Bernadette 'Bernie' Lake helped run an anti-human trafficking NGO in India for 12 years. She joins Ryan to share her experience and expertise on a pressing issue affecting thousands of children in America currently missing.
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George Brauchler, 23rd District Attorney joins Ryan to break down one of the strangest stories you'll ever hear - a JeffCo Deputy claims immunity from culpability for his K9 companion who attacked a 2-year-old DougCo girl and her father at the toddler's birthday party, because cleaning up the dog's urine constituted performance of his law enforcement duties. George attempts to sort through the details.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is bonded labor. It is a financial crime. They
do it to make a profit, but at whose cost.
When most of us talk about human trafficking, we think
about sex, slavery, brothels, and prostitutes. And yes, that is
there and it is barbaric. But let's kill the onion
back and sting our eye and think about the slavery
(00:39):
that built our home, that picks our food, or built
the clothes that we're wearing. We all rely on slave
labor more than we realize.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Bonded labor, slave labor. These terms being introduced into the
lexicon during a TED talk that you heard there with
our next guess. Yes, her given name is Bernadette. Had
to play that the four tops. She joins us. Now
she goes by Bernie, and that's what we're going to
call her. Bernie Lake joins us on Ryan Schirling Live,
Bernie welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Thank you, good to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Try to give you that opening intro and that salvo
that you fired at the beginning of your TED talk
really stung and it hits home. You make that comparison
to an onion, but that there are things that we
enjoy in our everyday lives that we don't give a
second thought to and yet they are the product in
many cases of this slave labor, this bonded labor.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
That you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Can you give us some examples of those types of
products and where they come from.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Absolutely, and thank you for having me on. I think
one big misconception is when people think they're buying organic
that it is also fair trade, and it is not.
You have to look for fair trade in supermarkets and
in the stores to know that it is unlikely a
slave made that product. So that's the best way to
(01:55):
do it. It does cost more for a reason because
they're actually paying livapool wages. There is no way you
can buy a two dollars T shirt from Walmart that
is not on sale, and everybody along that way was
paid a livable wage if it was made in Guatemala or.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
River it was.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
They just think about the import tax, the export tax,
the shipping costs. A T shirt costs more than two dollars,
so somebody was not paid. Somebody along that line was
a slave.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Now you worked in anti human trafficking for an NGO
that your then husband and you paired up on in India.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
For twelve years.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Take us back in time to the genesis of forming
that NGO, going to India and why India and the
highlights of those twelve years that you spent, how you
were different coming out of that experience than you were
going in.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's a lot, right there, Are you kidding? We got
an hour?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Well, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Okay. So I was working on Wall Street at the time,
in the church I was going to. I went on
a humanitarian trip to India. I just thought it was
gonna be one of those countries like checkmarks. Then there's
done that. I had no idea God and I were
going to wrestle and he was gonna call me out
of Wall Street, give everything away, move to India, which
I did. Married my now ex husband who is Indian.
(03:12):
He was born and raised in Bombay, and we yes,
we started an orphanage, and then I kind of got
I started looking into human trafficking, started going down some
rabbit holes. I got a roster of all of our
kids at the time, I think we had about thirty
five kids between our boys and girls shelter, and over
ninety percent of them were affected by human trafficking, meaning
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that's why they needed shelter and to be in our orphanage,
so I realized that human trafficking was a much bigger
issue then I realized at the time when we started.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
The Orphanage and then coming out of that experience, Bernie,
you were on Humanity Against Tyranny, the podcast that I
produced with p K. Stein Mark Stevenson hosting, and you
shared some harrowing tales there. But I can only imagine
what you saw and how that changed you, I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Not fundamental as a person.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
If you can give maybe one example and just what
people need to know that maybe they.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Don't know right now.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, human trafficking will show you a level of evil
and depravity. You didn't even know what's possible at a
large scale. Humans are commodities. Sex trafficking is horrendous, and
yet you I saw where the where the cages where
they kept the little kids because it technically it's illegal,
(04:28):
you know. I regularly walked the red light area in
Bombay taking kids out on friendly basis. It wasn't a
rescue type mission because you can only do those once
and you're tagged. There is no chance this very white
America you're always going to blend in. So I had
to go in on friendly terms. And I think you know,
one of the worst stories is one of the boys,
actually I told yesterday, who's a product of the Red
(04:50):
Light area, which is a slum. It is open sewage,
no running water. So think about that, no running water
in a red light area, And nobody's really bathy very well.
And he ended up murdering his mom because she didn't
give him any more money. And I viewed her. She
looked like Mary Poppins to me. She always had a parasol.
She was very soft spoken, and yes, though she was
(05:13):
a brotha owner, she was a victim of human trafficking herself.
And that sinatual progression. You go from a prostitute to
a Bratha owner when you age out and our disease
ridden and no longer desired and can't make money. And
he strangled her and then chopped her body up, put
it in a metal chest and rolled it down the
center of the Red Light Area with the blood dripping
(05:35):
out of it, and then jumped her body in a river.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
This nightmare scenes Bernie Lake observed personally while running an
anti human trafficking ango in India for twelve years. Want
to hone in a particular detail that you mentioned, Bernie.
I mean, you're right, you're a white woman. You stand
out in that environment and there's no blending in, there's
no decoying, there's no camouflaging. But that your life, I
(05:59):
would have to imagine and would have been in peril
at some point. And when you're going in for like
a one and done rescue mission. It's almost like we
hear about this with the Navy cl Seal Team six
or something. They got one shot at this and then
they got to get out. You had some success stories,
but I got to imagine you came pretty close to,
you know, maybe endangering your own life.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Absolutely, I'm a woman of strong faith, so Jesus was
certainly always with me, and I felt it and needed it.
Because India is the fourth most dangerous country in the
world for women. Bombay is similar to going to a
Mexican town and getting lost and murdered and your body
will never be found. It's the same way in Bombay.
And yes, there was one of the Brasa owners, uh,
(06:44):
a Bravo owner. I'm sorry. She ran the red Light area.
So she was an extremely wealthy woman, very powerful, very corrupt,
very evil, and she at different times would have her
thug stalk me for a couple of weeks and I
saw them, I knew they were They followed me every
where I went. They have just slipped my throat thrown
me in the side of the river of the ocean
in Bombay, Yep. But yes, yeah, it is a very
(07:08):
dangerous area to walk in and out of, and I
definitely felt God's protection.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Bernie like joining us, and I want to kind of
bring this home a little bit because John Fabricatory is
a good friend of mine and man, he is a
good dude, and he is currently working in the Trump
administration along with RFK Junior HHS and trying to track
down all of these missing children throughout the United States,
many of whom came here with illegal alien parents or
(07:35):
maybe just by themselves coyotes.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
That traffick them.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And this is the big part that I keep trying
to focus on and direct people's attention to, Bernie, and
why I had you on the show, because this is
the really dark underbelly of illegal immigration. It's not just oh,
people looking for a better brighter life to come here
and pick our crops and clean our sheets and work
in our fields and all that sort of thing that
the coastal liberal elite left would have you believe. Their
(08:01):
lives are severely imperiled. They have to pay a price,
not just in a bounty to coyote, but a debt
that might have to be repaid in some way, faith, shape, fashion,
or form. And women and girls and children are trafficked
and boys as well throughout the United States as means
of paying that price. We saw that in the movie
Sound of Freedom. Take us from there, if you would.
