Darren Weekly, Douglas County Sheriff joins Ryan to recap his police department solving a 38-year-old cold case involving the murder of 31-year-old Rhonda Fisher in rural DougCo by one of Colorado's most prolific serial killers. DNA evidence finally linked Vincent Groves, who died while imprisoned in 1996, to the homicide.
Trace DNA from paper bag links 'prolific serial killer' to 1987 Douglas County homicide | 9news.com
Continuing on the theme, reports are saying Gary Ridgway (more notoriously known as 'The Green River Killer') is receiving palliative care as he nears death. Should a serial killer receive hospice services? Ryan and Jesse discuss.
Trace DNA from paper bag links 'prolific serial killer' to 1987 Douglas County homicide | 9news.com
Continuing on the theme, reports are saying Gary Ridgway (more notoriously known as 'The Green River Killer') is receiving palliative care as he nears death. Should a serial killer receive hospice services? Ryan and Jesse discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Snow will continue through about six o'clock tonight, another one
to three inches to go, most of that on colder surfaces.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So here's where we're at.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
We're in the.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Seventh inning stretch of this thing right now, folks. We
are also I kind of passed the main point of
this as well, with the heaviest snowfall coming just before
and during the morning commute. Now the next thing to
wash for it. In terms of the roads, honestly, it's
gonna be tonight. I'm more concerned about tonight than during
the day today because those roads will turn that. They're
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pretty wet right now for the most part, and black
eyes will be the big concern. How much snow you
seen in some cases here over eight inches of snow
For us in Genesee, are that a half foot nineties
backyard four and a half. We're gonna end up with
about six inches of snow once all a sudden done
here in downtown Denver officially at the airport now This
is as of five o'clock this morning, way more than
that since then there at the airport. But this is
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our snowiest, our biggest snowstorm for us in about ten
months for us here in Denver. That is not because
this has been such a big snowstorm. That is because
we've had a frankly pathetic last ten months of snow
for us across the Denver area. So our first meaningful
snow for us in about again ten months for us across.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
The Denver area.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
That's Chris Pianci nine News and Paul Rudd leading in.
I said, the weather outside is weather, and that's from
Forgetting Sarah Marshall. He's pretty awesome in that movie, along
with Jason Siegel. But we finally got our first significant
snowfall snowstorm of the season, and you have yours, truly
to think.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I brought it with me.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
There was about a foot of snow back home in
Michigan over the Thanksgiving weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It was glorious.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Chopped down a Christmas tree with my sister Liz and
got it into the Christmas spirit, got into the winter wonderland.
And now we look out there right at this moment,
and that's what works experiencing here As we begin today's episode,
this Wednesday edition of Ryan Shuling Live, you can some
of your text five seven seven three nine. Are you safe?
(02:09):
Are you out of this melee? Or did you have
to deal with it today? As I did driving down
here the I twenty five corridor not too bad from
a traffic volume standpoint. I did notice, though, the closer
I got to downtown Denver, the worse the snow got,
the greyer the sky's got, the trickier the roads got.
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But I didn't see any accidents. People were driving responsibly,
So kudos to all of you out there that we're
getting that job done. It's always this first snow of
the season.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Jesse.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
You've probably encountered this as well in your driving experience,
that people they just even though they maybe spent their
entire lives in Colorado or in northern state where there
is snow, you forget how to drive in it.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
People lose their minds. The gas is still on the right,
the break's still on the left. Just go a little slower,
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Got to watch that following distance. Yes, got to be.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Able to stop and you got to be able to
slow down because you don't want to lose your tail end.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Four wheel drive does not mean four wheel stop.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
What a great point. I'm gonna use that going forward myself.
Jesse Thomas, as you heard behind the microphone, I like
the baseball reference there by Beyonci too. You said, we're
in the seventh inning stretch of this thing, so computes
for baseball guys like Jesse and me.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So did you have to deal with this out there? Jesse?
Where do you live around here?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
I'm up in Rhino, so I'm marad by the ballpark. Oh,
you are looking too bad though. I mean I didn't
take the highway. I went down surface streets. I basically
took MLK to Monica and Monica all the way down.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It's not bad.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And just take your time and watch what you're doing,
that's all.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Watch what you're doing in D five seven, seventh, three nine.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
If you've had to deal with that this morning and
throughout the day, another snowstorm could be on the way
as well, so brace yourselves for that one in this
cold weather. Just again, takets low. Watch that following distance.
Everything should turn out okay, or so we hope. Also
on this day, President Trump making news as he announces
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a rollback of the Biden era fuel efficiency standards. This
should help not only the American automobile industry Detroit, but
also with regard to consumers because it will bring down
prices for the cars that you're buying. Now, do we
have sufficient fuel efficiency standards as it stands right now?
(04:23):
I can tell you this the gas mileage that I get.
I know, people make fun of me. I drive a
forward focus, I drive American. Nobody drives American anymore. I
do you know on a highway I'll get thirty six
miles a gallon. I think that's pretty darn solid. And
in the I think the average efficiency just the automakers
themselves wanting to compete, right, So we're just talking about
(04:43):
ideas in the marketplace, capitalism, and the Japanese cars starting
getting better and better gas mileage, and people want that
too for their own vehicles so they don't have to
spend as much on gasoling. But then you have that
kind of cost prohibitive nature of a price increase by
virtue of these cafe standards they call him, and that
will be incorporated into the price of the vehicle. So
(05:05):
either paying on the front end and the price of
the car or you'll be paying on the back end,
and the price of the gasoline, which has been notably lower.
I might add here in Colorado, i've seen those prices down.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
How low have you seen it, Jesse?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Does anything come to mine a number? Because I just
think I saw it for like two thirty somewhere in the.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
LA I haven't.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I haven't filled up in a little bit.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I don't drive a ton, but I do see people
posting right around two twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, ten twenty is yeap's.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's good news.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
And Colorado actually, as you look at the Triple A
website for gas prices nationwide, we have some of the
lowest prices here, and that's good news. The story behind
that we might get a little bit more as I
check in with the people at Koga. But here's President
Trump from really just within the last hour, announcing this
executive order.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
Today, my administration has taking a stork action to lower
costs or American consumers, protect American auto jobs, and make
buying a car much more affordable for countless American families
and also safer.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
We're officially terminating Joe Biden's.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Ridiculously burdens some horrible actually cafe standards, then imposed expensive
restrictions and all sorts of problems, gave all sorts of
problems to automakers. And we're not only talking about here,
we're talking about outside of our country. Because nobody could
do it, nobody wanted to do it, and it was ridiculous,
(06:29):
very expensive. It put tremendous upward pressure on car prices.
