they said, I have the lore stress.
(19:49):
It's a muss. I cannot get hit in the head
anymore in any form of fashion, and I can't be
around explosions.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So reason all of all this.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And being in prayer, especially Eileen, we're actually going to
after fourteen years of full time ministry with all things possible,
we're going to move and we're moving to Iraq.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, hell said it? What yeah are we doing?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I don't know. October twenty sixteen is where that is
video is from. It's still posted publicly. I have a
lot of questions. Victor Marx's scheduled to join us on Tuesday,
so stay tuned for that. I'll be during the eight
o'clock hour, and he is following up on the portion
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of the video where he revealed that he had three
plus brain trauma on a scale of one to four,
and the doctors told him he had the lower stress.
So he's moving to Iraq, Okay and the whole martial
arts party says thirty years of that, Victor Marx has
not been shy about posting videos and photos everywhere hitherin
Yon promoting his ministry. Has anybody out there seen a
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post of any martial arts activity, video photos evidence of
him doing that? And if not, why not, why would
that not be out there in the public sphere. I
haven't been able to find it. I'm looking for it.
Anna joins me. She had a working relationship with Victor
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Marx based on her own experiences in British Columbia, Canada,
a survivor of human trafficking, herself, a minister herself, and
she joined us once again here on six thirty k.
How Anna, welcome back, appreciate your time. I want to
address some elements here that were brought up in my
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conversation with Holly that were insinuated, suggested, or flat out
accused of you that is did anyone pay for access
to Holly? In other words, did Victor come to Canada
pay you for access to Holly take her out of
the country? Was there any money exchanged? What happened there?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Well, you know, my husband and I are not very
to do well financially, right, and when Victor came and
got Holly after my husband and I were driving home. So,
first of all, no, the answer is no, Victor did
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not pay us for Holly. I'm not in the business
of selling humans. And in the breast, you know, if
God puts someone in my house in my path to
save I will I will intercede for that person. But
my husband had made it sure that you know, Victor
shook his hand like a man and said thank you,
and that there was some money in the hand. I
(22:57):
think it was nine hundred or a thousand dollars or something.
And my husband said, what is this for? And Victor said, well,
you guys drive a truck that's expensive on gas. You
drove two hours to bring her, you got to drive back.
You've spent a couple of days of your time and stuff.
So we would like to bless you with this. And
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so my husband said, no, no, no, we do this
because the Lord wants us to, not because we want
you to pay us. And Victor said, no, no, no,
this is just as our way of blessing you. So
my husband said, I'll pay it forward, and then we
took the money and we blessed another woman that was struggling.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Okay, following up on that, a lot of people in
our audience have a question, and this, you know, hindsight.
Being twenty twenty, you were going with the fact you
knew at the time you thought Victor was the best option.
But just give us an idea why you turned to
Victor Marx in the United States rather than informing local
Canadian authorities about Holly her situation, her plight. Why was
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the available solution not in Canada.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I live in a small town of about five thousand people,
and I don't really know anybody like like well, I
can't say I don't know anybody personally. There's probably homes
that I could have had here. But Victor was the
first one that I phoned to pray over her, and
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I was aware that he does like international rescues, and
I thought that because of this, you know, his to me,
it was a worldwide ministry that was very experienced in
dealing with the most severe cases of trauma. I thought
it would be best to contact him and get his advice.
But when I contacted him, I wasn't even thinking he
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was going to come rescue her, right, It just happened
that way.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
One element that's really stuck in my craw that I
can't get out of my mind, Anna, was a video
you shared with me. And again, this is publicly available. Unfortunately,
in my mind it was posted to social media. I
want to describe it in full. This is what Holly
had a really big problem with, and I believe she's
right about this as a victim herself of sexual abuse.
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There is a photo of her, she's age eighteen, so
that's aside in a hot tub, and it appears that
Victor is baptizing her. This video was then posted for
public consumption, much to the chagrin of Holly, and you
had a problem with that too. Can you take us
through your conversation with Victor in light of that video
(25:42):
being posted? And the question I would have is why
would anyone post a video of a sexual abuse survivor
for public consumption? Why?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I can't speak to why Victor has done that, But
I know that I used to be a TV talk
show host with a Christian TV show, and I had
many survivors on my show, and it was always a
rule to never have them on the show and show
their faces until about two or five years after they've
been out of it and they've sought healing for their
trauma and stuff. Because it's my firm belief that when
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people are still in trauma and healing mode, that they're
not really capable of making sound decisions, and if they
get put on the internet sharing their story, that it
can haunt them for the rest of their life. So
I want to make sure that there's a big gap
of time that has passed for that. So I can't
remember exactly how long it was, but it wasn't too
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long after Holly was there, and then I saw Victor
a video that he baptized her in the hot tub.