(08:23):
The quest to find these children and why illegal immigration
is such a terrible thing for the actual illegal aliens
who are coming into the country.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Absolutely. What people don't realize is they have to live
in the shadows. They have to live underground. They can't.
They just can't call nine to one one because they're
afraid the police are going to show up. Now, imagine
a child who does not have an advocate, who doesn't
have somebody protecting them, making sure they're eating their dinner,
making sure, you know, if they fall down and hurt
their knee, that they get a band aid for it.
(08:54):
They have the complete opposite. They have a monster who
has taken custody of this child and has a free
for all to make however money, how much money they
can make, whatever means possible, so that child has nobody
who is protecting them. And this is why I'm against
illegal immigration in the world over, no matter where.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
It is, because they live in the shadows and they
are prone to such vulnerable, dangerous situations, and nobody is
there to stop it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Two more things, Bernie, always appreciate your time, and I'm
sure we'll have you back. There's so many more conversations
we can have. And that is the Trump policies in
two regards. One on the border, and we're seeing the
border basically be shut down to a trickle of illegal
aliens coming across, and even Joe Scarborough is admitting as
such on MSNBC.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
You have, in one instance, a southern border which Donald
Trump promised.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He would secure.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
You wouldn't have the number of migrants crossing every day
that you had during the Biden administration.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
That certainly is the case. I mean, the southern border.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Is as secure as it's been in sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Which is blowing the minds of MSNBC viewers that have
been conditioned to hate Donald Trump. So that's the one portion,
and then the other, Bernie, is the trump efforts through
Doge and Elon Musk to uncover all this nefarious spending
that was kind of off the books but discovered through USAID,
and the types of NGOs and organizations that weren't looking
(10:27):
to do the work that you did through yours, but
are just simply corrupt and part of a cabal, part
of a deep state that a lot of people kind
of write off as a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And yet you saw these things firsthand.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So on that level, with those efforts by the Trump administration,
how far have we come in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
How much farther do we need to go?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, yeah, it's hard to know how much farther, but
we are absolutely on the right path one thousand percent.
But definition, a non government organization should not be receiving
government funding. Definition yes, And when I ran my nonprofit
of my NGO, I didn't get any government funding. And
I came back and met with donors and talked to
churches and had accountability. Yeah, you know, these nonprofits have
(11:13):
none of that. Nobody's asking them tough questions. It's just,
you know, it's just corruption running the money through. So no,
I don't believe any government. I do not believe government
money should be going to an NGO. And yes, the
left is blowing their minds that what an actual secure border,
and that is better for everybody, including you know, the
illegal immigration that happens across that extremely dangerous journey. You
(11:36):
know where the women are raped, the children, the boys
that I mean, everybody. It's a very violent and dangerous
path that is being stopped and that is a good
thing for humanity.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
One last thing, Bernie, and people that are listening out there,
I mean I felt this way too after I watched
Sound of Freedom and my eyes were opened and all
these horrors that are happening to these kids. And that's
the one thing that that's a big trigger for me
is when kids are targeted, or kids are victims, or
kids are preyed upon, her kids are indoctrinated. That really
gets my dander up. But for people that actually want
(12:08):
to do something contribute, whether it's time or money or
goods or things that would matter to an organization like
yours was, or the work that you might continue to do,
how can they do that work?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Should they go?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I would say go to smaller organizations because the big
ones have so much luff in their budgets. I would
see those big organizations have a week long trip to
Goa which is like Florida and vacation and throwing a
couple of projects here and there. Go through your churches.
There's small time missionaries that do incredible work on a
(12:42):
very small budget, and your money will go so much
farther than if you gave to big organization.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
She is Bernie Lake, an anti human trafficking advocate, and
she has put both her money and her life where
her mouth is, and she is to be admired. And
you can follow her on Exit Colorado Girl. That's where
I follow her. And we thank you so much for
your time, Bernie, for all the work that you've done
and for all the awareness you continue to build.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Thank you Ryan all right, and.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You can sound off yourself at five seven seven three
nine getting those texts as well, and appreciate your contributions
to the program. Kelly could share alongside Ryan shuling with you.
George Brockler still to come and let me see a
couple questions here I'll ask during the break via text
to Bernie, please ask your guests how these people obtain
these children? Are the parents selling them? If you want
(13:34):
a lot more depth to the conversation that I just had.
I would again recommend that you download, subscribe and listen
to Humanity Against Tyranny.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
That's my good friend P. K. Stein Mark Stevenson.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
They went into the nitty gritty details here and they
are very dark, and Bernie was really only scratching the
surface with me.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
You kind of got the PG. Thirteen version.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's very troubling what you hear, the stories, the things
that Bernie saw, and it's it's basically just a way
of doing business. There's so much corruption overseas and a
lot of these countries so far beyond what we could
even imagine, and it goes all the way top. It's leadership,
it's government, it's the police and their bribes. It's the
(14:13):
parents who are looking to survive, and as a means
of that survival, yeah, sell their daughters from marriage to
these Arab royalty elite that come in. I mean, this
is a lot of it is very much out in
the open too, which is open corruption in these countries,
whereas in the United States it exists and don't have
(14:34):
any illusions about that, but you have to do it
under cover of darkness. And like she said, the pattern
of illegal immigration allows for that kind of black market
underworld to exist and to succeed, and it drives that
down into the tunnels underneath the country. That sort of thing,
both figurative and literal, and it's a really it's a
nasty business, and it corrupts and it violates the innocence of.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
So many children all the world.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
O it's boys and its girls, and it's their lifelong
sentence really into slavery in effect and bonded labor, as
Bernie defines it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
So again.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That episode was just posted last night. You can find
out of your favorite podcast platform, Humanity Against Tyranny, and
you'll see Bernie David's name on there. To invite you
to check that out. Ryan, you need to spell your
friend's last name who sells beef. I responded to that, Texter,
but I want to tell it to.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
All of you.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
His name's Derek Lutchka l u Tchka and if you
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a local rancher. We want to support our local ranchers.
Unlike Marlon Reese went to have a meet in day,
we had to have a meet in month, we have
a meet in year, and a meat in existence. Cattle
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ranchers are the lifeblood of the Colorado economy, along with
energy right at the top of the list there, and
tourism of course up in the mountains.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
But those two energy and cattle ranchers, farmers here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I mean, we've got to make sure we look out
for them, because we know that our democratic leadership and
government here in Colorado is not in will not. Going
back to the texts five seven seventy three nine, did
minorities call Brooke Shields a Nazi for her gene comment
and commercial in nineteen eighty I don't remember it now Again,
I was only six. I barely understood a lot of things,
(16:20):
including that. But Kelly, what was your recollection? I don't
mean call race even being invoked or brought up.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
No, that would be a big no, not even close,
you know.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
And I took business how we've evolved.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I talked to Nick Ferguson a lot about this, and
Nick and I have become pretty close colleagues here at
KOA and khow and he was a former defensive back
for the Denver broncos he is kind of a lone
wolf in his own family, and it's hard for him
to even have conversations anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Because Nick's a freethinker.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I wouldn't say he's necessarily conservative, but he has definitely
been red pilled to a degree in a good way.