Combined with the insane electric vehicle mandate, Biden's burdened some
regulations helped cause the price of cars to soar more
than twenty five percent, and in one case they went
up eighteen percent in one year. Today, we're taking one
more step to kill the green new scam as part
(06:51):
of the greatest scam probably well other than Russia, Russia,
Russian and a few others think good name the greatest
scam in American history.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You need a green news scam.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
And it's a question end the gasoline powered car. This
is what they wanted to do, even though we have
more gasoline than any other country by far, and people
want the gasoline car. They want everything, they want electric,
they want any they want to half lets of alternatives,
but they do want the gasoline car right now, it's
leading away by a lot.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The car business is a very interesting business, but we
want to keep it that way.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Now, this is where President Trump really is that his
best let the market decide, and those market pressures through
the sheer competition of these automakers that will serve the
best interest for the consumer and the purchase of a vehicle.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You'll give them electric cars. Have Elon Musk build his Teslas.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
People that can afford that, that are in that price range,
they're going to go ahead and buy.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
An electric car. Now, you want to build a better
mouse trap.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
You want to build a better electric vehicle that you
want the cost of it to come down so that
the average consumer, the working class person.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Can afford to get into one. But right now, there.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Are several factors that prohibit I think the average consumer,
and I would consider myself to be one of these
from considering an electric vehicle.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
One would be the convenience.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Or lack thereof of having enough charging stations. We were
promised this and the Biden administration Pete Bootage edge of course,
Department of Transportation disastrous tenure for him, best known for
taking three months off for paternity leave. But those stations
were not built despite the money being carved out and
set aside.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
For that very purpose.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Same thing with internet development and having us all connected
to the World Wide Web.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Did that happen? It did not happen.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So these government promises that were left unresolved have left
us in the lurch when it comes to again, charging stations,
the ability for a car to hold a charge to
carry power, let's say an EV truck. But these things
have gotten better, but are they competitive against gas and
diesel powered equivalents In a lot of cases the answer
is no. And then also the cost of repairs to
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an electric vehicle that say, have a battery that in
and of itself is worth the entire vehicle in terms
of price, you know, to replaced. That that is a steep,
steep hurdle to climb. So there's a lot of market
pressures and obstacles for electric vehicles that still need to
be overcome, and that's on the manufacturers to make them
(09:22):
a more affordable product. We'll get into our story that
we were following from yesterday. An exclusive interview coming up
with the Sheriff of Douglas County and Darren Weekly will
talk to us more about this story from nine News.
I mean, this is truly one of those cold case files,
forensic files that they solve all these years later, almost
forty years later.
Speaker 8 (09:44):
In this case, we've learned that Douglas County Sheriff's office
believe a dead serial killer was the one who killed
a young mother found in Marksburg forty years ago. The
Sheriff's office says new forensic technology led them to Vincent
Groves in the nineteen eighty seven murder of thirty one
year old Rohnda Marie Fisher. Her body was discovered in
a culvert over South Perry Park Road. OFFICI will say
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she had been strangled, and the case sat cold for decades.
Douglas County sheriff say DNA from paper bags helped lead
them to her killer, who's linked to twelve homicides in Colorado.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
Obtaining a DNA profile from paper bags nearly forty years
old is exceptionally rare. Groves is considered to be one
of Colorado's most prolific serial killers. He had a long
and violent history targeting vulnerable women between nineteen seventy eight
and nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
WOW Sheriff say Groves was also connected to sex trafficking
and drug distribution. Investigators say they tried to reach Fisher's family,
but her parents and brother both died before her case
was solved.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
The co sheriff joining us now Darren Weekly on Ryan
Schuling Live. Sheriff, thank you so much for taking the
time today.
Speaker 10 (10:55):
Absolutely thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
What a tremendous case to solve after all these years.
Can you take us through maybe the process broadly as
your department approaches these cold cases, going through the files,
doing the investigations, revisiting evidence.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
What does that process look like.
Speaker 10 (11:13):
Well, it's a very tedious process, but we have exceptional people.
The Douglas County Sheriff's Office has actually solved seven cold
cases over the last seven years. And so what we
do is we have dedicated detectives, are investigative genealogist Michelle
Kennedy and our detectives. They go through every piece of evidence,
item by item and see what else can be tested,
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what else can be done, what else can we do
with this case? And obviously the older these cases get, the.
Speaker 11 (11:41):
More that you know, our suspects and our witnesses are.
Speaker 10 (11:44):
No longer alive, and so it's you know, time is
of the essence, but you know, we've done really exceptional
work with DNA and been able to resolve a lot
of these cases.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So many questions on that point, Sheriff Weekly, these paper bags.
Can you take us back to this particular piece of
evidence that ended up kind of blowing the case wide open?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
What was with those paper bags? Under what circumstances did
you find them?
Speaker 10 (12:10):
Well, when the victim, the crime scene was processed with
the victim, her hands were bagged to preserve any trace
evidence that would be on the hands, underneath the fingernails,
and so the bags were secured on hands and then
they were removed at the time of autopsy and they
were retained as evidence. And so over the years those
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bags were never tested and there's a reason for that.
Typically there's not that type of evidence that you would
find on those bags. And so when they reviewed the
case again with a fresh set of eyes, they decided
to send the bags and lo and behold, we have
Vincent Groves.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And Vincent Grows, a notorious serial killers, you pointed out
in your press conference, Sheriff Darren Weekly, Douglas County joining
us with the finer details in this case. We see
remarkable progress, as you mentioned, and sheriff with DNA evidence,
the banking of that evidence, fingerprint evidence, and having databases assembled,
that sort of thing. What led you specifically and directly
(13:11):
to Vincent Groves was this something that there was a
hit in a database and that's.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
What turned up.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I know that there are other types of profiles, such
as ancestry dot com that have yielded those kind of
results as well well.
