Christian Toto, host of the 'Hollywood In Toto' podcast and website, joins Ryan with his recap of 'Gladiator II,' starring Connie Nielsen, Paul Mescal, Pedro Pascal, and Denzel Washington, premiering in theaters nationwide on Friday.
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Pam Anderson, former Jefferson County clerk and Republican nominee for Colorado secretary of state, joins Ryan with her informed perspective on the chaos in Jena Griswold's office following the password leak controversy, and how it compares to the unethical actions of Mesa County clerk Tina Peters following her manipulation of Dominion voting systems trying to prove fraud in the 2020 election.
Ryan reveals the Friday Fool of the Week, from a list of illustrious nominees including Joe Scarborough and Brzezinski from MSNBC, Jen Psaki from that same network, and an all-time Fool of the Week legend - Sunny Hostin of The View.
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Pam Anderson, former Jefferson County clerk and Republican nominee for Colorado secretary of state, joins Ryan with her informed perspective on the chaos in Jena Griswold's office following the password leak controversy, and how it compares to the unethical actions of Mesa County clerk Tina Peters following her manipulation of Dominion voting systems trying to prove fraud in the 2020 election.
Ryan reveals the Friday Fool of the Week, from a list of illustrious nominees including Joe Scarborough and Brzezinski from MSNBC, Jen Psaki from that same network, and an all-time Fool of the Week legend - Sunny Hostin of The View.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Audiences everywhere are calling Gladiator the single greatest movie of
the year.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I put you in the ring. You fight on your guy, Rackson.
It's feruciously entertaining.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Fields are against you, fields are always against me.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
This is what movies were made for.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
They're gone.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Who amuse you? It's my only wish. I'm just here
for the games. Gladiator and only in theater's.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Friday equal Gladiator two, as directed by Ridley Scott. The
original almost a quarter century ago with Russell Crowe, and
this follows in its footsteps quite well. I saw it
the other night with our next guest, Christian Toto. You
can find online at Hollywood intoto dot com. Follow him
on X by that very handle. The film stars Paul
mescal Pedro, Pascal Denzel Washington you heard his voice there,
(01:22):
and Connie Nielsen, who a neat bit of trivia here.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I didn't know this.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
She was married to Lars Ulrich, the drummer for Metallica
and one of the co founding members from twenty four
to twenty twelve. Lay that on your friends and family
with some trivia. Christian, Welcome to Ryan Schuling Live once again.
Oh thanks for having me do you hear that promo
kind of goes old school there Coming Friday and gives
you the sixty second kind of clip. I don't know
(01:46):
that it really tells a lot about the story, and
there's a lot to tell. So as you put the
pieces together, Christian of the storytelling aspect of this by
Ridley Scott, the cast, the writing, everything involved. How well
does a dovetail off of the original for you?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
I think it's a nice extension. I will say, as
much as I enjoyed it, tiny sequel that needed to
be made, and I think that describes a lot of
movies these days. But I think if you're going to
make a sequel, you got to bring a good cast.
You gotta get really Scott behind the camera again. And
by the way, he had blieve. He's eighty six and
he he directs like a much much younger man, so
(02:21):
good for him. And of course, you know you'll lose
some megastars in Joaquin Phoenix and Russell Crowe, and then
you add Denzel Washington, so it's not an even swap.
Anything with Denzel Washington is immediately better. And I thought
he was the best part of the movie.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, he's a common thread throughout all of this. And
it's interesting because in the casting it's kind of and
Denzel Washington, but it was Denzel Washington drove the plot
in so many ways.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
But what else, whether it's his performance or something else
esthetically about the film really stood out to.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
You, Christian, Well, No, I think it's a durable kind
of story. There's a bit of lineage there. I'll say
no more about that aspect of it. I think that
the production design, the action sequences, again, the cast, they're
all top flight. Here. I didn't think it was as
good as the first one. I mean, it's tough to
top the original. I just think the story itself doesn't
(03:12):
have the heft to the gravitas of that film. And
there are some silly at sides. There are collatigators fighting
these creatures which are a monkey esque but not quite
what I've seen at the Zoo until a couple of
moments like that. A little bit of silliness along the
way here and there. But overall, I mean it's a swords,
vice sandals type of story, well told with good stars,
(03:33):
excellent action sequences, keeping your interest, you know. I think
those are the building blocks for a solid movie, a
good sequel, and no, you're not going to forget the
first one, and you probably want to watch the first
one again because it reminds you how good that one was.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
The thing that stood out to me, Christian watching this
with you in the theater, and that experience of it,
which it held my attention throughout, and it didn't feel
like as long as it really was in terms of
its total running time, which I believe is like two
and a half hours or somewhere thereabouts.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the new normal these days.
I have to say, it's feels like movies are getting
longer and longer, and I don't think that's always necessary,
but you know, a movie of this scope, it deserves
more screen time. For sure. You're a world building, You're
telling this tale that sort of a span two films
and also generations of characters. So I get that. I
(04:26):
think a film has always been it's shorter. Maybe the
older I get the more one shorter movie because I
think you can always drim away. It's like writing, you know,
you can always prone away a worder here, and I
think the finished product is a cleaner presentation. I think
the same is true with films. But again, I've seen
movies like this that are long and they drag, and
this one didn't drag it all. But it's again it
goes back to really Scott, who really is a populist filmmaker,
(04:47):
and as an older gentleman, he just seems to have
a useful vitality. You just can't tell it's an older
person behind the cameras. He's forever young, forever.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Young, like we all aspire to be, both Christian and me,
and I'm sure all of you listening as well.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So Gladiator too a worthy.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Sequel, maybe not the equal of the original, but I
agree with Christian, definitely worth seeing and I would highly
recommend seeing it in the theater. There is a lot
of violence. It is rated R, so be careful with
the kiddos. And you can find out more at Hollywood
intoto dot com, where he provides his reviews on that
and all of pop culture. Any other films opening this
weekend that jump off the page to you, Christian or no.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Yeah, it's a pretty weekend. Wicked is out in theaters now.
I always deafest this review by saying, I'm not a
movie musical person. It's not my genre of choice. I
don't think I have the guest of knowledge that I
might bring to other films. But having said all that,
I just thought it was terrific. I thought that performances
were great at Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rivo game voices.
(05:45):
You need that level of talent to bring all over
these songs, which are curse I've quickly become iconic in
the Broadway lexicon, so that's in the film's favor. I
think it looks beautiful. I think there are good comic
beats here as well, and I just thought they were late.
Here's the story. You know, this is a prequel of
the Oz saga, and it's you know, it's a prequel
(06:06):
that really has served the overall storyline very well. You know,
this is not a cash and this is not a
chief yet. This is something that we've seen in theaters
across the country and of course in Broadway. So I
think the thirty material helps everything here. I will say
that Jeff Goldblum is not a great figure, and he's
in here. I won't say how he figures into the story.
And just a quick note, this is a part one.
(06:28):
They're really not publicizing that this is a much longer presentation.