He can have some civil conversations with his dad. But
what he's telling me is he has to unwind so
many these preconceived notions and embedded stereotypes about Conservatives and Republicans.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Dan Kaplis talks about.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
This a lot and realize that the true depravity coming
from the left is this assumption that you can put
people into silos and define them by immutable characteristics that
they don't control. You're black, therefore you vote Democrat. You're LGBTQ,
therefore you vote vote Democrat. Why, well, you're in that silo. Well,
what are you doing for me? What are you doing
for me? That's the thing Nick talks about. And we
(17:29):
had a conversation about the Civil Rights Act and the
Voting Rights Act of sixty four to sixty five, signed
by Lyndon Baines Johnson, and he is fixated on that
quote that is attributed to LBJ that I cannot say
on the air, but to paraphrase, what he said is,
we'll have those black folks another word for that voting
for us for the next one hundred years.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And what LBJ calculated very cynically.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
LBJ was a skilled but extremely cynical politician.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Not a great guy, just wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But I knew how to kind of shake hands, kiss babies,
make back door deals behind closed doors, cigar filled rooms.
And he was part of these Southern Democrats that were
extremely racists, the Dixiecrats, but he was able to commandeer
a deal with the Republicans of the North. Largely that
were advancing these bills was the Republicans. Jackie Robinson was
(18:22):
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Nixon at one time he became disaffected with Nixon. But
you know, all of these original black pioneers were Republicans.
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that song and you usually it's caused to celebrate, and
you'll hear it at the arena when your favorite sports
team is playing you want to dance around. But this
is actually central to a case that actual question who
let the dog out? Who let the dog jump a
fence and attack a toddler at her own birthday party?
And this crosses county lines as far as jurisdiction for
(20:34):
law enforcement. It's a Jeffco deputy and his claim is bizarre.
I'll let George Brockler fill in the blanks. But it
was a birthday party for a two year old. Jeffco
deputy lives next door to his neighbor in Doug Coo.
And now we've got a case based on a dog
the breed of Belgium Malanoy. George Brockler, this is bizarre.
(20:57):
Take us from the beginning and tell us from there
what happened.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Yeah, thanks for letting me talk about this one, because
I'm pretty outraged at how this thing went down and
the end result. And anyone that's heard me talk on
your show or anywhere knows you're not going to find
a DA more supportive and protective of law enforcement than
I am. But in this particular case, I'm pretty pissed
off at the way Jefferson County and their deputies have
(21:23):
responded to this. Here's what happens. Jeffco Sheriff's deputy has
a canine that he's a canine officer. The canine lives
with them, that's totally normal. The canine gets out of
its kennel in his backyard, hops over the neighbor's fence
and attacks a two year old at her two year
old birthday party by the way, with her twin two
(21:44):
year old with her. This dog bites down so hard
on her leg it breaks her femur audibly. Dad rushes
over to save his daughter's life, and of course the
dog turns and attacks him as well. Finally the dog
is pulled off.
Speaker 9 (22:01):
Right.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Well, we have a law in the state of Colorado.
It applies border to border called harboring a dangerous dog.
And it's pretty clear if you have a dog, Ryan,
I have a dog. Anybody else has a dog that
attacks and harms another human being, you're guilty of this charge.
It's not intense, not no, it's like your dog goes
and attacks and hurts someone. You're on the hook because
(22:22):
you're responsible for protecting others from your dog. However, there
is a provision of a statue that exists for the
purpose of making sure that if canine officers in the
performance of law enforcement duties are like, let's say they're
chasing down a bad guy, a rapist, a murderer, a
bank robber, and the dog gets away from them and
(22:46):
is chasing the bad guy and in the process maybe
bites the wrong person. Well, of course they should not
be prosecuted for that, right, Like that makes sense. We cause, okay,
I can understand why we do that. That's not this case.
But here's what happens. This sheriff's deputy then says, well,
you know what, I was cleaning up the dog's pee
(23:06):
in the kennel inside the house, away from the dog
somewhere else, and cleaning up pee is part of the
performance of my duties as a canine office. And here's
a contract between Jefferson County and me that says, I'm
required for five hours. I get compensated for five hours
a month to take care of this dog's fee season
(23:27):
you're in in the feeding and all this other stuff.
And based on that, I should be immune from prosecution.
How outrageous is that? But wait, because there isn't a
definition in the law. And I'm going to say yet,
because I've got proposals running in the law. Yet, Jefferson
County Sheriff pays for her two senior people in her
(23:50):
office to come and testify that that contract means that
this guy's on duty twenty four to seven and that
anything and everything he does related to that dog is
the performance of his duties and therefore anything the dog
does he's not responsible for. That's right. That means that
the attacking, mauling, breaking up the leg of this two
year old, there just aren't any criminal consequences. In fact,
(24:13):
if you play out there ridiculous theory hat this dog
killed the two year old, killed her twin, killed mom,
killed dad, hell killed anyone that tried to stop it,
this guy would say, oh, well, I was cleaning up
the pee at the time, so I'm off the hook.
And the Jefferson County Sheriff's office would.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Say, we agree.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Have you ever heard of anything more outrageous?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
It is just so strange on so many levels. And
I got a lot of questions. I'm not sure how
many I'll be able to get in. Who you're hearing, obviously,
is George Brockler, the twenty third District Attorney, and that's
Doug Co. And that's where this took place. It's a
Jeff Co deputy who happens to live in Doug Co.
And I can't help but go back to the Dukes
of Hazzard and whenever I can work those references in George,
you know, I'm going to do it. But there's Hazard
(24:59):
County and Sheriff Rusco Peat Coltrane Flash, and you know
Flash was a Bassett Hound, so he wasn't gonna hurt anybody.
But then there's Chickasaw County and I remember this, the
Duke boys that try to get to the county line
where Sheriff Edward little big Ed you know, a tall
and stature, a black Sheriff's w there and he's just
ready at the border. And the level of cooperation or
(25:20):
lack thereof, was kind of a point of humor. In
that series between Coltrane and the Chickasaw County Sheriff. Yeah,
I make that reference because there are relations when it
comes to law enforcement, when it comes to prosecution the
job that you do. I have to imagine between lawn
order in Jeffco and lawn order in doug Coe. And
if they go kind of, you know, rubbing your nose
(25:40):
in it on this not cooperating, that doesn't make for
good relations going forward.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
So who are you going to talk to?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Who can you talk to to try to resolve this
matter over in Jeffco?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
If anybody, well, I already reached out and had a
conversation with the sheriff. It was not a pleasant conversation.
It did not well, but I expressed my great frustration
and disappointment, and not only the way that one of
her sheriff's deputies is trying to avoid legal responsibilities that
you and I couldn't avoid. You and I couldn't do
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this if our dog did the exact same thing, but
that she would then lend support to other deputies showing
up to testify, to give this guy cover so that
he could walk away from this. And you should know, man,
the jury gets instructed because of the way this law is,
it's so ill defined. The jury got instructed on that,
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and they end up acquitting saying that we couldn't disprove
that this was in the performance of law enforcement duties,
which were required to do the way the laws right now.
When I say the way the laws right now is, man,
I got a mission here. I am going to find
me a legislator, presumably from Douglas County, and we're going
to craft Deputy Oliver's law, and that law is going
to clear up this mess so that no other two
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year old ever has to be victimized by some careless,
reckless dog handling canine guy who then shrugs off like, oh, well,
because I was cleaning up the peeps, I was performing
law enforcement duties, which is just ridiculous and offensive. Right,
So we're going to change the law. Here's something else
that ought to happen. I'm going to ask my sheriff.
