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October 17, 2024 38 mins
Dick Wadhams, former chair of the Colorado GOP, joins Ryan with his perspective on the 2024 election with 19 days to go - including his personal take on the ramifications of Proposition 131, which would create 'jungle primaries' in Colorado with ranked choice voting used in other states like Alaska, California, and Maine.

Colorado Proposition 131, Top-Four Ranked-Choice Voting Initiative (2024) - Ballotpedia

George Brauchler, Republican candidate for district attorney in the new 23rd judicial district, joins Ryan to discuss two ballot initiatives: Proposition 128 (Parole Eligibility Initiative) and Proposition 130 (Law Enforcement Funding Initiative).

https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Proposition_128,_Parole_Eligibility_Initiative_(2024)

https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Proposition_130,_Law_Enforcement_Funding_Initiative_(2024)

George Brauchler for District Attorney of CO’s 23rd District

Carlos Mencia joins Ryan to preview his upcoming shows at Comedy Works South this weekend, reflecting on his career in comedy and his landmark Comedy Central show 'Mind of Mencia.'

Carlos Mencia | Live in Denver | Comedy Works

Comedian Carlos Mencia is best known for his raw and unfiltered style of comedy, which he has showcased to great success on comedy stages, and in TV shows and movies. He has recently gone back to his comedic roots on his No Hate No Fear comedy tour, sharing his newest material with smaller, more intimate audiences. As a comedian who finds the hilarious irony in both the day-to-day and the newsworthy events, Carlos is never lacking in material. Carlos plays the role of Felix Boulevardez in Disney+'s The Proud Family: Louder and Prouder, the revival of the groundbreaking animated series The Proud Family.After he found success on the Los Angeles comedy circuit, Mencia was named International Comedy Grand Champion from Buscando Estrellas (the Latin version of Star Search), eventually landing on shows such as In Living ColorThe Arsenio Hall Show, and An Evening at the Improv.Mencia received a CableACE Award nomination for Best Stand-Up Comedy Special for his HBO special. Comedy Central soon took notice and the show Mind of Mencia started. The show was an instant hit, and propelled Mencia to the comedy elite. Comedy Central signed Mencia back for an original stand-up special, Carlos Mencia: No Strings Attached, the first Comedy Central Stand-up Special DVD to achieve Platinum sales status.Later, Mencia went on to star on the big screen. He starred opposite Ben Stiller and Michelle Monaghan in The Heartbreak Kid, and in the family-comedy Our Family Wedding, alongside America Ferrara and Forrest Whitaker.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Now we get into the ballot proposals, and a lot
of people are maybe overlooking these, and you can understand
that you're looking at the candidates on the ballot and
focusing on those races.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
That impact you directly and those who will represent you.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
But these are also consequential, and one in particular, I
think he has been fascinating in the conversations. It is
generated on both sides, and I think unlikely alliances on
both sides. For instance, Proposition one thirty one, which is
about ranked choice of voting, has the opposition of both
Dave Williams, the current chair of the Republican Party and

(00:32):
the Democratic Party of Colorado.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Dick Wadams joins us.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
He is a consultant for the proposal Proposition one thirty one.
I'll let him get into the details on that, and
he joins us. Now, Dick, always thankful for your time.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Good morning, her head, afternoon. Ryan.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Take us through this proposal, its origins, and how you
became personally involved with it.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Well, Brian, all right, an electorate has changed dramatically over
the last twelve or thirteen years. Hundred thousand people have
moved to Colorado, and they have changed the state from
what was for decades they third third to third, third Republican,
third Democrat, third unaffiliated. Roughly to now there are forty

(01:13):
eight point six percent of the electorate is unaffiliated, only
twenty two percent or seven percent or Democratic and twenty
three percent of Republican. These voters are rejecting both political parties.
I think we have to recognize that, and I think
the political process needs to respond to that. I became

(01:33):
convinced that the current political process that's frankly I flourished
in for years. I mean, I ran a bunch of
campaigns in the current political process over the years, was
very successful in those elections.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
But you know what I have You have to look
at the.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Way the reality of today, and I think the proposition
one thirty one, which would establish an open primary for
every candidate Republican, Democratic, Libertarian, Green, vegetarian, whatever, they all
run in one open primary, and voters would and all
voters would be able to vote in that primary, and

