Author of "Tucker" Chadwick Moore; Miranda Devine discusses the upcoming Trump Trials

Author of "Tucker" Chadwick Moore joins the show to break down his book on Tucker Carlson and other political news.

Miranda Devine discusses the upcoming Trump Trials and how the media is covering these cases.

Episode Transcript

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You can text us five seven,seven, three nine, start at Ryan,
your reaction to any guests that we'vehad so far today and hitting in
the three spot in the lineup.This is usually reserved for your best hitter.
And as far as authors go,he's definitely in that category. And
on Amazon, as I look ather right now, there's only one book
left in stock of his definitive biographyon Tucker Carlson, simply entitled Tucker.

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So we want to sell that bookright now. You can check it out.
Not even the trolls could take downthe rating, by the way,
almost one thousand on there. Itrates four point eight stars out of five.
You know there's people libs going onthere that are trying to knock that
rating down, but no, it'spretty close to a solid five rating.
And you can get that hardcover editionnow for only seventeen fifty five. He
is Chadwick Moore. He joins usnow on six point thirty K. How

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Chadwick, welcome back. Hey,great to be back with you, Ryan,
Thanks for having me off. Yeah, always great conversations. And I
just want to start here. I'mnot sure if you've read it, but
this review of your book by TheGuardian, and as you might expect,
it's have you read it's The Guardian? I know, I know, have
you read it? Which one isthis? Let me see the title on
this one. It's pretty uh,you know, it plays the greatest hits.

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It's insinuating that Tucker. Is hea racist? Is he a misogynist?
Does he really hate women? ChadwickMoore reveals more it says Tucker review
Chadwick Moore is less get it onFox News's former star. Oh they're really
sending their best after me. Yeah. So what has the critical response been?

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Because the sales are off the chartsright, this book's doing well.
Yeah, yeah, it's great.And that's one of the I mean,
it's the fact that the people whoread it have all, you know,
mostly loved it. And the backof people actually read it. I hate
people come up to me and justtell me how much they've enjoyed it.
I means, everything abstually great.It's someone at The Guardian, who obviously
didn't even read the book for somereason, decided to write a hit piece

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about it. I think that alot of the Tucker haters have been silent
about it. The Washington Post askedreview copy and then decided not to publish
it the review of it. AndI think it's because the book really humanizes
Tucker Carlson. That's something that theyfear immensely. They want everyone to think
that he's this monstrous, hateful man, when you know, anyone who watches

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the show or doesn't believe those things, there's a live about him. Those
but that's true, and I knewthat was true going into this biography when
when you know, when we startedworking on it, I knew there was
something a lot more to Tucker thanmeets the eye, either both from his
tractors or whoever that you know,he was actually a really sort of interesting,
dynamic, thoughtful, very very funnyguy and very very well rounded and

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I really wanted to capture that,and people seem to be responding really well
to it, so that that feelswonderful. Chad More our guests, the
author of Tucker, the the definitivebiography on Tucker Carlson, and I was
correct, and I'm glad that youdid this, Chadwick. When I had
mentioned earlier in one of our previousinterviews that was an authorized biography, when
really that's a tricky term because whatTucker did was he gave you carte blanche.

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And I'd just like you to explainthat to our listeners, that you
could write whatever you wanted. Hedid not have final say or kind of
signing off on anything that you wrote. This was your book to write,
and he told you that that's right. Yeah. Yeah. The term authorized
biography is sort of strange because itcan mean one of two things. It
can mean, you know, there'sa subject to want the book written about

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him or her, and they kindof select a writer and they have all
sorts of saying what goes into it. I can also simply mean that a
subject just gave you permission and allowedyou full access, which was the latter
for me and Tucker, you know, was totally available to me, made
himself absolutely available. I spent alot of time with them, and since
I stay in his home at timesthat I was down spending time with them

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for the book, and he neverasked to see award of it. And
you know, for people who readthe book, or if you buy the
book, you'll see there's a bunchof childhood photographs of him in the book,
and photographs of him that they've nevermade public. Before that, he
gave me and his father gave meto using the book, and they never
wanted to see a word of it. They just trusted me to write what
I felt to be, you know, my perspective of him and his world

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and story Chadwick about his family,And I've got a lot of questions just
based on this Guardian article alone.I'm kind of trying to sift through you
know what's you know what from shayNolah. But with regard to his father,
his relationship with his dad, who'svery accomplished in his own right,
Tucker was not close to his mother, as I recall, if that's correct,