That second part of the Believe is coming out next year,
so good for that, but just know the story is
not going to end when you leave the theater.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Interesting little cliffhanger note there from Christian Toto, and that's
Wicked that he's talking about in theaters based on the
musical the prequel to The Wizard of Oz, and it
did very well on and off Broadway, and I saw
it at the Wharton Center in East Lansing, part of
the Toronto troupe that performed it there. I really enjoyed it,
and the film seems to be a faithful adaptation of that.
(06:59):
Be sure to download. I would subscribe to and listen
to his podcast simply titled Hollywood and Toto Christian Toto
our guest, and further to the point of the aftermath
of the Donald Trump win and now we're looking back,
and that was seventeen days ago, but it feels like
longer with the culture and how it's changed even in
(07:19):
that short period of time. Here's Sylvester Stallone and I
think we always knew and I refer to actors in
Hollywood and various athletes public figures that align with let's say, Christian,
myself and many of you politically as quote unquote one
of us, and I knew sly Stallone was one of us,
but he was one of those that was much quieter
about it, kind of like an Adam Sandler, who also
(07:41):
fits in that category. Well, he really pronounced his support
for Donald Trump in an epic way, as only Sylvester
Stallone could do it. In fact, I set this to
the Rocky music for my intro to the show the
other day. This is just the straight audio from it,
one minute and fifteen seconds worth.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
If you remember, the first image was the picture of
Jesus is a resurrection ac club. I found a church
that had been converted to a boxing ring, so the
image pans down from Jesus onto Rocky being hid. And
at that moment he was a chosen person. And that's
how I began the journey. Something was going to happen.
(08:19):
This man was going to go through a metamorphosis and
change lives. Just like President Trump. We are in the
presence of a really mythical character. I love mythology, and
this individual does not exist on this planet. Nobody in
(08:43):
the world could have pulled off when he pulled off,
So I'm in awe and.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I'll just say this and I mean it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
When George Washington defended his country, he had no idea
that he he was going to change the world, because
without him, you can imagine what the world would look like.
Guess what we got the second George Washington?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You rush your issues, Well, they're the same age seventy
eight years old, both born in nineteen forty six, of
Uster Stallone and Donald Trump. And Sli's doing as well
as he's ever done with this series Tulsa King, set
in one of the reddest states in America, Oklahoma. Very
forceful with his praise of Donald Trump. There a lot
(09:30):
less shy and he's not alone in this endeavor. Christian,
can you tell us more about your observations of Sylvester Stallone?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yeah, you know, like you, I suspect that he may
be leaning right over the years, but he's been very
cautious and careful, and I in heor he don't mind
that because it's not our business and he just sticks
it being a and I'm Hollywood and that's good enough.
You know, when someone like him does take a stand
comes out. Listen, we've already seen that celebrity endorses don't
mean much, and the big picture out in favor of
(10:00):
Trump in Hollywood, an industry that's so eager to cancel
people if they think the wrong way and especially if
they vote the wrong way, was really powerful. And just
days later it looks like that they're going to extend
Tulsa King for two more seasons. Is not as signed
deally yet, but they leaked in information, which is usually
very good sign So you have to worry about, Oh
(10:21):
my gosh, he's seventy eight, he's the alone. That's amazing.
But you know what if the phone stops bringing What
if Hollywood says, Okay, we've had enough of this guy,
look the way he votes. And as of now, they're
not doing that. So it does matter. But you know,
in recent months we've had Drea de Matteo from The
Sopranos and Zach Levi from Shazam. Dennis Quaid another huge
star coming out and supporting Trump. Again, it's not the endorsement,
(10:45):
it's the willingness to break through the group think that
does matter. That emboldens people and hopefully it lets them
speak their minds. But at the end of the day,
I don't care how they vote. I don't care what
they say technically, but they should be able to say
what they want to say and you know, and not
be canceled for it. If someone comes down to something horrible,
then maybe they should be canceled or something. I mean
(11:07):
just because you would, you would put you know, put
a bad face on your studio, your film, your industry.
But generally speaking, you should be able to share your
political views without fearing repercussions. And I hope they are
inching toward that day.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
And it's one thing when people like John Voight, who's
kind of been out on the right for many years. Now,
we know about Gary Sonise and friends of Abe, and
I've had those conversations with people that know him, like
Deborah Flora, Robert Davey and Randy Quaid, you know when
they come out kid Rock, et cetera. But now some
more mainstream names, like you said, Dennis Quaid coming out
(11:40):
strongly supporting Donald Trump and being unafraid to do it
as Sylvester Stallone. I mean, we're getting into the A
listers here, and the more that come out along those lines, Christian,
You've got to figure, the easier it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
For more and more to do just that.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
That's exactly right, and that's why it's important. Again. I
don't care how you vote or what you think of
Donald Trump. It needs to break through this logjam where
people don't have to be afraid. Listen. I've talked. I've
been covering this industry for over twenty years. I've talked
to many actors big and small who have said, please
don't share how I vote, how I lean, what my
views are, Please don't. They could get me in trouble.
(12:15):
That is so long and so Unamerican and so disgusting.
And I've been covering it aggressively because a more people
should and it's just flat out against what we should
be leading. And I've always been very critical of that
George Clooneys and the Tom Hanks to the world because
on some level they must know this exists within their industry,
and the fact that they never speak up for their colleagues.
(12:36):
James Woods, as an Oscar emin netted actor who hasn't
made a major film in since twenty fourteen, that's unacceptable.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Yeah, and James Wood is great, and of course one
of those voices on our side of the aisle, Christian
Tootal Hollywood Intoto dot Com joining us and a reminder
you can vote for our Friday Fool of the Week nominees.
Joe and Mika together as it should be. They went
to Marrow Lago. They took a lot of heat for
doing it, and they went on the air and explained
why Jen Saki trying to downplay the impact of transgender
(13:04):
females and girls and women's sports and spaces, and I
don't think it went over very well at all. And
speaking of which kind of touched on this the view
the reaction to the Donald Trump win. How are they
gonna handle it? How are they gonna cope? How are
they gonna seethe? And Sonny houstin she got on her
high horse. She thought she could take a shot at
Matt Gates and she took some liberties earlier this week.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
How could you nominate someone with allegations of child trafficking
across the or trafficking across state lines and having sex
with a seventeen year old my understanding. Further on in
the interview, they discussed the fact that once he finds
out that she's seventeen, he stops having sex with her.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Well interesting, Now, one of the lawyers from Ance Gates
contacted ABC, got in the producer's ear. The producer hastily
put together a statement, and Sunny houstin like a hostage video,
had to read this once cued by Whoopi Goldberg. Note
two things. You can't see her face, but it's it's
not pleasant. And she pauses for like five full beats
(14:03):
here before she gets to reading the actual statement.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
Sonny, you have a legal I do have a legal No,
thank you, whippy pause. Matt Gates has long denied all allegations,
calling the claims quote invented and saying in a statement
to ABC News that this false mir following a three
year criminal investigation should be viewed with great skepticism. That
(14:26):
DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
And because Matt Gates dropped out, she decided to take
aim at a new target, and that was Pete Hegseth
with a controversy surrounding him about an alleged affair that
happened in California at a conference in a hotel. The
woman apparently, and this is according to Megan Kelly's account
of it on her program, was at the hotel. With
her husband and kids and hooked up with Hegseth at
(14:55):
the bar, escorting him back to his room, and that
where the little rendezvous happened. Suddy Houstin got called on
on that, and she had to issue another legal correction yesterday.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
I note, I have a legal note. Matt Gates has
long denied all allegations and has not been charged with
any crime. Gates previously dismissed allegations that he paid for sex,
saying that quote, someone is trying to recategorize my generosity
to ex girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
As something more than tower.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Another legal note. Pete Hegseth's lawyer said he paid the
woman in twenty twenty three to head off the threat
of a basis lawsuit. He has denied any wrongdoing. Just
call the show legal note from now on.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Or really long music will.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Be right back.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Christian.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
We know this show is a joke and we make
fun of it all the time, you and me. It
makes for great content for this program and for what
you do. But can this show survive? I mean, this
is two in one week.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
You know I was here checking Twitter a little while
ago or ex and someone that I followed I think
is really trustworthy suggested there were three apologies. I don't know.