(02:08):
they would vote for one person. The top four would
go into the general election, and the ultimate winner would
be determined by ranked choice voting, where the voters would
rank the four finalists one through four. They could just
rank one, two or three if they wanted to. And
I think that this opens up the process.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
It opens it up.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
To a point where both parties will be removed from
their extream wings. And I think it's good for the process.
That's why I decided to sign up for it, and
that's why I'm supporting it.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Dick Wadam's our guest talking about Proposition one thirty one.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
It is on your ballots.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's an initiative to introduce ranked choice voting into Colorado politics. Now,
this has been employed elsewhere Alaska, Maine, California, most notably
California is a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
And I'll let Dick into the details surrounding that.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
But Dick, my concern and I have a kind of
a default position of a hard no here is because
just based on the results, the evidence, and as a
Republican myself, who wants Republicans to win in a state
where that is hard to do, what we've seen is
invariably this is not favored Republicans in any of those
states that I've mentioned. And one example I'll let you

(03:17):
kind of expand on with your own thoughts was the
house race that Mary Peltola won in Alaska, which is
deeply read. She's a Democrat, and she was allowed to
run against a libertarian candidate, but then two Republican candidates,
including one Sarah Palin against another male Republican opponent, that
kind of bifurcated. The Republican party dissolved that the Democrats

(03:38):
were allowed to consolidate around one candidate, Mary Peltola, and
she ended up winning both out of the primary in
the general election. What are your thoughts on that specific
example and my concerns about how this may harm Republicans.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I think that that the Alaska example, Ryan actually vindicates
ren choice voting because Sarah Palin had huge negatives in
that race, and because of those negatives, there were many
of her of other voters who decided to support the
moderate Democratic candidates in that final four general election. And

(04:15):
so and think and look at what happened. There were
three state wide elections in Alaska in twenty twenty two,
and they elected a very conservative Republican governor, a moderate
Republican US Senator incumbent Lusa mckowskie, and then Mary Patola,
as you point out, the Democratic congresswoman. Now some people
regard her as far left. I think she could be

(04:37):
accurately described as a leftist center Democrat. I don't think
she's a far lefty, but I think that the the
the system was vindicated. Now I will mention something else.
To be honest, there isn't a question on the Alaska
ballot in this election to repeal open primary rank choice voting.
I think that's a good thing that they're going to

(04:58):
get to vote because of If Alaskans reject the repeal attempt,
that's a vindication of the open primary rank choice voting.
If they accept it, so be if they rejected, are
they they reject? If they accept the repeal, So I
think that's good. It's going to be on the ballot
mostly what happens in November.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And then as far as my point about everywhere this
has been employed, it has hurt Republican candidates.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm not sure. I don't. I don't. I don't agree
with that.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Ryan in California is a very democratic state period. I mean,
they have a different process. They have a totally open
primary and the top two candidates, whoever they are going
to the general election. In this election, if there's a
Republican candidate. Steve Garvey, the former Los Angeles Dodgers Pitcher
running against the Adam Schiff, who I find kind of

(05:49):
deplorable as a as a candidate far left Democrats.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
But that's that's.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Who's that's who's those Those are the two competing for
that Senate seat this time. And so I do not
think we've seen the kind of democratic meaning that you're indicating.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
But Rian, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
What we know right now in Colorado is that both
parties are going to their extreme. So Democratic socialists are
increasingly influential in the Democratic Party. This stolen election conspiracy
crowd that Dave Williams and Tina Peters represents. They run
the Colorado Republican State Central Committee right now, and they're

(06:27):
moving the party to that direction. And I think this
is why we need this, because we need And the
other thing I'll mention too, Ryan, Remember primaries are taxpayer
paid for, tax payer paid for. I think to deny
any voter the ability to vote in any primary they
want to is wrong. And oneever example I'll throw at

(06:47):
you Virginia. The Virginia Republican Party decided to use rank
choice voting in their primary in twenty twenty one for
governor Virginia confers a huge amount of latitude to the
parties to decide how they nominate candidates for office statewide office. Well, frankly,

(07:08):
the Virginia Republican Party decided to use rank choice voting
because they're paying for it. The parties pay for their primaries.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
There.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Had ranked choice voting not been used in Virginia, a
state senator probably would have won that primary. And this
is a state senator who was a day after the
general election in twenty twenty called on President Trump, who
had just been defeated the day before, to cancel the
results of the election and to impose martial law on

(07:38):
the United States of America. That's how far to the
extreme she was. Instead of her winning the primary and
winning the nomination, a businessman with no previous political experience
with the name of Glenn Youngkin and you know that name,
he won the primary. He went on to upset a
former Democratic governor of Virginia, and he's been a very
successful governor of Virginia, a Republican governor of Virginia. And