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what his father is like and whatinfluence you believe that he's had on
Tucker. That's right. So that'sone of the really interesting things about Tucker's
childhood was his mother abandoned her familywhen he was six years old, and
she never saw her again since shedied in twenty eleven from cancer. And
he never saw her into six yearsold and she left. She wanted to

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be as she was an heiress fromone of the wealthiest families in California.
Interestingly, his father was an orphanand uh, she just decided she wanted
to be a kind of bohemian worldgroupie. Motherhood wasn't for her. Uh.
And that's that's so he was justhe and his brother and his father
for a really long time. Hegot a stepmother later on, and I

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got to beat her as well.And his dad is they're very very similar.
And Tucker became a journalist because forthe most medieval reasons, and that's
his father was one. And they'reboth, you know, very literary guys.
His dad and his you know,one of his biggest supporters, and
and they're extremely close. They talkevery day. Uh. And you know,
his father's story is interesting in itsown line. I got a lot

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of a lot of anecdotes from himabout his his very rich and colorful,
uh youth, and and his hisgrowing up and then how you know,
you can see how he and Tuckerare very similar people. Now. From
this Guardian review, it says thatTucker shuns both socks and deodorant. But
the more interesting detail for me wasthat his wife of thirty years doesn't watch

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his show. It is not evenfamiliar with its content. Here's a quote.
I'm not sure if this is fromyour book, but this is from
the article about Susan Andrews, hiswife and mother of his four children,
says quote, I don't watch hisshow, so I don't really know what
he thinks, but it's my understandingTucker speaks about topics that are more I
guess controversial. Close quote. Isthat true? And if so, is

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Susan just feeling I'm better off keepingmy distance from what Tucker does. No
guardian totally took that quote ont ofcontent. You're partially right that quote.
She was talking about other news showson talks like I think I asked her
about Sean Handedy orsel Oh. Okay, okay, but you're right that she
doesn't watch his show, and becausethey don't own a television and hear of

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her homes, but she does readhis or she read past tense. I
should say his monologues every night beforehe sent them to his so she's very
familiar. She knows what going on. That you know, is obviously where
the opinions are. But you know, they keep their family kind of away
from the noise, so she theyhave a very very close marriage. And

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you know, as I said before, he would write his monologues, those
famous monologues is famous for him thea block of the show. That's all
him writing that that's not some producer, and he'd give it to his wife
first to read and then you knowthey would talk about it, and then
he had some of the doctors scucers. But but no, they one time
she did watch the show, shewent into the studio to sit and watch
it. But you know, shejust kind of they don't. He doesn't

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like he doesn't watch TV. Hedoesn't wal watch himself either, and that's
just sort of how they do itin their family. Yeah. I admire
both him and her for that.It's it's a healthy detachment from that cult
of personality, which again, havingspoken with you and what I've witnessed about
Tucker myself, just from firsthand watchinghim, he's not impressed with himself.

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He's not this guy that's trying tobuild this brand and sell it. Nation
why he does what he does.He hopes it's good enough that people will
consume it, enjoy it, thatit can be profitable. I'm sure,
But it's just it's the strangest celebrityI think I've seen in quite some time,
and that he's a very reluctant celebrity. Along those lines, right,
Chadwick. Yeah, sure, Andthat was one of, you know,

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one of the interesting things about him. He he said to me, there's
a line that he said that,you know, as a when he was
on Fox as a as a cablenews host. His job titles, I
am, I am, I'm right, You're wrong. I'm here to tell
you what the world's like. Butyou know, of course he's not.
And he goes through great lengths toremind himself of that and to keep himself
humble because he understands he and hehad a lot of mentors along the way.

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He was like Larry King, whogave him and his own father actually
very early on. His father ison television also and in local news in
San Diego, who gave him adviceto basically, don't believe the hype about
yourself. You know, if youstart to get big, just remember that
you're interchangeable in this business, asyou know. Darkly ironically he would he
would find out, I'll probably justactually a couple months after he said that,

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lying to me, And so healways knew that to not basically become
a jerk. I think he alwayslived at that in his mind, that
don't let anything go to your head, don't be kind of an insufferable person
who's full of yourself. And Ithink that's the way no one. I
couldn't find anyone at Fox who workedwith him who had anything negative to say
about him. You know, everyonein that company where they worked on his
show or not loved being around him. They loved what he was in the