We've got to wow in just a few days. But yeah, listen,
at some point their comments are going to cause a
legal profuffle. There's no doubt about it. What they say
almost on a daily basis isn't just silly, embarrassing and conspiratorial,
(16:16):
it's potentially legally troublesome. You know, I'm not a legal
legal I can't know the full scope of things. But
if they're forcing her to stay, say multiple may accult
air to clarify situations, that means it's serious. And I'm
sure they were kicking and screaming behind the scenes to
show as it's currently constituted, just can't last. It is embarrassing,
(16:38):
and the fact that ABC is willing to let this
go really speaks volumes about that broadcasting institution. Nothing in
a good way, it doesn't it, don't you know? You
and I aren't just disagreeing with the hosts. Where adults
we can handle that. This is a whole different level
and it's wildly unprofessional. And that's the kindest thing I
can say about it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Christian, total Hollywood and total dim final minute, we have
left the celebrity exodus it's actually happening. It seems this
time Christian as Portia de Rossi joins Ellen DeGeneres, they
move overseas to Great Britain. We see that Rob Reiner
has checked himself into a mental health facility or just
taken some time off. Which celebrities are handling this Trump
(17:18):
victory the worst in your mind?
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Well, I have to say Rob Reiner, and you know,
I've gotten a good chuckle or twelve out of him
over the years, given his thoughts about Trump and just
raving and going over the top, it's been almost comical
to observe. And I don't think it's quite as funny anymore.
I mean, he's literally checking himself into some sort of
center something called it a facility. Yeah, it's what we've
(17:42):
seen from the media for the last several years. They're
grossly irresponsible, and you know, you know that Rob Reiner
is just getting a steady stream of all this erroneous information. Listen,
Trump was president for four years. You could like him
and you can hate him. You could say he's going
to do a great job or predict he's going to
do a terrible leader. Again, we don't know, but the
(18:03):
sense of the end of the world is near, which
has been promoted by major journalistic institutions, has really hurt
the country. And I think we're seeing it in a
way via a person like Rob Reiner, who should be
rich in stamous and still with friends and family and
still making art. I think he's in the seventies now
he's checking into a facility that's said.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
It is said. But we're gonna be happy going into
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Hollywood Intoto dot com is where you can find out
more about what we just talked about and then some
and be sure to subscribe, download and listen to his
podcast entitled Hollywood in Toto Christian Great Stuff as always,
have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I'm good, all.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Right, Pam Anderson, She's really up next. I promise this time.
I'm Ryan schuling life.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
A final question.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
This is not the first time that your office has
made mistakes that have damaged voter's confidence in our elections.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
In two your office sent.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Out mailers to thirty thousand non citizens inviting them to
register to vote.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
They, of course, are not eligible to register to vote.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
That same year, your office used Colorado's ballot tracking system
to send messages to specific Colorado's encouraging them to vote
when in fact they had already voted, causing confusion that
had to be cleaned up by the county clerks. And
now this leak of the voting system passwords. Given your
offices repeated errors that have damaged confidence in our elections,
(19:29):
which you say is paramount, will you resign?
Speaker 8 (19:34):
Absolutely not, Kyle, And I just want to lead your
unfairly characterizing and leaving out some crucial information.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
No fair, Kyle, And what gets me every time about
these cuts that I have of Jenna Griswold, who's a
disaster as Secretary of State, and that very fair question
nine news and comrade Kyle Clark laying out, you know,
everything that's gone wrong on her watch.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
The sighing Kyle, why do you have to be so mean?
It continues here. We'll just clarify this.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Then, Given the number of fundamental errors that your office
has made that have undermined voter confidence and elections, why
do you think they keep happening?
Speaker 8 (20:23):
Why do errors happen?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Kyle?
Speaker 8 (20:25):
There are unfortunately situations that arise every election that we
are fixing as quickly as possible in the counties, and
once in a while from my office too. The civil
servants in my office have largely been here through various
administrations since Scott Gessler, Wayne Williams. They're trusted civil servants.
(20:46):
They do an excellent job. You don't The job in
demand of running elections is ever evolving. It's getting harder
and harder and harder in the threat environment and in
the focus on our elections to.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Threat environment anyway. You know, I voted straight read obviously
in the twenty twenty two mid terms, and that did
not go very well for our Republican candidates. But there
were two races in particular where I go. You know,
these two have to win. One of them was John
Kellner for Attorney General against Phil Nunn, the Wiser, as
I call him, and we've seen how that's played out.
(21:20):
I mean, Kellner was just out of central casting and
he should have won that race and he didn't. And
the other one earned the endorsement the only Republican candidate
to do so from the Denver Post, and that was
the imminently qualified Pam Anderson. It joins us now here
on Ryan Schuling Live. Pam, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Hi, how are you.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I'm doing okay, but I just constantly you got to
think this too.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
How much better shape we would be in as a
state our elections would be in from your office as
Secretary of State if you were running the elections instead
of Jenna Griswold. What are your observations, from your informed
perspective about what happened with this password leak that was
on a website for several months?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, so thanks for having me on. Well, I can say,
just from a voter's perspective and from someone who's done
elections administration, I do think that the error the secretary
of State's office was a human one, and those do happen.
But what I said in my campaign, and what obviously
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the media is also saying, is that what's most concerning
is the lack of leadership and accountability with a pattern
of theirs. I do think I made the case during
the campaign that that Secretary Griswold was not an effective
(22:50):
secretary of State, had rampant turnover with the professional staff
and her appointed staff. That does damage, but errors do happen,
that's true. I do agree with that this was a
serious one, an absolutely serious one, and instead of doing
what we're all trained to do as election officials to
(23:12):
address any issue and then be transparent about it. She
did the opposite, and those types of omissions, and also,
you know, not notifying the county colerction election officials in
the middle of an election and resolving the issue as
quickly as possible. She chose to take a political route
close to the door on her executive office and say,
(23:34):
you know, if no one has found out about this,
I wouldn't have told anyone, and I think that's dishonorable.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It's a great way to put it, Pam Anderson. Our
guests wants a candidate for Secretary of State head to
head against Jenna Griswold just two years ago, and it's
unfolding in real time in the view of all of
US voters. As you kind of framed it there, Pam,
about distrust in our elections and how they are run.