(08:02):
that's a great And I talked to some Republican leaders
in Virginia, very conservative Republican leaders, and they They're the
ones who brought this to my attention about how Virginia
Republicans use this concept. It resulted in the nomination and
election of a Republican governor in Virginia. So I'm ready
to try it.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Dick Wadams, he's involved in this process of putting Proposition
one thirty one on the ballot and he does support it.
I am opening this conversation for you listeners out there
to make up your own minds. My last point here, Dick,
you and I are definitely of one mind that I
do not like the direction the leadership of the Republican
Party here in Colorado. I just think I'm more of

(08:42):
a Darwinist about it. And I'll explain, meaning, if Dave
Williams is going to run the party into the ground,
and those who would put him in power do so,
they do so at their own peril, and I would
rather watch it crash and burn to ashes and then
be forced to rebuild it from the ground up in
a way winning form that you were once a part of,

(09:02):
rather than enable them to have power and to put
up candidates and now they go to the general public.
In other words, I want a functional Republican Party that
selects its own candidates. I am a registered Republican. I
want Republicans to win. I have a very different kind
of vision than the far right elements that you're talking about, Dick,
that have taken control of the Colorado Republican Party.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I agree with you on that point.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I just think I want to watch them burn and
fail and have to, you know, start over again with
somebody else.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Good.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Good point, Ryan, Let me point something else out. If
one point thirty one goes down, that will further empowered
Dave Williams and his allies. So once again attempt to
cancel the twenty twenty six Republican primary, which they are
allowed to do under Colorado election laws. They got fifty

(09:55):
five percent of the State Central Committee to cancel the
twenty twenty four Republican primary. They fell short. They went
into court, tried to get the court to throw out
the seventy five percent rule. They tried to use Soviet
style methods to jiggle the numbers, to literally rig they
vote in the Republican State Central Committee to try to

(10:16):
get the seventy five percent. I have no doubt that
Dave Williams will have even more control of the State
Central Committee after members are elected in February of twenty
twenty five, and that they very possibly could get the
seventy five percent. Now, think about this, Ryan, And by
the way, if one thirty one is passed, they can't
do that because there is no more Republican primary. There's

(10:38):
one open primary.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
But think about it.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
One thirty one goes down Dave Williams and gets his
wish to get the seventy five percent, that means nine
hundred thousand Republicans will not be allowed to vote in
a primary election. One point eight million unaffiliated voters will
be denied the option of voting in a Republican primary election.
You talk about crashing and burning. I guess that's the

(11:01):
their hito that you lay out that that would that
would probably that would play itself out. But I got
to tell you, I think it's just wrong to cancel
a primary. If one thirty one goes down. That is
a real, real possibility.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
All right.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
He is very knowledgeable on this subject, and that's why
I turned to him to present that side of it
on Prop one thirty one ranked choice voting. Great information.
As always, Dick, appreciate your time and we'll see.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Where it goes, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Ryan.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
All right, Dick Wadam's right there, and we shift gears
now to George Brockler. G brock He's running in his
own race at George Brockler. You can find out online
George Brockler dot com for the twenty third Judicial District
District Attorney position. George, welcome back.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
It's great to be back. It's also really tough to
follow a guy like Dick Watams.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Well, I want to get your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Charge you humble yourself, but I mean you're knowledgeable on
a lot of these things in the political realm. Where
are you on rank choice voting on this Prop one
thirty one?

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (12:00):
You know the part that bothers me the most about
it is that last piece. It's that we're going to
send four names to the ballot and create a vehicle
by which the person who after the first round of voting,
the person who got the third most first place votes,
right like the bronze winner in the Olympics, that that
person could still end up getting the gold medal at

(12:22):
the end. It just doesn't make sense to me. I
think it's complicated, it's confusing. I think we got to
look to Alaska and see what they do. In part,
Alaska had adopted this, but there's now an effort to
repeal it out of their law on the ballot. Right now,
there's a lot to like about it. I appreciate the
idea of simplicity. I appreciate the idea of increasing participation.

