September 8, 2025 • 32 mins
In the first hour of today's show, Deborah Flora talks about America's mental health crisis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Ryan Sholing Show. This is Deborah Flora.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Very happy to be sitting again for my friend Ryan Sholing.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I was off on Friday because.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm trying to channel my inner Ryan Sholing today. Just
so you know what I mean by that is he
normally wears the gear of his favorite sports team, and
as I shared on Thursday, we went to Iowa this
week to watch our son's first start in college football.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
He's a wide receiver, so I am wearing all of that.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Gear to celebrate the sixty six seven win for the
team that our son plays on.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So there you go. That is probably you know.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I think Ryan and I have a few other things
in common, but we always have a different tenor to
our voice, so I know you know. This is Deborah
Flora sitting in for Ryan Sholing. Hope that you had
a wonderful weekend as well. Want to just let you
know also if you missed any of the shows that
I guest hosted Tuesday or Thursday, definitely listen to the podcast.
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Particularly Thursday. We and Mark oz Geist on the show.
He's a Ben Ghazzi hero from Thirteen Hours who is
also has had a long law enforcement history in his
native state here in Colorado, and much of what his
career has been has been about stopping crimes against children.
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Definitely want to hear that you from Thursday as he is,
he is now the proponent of a ballad initiative, and
I'm also wanting to invite you because this Wednesday, I'll
be moderating a panel with Mark Ozgeist, with Aaron Lee
and Jen Say of XXXY Clothing Company Athletics, because we're
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going to have all of them for Douglas County citizenry
talking about these ballad initiatives and how you can support them.
That will be this coming Wednesday, six thirty pm at
rock Bottom Brewery and Loan Tree.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You can also see it on my.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Facebook page or Twitter. Twitter is Deborah Flora one and face.
This book is just Debrah Flora. Pretty easy to find.
So anyway, great to be joining you again today. So
much to talk about.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
If you were listening.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Last week, one of the things that we were talking
about was the erosion of trust in some of our
country's institutions.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Now, when I talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
The legacy media or the progressive media, I do not
do this with any joy at how little confidence people
put in that institution, because the minute we stop having
a media that we can trust and believe in and
feel like it is really give us the full information,
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the more our.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Country gets undermined.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We shared some facts last week at Gallup poll showing
that thirty one percent, only thirty one percent of Americans
express confidence that reporting is accurate and fair. Now this
breakdown breaks down even more when you look at it
by left of center or right of center. Fifty four
percent of Democrats trust the media, only twelve percent of Republicans.
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And I'm going to share a couple of stories of
why I think that is and why encourage listeners last
week and when I've been guest hosting on other shows
and even my own shows, do your own homework. Being
a citizen requires now greater effort on your part than
ever before, because unfortunately we don't have a media from
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all the president's men that are digging in and holding
government accountable. And by the way, I want them to
hold government accountable, whether or not it is a Republican
or a Democrat, whether it is a progressive policy or
a conservative policy. I want I want that true and
fairy pointing why Because I actually believe citizens have the
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right to have the full information and situations and then
make their own decisions. Firm believer of what our founding
fathers said, which is the key to a free society
is a well educated citizenry. That's why the group that
we're going to have this event on Wednesday is called
Douglas County Citizenry, not right or US or left or
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US or whatever else like that. Truth should be truth
and we should all be able, by the way, to
agree on basic facts, which is also part of the problem.
We used the case study last week of the Trump
is Dead false news that went absolutely viral, millions of
views and reposts and hashtags on x, Reddit, YouTube, and
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blue Sky and how that's problematic because.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Depends on where you get your news.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And I put that in air quote news from here
is another case study.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And you may have just begun.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
To really hear about this because the video was finally released.
This is the case study of the brutal stabbing murder
in Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's really horrific. It was released over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But here is what I want to bring up about
this case study. This attack happened August twenty second, basically
two weeks ago, over two weeks ago. That's when this
stabbing happened. And if you've not heard about it, it
was a young twenty three year old Ukrainian refugee, Rina Zurutska.
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She was sitting on the mass transit in Charlotte. There
have been many calls by citizens for greater security and
public safety. She took her seat on a light rail
train immediately, as so many of us would, picked up
her phone and started looking at it until a horrific
moment when the person sitting behind her stood up after
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just a few moments and brutally murdered her with a knife,
a stabbing attack. When it was over, he just walked
off the train. I mean, it's pretty horrendous. And I
got to tell you, as a mom of some kids
who are in their twenties, now there are days of
ever considering writing math trendsit right now are done. They're
done because there is not the security that's needed. But
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here is the point. Why didn't any of us hear
more about this? Now?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I've got to give a shout out.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Fox News covered it just a couple of days afterwards,
and this is one of the points that I made
last week.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And by the way, I want to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Please text in at five seven seven three nine, start
with the word Ryan so it gets channeled to me
Ryan five seven seven three nine. I want to know
where you get your media from. Had you heard about
this prior to this weekend? Because while Fox News covered
it a couple of days after the event, here's where
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there was stunning silence until this.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Video got released two weeks after.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Never heard anything from ABC, CBS, NBC, all which have
nightly news broadcasts. Also CNN and MSNBC twenty four to
seven news coverage. They never aired this story. One of
the things I asked last week is and one of
the things I encouraged, get alerts from both sides of
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the political well that shouldn't be political, but the news
media outlets.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I'm using that in air.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Quotes because news is questionable anymore, whether or not whether
or not it means journalistic integrity. But get alerts from
both I do. I get it from Fox and CNN.
I get it from Washington Post and Washington Examiner. Get
it from Wall Street Journal and Epic Times, Free Press,
many others. Because you're gonna find out all the things
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that are not getting covered by the mainstream media.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So let's look at why. Let's look at this.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So why did we not hear about this until this
horrific video came out? Like I said, if you were
getting alert from Fox, you heard it a couple days after.