I'm going to ask my county commissioners to craft an
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ordinance that goes out to every law enforcement agency outside
of our jurisdiction that has deputies that house these trained
killer dogs in our community and say you got to
register them. You got to register them with the sheriff's
office so we know what's in the community. And two,
you have to proactively notify everyone in your community, just
like you would with a sex offender. You've got to
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notify everybody you have a trained killer dog on your
property so that they know that until the laws change
that if this dog gets out and kills one of
the members their family, too bad. So sad.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I mean, you couldn't fill out a mad libs and
get this result. You've got dog pee in a cannel.
You've got a canine with a police unit that a
two year old, a birthday party, a bite, a broken leg,
all of this because the dog jumped the fence. George Brockler,
twenty third District Attorney joining us here. I might recommend
Representative Brandy Bradley maybe for this task, but that's just
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a personal recommendation.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
I'll reach out to Brandy.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, final thought here kind of along the lines what
you're just talking about George's registry.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
The dogs. You know, I have immense.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Admiration for our law enforcement like you do, but also
our canine units that these dogs, I mean, they're in
the line of fire just as well, and a lot
of them put their lives on the line and they
serve the community. And I love these dogs, and I
love dogs in general. I fancy myself a dog whisperer.
But what I'm getting at is where did the training
go wrong with this dog? And why would it still
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be part of a canine unit if it was this
difficult to control?
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Fuddy? How about this?
Speaker 8 (28:50):
How about after this happens, the sheriffs allowed that dog
to continue to live in that dude's backyard for nine
more months?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (29:01):
Can you what is going on? This is so offensive?
I mean, look to protect and serve? Who are they
protecting and serving? And look, I'm a guy that grew
up in prosecution in Jefferson County. I grew up in
Jefferson County. I've worked with sheriff's deputies, had him in
my family, friends of mine. These are great law enforcement officers.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Men and women.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
But this thing that took place in court is an embarrassment.
And my guess is, if you had any Jeffco. Sheriff's
deputies listening, none of them are going to call up
and say no, no, We're super proud of the way
our leadership handled this mass.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And I've rarely heard you this worked up, George, and
I know it's it's it's got to come to some
kind of resolution, and I hope that you find it
and find it soon. When you have an update, let
us know follow him on exit. George Brockler, he's the
DA in the twenty third. Che brock thank you so
much for your time, and again, best of luck in
this weird case.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Weird I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
All right, gee brock right there your thoughts at five
seven seven three nine.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Like I said, nobody loves dogs more than I do.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
They gotta have your dog under control, like you said, Yeah,
you have to have a dog on your lease. You
are responsible for your dog, and unfortunately we usually see
that a lot of times it's inversely proportional. The more
dangerous the dog is, the less responsible the owners.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I'm gonna get a.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Foot ball, I'm gonna get a cane corso, I'm gonna
get a raw wiler like you need to be responsible
with those types of dogs. With that comes great responsibility.
And yeah, you're liable. And like George said, we're on
the hook. But because this guy's a sheriff's deputy, Oh,
I was clean enough some pete.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Come on, man, that's weak. That is weak sauce.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And I just don't understand, like you have to have
pride in how your police department conducts itself. I know
Sheriff Steve Raims would speak to this, and he's got
a canine you and I've talked to him about it
a little bit. But if you had a dog that
was out of order, that was out of control, I'm sorry,
you got to take it out of service minimum And
if it attacks humans, you know there's a law on
the at least back where I come from a Michigan,
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that dog has to be put down at some point.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
You can't just have this dog going around attacking people.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Let alone standing in that same residence. We're just almost
maul the two year old.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
To death for the next nine months. It is crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
George is right five nine closing out with your text
after this on Ryan Schruling lived.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Just a good old ball never meaning it's all.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
You never saw men in trouble with the law. Certain
day they was bad some day the mountain, but alone
never weird.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Little girl for a trick, you saw deputies. I'm in
pursuit of generally.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Harks after us.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
He's tailing our.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Lookalikes, I think if I watched that scene correctly, So
I'm looking at season four, episode two, and they did
do this. Oh my goodness, I forgot this. So if
you recall, John Schneider and Tom Woolpatt were on strike
with their contracts and the production company that made The
(32:25):
Dukes of Hazzard a wildly successful TV show on CBS
from the late seventies to early mid eighties, they went
on without those two and they wrote them off like
they got no no, they got arrested somewhere else, and
Coy and.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Vance came in.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
My brother Nita and I were not big on Coy
and Vance, but they had Coy and Vance looks like
in this episode Season four, episode two, and Sheriff Little,
who I referenced in the previous segment in the interview
with George Brockler's on is chasing them from Chickasaw County
into Hazzard County.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And then they put on a disguise and when they
come out, it's Bowl Luke again. I think that's how
they wrote them back into the show. I never realized
that until I found that on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well here was that.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Well, Season four. That would have been like nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I want to say eighty Q maybe somewhere in there, Yeah,
because the first season was seventy nine, the seventy nine
eighty television season, the following.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Probably eighty three eighty four. Yeah, but what a bizarre
set of circumstances.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
He had a Jeffco Sheriff's deputy who lives in doug
Co with his canine. The dog from the canine unit
jumps the fence in doug Co neighbor's yard, nearly mauls
a two year old to death at her own birthday party,
and the dad comes to rescue it. A dog attacks
the dad as well, and then the deputy tries to
claim immunity because he was cleaning up the dog's p
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in its kennel.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Well, there's a couple of questions I have. First of all, okay,
lot canines are supposed to be very well trained. Why
is it peeing is in the kennel?
Speaker 4 (33:51):
First of all, well, how old is it? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Secondly, if you know that your dog has is trying
to kill and you have neighbors that are having a
party next door, wouldn't you chane the dog up or
at least, you know, do something to make sure that
you don't. You're not negligent. So I don't get it.
I'm I'm George was pissed, Yes he was, and I
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am totally for it. And I hope to God that
you know, he does find that legislature legislator from Douglas
County to you know, make that a reality, because that's
just a terrible story.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Some tax by seven seven three nine. Ryan, I am
as angry as George Brockler. If this was you or me,
our dog would be put down and we would be two.
We would be responsible for it. I'm with this text.
If I was that girl's dad, it would be a
dead dog. As much as I love them, family comes first.
What would the sheriff's office do? Then? I gotta tell you, buddy,
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you're not supposed to fire your weapon in a neighborhood
like that. But yeah, if if I had a two
year old and there was a dog breaking her leg
through a bite, gun out, kaboom gone, not a second thought,
not a second thought. I didn't initiate it. I'm defending
my child and I would put myself in front of
any jury, especially when in doug Co where g Brock's
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thest You think g Brock would prosecute me for that?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I'm a thinking not, No, I gotta move to doug Co.
In to it now.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I live in a rappah, Amy Patten, Oh i'd be
I'd get a life sentence.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Oh my god, you would immediately be arrested lord and
thrown in prison.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Especial with everything I've said about her on this program.
That would not play in my favor. Why am I
talking about her? Amy, You're great, she's not graty.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
She's terrible. She's terrible. She knows it too. That's the thing.
She might be hearing me, and she goes, Yeah, Ryan's
got a point. I'm pretty terrible, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
That deputy should be held responsible, held to a higher standard.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, higher standard, not a lower one. Great point.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
If he cannot meet that standard, he should seek other employment.
There's a couple of things here, Like Kelly was saying,
you're cleaning the p in the kennel, where's the dog?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Where's the dog?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
A hole?
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You're supposed to be responsible for the dog. And not
only that our sheriff's deputy.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You got an add level and layer of responsibility to
protect and serve your community from your own dog.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
What George was telling me too, I'm not sure if
you mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
The deputy had to protect his own kids from this dog.