(12:42):
But in no competitive world in America do I see
a third place person being able to win first place
unless the top two people were doping, you know what
I mean, Like, it just doesn't make sense to me
that that's how we're going to end up with the
best potential person. Having said that, when I see how
viscerally the Democrats are opposed to this, it does make

(13:04):
you go, well, maybe there's something to it, you know
what I mean, Like, maybe there's something to this that
the Dens hate it so much. They're in control of everything,
Like why would they hate something that made them better
or stronger? And maybe there's something to it.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, And it's weird the alliances that are being formed
both for and against this, George, because you mentioned the
Colorado Democratic Party is against it. However, Jared Polish and
John hickenloop are both former governors support it, So I
don't know. I'm still kind of twisted on the issue
a bit, but I lean toward where you're coming from
it from an intellectual standpoint that there's just something about
it and where I've seen it elsewhere. I don't like

(13:39):
the direction it's heading and I will likely vote no.
But again, I wanted to present Dick's side on that
there are two other ballot proposal initiatives that you have
strong feelings about, George, and to me, these are both
easy yes votes, and that's Colorado Prop One twenty eight
on parole eligibility, and then also Colorado Prop One point
thirty on law enforcement funding.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Take us through each one of those, George, and where
you are in those so.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
I may, I don't know what you call it, like
a co leader dude on one of these things, and.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
The one I think that's it.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
I don't know what the actual acronymselfs, but I think
it's cold cool, cool leader dude, and which is awesome.
But let me start with one thirty first. I think
what people need to understand about one thirty is this
is two things at once. It is an answer to
the anti law enforcement stuff that our left wing legislature
has dumped on us ever since George Floyd happened. And

(14:37):
if you doubted all the impact it had on law enforcement,
asked anybody outside of Douglas County, because they're backed out
on recruiting, But ask any other agency, how's recruiting going,
how's retention giring, how's training going. We now have a
law enforcement that is asked to do more based on
the crime in the area then they had been asked

(14:57):
to do in a long time with less resources and
less support. And so this is a way to answer
that and at the same time tie the hands of
the legislature right now. It doesn't create any new taxes.
There's no new impact on you and I. What this
law does is it tells the legislature you will take
three hundred and fifty million dollars one time, not every year,

(15:18):
one time, you will give it to the Department of
Public Safety to manage basically like grants to jurisdictions to
help them with the recruiting and the training and the retaining.
And oh, by the way, we're also going to throw
in there a million dollar death benefit for those officers
who die in the line of duty. And while I
was DA i had four of them. I had four

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officers killed in the line of duty, and this is
the kind of thing that you hope to put in
place so that your community begins once again to start
to attract the best of the best and maintain the
best of the best on the force. Some people have said, well,
I don't like giving the legislature this kind of control,
and I'm like, no, this is the absence of that.
You are taking control away from them of three hundred

(16:00):
and fifty million bucks they've already taken from us, and
told them, I don't want you to spend it on
coloring books, advocating for transitional sex change for Woodchucks, and
giving it out to kids in public school.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Instead, I want you to.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
Use it on law enforcement. And so I'm a big
proponent of one point thirty one.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Twenty eight is one.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
That I don't think people really appreciate. Ryan how jacked
up our sentencing scheme is here in the state of Colorado.
But right now, a violent criminal convicted of filling the blank,
an armed robbery, a violent assault with a weapon, home invasion, burglary,
different kinds of sexual assault, which is what we call RAKE,
they could potentially be eligible depending upon their conviction. If

(16:40):
they get violent crime condition, they could be potentially eligible
for parole and less than fifty percent of their sentence.
So we're used to Colorado. We read something like, oh
my gosh, dude got twenty years in prison.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Wow, that's really more like.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Nine and a half years in prison before they transition
to a halfway house, maybe even less than that. So
along comes the ledge to do nothing to address that,
but instead treat a bunch more crimes more leniently. So
now you've got advanced Colorado. Comes along they say we
want truth and sentencing, and if this thing passes, and
it should, it will mandate that violent criminals serve eighty

(17:15):
five percent of their time before they're parle eligible. Now
people may be asking, Ryan, oh my gosh, how is
that possible that someone make its twenty years serves less
than ten. It's because our system gives people automatically earned
time right off the top. They give violent criminals twenty
five percent of their sentence reduced as they walk out
of the court room, not for earning it, just for
being alive. Then they give them good time on a

(17:38):
regular basis, not because they've done anything good, but because
they haven't done anything bad, and when you do something
bad in prison, and people may not have heard these
shocking numbers, they are very reluctant to take away your
good time. For instance, if a guy in prison rapes
another inmate, ripes him right, they can lose up to
but no more than forty five days of good time.