Speaker 10 (13:23):
In this particular case, there was a codas hit and
Cotis is the DNA database managed by the FDI. It
was a case to case DNA match on previous murders
that Groves had committed. And so when this particular piece
of evidence was tested, his name came up and you know,
it was confirmed and he was a suspect back then.
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They just were unable to pin the case on him
at that time.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Ronda Fisher thirty one years old at the time of
her abduction and murder. One of the sad parts of
this story, along with obviously her death itself, Sheriff, was
that her parents are all deceased, did not live to
see this case be solved. I imagine though you might
be working with and forming other distant family members of hers.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And updating this case.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Can you take us through that human part of it
and just what that resolution is like.
Speaker 10 (14:17):
Yeah, the investigators were able to contact a cousin. Bronda
also had as son, but we don't know who that
son is. She had, you know, the son was adopted
by somebody else, but the only remaining relative was a
cousin who's so alive and she's just beyond grateful. They
never expected this case to ever be solved, so to
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have this level of closure, it's good, but unfortunately, you know,
it's a little bittersweet because you know, around his parents are.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Gone riff weekly.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
One of the things that has driven me nuts as
I've watched so many of these true crime documentaries in
terms of our history here in Colorado, Ted Bundy escaped
not once but twice from this state. He would go
on to commit more murders in the state of Flora.
That infuriated me watching those details. But as far as
this individual goes, Vincent Groves, did he have a hallmark,
(15:08):
a trademark, a pattern of homicides? You mentioned that he's
one of the most prolific serial killers in Colorado history.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That fit like a puzzle with regard to this case.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Groves like to strangle his victims or you use a
ligature to asphyxiate them, and so that was kind of
his trademark for his victims and what he did.
Speaker 11 (15:31):
Typically he would.
Speaker 10 (15:33):
Pick up women who were being sex trafficked or women
that were hitch hiking, and of course he was also
very much part of the drug drug life in that.
Speaker 11 (15:48):
Group.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And he has been dead for about thirty years, right,
he died while incarcerated in the nineties.
Speaker 10 (15:54):
He did, he did.
Speaker 11 (15:55):
I believe he died in ninety six.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
As far as pursuing future cases like this, Sheriff Weekly
and the noted progress that you have made, this is
such a tremendous story and we love to see these
kinds of resolutions. Finally after all these years. About how
many cold cases is your department currently working right now
and are there any that you feel might be on
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the brink of.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Being solved in themselves.
Speaker 10 (16:21):
We have a total of thirty five and so that
number includes unsolved homicides, unknown missing persons that have never
been found, and unsolved felmy sexual assault. So it's a
large number, but we don't give up.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
On these cases.
Speaker 10 (16:38):
We have an amazing staff that are dedicated to solving
these cases and bringing closure to families.
Speaker 11 (16:45):
And quite frankly, we're very good at it.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
I don't think there's any other agency that I know
of that solves seven cold cases in seven years. And
it's the passion of our staff to bring justice for
these families, or at least closure.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Sheriff Darren Week joining us go ahead.
Speaker 10 (17:02):
No, just to add to what you had ask me,
I am very confident, and I'm sure some of my
investigators might be listening now.
Speaker 11 (17:11):
I am very confident we are going.
Speaker 10 (17:12):
To be solving probably a couple more in the very
near future.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
That's very good news, Sheriff.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
We know that again watching these shows, I don't do
what you do, but the team that you've assembled there,
they're remarkable and getting this job done as you have stated,
But it's so important and crucial for a missing person's
report to be filed as timely as possible. Individuals like this,
as we saw, you know, the information can go dark
very quickly. Those first forty eight hours we've been told
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at least are so important. What advice would you give
to people out there in terms of being vigilant when
it comes to these types of abductions, these types of
crimes and how they can be best handled.
Speaker 10 (17:52):
Well, obviously, people need to report immediately, and witnesses need
to come forward when they're witnessing something or see something.
And so you were absolute, one hundred percent correct. When
we have a major incident, major case, we put a
lot of resources on it immediately. The first forty eight
is a very real thing, and we put all resources
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into solving cases just like this.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Just tremendous police work all the way around here. What
a team effort it was by the Douglas County Sheriff's
Department trace DNA from inside a paperbag again, maintaining that
evidence over all these years is DNA evidence, and the
technology evolved over these almost four decades, and finally finding
the killer of Rhonda Marie Fisher, and that was serial
killer Vincent grows long since to see Sheriff Darren Weekly
(18:40):
appreciate the work you do for the community.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Congratulations and solving this case.
Speaker 11 (18:46):
Absolutely, thank you so much, and thanks for having me all.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Right, sure and Darren Darren Weekly joining us there will
be joined by Sheriff Steve Reams coming up at some point.
I believe in our second hour he's coming down once
again to fill in for Dan Kaplis two of my favorites.
Sheriff's right there in stereo, loving it. And what a
tremendous job there by the Douglas County Sheriff's Department five
seven seven three nine.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
You could text in your reaction.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
We'll get to more on the other side of this
time out along with Jesse Thomas and I'm Ryan Schuling
sitting in you're listening to a very snowy addition of
RSL on six point thirty.
Speaker 10 (19:18):
K House.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Fu a fah better psycho killer.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Good pull there, Jesse, Yeah, finally putting another story to rest.
Just a nightmare for this family for so many years,
and so sad Runda Fisher, her parents and brother passing
away before the case was solved. And again kudos to
Sheriff Darren Weakley and his entire department there in the
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Douglas County Sheriff's Office for cracking this cold case. Can't
even imagine where you begin in this and then you
be again again, and you go back to the beginning,
and you go back over the evidence that you have
in the locker. In this case, it was in a
paper bag they just saved. They go we don't know
what we're going to be able to do with it
right now. I mean we're talking back then. Nineteen eighty
seven really was pre DNA and it was in its
(20:18):
infancy you might recall during the oj Simpson trial, which
was in the mid nineties, and it really wasn't perfected
until the two thousands in terms of being able to
really trace the DNA samples to a definable hit, putting
it in a database, being able to pull from that.
And that's where this all leads back to this Vincent
Groves who died while in prison in nineteen ninety six.
