Don Barnes, co-founder, lead vocalist, and guitarist for .38 Sprecial joins Ryan is promoting the group's new album "Milestone" (Street Date: Sept.19). "Milestone" celebrates .38 Special’s 50th ANNIVERSARY and is their first new music in over 20 YEARS. It features guests and co-writing credits with Pat Monahan (Train) and Randy Bachman (Bachman Turner-Overdrive / The Guess Who), and longtime collaborator Jim Peterik (Survivor, Sammy Hagar, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Cheap Trick). View the video for the first single, "All I Haven't Said" - HERE.
After 50 years together, 20 MILLION albums sold and more than 15albums of guitar-driven southern rock, stacked high with hits like “Hold On Loosely,” “Caught Up In You,” “Rockin' Into the Night,“ “If I'd Been The One,” “Back Where You Belong,”and “Second Chance” - 38 Special is proof that there’s strength in numbers. In 2025, .38 Special’s relentless touring schedule has found them sharing the stage with Kansas, Dave Mason, The Outlaws and Jefferson Starship, Styx and John Waite among others.
Russell Waldman, pro-Israel citizen journalist, shares his thoughts on the October 7, 2023 terrorist attacks by Hamas against Israel, two years later.
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After 50 years together, 20 MILLION albums sold and more than 15albums of guitar-driven southern rock, stacked high with hits like “Hold On Loosely,” “Caught Up In You,” “Rockin' Into the Night,“ “If I'd Been The One,” “Back Where You Belong,”and “Second Chance” - 38 Special is proof that there’s strength in numbers. In 2025, .38 Special’s relentless touring schedule has found them sharing the stage with Kansas, Dave Mason, The Outlaws and Jefferson Starship, Styx and John Waite among others.
Russell Waldman, pro-Israel citizen journalist, shares his thoughts on the October 7, 2023 terrorist attacks by Hamas against Israel, two years later.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Time that the new single all I Haven't Said from
thirty eight Special.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You have not heard from them in a little over
twenty years. This from their new album Milestone, and it
is exactly that. Back here on Ryan Schuling Live, they
are celebrating thirty eight Special, their fiftieth anniversary with their
first new music. This entire album made possible by the
founder of the group and the lead singer who you
just heard, the legendary Don Barnes, joins us. Don, thank
(00:47):
you so much for your time.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Hey, Ryan, thanks for hanging out with me today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Absolutely lots of questions. We'll try to get them all in.
I know our listeners are curious, but the first of
which is why that song, why this album?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Why?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
No, Well, it was a fiftieth anniversary. It was a
big milestone. I couldn't take of any better word to
call it than milestone. But we hadn't put out anything
for a long time. The live music had kind of
gone through the roof everybody's running up and down these highways,
and we had never gone away.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
We do over one.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Hundred cities a year, so almost just taking care of
our people. We've got sixteen guys out here on the
road crew guys and their families all rely on this
enterprise to keep solving and keep my crew paid and
all that. But we were just busy, you know, just
and the fiftieth anniversary was coming up and our manager said,
(01:39):
you know, you probably should have some new music. I thought,
oh yeah, that's a pretty daunting task between hundred cities.
So we were having to do it in different phases.
I would get off the road. We did it in
Collective Soul Studio in South Atlanta. It was near the airport,
so these guys, the Florida guys, and you know, we
jump in and would do three basic tracks and then
(01:59):
go out and do fifteen cities and come back and
do three more basic tracks. So it was all these
different phases of things, but.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It was really a good time.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
The element of desperation is gone after all these years.
Young bands they have that desperation please like us, please
buy this. We don't have anything to fall back on you.
But after all these years, we just went in there.
I said, just have a good time, let your parts evolve.
These guys are top ros, and I never had to
say anything to them. I'd go and sit down a
(02:28):
little keyboard.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And say, well, it kind of goes like this.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
So they just took their parts and developed them out
and we recorded it all live, all together in a
room with a big studio with the room Mike's turned
up and just got that live bomb basket kind of sound,
you know. And then I ended up going doing overdubs.
I had to fly to Chicago. I had the off
season the winter, and Jim Peterich is a longtime friend
(02:55):
and songwriter. We did all the stuff back in the
eighties and I wanted to kind of come full circle. Anyway,
I'm up there in his studio, and of course wrong place.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
To be in January in Chicago, a lot of ice,
ice storms and all that, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
But anyway, we did vocals and harmonies there and it
was so funny to be in little vocal boots with
the window out there and you see it snowing, and
you know, I've got the I'm putting the final touches
on harmonies, and I've got I've got we've got shows
lined up, and I've got the driver sitting out there
with the motor running taking me to the airport.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So it was one of those things that you get
it all in.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
But we it was a labor of love and we
met the moment and you know, we're glad.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
To have this release out. It is really exciting for us.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It came out in September again, the album Milestone. Don
Barnes our guest lead singer, frontman, co founder of thirty
eight Special. You remember their hits from the seventies, Rocking
into the Night, my personal favorite, he Got hold On Loosely,
(04:39):
Caught Up in You. And if I had asked a
(05:08):
young Don Barnes fifty years ago, you're still young at heart.
I know that, but that you would be creating new
music and a new album fifty years later in the
calendar you're twenty twenty five. What would nineteen seventy five
Don Barnes upset?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's pretty amazing, man, I tell you.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
We know we were young boys with a dream. We
were all neighborhood guys. We started out and made all
our mistakes in public, and you know, it didn't happen overnight.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
It took us a lot of failure.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
We had several three albums that went straight over the cliff.
You know, we thought we would, you know, bust the
world wide open, but you know, it doesn't happen like that,
I don't really recommend it just two young guys, because
you've got to sacrifice everything, holidays, anniversaries. You have to
be about five steps ahead of yourself. So to think
(05:55):
about fifty years from then, you just you just take
it one day at a time and try to improve.
And of course, you know if you have if you
have failure, you pick yourself up and you learn from
the experience.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Just like anything in life. You know, you cut.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Improve and get better at it and learn as you go.
And so you know, I'll tell these young guys, if
you absolutely have to do it, that's one thing. But
if you've got any more stability in life to fall
back on, is you know, good with your hands and
carpentry or schooling or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But you can give one.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Hundred and ten percent in this business and still not
make it. So there's no guarantees out there. That's the scene.
And like you said that, that element of desperation is
gone now.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
But early guys, you're.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Desperate because you have nothing to fall back on. It's
one of those things, like I said, don't know, I
don't mean to sound discouraging, but you.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Know, it's it's just a long, hard road and as
Don mentioned, he is on that long hard road on
tour in the midst of this going to Longview, Texas,
after Miramar Beach, Florida this upcoming weekend, then onto Bellevueville,
Texas and a Little Rock, Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
A couple of dates still to be determined on the
twenty twenty six portion of this tour, but you'll be
going to Greenville, Tennessee in February, Deadwood, South Dakota, and April.
And I got to ask done, might there be a
stop in Colorado soon after that?