I think it was maybe August twenty fourth. The attack
happened on August twenty second, and I think it was
probably after the weekend that they reported it. But nothing,
nothing on the mainstream legacy media. Well, more and more,
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we're getting the impression that those in the elite media
believe what they're being taught now in quote unquote journalistic
education programs in our major universities, which is, they are
starting to believe that they have a moral responsibility to
select what you get to hear, to choose what they
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think is relevant or not. We played Jensaki last week.
Basically her biggest concern, it seemed like, when speaking to
the Minneapolis mayor after the Minneapolis shooting, was not getting
to the bottom of why this happened.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It was do you have any concerns.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
About making sure that inconvenience And she didn't use that word,
but that's my interpretation.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Details don't get out.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
In other words, that the American people don't hear the
things that we would prefer. They would not because it
doesn't fit the narrative we're trying to tell. And she
clearly said she wanted to make the narrative all about
guns and nothing about the potential mental health issues or
transgenderism of the perpetrator. That's right, they are picking and choosing.
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And by the way, if you're progressive listening to this,
I want to hear from you five seven, seven thirty nine.
Are you okay with the media outlets that perhaps you
listen to deciding what you should know? Let me just
hazard a couple of guesses about why I don't think
that this made the mainstream media, with ABCCBS, NBCCNN, MSNBC
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never covering this despite the fact that it was an
absolutely ghastly murder of a Ukrainian woman. By the way,
she was a refugee. She left Ukraine because of the
war charm situation. Beautiful young woman. From my understanding, I've
un verified this was pursuing modeling as well as.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Work, working very hard. But why did they not cover that?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
And by the way, what did they paper wall to
wall over the last two weeks? Basically unceasing coverage of
the Japanese field, Go field, goalkicker. I think that's cool.
Maybe that deserves three minutes human interest story, it's good
for him. The opening of Princess Die's time capsule. That's
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not really news, that's human interest. Multiple days and cycles
of the.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Swift Kelsey engagement.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Okay, news is not the same as People magazine or
entertainment programming. Maybe that gets one or two minutes. But
for them to not even.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Cover this story.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
They even covered the growing powerball jackpot and the legal
travails of Cardi b These are the things that CBSNBC,
ABC think that you should be focused on instead of
this kind of a horrendous story of the murder of
a young woman Ukraine refuge on a shot a Charlotte
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UH Transportation mass transportation unit. They should not be getting
to decide. This is why it's gonna take every single
one of us to begin to make sure that we
do our work and we do our own research on things.
We get alerts because I gotta tell you, you're gonna find
out what I found out I did as a test case.
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I hear far more diverse, multiple topics, multiple headlines from
those news sources that would be considered right of center
than I do of those considered to be left of center.
News should be news, It should not be biased in
this fashion. So why do we perhaps think that maybe
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this's not covered, probably didn't fit the narrative. Let me
just pop this if you think I'm wrong. Text in
five seven seven thirty nine. If the attack had been
let's say, by a gun, do you think it would
have been covered?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I sure do. No, it was a knife attack.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
If the I hate to say this, but the identification
and ethnic groups of the perpetrator versus the victim were different.
A young Caucasian woman from Ukraine was a victim.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
A black man who.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Is not because of his race city did this because
of his mental health issues. But if it had been reversed,
do you think that would have been covered in the news.
If it wasn't about the total lapse in law and
order and it fit more the progressive narrative, do you
think it would have been covered more in the news.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I do for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
If this had been a refugee, let's say, from south
of our border, versus a young woman from Ukraine, do
you think it would have been covered more in the
mainstream media. I do one percent.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It is time that.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
We all begin to exercise what it takes to live
in a free society, actively searching out information, actively verifying
what we're hearing on what we're not hearing. The moment
that an elite organization or group of organizations like the media,
the legacy media decides what you and I have a
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right to know, that's when liberty is slipping slipping away.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It already is, but we can turn it around.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
By the way, there's some amazing journalists that are popping
up all over the place in the absence of this,
and I encourage you want to hear from you. Where
do you get your media? Five seven seven three nine.
Please text Ryan at five seven seven thirty nine. Does
this surprise you that it wasn't covered before? So let's
talk about something else, because we're talking here about the pillars,
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the pillars that are in our society and how they're
starting to be undermined more and more.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Most of us can look at now.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
The awareness many of us knew this before, but that
one of the pillars of our higher education was skewed
in one direction. When you see the percentage of professors
that are considered to be Democrat left of center versus
right of center. It is not surprisingly hugely tipped in
one direction towards left of center.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
The way that students are not.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Encouraged to ask questions but now know that they're supposed
to pairrot what their professor.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Wants them to say.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
We've all seen that the overtake of the anti Semitic
protests and riots that were going on. Protests predominantly, but
it verges into riots when you have Jewish students who
are in hiding.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Let's talk about a couple of others.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Because, by the way, one of the most important things
for freedom.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Is the ability to ask questions. I get a.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Lot of people that text in and try to attack
because I'm simply asking a question, where did we see
this last week? By the way, well, all we have
to do is look at when RFK Junior was grilled
at the Senate hearing because he dared to begin to
ask some questions. I want to just say something, By
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the way, I love what Einstein says about asking questions.
He said, learn from today, live for yesterday. The important
thing is to not stop questioning. That's about encouraging every
single one of us to do. Question the information you're getting.
Don't just look at a study or experts. As we
outlined last week, find out what the experts really are about.