It's not uncommon that Christians will find bathtubs, lakes, rivers,
whatever to do with baptism.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But what.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Transpired was her face wasn't blurred out right, and so
I contacted Victor and I said that I didn't really
agree with that, and and that he could have blocked
her face out at least, And you know, I just
I just think he didn't like me telling him that, right,
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And I didn't agree with that, And you know, there
was a couple of conversations that I wasn't agreeing with things,
and to my to my disappointed meant, you know, and
I also understand because he's got a brain injury, but
he was he was a He was a hot head
with me, right, And I have grace for that because
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you know, he's been through a lot of trauma. He's
got brain injuries and stuff. So maybe this situation with
Holly was he was over his head and he was
having difficulty dealing with it. I don't know, right, So
I gave him grace in that aspect. But Victor and
I kind of had a little bit of a follow
after this. One thing that really disappointed me or hurt
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me is like I had a service dog that was trained.
You know, when I wake up in the night and
I have PTSD nightmares or whatever, my dog will profusely
look me on the face and paw me and press
on my chest and stuff to wake me out of
the nightmares. And this is not uncommon with people at
PTSD or someone to be been through with me, or
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Holly's been through to have this right. So I do
have the Lord in my life and he's healed me
a lot, but I still do have the odd PTSD episodes.
So what happened was my service dog passed away, and
then I was dealing with all this with Holly and
I was explaining to Victor, like, this is really triggering
my PTSD all over again, you know, like this is
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why I'm not equipped to handle her and why I
hung up my hat in ministry because I had a
lot more healing to do. And Victor said, you know what,
don't worry about it. I'm going to get you a
service dog from Bad and Canine. And I know, like
I've looked at those dogs a long time. I was
wanting one. That they're about thirty thousand dollars, and I was,
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you know, how am I going to afford that? Right?
So when my dog died, I was really really having
a difficult time because I couldn't sleep. My service dog
always slept with me. So when Victor told me he
was going to get me the service dog, I was
just so utterly grateful and emotional with so much gratitude.
And then when this happened with Holly, and I didn't
agree with the way she was dealing with stuff. And
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you know, Victor didn't want to hear you know, hear
it because he had his own version of how it
should be handled. We ended up not talking anymore and
him blocking me and stuff like that. And then I
contacted Eileen and I said, you know, I'm having a
tough time. Could I please still get the service dog?
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And I was ignored and then but she was reading
my messages. I could see that. So then I contacted
her a while later and I said, well, I can
do the fundraising somehow, but can you guys at least
just contact batting Canine so I can buy one and
just put a good word in for me and tell
them that you know me and all I've been through.
And I was ignored. And there was a video that
(30:15):
somebody posted online last week because I've been watching what's
going and Victor said that he was a man of
his word. Maybe for the most part he is. I
don't know, but I can say from my own experience
he didn't keep that word to me right. So I
told Eileen that I was deeply, deeply hurt by this
and I was ignored. And then somebody heard my story
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and the Lord blessed me with the most amazing executive
elite canine personal Protection Dog slash service dog that was
the twenty twenty two world champion. So I was still
blessed to get it, get it, get a new dog,
you know, I was really happy about that. But there
were also times that I spoke with Victor on and
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I said, you know, the way that you were screaming
at me and yelling at me on the phone, Victor, like,
you've triggered my PTSD. You know, you can't deal with
people like that that are in trauma. Because someone even
in my case or Holly's case, when a man is
screaming and yelling at them, a lot of times their
body and their their their their body, like what's going
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on in their body, The PTSD in their body will
signal something in their body and their brain. The physical
violence comes next. So when Victor was very abrupt with
me and raising his voice at me, it triggered my
PTSD to like even though it was on the phone
that from from past history, that a beating came next, raight,
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So I said, you can't. I sent them a message.
I said, you can't, you can't do that. You can't
do that when you're dealing with with victims. He did
not apologize, he did not humble himself. It was just
I was ignored and blocked. So the impression that I
got from him online was so disappointing. And now, Victor,
(32:10):
if you're listening to this, I'm not saying this to
hurt you. I know that you've been through a lot.
There's nobody way that anybody could behave this way if
they haven't been through trauma. But if you're gonna run
for governor, Victor, I just encourage you to humble yourself
before the Lord in all aspects, and God will make
(32:36):
a way when there is no way. But you know, well,
we all have our own path. We were not perfect.