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, absolutely, We've got some Mannic fans out there in
Denver re recorded the remember the old Rainbow Music Hall,
I think it's gone, yeah, bring tore it down.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
But that was MTV.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
They We were the thirteenth video in the first day
of MTV, and our manager said this, this cable channel
wants to come out to Denver and they want to
bring your own camera crew and they want to film
you guys live and see. Back then MTV didn't have
any content. They would have to send their own camera
crew to film live show so they could air them
twenty four hours a day on their new cable channel.
(07:52):
And I thought, yeah, at the time, I thought, well,
it was weird a cable channels where they want to
come film us, Sure, go ahead, you know. And they
came out and I remember reading the card. The guy
wanted me to read something from the camera, and I said,
you're watching MTV. You'll never hear music the same way again.
And I thought it was such a strange little slogan.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I guess I should have bought stock at the time,
back in those days.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
But yeah, like I said, timing was never on our side,
but for one time, timing was with us. So they
came out and filmed the show, and Hold On Loosely
the live version was out there, and it's got two
hundred million streams now on YouTube and all that, you know.
So it's pretty pretty weird how things come through all.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The decades like that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Don Barnes joining us frontman for thirty eight special and
as he mentioned, the thirteenth video ever to play on
the opening day. I remember that I was a little guy,
but it was hold On Loosely. It was thirteenth. The
first one was video Killed the Radio Star by the Buggles.
Now let's take a look. I listen rather to one
of the other new tracks from the upcoming album Milestone.
(08:58):
It was dropped in September, and this was in collaboration
with Train. It's called slightly Controversial. Now don you mentioned videos,
(09:26):
there's one to accompany this one. And again, as I said,
that features Trained, take us through that track.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Yeah, Pat and Pat had recorded to Hold On Loosely
with Joe Bonamassa, and they had released the YouTube and
it got like a million hits or something. But in
the midst of me touring and doing this album, I thought,
you know, I'm going to reach out to his manager
see if he'd like to come sing.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And do it with it with me, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And the manager got back said he absolutely would love
to do it. He was a lifelong fan, and so
he came in. He just crushed it, you know. He
brought all that soul full ad libs and I'd send
him two songs. One was a little more Mile and
he said that's okay.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
What else do you have? I said, well, I've got
this other song.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
It's pretty angular and rude, and he said, oh yeah,
let's go with the rude one. He came in and said,
we had a great time. So I made a new
friend and I told him, I said, between the two
of us, we could probably scare up a pretty good
song if we want to do some writing in the future.
He said absolutely, So we look forward to that opportunity
in the future.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Here Pat Monahan from Train also collaborations with Randy Bachman
of course Bachman, Turner, Overdrive and the guests who And
I want to dig a little bit deeper into your
relationship with Jim Peterick done in all the work that
he's done over the years with Survivor, Sammy Hagar, Lenyard Skinner,
cheap Trick, But what made your duo unique and how
(10:47):
that all came together?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
He was, He's, of course a brilliant hardness. He writes
songs every day. I don't do that every day. But
I told him, See, he's obsessed. I said, but that
was a way by back in the you know, early eighties,
and you know, he had done Rocking into the Night
and the scratchy demo that they left off on the
Survivor album. The producer didn't feel like it was right,
(11:12):
and you know, my manager said, and we had we
had done Rocking to the Night. We recorded one day
and you know, opened the doors at radio a little
bit it got it, you know, I think it was
like number it's in the top forty. But uh, you know,
at the time, we my manager said, would you like
to write with that guy that did rock and is
for sure? We went up to Chicago. Outside of Chicago,
(11:33):
and the very first day we met him and we
sat at his kitchen table and we got the old
boom boxes and all that, but those tools we used
back then. And he said, so, how you guys been doing?
And I said, what is it about people that can't see?
I was going through a relationship that was kind of
going south? And I said, what is it about people
that they can't seem to tolerate their differences? They try
(11:54):
to change the other one, They want to keep them
under their thumb. And I said, and I had my
notebooks open there. Every song writer has these little tools
of lines and titles and that kind of thing. And
I looked down the notebook, I said, what do you
think about.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
This title hold on Loosely? And he said, oh yeah,
but don't let go. That was the first couplet perfect
book in.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And it said everything in two lines.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
It said the whole story about how you're supposed to
give each other space to breathe and be themselves, and
so we about an hour and a half later, that
song was finished. And it's been an anthemic song for
this band all these years.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
We save it for the end.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
It's like the cherry on top. People come up and
say that song meant so much to our relationship and
the marriage and that kind of thing. I'm like, really,
because we weren't trying to do that. We were just
trying to get on the radio. So it was just
one of those things that just happened the first day
and then we were always we found that that chemistry
(12:51):
was so great. And I've written with all different artists
through the years, but that chemistry with Jim Peter, it's
just it's just wide open and he's so giving. He's
a great artist. You can bring a little bit of
an idea that you're kind of unsure about, and it
always takes that other person to validate it. For one thing,
and you think, oh yeah, he's like he's really excited
(13:13):
about anything, and say oh yeah, we could do that,
and we could do this, you know, and he gets excited.
You think, man, we're all for the races here. We're
going to create something great. So he's been my old
friend all these years. And got up there last January
and had a lot of laughs and had a glass
of wine, we went.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Out to dinner.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
And this songwriting shouldn't be a drudgery, you know, it
should be a good time.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So he's always been a good time there.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
John Barnes, lead man for thirty eight Special, his collaboration
that he just illuminated us with Jim Peterick. Final question,
I know your time is short. We really appreciate it done.
And that is we talked about the struggling years in
the mid seventies when you're first starting off as a group.
You didn't know if you're going to make it. You
don't know if you're going to get down the radio.
You said the first couple of albums you kind of
went off the cliff on it. But that particular song,
(13:59):
I just want to follow up on hold on loosely.
When you got done composing it, performing it, recording it,
did you know you had a hit on your hands
or was that something that.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
You didn't know until it happened Now it was among
a group of songs, you know, one of those things
where you're trying to put an album out of your A.
Songs you want don't want to be material. You want
a so you keep your standards high. So this was
part of all a lot of other songs had different
styles and it was pretty diverse, but no, you didn't
really feel like, first of all, the song is pretty simple.
(14:30):
It's just linear. It's as the chorus chords or the
same chords as the verse chords, so it kind of
moves through a line. But sometimes the beauty is the
simplicity of something. You know, It's like a painter that
one broad stroke and instead of trying to paint every
leaf on the tree, sometimes it's the broad stroke, say
it all.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And you leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So, you know, simplicity isn't the beauty of things. So
we tried to keep it less is more and not
load it up. You know, there's before that we had
put everything but the kitchen sink, and there was too
much information for the listener, and we stripped everything down
to down to eight notes and a good we call
a muscle and melody. You know, anything he's got a
good guitar, aggressive guitar in your face, with a good story,
(15:15):
good melody over the top.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
We were working through the eighties and we were big
fans of the arena rock guys back then, the Foreigner
and Bad Company and you know, Boston and just.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Everybody back then.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
So we wanted to get outside of just the Southern
rock genre and that we were the ones that did
lift up. And we have actually had more hits than
all those southern rock bands combined. So I was more
of an attensive student of good songwriting and good choruses
that lifted up out of the song and really made
you feel it and lifts everybody up listening to it
(15:52):
too as well.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
To make that connection.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The new album Milestone, marking the fiftieth anniversary of the
all time great seventies rock band thirty eight special frontman
co founder Don Barnes joining us here. We'll let them
get back on tour. He's got a lot of places
to go, and Don, we really hope you come to
Colorado in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Absolutely be looking out for us. We'll be headed that way.