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The homicide of Ronda Fisher finally linked to him. Now, Jesse,
I don't know if you're into this world. I mean,
I'm a big student of the science of cold case
victims of I've watched Mindhunter, that was tremendous series on Netflix.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
They have to make a cold case show out of
this particular story, right, I mean, it's tailor made for it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
I fall asleep to that stuff because I'm weird like that,
But you know what I mean, it just kind of
sues me and I just kind of drift off and
hope they catch some guy that they've invented new DNA
technology for have.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You seen that.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
There's been more than one documentary made about ten Bundy,
but again the fact that he escaped twice it custody
out of the window, yes, in Aspen or wherever it was. Yeah,
then he went on to Florida, ended up killing co
Ed's there that he never should have been able to kill.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
He's a very smart guy, very cunning individual.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
The latest documentary, there was a series of interview tapes
that were done with Ted Bundy as he was trying
to help catch I believe it's this next guy I'm
gonna mention, but please correct me if I'm wrong, and
that's the Green River killer in Washington State and what
this got into, you know, you get into the psychology.
And that's why I love that series mind Hunter, because
(21:58):
it's based in part on a true story that the
term serial killer derived from these two guys working together
in the FBI a special unit, and they came up
with that name serial killer, and they sat down they
interviewed some of the most notorious, awful serial killers of
that day, son of Sam Killer and Charles Manson, Ted
(22:22):
Bundy being another one of those. But apparently in this case,
the latest documentary that I watched on Bundy where he
was dropping clues and the interviewers suspected that he was
talking about himself. It was almost like a quasi confession
of his own. He was on death row. He was
trying to save his own life selfishly. Of course, Ted
Bundy before he was electrocuted in Florida, as they had
(22:44):
the death penalty down there. But the Green River Killer,
Gary Ridgeway, according to this report locally from KIRO Channel
seven in Seattle, Gary Ridgeway now near death good the
Green River Killer who claimed seventy five to eighty victims. No,
(23:05):
that's crazy, Oh my goodness. And he got away with
it for so long, and that's why they were desperate,
and they were desperate times, desperate measures resorting to conversation
with Ted Bundy.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Can he get inside this guy's head?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Can you tell us what he's thinking, why he's picking
the victims that he's choosing. And again, Bundy, it was
almost like a tell on himself. Well apparently, And I
wonder how our listeners feel about this five seven seven
three nine. Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer and one
of America's most prolific convicted serial killers is receiving end
of life care in a Washington State prison. According to
(23:40):
five sources with knowledge of his condition who spoke to
kiro In News radio in recent days, none could provide
specifics beyond that should an individual monster like this Jesse
received hospice care, No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I just don't think so.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I mean, this guy, if empathy is empathy, but to
some people it doesn't apply, right, I mean, we've got
to have you some common sense here.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
This has gotta be yeah, one of those cases here. Now,
this is apparently up for debate. Rachel Ericson, the deputy
communications director with the Department of Corrections in the state
of Washington, wrote the following in a post.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I believe these are inaccurate rumors.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
While we are not able to provide much detail about
incarcerated individual's medical information, we are able to confirm that
Gary Ridgeway has not had any change to his medical condition.
That runs in the face of what we just heard there.
The family is endless grief. It reads here. What Norm
would say is that Gary Ridgeway is not deserving of
our sympathies.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
What Jesse just said, he is not deserving of.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Our thoughts, no thoughts, no prayers, non zero for this
absolutely deranged monster. Norm would want us to focus on
the victims. He would want us to think of their
family members. These women were someone's daughter, sister, child, They
were loved. And this is from King County Prosecuting Attorney
Lisa Mannon telling the news radio station about her late
(25:06):
mentor Norm Malling, who negotiated Ridgeway's two thousand and three
plea deal. Now, he was able to avoid death because
he was willing to cooperate at the very end of
these investigations and lead or attempt to lead investigators to
the bodies of again several others. And we're talking several
dozen scores of women, literal scores of women dead by
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his hand.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
The Green River killer.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So five seven, seven, three nine, if you've got some
thoughts on that or the solving of this cold case.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Now, Ryan, do you know.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
It's a little morbid, But this guy, Gary Ridgeway eighty victims,
he's the goat of serial killers.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
There hasn't been somebody that's been credited with more victims
that we know of it, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I mean, he's the if there was a leader board.
He's the top of it. Bundy was in the twenties
or thirties.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I think quadrupled Bundy right insane And though his were
very morbid in terms of the cannibalism part of it,
the number that he killed was maybe in the teens.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I'm trying to do the math back in my head.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But yeah, he is a special kype of creature.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
But as far as sheer numbers go, this guy's the
goat crazy, just the worst of the worst, and reportedly
receiving end of life care hospice care as he.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Is nearing deaf. The Green River Killer five seven three nine.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Get to your text right here, Ryan, speaking of Pete
Buddha Judge, did you happen to see or hear President
Trump correcting Sean Duffy's pronunciation of Buddha Judge, Very funny, Andy, Andy,
because you asked for it by request, like Casey Kasem,
I'm coming at you with the hits, and here we go.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What was contrary to the law.
Speaker 12 (26:47):
The Congress that ruled it says you have to look
at combustion engines, Biden and Buddha. Judge actually did an analysis.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He's the edge Jedge. I Judge got Judge.
Speaker 12 (26:56):
Used ev and hybrids to come up with a sixty
two mile an hour pro gallon standard, which I think
the car companies will tell you is completely unattainable. So
they spend a lot of money on technology and trying
to meet the unattainable standard.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Gottle of Sean Duffy, the Secretary of Transportation, Trump corrects them.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
He just goes, you're right, boot edge edge.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's boot edge edge is how we're gonna say it.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
This cabinet meeting from yesterday, and they get right back
together today as they're announcing the elimination of these Biden
era fuel efficiency standards that were prohibitive on pricing of
automobiles in the United States of America. So a very
good move right there. Speaking of cars, this one, Ryan,
You're not alone. I drive a twenty thirteen Ford Focus.
I've had it for twelve years. It's been a great car,
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almost theft proof since it's a standard.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Jimmy Sangenberger tells the tale he had the same vehicle.
I believe I'm correct in saying it was stolen three times.
The same car stolen thrice.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
That's awesome. Yeah, and even Phil Wiser with notorious quote
of his.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
You know if somebody steals high you know, all fourth
a fifth car in a few months, well they got
to do some hard time, like.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
What well, what if they steal one?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Like let's just go ahead and look.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Two, two is too too many, but you're way you
get to like three, four, five, maybe six cars, and
then we got to do something.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Just singing bear just leave it running and parking lots.