We all have to grow. Some people are further ahead
than others. I have no negativity towards him, or hatred
or anything. I'm just speaking the truth. And you know,
(32:59):
to Victor's defense, even though I was hurt, I felt
I had to come on the show because I didn't
agree with the way to Holly's spun it, and I
think it was the pedophile spinning it through her. So
I just wanted to set it straight to Victor's defense
and also to come to Holly's defense. And Holly, if
(33:20):
you're listening, I want you to know that Jesus lush
you so much. He loves you so much, and if
you got one ounce of Jesus, if you are ever
in trouble, or you're ever feeling not safe, to just
cry out to him, because he will make a way
when there is no way. And then I hold no
(33:41):
animosity to animosity towards you, Holly, and I love you,
and I hope that you're doing fine and that you're happy.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Anna joining us from British Columbia. She was the conduit
between Holly, who she just spoke of, and Victor Marx
trying to get Holly to health that she definitely needed
and highly appeared on this program as well on a
responding to what you heard in that conversation. Anna takes
a lot of courage to come on a show like
(34:11):
this and talk about this. I know how near and
dear all of these issues are to your heart. Thank
you so much for your time today. We'll keep in touch.
Let's talk again soon. Thank you your thoughts and reaction
five seven seven thirty nine back up to wrap up
this hour after this.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Okay, So here's the deal.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
To the positions chagrin, we're doing harder. We're not backing
up because the reality, you know, if I'm gonna if
if I'm gonna digress in my you know, ability to
communicate through grammar and spelling, hu, that's.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Obviously a part of my brain that's been traumatized.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
So now you know why, plus being growing up like
cajon and swamp somebodies.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Now, so here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
We were having to contemplate all this, and you know,
we did take the doctor's advice as far as you know,
some things and medication I would help a part of
my brain calm down because of the lack of sleep.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
And then I was having fiscal verbal text pretty strong.
But here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
I Leen went and got away with the Lord and
spent some time on in a prayer, but a notebook
was download and everything, and she came back to me
and she said, honey, and I.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Was in trouble.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Was like, uh, she goes, did the Lord ever tell
you we're supposed to move that Iraq?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
And I was like, yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know one text or asked, can you even move
to Iraq? I mean that's a hostile nation in a
lot of ways with an American passport. I don't know.
I'm just asking a question. A lot, that's right. October
twenty sixteen, Victor Marks a video that he posted defying
doctor's orders, deciding he's going to move to a rock
despite having three plus brain trauma on a scale of
one to four, despite doctors telling him that he had
(36:10):
the lower stress. The one thing that my mom told
me about my Christian upbringing is Jesus didn't save the world.
You're not going to either, and you can't certainly do
it alone, and you can't do it outside of the law,
and you can't do it by going around the law.
But Victor seems to have these delusions of grandeur about
saving the world himself and all things are possible, but
(36:31):
not just through him.
Thank you, Victor.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I greatly appreciate your help and you praying over me,
And I definitely feel like there's like a weight lifted
off my shoulders because I'm not in that situation of
abuse and mental abuse and physical abuse no more.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
They can't hurt me, he can't.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Now, I'm just looking forward to the healing journey for
a good life.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That was Holly, who I had a conversation with, a
heartbreaking one at that and her plight certainly invites much
empathy from anybody that hears her story. The story she
told me, though, as many of you listeners have responded
to me, was difficult to follow. Victor Marx took Hollie
(00:58):
into his care under the assumption that she had been
sexually abused in mentally abused by her stepfather Less who
originally had been shacking up with Holly's mom, and as
you heard Holly in her conversation with me, she went
(01:20):
to his defense. She denied any of the abuse was happening.
She claims that she was manipulated by our next guest
and by Victor Marx himself. So trying to land on
the truth and the square that brings this all together,
My next guest here joining us on six point thirty
k how Anna, and I appreciate you reaching out in
(01:43):
light of what you heard from Holly in my previous
conversation with her, and I guess I want to start
with what we just heard. This was a video? Is
this a video that you shot for her and sent
to Victor?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
It was actually a video that she asked to be
taken and sent to Victor. Hollie and I came into contact.
I also wanted to clarify as well that I was
never Holly's neighbor. I've lived in your fame residence that
it is about five miles away, and I've lived here
for the last five years, so I'm not certain why
(02:17):
she's saying I'm her neighbor. However, I did have a
temporary airbnb there that needed cleaning once in a while,
which is how I became friends with Holly. And Holly
Holly was outside smoking all the time, so we became
friends because it's a four plex, right, and so I
(02:41):
got to know her, and then it came out, like
I did, the age gap because she was so young.
She looks seventeen eighteen and this guy looked like almost
sixty years old, and she was saying that it was
a boyfriend. And then the more that her and I
got together to know each other, she confided in me
that he used to date her mother and he was
(03:03):
her stepfather, and that she had actually is his partner now.
So there was times I was like going to clean
the airbnb and she would be very distraught and crying,
and I was loving to her. I've offered her, you know,
(03:26):
to teach her esthetician courses and stuff to try to,
you know, just help her and love on her, you know.
And this guy, Leslie Ward, was very kind of concerned
about me being around this girl because I suspect that
he knew I was onto him. And lo and behold,
(03:47):
Holly confided in me. And I've got multiple recordings of this.