And I appreciate you having me on, Ryan, and I
just want to say to everybody, thank you for making
us a part of your lives.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
All these years.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
It's changed our life. It's our fiftieth anniversary. Check out
the new album. It's pretty diverse. Takes you for a ride,
just like our shows, or we try to take them
for a ride.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So I appreciate you having me on Ryan.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Thanks so much, Absolutely the legendary Don Barnes and you
can find that album Milestone on Spotify, Amazon Music, Apple Music,
all of the above on your favorite platform. Don Barnes
lead man for thirty eight Special, whatever.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
You want to call me, Zionist baby this anything you
want to I am begging you right.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Now, all of us, all of you, all of us,
the entire world, for Hamasta.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Please take this deal for everybody to encourage that, because
if it's not taken now, if you think it's been bad,
it is going to get bad for the people that
you say you care so much about.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I'm saying that from the bottom of my heart.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Michael Rapaport a pro Israel Jewish comedian who has made
a lot of headlines in his own right calling out
anti Semitic elements of the left, especially with the college
campus protests, you know, globalize the Intifada. These young people,
this would be a kind explanation that they're just merely ignorant,
they don't know what they're talking about. But the more
(17:36):
sinister explanation, which may be true in many cases, is
that they know exactly what they're talking about and they're
perfectly comfortable with it. Very excited to announce that Michael
Rappaport will be joining me live in studio on Thursday,
and Christian Toto Hollywood Intoto dot com will be joining
me for that exclusive interview and conversation with the comedian
(17:58):
who is coming to Comedy Works South just so happens
to be this weekend, and really looking forward to that conversation.
I know many of you will be as well. Michael
Rappaport Comedy Works Out this weekend and Ryan Schuling Live
on Thursday during the two o'clock hour, Well joining us now.
He is my go to for all issues Israel. He
(18:18):
is a Zionist as I am, and a follower of
the Jewish faith himself. He is a citizen journalist who
has been documenting in real time the anti Semitism that
has unfortunately been a scourge on our country ever since
this day exactly two years ago. It predates that, of course,
but this kind of opened the veil October seventh, twenty
(18:42):
twenty three, and what happened in the immediate aftermath of that.
I will let him tell that story. My good friend
rus Waldman joins us on Ryan Schuling Live. Russ.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Welcome, hey, Ryan, thanks for having me again.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Absolutely, and it marks two years to the day that
the attacks on Israel by the terrorist regime that ISS
happened and when they were happening. I want to go
back in real time to two years ago, Russ. My
buddy Hutch was visiting. We were preparing to go to
a concert band the Loves Tool that weekend, and we
woke up to this news. And I was under the
(19:14):
naive assumption that the entire world, the Western world, the
civilized world, would react with one voice in condemning it.
But I was very mistaken, and you found that out
firsthand on a walk yourself. The day was the day
of or the day after the day of the day
of it. So it's happening in real time, as I
just described, with my experience. Take us through what you observed,
(19:37):
what happened in the confrontation that you had.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So I was driving past the State Capitol building on Broadway.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
You know, as I'd been watching the news.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
And everything unfolding in the morning and saw what I
can only describe this celebration happening on the Capitol steps,
involving about thirty people chanting and waving Palestinian flags. I
was outraged by that and thought I needed to step
out and you know, document what was happening and talk
(20:12):
to them and see if they knew what the situation was.
At that point, you know, after trying to speak to
the organizer, I was pulled aside by somebody who turned
out to be then Colorado Assemblyman Tim Hernandez, who made
it very clear on the video that later went viral
(20:34):
that they knew exactly what was happening. They fully acknowledged
that women and children and elderly people were being raped
and murdered in the streets, and that was what they
considered to be the liberation of Palestine, and it was
worth celebrating.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'm going to pull up some of that sound in
just a moment. But Tim Hernandez, who you mentioned, would
eventually get primary and out of that seat. I believe
he was appointed to that seat, so he never won
an election, never really stood the test of the voters there.
But take us through that conversation as it escalated, Russ
and what you were anticipating then what was happening? I
(21:11):
got to imagine you were just questioning in your own mind,
like is this guy really serious?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Well, I wanted to figure out if he knew what
was happening right I showed up there, and you know,
he pulls me aside because he didn't want me talking
to the guy who was leading all the chance for
into Fada into Fada and from the river to the sea.
And he pulls me aside and introduces himself as a
(21:39):
state assemblyman, and he came off as you know, a
young guy, you know, your your average you know ds
a socialist, you know, mid twenties idiots, and and so
I I wanted to understand this, he know what's happening
(22:01):
right now? Does he know what he's celebrating? And you've
seem a full video you say it doesn't actually start
at the beginning of my interaction with him, because in
the beginning of my interaction is just trying to figure out,
do you know what's happening right now? Why are you
out here? And once that became clear that he knew
exactly what was happening. Then I told him, I'm going
to start recording this because I want people to see
(22:22):
what you have to say. And that's when that interaction
began on camera.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Here's the tail end of that and again our guest
Russ Waldman. This video went viral and it really did
not reflect well upon the subject of the video, and
that was Tim Hernandez, one of the members of the
state House here in Colorado. Well, I've already answered that much,
and unfortunately, I'm not interested in you're treating me in
a way that's disrespectful to anybody. I didn't just speak toiously.
(22:49):
I didn't come here on this time. What's that down
with you? I came down from up to these people
to have the rights of process. Nobody's interfering with the
rights to protest, und I'm expressing my right to disagree
with it. And I think it's despicable w they're protesting
for protesting gratulations and the fact that you can't condemn
women and children and elderly people being all over it
in the streets.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
What about it?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Do you condemn it? I already said, why can't you
say yes?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Because I already gave you my answer.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You didn't give an answer, and every I think anybody
who watches would understand what.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, all three people, Paul the Great sounds good. Let
us know what they think at all?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Oh, the condescension and the arrogance of Hernandez there Russ.
So he said, there would be three people to view
that video. Do you have a number of people roughly
that have seen that video since.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I stopped keeping track when it was around ten or
twelve million?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Talk about your all time backfires from Big Gilmore. But
on a serious note, obviously here Russ, he asked, what
about it? You talked about the death of civilian, of women, children, elderly.