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We shared the story of, and I only chuckle because
it's so absurd, a group of genocide experts that basically
said that Israel was perpetrating the genocide when it was
actually hamon us imprisoning and using the civilians, the Palestine
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civilians as shields.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But this group of experts was quoted by.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So many of the major news outlets Washington Post, BBC,
ABC and others.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And when you find out who.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
These experts were, guess what I could be a genocide
expert for thirty dollars and filling out a form online
and some of the members that are now experts go
by the terms. And for Palpatine, yes, all you Star
Wars people do recognize that name. Another one was Mo
Cookie with the icon of Cookie Monster with a pro
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hamas green scarf on. But let's take that even further,
so question the experts. Question where you're getting your media.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
For those of you who already.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Know this, this is just a way to talk to
your friends who really truly are not looking at the
same information because they're not getting alerts. Just ask them,
ask them to get alerts from both sides. It's a
really interesting thing to do because we can begin to
get them to have the healthy skepticism that it takes
to be a critical thinker and an engaged citizen. Gandhi
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even said the power to question is a basis for
all human progress. So why was the Senator from Minnesota,
Tina Smith so threatened by RFK Junior actually questioning simply
saying she misquoted him. All he simply said in a
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previous interview was that his department HHS was looking into
the correlation between the incredible explosion of prescribing psychotropic drugs
for children and teenagers and the growing correlation that we're
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seeing between those who have mental illness are medic cadd
and then perhaps the hormones being added on top of
that being a problem. He dared to question that. I
would say, good on you AREFK Jr.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
We're going to talk a.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Little bit more about what we need to get into
question because you may not know this. I certainly was
new to this information the mental health profession, and believe me,
I know wonderful people, many people and I think the
vast majority of people in this profession want to do
it for the right reasons. But the mental health profession
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is actually not in any way regulated, nor is their
ability to prescribe any number of drugs that have not
been tested on children, teenagers, and oftentimes, by the way,
come with as R. K. Junior said, a black box,
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the label warning of suicidal and homicidal ideation.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That's what we're going to talk about when we come back.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I also want to hear from you you five seven
seven three nine five seven seven thirty nine. Text Ryan
let me know your thoughts about this. When we come back,
we'll continue. I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Ryan shuling
these texts coming in from listeners, and you two can
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join the conversation at five seven, seven thirty nine. Be
sure to text Ryan and then your comment your question.
A couple coming in. First of all, thank you so
much for the listener who congratulated our son on his
sixty six seven football win and his starting his.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
First game as a starter in college football. It was
a really great weekend in Iowa. And then another caller asked,
where is Ryan? Is he Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think he's enjoying himself thoroughly, and I believe we'll
be back in this chair tomorrow. I know I'll be
back with him on Friday, along with Christian Toto, like
we are every Friday.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
At two o'clock.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I was talking about the lack of news coverage about
this horrific stabbing that happened in the Charlotte mass transit system,
and many of the legacy media are only now reporting
on it two weeks later as a video comes out.
Fox News reported on it right after the incident, I believe,
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a couple of days afterwards, and I was talking about
how it doesn't fit the narrative that they want to push.
It wasn't a gun, It wasn't, for instance, a refugee
from a place that they would rather talk about. This
was a young woman from Ukraine. It didn't fit a
lot of the narratives. It was about public safety. And
that's what one listener said, Deborah, I agree with all
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the reasons you gave about the lack of news about
that stabbing. I would add the left is trying hard
to state that crime is down. Absolutely absolutely does not
fit the narrative because what I did not get to
about this situation is that horrific perpetrator, by the way,
he had fourteen previous felony arrests, fourteen previous felony arrests,
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And if you watch the video, which is thank goodness,
they stop it before the actual act. They stop it
right as he stands up and to this completely unsuspecting
young woman, he leans every and he's about to stab
her with a knife. What they don't show is he's
obviously mentally unwell. He is sitting there and he's scowling
and he's shaking his head. And then also he just
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stands up and he he con missed this horrific act
and then just walks off the train afterwards. I agree
that they don't want to talk about the fact that
there's a question.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
About why was this person on the street.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Why was there not some kind of way to have
someone like this who obviously was so mentally unwell that
he should not ben roaming the streets, let alone this
mass transit system in Charlotte. Definitely appreciate those listeners texting in,
But I want to take even further because I was
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talking about how Robert RFK Junior he got grilled at
the Senate hearing last week because guess what his major
sin is. He is daring to ask questions. The Minnesota senator,
she had it completely wrong. He was not saying he
knew definitively, Tina Smith. He was not saying that he
definitively knew that the Minnesota's shooting had to do with
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the psychotropic and antidepressants that are now being given to
our children and young people at a huge explosion of
a rate.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
He said they were going to look into it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I want to say thank goodness because here's some things
that I found out when I was doing some research.
Because you're not going to hear this in a lot
of the legacy media, and if I were in front
of Tina Smith, she'd probably be shouting me down as well.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
But mental help is the key to all of these issues.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
By the way, when it comes to the transgender situation,
let's be really clear. We are not saying that everyone
who's transgender is having these ideo you know, ideations of
suicide and homicide and all of that. However, there was
a respected health journal, the Landset in a twenty twenty
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four store study that nearly half nearly half forty seven
percent of all trans non binary respondence self reported that
they had some mental health condition they were dealing with.
Let's listen to those people and get the help that
they need. I actually feel very very badly for the
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experimentation that is happening on this generation. You add to
what may be going on this underlying comorbidity as they
call it, that transgender and non binary people are reporting
themselves nearly half of them. Then you add to it
what is going on with this over medicating of our kids.
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When you look at this, there is a study that
shows a uised Department of Health and Human Services study
that one in five American children are prescribed at least
one drug per month. And we're talking about psychiatric and
psychotropic drugs among teenagers. By the way, that goes from
one in five of children to twenty seven percent, almost
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one out of every three, and anti psychotic drug prescriptions
among children rows eight hundred percent in fourteen years.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Here's the worst part of it all. There have been zero.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Studies on what this does to the developing brains of children.