If that dog is that far gone, I'm sorry. You
want the brightest and best, That's the theme.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Of today's program. You want the brightest and best dogs too.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
If this dog's off the reservation and cannot be trained,
cannot be controlled, then it has no business being on.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
A canine unit. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I think I'm right. You are not. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Thank you for that affirmation, that daily affirmation from Kelly
Coucerra and from all of you. Thanks for sending your
texts in our thanks to George Broncolar for joining us
to Bernie Lake as well. Dan Capp was straight ahead.
I'll be with you again tomorrow, Friday edition. Right Side
of Hollywood and Ryan Shuling Live
This is bonded labor. It is a financial crime. They
do it to make a profit, but at whose cost.
When most of us talk about human trafficking, we think
about sex, slavery, brothels, and prostitutes. And yes, that is
there and it is barbaric. But let's kill the onion
back and sting our eye and think about the slavery
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that built our home, that picks our food, or built
the clothes that we're wearing. We all rely on slave
labor more than we realize.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Bonded labor, slave labor. These terms being introduced into the
lexicon during a TED talk that you heard there with
our next guess. Yes, her given name is Bernadette. Had
to play that the four tops. She joins us. Now
she goes by Bernie, and that's what we're going to
call her. Bernie Lake joins us on Ryan Schirling Live,
Bernie welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Thank you, good to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Try to give you that opening intro and that salvo
that you fired at the beginning of your TED talk
really stung and it hits home. You make that comparison
to an onion, but that there are things that we
enjoy in our everyday lives that we don't give a
second thought to and yet they are the product in
many cases of this slave labor, this bonded labor.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
That you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Can you give us some examples of those types of
products and where they come from.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Absolutely, and thank you for having me on. I think
one big misconception is when people think they're buying organic
that it is also fair trade, and it is not.
You have to look for fair trade in supermarkets and
in the stores to know that it is unlikely a
slave made that product. So that's the best way to
(01:55):
do it. It does cost more for a reason because
they're actually paying livapool wages. There is no way you
can buy a two dollars T shirt from Walmart that
is not on sale, and everybody along that way was
paid a livable wage if it was made in Guatemala or.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
River it was.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
They just think about the import tax, the export tax,
the shipping costs. A T shirt costs more than two dollars,
so somebody was not paid. Somebody along that line was
a slave.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Now you worked in anti human trafficking for an NGO
that your then husband and you paired up on in India.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
For twelve years.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Take us back in time to the genesis of forming
that NGO, going to India and why India and the
highlights of those twelve years that you spent, how you
were different coming out of that experience than you were
going in.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's a lot, right there, Are you kidding? We got
an hour?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Well, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Okay. So I was working on Wall Street at the time,
in the church I was going to. I went on
a humanitarian trip to India. I just thought it was
gonna be one of those countries like checkmarks. Then there's
done that. I had no idea God and I were
going to wrestle and he was gonna call me out
of Wall Street, give everything away, move to India, which
I did. Married my now ex husband who is Indian.
(03:12):
He was born and raised in Bombay, and we yes,
we started an orphanage, and then I kind of got
I started looking into human trafficking, started going down some
rabbit holes. I got a roster of all of our
kids at the time, I think we had about thirty
five kids between our boys and girls shelter, and over
ninety percent of them were affected by human trafficking, meaning
(03:32):
that's why they needed shelter and to be in our orphanage,
so I realized that human trafficking was a much bigger
issue then I realized at the time when we started.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
The Orphanage and then coming out of that experience, Bernie,
you were on Humanity Against Tyranny, the podcast that I
produced with p K. Stein Mark Stevenson hosting, and you
shared some harrowing tales there. But I can only imagine
what you saw and how that changed you, I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Not fundamental as a person.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
If you can give maybe one example and just what
people need to know that maybe they.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Don't know right now.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, human trafficking will show you a level of evil
and depravity. You didn't even know what's possible at a
large scale. Humans are commodities. Sex trafficking is horrendous, and
yet you I saw where the where the cages where
they kept the little kids because it technically it's illegal,
(04:28):
you know. I regularly walked the red light area in
Bombay taking kids out on friendly basis. It wasn't a
rescue type mission because you can only do those once
and you're tagged. There is no chance this very white
America you're always going to blend in. So I had
to go in on friendly terms. And I think you know,
one of the worst stories is one of the boys,
actually I told yesterday, who's a product of the Red
(04:50):
Light area, which is a slum. It is open sewage,
no running water. So think about that, no running water
in a red light area, And nobody's really bathy very well.
And he ended up murdering his mom because she didn't
give him any more money. And I viewed her. She
looked like Mary Poppins to me. She always had a parasol.
She was very soft spoken, and yes, though she was
(05:13):
a brotha owner, she was a victim of human trafficking herself.
And that sinatual progression. You go from a prostitute to
a Bratha owner when you age out and our disease
ridden and no longer desired and can't make money. And
he strangled her and then chopped her body up, put
it in a metal chest and rolled it down the
center of the Red Light Area with the blood dripping
(05:35):
out of it, and then jumped her body in a river.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
This nightmare scenes Bernie Lake observed personally while running an
anti human trafficking ango in India for twelve years. Want
to hone in a particular detail that you mentioned, Bernie.
I mean, you're right, you're a white woman. You stand
out in that environment and there's no blending in, there's
no decoying, there's no camouflaging. But that your life, I
(05:59):
would have to imagine and would have been in peril
at some point. And when you're going in for like
a one and done rescue mission. It's almost like we
hear about this with the Navy cl Seal Team six
or something. They got one shot at this and then
they got to get out. You had some success stories,
but I got to imagine you came pretty close to,
you know, maybe endangering your own life.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Absolutely, I'm a woman of strong faith, so Jesus was
certainly always with me, and I felt it and needed it.
Because India is the fourth most dangerous country in the
world for women. Bombay is similar to going to a
Mexican town and getting lost and murdered and your body
will never be found. It's the same way in Bombay.
And yes, there was one of the Brasa owners, uh,
(06:44):
a Bravo owner. I'm sorry. She ran the red Light area.
So she was an extremely wealthy woman, very powerful, very corrupt,
very evil, and she at different times would have her
thug stalk me for a couple of weeks and I
saw them, I knew they were They followed me every
where I went. They have just slipped my throat thrown
me in the side of the river of the ocean
in Bombay, Yep. But yes, yeah, it is a very
(07:08):
dangerous area to walk in and out of, and I
definitely felt God's protection.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Bernie like joining us, and I want to kind of
bring this home a little bit because John Fabricatory is
a good friend of mine and man, he is a
good dude, and he is currently working in the Trump
administration along with RFK Junior HHS and trying to track
down all of these missing children throughout the United States,
many of whom came here with illegal alien parents or
(07:35):
maybe just by themselves coyotes.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
That traffick them.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And this is the big part that I keep trying
to focus on and direct people's attention to, Bernie, and
why I had you on the show, because this is
the really dark underbelly of illegal immigration. It's not just oh,
people looking for a better brighter life to come here
and pick our crops and clean our sheets and work
in our fields and all that sort of thing that
the coastal liberal elite left would have you believe. Their
(08:01):
lives are severely imperiled. They have to pay a price,
not just in a bounty to coyote, but a debt
that might have to be repaid in some way, faith, shape, fashion,
or form. And women and girls and children are trafficked
and boys as well throughout the United States as means
of paying that price. We saw that in the movie
Sound of Freedom. Take us from there, if you would.