He just says, what about it? But this cold callous reaction, unfortunately,
would not be limited to this one exchange that you
(24:09):
had with him. But we would watch unfold over calendar
year twenty twenty four, during an election year. And I
have to believe that this adversely affected Democrats and it should.
Was rampant anti semitism on our college campuses that was
not only green Lid, but it was kind of endorsed
in many ways by the faculty on campus that sympathized
with the cause. The intimidation of Jewish students on campuses,
(24:34):
all in the name of globalizing the Intafada from the
river to the sea, and a free state of Palestine
where there was no mention. And a lot of times
this is getting lost in the sauce here too, russ
of October seventh happened, twelve hundred Jewish Israelis lost their
lives on that day, and scores of others were kidnapped,
others were raped. I mean, this is all put aside
(24:56):
by the likes of Rashida Talib and the far left
that just kind of overlook the fact that October seventh
actually happened two years ago on this day. How do
you explain this rampant anti semitism in our country.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Well, I don't think it's a coincidence. We should be
reminding ourselves today. This was not just an attack on Israel.
This was the deadliest attack on Americans since nine to eleven.
I mentioned, you know the Palestinian groups that you know
we're involved in this. You know, the four biggest ones
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were Hamas PIJ, the PFLP, and the DFLP. Two of
those are Islamists, two are Marxist Leninists that toxic alliance
of what are essentially deaf cults that threatens Israel is
the same one that is currently threatening America and Christian institutions.
I don't think it's any coincidence that the Annunciation Catholic
church shooter had anti Semitic language carved into his rifle.
(25:55):
I don't think it's a coincidence that the same people
who justified October seventh justified the ass nation of Charlie Kirk,
or that the Antifa rioters were Kefias and Kerry Palestinian flags,
or that it was, you know, with Kim Hernandez, a
Democratic Socialist of America, that we're celebrating on the capital
steps of the Colorado Assembly as the massacre was happening.
(26:16):
We're fighting the same enemy, and I think those who
attack our alliance with Israel are giving aid and comfort
to them.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I want to bring it to our country as well.
Russ Waldman our guest citizen journalist. He does a fine job,
and you can follow him on x as well at
wall rust w a L. R Uss Underscore. But this
chilling notion in my view, again, as a pro Semitic,
pro Zionist Gentile, I guess I would be not a
(26:45):
Jewish person, one that this supports Israel's right to exist,
that someone like Zora and Mumdani, and you're talking about
this alliance and you're so on the money with that
rust between the Democratic Socialists of America and this radical
far left roll hamas wing of the Democratic Party that
does so without blushing, without blinking, and that he in
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a city, especially like Manhattan, with such a high Jewish population,
may become its next mayor. You've kind of highlighted this
difference before, the difference between practicing faithful Let's say orthodox
Jews are traditional Jewish people in the religious sense, and
those that identify as Jewish but they're ethnic Jews. But
how would you break down this mayor's race in New
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York and what it might mean for Jewish people not
only in New York City, but the rest of the country.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I think it's a bellweather of where the fringe of
the Democrat Party is. I think you're going to see
a lot of Jewish exodus from New York if he
becomes mayor. Jews will not feel safe if they're not protected.
And I don't think anybody actually believes that if Mamdani
wins and is in charge of the New York Police
Department that Jews will be protected in that city. I
(27:57):
anticipate that you'll see much stronger vote against Momdanni being
the Democrat candidate from the Jewish population of New York
than you normally would. But yeah, you're right, Like you said,
the Jewish population in New York is there's a strong
split between those who practice Judaism as the religion and
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those who are ethnically Jewish, and it's less important to them,
and they may prioritize the virtue signaling of supporting a
democratic socialist over what would actually be important to their
fellow worshippers.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Russ. We know about the pending deal the President Trump
has tried to broker between Hamas and Israel, and that
there will be no deal at least from the pro
Zionist pro Israel side without completely releasing all the hostages
and the dead bodies that they are holding on to.
And again I've said this before, the cynical me which
is the realistic one, I'm not sure how many of
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the hostages or even all alive at this point they
want to trade them for. You know, leaders who led
terrorist attacks that have been sentenced to life in prison,
and it's not a fair trade. But that being said,
and that being put aside, Hamas cannot continue to exist
in Gaza. It just can't happen, and not in Yahoo. Israel. Understandably,
he's not going to settle for that, and amask he's
(29:19):
kicking the can down the road. Oh, we'll do the deal,
but we got these conditions. We want to make sure this,
that and the other thing. Are you optimistic that any
deal is possible or is Israel going to have to
come in and finish the job militarily?
Speaker 6 (29:31):
In your view, I think it's.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Unlikely that the deal as it's written out succeeds. It
feels like we've been here before. You know, I certainly
support the President pushing this deal. I think it would
be a relatively good deal for Israel and for America.
But I think it's unlikely. I think we've been here
(29:55):
a couple times before with President Trump. We've been in
a similar bought with President Biden a couple times last
year where the negotiators get to a point where they've
gotten the terms of a deal hammered out and Israel
says yes and Tamas says no. Because in the end,
if they give up the hostages, they have no more leverage.
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And they don't fundamentally care about the Palestinians. They don't
care about anybody caught in the crossfire. They see that
they've been awarded with recognition of a Palestinian state by
many Western countries. Now they see that the public opinion
in Western countries has turned against Israel, has turned against
Jews broadly.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
And for them, that's a win.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
And I don't think they have any real reason.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
To give up now.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Had the underscore in the wrong places at the beginning
of his ex handle at Underscore Wal Russ w al
Russ with the two s's there at the end, commemorating
this two years since the attacks of October seventh, twenty
twenty three in Israel, in which twelve hundred Jewish Israeli's
died at the hands of the terrorist regime that is
(31:04):
Hamas Russ Waldman, our guest on this very somber day. Russ,
always appreciate your time, especially.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
On a daylight today. Thanks a lot, Ryan rus Waldman five.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Seven seven three nine year text to close out Ryan
schuling live after this, it's time once again for another
edition of Trump's hot takes charting the forty seventh president's
epic interactions with a fake news media.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
I'm getting calls from Democrats wanting to meet I never
even heard their names before, and they claim me to
be leaving. Did Democrats have no leader? They remind me
of Somalia. Okay, you know, and I met the president
of Somalia. I told him about the problem is Scott,
I said, you have somebody from Somalia who's telling us
(31:50):
how to run our country from Somalia. He said, would
you like to take her back? He said, no, I
don't want her. Okay, you know who I'm.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Talking about it.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm not going to tell you who, but her initias
are Ilhan omar Oh I said it. President Trump in
typical rare form, if that's a possible thing to be typical,
and yet in rare form back Karon Ryan, schuling life,
I have seven seven three nine reminder, just made the
announcement within the hour. Michael Rapaport, comedian who you've no
(32:22):
doubt seen if you're on the interwebs, in his take
on the Israeli war with jimas very pro Israel and
going against the grain unfortunately for a lot of entertainers
who either don't want to go waiting into those waters
or take the convenient way out. The Intafada's side, you know,
free Palestine, and that's what you're seeing manifest itself amongst
(32:45):
the coastal liberal lead. But to Rapaport's credit, he's gone
against the grain there and who knows how many friends
it has cost him, maybe how many gigs it has
cost him, But he's coming to Comedy Work South and
he will be on this program live in studio on Thursday,
joining me along with special guest co host on that day,
(33:05):
Christian Toto Hollywoodintoto dot Com. The Tax five seven seven
three nine, Ryan, it might make sense to upgrade the
name from thirty eight Special to AR fifteenth. Oh no,
then the left will want to ban them, although they
probably want to ban the thirty eight Special as well.