(17:59):
If they gab and inmate, they can lose no more
than sixty days of good time. And if they murder
another inmate, they can lose no more than ninety days
of good time. Now, color me old school here, but
it seems to me that if you rape, stab, or
kill someone while you're in prison, maybe you lose all
the good time, you know what I mean? Like, maybe

(18:20):
that's really bad and we just don't give it. They
don't do that in prison, and that's why we need
this change.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Very aptly put and strong reasons to vote yes on
both of these again, I think they're no brainers and layups.
That's Prop one twenty eight on parole eligibility, which he
just broke down and discussed at great detail. And then
Prop one thirty law enforcement funding to encounter a lot
of this defund the police crap that we've been dealing
with like he said, since George Floyd so a strong

(18:48):
yes on both of those proposals on the ballot. George
Brockler also running his own race. You can find out
more about him in that twenty third Judicial District for
DA George Brockler dot com.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
George always great talking to you, Thank thank you so much.
Good luck over these last nineteen days.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
Thanks Ryan, Talk to you soon, George Brockler.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Right there, we'll take a time out. We'll switch gears.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Your chance to go see Carlos Mencia live at Comedy
Works South this weekend.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
He joins me after this on Ryan Shuling Live.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
The first time I met one I got off the planet.
I was performing in a place called Hoover, Alabama. Hoover, Alabama,
back in the day when I first started going there
had zero Latinos. Okay, I would perform and no Latinos would.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Come out because they weren't even there.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
Now so many Megicanos, now Mexicans, Mexicanos living Hoover, Alabama.
I swear to God, these rednecks renamed it Guada La Hoover.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
I can't even make that shit up.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
God damn Guadalala Hoover.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
And you can't get mad. That's even there, like no,
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Guada la Hoover?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
What a la Hoover. Now back on Ryan Shuling Live,
I play that clip in particular because our the next
guest that kind of overlaps his Alabama story with the
last comedian. I spoke with Derek Stroup, who is coming
to Denver and he's from Harvest, Alabama and coming to Denver,
Colorado by way of Greenwood Village is Carlos Mencia. And

(20:14):
of course you know the name. He is one of
the legends of comedy and he's coming to comedy work South. Carlos,
thank you so much for your time today.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Brother.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Now, geographically speaking, you just mentioned Alabama. You've played all
over the country and how different it must be to
have to present your act tailor it to an audience
and audiences that may never have seen you before a
story like that about Alabama. Are there other locales in
America that really stand out to you.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Like that that one was? It is a big one
just because it's Alabama. It's it's Hoover is like one
of the suburbs of Birmingham. Yeah, and so it's kind
of one of those places that you know, back in
the day, at least for anybody old in US, it
touched in your mind the dogs hoses the whole thing

(21:02):
with you know, racism. And so when a place like Hoover, Alabama, embraces,
you know, a whole thing of Mexican restaurants and and
you know final that he has and Karnai he has,
it's a really interesting it's a really interesting thing to
look at how it's evolved from one to the other.

(21:23):
Are there places like that? I'm sure, but not not
not like that, you know what I mean. It's very
unique into itself. That whole city rewarding actually to to
make people laugh, Yeah, because they're because they're you know,
they're they feel like they're different. So getting a room
in Alabama, just imagine, which is about thirty percent look,

(21:46):
you know, thirty percent white and thirty percent black, and
talking about racial issues, injecting that kind of stuff in there,
that is very rewarding. To have that moment where I'm
in it and they're in it and they're all laughing
at the exact same see ceiling, the exact same thing
is existing in the exact same moment. That's really rewarding.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Carlosmancia joining us, and it kind of dovetails into the
title of his entire tour, No Hate, No Fear, and
he's coming to Comedy Works South That starts tonight seven
thirty pm show and then two shows each Friday and
Saturday nights. The early ones will be at seven point
fifteen on Friday and Saturday, and.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
The late ones.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'll be going to the late one on Friday at
nine forty five. So, Carlos, you mentioned the racial diversity
of your audiences. You have fans all across the spectrum
when it comes to that, and then over the years,
how we've evolved on that front and how we respond
to comedy, and maybe how your comedy has either stayed
the same or changed with it. How would you describe

(22:43):
the evolution of your comedy over all these years.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
So at first I was I've always been honest about
what I seen, can ceiling see on stage? What changed
was in the beginning of my career. I assume that
everybody under stood that I'm a comedian that as a comedian,
I want to make you laugh. I don't want to
hurt your feelings. I don't want to. You know, when