What happens when you combine these drugs as is happening
many times, by the way, going all the way back
to the shooting that happened in Florida quite a while ago.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
In Sandy Hook. Adam Lonza his.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Mom talked about how he was prescribed one drug and
was almost canatonic, then they gave him another dragon. He
had all these other issues and none of that has
actually gone through a study of what it does to children,
and many of them, like Rka Junior said, have black
labels warning of homicidal and suicidal ideation. It's about time
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that we ask all of the questions. And let's just
remember this. And I say this to those of you
who are listening who don't agree with me. It's okay
to ask questions. And anyone who thinks it's not okay
to ask questions, you need to ask them why. True
science and everybody's saying trust the science. True science is
based on testing your theory over and over and over again.
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That's why I love this this quote by Einstein. He said,
the important thing is to never stop questioning.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That's what we have to do today.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Encourage those of your neighbors who maybe just have lost
any healthy, healthy sense that they need to question government
or media or the quote unquote experts, that they need to.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Start doing that.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Don't even just believe what we're saying. Check it out yourself.
That's what we have to start doing. A new study,
by the way, that was spearheaded by a Stamford doctor.
This just came out so that doctors are often prescribing
medications to young children for things like ADHD ADHD right away, immediately,
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five year olds, right away, three year olds. Believe not,
We're talking about three year olds getting medication for ADHD,
and they are often being prescribed within three days, when
even the American Academy Pediatrics said that therapy should come first.
And by the way, I'm a mom of a son,
as I mentioned, and thank goodness, he's getting all that,
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you know, wonderful testosterone, boy energy, young man energy out
on the football. But when he was little, I'll never
forget that a very well meaning person looked at him
because he was kinetic is all get out at the
age of four and suggested he be medicated. And they said,
there's something wrong with him. And they came up with
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all these letters ADHD add And I'm not saying some
people don't have that, And I said, yes, there's three
letters that describe what is quote unquote wrong with him.
And they are boy he's a boy, he's kinetic. The
drugging of our American youth is something that we all
need to begin to question, and I.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Do believe, by the way, that it is.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
One of the things that is driving driving this chronic
situation we see.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I have yet.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And I am not an expert on this, I have
yet to find one of these more recent mass shooters
that did not have some kind of mental health issue
and was on some kind of drugs. Maybe that is
a good thing for some of these situations, but it
is the time we begin to ask it. And I'm sorry, Jensaki,
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we are going to pause and not immediately turn the narrative.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You would like it to be to the guns.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So, by the way, we're going to head to a break,
but I want you to join us also stay with
it at the top of the hour because Daniel Fennlissen,
who by the way, is a school shooting survivor, he's going.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
To talk about this issue. He's also going to talk
about why now in his role with.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The Color of State Shooting Association, why he is helping
lead a charge along with the CSSA against this terrible
Senate Bill III that is now the law in Colorado,
and boy, I got to tell you, women who want
to protect themselves, we need to hear more about this
lawsuit and how we can support it. Don't go anywhere.
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I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Ryan Shooting Flora sitting
in for.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Ryan one hour ago.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So fast as I was sharing earlier, you don't want
to miss the interview coming up at three pm. I'm
going to be joined by Daniel Fenlinson. He is the
color Estate Shooting Association. They are spearheading a lawsuit with
Mountain Legal Foundation and it is challenging the Senate Bill
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sb IREI and I just want to comment on this
really quickly because one of the plaintiffs in this lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Really kind of hits home for me, and I will
let you know why.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
One of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit is actually a
woman by the name of Kathleen Clayton. She's a survivor
of domestic abuse whose primary defensive arm is a common
microcompact semi automatic handgun. This act, by the way, would
impose months of delay, later bureaucracy, and new costs that
would make it very hard for someone like her in
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the future to have a weapon to protect themselves. And
I want to share why that's important to me is
we framed this conversation with and Daniel join us coming
up long ago.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I had a stalker.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And it was when I had temporary insanity and I
lived in Los Angeles, and when I was there, I
had the LA Threat Management Unit come to my door
and tell me that I had a problem, and they
could not tell me that I could carry a weapon
to protect myself. The person I was, you know, basically
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my life and my freedom was being infringed by.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Was twice my height, twice my weight.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Basically, maybe not twice my height, but it sure felt
like it. And I was told that really I had
two options. Either break the law by having a handgun
to protect myself.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
And if I did, they would try to.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Give me a slap on the hands. So it was
either imprisonment or death. That is no choice for any
law abiding citizen. And by the way, there is a
reason why we should not penalize law abiding citizens who
carry firearms, but we should instead look at the root
of the cause, like in the Minneapolis shooting or the
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Covenant shooting, or even getting back to Sandy Hook with
with the example we.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Shared of the perpetrator.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Who was on all kinds of medication had underlying mental
health issues. Time to start looking at that situation making
sure that those who are law abinding have the right
to protect themselves.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
And it is the perpetrators.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
With the ill intent who then their rights are the
ones that they have foregone because of these different issues.
But let me say this by the way, also there's
been some talk about potentially banning transgender individuals from carrying weapons.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I am not for that.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Once again, that is a fundamental issue that comes down
to the individual, not.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
To a group of people.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
So we're gonna have that conversation when when we come
up back. You're going to want to stick with us,
as Daniel Fennelsen joins us, and you can hear how
you can stand with CSSA to make sure that our
Second Amendment rights are protected. Don't go anywhere. I'm Deborah
Flora sitting in for Ryan Shuling.