He don't trying to get rid of that sucker.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I don't know what it is today, but I remember
Jesse when we were a bit younger, it was like
the Toyota Camry for some reason was the camera's.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
And now I think it's kias everybody's swiping kias he is,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
And Ford F one fifties apparently are easy to get.
Is that for like the airbags?
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Or they got some kind of been in the car
stealing business in quite some time, you know, but when
you were right right, Okay.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I gotta find that Wiser quote. We'll come back with
it as we round down our number one. In our
number two, Uh going to be talking with Sheriff Steve Reims.
There was a case there and he just happens to
be filling in for Dan Campus. I want to have
that conversation with him as we get into our second
hour as well. And in case you missed it, my
conversation with Louis Gohmert, the longtime congressman from Texas calling
(29:11):
out the Biden administration DOJ for targeting members of Congress
with very spurious investigations, allegations spying on those Republican members
of Congress. And then I'll be coming up at the
bottom of our second hour as well. Ryan Schuling Live
concludes this first hour. After this, that's where we are
(29:37):
starting a month of December right looking outside, still coming
down like sugar out there, Sugar Loaf Mountain. A lot
of skiing in store for a lot of people out there.
Not Shannon Scott, though I saw him walking around back there.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Jesse.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
I can't imagine you ski anymore after your horrific accident, right,
it's not something you can do.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
What you say, your skiing career is over.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Oh yes, after I put my foot on backwards, I
hung up the skis.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh man, I'm just glad you're okay, me too, Ryan,
thank you.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
You know, I think I'm worried sick about you, especially
after that that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I mean, I'm not even joking. That was wild.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Yeah, nothing that three plates and fourteen screws couldn't fix.
Brian zero out of ten would not recommend this is okay.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
He tried it, doesn't like it? Yes, five, seven, seven, three, nine. Well,
Trump at it again with regard to Oval office interactions
with the media.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Here is a lengthy edition of Trump's hot takes.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
It's time once again for another edition of Trump's hot takes,
turning the forty seventh President's epic interactions with the fake
news media.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Just about everything is down.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
You know, this whole thing is they use the word affordability.
It's a Democrat hoax. They're the ones that drove the
prices up, and all they do is say affordability, and
you're supposed to say, oh, that means they had low prices.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Now, we inherited the worst.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Inflation in the history of our country. They say forty
eight years, but let's say that's history. I don't believe
that Biden had because of his stupid ways and is
between his energy policies and his spending policies, we had.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
The worst inflation in the history of our country.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
And now our prices are coming down, and they're coming
down for cars, and they're coming down. I mean, did
you hear yesterday when Chris Write from Energy, the head
of energy in our country, said, there are now parts
of our country parts, it's all happening.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
One dollar and ninety nine cents for gasoline a gall.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
And we have it at two fifty to sixty. It
was at five dollars and that's bigger than any tax
cut we could give. And you know, for the average family,
that's considered bigger than any tax cut. So the word
affordability when they mentioned it, you ever watch them, it's
all about I saw that the young lady that lost
(32:20):
last night, she lost by a lot more than they thought.
And we have a great new candidate in the in
the in Congress, really great Matt Vnefs. But I saw
last night she said, it's all about.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Affordability, all about it. They never talk about like the specifics.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Everything was through the roof eggs when I took over,
eggs were four times higher than they ever were. We
got the prices down to the lowest level. I mean, amazing,
But they never you got to watch they're great con people.
It's like the Inflation Reduction Act, and after they got
it approved, because everybody said inflation reduction, they admitted it
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had nothing to do reducing inflation.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
It's a conjob.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
I think affordability is the greatest kind job. They look
at you and they say affordability. They don't say anything else. Evan,
it says, oh, they're prices we so love known. They
had the worst inflation, We had the highest prices we
ever had. And now they're all coming down, including beef
is coming down.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Beef was up there a little bit.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Our ranchers did well, but were going to make them
do a little bit less well perhaps, But the beef
is now coming down, Coffee is now coming down. It's
all coming down, and it's a beautiful thing to see.
But remember this, when they use the word affordability, they
just say. They never say anything else, just elections about affordability,
and then they go to the next subject.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
It's a conjob.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
They caused the highest prices the history of our country,
the worst inflation in the history of our country, and
we're getting those prices down, and they're coming down rapidly
and you'll see those results very soon.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Anyway, Affordability, it's a scam. It's a Democrat hoax.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It is.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
They can say the word it doesn't mean it means
anything or they're doing anything about it. You know, this
borderline communist candidate in the Nashville district for the US
House in Tennessee. It was she only lost by nine
and that you know, that was the kind of trump
card pun intended ironically.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So we're going to talk about affordability, Well, what are
you going to do about?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
What's your plan of action here? There is none. I
got a plan of action though, for Jesse. Denver has
now been ranked as one of the best cities for
singles going into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Jesse AA or name things you're looking up, but I
don't believe it. Okay, we'll talk more about it when
we come back after this. I'm Ryan showing live.
Do it feeling pop up? Yeah, that wasn't quite it.
But we're gonna figure it out out there.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Let's go surfing. Come on, everybody's learning, how come on?
The weather outside is weather light.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Snow will continue through about six o'clock tonight, another one
to three inches to go, most of that on colder surfaces.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So here's where we're at.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
We're in the.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Seventh inning stretch of this thing right now, folks. We
are also I kind of passed the main point of
this as well, with the heaviest snowfall coming just before
and during the morning commute. Now the next thing to
wash for it. In terms of the roads, honestly, it's
gonna be tonight. I'm more concerned about tonight than during
the day today because those roads will turn that. They're
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pretty wet right now for the most part, and black
eyes will be the big concern. How much snow you
seen in some cases here over eight inches of snow
For us in Genesee, are that a half foot nineties
backyard four and a half. We're gonna end up with
about six inches of snow once all a sudden done
here in downtown Denver officially at the airport now This
is as of five o'clock this morning, way more than
that since then there at the airport. But this is
(01:04):
our snowiest, our biggest snowstorm for us in about ten
months for us here in Denver. That is not because
this has been such a big snowstorm. That is because
we've had a frankly pathetic last ten months of snow
for us across the Denver area. So our first meaningful
snow for us in about again ten months for us across.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
The Denver area.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
That's Chris Pianci nine News and Paul Rudd leading in.