And my thanks it goes out to Don Barnes for
joining us. What a tremendous conversation that was, and their
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new album and he promises he's coming to Colorado, so
we are going to hold him to it. The frontman
for thirty eight Special, also representative Gabe Evans, My good
friend rus Waldman, thanks to all of them for joining
us here today on Ryan Schuling Live
Time that the new single all I Haven't Said from
thirty eight Special.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You have not heard from them in a little over
twenty years. This from their new album Milestone, and it
is exactly that. Back here on Ryan Schuling Live, they
are celebrating thirty eight Special, their fiftieth anniversary with their
first new music. This entire album made possible by the
founder of the group and the lead singer who you
just heard, the legendary Don Barnes, joins us. Don, thank
(00:47):
you so much for your time.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Hey, Ryan, thanks for hanging out with me today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Absolutely lots of questions. We'll try to get them all in.
I know our listeners are curious, but the first of
which is why that song, why this album?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Why?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
No, Well, it was a fiftieth anniversary. It was a
big milestone. I couldn't take of any better word to
call it than milestone. But we hadn't put out anything
for a long time. The live music had kind of
gone through the roof everybody's running up and down these highways,
and we had never gone away.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
We do over one.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Hundred cities a year, so almost just taking care of
our people. We've got sixteen guys out here on the
road crew guys and their families all rely on this
enterprise to keep solving and keep my crew paid and
all that. But we were just busy, you know, just
and the fiftieth anniversary was coming up and our manager said,
(01:39):
you know, you probably should have some new music. I thought,
oh yeah, that's a pretty daunting task between hundred cities.
So we were having to do it in different phases.
I would get off the road. We did it in
Collective Soul Studio in South Atlanta. It was near the airport,
so these guys, the Florida guys, and you know, we
jump in and would do three basic tracks and then
(01:59):
go out and do fifteen cities and come back and
do three more basic tracks. So it was all these
different phases of things, but.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It was really a good time.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
The element of desperation is gone after all these years.
Young bands they have that desperation please like us, please
buy this. We don't have anything to fall back on you.
But after all these years, we just went in there.
I said, just have a good time, let your parts evolve.
These guys are top ros, and I never had to
say anything to them. I'd go and sit down a
(02:28):
little keyboard.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And say, well, it kind of goes like this.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
So they just took their parts and developed them out
and we recorded it all live, all together in a
room with a big studio with the room Mike's turned
up and just got that live bomb basket kind of sound,
you know. And then I ended up going doing overdubs.
I had to fly to Chicago. I had the off
season the winter, and Jim Peterich is a longtime friend
(02:55):
and songwriter. We did all the stuff back in the
eighties and I wanted to kind of come full circle. Anyway,
I'm up there in his studio, and of course wrong place.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
To be in January in Chicago, a lot of ice,
ice storms and all that, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
But anyway, we did vocals and harmonies there and it
was so funny to be in little vocal boots with
the window out there and you see it snowing, and
you know, I've got the I'm putting the final touches
on harmonies, and I've got I've got we've got shows
lined up, and I've got the driver sitting out there
with the motor running taking me to the airport.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So it was one of those things that you get
it all in.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
But we it was a labor of love and we
met the moment and you know, we're glad.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
To have this release out. It is really exciting for us.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It came out in September again, the album Milestone. Don
Barnes our guest lead singer, frontman, co founder of thirty
eight Special. You remember their hits from the seventies, Rocking
into the Night, my personal favorite, he Got hold On Loosely,
(04:39):
Caught Up in You. And if I had asked a
(05:08):
young Don Barnes fifty years ago, you're still young at heart.
I know that, but that you would be creating new
music and a new album fifty years later in the
calendar you're twenty twenty five. What would nineteen seventy five
Don Barnes upset?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's pretty amazing, man, I tell you.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
We know we were young boys with a dream. We
were all neighborhood guys. We started out and made all
our mistakes in public, and you know, it didn't happen overnight.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
It took us a lot of failure.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
We had several three albums that went straight over the cliff.
You know, we thought we would, you know, bust the
world wide open, but you know, it doesn't happen like that,
I don't really recommend it just two young guys, because
you've got to sacrifice everything, holidays, anniversaries. You have to
be about five steps ahead of yourself. So to think
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about fifty years from then, you just you just take
it one day at a time and try to improve.
And of course, you know if you have if you
have failure, you pick yourself up and you learn from
the experience.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Just like anything in life. You know, you cut.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Improve and get better at it and learn as you go.
And so you know, I'll tell these young guys, if
you absolutely have to do it, that's one thing. But
if you've got any more stability in life to fall
back on, is you know, good with your hands and
carpentry or schooling or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But you can give one.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Hundred and ten percent in this business and still not
make it. So there's no guarantees out there. That's the scene.
And like you said that, that element of desperation is
gone now.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
But early guys, you're.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Desperate because you have nothing to fall back on. It's
one of those things, like I said, don't know, I
don't mean to sound discouraging, but you.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Know, it's it's just a long, hard road and as
Don mentioned, he is on that long hard road on
tour in the midst of this going to Longview, Texas,
after Miramar Beach, Florida this upcoming weekend, then onto Bellevueville,
Texas and a Little Rock, Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
A couple of dates still to be determined on the
twenty twenty six portion of this tour, but you'll be
going to Greenville, Tennessee in February, Deadwood, South Dakota, and April.
And I got to ask done, might there be a
stop in Colorado soon after that?
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, absolutely, We've got some Mannic fans out there in
Denver re recorded the remember the old Rainbow Music Hall,
I think it's gone, yeah, bring tore it down.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
But that was MTV.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
They We were the thirteenth video in the first day
of MTV, and our manager said this, this cable channel
wants to come out to Denver and they want to
bring your own camera crew and they want to film
you guys live and see. Back then MTV didn't have
any content. They would have to send their own camera
crew to film live show so they could air them
twenty four hours a day on their new cable channel.
(07:52):
And I thought, yeah, at the time, I thought, well,
it was weird a cable channels where they want to
come film us, Sure, go ahead, you know. And they
came out and I remember reading the card. The guy
wanted me to read something from the camera, and I said,
you're watching MTV. You'll never hear music the same way again.
And I thought it was such a strange little slogan.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I guess I should have bought stock at the time,
back in those days.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
But yeah, like I said, timing was never on our side,
but for one time, timing was with us. So they
came out and filmed the show, and Hold On Loosely
the live version was out there, and it's got two
hundred million streams now on YouTube and all that, you know.