I mean, she's been in my home. I've got a
business in my home, so I've got cameras everywhere that
she's aware of. And I've got like proof that Holly
has been stating that this guy was like knocked her
up when she was fourteen and forced her to get
(04:08):
an abortion because he didn't want to go to prison
for getting getting her pregnant, and that she's been abused
by him, I've got I've got recordings that she's saying
that she's scared to tell the police that he's been
defiling her since she was fourteen because he will kill her.
(04:31):
I've got so many recordings of this. So I noticed
yesterday on your show that you asked Holly if she
was still with Lesson. She froze up and she said,
I can't answer that, and I can. Mike got instinctive
because he's sitting right behind beside her coaching her. Now,
when you played this audio for me this morning morning
(04:54):
before I got on the show, sadness of what this
poor girl has gone through, and I firmly believe she's
got severe Stockholm syndrome. So when I what had happened
was Hally and I both had the police do a
(05:20):
police escort to get her belongings out of her home
while Leslie Ward was at work because she was afraid
she couldn't leave him when he was there because he
attacks her and beats her up and all this stuff.
So I got police escort and she told the police
that she wanted to go. When when she came to
(05:43):
my home, I didn't I didn't know where to put
her or where to take her. And then I thought
about Victor Marx because I've known of this ministry for decades.
I followed the story that he's rescued that girl, Norah
and she got her hands chopped off and was brutally raped,
and he led her to help and you know, finding
Jesus and all this stuff. And I've always, you know,
(06:05):
looked up to him through his ministries being so powerful.
And I did have this number because he actually knows
my ex husband from you know, two thousand and two, right,
And I'm also a minister. I've been in ministry for years.
I've had my own TV show and stuff like that,
so people in ministry kind of know of each other.
(06:26):
And I knew a Victor and I contacted him and
I said, I've got this girl. I've explained the situation.
I said, I don't know what to do. I don't
have a safe house for her or anything. I don't
know what to do. I said, can you pray with
her on the phone. And immediately Victor dropped everything and
he prayed with her on the phone, and she said
(06:47):
that she wanted to go to Colorado. And from what
my version is, as Victor had you know podcast, booked
and you know, speaking engagements booked and everything, and he
jumped on the plane immediately and he came and he
got her from me the next day.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Anna our guest, and she is the one that connected
as you just heard her describe Holly, who we spoke
with with Victor Marx now running for governor here in Colorado.
Not to be clear, Anna Holly were residing in British Columbia, Canada.
And Anna, I want to also kind of fill in
the color on why you would be maybe more hypersensitive
(07:27):
to something that Holly is going through, because there is
something that you have been through in your personal life
that would make you keenly aware of when abuse is
going on. If you tell the people as much as
you want about your background and why you could relate
to Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I was a survivor of human trafficking from about nineteen
ninety seven to nineteen ninety nine, roughly. I gave my
life to Jesus Christ in nineteen ninety nine. I became
an ordained master reverend in Chaplain in two thousand and fifteen.
I've had a powerful ministry in the early two thousands
(08:04):
that was rescuing women out of Cayman trafficking and domestic violence,
which I was also in a domestic violence relationship many
years ago in the nineties. So I've done a lot
of work and I've got a lot of experience in
dealing with women that have, you know, difficulty leaving their
abusers and stuff. I was one of them, you know,
(08:25):
back in ninety five. I was in like seventeen battered
women's shelters because I had Stockholm syndrome. I know the signs.
I've done the work, I've done the education, the pastoral
crisis counseling. I'm also a licensed pastoral crisis counselor, so
I knew what to look for. And Holly is very innocent,
and in my opinion, she was grinned by this man.
(08:46):
And not only that, but I'll say allegedly for legal purposes.
But I firmly believe that and have my reasons, firm
reasons that this leslie Ward also did prison time for
malas seeing two other kids under ten. I believe they
were former stepdaughters. So there's there's a pad. He's allegedly
(09:08):
a convicted pedophile, and I think that he prays on
single moms that have kids that he can pray on
those kids, right. So I've spoken to Holly's mom. Holly's
mom has confirmed all of this with me and reiterated
with everything with me. I'm certain that Victor Marx had
his teams that did all their research to ensure that
(09:30):
she was definitely abused before he came, and he got
her right. So I handed her over to Victor and
Eileen to go there and then go to a safe house. Now,
you know, I firmly believe that Victor Mark's heart was
in the right place. I really really do. But then
(09:53):
you know, Victor was contacting me, and I think he
was having a little bit of frustration because you know,
Hollywoo in contact with Less, and Holly was telling two
sides of the story. She would tell us and Victor,
I don't want to go home. He's abusing me. I'm
never going back. I've got videos of her saying that
all that, and then she would you know, be in
(10:14):
contact with Less and then be like, oh, no, you know,
they kidnapped me. And she was playing both sides. And
I understand this because this is what abusers do. Because
she was scared to tell him the truth of what
she was telling us in case she went back and
she got more beatings. So anybody that's listening to this
would understand this. So Holly's not a villain, Holly's not
(10:34):
an intentional liyar. Holly's a victim and she's afraid, right.