And there's one thing when there's human error and that's addressed,
(24:01):
and that's nipped in the butt and it's made public
and there's transparency, that would be one thing. But then
there's intent, and then there's a cover up. And this
is what really evolved from the story. In the wake
of Kyle Clark's questioning about notifying the clerks of the
counties like Pam Anderson was one in Jeffco. These are
the two clips, The first one again from Kyle Clark,
(24:23):
about would she have notified the public or anybody else
if the GOP hadn't been the ones to discover it.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
You chosen not to tell the county clerks about this
password leak? Were you going to tell the public about
it if the Colorado Republican Party didn't go public with
it today?
Speaker 8 (24:41):
So again I'm going to push back on your gotcha premise.
We did not decide not to disclose something to county clerks.
We were actively investigating along with federal partners. We want
to try to take as measured of approaches to situations
as possible and gather good information. So along those lines,
(25:02):
we are still in an active investigation. Our course remains
as it was, is to gather information, go into the counties,
fix any issue that needs to be fixed out out
of an abundance of caution.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
That's a lie, and this was revealed to be a lie,
that they knew that something was wrong, that they chose
not to reveal it to the county clerks, And this
was contained in an audio recording, again reported by nine News.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Nine Ers Investigates got a hold of an audio recording
of Griswold's top deputy speaking to the clerks just minutes
after I talked with Griswold that day. Josh, I appreciate
that you're expressing upset, and I'm pissed off. And it's
really hard not answering media questions the way I actually
(25:50):
want to.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Will tell you.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
All I can do is be as transparent. Is like
possibly we were not going to tell.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Counties because we could not tell counties without a becoming
the media storm it has become.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
It is not the clerk there saying it's bull it's
a democratic clerk.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
We should mention not wanting this to go public and
have there be a media backlash, Pam Anderson.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Is that a good enough reason to keep that quiet?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Absolutely? Not so the Swern County clerks. I mean, you
know you can hear that this is not a partisan
jobs right. These are professionals from your own community working
to administer your constitutional rights, and they need all the
information they can have in order to.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Do that well.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And so I said this publicly security and transparent. We
don't have to be mutually exclusive. You can talk about
a security concern you have. The issue that I have
is the delay in mitigating it. The delay in mitigating
what you know and talking to those that know their
jobs was an issue, and it's just, you know, the
(27:09):
frustrating thing is uh. Local election officials work in the community,
the pole workers, the election judges, the public candace sports,
the audits. We have so many layers the security and protection.
This type of lack of leadership just you know, blows
confidence out of the water. And we continue to see
I ran against two of them in my campaign. We
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continue to see people take these positions and then use
them for their own political purposes or agendas, and in
a partisan way. And I just want to commend the
county clerks for saying and they've done this with every
secretary of eight you know, representing you know, all elections
are local, representing their constituents in an honorable way. And
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what we need is we need to see leaders step
up at the state to say this isn't okay, this
isn't okay for Colorado.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Pam Anderson our guest, and she mentioned you ran against
two of these candidates and both having very negative outcomes.
Tina Peters and Mason County is now facing a prison
sentence because of manipulation of dominion voting machines as a
means to an end to demonstrate that there was fraud.
But she got into the systems and there was a
breach there that was intentional, but she was dealt with
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in the legal system, Jenna Griswold. As it appears right now,
Pam is not facing any kind of disciplinary action. There
are no calls for her to resign from her side
of the aisle, which I think it would take that
for her to step aside. There's people like you and
me and Heidi Ganall and so many others. They say
she's got to go. How does she hold on to
her job? And how can no other Democrats right now
stand up and say, look, Jenna Griswold, she needs to resign.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Okay, I mean these are political positions, and I think
it's incredibly difficult for people to stand up against their
own tribe, even when it's right.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
I speak from experience on that, and.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I also think that there are those that have been
in a political share and you know, I've had a
few bones to pick with Heidi and her approach on
some of these elections issues that are using it to,
you know, monetize this topic in ways that are that
are unfortunate and actually create confidence issues. And I only
(29:24):
tell parts of the story. I think what you can
rely on local election officials. And I am a practicing
election official that cares about my country and cares more
about what we agree on about our constitutional rights and
what we disagree on. I think you need to hear
the full story, and both sides of hyper partisans tend
to leave out parts of the story that are inconvenient,
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and both parties should call on their members to stand
up against unethical behavior. And that's what we're seeing play
out here.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Pam.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Final question, and that is I think we need somebody
to like you running our elections. You're not a highly
partisan person. You have tremendous integrity. You've done this job,
and you've done it well without these kind of marks
on your record like we see with Peters obviously, but
Jenna Griswold all of these things happening on her watch.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Will you run again?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You know, I haven't thought about it yet. Honestly, we're
still working on this election. We just finished Audust and
now We're going on to our canvas sports, which is
an incredibly important process where the party is appoint members
who should dutifully pay attention to the legal process of
certifying the election. Congratulations to all the pool workers and
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election officials and public boards that have done their to
be honorably for this election. You know, I have to
think about that. What I definitely do know is that
Colorado should support someone that has experienced but also we'll
stand for all conoruns and not their own political career.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Well, you had my vote in both the primary and
the general election, Pam, you could count on it again,
and you're always welcome on this program. We thank you
so much for your time today.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Ryan, thanks so much, and happy Friday.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
All right, have a great weekend, Pam Anderson. There your
reaction five seven, seven, three nine, And when we come back,
we'll name our Friday fool of the week could be plural.
We got Joe and Mika visiting mar A Lago despite
calling Trump orange hitler, Jensaki downplaying transgender female participation in
girls and women's sports and spaces, and Sunny Hostin getting
(31:36):
called out not once, not twice, but according to Christian
Toto thrice to give legal statements and corrections about shots
across the Bow. She took against Matt Gates and Pete
Heggs set who will win? Send me your votes five seven, seven,
three nine, the people decide. That's all I can say.
We wrap it up on a Friday after this on
Ryan Schuling Live, oh A, I core fool for the
(31:59):
City by Fog. Thank you, Jesse, and thank you for
all your health. This week, My'm in and.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It's time for our Fool of the Week.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
The votes came in fast and furious and predictably. I
think she's the raining heavyweight champion of the world and
a frequent nominee. She got corrected not twice, but thrice.
It's hard to avoid another Sonny hostin win. She thought
she was getting in on Matt Gates. Little did she know.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
How could you nominate someone with allegations of child trafficking
across the or trafficking across state lines and having sex
with a seventeen year old my understanding.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Further on in the.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Interview, they discussed the fact that once he finds out
that she's seventeen, he stops having sex with her.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Producers started having conversations with Sonny Houstin during the break
got in her ear and said, you got to read this.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
We wrote it for you. We're gonna get sued.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Sonny, you have a legal I do have a legal No,
thank you, Whippy.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Matt Gates has.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Long denied all allegations, calling claim invented and saying in
a statement to ABC News that this false near following
a three year criminal investigation should be viewed with great skepticism.
That DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
And when they came back the next day, Sunny Haustin
went after Gates again, and then Pete hegset two and
then she had to do this note.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I have a legal note.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Matt Gates has long denied all allegations and has not
been charged with any crime. Gates previously dismissed allegations that
he paid for sex, saying that quote, someone is trying
to recategorize my generosity to ex girlfriends by something more
than toward another legal note. Pete Hegseth's lawyer said he
paid the woman in twenty twenty three to head off
(33:45):
the threat of a basis lawsuit. He has denied any wrongdoing,
just call the show legal note from now on.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Or really long music. We'll be right back. It really
needs to be cancelled. They're done right. We can't go
on like this. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
We'll find out Monday. I'll join you then on Ryan
Schuing Life. I have a great weekend, everybody,
This Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Audiences everywhere are calling Gladiator the single greatest movie of
the year.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I put you in the ring. You fight on your guy, Rackson.
It's feruciously entertaining.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Fields are against you, fields are always against me.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
This is what movies were made for.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
They're gone.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Who amuse you? It's my only wish. I'm just here
for the games. Gladiator and only in theater's.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Friday equal Gladiator two, as directed by Ridley Scott. The
original almost a quarter century ago with Russell Crowe, and
this follows in its footsteps quite well. I saw it
the other night with our next guest, Christian Toto. You
can find online at Hollywood intoto dot com. Follow him
on X by that very handle. The film stars Paul
mescal Pedro, Pascal Denzel Washington you heard his voice there,
(01:22):
and Connie Nielsen, who a neat bit of trivia here.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I didn't know this.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
She was married to Lars Ulrich, the drummer for Metallica
and one of the co founding members from twenty four
to twenty twelve. Lay that on your friends and family
with some trivia. Christian, Welcome to Ryan Schuling Live once again.
Oh thanks for having me do you hear that promo
kind of goes old school there Coming Friday and gives
you the sixty second kind of clip. I don't know
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that it really tells a lot about the story, and
there's a lot to tell. So as you put the
pieces together, Christian of the storytelling aspect of this by
Ridley Scott, the cast, the writing, everything involved. How well
does a dovetail off of the original for you?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
I think it's a nice extension. I will say, as
much as I enjoyed it, tiny sequel that needed to
be made, and I think that describes a lot of
movies these days. But I think if you're going to
make a sequel, you got to bring a good cast.
You gotta get really Scott behind the camera again. And
by the way, he had blieve. He's eighty six and
he he directs like a much much younger man, so
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good for him. And of course, you know you'll lose
some megastars in Joaquin Phoenix and Russell Crowe, and then
you add Denzel Washington, so it's not an even swap.
Anything with Denzel Washington is immediately better. And I thought
he was the best part of the movie.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, he's a common thread throughout all of this. And
it's interesting because in the casting it's kind of and
Denzel Washington, but it was Denzel Washington drove the plot
in so many ways.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
But what else, whether it's his performance or something else
esthetically about the film really stood out to.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
You, Christian, Well, No, I think it's a durable kind
of story. There's a bit of lineage there. I'll say
no more about that aspect of it. I think that
the production design, the action sequences, again, the cast, they're
all top flight. Here. I didn't think it was as
good as the first one. I mean, it's tough to
top the original. I just think the story itself doesn't
(03:12):
have the heft to the gravitas of that film. And
there are some silly at sides. There are collatigators fighting
these creatures which are a monkey esque but not quite
what I've seen at the Zoo until a couple of
moments like that. A little bit of silliness along the
way here and there. But overall, I mean it's a swords,
vice sandals type of story, well told with good stars,
(03:33):
excellent action sequences, keeping your interest, you know. I think
those are the building blocks for a solid movie, a
good sequel, and no, you're not going to forget the
first one, and you probably want to watch the first
one again because it reminds you how good that one was.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
The thing that stood out to me, Christian watching this
with you in the theater, and that experience of it,
which it held my attention throughout, and it didn't feel
like as long as it really was in terms of
its total running time, which I believe is like two
and a half hours or somewhere thereabouts.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the new normal these days.
I have to say, it's feels like movies are getting
longer and longer, and I don't think that's always necessary,
but you know, a movie of this scope, it deserves
more screen time. For sure. You're a world building, You're
telling this tale that sort of a span two films
and also generations of characters. So I get that. I
(04:26):
think a film has always been it's shorter. Maybe the
older I get the more one shorter movie because I
think you can always drim away. It's like writing, you know,
you can always prone away a worder here, and I
think the finished product is a cleaner presentation. I think
the same is true with films. But again, I've seen
movies like this that are long and they drag, and
this one didn't drag it all. But it's again it
goes back to really Scott, who really is a populist filmmaker,
(04:47):
and as an older gentleman, he just seems to have
a useful vitality. You just can't tell it's an older
person behind the cameras. He's forever young, forever.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Young, like we all aspire to be, both Christian and me,
and I'm sure all of you listening as well.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So Gladiator too a worthy.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Sequel, maybe not the equal of the original, but I
agree with Christian, definitely worth seeing and I would highly
recommend seeing it in the theater. There is a lot
of violence. It is rated R, so be careful with
the kiddos. And you can find out more at Hollywood
intoto dot com, where he provides his reviews on that
and all of pop culture. Any other films opening this
weekend that jump off the page to you, Christian or no.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Yeah, it's a pretty weekend. Wicked is out in theaters now.
I always deafest this review by saying, I'm not a
movie musical person. It's not my genre of choice. I
don't think I have the guest of knowledge that I
might bring to other films. But having said all that,
I just thought it was terrific. I thought that performances
were great at Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rivo game voices.
(05:45):
You need that level of talent to bring all over
these songs, which are curse I've quickly become iconic in
the Broadway lexicon, so that's in the film's favor. I
think it looks beautiful. I think there are good comic
beats here as well, and I just thought they were late.
Here's the story. You know, this is a prequel of
the Oz saga, and it's you know, it's a prequel
(06:06):
that really has served the overall storyline very well. You know,
this is not a cash and this is not a
chief yet. This is something that we've seen in theaters
across the country and of course in Broadway. So I
think the thirty material helps everything here. I will say
that Jeff Goldblum is not a great figure, and he's
in here. I won't say how he figures into the story.
And just a quick note, this is a part one.
(06:28):
They're really not publicizing that this is a much longer presentation.
That second part of the Believe is coming out next year,
so good for that, but just know the story is
not going to end when you leave the theater.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Interesting little cliffhanger note there from Christian Toto, and that's
Wicked that he's talking about in theaters based on the
musical the prequel to The Wizard of Oz, and it
did very well on and off Broadway, and I saw
it at the Wharton Center in East Lansing, part of
the Toronto troupe that performed it there. I really enjoyed it,
and the film seems to be a faithful adaptation of that.