So it's pretty pretty weird how things come through all.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The decades like that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Don Barnes joining us frontman for thirty eight special and
as he mentioned, the thirteenth video ever to play on
the opening day. I remember that I was a little guy,
but it was hold On Loosely. It was thirteenth. The
first one was video Killed the Radio Star by the Buggles.
Now let's take a look. I listen rather to one
of the other new tracks from the upcoming album Milestone.
(08:58):
It was dropped in September, and this was in collaboration
with Train. It's called slightly Controversial. Now don you mentioned videos,
(09:26):
there's one to accompany this one. And again, as I said,
that features Trained, take us through that track.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Yeah, Pat and Pat had recorded to Hold On Loosely
with Joe Bonamassa, and they had released the YouTube and
it got like a million hits or something. But in
the midst of me touring and doing this album, I thought,
you know, I'm going to reach out to his manager
see if he'd like to come sing.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And do it with it with me, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And the manager got back said he absolutely would love
to do it. He was a lifelong fan, and so
he came in. He just crushed it, you know. He
brought all that soul full ad libs and I'd send
him two songs. One was a little more Mile and
he said that's okay.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
What else do you have? I said, well, I've got
this other song.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
It's pretty angular and rude, and he said, oh yeah,
let's go with the rude one. He came in and said,
we had a great time. So I made a new
friend and I told him, I said, between the two
of us, we could probably scare up a pretty good
song if we want to do some writing in the future.
He said absolutely, So we look forward to that opportunity
in the future.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Here Pat Monahan from Train also collaborations with Randy Bachman
of course Bachman, Turner, Overdrive and the guests who And
I want to dig a little bit deeper into your
relationship with Jim Peterick done in all the work that
he's done over the years with Survivor, Sammy Hagar, Lenyard Skinner,
cheap Trick, But what made your duo unique and how
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that all came together?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
He was, He's, of course a brilliant hardness. He writes
songs every day. I don't do that every day. But
I told him, See, he's obsessed. I said, but that
was a way by back in the you know, early eighties,
and you know, he had done Rocking into the Night
and the scratchy demo that they left off on the
Survivor album. The producer didn't feel like it was right,
(11:12):
and you know, my manager said, and we had we
had done Rocking to the Night. We recorded one day
and you know, opened the doors at radio a little
bit it got it, you know, I think it was
like number it's in the top forty. But uh, you know,
at the time, we my manager said, would you like
to write with that guy that did rock and is
for sure? We went up to Chicago. Outside of Chicago,
(11:33):
and the very first day we met him and we
sat at his kitchen table and we got the old
boom boxes and all that, but those tools we used
back then. And he said, so, how you guys been doing?
And I said, what is it about people that can't see?
I was going through a relationship that was kind of
going south? And I said, what is it about people
that they can't seem to tolerate their differences? They try
(11:54):
to change the other one, They want to keep them
under their thumb. And I said, and I had my
notebooks open there. Every song writer has these little tools
of lines and titles and that kind of thing. And
I looked down the notebook, I said, what do you
think about.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
This title hold on Loosely? And he said, oh yeah,
but don't let go. That was the first couplet perfect
book in.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And it said everything in two lines.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
It said the whole story about how you're supposed to
give each other space to breathe and be themselves, and
so we about an hour and a half later, that
song was finished. And it's been an anthemic song for
this band all these years.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
We save it for the end.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
It's like the cherry on top. People come up and
say that song meant so much to our relationship and
the marriage and that kind of thing. I'm like, really,
because we weren't trying to do that. We were just
trying to get on the radio. So it was just
one of those things that just happened the first day
and then we were always we found that that chemistry
(12:51):
was so great. And I've written with all different artists
through the years, but that chemistry with Jim Peter, it's
just it's just wide open and he's so giving. He's
a great artist. You can bring a little bit of
an idea that you're kind of unsure about, and it
always takes that other person to validate it. For one thing,
and you think, oh yeah, he's like he's really excited
(13:13):
about anything, and say oh yeah, we could do that,
and we could do this, you know, and he gets excited.
You think, man, we're all for the races here. We're
going to create something great. So he's been my old
friend all these years. And got up there last January
and had a lot of laughs and had a glass
of wine, we went.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Out to dinner.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
And this songwriting shouldn't be a drudgery, you know, it
should be a good time.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So he's always been a good time there.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
John Barnes, lead man for thirty eight Special, his collaboration
that he just illuminated us with Jim Peterick. Final question,
I know your time is short. We really appreciate it done.
And that is we talked about the struggling years in
the mid seventies when you're first starting off as a group.
You didn't know if you're going to make it. You
don't know if you're going to get down the radio.
You said the first couple of albums you kind of
went off the cliff on it. But that particular song,
(13:59):
I just want to follow up on hold on loosely.
When you got done composing it, performing it, recording it,
did you know you had a hit on your hands
or was that something that.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
You didn't know until it happened Now it was among
a group of songs, you know, one of those things
where you're trying to put an album out of your A.
Songs you want don't want to be material. You want
a so you keep your standards high. So this was
part of all a lot of other songs had different
styles and it was pretty diverse, but no, you didn't
really feel like, first of all, the song is pretty simple.
(14:30):
It's just linear. It's as the chorus chords or the
same chords as the verse chords, so it kind of
moves through a line. But sometimes the beauty is the
simplicity of something. You know, It's like a painter that
one broad stroke and instead of trying to paint every
leaf on the tree, sometimes it's the broad stroke, say
it all.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And you leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So, you know, simplicity isn't the beauty of things. So
we tried to keep it less is more and not
load it up. You know, there's before that we had
put everything but the kitchen sink, and there was too
much information for the listener, and we stripped everything down
to down to eight notes and a good we call
a muscle and melody. You know, anything he's got a
good guitar, aggressive guitar in your face, with a good story,
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good melody over the top.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
We were working through the eighties and we were big
fans of the arena rock guys back then, the Foreigner
and Bad Company and you know, Boston and just.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Everybody back then.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
So we wanted to get outside of just the Southern
rock genre and that we were the ones that did
lift up. And we have actually had more hits than
all those southern rock bands combined. So I was more
of an attensive student of good songwriting and good choruses
that lifted up out of the song and really made
you feel it and lifts everybody up listening to it
(15:52):
too as well.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
To make that connection.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The new album Milestone, marking the fiftieth anniversary of the
all time great seventies rock band thirty eight special frontman
co founder Don Barnes joining us here. We'll let them
get back on tour. He's got a lot of places
to go, and Don, we really hope you come to
Colorado in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Absolutely be looking out for us. We'll be headed that way.