(23:07):
people say edgy comedy, that's other people. We write jokes,
we write truths that are funny. That's where we live.
So my job was to make people laugh. And I
assume that they understood that that it's coming from a
good place. I think that now I realize that it's
especially in comedy and especially forgive me right now, comedians

(23:31):
have been turned into these cool people that say things.
So once you take a joke out of the realm
of the comedy of it, sure it can be a
cerbic and it can be cool, and it can sound bad,
but that's never its intent. And so now I make
a point like to tell people like now, if you're
easily offended or have sacred cows, I am not the

(23:54):
comedian for you. Come back and see somebody who's led
up of really nice, middle class life doesn't have a
lot of angst, you know, who led a life like
Jerry Seinfeld and will write jokes like Jerry Seinfeld because
that's what they grew up with. Right, I'm curious, blah
blah blah blah. You know, I don't. Those little things

(24:14):
didn't mean anything to me growing up. I was poor.
You know, some of my family were illegals, some of
my family were not. So just saying, hey, we're going
to go to a party, who are we gonna put
you know, am I going to take responsible if you
get pulled over? Like little things like that became huge.
Hey we are you know, we want to go to
San Diego. Well they can't go to San Diego because
then there's a checkpoint on the way up. And those guys,

(24:35):
you know, like those things to us were one of
the little things that we had to go through. So
I'm a guy who's been shot at more times than
I can come because I grew up actually, you know,
got shot with a bullet in my leg when I
was when I was younger, been stabbed three times twice
by family members with forks. When you live that kind

(24:58):
of life, what is what is funny? What I have
to make funny right, is way different than what somebody
who grew up in Aurora has to make funny. I
have to make funny the fact that my parents had
a lot of kids, and my parents did us that
my parents when I was communicative, the fact that they
didn't always know how to say I love you yet
I didn't realize I was born to got older because

(25:19):
we always had something to eat. You know, those are
the things that are important and relevant for me to
talk about. And what I've realized is, when done right today,
comedy takes pretty much two kinds of people. The people
that when you talk about them, go, oh God. I
don't want to hear any of this. I don't want

(25:39):
this reflection of who I am in front of my face.
I don't want to see any flaws or any comedic imperfections.
And the other people who say, hey, I heard that
you do jokes about these people. I'm those people. I'm here.
Please tell the joke. You know I'm a blank, Please
tell that joke. I've been getting into talking about my Ani,

(26:00):
who's my godmother, who has cerebral palsy, and so I've
had a lot of people recently, a lot come to
shows with Paulsy and they make sure to tell me
before the show, we're here. Please don't ignore us, like,
please talk about us, Please talk about your experiences with us.
And I think that what they're doing is they're trusting
that I'm not just gonna make fun of them. You

(26:23):
know what I mean that I'm not gonna be cool
or angry or mean that they're gonna be stories about
my humanity, their humanity. Sometimes in stories, I'm the bad guy.
Sometimes in story they're the bad guy. But that's what
they want to see, do you know what I mean.
They don't want to be depicted as these perfect themes
that do nothing wrong. They want to be depict that

(26:45):
it's human. And so what's changed for me specifically is
I now tell people, like in the beginning of my shows, hey,
if you're easily offended, please leave. And it's because I
care about your time. I care about you. I care
enough to know that I'm not for you. This is
who I am, this is what I represent. But once
you buy into that, it's such a beautiful, cathartic thing

(27:09):
to watch everybody just give in to the laughter and
begin to see the difference between comedy and anger, between
racial and racist, between anger and an elevated aggressiveness. You know,
all of this stuff becomes comedic s fodder. And I
think that's where I'm living right now, and I think

(27:29):
people need that. People need to be told you're not
a bad person because you laughed. It's a mechanism that
we use you know I was abused as a child,
and I do jokes about it on stage, and there
are people that come up to me and say, hey,
I can't believe that you would minimize that and talk
about it on stage as if it's a joke. And
then I say to them, well, what would you rather

(27:49):
have me do? Do what I just did and laugh
about it, or internalize the pain and realize that the
vast majority is not the majority. It's not all of
abusers were abused. So I don't want to become an
abuser because I was abused. I'd rather to be a
comedian and do jokes about it. That's the way I

(28:10):
heal myself. That's how I heal. If you heal that way,
come and see me. If you don't heal that way,
I'm not the guy for you. And that's okay. But
that's what's changed today that I'm not selling it the
way I used to, and I'm just in the moment
and it's like, look, if you're here, we're going to
have the best time ever. If you're not, move on