(06:59):
Be sure to download. I would subscribe to and listen
to his podcast simply titled Hollywood and Toto Christian Toto
our guest, and further to the point of the aftermath
of the Donald Trump win and now we're looking back,
and that was seventeen days ago, but it feels like
longer with the culture and how it's changed even in
(07:19):
that short period of time. Here's Sylvester Stallone and I
think we always knew and I refer to actors in
Hollywood and various athletes public figures that align with let's say, Christian,
myself and many of you politically as quote unquote one
of us, and I knew sly Stallone was one of us,
but he was one of those that was much quieter
about it, kind of like an Adam Sandler, who also
(07:41):
fits in that category. Well, he really pronounced his support
for Donald Trump in an epic way, as only Sylvester
Stallone could do it. In fact, I set this to
the Rocky music for my intro to the show the
other day. This is just the straight audio from it,
one minute and fifteen seconds worth.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
If you remember, the first image was the picture of
Jesus is a resurrection ac club. I found a church
that had been converted to a boxing ring, so the
image pans down from Jesus onto Rocky being hid. And
at that moment he was a chosen person. And that's
how I began the journey. Something was going to happen.
(08:19):
This man was going to go through a metamorphosis and
change lives. Just like President Trump. We are in the
presence of a really mythical character. I love mythology, and
this individual does not exist on this planet. Nobody in
(08:43):
the world could have pulled off when he pulled off,
So I'm in awe and.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I'll just say this and I mean it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
When George Washington defended his country, he had no idea
that he he was going to change the world, because
without him, you can imagine what the world would look like.
Guess what we got the second George Washington?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You rush your issues, Well, they're the same age seventy
eight years old, both born in nineteen forty six, of
Uster Stallone and Donald Trump. And Sli's doing as well
as he's ever done with this series Tulsa King, set
in one of the reddest states in America, Oklahoma. Very
forceful with his praise of Donald Trump. There a lot
(09:30):
less shy and he's not alone in this endeavor. Christian,
can you tell us more about your observations of Sylvester Stallone?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yeah, you know, like you, I suspect that he may
be leaning right over the years, but he's been very
cautious and careful, and I in heor he don't mind
that because it's not our business and he just sticks
it being a and I'm Hollywood and that's good enough.
You know, when someone like him does take a stand
comes out. Listen, we've already seen that celebrity endorses don't
mean much, and the big picture out in favor of
(10:00):
Trump in Hollywood, an industry that's so eager to cancel
people if they think the wrong way and especially if
they vote the wrong way, was really powerful. And just
days later it looks like that they're going to extend
Tulsa King for two more seasons. Is not as signed
deally yet, but they leaked in information, which is usually
very good sign So you have to worry about, Oh
(10:21):
my gosh, he's seventy eight, he's the alone. That's amazing.
But you know what if the phone stops bringing What
if Hollywood says, Okay, we've had enough of this guy,
look the way he votes. And as of now, they're
not doing that. So it does matter. But you know,
in recent months we've had Drea de Matteo from The
Sopranos and Zach Levi from Shazam. Dennis Quaid another huge
star coming out and supporting Trump. Again, it's not the endorsement,
(10:45):
it's the willingness to break through the group think that
does matter. That emboldens people and hopefully it lets them
speak their minds. But at the end of the day,
I don't care how they vote. I don't care what
they say technically, but they should be able to say
what they want to say and you know, and not
be canceled for it. If someone comes down to something horrible,
then maybe they should be canceled or something. I mean
(11:07):
just because you would, you would put you know, put
a bad face on your studio, your film, your industry.
But generally speaking, you should be able to share your
political views without fearing repercussions. And I hope they are
inching toward that day.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
And it's one thing when people like John Voight, who's
kind of been out on the right for many years. Now,
we know about Gary Sonise and friends of Abe, and
I've had those conversations with people that know him, like
Deborah Flora, Robert Davey and Randy Quaid, you know when
they come out kid Rock, et cetera. But now some
more mainstream names, like you said, Dennis Quaid coming out
(11:40):
strongly supporting Donald Trump and being unafraid to do it
as Sylvester Stallone. I mean, we're getting into the A
listers here, and the more that come out along those lines, Christian,
You've got to figure, the easier it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
For more and more to do just that.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
That's exactly right, and that's why it's important. Again. I
don't care how you vote or what you think of
Donald Trump. It needs to break through this logjam where
people don't have to be afraid. Listen. I've talked. I've
been covering this industry for over twenty years. I've talked
to many actors big and small who have said, please
don't share how I vote, how I lean, what my
views are, Please don't. They could get me in trouble.
(12:15):
That is so long and so Unamerican and so disgusting.
And I've been covering it aggressively because a more people
should and it's just flat out against what we should
be leading. And I've always been very critical of that
George Clooneys and the Tom Hanks to the world because
on some level they must know this exists within their industry,
and the fact that they never speak up for their colleagues.
(12:36):
James Woods, as an Oscar emin netted actor who hasn't
made a major film in since twenty fourteen, that's unacceptable.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Yeah, and James Wood is great, and of course one
of those voices on our side of the aisle, Christian
Tootal Hollywood Intoto dot Com joining us and a reminder
you can vote for our Friday Fool of the Week nominees.
Joe and Mika together as it should be. They went
to Marrow Lago. They took a lot of heat for
doing it, and they went on the air and explained
why Jen Saki trying to downplay the impact of transgender
(13:04):
females and girls and women's sports and spaces, and I
don't think it went over very well at all. And
speaking of which kind of touched on this the view
the reaction to the Donald Trump win. How are they
gonna handle it? How are they gonna cope? How are
they gonna seethe? And Sonny houstin she got on her
high horse. She thought she could take a shot at
Matt Gates and she took some liberties earlier this week.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
How could you nominate someone with allegations of child trafficking
across the or trafficking across state lines and having sex
with a seventeen year old my understanding. Further on in
the interview, they discussed the fact that once he finds
out that she's seventeen, he stops having sex with her.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Well interesting, Now, one of the lawyers from Ance Gates
contacted ABC, got in the producer's ear. The producer hastily
put together a statement, and Sunny houstin like a hostage video,
had to read this once cued by Whoopi Goldberg. Note
two things. You can't see her face, but it's it's
not pleasant. And she pauses for like five full beats
(14:03):
here before she gets to reading the actual statement.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
Sonny, you have a legal I do have a legal No,
thank you, whippy pause. Matt Gates has long denied all allegations,
calling the claims quote invented and saying in a statement
to ABC News that this false mir following a three
year criminal investigation should be viewed with great skepticism. That
(14:26):
DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
And because Matt Gates dropped out, she decided to take
aim at a new target, and that was Pete Hegseth
with a controversy surrounding him about an alleged affair that
happened in California at a conference in a hotel. The
woman apparently, and this is according to Megan Kelly's account
of it on her program, was at the hotel. With
her husband and kids and hooked up with Hegseth at
(14:55):
the bar, escorting him back to his room, and that
where the little rendezvous happened. Suddy Houstin got called on
on that, and she had to issue another legal correction yesterday.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
I note, I have a legal note. Matt Gates has
long denied all allegations and has not been charged with
any crime. Gates previously dismissed allegations that he paid for sex,
saying that quote, someone is trying to recategorize my generosity
to ex girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
As something more than tower.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Another legal note. Pete Hegseth's lawyer said he paid the
woman in twenty twenty three to head off the threat
of a basis lawsuit. He has denied any wrongdoing. Just
call the show legal note from now on.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Or really long music will.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Be right back.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Christian.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
We know this show is a joke and we make
fun of it all the time, you and me. It
makes for great content for this program and for what
you do. But can this show survive? I mean, this
is two in one week.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
You know I was here checking Twitter a little while
ago or ex and someone that I followed I think
is really trustworthy suggested there were three apologies. I don't know.