And I appreciate you having me on, Ryan, and I
just want to say to everybody, thank you for making
us a part of your lives.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
All these years.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
It's changed our life. It's our fiftieth anniversary. Check out
the new album. It's pretty diverse. Takes you for a ride,
just like our shows, or we try to take them
for a ride.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So I appreciate you having me on Ryan.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Thanks so much, Absolutely the legendary Don Barnes and you
can find that album Milestone on Spotify, Amazon Music, Apple Music,
all of the above on your favorite platform. Don Barnes
lead man for thirty eight Special, whatever.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
You want to call me, Zionist baby this anything you
want to I am begging you right.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Now, all of us, all of you, all of us,
the entire world, for Hamasta.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Please take this deal for everybody to encourage that, because
if it's not taken now, if you think it's been bad,
it is going to get bad for the people that
you say you care so much about.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I'm saying that from the bottom of my heart.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Michael Rapaport a pro Israel Jewish comedian who has made
a lot of headlines in his own right calling out
anti Semitic elements of the left, especially with the college
campus protests, you know, globalize the Intifada. These young people,
this would be a kind explanation that they're just merely ignorant,
they don't know what they're talking about. But the more
(17:36):
sinister explanation, which may be true in many cases, is
that they know exactly what they're talking about and they're
perfectly comfortable with it. Very excited to announce that Michael
Rappaport will be joining me live in studio on Thursday,
and Christian Toto Hollywood Intoto dot com will be joining
me for that exclusive interview and conversation with the comedian
(17:58):
who is coming to Comedy Works South just so happens
to be this weekend, and really looking forward to that conversation.
I know many of you will be as well. Michael
Rappaport Comedy Works Out this weekend and Ryan Schuling Live
on Thursday during the two o'clock hour, Well joining us now.
He is my go to for all issues Israel. He
(18:18):
is a Zionist as I am, and a follower of
the Jewish faith himself. He is a citizen journalist who
has been documenting in real time the anti Semitism that
has unfortunately been a scourge on our country ever since
this day exactly two years ago. It predates that, of course,
but this kind of opened the veil October seventh, twenty
(18:42):
twenty three, and what happened in the immediate aftermath of that.
I will let him tell that story. My good friend
rus Waldman joins us on Ryan Schuling Live. Russ.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Welcome, hey, Ryan, thanks for having me again.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Absolutely, and it marks two years to the day that
the attacks on Israel by the terrorist regime that ISS
happened and when they were happening. I want to go
back in real time to two years ago, Russ. My
buddy Hutch was visiting. We were preparing to go to
a concert band the Loves Tool that weekend, and we
woke up to this news. And I was under the
(19:14):
naive assumption that the entire world, the Western world, the
civilized world, would react with one voice in condemning it.
But I was very mistaken, and you found that out
firsthand on a walk yourself. The day was the day
of or the day after the day of the day
of it. So it's happening in real time, as I
just described, with my experience. Take us through what you observed,
(19:37):
what happened in the confrontation that you had.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So I was driving past the State Capitol building on Broadway.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
You know, as I'd been watching the news.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
And everything unfolding in the morning and saw what I
can only describe this celebration happening on the Capitol steps,
involving about thirty people chanting and waving Palestinian flags. I
was outraged by that and thought I needed to step
out and you know, document what was happening and talk
(20:12):
to them and see if they knew what the situation was.
At that point, you know, after trying to speak to
the organizer, I was pulled aside by somebody who turned
out to be then Colorado Assemblyman Tim Hernandez, who made
it very clear on the video that later went viral
(20:34):
that they knew exactly what was happening. They fully acknowledged
that women and children and elderly people were being raped
and murdered in the streets, and that was what they
considered to be the liberation of Palestine, and it was
worth celebrating.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'm going to pull up some of that sound in
just a moment. But Tim Hernandez, who you mentioned, would
eventually get primary and out of that seat. I believe
he was appointed to that seat, so he never won
an election, never really stood the test of the voters there.
But take us through that conversation as it escalated, Russ
and what you were anticipating then what was happening? I
(21:11):
got to imagine you were just questioning in your own mind,
like is this guy really serious?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Well, I wanted to figure out if he knew what
was happening right I showed up there, and you know,
he pulls me aside because he didn't want me talking
to the guy who was leading all the chance for
into Fada into Fada and from the river to the sea.
And he pulls me aside and introduces himself as a
(21:39):
state assemblyman, and he came off as you know, a
young guy, you know, your your average you know ds
a socialist, you know, mid twenties idiots, and and so
I I wanted to understand this, he know what's happening
(22:01):
right now? Does he know what he's celebrating? And you've
seem a full video you say it doesn't actually start
at the beginning of my interaction with him, because in
the beginning of my interaction is just trying to figure out,
do you know what's happening right now? Why are you
out here? And once that became clear that he knew
exactly what was happening. Then I told him, I'm going
to start recording this because I want people to see
(22:22):
what you have to say. And that's when that interaction
began on camera.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Here's the tail end of that and again our guest
Russ Waldman. This video went viral and it really did
not reflect well upon the subject of the video, and
that was Tim Hernandez, one of the members of the
state House here in Colorado. Well, I've already answered that much,
and unfortunately, I'm not interested in you're treating me in
a way that's disrespectful to anybody. I didn't just speak toiously.
(22:49):
I didn't come here on this time. What's that down
with you? I came down from up to these people
to have the rights of process. Nobody's interfering with the
rights to protest, und I'm expressing my right to disagree
with it. And I think it's despicable w they're protesting
for protesting gratulations and the fact that you can't condemn
women and children and elderly people being all over it
in the streets.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
What about it?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Do you condemn it? I already said, why can't you
say yes?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Because I already gave you my answer.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You didn't give an answer, and every I think anybody
who watches would understand what.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, all three people, Paul the Great sounds good. Let
us know what they think at all?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Oh, the condescension and the arrogance of Hernandez there Russ.
So he said, there would be three people to view
that video. Do you have a number of people roughly
that have seen that video since.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I stopped keeping track when it was around ten or
twelve million?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Talk about your all time backfires from Big Gilmore. But
on a serious note, obviously here Russ, he asked, what
about it? You talked about the death of civilian, of women, children, elderly.
He just says, what about it? But this cold callous reaction, unfortunately,
would not be limited to this one exchange that you
(24:09):
had with him. But we would watch unfold over calendar
year twenty twenty four, during an election year. And I
have to believe that this adversely affected Democrats and it should.
Was rampant anti semitism on our college campuses that was
not only green Lid, but it was kind of endorsed
in many ways by the faculty on campus that sympathized
with the cause. The intimidation of Jewish students on campuses,
(24:34):
all in the name of globalizing the Intafada from the
river to the sea, and a free state of Palestine
where there was no mention. And a lot of times
this is getting lost in the sauce here too, russ
of October seventh happened, twelve hundred Jewish Israelis lost their
lives on that day, and scores of others were kidnapped,
others were raped. I mean, this is all put aside
(24:56):
by the likes of Rashida Talib and the far left
that just kind of overlook the fact that October seventh
actually happened two years ago on this day. How do
you explain this rampant anti semitism in our country.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Well, I don't think it's a coincidence. We should be
reminding ourselves today. This was not just an attack on Israel.
This was the deadliest attack on Americans since nine to eleven.