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office. They all thought he wasjust the nicest, most fun guy.
And that's not always a case,especially with to TV news host. You
know, you can talk to youkind of gets the word about people and
who's a jerk and who's not,and who likes to scream the people,
and who has a big ego.And no one had anything like that to
say about Tucker. We don't haveto talk about Bill O'Reilly if we go
on to chad stay humble, stayhungry. I mean, that's a great

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policy to have. I try toemploy it myself. Chadwick Moore our guest.
He's the author of Tucker, TheDefinitive Biography of Tucker Carlson. Now,
one of the things I wanted tocatch up with you on, Chadwick
was you kind of got caught inthe crossfire and the fissure be between Tucker
Carlson and not only Fox, butthe personalities on it. Now since I
have noticed when he did the sitdown interview with Vladimir Putin, they aired

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a portion of that was newsworthy.They couldn't avoid him any longer, and
he knew that day was coming.But there was also the kind of blacklisting
of you that took place from oneGreg Gutfeld. And this pains because I
love Greg. I love his show. I know you do too, I
love your work. I would hopeyou two could could work it out,
but this is not going to comefrom you, I don't think. But
has that chill cooled at all?Has it thought at all between you?

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Fox News you Greg Guttfeld and they'reairing Tucker's stuff, So on that level,
I guess it has. Yeah.Yeah. So I was a regular
on Tucker Show basically the whole runof the show, which is how I
got introduced to him in the firstplace. And then I was a regular
and Greg Gutfeld show from the firstI believe the first month that the show

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premiered, I was on every singlemonth. I was in the sort of
monthtion and uh, and then ofcourse after we announced the Biography of Tucker,
which I've been working on for along time. I was all my
upcoming appearances on Fox were polled becauseyou know, I guess I've written this
book, and uh so I kindof understood that, but then it got
even deeper where, you know,as as I said something publicly about it,

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Well, this is why I haven'tbeen on, gufffelt because Fox's blackness
is me for writing this book.Uh, even though the book is not
you know, I don't know.I actually say some really nice things about
Fox in the book, but uh, you know, that's just the culture
over there. Uh, and thatwas sort of the culture that that took
Tucker off the air. Unfortunately,I you know, I did reach out

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to Greg want to kind of hesaid Tucker's name on air, and I
reached out to him to say,you know, that was pretty cool that
you did that. But no response. So I guess I'm still not good
graces, which is fine. Youknow, that's sort of how coobo works.
Well that's one angle to it,but there's got to be another here
as well. And Chatwick Moore,our guest author of the biography Tucker.
About Tucker Carlson, you mentioned You'vegotten great response to it, and I'm

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you know, putting the critics asidebecause they've they've got an axe to grind.
But has there been maybe someone surprisingthat our listeners might know that read
your book and liked it that youweren't expecting. Uh what, I won't,
I won't. I guess I won'tsay their name is. I've had
had some Fox News personalities reach outto me who I did not. They

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reach out to me privately on Twittersomewhere to say that they read the book
and really liked it. Some onair people at Fox. So that was
pretty cool. And uh, youknow r K Junior really loved the book
he has to blurb. And PulseyGabbart also and that was totally surprising,
and she sent some nice words aboutit that we put up on the on
the Amazon page. Uh. Andso you know another be you know,

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people like Naomi Wolf who you know, of course was this I think she
just did a show with Tucker youknow, used to be this one of
the biggest liberal feminist voices in thecountry. Uh, and actually have an
opportunity to meet her not too longago. And I think it just sort
of sums up that what Tucker representsis this, you know, it's this
kind of melding of it's it's thepopulist, the free thinkers versus the status

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and the establishment that has brought togethersome some unlikely people, like I said,
like Robert F. Kennedy Junr who'swho's pretty left and many things,
and Mary Wolf, you know,back to more traditional conservative people, and
Tucker has sort of been at theepicenter of that. He was sort of
at the center of this the shiftingpolitical paradigm and these shifting alliances. Now

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you mentioned this very unlikely but interestingnexus alliance coalition, if you will,
that's forming in terms of the populace, and they could be left or right.
But I'm feeling myself as kind ofone of those, a big Tucker
fan, big fan of your worktoo, and a big fan of what
Donald Trump represents. There are thingsabout him personally that I have misgivings about,

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but I have long ago put thoseto the side and said, no,
this movement is more important than eventhe individual himself, even though he's
he's the tip of the spear onall of this. But what I like
about RFK Junior is there's an authenticitythat comes across and I can disagree with
them, but I think it's comingfrom a good place, a righteous place.
RFK Junior wants what's best for thecountry, and he's putting that first.