Welcome to the Ryan Sholing Show. This is Deborah Flora.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Very happy to be sitting again for my friend Ryan Sholing.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I was off on Friday because.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm trying to channel my inner Ryan Sholing today. Just
so you know what I mean by that is he
normally wears the gear of his favorite sports team, and
as I shared on Thursday, we went to Iowa this
week to watch our son's first start in college football.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
He's a wide receiver, so I am wearing all of that.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Gear to celebrate the sixty six seven win for the
team that our son plays on.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So there you go. That is probably you know.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I think Ryan and I have a few other things
in common, but we always have a different tenor to
our voice, so I know you know. This is Deborah
Flora sitting in for Ryan Sholing. Hope that you had
a wonderful weekend as well. Want to just let you
know also if you missed any of the shows that
I guest hosted Tuesday or Thursday, definitely listen to the podcast.
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Particularly Thursday. We and Mark oz Geist on the show.
He's a Ben Ghazzi hero from Thirteen Hours who is
also has had a long law enforcement history in his
native state here in Colorado, and much of what his
career has been has been about stopping crimes against children.
(01:18):
Definitely want to hear that you from Thursday as he is,
he is now the proponent of a ballad initiative, and
I'm also wanting to invite you because this Wednesday, I'll
be moderating a panel with Mark Ozgeist, with Aaron Lee
and Jen Say of XXXY Clothing Company Athletics, because we're
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going to have all of them for Douglas County citizenry
talking about these ballad initiatives and how you can support them.
That will be this coming Wednesday, six thirty pm at
rock Bottom Brewery and Loan Tree.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You can also see it on my.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Facebook page or Twitter. Twitter is Deborah Flora one and face.
This book is just Debrah Flora. Pretty easy to find.
So anyway, great to be joining you again today. So
much to talk about.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
If you were listening.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Last week, one of the things that we were talking
about was the erosion of trust in some of our
country's institutions.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Now, when I talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
The legacy media or the progressive media, I do not
do this with any joy at how little confidence people
put in that institution, because the minute we stop having
a media that we can trust and believe in and
feel like it is really give us the full information,
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the more our.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Country gets undermined.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We shared some facts last week at Gallup poll showing
that thirty one percent, only thirty one percent of Americans
express confidence that reporting is accurate and fair. Now this
breakdown breaks down even more when you look at it
by left of center or right of center. Fifty four
percent of Democrats trust the media, only twelve percent of Republicans.
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And I'm going to share a couple of stories of
why I think that is and why encourage listeners last
week and when I've been guest hosting on other shows
and even my own shows, do your own homework. Being
a citizen requires now greater effort on your part than
ever before, because unfortunately we don't have a media from
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all the president's men that are digging in and holding
government accountable. And by the way, I want them to
hold government accountable, whether or not it is a Republican
or a Democrat, whether it is a progressive policy or
a conservative policy. I want I want that true and
fairy pointing why Because I actually believe citizens have the
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right to have the full information and situations and then
make their own decisions. Firm believer of what our founding
fathers said, which is the key to a free society
is a well educated citizenry. That's why the group that
we're going to have this event on Wednesday is called
Douglas County Citizenry, not right or US or left or
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US or whatever else like that. Truth should be truth
and we should all be able, by the way, to
agree on basic facts, which is also part of the problem.
We used the case study last week of the Trump
is Dead false news that went absolutely viral, millions of
views and reposts and hashtags on x, Reddit, YouTube, and
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blue Sky and how that's problematic because.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Depends on where you get your news.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And I put that in air quote news from here
is another case study.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And you may have just begun.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
To really hear about this because the video was finally released.
This is the case study of the brutal stabbing murder
in Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's really horrific. It was released over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But here is what I want to bring up about
this case study. This attack happened August twenty second, basically
two weeks ago, over two weeks ago. That's when this
stabbing happened. And if you've not heard about it, it
was a young twenty three year old Ukrainian refugee, Rina Zurutska.
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She was sitting on the mass transit in Charlotte. There
have been many calls by citizens for greater security and
public safety. She took her seat on a light rail
train immediately, as so many of us would, picked up
her phone and started looking at it until a horrific
moment when the person sitting behind her stood up after
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just a few moments and brutally murdered her with a knife,
a stabbing attack. When it was over, he just walked
off the train. I mean, it's pretty horrendous. And I
got to tell you, as a mom of some kids
who are in their twenties, now there are days of
ever considering writing math trendsit right now are done. They're
done because there is not the security that's needed. But
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here is the point. Why didn't any of us hear
more about this? Now?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I've got to give a shout out.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Fox News covered it just a couple of days afterwards,
and this is one of the points that I made
last week.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And by the way, I want to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Please text in at five seven seven three nine, start
with the word Ryan so it gets channeled to me
Ryan five seven seven three nine. I want to know
where you get your media from. Had you heard about
this prior to this weekend? Because while Fox News covered
it a couple of days after the event, here's where
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there was stunning silence until this.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Video got released two weeks after.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Never heard anything from ABC, CBS, NBC, all which have
nightly news broadcasts. Also CNN and MSNBC twenty four to
seven news coverage. They never aired this story. One of
the things I asked last week is and one of
the things I encouraged, get alerts from both sides of
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the political well that shouldn't be political, but the news
media outlets.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I'm using that in air.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Quotes because news is questionable anymore, whether or not whether
or not it means journalistic integrity. But get alerts from
both I do. I get it from Fox and CNN.
I get it from Washington Post and Washington Examiner. Get
it from Wall Street Journal and Epic Times, Free Press,
many others. Because you're gonna find out all the things
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that are not getting covered by the mainstream media.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So let's look at why. Let's look at this.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So why did we not hear about this until this
horrific video came out? Like I said, if you were
getting alert from Fox, you heard it a couple days after.