I mentioned, you know the Palestinian groups that you know
we're involved in this. You know, the four biggest ones
(25:32):
were Hamas PIJ, the PFLP, and the DFLP. Two of
those are Islamists, two are Marxist Leninists that toxic alliance
of what are essentially deaf cults that threatens Israel is
the same one that is currently threatening America and Christian institutions.
I don't think it's any coincidence that the Annunciation Catholic
church shooter had anti Semitic language carved into his rifle.
(25:55):
I don't think it's a coincidence that the same people
who justified October seventh justified the ass nation of Charlie Kirk,
or that the Antifa rioters were Kefias and Kerry Palestinian flags,
or that it was, you know, with Kim Hernandez, a
Democratic Socialist of America, that we're celebrating on the capital
steps of the Colorado Assembly as the massacre was happening.
(26:16):
We're fighting the same enemy, and I think those who
attack our alliance with Israel are giving aid and comfort
to them.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I want to bring it to our country as well.
Russ Waldman our guest citizen journalist. He does a fine job,
and you can follow him on x as well at
wall rust w a L. R Uss Underscore. But this
chilling notion in my view, again, as a pro Semitic,
pro Zionist Gentile, I guess I would be not a
(26:45):
Jewish person, one that this supports Israel's right to exist,
that someone like Zora and Mumdani, and you're talking about
this alliance and you're so on the money with that
rust between the Democratic Socialists of America and this radical
far left roll hamas wing of the Democratic Party that
does so without blushing, without blinking, and that he in
(27:06):
a city, especially like Manhattan, with such a high Jewish population,
may become its next mayor. You've kind of highlighted this
difference before, the difference between practicing faithful Let's say orthodox
Jews are traditional Jewish people in the religious sense, and
those that identify as Jewish but they're ethnic Jews. But
how would you break down this mayor's race in New
(27:28):
York and what it might mean for Jewish people not
only in New York City, but the rest of the country.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I think it's a bellweather of where the fringe of
the Democrat Party is. I think you're going to see
a lot of Jewish exodus from New York if he
becomes mayor. Jews will not feel safe if they're not protected.
And I don't think anybody actually believes that if Mamdani
wins and is in charge of the New York Police
Department that Jews will be protected in that city. I
(27:57):
anticipate that you'll see much stronger vote against Momdanni being
the Democrat candidate from the Jewish population of New York
than you normally would. But yeah, you're right, Like you said,
the Jewish population in New York is there's a strong
split between those who practice Judaism as the religion and
(28:21):
those who are ethnically Jewish, and it's less important to them,
and they may prioritize the virtue signaling of supporting a
democratic socialist over what would actually be important to their
fellow worshippers.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Russ. We know about the pending deal the President Trump
has tried to broker between Hamas and Israel, and that
there will be no deal at least from the pro
Zionist pro Israel side without completely releasing all the hostages
and the dead bodies that they are holding on to.
And again I've said this before, the cynical me which
is the realistic one, I'm not sure how many of
(28:58):
the hostages or even all alive at this point they
want to trade them for. You know, leaders who led
terrorist attacks that have been sentenced to life in prison,
and it's not a fair trade. But that being said,
and that being put aside, Hamas cannot continue to exist
in Gaza. It just can't happen, and not in Yahoo. Israel. Understandably,
he's not going to settle for that, and amask he's
(29:19):
kicking the can down the road. Oh, we'll do the deal,
but we got these conditions. We want to make sure this,
that and the other thing. Are you optimistic that any
deal is possible or is Israel going to have to
come in and finish the job militarily?
Speaker 6 (29:31):
In your view, I think it's.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Unlikely that the deal as it's written out succeeds. It
feels like we've been here before. You know, I certainly
support the President pushing this deal. I think it would
be a relatively good deal for Israel and for America.
But I think it's unlikely. I think we've been here
(29:55):
a couple times before with President Trump. We've been in
a similar bought with President Biden a couple times last
year where the negotiators get to a point where they've
gotten the terms of a deal hammered out and Israel
says yes and Tamas says no. Because in the end,
if they give up the hostages, they have no more leverage.
(30:16):
And they don't fundamentally care about the Palestinians. They don't
care about anybody caught in the crossfire. They see that
they've been awarded with recognition of a Palestinian state by
many Western countries. Now they see that the public opinion
in Western countries has turned against Israel, has turned against
Jews broadly.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
And for them, that's a win.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
And I don't think they have any real reason.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
To give up now.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Had the underscore in the wrong places at the beginning
of his ex handle at Underscore Wal Russ w al
Russ with the two s's there at the end, commemorating
this two years since the attacks of October seventh, twenty
twenty three in Israel, in which twelve hundred Jewish Israeli's
died at the hands of the terrorist regime that is
(31:04):
Hamas Russ Waldman, our guest on this very somber day. Russ,
always appreciate your time, especially.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
On a daylight today. Thanks a lot, Ryan rus Waldman five.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Seven seven three nine year text to close out Ryan
schuling live after this, it's time once again for another
edition of Trump's hot takes charting the forty seventh president's
epic interactions with a fake news media.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
I'm getting calls from Democrats wanting to meet I never
even heard their names before, and they claim me to
be leaving. Did Democrats have no leader? They remind me
of Somalia. Okay, you know, and I met the president
of Somalia. I told him about the problem is Scott,
I said, you have somebody from Somalia who's telling us
(31:50):
how to run our country from Somalia. He said, would
you like to take her back? He said, no, I
don't want her. Okay, you know who I'm.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Talking about it.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm not going to tell you who, but her initias
are Ilhan omar Oh I said it. President Trump in
typical rare form, if that's a possible thing to be typical,
and yet in rare form back Karon Ryan, schuling life,
I have seven seven three nine reminder, just made the
announcement within the hour. Michael Rapaport, comedian who you've no
(32:22):
doubt seen if you're on the interwebs, in his take
on the Israeli war with jimas very pro Israel and
going against the grain unfortunately for a lot of entertainers
who either don't want to go waiting into those waters
or take the convenient way out. The Intafada's side, you know,
free Palestine, and that's what you're seeing manifest itself amongst
(32:45):
the coastal liberal lead. But to Rapaport's credit, he's gone
against the grain there and who knows how many friends
it has cost him, maybe how many gigs it has
cost him, But he's coming to Comedy Work South and
he will be on this program live in studio on Thursday,
joining me along with special guest co host on that day,
(33:05):
Christian Toto Hollywoodintoto dot Com. The Tax five seven seven
three nine, Ryan, it might make sense to upgrade the
name from thirty eight Special to AR fifteenth. Oh no,
then the left will want to ban them, although they
probably want to ban the thirty eight Special as well.
And my thanks it goes out to Don Barnes for
joining us. What a tremendous conversation that was, and their
(33:26):
new album and he promises he's coming to Colorado, so
we are going to hold him to it. The frontman
for thirty eight Special, also representative Gabe Evans, My good
friend rus Waldman, thanks to all of them for joining
us here today on Ryan Schuling Live
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