(08:23):
The quest to find these children and why illegal immigration
is such a terrible thing for the actual illegal aliens
who are coming into the country.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Absolutely. What people don't realize is they have to live
in the shadows. They have to live underground. They can't.
They just can't call nine to one one because they're
afraid the police are going to show up. Now, imagine
a child who does not have an advocate, who doesn't
have somebody protecting them, making sure they're eating their dinner,
making sure, you know, if they fall down and hurt
their knee, that they get a band aid for it.
(08:54):
They have the complete opposite. They have a monster who
has taken custody of this child and has a free
for all to make however money, how much money they
can make, whatever means possible, so that child has nobody
who is protecting them. And this is why I'm against
illegal immigration in the world over, no matter where.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
It is, because they live in the shadows and they
are prone to such vulnerable, dangerous situations, and nobody is
there to stop it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Two more things, Bernie, always appreciate your time, and I'm
sure we'll have you back. There's so many more conversations
we can have. And that is the Trump policies in
two regards. One on the border, and we're seeing the
border basically be shut down to a trickle of illegal
aliens coming across, and even Joe Scarborough is admitting as
such on MSNBC.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
You have, in one instance, a southern border which Donald
Trump promised.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He would secure.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
You wouldn't have the number of migrants crossing every day
that you had during the Biden administration.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
That certainly is the case. I mean, the southern border.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Is as secure as it's been in sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Which is blowing the minds of MSNBC viewers that have
been conditioned to hate Donald Trump. So that's the one portion,
and then the other, Bernie, is the trump efforts through
Doge and Elon Musk to uncover all this nefarious spending
that was kind of off the books but discovered through USAID,
and the types of NGOs and organizations that weren't looking
(10:27):
to do the work that you did through yours, but
are just simply corrupt and part of a cabal, part
of a deep state that a lot of people kind
of write off as a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And yet you saw these things firsthand.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So on that level, with those efforts by the Trump administration,
how far have we come in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
How much farther do we need to go?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, yeah, it's hard to know how much farther, but
we are absolutely on the right path one thousand percent.
But definition, a non government organization should not be receiving
government funding. Definition yes, And when I ran my nonprofit
of my NGO, I didn't get any government funding. And
I came back and met with donors and talked to
churches and had accountability. Yeah, you know, these nonprofits have
(11:13):
none of that. Nobody's asking them tough questions. It's just,
you know, it's just corruption running the money through. So no,
I don't believe any government. I do not believe government
money should be going to an NGO. And yes, the
left is blowing their minds that what an actual secure border,
and that is better for everybody, including you know, the
illegal immigration that happens across that extremely dangerous journey. You
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know where the women are raped, the children, the boys
that I mean, everybody. It's a very violent and dangerous
path that is being stopped and that is a good
thing for humanity.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
One last thing, Bernie, and people that are listening out there,
I mean I felt this way too after I watched
Sound of Freedom and my eyes were opened and all
these horrors that are happening to these kids. And that's
the one thing that that's a big trigger for me
is when kids are targeted, or kids are victims, or
kids are preyed upon, her kids are indoctrinated. That really
gets my dander up. But for people that actually want
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to do something contribute, whether it's time or money or
goods or things that would matter to an organization like
yours was, or the work that you might continue to do,
how can they do that work?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Should they go?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I would say go to smaller organizations because the big
ones have so much luff in their budgets. I would
see those big organizations have a week long trip to
Goa which is like Florida and vacation and throwing a
couple of projects here and there. Go through your churches.
There's small time missionaries that do incredible work on a
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very small budget, and your money will go so much
farther than if you gave to big organization.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
She is Bernie Lake, an anti human trafficking advocate, and
she has put both her money and her life where
her mouth is, and she is to be admired. And
you can follow her on Exit Colorado Girl. That's where
I follow her. And we thank you so much for
your time, Bernie, for all the work that you've done
and for all the awareness you continue to build.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Thank you Ryan all right, and.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You can sound off yourself at five seven seven three
nine getting those texts as well, and appreciate your contributions
to the program. Kelly could share alongside Ryan shuling with you.
George Brockler still to come and let me see a
couple questions here I'll ask during the break via text
to Bernie, please ask your guests how these people obtain
these children? Are the parents selling them? If you want
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a lot more depth to the conversation that I just had.
I would again recommend that you download, subscribe and listen
to Humanity Against Tyranny.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
That's my good friend P. K. Stein Mark Stevenson.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
They went into the nitty gritty details here and they
are very dark, and Bernie was really only scratching the
surface with me.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
You kind of got the PG. Thirteen version.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's very troubling what you hear, the stories, the things
that Bernie saw, and it's it's basically just a way
of doing business. There's so much corruption overseas and a
lot of these countries so far beyond what we could
even imagine, and it goes all the way top. It's leadership,
it's government, it's the police and their bribes. It's the
(14:13):
parents who are looking to survive, and as a means
of that survival, yeah, sell their daughters from marriage to
these Arab royalty elite that come in. I mean, this
is a lot of it is very much out in
the open too, which is open corruption in these countries,
whereas in the United States it exists and don't have
(14:34):
any illusions about that, but you have to do it
under cover of darkness. And like she said, the pattern
of illegal immigration allows for that kind of black market
underworld to exist and to succeed, and it drives that
down into the tunnels underneath the country. That sort of thing,
both figurative and literal, and it's a really it's a
nasty business, and it corrupts and it violates the innocence of.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
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But those two energy and cattle ranchers, farmers here in Colorado.
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I mean, we've got to make sure we look out
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back to the texts five seven seventy three nine, did
minorities call Brooke Shields a Nazi for her gene comment
and commercial in nineteen eighty I don't remember it now Again,
I was only six. I barely understood a lot of things,
(16:20):
including that. But Kelly, what was your recollection? I don't
mean call race even being invoked or brought up.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
No, that would be a big no, not even close,
you know.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
And I took business how we've evolved.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I talked to Nick Ferguson a lot about this, and
Nick and I have become pretty close colleagues here at
KOA and khow and he was a former defensive back
for the Denver broncos he is kind of a lone
wolf in his own family, and it's hard for him
to even have conversations anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Because Nick's a freethinker.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I wouldn't say he's necessarily conservative, but he has definitely
been red pilled to a degree in a good way.
He can have some civil conversations with his dad. But
what he's telling me is he has to unwind so
many these preconceived notions and embedded stereotypes about Conservatives and Republicans.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Dan Kaplis talks about.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
This a lot and realize that the true depravity coming
from the left is this assumption that you can put
people into silos and define them by immutable characteristics that
they don't control. You're black, therefore you vote Democrat. You're LGBTQ,
therefore you vote vote Democrat. Why, well, you're in that silo. Well,
what are you doing for me? What are you doing
for me? That's the thing Nick talks about. And we
(17:29):
had a conversation about the Civil Rights Act and the
Voting Rights Act of sixty four to sixty five, signed
by Lyndon Baines Johnson, and he is fixated on that
quote that is attributed to LBJ that I cannot say
on the air, but to paraphrase, what he said is,
we'll have those black folks another word for that voting
for us for the next one hundred years.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And what LBJ calculated very cynically.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
LBJ was a skilled but extremely cynical politician.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Not a great guy, just wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But I knew how to kind of shake hands, kiss babies,
make back door deals behind closed doors, cigar filled rooms.