We've got to wow in just a few days. But yeah, listen,
at some point their comments are going to cause a
legal profuffle. There's no doubt about it. What they say
almost on a daily basis isn't just silly, embarrassing and conspiratorial,
(16:16):
it's potentially legally troublesome. You know, I'm not a legal
legal I can't know the full scope of things. But
if they're forcing her to stay, say multiple may accult
air to clarify situations, that means it's serious. And I'm
sure they were kicking and screaming behind the scenes to
show as it's currently constituted, just can't last. It is embarrassing,
(16:38):
and the fact that ABC is willing to let this
go really speaks volumes about that broadcasting institution. Nothing in
a good way, it doesn't it, don't you know? You
and I aren't just disagreeing with the hosts. Where adults
we can handle that. This is a whole different level
and it's wildly unprofessional. And that's the kindest thing I
can say about it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Christian, total Hollywood and total dim final minute, we have
left the celebrity exodus it's actually happening. It seems this
time Christian as Portia de Rossi joins Ellen DeGeneres, they
move overseas to Great Britain. We see that Rob Reiner
has checked himself into a mental health facility or just
taken some time off. Which celebrities are handling this Trump
(17:18):
victory the worst in your mind?
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Well, I have to say Rob Reiner, and you know,
I've gotten a good chuckle or twelve out of him
over the years, given his thoughts about Trump and just
raving and going over the top, it's been almost comical
to observe. And I don't think it's quite as funny anymore.
I mean, he's literally checking himself into some sort of
center something called it a facility. Yeah, it's what we've
(17:42):
seen from the media for the last several years. They're
grossly irresponsible, and you know, you know that Rob Reiner
is just getting a steady stream of all this erroneous information. Listen,
Trump was president for four years. You could like him
and you can hate him. You could say he's going
to do a great job or predict he's going to
do a terrible leader. Again, we don't know, but the
(18:03):
sense of the end of the world is near, which
has been promoted by major journalistic institutions, has really hurt
the country. And I think we're seeing it in a
way via a person like Rob Reiner, who should be
rich in stamous and still with friends and family and
still making art. I think he's in the seventies now
he's checking into a facility that's said.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
It is said. But we're gonna be happy going into
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
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have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I'm good, all.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Right, Pam Anderson, She's really up next. I promise this time.
I'm Ryan schuling life.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
A final question.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
This is not the first time that your office has
made mistakes that have damaged voter's confidence in our elections.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
In two your office sent.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Out mailers to thirty thousand non citizens inviting them to
register to vote.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
They, of course, are not eligible to register to vote.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
That same year, your office used Colorado's ballot tracking system
to send messages to specific Colorado's encouraging them to vote
when in fact they had already voted, causing confusion that
had to be cleaned up by the county clerks. And
now this leak of the voting system passwords. Given your
offices repeated errors that have damaged confidence in our elections,
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which you say is paramount, will you resign?
Speaker 8 (19:34):
Absolutely not, Kyle, And I just want to lead your
unfairly characterizing and leaving out some crucial information.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
No fair, Kyle, And what gets me every time about
these cuts that I have of Jenna Griswold, who's a
disaster as Secretary of State, and that very fair question
nine news and comrade Kyle Clark laying out, you know,
everything that's gone wrong on her watch.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
The sighing Kyle, why do you have to be so mean?
It continues here. We'll just clarify this.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Then, Given the number of fundamental errors that your office
has made that have undermined voter confidence and elections, why
do you think they keep happening?
Speaker 8 (20:23):
Why do errors happen?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Kyle?
Speaker 8 (20:25):
There are unfortunately situations that arise every election that we
are fixing as quickly as possible in the counties, and
once in a while from my office too. The civil
servants in my office have largely been here through various
administrations since Scott Gessler, Wayne Williams. They're trusted civil servants.
(20:46):
They do an excellent job. You don't The job in
demand of running elections is ever evolving. It's getting harder
and harder and harder in the threat environment and in
the focus on our elections to.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Threat environment anyway. You know, I voted straight read obviously
in the twenty twenty two mid terms, and that did
not go very well for our Republican candidates. But there
were two races in particular where I go. You know,
these two have to win. One of them was John
Kellner for Attorney General against Phil Nunn, the Wiser, as
I call him, and we've seen how that's played out.
(21:20):
I mean, Kellner was just out of central casting and
he should have won that race and he didn't. And
the other one earned the endorsement the only Republican candidate
to do so from the Denver Post, and that was
the imminently qualified Pam Anderson. It joins us now here
on Ryan Schuling Live. Pam, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Hi, how are you.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I'm doing okay, but I just constantly you got to
think this too.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
How much better shape we would be in as a
state our elections would be in from your office as
Secretary of State if you were running the elections instead
of Jenna Griswold. What are your observations, from your informed
perspective about what happened with this password leak that was
on a website for several months?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, so thanks for having me on. Well, I can say,
just from a voter's perspective and from someone who's done
elections administration, I do think that the error the secretary
of State's office was a human one, and those do happen.
But what I said in my campaign, and what obviously
(22:28):
the media is also saying, is that what's most concerning
is the lack of leadership and accountability with a pattern
of theirs. I do think I made the case during
the campaign that that Secretary Griswold was not an effective
(22:50):
secretary of State, had rampant turnover with the professional staff
and her appointed staff. That does damage, but errors do happen,
that's true. I do agree with that this was a
serious one, an absolutely serious one, and instead of doing
what we're all trained to do as election officials to
(23:12):
address any issue and then be transparent about it. She
did the opposite, and those types of omissions, and also,
you know, not notifying the county colerction election officials in
the middle of an election and resolving the issue as
quickly as possible. She chose to take a political route
close to the door on her executive office and say,
(23:34):
you know, if no one has found out about this,
I wouldn't have told anyone, and I think that's dishonorable.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It's a great way to put it, Pam Anderson. Our
guests wants a candidate for Secretary of State head to
head against Jenna Griswold just two years ago, and it's
unfolding in real time in the view of all of
US voters. As you kind of framed it there, Pam,
about distrust in our elections and how they are run.
And there's one thing when there's human error and that's addressed,
(24:01):
and that's nipped in the butt and it's made public
and there's transparency, that would be one thing. But then
there's intent, and then there's a cover up. And this
is what really evolved from the story. In the wake
of Kyle Clark's questioning about notifying the clerks of the
counties like Pam Anderson was one in Jeffco. These are
the two clips, The first one again from Kyle Clark,
(24:23):
about would she have notified the public or anybody else
if the GOP hadn't been the ones to discover it.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
You chosen not to tell the county clerks about this
password leak? Were you going to tell the public about
it if the Colorado Republican Party didn't go public with
it today?
Speaker 8 (24:41):
So again I'm going to push back on your gotcha premise.