I said, the weather outside is weather, and that's from
Forgetting Sarah Marshall. He's pretty awesome in that movie, along
with Jason Siegel. But we finally got our first significant
snowfall snowstorm of the season, and you have yours, truly
to think.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I brought it with me.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
There was about a foot of snow back home in
Michigan over the Thanksgiving weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It was glorious.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Chopped down a Christmas tree with my sister Liz and
got it into the Christmas spirit, got into the winter wonderland.
And now we look out there right at this moment,
and that's what works experiencing here As we begin today's episode,
this Wednesday edition of Ryan Shuling Live, you can some
of your text five seven seven three nine. Are you safe?
(02:09):
Are you out of this melee? Or did you have
to deal with it today? As I did driving down
here the I twenty five corridor not too bad from
a traffic volume standpoint. I did notice, though, the closer
I got to downtown Denver, the worse the snow got,
the greyer the sky's got, the trickier the roads got.
(02:31):
But I didn't see any accidents. People were driving responsibly,
So kudos to all of you out there that we're
getting that job done. It's always this first snow of
the season.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Jesse.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
You've probably encountered this as well in your driving experience,
that people they just even though they maybe spent their
entire lives in Colorado or in northern state where there
is snow, you forget how to drive in it.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
People lose their minds. The gas is still on the right,
the break's still on the left. Just go a little slower,
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Got to watch that following distance. Yes, got to be.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Able to stop and you got to be able to
slow down because you don't want to lose your tail end.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Four wheel drive does not mean four wheel stop.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
What a great point. I'm gonna use that going forward myself.
Jesse Thomas, as you heard behind the microphone, I like
the baseball reference there by Beyonci too. You said, we're
in the seventh inning stretch of this thing, so computes
for baseball guys like Jesse and me.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So did you have to deal with this out there? Jesse?
Where do you live around here?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
I'm up in Rhino, so I'm marad by the ballpark. Oh,
you are looking too bad though. I mean I didn't
take the highway. I went down surface streets. I basically
took MLK to Monica and Monica all the way down.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It's not bad.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And just take your time and watch what you're doing,
that's all.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Watch what you're doing in D five seven, seventh, three nine.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
If you've had to deal with that this morning and
throughout the day, another snowstorm could be on the way
as well, so brace yourselves for that one in this
cold weather. Just again, takets low. Watch that following distance.
Everything should turn out okay, or so we hope. Also
on this day, President Trump making news as he announces
(04:02):
a rollback of the Biden era fuel efficiency standards. This
should help not only the American automobile industry Detroit, but
also with regard to consumers because it will bring down
prices for the cars that you're buying. Now, do we
have sufficient fuel efficiency standards as it stands right now?
(04:23):
I can tell you this the gas mileage that I get.
I know, people make fun of me. I drive a
forward focus, I drive American. Nobody drives American anymore. I
do you know on a highway I'll get thirty six
miles a gallon. I think that's pretty darn solid. And
in the I think the average efficiency just the automakers
themselves wanting to compete, right, So we're just talking about
(04:43):
ideas in the marketplace, capitalism, and the Japanese cars starting
getting better and better gas mileage, and people want that
too for their own vehicles so they don't have to
spend as much on gasoling. But then you have that
kind of cost prohibitive nature of a price increase by
virtue of these cafe standards they call him, and that
will be incorporated into the price of the vehicle. So
(05:05):
either paying on the front end and the price of
the car or you'll be paying on the back end,
and the price of the gasoline, which has been notably lower.
I might add here in Colorado, i've seen those prices down.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
How low have you seen it, Jesse?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Does anything come to mine a number? Because I just
think I saw it for like two thirty somewhere in the.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
LA I haven't.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I haven't filled up in a little bit.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I don't drive a ton, but I do see people
posting right around two twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, ten twenty is yeap's.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's good news.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
And Colorado actually, as you look at the Triple A
website for gas prices nationwide, we have some of the
lowest prices here, and that's good news. The story behind
that we might get a little bit more as I
check in with the people at Koga. But here's President
Trump from really just within the last hour, announcing this
executive order.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
Today, my administration has taking a stork action to lower
costs or American consumers, protect American auto jobs, and make
buying a car much more affordable for countless American families
and also safer.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
We're officially terminating Joe Biden's.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Ridiculously burdens some horrible actually cafe standards, then imposed expensive
restrictions and all sorts of problems, gave all sorts of
problems to automakers. And we're not only talking about here,
we're talking about outside of our country. Because nobody could
do it, nobody wanted to do it, and it was ridiculous,
(06:29):
very expensive. It put tremendous upward pressure on car prices.
Combined with the insane electric vehicle mandate, Biden's burdened some
regulations helped cause the price of cars to soar more
than twenty five percent, and in one case they went
up eighteen percent in one year. Today, we're taking one
more step to kill the green new scam as part
(06:51):
of the greatest scam probably well other than Russia, Russia,
Russian and a few others think good name the greatest
scam in American history.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You need a green news scam.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
And it's a question end the gasoline powered car. This
is what they wanted to do, even though we have
more gasoline than any other country by far, and people
want the gasoline car. They want everything, they want electric,
they want any they want to half lets of alternatives,
but they do want the gasoline car right now, it's
leading away by a lot.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The car business is a very interesting business, but we
want to keep it that way.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Now, this is where President Trump really is that his
best let the market decide, and those market pressures through
the sheer competition of these automakers that will serve the
best interest for the consumer and the purchase of a vehicle.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You'll give them electric cars. Have Elon Musk build his Teslas.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
People that can afford that, that are in that price range,
they're going to go ahead and buy.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
An electric car. Now, you want to build a better
mouse trap.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
You want to build a better electric vehicle that you
want the cost of it to come down so that
the average consumer, the working class person.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Can afford to get into one. But right now, there.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Are several factors that prohibit I think the average consumer,
and I would consider myself to be one of these
from considering an electric vehicle.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
One would be the convenience.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Or lack thereof of having enough charging stations. We were
promised this and the Biden administration Pete Bootage edge of course,
Department of Transportation disastrous tenure for him, best known for
taking three months off for paternity leave. But those stations
were not built despite the money being carved out and
set aside.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
For that very purpose.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Same thing with internet development and having us all connected
to the World Wide Web.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Did that happen? It did not happen.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So these government promises that were left unresolved have left
us in the lurch when it comes to again, charging stations,
the ability for a car to hold a charge to
carry power, let's say an EV truck. But these things
have gotten better, but are they competitive against gas and
diesel powered equivalents In a lot of cases the answer
is no. And then also the cost of repairs to
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an electric vehicle that say, have a battery that in
and of itself is worth the entire vehicle in terms
of price, you know, to replaced. That that is a steep,
steep hurdle to climb. So there's a lot of market
pressures and obstacles for electric vehicles that still need to
be overcome, and that's on the manufacturers to make them
(09:22):
a more affordable product. We'll get into our story that
we were following from yesterday. An exclusive interview coming up
with the Sheriff of Douglas County and Darren Weekly will
talk to us more about this story from nine News.