I think it was maybe August twenty fourth. The attack
happened on August twenty second, and I think it was
probably after the weekend that they reported it. But nothing,
nothing on the mainstream legacy media. Well, more and more,
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we're getting the impression that those in the elite media
believe what they're being taught now in quote unquote journalistic
education programs in our major universities, which is, they are
starting to believe that they have a moral responsibility to
select what you get to hear, to choose what they
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think is relevant or not. We played Jensaki last week.
Basically her biggest concern, it seemed like, when speaking to
the Minneapolis mayor after the Minneapolis shooting, was not getting
to the bottom of why this happened.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It was do you have any concerns.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
About making sure that inconvenience And she didn't use that word,
but that's my interpretation.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Details don't get out.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
In other words, that the American people don't hear the
things that we would prefer. They would not because it
doesn't fit the narrative we're trying to tell. And she
clearly said she wanted to make the narrative all about
guns and nothing about the potential mental health issues or
transgenderism of the perpetrator. That's right, they are picking and choosing.
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And by the way, if you're progressive listening to this,
I want to hear from you five seven, seven thirty nine.
Are you okay with the media outlets that perhaps you
listen to deciding what you should know? Let me just
hazard a couple of guesses about why I don't think
that this made the mainstream media, with ABCCBS, NBCCNN, MSNBC
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never covering this despite the fact that it was an
absolutely ghastly murder of a Ukrainian woman. By the way,
she was a refugee. She left Ukraine because of the
war charm situation. Beautiful young woman. From my understanding, I've
un verified this was pursuing modeling as well as.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Work, working very hard. But why did they not cover that?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
And by the way, what did they paper wall to
wall over the last two weeks? Basically unceasing coverage of
the Japanese field, Go field, goalkicker. I think that's cool.
Maybe that deserves three minutes human interest story, it's good
for him. The opening of Princess Die's time capsule. That's
(10:31):
not really news, that's human interest. Multiple days and cycles
of the.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Swift Kelsey engagement.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Okay, news is not the same as People magazine or
entertainment programming. Maybe that gets one or two minutes. But
for them to not even.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Cover this story.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
They even covered the growing powerball jackpot and the legal
travails of Cardi b These are the things that CBSNBC,
ABC think that you should be focused on instead of
this kind of a horrendous story of the murder of
a young woman Ukraine refuge on a shot a Charlotte
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UH Transportation mass transportation unit. They should not be getting
to decide. This is why it's gonna take every single
one of us to begin to make sure that we
do our work and we do our own research on things.
We get alerts because I gotta tell you, you're gonna find
out what I found out I did as a test case.
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I hear far more diverse, multiple topics, multiple headlines from
those news sources that would be considered right of center
than I do of those considered to be left of center.
News should be news, It should not be biased in
this fashion. So why do we perhaps think that maybe
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this's not covered, probably didn't fit the narrative. Let me
just pop this if you think I'm wrong. Text in
five seven seven thirty nine. If the attack had been
let's say, by a gun, do you think it would
have been covered?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I sure do. No, it was a knife attack.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
If the I hate to say this, but the identification
and ethnic groups of the perpetrator versus the victim were different.
A young Caucasian woman from Ukraine was a victim.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
A black man who.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Is not because of his race city did this because
of his mental health issues. But if it had been reversed,
do you think that would have been covered in the news.
If it wasn't about the total lapse in law and
order and it fit more the progressive narrative, do you
think it would have been covered more in the news.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I do for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
If this had been a refugee, let's say, from south
of our border, versus a young woman from Ukraine, do
you think it would have been covered more in the
mainstream media. I do one percent.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It is time that.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
We all begin to exercise what it takes to live
in a free society, actively searching out information, actively verifying
what we're hearing on what we're not hearing. The moment
that an elite organization or group of organizations like the media,
the legacy media decides what you and I have a
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right to know, that's when liberty is slipping slipping away.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It already is, but we can turn it around.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
By the way, there's some amazing journalists that are popping
up all over the place in the absence of this,
and I encourage you want to hear from you. Where
do you get your media? Five seven seven three nine.
Please text Ryan at five seven seven thirty nine. Does
this surprise you that it wasn't covered before? So let's
talk about something else, because we're talking here about the pillars,
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the pillars that are in our society and how they're
starting to be undermined more and more.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Most of us can look at now.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
The awareness many of us knew this before, but that
one of the pillars of our higher education was skewed
in one direction. When you see the percentage of professors
that are considered to be Democrat left of center versus
right of center. It is not surprisingly hugely tipped in
one direction towards left of center.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
The way that students are not.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Encouraged to ask questions but now know that they're supposed
to pairrot what their professor.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Wants them to say.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
We've all seen that the overtake of the anti Semitic
protests and riots that were going on. Protests predominantly, but
it verges into riots when you have Jewish students who
are in hiding.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Let's talk about a couple of others.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Because, by the way, one of the most important things
for freedom.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Is the ability to ask questions. I get a.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Lot of people that text in and try to attack
because I'm simply asking a question, where did we see
this last week? By the way, well, all we have
to do is look at when RFK Junior was grilled
at the Senate hearing because he dared to begin to
ask some questions. I want to just say something, By
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the way, I love what Einstein says about asking questions.
He said, learn from today, live for yesterday. The important
thing is to not stop questioning. That's about encouraging every
single one of us to do. Question the information you're getting.
Don't just look at a study or experts. As we
outlined last week, find out what the experts really are about.