We did not decide not to disclose something to county clerks.
We were actively investigating along with federal partners. We want
to try to take as measured of approaches to situations
as possible and gather good information. So along those lines,
(25:02):
we are still in an active investigation. Our course remains
as it was, is to gather information, go into the counties,
fix any issue that needs to be fixed out out
of an abundance of caution.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
That's a lie, and this was revealed to be a lie,
that they knew that something was wrong, that they chose
not to reveal it to the county clerks, And this
was contained in an audio recording, again reported by nine News.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Nine Ers Investigates got a hold of an audio recording
of Griswold's top deputy speaking to the clerks just minutes
after I talked with Griswold that day. Josh, I appreciate
that you're expressing upset, and I'm pissed off. And it's
really hard not answering media questions the way I actually
(25:50):
want to.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Will tell you.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
All I can do is be as transparent. Is like
possibly we were not going to tell.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Counties because we could not tell counties without a becoming
the media storm it has become.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
It is not the clerk there saying it's bull it's
a democratic clerk.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
We should mention not wanting this to go public and
have there be a media backlash, Pam Anderson.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Is that a good enough reason to keep that quiet?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Absolutely? Not so the Swern County clerks. I mean, you
know you can hear that this is not a partisan
jobs right. These are professionals from your own community working
to administer your constitutional rights, and they need all the
information they can have in order to.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Do that well.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And so I said this publicly security and transparent. We
don't have to be mutually exclusive. You can talk about
a security concern you have. The issue that I have
is the delay in mitigating it. The delay in mitigating
what you know and talking to those that know their
jobs was an issue, and it's just, you know, the
(27:09):
frustrating thing is uh. Local election officials work in the community,
the pole workers, the election judges, the public candace sports,
the audits. We have so many layers the security and protection.
This type of lack of leadership just you know, blows
confidence out of the water. And we continue to see
I ran against two of them in my campaign. We
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continue to see people take these positions and then use
them for their own political purposes or agendas, and in
a partisan way. And I just want to commend the
county clerks for saying and they've done this with every
secretary of eight you know, representing you know, all elections
are local, representing their constituents in an honorable way. And
(27:53):
what we need is we need to see leaders step
up at the state to say this isn't okay, this
isn't okay for Colorado.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Pam Anderson our guest, and she mentioned you ran against
two of these candidates and both having very negative outcomes.
Tina Peters and Mason County is now facing a prison
sentence because of manipulation of dominion voting machines as a
means to an end to demonstrate that there was fraud.
But she got into the systems and there was a
breach there that was intentional, but she was dealt with
(28:26):
in the legal system, Jenna Griswold. As it appears right now,
Pam is not facing any kind of disciplinary action. There
are no calls for her to resign from her side
of the aisle, which I think it would take that
for her to step aside. There's people like you and
me and Heidi Ganall and so many others. They say
she's got to go. How does she hold on to
her job? And how can no other Democrats right now
stand up and say, look, Jenna Griswold, she needs to resign.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Okay, I mean these are political positions, and I think
it's incredibly difficult for people to stand up against their
own tribe, even when it's right.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
I speak from experience on that, and.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I also think that there are those that have been
in a political share and you know, I've had a
few bones to pick with Heidi and her approach on
some of these elections issues that are using it to,
you know, monetize this topic in ways that are that
are unfortunate and actually create confidence issues. And I only
(29:24):
tell parts of the story. I think what you can
rely on local election officials. And I am a practicing
election official that cares about my country and cares more
about what we agree on about our constitutional rights and
what we disagree on. I think you need to hear
the full story, and both sides of hyper partisans tend
to leave out parts of the story that are inconvenient,
(29:46):
and both parties should call on their members to stand
up against unethical behavior. And that's what we're seeing play
out here.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Pam.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Final question, and that is I think we need somebody
to like you running our elections. You're not a highly
partisan person. You have tremendous integrity. You've done this job,
and you've done it well without these kind of marks
on your record like we see with Peters obviously, but
Jenna Griswold all of these things happening on her watch.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Will you run again?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You know, I haven't thought about it yet. Honestly, we're
still working on this election. We just finished Audust and
now We're going on to our canvas sports, which is
an incredibly important process where the party is appoint members
who should dutifully pay attention to the legal process of
certifying the election. Congratulations to all the pool workers and
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election officials and public boards that have done their to
be honorably for this election. You know, I have to
think about that. What I definitely do know is that
Colorado should support someone that has experienced but also we'll
stand for all conoruns and not their own political career.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Well, you had my vote in both the primary and
the general election, Pam, you could count on it again,
and you're always welcome on this program. We thank you
so much for your time today.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Ryan, thanks so much, and happy Friday.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
All right, have a great weekend, Pam Anderson. There your
reaction five seven, seven, three nine, And when we come back,
we'll name our Friday fool of the week could be plural.
We got Joe and Mika visiting mar A Lago despite
calling Trump orange hitler, Jensaki downplaying transgender female participation in
girls and women's sports and spaces, and Sunny Hostin getting
(31:36):
called out not once, not twice, but according to Christian
Toto thrice to give legal statements and corrections about shots
across the Bow. She took against Matt Gates and Pete
Heggs set who will win? Send me your votes five seven, seven,
three nine, the people decide. That's all I can say.
We wrap it up on a Friday after this on
Ryan Schuling Live, oh A, I core fool for the
(31:59):
City by Fog. Thank you, Jesse, and thank you for
all your health. This week, My'm in and.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It's time for our Fool of the Week.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
The votes came in fast and furious and predictably. I
think she's the raining heavyweight champion of the world and
a frequent nominee. She got corrected not twice, but thrice.
It's hard to avoid another Sonny hostin win. She thought
she was getting in on Matt Gates. Little did she know.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
How could you nominate someone with allegations of child trafficking
across the or trafficking across state lines and having sex
with a seventeen year old my understanding.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Further on in the.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Interview, they discussed the fact that once he finds out
that she's seventeen, he stops having sex with her.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Producers started having conversations with Sonny Houstin during the break
got in her ear and said, you got to read this.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
We wrote it for you. We're gonna get sued.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Sonny, you have a legal I do have a legal No,
thank you, Whippy.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Matt Gates has.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Long denied all allegations, calling claim invented and saying in
a statement to ABC News that this false near following
a three year criminal investigation should be viewed with great skepticism.
That DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
And when they came back the next day, Sunny Haustin
went after Gates again, and then Pete hegset two and
then she had to do this note.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I have a legal note.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Matt Gates has long denied all allegations and has not
been charged with any crime. Gates previously dismissed allegations that
he paid for sex, saying that quote, someone is trying
to recategorize my generosity to ex girlfriends by something more
than toward another legal note. Pete Hegseth's lawyer said he
paid the woman in twenty twenty three to head off
(33:45):
the threat of a basis lawsuit. He has denied any wrongdoing,
just call the show legal note from now on.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Or really long music. We'll be right back. It really
needs to be cancelled. They're done right. We can't go
on like this. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
We'll find out Monday. I'll join you then on Ryan
Schuing Life. I have a great weekend, everybody,
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