And he was part of these Southern Democrats that were
extremely racists, the Dixiecrats, but he was able to commandeer
a deal with the Republicans of the North. Largely that
were advancing these bills was the Republicans. Jackie Robinson was
(18:22):
a Republican. Got to repeat that. Jackie Robinson supported Richard
Nixon at one time he became disaffected with Nixon. But
you know, all of these original black pioneers were Republicans.
And again you got to ask yourself, why when you
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that song and you usually it's caused to celebrate, and
you'll hear it at the arena when your favorite sports
team is playing you want to dance around. But this
is actually central to a case that actual question who
let the dog out? Who let the dog jump a
fence and attack a toddler at her own birthday party?
And this crosses county lines as far as jurisdiction for
(20:34):
law enforcement. It's a Jeffco deputy and his claim is bizarre.
I'll let George Brockler fill in the blanks. But it
was a birthday party for a two year old. Jeffco
deputy lives next door to his neighbor in Doug Coo.
And now we've got a case based on a dog
the breed of Belgium Malanoy. George Brockler, this is bizarre.
(20:57):
Take us from the beginning and tell us from there
what happened.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Yeah, thanks for letting me talk about this one, because
I'm pretty outraged at how this thing went down and
the end result. And anyone that's heard me talk on
your show or anywhere knows you're not going to find
a DA more supportive and protective of law enforcement than
I am. But in this particular case, I'm pretty pissed
off at the way Jefferson County and their deputies have
(21:23):
responded to this. Here's what happens. Jeffco Sheriff's deputy has
a canine that he's a canine officer. The canine lives
with them, that's totally normal. The canine gets out of
its kennel in his backyard, hops over the neighbor's fence
and attacks a two year old at her two year
old birthday party by the way, with her twin two
(21:44):
year old with her. This dog bites down so hard
on her leg it breaks her femur audibly. Dad rushes
over to save his daughter's life, and of course the
dog turns and attacks him as well. Finally the dog
is pulled off.
Speaker 9 (22:01):
Right.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Well, we have a law in the state of Colorado.
It applies border to border called harboring a dangerous dog.
And it's pretty clear if you have a dog, Ryan,
I have a dog. Anybody else has a dog that
attacks and harms another human being, you're guilty of this charge.
It's not intense, not no, it's like your dog goes
and attacks and hurts someone. You're on the hook because
(22:22):
you're responsible for protecting others from your dog. However, there
is a provision of a statue that exists for the
purpose of making sure that if canine officers in the
performance of law enforcement duties are like, let's say they're
chasing down a bad guy, a rapist, a murderer, a
bank robber, and the dog gets away from them and
(22:46):
is chasing the bad guy and in the process maybe
bites the wrong person. Well, of course they should not
be prosecuted for that, right, Like that makes sense. We cause, okay,
I can understand why we do that. That's not this case.
But here's what happens. This sheriff's deputy then says, well,
you know what, I was cleaning up the dog's pee
(23:06):
in the kennel inside the house, away from the dog
somewhere else, and cleaning up pee is part of the
performance of my duties as a canine office. And here's
a contract between Jefferson County and me that says, I'm
required for five hours. I get compensated for five hours
a month to take care of this dog's fee season
(23:27):
you're in in the feeding and all this other stuff.
And based on that, I should be immune from prosecution.
How outrageous is that? But wait, because there isn't a
definition in the law. And I'm going to say yet,
because I've got proposals running in the law. Yet, Jefferson
County Sheriff pays for her two senior people in her
(23:50):
office to come and testify that that contract means that
this guy's on duty twenty four to seven and that
anything and everything he does related to that dog is
the performance of his duties and therefore anything the dog
does he's not responsible for. That's right. That means that
the attacking, mauling, breaking up the leg of this two
year old, there just aren't any criminal consequences. In fact,
(24:13):
if you play out there ridiculous theory hat this dog
killed the two year old, killed her twin, killed mom,
killed dad, hell killed anyone that tried to stop it,
this guy would say, oh, well, I was cleaning up
the pee at the time, so I'm off the hook.
And the Jefferson County Sheriff's office would.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Say, we agree.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Have you ever heard of anything more outrageous?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
It is just so strange on so many levels. And
I got a lot of questions. I'm not sure how
many I'll be able to get in. Who you're hearing, obviously,
is George Brockler, the twenty third District Attorney, and that's
Doug Co. And that's where this took place. It's a
Jeff Co deputy who happens to live in Doug Co.
And I can't help but go back to the Dukes
of Hazzard and whenever I can work those references in George,
you know, I'm going to do it. But there's Hazard
(24:59):
County and Sheriff Rusco Peat Coltrane Flash, and you know
Flash was a Bassett Hound, so he wasn't gonna hurt anybody.
But then there's Chickasaw County and I remember this, the
Duke boys that try to get to the county line
where Sheriff Edward little big Ed you know, a tall
and stature, a black Sheriff's w there and he's just
ready at the border. And the level of cooperation or
(25:20):
lack thereof, was kind of a point of humor. In
that series between Coltrane and the Chickasaw County Sheriff. Yeah,
I make that reference because there are relations when it
comes to law enforcement, when it comes to prosecution the
job that you do. I have to imagine between lawn
order in Jeffco and lawn order in doug Coe. And
if they go kind of, you know, rubbing your nose
(25:40):
in it on this not cooperating, that doesn't make for
good relations going forward.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
So who are you going to talk to?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Who can you talk to to try to resolve this
matter over in Jeffco?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
If anybody, well, I already reached out and had a
conversation with the sheriff. It was not a pleasant conversation.
It did not well, but I expressed my great frustration
and disappointment, and not only the way that one of
her sheriff's deputies is trying to avoid legal responsibilities that
you and I couldn't avoid. You and I couldn't do
(26:12):
this if our dog did the exact same thing, but
that she would then lend support to other deputies showing
up to testify, to give this guy cover so that
he could walk away from this. And you should know, man,
the jury gets instructed because of the way this law is,
it's so ill defined. The jury got instructed on that,
(26:33):
and they end up acquitting saying that we couldn't disprove
that this was in the performance of law enforcement duties,
which were required to do the way the laws right now.
When I say the way the laws right now is, man,
I got a mission here. I am going to find
me a legislator, presumably from Douglas County, and we're going
to craft Deputy Oliver's law, and that law is going
to clear up this mess so that no other two
(26:55):
year old ever has to be victimized by some careless,
reckless dog handling canine guy who then shrugs off like, oh, well,
because I was cleaning up the peeps, I was performing
law enforcement duties, which is just ridiculous and offensive. Right,
So we're going to change the law. Here's something else
that ought to happen. I'm going to ask my sheriff.
I'm going to ask my county commissioners to craft an
(27:17):
ordinance that goes out to every law enforcement agency outside
of our jurisdiction that has deputies that house these trained
killer dogs in our community and say you got to
register them. You got to register them with the sheriff's
office so we know what's in the community. And two,
you have to proactively notify everyone in your community, just
like you would with a sex offender. You've got to
(27:39):
notify everybody you have a trained killer dog on your
property so that they know that until the laws change
that if this dog gets out and kills one of
the members their family, too bad. So sad.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I mean, you couldn't fill out a mad libs and
get this result. You've got dog pee in a cannel.
You've got a canine with a police unit that a
two year old, a birthday party, a bite, a broken leg,
all of this because the dog jumped the fence. George Brockler,
twenty third District Attorney joining us here. I might recommend
Representative Brandy Bradley maybe for this task, but that's just
(28:13):
a personal recommendation.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
I'll reach out to Brandy.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, final thought here kind of along the lines what
you're just talking about George's registry.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
The dogs. You know, I have immense.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Admiration for our law enforcement like you do, but also
our canine units that these dogs, I mean, they're in
the line of fire just as well, and a lot
of them put their lives on the line and they
serve the community. And I love these dogs, and I
love dogs in general. I fancy myself a dog whisperer.