I mean, this is truly one of those cold case files,
forensic files that they solve all these years later, almost
forty years later.
Speaker 8 (09:44):
In this case, we've learned that Douglas County Sheriff's office
believe a dead serial killer was the one who killed
a young mother found in Marksburg forty years ago. The
Sheriff's office says new forensic technology led them to Vincent
Groves in the nineteen eighty seven murder of thirty one
year old Rohnda Marie Fisher. Her body was discovered in
a culvert over South Perry Park Road. OFFICI will say
(10:06):
she had been strangled, and the case sat cold for decades.
Douglas County sheriff say DNA from paper bags helped lead
them to her killer, who's linked to twelve homicides in Colorado.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
Obtaining a DNA profile from paper bags nearly forty years
old is exceptionally rare. Groves is considered to be one
of Colorado's most prolific serial killers. He had a long
and violent history targeting vulnerable women between nineteen seventy eight
and nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
WOW Sheriff say Groves was also connected to sex trafficking
and drug distribution. Investigators say they tried to reach Fisher's family,
but her parents and brother both died before her case
was solved.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
The co sheriff joining us now Darren Weekly on Ryan
Schuling Live. Sheriff, thank you so much for taking the
time today.
Speaker 10 (10:55):
Absolutely thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
What a tremendous case to solve after all these years.
Can you take us through maybe the process broadly as
your department approaches these cold cases, going through the files,
doing the investigations, revisiting evidence.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
What does that process look like.
Speaker 10 (11:13):
Well, it's a very tedious process, but we have exceptional people.
The Douglas County Sheriff's Office has actually solved seven cold
cases over the last seven years. And so what we
do is we have dedicated detectives, are investigative genealogist Michelle
Kennedy and our detectives. They go through every piece of evidence,
item by item and see what else can be tested,
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what else can be done, what else can we do
with this case? And obviously the older these cases get, the.
Speaker 11 (11:41):
More that you know, our suspects and our witnesses are.
Speaker 10 (11:44):
No longer alive, and so it's you know, time is
of the essence, but you know, we've done really exceptional
work with DNA and been able to resolve a lot
of these cases.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So many questions on that point, Sheriff Weekly, these paper bags.
Can you take us back to this particular piece of
evidence that ended up kind of blowing the case wide open?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
What was with those paper bags? Under what circumstances did
you find them?
Speaker 10 (12:10):
Well, when the victim, the crime scene was processed with
the victim, her hands were bagged to preserve any trace
evidence that would be on the hands, underneath the fingernails,
and so the bags were secured on hands and then
they were removed at the time of autopsy and they
were retained as evidence. And so over the years those
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bags were never tested and there's a reason for that.
Typically there's not that type of evidence that you would
find on those bags. And so when they reviewed the
case again with a fresh set of eyes, they decided
to send the bags and lo and behold, we have
Vincent Groves.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And Vincent Grows, a notorious serial killers, you pointed out
in your press conference, Sheriff Darren Weekly, Douglas County joining
us with the finer details in this case. We see
remarkable progress, as you mentioned, and sheriff with DNA evidence,
the banking of that evidence, fingerprint evidence, and having databases assembled,
that sort of thing. What led you specifically and directly
(13:11):
to Vincent Groves was this something that there was a
hit in a database and that's.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
What turned up.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I know that there are other types of profiles, such
as ancestry dot com that have yielded those kind of
results as well well.
Speaker 10 (13:23):
In this particular case, there was a codas hit and
Cotis is the DNA database managed by the FDI. It
was a case to case DNA match on previous murders
that Groves had committed. And so when this particular piece
of evidence was tested, his name came up and you know,
it was confirmed and he was a suspect back then.
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They just were unable to pin the case on him
at that time.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Ronda Fisher thirty one years old at the time of
her abduction and murder. One of the sad parts of
this story, along with obviously her death itself, Sheriff, was
that her parents are all deceased, did not live to
see this case be solved. I imagine though you might
be working with and forming other distant family members of hers.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And updating this case.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Can you take us through that human part of it
and just what that resolution is like.
Speaker 10 (14:17):
Yeah, the investigators were able to contact a cousin. Bronda
also had as son, but we don't know who that
son is. She had, you know, the son was adopted
by somebody else, but the only remaining relative was a
cousin who's so alive and she's just beyond grateful. They
never expected this case to ever be solved, so to
(14:39):
have this level of closure, it's good, but unfortunately, you know,
it's a little bittersweet because you know, around his parents are.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Gone riff weekly.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
One of the things that has driven me nuts as
I've watched so many of these true crime documentaries in
terms of our history here in Colorado, Ted Bundy escaped
not once but twice from this state. He would go
on to commit more murders in the state of Flora.
That infuriated me watching those details. But as far as
this individual goes, Vincent Groves, did he have a hallmark,
(15:08):
a trademark, a pattern of homicides? You mentioned that he's
one of the most prolific serial killers in Colorado history.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That fit like a puzzle with regard to this case.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Groves like to strangle his victims or you use a
ligature to asphyxiate them, and so that was kind of
his trademark for his victims and what he did.
Speaker 11 (15:31):
Typically he would.
Speaker 10 (15:33):
Pick up women who were being sex trafficked or women
that were hitch hiking, and of course he was also
very much part of the drug drug life in that.
Speaker 11 (15:48):
Group.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And he has been dead for about thirty years, right,
he died while incarcerated in the nineties.
Speaker 10 (15:54):
He did, he did.