But what happened was, you know, I was in contact
with Victor, and I had tried to tell Victor, like,
you got to be really delicate the way that you're
handling her, because she's got a lot of trauma and stuff,
and if you handle it certain a way, she's going
(10:56):
to run back into his arms, right. And Like, I've
always looked up to Victor from what I see on
social media and everything and him having an amazing ministry
and all that, and I believe there's so much good
in Victor. And I do believe that Victor was abused
as a child, because how could anybody have that much
(11:17):
you know, drama and PTSD and stuff like that. If
you haven't, there's got to be some degree of it, right.
But when I tried to explain to Victor, like, I've
got a lot of experience working with these girls, Victor,
and you got to handle it this way or she's
going to leave I saw inside of him. That was
(11:40):
something that I didn't see on the social media. It
was almost like his pride or his ego reared at
its ugly head and you know, you don't tell me
how to handle this. I've been doing this for a
long time type of thing. And there was a bit
of you know, excitement in that that triggered my own teaces.
(12:01):
And I was really having a hard time with this
because I was afraid she was going to go back
to the sky and that Victor was handling it the
wrong way. Now, Victor did tell me that he was
trying to get her in to see a special psychiatrist
that he was seeing. He was making efforts for that,
that he was trying to get her in for a
(12:23):
brain scan or something, but she wouldn't get out of
bed and leave and go do it. Like I do
believe there was things like that. I do. I did
find out eventually that she was in a psychiatric ward
for three months at one point, so she might have
been out of that for a couple months before I
came into contact with her, and so I believe Victor
(12:44):
did get her in or try to get her help
in a psychiatric ward and stuff that. I think Victor,
you know, his heart may have been in the right place,
but I don't think he was equipped to handle the
type of abuse this peer girl went through. And I'm
listening to this interview yesterday and from somebody was as
(13:10):
much experience as I have with who's also had an
abuser do the same thing to me when I was
twenty three. I think she was doing this radio show
because she was scared, you know, and she wanted to
think him, but not because she wanted to sink him.
Because this pedophile was so angry that Victor exposed him
(13:35):
and it went all over the internet and he got
run out of town and lost his job for being
a pedophile. This Leslie Ward has a vendetta toward Victor
and he wants to take him down. And he's brainwashing
and manipulating this young girl of Stockholm Central, and when
he got her back, he impregnated her and they had
(13:57):
a child together. Now I don't know if the child
I'm still with them or what. Because he's a pedophile,
how can it legally happen? I don't know how that
works or whatever. But my heart goes out to this girl,
and I am continuing to cover her in prayer and
hoping that one day she will get strong enough and
see what this man is done to her life.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Anna joining us from British Columbia, and she is the
one who arranged the connection between Holly, who you also
heard on this program, and Victor Marx, who's running for governor.
I share your view that Victor's heart is in the
right place, but I wonder about his head. And when
I say that, Anna, I want to play this sound,
and if you can stick around, I want to keep you,
(14:41):
maybe for the entire hour, but I think it's important
to examine this part of it. And this was the
sound that I played going into my conversation with Holly.
It's one of three parts from October twenty sixteen in
which Victor and Eileen Marx announced that they are going
to Iraq. But this is kind of the context of that.
This is part one trick and I lean.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Marks here with all things possible ministries and uh, we've
been telling everyone that we have a big announcement today
and this is it. Recently, many of you know, I
had brain scans done because of some physical.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Challenges that I've been having, and.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Simply put after two days of testing. These specialists came
back and let me know that I'm a scouted one
to four. I was a three plus four being severe brain.
That is it trauma and trauma?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Okay, so damage. Yeah, So I've been trying to tell
them that for years. Well the truth, Well, I've been
trying to tell you I have the brain. Yes, we
know that. Now we do. It's official, and so you
know whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Now that was October twenty sixteen. On a really quick question,
what year or what period of time was Holly in
Victor's care here in Colorado?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I think it was mid twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Okay, so seven years after this, My point being this,
he reveals that he has he calls it three plus
brain trauma on a scale of one to four. In
a previous incident that he left out a particular detail,
he had been pulled over by law enforcement in a
vehicle that wasn't his, that was registered to another man,
who he said in the video tried to kill him.