(28:30):
and don't get in the way of us having a
good time.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Stay tuned for your chance to win tickets to see
Carlos Mencia, who you're hearing from there either late show
Friday or Saturday nights of the nine and forty five, those
will be your chance to win.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Kelly's going to come up with a question as we go.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
To break after our conversation here with Carlos. You remember
him from Mind of Mencia that was on Comedy Central,
a great show in and of its own right. He
made his debuts on in Living Color, a classic all
time show. There, the Arsenio Hall Show, and Evening at
the Improv. So, Carlos, you really have you seen? You've
done it all. And the final question I have for
you kind of follows up on what you just mentioned,

(29:05):
and that's the state of comedy on the whole, and
how important I feel that it is and how important
I feel comedians like you are that.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Have been through all the wars, all the battles, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
And I want to go to the example of Dave
Chappelle and he faced the controversy about making jokes, let's say,
about trans people, and his argument was it was to
your point, including them and putting them on a level
playing field and humanizing them to a large degree, Like
you said, you're not punching down at them. You're bringing
them into the conversation, the arena and including them. And

(29:37):
I think that's so important, don't you.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Not only that, but think about the word itself, the
phrase itself punching down, The phrase itself punching down assumes.
It presumes that you either placed me above those people
or I do yep, and I don't. I don't understand
punching down. I don't get it. I don't understand what

(30:00):
that means. When I do jokes about me and my family.
It's okay. Self deprecating humor is okay. Self deprecating humor
can be just as are hurtful sometimes as anything else.
And yet you know, I can go up there and
talk about how I'm overweight and blah blah blah. But
the minute I talk about how you're overweight, that's when
the line gets crossed. And that's a hypocrisy. And I

(30:22):
think that right now, what's happening in comedy is we're
going we're referring to shows for those people. So now
they have LGBTQ shows, Now they have urban shows, Now
they have Latino shows. Now they have the Asian Invasion,
Now they have you know the grind from India, And
so now all of a sudden, instead of hey, come

(30:43):
and see funny stuff, it's are you this? Then come
and see vishow because this show is for you. And
you go to those shows and they do all the
jokes about themselves, about their groups, about lg You go
to an LGBTQ show and you will hear the F
word more than you will any hetero or whatever none
LGBTQ show. And then I see that and I say, no, no, no, no,

(31:08):
that's not what we've been fighting for. We haven't been
fighting so that we could go toward the corners and
I can do Latino sos and say, oh god, I
don't want to perform at the Landmark. That's far from
all the Latinos on Colfax. Nown not. Let me just
one on Larimer because that's closer to the people that
speak Spanish and nick Taker's and burritos, and those are
my people, and that's what I want to perform to.

(31:30):
I think that we're diverting now and it's bad, and
weave the truthtellers are needed, but we're also the valves.
We're also the valve for people that are angry that
are taking life a little too serious, and then we
go and we do a joke about that, whether it's
about somebody who's had to eat new president. Thank god,

(31:51):
we could do a joke about it because he's not dead.
So that's a good thing. Right, we can say whatever.
You know, those things are necessary for some of us,
not for everybody, but for those that need it. Yeah,
this comedy is necessary. And we're not supposed to go
to our own corners. We're supposed to get together and

(32:12):
like laugh at ourselves and each other so that we
can grow past that stupidity of if you're this, you
can do that joke. Like I jokingly told my wife,
I said, you know, I'm gonna have to get some
side girls. I hope you don't get offended. And she's like,
what did you say. I'm like, well, the new comedy
rules are I can only do jokes about people that
I'm with, for people that I am. So I'm a Latino,

(32:35):
I can do Latino jokes. You're wide of Europing descent.
I could do those jokes, but that's it. I said,
So if I want to do black jokes and Asian
jokes and at least your jokes and Indian jokes. I
gotta get some side girls that I could say, no, no, no, no,
my side growth no no, no, she's Indo. I can
do these jokes. I promise you can let it. It
becomes so stupid and it's soap an time. You know.