But what I'm getting at is where did the training
go wrong with this dog? And why would it still
(28:43):
be part of a canine unit if it was this
difficult to control?
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Fuddy? How about this?
Speaker 8 (28:50):
How about after this happens, the sheriffs allowed that dog
to continue to live in that dude's backyard for nine
more months?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (29:01):
Can you what is going on? This is so offensive?
I mean, look to protect and serve? Who are they
protecting and serving? And look, I'm a guy that grew
up in prosecution in Jefferson County. I grew up in
Jefferson County. I've worked with sheriff's deputies, had him in
my family, friends of mine. These are great law enforcement officers.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Men and women.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
But this thing that took place in court is an embarrassment.
And my guess is, if you had any Jeffco. Sheriff's
deputies listening, none of them are going to call up
and say no, no, We're super proud of the way
our leadership handled this mass.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And I've rarely heard you this worked up, George, and
I know it's it's it's got to come to some
kind of resolution, and I hope that you find it
and find it soon. When you have an update, let
us know follow him on exit. George Brockler, he's the
DA in the twenty third. Che brock thank you so
much for your time, and again, best of luck in
this weird case.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Weird I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
All right, gee brock right there your thoughts at five
seven seven three nine.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Like I said, nobody loves dogs more than I do.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
They gotta have your dog under control, like you said, Yeah,
you have to have a dog on your lease. You
are responsible for your dog, and unfortunately we usually see
that a lot of times it's inversely proportional. The more
dangerous the dog is, the less responsible the owners.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I'm gonna get a.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Foot ball, I'm gonna get a cane corso, I'm gonna
get a raw wiler like you need to be responsible
with those types of dogs. With that comes great responsibility.
And yeah, you're liable. And like George said, we're on
the hook. But because this guy's a sheriff's deputy, Oh,
I was clean enough some pete.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Come on, man, that's weak. That is weak sauce.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And I just don't understand, like you have to have
pride in how your police department conducts itself. I know
Sheriff Steve Raims would speak to this, and he's got
a canine you and I've talked to him about it
a little bit. But if you had a dog that
was out of order, that was out of control, I'm sorry,
you got to take it out of service minimum And
if it attacks humans, you know there's a law on
the at least back where I come from a Michigan,
(30:55):
that dog has to be put down at some point.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
You can't just have this dog going around attacking people.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Let alone standing in that same residence. We're just almost
maul the two year old.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
To death for the next nine months. It is crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
George is right five nine closing out with your text
after this on Ryan Schruling lived.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Just a good old ball never meaning it's all.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
You never saw men in trouble with the law. Certain
day they was bad some day the mountain, but alone
never weird.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Little girl for a trick, you saw deputies. I'm in
pursuit of generally.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Harks after us.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
He's tailing our.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Lookalikes, I think if I watched that scene correctly, So
I'm looking at season four, episode two, and they did
do this. Oh my goodness, I forgot this. So if
you recall, John Schneider and Tom Woolpatt were on strike
with their contracts and the production company that made The
(32:25):
Dukes of Hazzard a wildly successful TV show on CBS
from the late seventies to early mid eighties, they went
on without those two and they wrote them off like
they got no no, they got arrested somewhere else, and
Coy and.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Vance came in.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
My brother Nita and I were not big on Coy
and Vance, but they had Coy and Vance looks like
in this episode Season four, episode two, and Sheriff Little,
who I referenced in the previous segment in the interview
with George Brockler's on is chasing them from Chickasaw County
into Hazzard County.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And then they put on a disguise and when they
come out, it's Bowl Luke again. I think that's how
they wrote them back into the show. I never realized
that until I found that on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well here was that.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Well, Season four. That would have been like nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I want to say eighty Q maybe somewhere in there, Yeah,
because the first season was seventy nine, the seventy nine
eighty television season, the following.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Probably eighty three eighty four. Yeah, but what a bizarre
set of circumstances.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
He had a Jeffco Sheriff's deputy who lives in doug
Co with his canine. The dog from the canine unit
jumps the fence in doug Co neighbor's yard, nearly mauls
a two year old to death at her own birthday party,
and the dad comes to rescue it. A dog attacks
the dad as well, and then the deputy tries to
claim immunity because he was cleaning up the dog's p
(33:42):
in its kennel.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Well, there's a couple of questions I have. First of all, okay,
lot canines are supposed to be very well trained. Why
is it peeing is in the kennel?
Speaker 4 (33:51):
First of all, well, how old is it? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Secondly, if you know that your dog has is trying
to kill and you have neighbors that are having a
party next door, wouldn't you chane the dog up or
at least, you know, do something to make sure that
you don't. You're not negligent. So I don't get it.
I'm I'm George was pissed, Yes he was, and I
(34:15):
am totally for it. And I hope to God that
you know, he does find that legislature legislator from Douglas
County to you know, make that a reality, because that's
just a terrible story.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Some tax by seven seven three nine. Ryan, I am
as angry as George Brockler. If this was you or me,
our dog would be put down and we would be two.
We would be responsible for it. I'm with this text.
If I was that girl's dad, it would be a
dead dog. As much as I love them, family comes first.
What would the sheriff's office do? Then? I gotta tell you, buddy,
(34:48):
you're not supposed to fire your weapon in a neighborhood
like that. But yeah, if if I had a two
year old and there was a dog breaking her leg
through a bite, gun out, kaboom gone, not a second thought,
not a second thought. I didn't initiate it. I'm defending
my child and I would put myself in front of
any jury, especially when in doug Co where g Brock's
(35:12):
thest You think g Brock would prosecute me for that?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I'm a thinking not, No, I gotta move to doug Co.
In to it now.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I live in a rappah, Amy Patten, Oh i'd be
I'd get a life sentence.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Oh my god, you would immediately be arrested lord and
thrown in prison.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Especial with everything I've said about her on this program.
That would not play in my favor. Why am I
talking about her? Amy, You're great, she's not graty.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
She's terrible. She's terrible. She knows it too. That's the thing.
She might be hearing me, and she goes, Yeah, Ryan's
got a point. I'm pretty terrible, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
That deputy should be held responsible, held to a higher standard.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, higher standard, not a lower one. Great point.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
If he cannot meet that standard, he should seek other employment.
There's a couple of things here, Like Kelly was saying,
you're cleaning the p in the kennel, where's the dog?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Where's the dog?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
A hole?
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You're supposed to be responsible for the dog. And not
only that our sheriff's deputy.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You got an add level and layer of responsibility to
protect and serve your community from your own dog.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
What George was telling me too, I'm not sure if
you mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
The deputy had to protect his own kids from this dog.
If that dog is that far gone, I'm sorry. You
want the brightest and best, That's the theme.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Of today's program. You want the brightest and best dogs too.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
If this dog's off the reservation and cannot be trained,
cannot be controlled, then it has no business being on.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
A canine unit. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I think I'm right. You are not. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Thank you for that affirmation, that daily affirmation from Kelly
Coucerra and from all of you. Thanks for sending your
texts in our thanks to George Broncolar for joining us
to Bernie Lake as well. Dan Capp was straight ahead.
I'll be with you again tomorrow, Friday edition. Right Side
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