(16:39):
What he didn't reveal in that video and conveniently left
out for a reason I'm trying to determine, was that
that man was his brother in law and they had
a standoff in Elpaso County, and rather than wait for
law enforcement to handle that situation, Victor Marx declares himself
Rambo and tries to handle it himself. This seems to
be a pattern in that somebody like Holly, who I've
(17:02):
now spoken with Anna, and she has problems that I
couldn't handle. I have talked to a lot of victims,
including yourself, including the Larry Naster victims and that big
scandal at Michigan State University and for tem Usa Gymnastics,
and I know that I'm not equipped to handle the
psychiatric damage that's been done to them. What makes Victor
(17:23):
Marx think he can just take this young woman into
his care and handle all of that himself.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Well, I didn't know that Victor was handling it all himself.
I mean, I from my understanding, he told me that
he was taking her to a safe house. And I've
seen all online and he's been on you know, all
these TV shows that he's got safe houses in Iraq
and all this stuff. So and I saw online what
he did with with Nora. So I would assume, with
(17:50):
someone with that big of a ministry, that I was
handling the scroll over to somebody, you know, putting her
in the best hounds possible that I knew, how, right,
So I just you know, And Okay, I've got a
brain injury as well. I was in a car crash recently,
and I know that having the brain the brain injury concussion,
(18:13):
my tolerance level is a lot less than what it
used to be, you know. And it's like my patience, right,
so it is it has affected my relationships with close
ones and friends because your fuse is a lot shorter
from a brain injury. This is the first I've actually
heard that Victor had a brain injury. Okay, So, like
(18:38):
I know myself, with my brain injury, I'm not I'm
not equipped to work with these girls anymore. Right. I saw,
I saw, I saw a situation she wanted help. I
got her out of it with the police, and I
handed her to the best person possible that I thought
could get her the helps that she needs.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And I'm going to pause you right there because we
need to go to a hard break. But when we
come back, ACT will have much more with Anna about
her relationship with Victor Marx working with him through his ministry.
As you heard from Anna, she's an ordained minister herself,
she is a survivor of trafficking and abuse herself. It
was in that earnest endeavor that she was trying to
help Holly by connecting her with Victor Marx much more
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with Anna. When we come back, you're listening to six
thirty k how.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Gosh, thirty years of martial arts.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Plus some childhood stuff and than Madam Marines and all that.
So they're pretty emphatic that, and they know the ministry
and what we've done, and they you know, they felt
bad telling me, but they said, I have the lore stress.
(19:49):
It's a muss. I cannot get hit in the head
anymore in any form of fashion, and I can't be
around explosions.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So reason all of all this.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And being in prayer, especially Eileen, we're actually going to
after fourteen years of full time ministry with all things possible,
we're going to move and we're moving to Iraq.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, hell said it? What yeah are we doing?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I don't know. October twenty sixteen is where that is
video is from. It's still posted publicly. I have a
lot of questions. Victor Marx's scheduled to join us on Tuesday,
so stay tuned for that. I'll be during the eight
o'clock hour, and he is following up on the portion
(20:48):
of the video where he revealed that he had three
plus brain trauma on a scale of one to four,
and the doctors told him he had the lower stress.
So he's moving to Iraq, Okay and the whole martial
arts party says thirty years of that, Victor Marx has
not been shy about posting videos and photos everywhere hitherin
Yon promoting his ministry. Has anybody out there seen a
(21:14):
post of any martial arts activity, video photos evidence of
him doing that? And if not, why not, why would
that not be out there in the public sphere. I
haven't been able to find it. I'm looking for it.
Anna joins me. She had a working relationship with Victor
(21:34):
Marx based on her own experiences in British Columbia, Canada,
a survivor of human trafficking, herself, a minister herself, and
she joined us once again here on six thirty k.
How Anna, welcome back, appreciate your time. I want to
address some elements here that were brought up in my
(21:54):
conversation with Holly that were insinuated, suggested, or flat out
accused of you that is did anyone pay for access
to Holly? In other words, did Victor come to Canada
pay you for access to Holly take her out of
the country? Was there any money exchanged? What happened there?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Well, you know, my husband and I are not very
to do well financially, right, and when Victor came and
got Holly after my husband and I were driving home. So,
first of all, no, the answer is no, Victor did
(22:36):
not pay us for Holly. I'm not in the business
of selling humans. And in the breast, you know, if
God puts someone in my house in my path to
save I will I will intercede for that person. But
my husband had made it sure that you know, Victor
shook his hand like a man and said thank you,
and that there was some money in the hand. I
(22:57):
think it was nine hundred or a thousand dollars or something.
And my husband said, what is this for? And Victor said, well,
you guys drive a truck that's expensive on gas. You
drove two hours to bring her, you got to drive back.
You've spent a couple of days of your time and stuff.
So we would like to bless you with this. And
(23:18):
so my husband said, no, no, no, we do this
because the Lord wants us to, not because we want
you to pay us. And Victor said, no, no, no,
this is just as our way of blessing you. So
my husband said, I'll pay it forward, and then we
took the money and we blessed another woman that was struggling.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Okay, following up on that, a lot of people in
our audience have a question, and this, you know, hindsight.