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I sense all of that. Isense all of that as well.
About Tulsea Gabbard. She could havesold out to the establishment easily. She
was a rising star. I heardher with Tucker in a podcast format not
that long ago talking about this veryissue. So as you analyze at Chadwick,
I'm just asking for your opinion here. RFK Junior in recent days is
said, No, Donald Trump reachedout to me in serious fashion and offered

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me the VP slot. So I'mgoing to take him at his word on
that. But there's a lot oftalk that it could be Tulsy Gabbard.
She's open to it. She saidshe would accept that offer. What are
the chances that do you think thatTulsi Gabbard will be on the Trump ticket
as the VP pick or do youhave somebody else in mind do you think
has a better chance. Well,I mean, I do really like Tulci,

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you know, I guess personally,my opinion on that is I believe
she voted for impeachment, so Ithink that might be you know, kind
of a big, might be evendisqualifying factor. I think she was like
she voted presents. Yeah, yeah, another thing. I mean, I
think that it would be wonderful forthe ticket because lets would go insane.
I'm not sure if she exactly.I mean, she seems like she's in

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a place that you know, I'mI'm a former Democrat voter from a while
ago, and you know, itseems like she's sort of in that place
where she's not quite figured out whatexactly she is. And I wonder if
that would be problematic. I mean, she's still kind of goes back and
forth on certain issues, and that'snot I'm not that's what I judgment by
any mean, that's totally understandable.I Mean, she spent most relateful at

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Democrat Party. But I wonder ifthat might that might be some issues for
campaign. But then again, she'sincredibly charismatic, she's smart, she's young,
and and uh and she says theright thing, and she's you know,
felt the brunt of this evil machinethat's the dollond Trump is fighting right
now in the fact, you knowthat his sheep also helps expose how incredibly

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corrupt the Democrat Party is in theestablishment. Yeah, certainly a very important
function in that regard. So whoare your chips down for the VP pick?
Chadwick just curious, Oh man,The big question Tucker was, you
know people are talking about Tucker Yeaha lot, right, and he you
know, I asked him about thatalso, and he you know, he
has never had any ambition to runfor office. He kind of he doesn't

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really had that gene that he thinkshe deserves to lead people, and he's
very much you know, he Idon't think he would ever want to put
his family through that level of scrutinyif he were to be the vice president
pick, because you know, that'sone reason. Another is I think he
sort of found his place in lifeand his station, and he likes where
he is to be a professional observerand storyteller of as he sees himself in

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an interviewer. So I wrote offTucker a while ago when people started suspecting
it might be him. But forin terms of you know, there's some
good options, there's I guess quotingaround Tim Scott Chris, you know,
I guess for a minute people weresaying, maybe Lee's Eldon, who's very
well Liked's got to be though thathe's got to pick someone that the establishment
doesn't want to replace him with you. He's definitely got to pick someone that

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they find that they find as repulsiveas him. Such a great So your
next book's going to be about Trump? Right? Oh, maybe we'll see.
There's definitely a good one in there, you know, from a different
perspective, but uh yeah, justeven you know, hearing Tucker's story is
about what it's like to hang outwith Trump, really entertaining after the lot

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of there's in the book to sortof Trump the dude. Yeah story,
Yeah, just what you see onTV, which is much different from what
you see on TV. But yeah, that's another another wonderful character study.
Well we'll see if there's the guythat write it. I think it's Chadwick
Moore. And it's a fascinating book, a look at behind the scenes at
Tucker Carlson, very in depth,full access. Tucker granted him that with

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tremendous grace, and he wrote thebook that he wanted to write, and
you can find it on Amazon.Last time I checked, there was only
one left in stocks. You mightto pre order. It is simply entitled
Tucker Great Stuff is always Chadwick Moore, the author. Chadwick, thank you
so much for your time, andwe'll talk again soon. Yes, sure,
thank you for the pleasure. Allright, Chadwick Moore joining us here.
On six thirty K. How nowwe're going to get into the devil

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of the details and the Trump legalcases when we come back. No better
source for that, the Miranda divineof the New York Post. You won't
want to go anywhere. Keep itlocked in right here, Ryan Schuling on
six thirty K. How judge sayshe can't attend Baron's high school graduation?
He wins in a landslide. Well, he's already said it. Because Donald

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Trump right now is a defendant ina criminal case. He will issue a
bench warrant if the defendant does notappear for trial and have him arrested.
Yeah, who in California? Yeah? Do you think that any of this
what we are saying here is crazy? I thought one of the most pathetic,
petty, self harming acts of politicalsuicide I've ever witnessed. Donald Trump