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We shared the story of, and I only chuckle because
it's so absurd, a group of genocide experts that basically
said that Israel was perpetrating the genocide when it was
actually hamon us imprisoning and using the civilians, the Palestine
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civilians as shields.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But this group of experts was quoted by.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So many of the major news outlets Washington Post, BBC,
ABC and others.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And when you find out who.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
These experts were, guess what I could be a genocide
expert for thirty dollars and filling out a form online
and some of the members that are now experts go
by the terms. And for Palpatine, yes, all you Star
Wars people do recognize that name. Another one was Mo
Cookie with the icon of Cookie Monster with a pro
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hamas green scarf on. But let's take that even further,
so question the experts. Question where you're getting your media.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
For those of you who already.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Know this, this is just a way to talk to
your friends who really truly are not looking at the
same information because they're not getting alerts. Just ask them,
ask them to get alerts from both sides. It's a
really interesting thing to do because we can begin to
get them to have the healthy skepticism that it takes
to be a critical thinker and an engaged citizen. Gandhi
(17:15):
even said the power to question is a basis for
all human progress. So why was the Senator from Minnesota,
Tina Smith so threatened by RFK Junior actually questioning simply
saying she misquoted him. All he simply said in a
(17:36):
previous interview was that his department HHS was looking into
the correlation between the incredible explosion of prescribing psychotropic drugs
for children and teenagers and the growing correlation that we're
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seeing between those who have mental illness are medic cadd
and then perhaps the hormones being added on top of
that being a problem. He dared to question that. I
would say, good on you AREFK Jr.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
We're going to talk a.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Little bit more about what we need to get into
question because you may not know this. I certainly was
new to this information the mental health profession, and believe me,
I know wonderful people, many people and I think the
vast majority of people in this profession want to do
it for the right reasons. But the mental health profession
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is actually not in any way regulated, nor is their
ability to prescribe any number of drugs that have not
been tested on children, teenagers, and oftentimes, by the way,
come with as R. K. Junior said, a black box,
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the label warning of suicidal and homicidal ideation.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That's what we're going to talk about when we come back.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I also want to hear from you you five seven
seven three nine five seven seven thirty nine. Text Ryan
let me know your thoughts about this. When we come back,
we'll continue. I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Ryan shuling
these texts coming in from listeners, and you two can
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join the conversation at five seven, seven thirty nine. Be
sure to text Ryan and then your comment your question.
A couple coming in. First of all, thank you so
much for the listener who congratulated our son on his
sixty six seven football win and his starting his.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
First game as a starter in college football. It was
a really great weekend in Iowa. And then another caller asked,
where is Ryan? Is he Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think he's enjoying himself thoroughly, and I believe we'll
be back in this chair tomorrow. I know I'll be
back with him on Friday, along with Christian Toto, like
we are every Friday.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
At two o'clock.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I was talking about the lack of news coverage about
this horrific stabbing that happened in the Charlotte mass transit system,
and many of the legacy media are only now reporting
on it two weeks later as a video comes out.
Fox News reported on it right after the incident, I believe,
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a couple of days afterwards, and I was talking about
how it doesn't fit the narrative that they want to push.
It wasn't a gun, It wasn't, for instance, a refugee
from a place that they would rather talk about. This
was a young woman from Ukraine. It didn't fit a
lot of the narratives. It was about public safety. And
that's what one listener said, Deborah, I agree with all
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the reasons you gave about the lack of news about
that stabbing. I would add the left is trying hard
to state that crime is down. Absolutely absolutely does not
fit the narrative because what I did not get to
about this situation is that horrific perpetrator, by the way,
he had fourteen previous felony arrests, fourteen previous felony arrests,
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And if you watch the video, which is thank goodness,
they stop it before the actual act. They stop it
right as he stands up and to this completely unsuspecting
young woman, he leans every and he's about to stab
her with a knife. What they don't show is he's
obviously mentally unwell. He is sitting there and he's scowling
and he's shaking his head. And then also he just
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stands up and he he con missed this horrific act
and then just walks off the train afterwards. I agree
that they don't want to talk about the fact that
there's a question.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
About why was this person on the street.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Why was there not some kind of way to have
someone like this who obviously was so mentally unwell that
he should not ben roaming the streets, let alone this
mass transit system in Charlotte. Definitely appreciate those listeners texting in,
But I want to take even further because I was
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talking about how Robert RFK Junior he got grilled at
the Senate hearing last week because guess what his major
sin is. He is daring to ask questions. The Minnesota senator,
she had it completely wrong. He was not saying he
knew definitively, Tina Smith. He was not saying that he
definitively knew that the Minnesota's shooting had to do with
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the psychotropic and antidepressants that are now being given to
our children and young people at a huge explosion of
a rate.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
He said they were going to look into it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I want to say thank goodness because here's some things
that I found out when I was doing some research.
Because you're not going to hear this in a lot
of the legacy media, and if I were in front
of Tina Smith, she'd probably be shouting me down as well.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
But mental help is the key to all of these issues.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
By the way, when it comes to the transgender situation,
let's be really clear. We are not saying that everyone
who's transgender is having these ideo you know, ideations of
suicide and homicide and all of that. However, there was
a respected health journal, the Landset in a twenty twenty
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four store study that nearly half nearly half forty seven
percent of all trans non binary respondence self reported that
they had some mental health condition they were dealing with.
Let's listen to those people and get the help that
they need. I actually feel very very badly for the
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experimentation that is happening on this generation. You add to
what may be going on this underlying comorbidity as they
call it, that transgender and non binary people are reporting
themselves nearly half of them. Then you add to it
what is going on with this over medicating of our kids.
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When you look at this, there is a study that
shows a uised Department of Health and Human Services study
that one in five American children are prescribed at least
one drug per month. And we're talking about psychiatric and
psychotropic drugs among teenagers. By the way, that goes from
one in five of children to twenty seven percent, almost
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one out of every three, and anti psychotic drug prescriptions
among children rows eight hundred percent in fourteen years.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Here's the worst part of it all. There have been zero.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Studies on what this does to the developing brains of children.