Being twenty twenty, you were going with the fact you
knew at the time you thought Victor was the best option.
But just give us an idea why you turned to
Victor Marx in the United States rather than informing local
Canadian authorities about Holly her situation, her plight. Why was
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the available solution not in Canada.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I live in a small town of about five thousand people,
and I don't really know anybody like like well, I
can't say I don't know anybody personally. There's probably homes
that I could have had here. But Victor was the
first one that I phoned to pray over her, and
(24:31):
I was aware that he does like international rescues, and
I thought that because of this, you know, his to me,
it was a worldwide ministry that was very experienced in
dealing with the most severe cases of trauma. I thought
it would be best to contact him and get his advice.
But when I contacted him, I wasn't even thinking he
(24:54):
was going to come rescue her, right, It just happened
that way.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
One element that's really stuck in my craw that I
can't get out of my mind, Anna, was a video
you shared with me. And again, this is publicly available. Unfortunately,
in my mind it was posted to social media. I
want to describe it in full. This is what Holly
had a really big problem with, and I believe she's
right about this as a victim herself of sexual abuse.
(25:20):
There is a photo of her, she's age eighteen, so
that's aside in a hot tub, and it appears that
Victor is baptizing her. This video was then posted for
public consumption, much to the chagrin of Holly, and you
had a problem with that too. Can you take us
through your conversation with Victor in light of that video
(25:42):
being posted? And the question I would have is why
would anyone post a video of a sexual abuse survivor
for public consumption? Why?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I can't speak to why Victor has done that, But
I know that I used to be a TV talk
show host with a Christian TV show, and I had
many survivors on my show, and it was always a
rule to never have them on the show and show
their faces until about two or five years after they've
been out of it and they've sought healing for their
trauma and stuff. Because it's my firm belief that when
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people are still in trauma and healing mode, that they're
not really capable of making sound decisions, and if they
get put on the internet sharing their story, that it
can haunt them for the rest of their life. So
I want to make sure that there's a big gap
of time that has passed for that. So I can't
remember exactly how long it was, but it wasn't too
(26:39):
long after Holly was there, and then I saw Victor
a video that he baptized her in the hot tub.
It's not uncommon that Christians will find bathtubs, lakes, rivers,
whatever to do with baptism.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But what.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Transpired was her face wasn't blurred out right, and so
I contacted Victor and I said that I didn't really
agree with that, and and that he could have blocked
her face out at least, And you know, I just
I just think he didn't like me telling him that, right,
(27:15):
And I didn't agree with that, And you know, there
was a couple of conversations that I wasn't agreeing with things,
and to my to my disappointed meant, you know, and
I also understand because he's got a brain injury, but
he was he was a He was a hot head
with me, right, And I have grace for that because
(27:37):
you know, he's been through a lot of trauma. He's
got brain injuries and stuff. So maybe this situation with
Holly was he was over his head and he was
having difficulty dealing with it. I don't know, right, So
I gave him grace in that aspect. But Victor and
I kind of had a little bit of a follow
after this. One thing that really disappointed me or hurt
(28:03):
me is like I had a service dog that was trained.
You know, when I wake up in the night and
I have PTSD nightmares or whatever, my dog will profusely
look me on the face and paw me and press
on my chest and stuff to wake me out of
the nightmares. And this is not uncommon with people at
PTSD or someone to be been through with me, or
(28:23):
Holly's been through to have this right. So I do
have the Lord in my life and he's healed me
a lot, but I still do have the odd PTSD episodes.
So what happened was my service dog passed away, and
then I was dealing with all this with Holly and
I was explaining to Victor, like, this is really triggering
my PTSD all over again, you know, like this is
(28:45):
why I'm not equipped to handle her and why I
hung up my hat in ministry because I had a
lot more healing to do. And Victor said, you know what,
don't worry about it. I'm going to get you a
service dog from Bad and Canine. And I know, like
I've looked at those dogs a long time. I was
wanting one. That they're about thirty thousand dollars, and I was,
(29:08):
you know, how am I going to afford that? Right?
So when my dog died, I was really really having
a difficult time because I couldn't sleep. My service dog
always slept with me. So when Victor told me he
was going to get me the service dog, I was
just so utterly grateful and emotional with so much gratitude.
And then when this happened with Holly, and I didn't
agree with the way she was dealing with stuff. And
(29:32):
you know, Victor didn't want to hear you know, hear
it because he had his own version of how it
should be handled. We ended up not talking anymore and
him blocking me and stuff like that. And then I
contacted Eileen and I said, you know, I'm having a
tough time. Could I please still get the service dog?
(29:52):
And I was ignored and then but she was reading
my messages. I could see that. So then I contacted
her a while later and I said, well, I can
do the fundraising somehow, but can you guys at least
just contact batting Canine so I can buy one and
just put a good word in for me and tell
them that you know me and all I've been through.