(32:56):
I tell people right now, when I started doing stand up,
I did jokes or thenes that I don't do anymore
because America changed. Back when I started doing stand up
in the eighties and nineties, one of my biggest themes
was what happens to Latinos in the future, because every
movie about the future within those two decades had no
Latinos in it. Star Wars Star Trek had no Latinos

(33:19):
the series or the movies. Star Wars two, episode four, five,
and six no Latinos, and Star Wars did something really interesting.
They made me, as a Latino, feel as this there
was a Latino on there subliminately without telling me. He
was brown, he was a mechanic, he rolled his r's

(33:40):
and his name was Chewing. But seriously, Chulius has suis
and if you like even think about it, Chuie had
that that thing across his chest like the Mexican Bandoleros
used to have with the rulle's going across. It is

(34:01):
literally no. I can't tell you that they did that
conscious or subconsciously, but I can tell you that my
subconscious caught it really quickly. But we didn't go from
that to exis to day. I can't tell those jokes
because Mandalorian is a Latino actor, Ahsoka is a Latino actor.
Moonnight is a Latino actor. So now things have changed

(34:24):
and we are the most integrated country in the world.
We are the most mixed country in the world, the
least tracist country on the world, you know, but nobody
wants to talk about that because everybody wants to talk
about the little moments they had or whatever. You know.
It's it's the victim of America and the legal alien
took my job. And I'm like, how bad was your interview?

(34:47):
For a second? You lost your time to somebody to
chance to be English in Oklahoma, and you want me
to feel sorry for you. I literally want to know
what you said in English that was so horrible That
human resource in Tulsa really said, do we have a
number to that one guy that answered none of our questions?
And that's who took your job, Like, we have to

(35:08):
begin to humanize all of these people, and a big
part of it is doing it through comedy because nobody
else can do it, and casters can't do it. Philosophers can,
But who reads those books? I would venture to say
that that Richard pryor George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, that Chris Rock,

(35:28):
they suppel those guys have done more in that realm
than Kerouac and Nietzsche have done in our recent And
if you go back to you know, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates,
those guys who mirrored and mimic society and show people
who we were. Who does that today better than comedians?
Nobody does, because through the joke, through the veil of

(35:51):
the joke, we can still tell truths, We can still
be honest. It's just gotta be funny. You know, it's
got to have a a thing to it. Like the
other day I was on stage and some young kids said,
you don't understand, and I said, no, you don't understand. Look,
I know that everybody wants to feel like they had
it bad. You know. It's kind of one of those

(36:12):
things where if you go to a party and you
tell a story about how something happened to you that
was bad. Just walk away and come back, and every
single story will get worse and worse. So you'll say, like,
oh my god, one time my friend ran over my foot,
you know, with his car when we were trying to
fix the standing, and oh blah blah blah blah. All
of a sudden, you walk away and come back twenty

(36:33):
minutes later, and somebody's like, man, they almost chop my
arm off. Everybody wants to one up each other in
these stories, and that's that's how they get big. And
it's up to us to kind of make make those
things funny and palatable and bring them back to reality.
So this kid says to me, you know, hey, we

(36:55):
have it bad. I go, are you kidding me? You
have some one thing that as a kid, every kid
that I grew up with who was kind and smart,
wish we had Google. Do you have any idea of
what it's like for your parents to tell you some
stuff they do know is wrong but you can't prove it.
Wear us today every child can go. My seven year

(37:16):
old the other day, Good Friday, seven years old, he
asked me something about a car, and I know a
little bit about cars. So I go, no, Son, that's
not the this class, that's that class, and that one
only has four hundred and three horse power. Nope, that
it has five hundred and four. Okay, it doesn't. Okay.

(37:37):
He runs Alexa, Alexa. He asks Alexa the question, and
I'm sitting there going, thank God, I'm an intelligent dad
who actually knows the answer to some of these questions.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Carlos Bencia, you can see, no hate, no fear. You
get your free passes for the nine forty five shows
Friday and Saturday nights. Well, the Kelly question as we
go to break in the end of the show here, Carlos,
it's truly been an honor out of privilege.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I look forward to seeing you tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I can't wait, my friend. It's going to be an
amazing show man. It's going to be incredible.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Looking forward to that, and you can find out more
at comedyworks dot com. We're going to end the show
on that note, Kelly and need Jay to have a
question for the listeners as we go to break here
about Carlos that they can win, and we'll need your
name first and last, your cell phone number, and whether
you want to go to Friday or Saturday Night's late
shows at nine forty five. If you had the correct
answer to.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
This, what Star Wars character did Carlos compare to Mexecure.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yes, that's it. Give us an answer five seven, seven,
three nine.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Pick the show you want to go to nine forty five,
either Friday or Saturday night. First and last name with
your cell phone number. I'll get you on the winners list.
That'll do it for us. From here for now, Ryan
Schuling live back with you tomorrow here on six thirty
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