What happens when you combine these drugs as is happening
many times, by the way, going all the way back
to the shooting that happened in Florida quite a while ago.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
In Sandy Hook. Adam Lonza his.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Mom talked about how he was prescribed one drug and
was almost canatonic, then they gave him another dragon. He
had all these other issues and none of that has
actually gone through a study of what it does to children,
and many of them, like Rka Junior said, have black
labels warning of homicidal and suicidal ideation. It's about time
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that we ask all of the questions. And let's just
remember this. And I say this to those of you
who are listening who don't agree with me. It's okay
to ask questions. And anyone who thinks it's not okay
to ask questions, you need to ask them why. True
science and everybody's saying trust the science. True science is
based on testing your theory over and over and over again.
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That's why I love this this quote by Einstein. He said,
the important thing is to never stop questioning.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That's what we have to do today.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Encourage those of your neighbors who maybe just have lost
any healthy, healthy sense that they need to question government
or media or the quote unquote experts, that they need to.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Start doing that.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Don't even just believe what we're saying. Check it out yourself.
That's what we have to start doing. A new study,
by the way, that was spearheaded by a Stamford doctor.
This just came out so that doctors are often prescribing
medications to young children for things like ADHD ADHD right away, immediately,
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five year olds, right away, three year olds. Believe not,
We're talking about three year olds getting medication for ADHD,
and they are often being prescribed within three days, when
even the American Academy Pediatrics said that therapy should come first.
And by the way, I'm a mom of a son,
as I mentioned, and thank goodness, he's getting all that,
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you know, wonderful testosterone, boy energy, young man energy out
on the football. But when he was little, I'll never
forget that a very well meaning person looked at him
because he was kinetic is all get out at the
age of four and suggested he be medicated. And they said,
there's something wrong with him. And they came up with
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all these letters ADHD add And I'm not saying some
people don't have that, And I said, yes, there's three
letters that describe what is quote unquote wrong with him.
And they are boy he's a boy, he's kinetic. The
drugging of our American youth is something that we all
need to begin to question, and I.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Do believe, by the way, that it is.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
One of the things that is driving driving this chronic
situation we see.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I have yet.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And I am not an expert on this, I have
yet to find one of these more recent mass shooters
that did not have some kind of mental health issue
and was on some kind of drugs. Maybe that is
a good thing for some of these situations, but it
is the time we begin to ask it. And I'm sorry, Jensaki,
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we are going to pause and not immediately turn the narrative.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You would like it to be to the guns.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So, by the way, we're going to head to a break,
but I want you to join us also stay with
it at the top of the hour because Daniel Fennlissen,
who by the way, is a school shooting survivor, he's going.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
To talk about this issue. He's also going to talk
about why now in his role with.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The Color of State Shooting Association, why he is helping
lead a charge along with the CSSA against this terrible
Senate Bill III that is now the law in Colorado,
and boy, I got to tell you, women who want
to protect themselves, we need to hear more about this
lawsuit and how we can support it. Don't go anywhere.
(28:49):
I'm Deborah Flora sitting in for Ryan Shooting Flora sitting
in for.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Ryan one hour ago.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So fast as I was sharing earlier, you don't want
to miss the interview coming up at three pm. I'm
going to be joined by Daniel Fenlinson. He is the
color Estate Shooting Association. They are spearheading a lawsuit with
Mountain Legal Foundation and it is challenging the Senate Bill
(29:20):
sb IREI and I just want to comment on this
really quickly because one of the plaintiffs in this lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Really kind of hits home for me, and I will
let you know why.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
One of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit is actually a
woman by the name of Kathleen Clayton. She's a survivor
of domestic abuse whose primary defensive arm is a common
microcompact semi automatic handgun. This act, by the way, would
impose months of delay, later bureaucracy, and new costs that
would make it very hard for someone like her in
(29:53):
the future to have a weapon to protect themselves. And
I want to share why that's important to me is
we framed this conversation with and Daniel join us coming
up long ago.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I had a stalker.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And it was when I had temporary insanity and I
lived in Los Angeles, and when I was there, I
had the LA Threat Management Unit come to my door
and tell me that I had a problem, and they
could not tell me that I could carry a weapon
to protect myself. The person I was, you know, basically
(30:25):
my life and my freedom was being infringed by.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Was twice my height, twice my weight.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Basically, maybe not twice my height, but it sure felt
like it. And I was told that really I had
two options. Either break the law by having a handgun
to protect myself.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
And if I did, they would try to.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Give me a slap on the hands. So it was
either imprisonment or death. That is no choice for any
law abiding citizen. And by the way, there is a
reason why we should not penalize law abiding citizens who
carry firearms, but we should instead look at the root
of the cause, like in the Minneapolis shooting or the
(31:09):
Covenant shooting, or even getting back to Sandy Hook with
with the example we.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Shared of the perpetrator.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Who was on all kinds of medication had underlying mental
health issues. Time to start looking at that situation making
sure that those who are law abinding have the right
to protect themselves.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
And it is the perpetrators.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
With the ill intent who then their rights are the
ones that they have foregone because of these different issues.
But let me say this by the way, also there's
been some talk about potentially banning transgender individuals from carrying weapons.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I am not for that.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Once again, that is a fundamental issue that comes down
to the individual, not.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
To a group of people.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
So we're gonna have that conversation when when we come
up back. You're going to want to stick with us,
as Daniel Fennelsen joins us, and you can hear how
you can stand with CSSA to make sure that our
Second Amendment rights are protected. Don't go anywhere. I'm Deborah
Flora sitting in for Ryan Shuling.
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