And I was ignored. And there was a video that
(30:15):
somebody posted online last week because I've been watching what's
going and Victor said that he was a man of
his word. Maybe for the most part he is. I
don't know, but I can say from my own experience
he didn't keep that word to me right. So I
told Eileen that I was deeply, deeply hurt by this
and I was ignored. And then somebody heard my story
(30:38):
and the Lord blessed me with the most amazing executive
elite canine personal Protection Dog slash service dog that was
the twenty twenty two world champion. So I was still
blessed to get it, get it, get a new dog,
you know, I was really happy about that. But there
were also times that I spoke with Victor on and
(31:00):
I said, you know, the way that you were screaming
at me and yelling at me on the phone, Victor, like,
you've triggered my PTSD. You know, you can't deal with
people like that that are in trauma. Because someone even
in my case or Holly's case, when a man is
screaming and yelling at them, a lot of times their
body and their their their their body, like what's going
(31:22):
on in their body, The PTSD in their body will
signal something in their body and their brain. The physical
violence comes next. So when Victor was very abrupt with
me and raising his voice at me, it triggered my
PTSD to like even though it was on the phone
that from from past history, that a beating came next, raight,
(31:44):
So I said, you can't. I sent them a message.
I said, you can't, you can't do that. You can't
do that when you're dealing with with victims. He did
not apologize, he did not humble himself. It was just
I was ignored and blocked. So the impression that I
got from him online was so disappointing. And now, Victor,
(32:10):
if you're listening to this, I'm not saying this to
hurt you. I know that you've been through a lot.
There's nobody way that anybody could behave this way if
they haven't been through trauma. But if you're gonna run
for governor, Victor, I just encourage you to humble yourself
before the Lord in all aspects, and God will make
(32:36):
a way when there is no way. But you know, well,
we all have our own path. We were not perfect.
We all have to grow. Some people are further ahead
than others. I have no negativity towards him, or hatred
or anything. I'm just speaking the truth. And you know,
(32:59):
to Victor's defense, even though I was hurt, I felt
I had to come on the show because I didn't
agree with the way to Holly's spun it, and I
think it was the pedophile spinning it through her. So
I just wanted to set it straight to Victor's defense
and also to come to Holly's defense. And Holly, if
(33:20):
you're listening, I want you to know that Jesus lush
you so much. He loves you so much, and if
you got one ounce of Jesus, if you are ever
in trouble, or you're ever feeling not safe, to just
cry out to him, because he will make a way
when there is no way. And then I hold no
(33:41):
animosity to animosity towards you, Holly, and I love you,
and I hope that you're doing fine and that you're happy.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Anna joining us from British Columbia. She was the conduit
between Holly, who she just spoke of, and Victor Marx
trying to get Holly to health that she definitely needed
and highly appeared on this program as well on a
responding to what you heard in that conversation. Anna takes
a lot of courage to come on a show like
(34:11):
this and talk about this. I know how near and
dear all of these issues are to your heart. Thank
you so much for your time today. We'll keep in touch.
Let's talk again soon. Thank you your thoughts and reaction
five seven seven thirty nine back up to wrap up
this hour after this.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Okay, So here's the deal.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
To the positions chagrin, we're doing harder. We're not backing
up because the reality, you know, if I'm gonna if
if I'm gonna digress in my you know, ability to
communicate through grammar and spelling, hu, that's.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Obviously a part of my brain that's been traumatized.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
So now you know why, plus being growing up like
cajon and swamp somebodies.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Now, so here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
We were having to contemplate all this, and you know,
we did take the doctor's advice as far as you know,
some things and medication I would help a part of
my brain calm down because of the lack of sleep.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
And then I was having fiscal verbal text pretty strong.
But here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
I Leen went and got away with the Lord and
spent some time on in a prayer, but a notebook
was download and everything, and she came back to me
and she said, honey, and I.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Was in trouble.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Was like, uh, she goes, did the Lord ever tell
you we're supposed to move that Iraq?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
And I was like, yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know one text or asked, can you even move
to Iraq? I mean that's a hostile nation in a
lot of ways with an American passport. I don't know.
I'm just asking a question. A lot, that's right. October
twenty sixteen, Victor Marks a video that he posted defying
doctor's orders, deciding he's going to move to a rock
despite having three plus brain trauma on a scale of
one to four, despite doctors telling him that he had
(36:10):
the lower stress. The one thing that my mom told
me about my Christian upbringing is Jesus didn't save the world.
You're not going to either, and you can't certainly do
it alone, and you can't do it outside of the law,
and you can't do it by going around the law.
But Victor seems to have these delusions of grandeur about
saving the world himself and all things are possible, but
(36:31):
not just through him.
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