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should go to his son's graduation.Mm right, go to the graduation.
Honestly, if you're watching President Trump, just go to the graduation. Every
parent in America, whether they likeyou or hate you, well go.
Yeah. I'd have done that too. Yeah. Wise words from Pierce Morgan.
He's again on the Five today andthat was from the Five yesterday.
Donald Trump should call the bluff.Just go to the graduation. Make them

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arrest you, make them put youin jail or in handcuffs. Give the
public that visual, those optics,and see how that works out for the
perpetual roadrunner in this situation, DonaldTrump against wile E Coyote, and that
would be the Democrats and the forcesthat be that are persecuting and prosecuting him

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in what might be the most ridiculouscase. It's a tough race, but
this one might be it. WithAlvin Bragg in Manhattan, she's in the
heart of it all reporting from therefor the New York Post, she joins
us now Ryan Schuling on six pointthirty K. Well, it's Miranda Divine.
Follow her on x formerly known asTwitter by that very handle at Miranda
Divine. Miranda, thank you somuch for joining us, Hi, Ryan,
great pleasure. I am getting alot of entertainment value just out of

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your tweets describing a couple of thesejurors coming in. What do we know?
I just saw a report on CNNthat they've been able to seat six
jurors. Is that a shock anda surprise to you at this point?
Well, I mean, I thinkthey've got a pool of about two hundred
there. I'm not actually in thecourtroom that we've got a pool of reporters

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in there who've been, you know, sending us all the information that's in
there from the various people. Andyou know, it's a very difficult situation
because there's nobody in Manhattan who doesn'thave an opinion about Donald Trump. The
guy's been larger than live in thiscity for decades, and so, you

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know, and you get the feelingwith some of these people that, particularly
some of the women, that there'ssort of pretending that they can be impartial,
but they have extremely strong opinions.And Trump's judge, of Trump's lawyers
only have a certain number of youknow, rejections that they can go through,
and the judge, who is obviouslyincredibly biased himself, has to be

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convinced, you know that, oh, this this person who said that they
were unbiased. Well, you knowTrump's lawyers say, well, we went
to their social media and here theyare saying lock him up. You know
the judges, Oh, okay,I'll let you have that one. But
he said, he said, that'sthe problem, that that line is a

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problem. But the line before itwhere he says, good news, Trump
just got arrested. You know thatthat would have been okay, that line
would have been okay. It's justunbelievable actually, and it's sort of fastcle
It's a joke. You look atit. News is it's totally ridiculous experience.
You've got the former president, thecurrent Republican candidate who is sitting in

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a criminal trial and he should beconvicted. And we know from the polls
that there are independents and some Republicanssignificant numbers to say, if you can
believe them, that they would notvote for Trump if you is a convictive.
Cella Miranda Devine joining us with herbreakdown what's going on in that Manhattan
courtroom. And you know, peoplehave talked about the judge accusing himself,

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which obviously should happens, not goingto happen. But the venue, too,
is a problem. Here, Miranda, because like you said, it's
baked into the cake. Everybody inManhattan from that jury pool has an opinion
of Donald Trump. And whether it'sthe Trump team that might strike a juror
for cause, well, the prosecution'snot going to want anybody that might slip
through the cracks. That's pro maga. So how do you arrive at twelve

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objective jurors. You can't, Youabsolutely can't. And anybody who doesn't have
an opinion about Donald Trump, they'vebeen living in a cave. You don't
want them. They're dumb, theycan't draw opinions. You know, we're
human beings and we have opinions.And there are same unded people who I'm
sure would be able to set asidetheir biases and treat this like any other

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sports. But I think it's extremelydifficult. And you know, having a
judge who's shown biased the those hehas, just like Judge Endern, is
also a problem. I just don'tunderstand why. If they want to give
the appearance that justice is being done, they should really have he should have

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accused himself, and they shouldn't havesomeone who's not quite so resisiove and maybe
move the trial like the Adirondack Mountainsof upstate New York, that might be
a choice. So, Miranda Devinejoining us New York Post, I want
to get your reaction to a verytrusted legal mind at CNN, Jeffrey Tue.
But no scandal there whatsoever. Buthis comment here about the access Hollywood

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tape. I've got thoughts on myown, but I want to get yours.
Here's that clip for our listeners.I also thought it was appropriate to
keep the excess Hollywood tape out.That is a case that is a tape
about non consensual sexual contact. TheDonald Trump saying, you know what everyone
knows he said about what he coulddo with women. That's not what this

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case is about. Noah Stormy Danielsand Karen McDougal both claimed that this was
consensual sex, and I thought keepingthat away from the jury, even though
they probably already know about it,was an appropriate decision for Trump's benefit.
I mean, Mirenda, he isright, but it goes to the point
of why is this even being considered. It has nothing to do with the

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case. Plus, in keeping withthe timeline of all of this, we're
going back to the twenty sixteen election. Now, eight years ago, two
elections ago, and we're going torelitigate that when the Access Hollywood tape was
out there, people voted and Trumpwon. Anyway, the broader point being
here, why is Alvin Bragg allowedto massage these charges around felony counts?

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It just seems so desire. Imean, Jonathan Turley has slammed it.
But just how is this case happening? I guess that's my question for you.
Well, why it's happening is becauseNew York is just a one party
down to one party state, likea lot of places in this country.
And the Democrats have no scruples,they don't care. They just want to

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win at any cost. And they'reaided in the bettered in that by people
professionals who should know better, lawyers, judges, and so on, who've
been somehow brainwashed into thinking that DonaldTrump is an existential threat. So when
they do the wrong thing, whenthey break the rules, when they break

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the norms, when they are unfairand unethical, when it comes to Donald
Trump's it's fair game because they thinkthere's a greater good that they have to
do. This to say of thecountry, it's very twisted and I don't
really know how we get out ofthis other than Donald Trump wins and there

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isn't COVID or something that comes along, and there's not a Russia collusion,
and he's able to actually have foursuccessful years. You know, that would
be nice, But I just don'tthink the Democrats are going to let that
happen because it's actually their worst nightmarebecause he's not controllable. And you know,
normally you have Republicans and Democrats kindof agree on certain things, and

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Donald Trump is just a maverick.And you saw with the Abraham Accords and
his foreign relations that you know,policies that he had in office. It
was not like anything that any ofthe previous presidents from either party had done.
And so he didn't just come upagainst the party system. He came

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up against the whole foreign policy establishments. And they're very powerful. And the
intelligence agencies are part of that,you know, the CIA, the FBI,
and so that's what he's up against. So I just you know,
they don't want him to win.They we do whatever it takes to make

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sure he doesn't, even if itlooks terrible. This this looks so unreasonable,
and I'm there, but who isthe umpire that we go to to
say this is wrong. You can'tcommit lawfare against one of the candidates,
the two presidential candidates that no onecares, and the media is so dishonest
that they go along with them.Miranda Devine, New York Posts final question

(27:38):
for you, Miranda, We appreciateyou taking some time out for us,
but to me, as I breakthis down, you mentioned that whole term
and it's true existential threat to democracy. They're trying to sell us this bill
of goods. But there's two pointsto be made here. First, and
that is the voters are with them, meaning no matter what poll you look
at, and Biden's leading by asmall margin in some of them, any

(27:59):
Paul, every poll, Trump isdoing better than he did in twenty twenty
before all of this came down thelawfare that you talk about. But Donald
Trump had a choice, a binarychoice. He could have gone back to
mar Lago, and I guarantee youand I think you'll agree, none of
these charges would have been brought forthagainst him, or he could have run
for election a third time, puthimself through all of this, paid all

(28:19):
of these legal fees and fines,and gone through these trials and courts.
Is that what a dictator does,because to me that seems antithetical to the
whole notion of being a dictator.Well exactly, I mean what a dictator
does is exactly what Biden's been doing. And then if you try to lock
up your opponents, and you know, it's always projection. The fact that

(28:41):
Joe Biden, every time he accusesDonald Trump with something, it's what he's
been doing, it's what he's partydid, And it's interesting. I don't
think the voters are fooled like theywere in twenty twenty about Joe Biden.
You saw that. Let it's NewYork Times seeing a poll on the weekend
and democracy Defending Democracy is you know, one of the champaign centerpieces for Joe

(29:06):
Biden, and yet he gets theworst ratings on defending democracy than Donald Trump's.
Or haws that theek that said voterscan see through what's going on.
She's the author of the bestseller Laptopfrom Hell, which of course started the
whole firestorm of getting The New YorkPost blocked and banned on old Twitter.
Thankfully it's x now under Elon Muskcan't pull those tricks. Anymore and you

(29:30):
could follow her on x at MirandaDivine, Miranda Divine of the New York
Post. Miranda, thank you somuch for your time, great stuff.
I look forward to our next conversation. Thanks Ron, great, thank you
all right, thank you very much. We'll take this final time out.
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