Speaker 11 (15:55):
I believe he died in ninety six.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
As far as pursuing future cases like this, Sheriff Weekly
and the noted progress that you have made, this is
such a tremendous story and we love to see these
kinds of resolutions. Finally after all these years. About how
many cold cases is your department currently working right now
and are there any that you feel might be on
(16:17):
the brink of.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Being solved in themselves.
Speaker 10 (16:21):
We have a total of thirty five and so that
number includes unsolved homicides, unknown missing persons that have never
been found, and unsolved felmy sexual assault. So it's a
large number, but we don't give up.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
On these cases.
Speaker 10 (16:38):
We have an amazing staff that are dedicated to solving
these cases and bringing closure to families.
Speaker 11 (16:45):
And quite frankly, we're very good at it.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
I don't think there's any other agency that I know
of that solves seven cold cases in seven years. And
it's the passion of our staff to bring justice for
these families, or at least closure.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Sheriff Darren Week joining us go ahead.
Speaker 10 (17:02):
No, just to add to what you had ask me,
I am very confident, and I'm sure some of my
investigators might be listening now.
Speaker 11 (17:11):
I am very confident we are going.
Speaker 10 (17:12):
To be solving probably a couple more in the very
near future.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
That's very good news, Sheriff.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
We know that again watching these shows, I don't do
what you do, but the team that you've assembled there,
they're remarkable and getting this job done as you have stated,
But it's so important and crucial for a missing person's
report to be filed as timely as possible. Individuals like this,
as we saw, you know, the information can go dark
very quickly. Those first forty eight hours we've been told
(17:39):
at least are so important. What advice would you give
to people out there in terms of being vigilant when
it comes to these types of abductions, these types of
crimes and how they can be best handled.
Speaker 10 (17:52):
Well, obviously, people need to report immediately, and witnesses need
to come forward when they're witnessing something or see something.
And so you were absolute, one hundred percent correct. When
we have a major incident, major case, we put a
lot of resources on it immediately. The first forty eight
is a very real thing, and we put all resources
(18:14):
into solving cases just like this.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Just tremendous police work all the way around here. What
a team effort it was by the Douglas County Sheriff's
Department trace DNA from inside a paperbag again, maintaining that
evidence over all these years is DNA evidence, and the
technology evolved over these almost four decades, and finally finding
the killer of Rhonda Marie Fisher, and that was serial
killer Vincent grows long since to see Sheriff Darren Weekly
(18:40):
appreciate the work you do for the community.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Congratulations and solving this case.
Speaker 11 (18:46):
Absolutely, thank you so much, and thanks for having me all.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Right, sure and Darren Darren Weekly joining us there will
be joined by Sheriff Steve Reams coming up at some point.
I believe in our second hour he's coming down once
again to fill in for Dan Kaplis two of my favorites.
Sheriff's right there in stereo, loving it. And what a
tremendous job there by the Douglas County Sheriff's Department five
seven seven three nine.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
You could text in your reaction.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
We'll get to more on the other side of this
time out along with Jesse Thomas and I'm Ryan Schuling
sitting in you're listening to a very snowy addition of
RSL on six point thirty.
Speaker 10 (19:18):
K House.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Fu a fah better psycho killer.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Good pull there, Jesse, Yeah, finally putting another story to rest.
Just a nightmare for this family for so many years,
and so sad Runda Fisher, her parents and brother passing
away before the case was solved. And again kudos to
Sheriff Darren Weakley and his entire department there in the
(19:53):
Douglas County Sheriff's Office for cracking this cold case. Can't
even imagine where you begin in this and then you
be again again, and you go back to the beginning,
and you go back over the evidence that you have
in the locker. In this case, it was in a
paper bag they just saved. They go we don't know
what we're going to be able to do with it
right now. I mean we're talking back then. Nineteen eighty
seven really was pre DNA and it was in its
(20:18):
infancy you might recall during the oj Simpson trial, which
was in the mid nineties, and it really wasn't perfected
until the two thousands in terms of being able to
really trace the DNA samples to a definable hit, putting
it in a database, being able to pull from that.
And that's where this all leads back to this Vincent
Groves who died while in prison in nineteen ninety six.
(20:41):
The homicide of Ronda Fisher finally linked to him. Now, Jesse,
I don't know if you're into this world. I mean,
I'm a big student of the science of cold case
victims of I've watched Mindhunter, that was tremendous series on Netflix.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
They have to make a cold case show out of
this particular story, right, I mean, it's tailor made for it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
I fall asleep to that stuff because I'm weird like that,
But you know what I mean, it just kind of
sues me and I just kind of drift off and
hope they catch some guy that they've invented new DNA
technology for have.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You seen that.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
There's been more than one documentary made about ten Bundy,
but again the fact that he escaped twice it custody
out of the window, yes, in Aspen or wherever it was. Yeah,
then he went on to Florida, ended up killing co
Ed's there that he never should have been able to kill.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
He's a very smart guy, very cunning individual.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
The latest documentary, there was a series of interview tapes
that were done with Ted Bundy as he was trying
to help catch I believe it's this next guy I'm
gonna mention, but please correct me if I'm wrong, and
that's the Green River killer in Washington State and what
this got into, you know, you get into the psychology.
And that's why I love that series mind Hunter, because
(21:58):
it's based in part on a true story that the
term serial killer derived from these two guys working together
in the FBI a special unit, and they came up
with that name serial killer, and they sat down they
interviewed some of the most notorious, awful serial killers of
that day, son of Sam Killer and Charles Manson, Ted
(22:22):
Bundy being another one of those. But apparently in this case,
the latest documentary that I watched on Bundy where he
was dropping clues and the interviewers suspected that he was
talking about himself. It was almost like a quasi confession
of his own. He was on death row. He was
trying to save his own life selfishly. Of course, Ted
Bundy before he was electrocuted in Florida, as they had
(22:44):
the death penalty down there. But the Green River Killer,
Gary Ridgeway, according to this report locally from KIRO Channel
seven in Seattle, Gary Ridgeway now near death good the
Green River Killer who claimed seventy five to eighty victims. No,
(23:05):
that's crazy, Oh my goodness. And he got away with
it for so long, and that's why they were desperate,
and they were desperate times, desperate measures resorting to conversation
with Ted Bundy.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Can he get inside this guy's head?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Can you tell us what he's thinking, why he's picking
the victims that he's choosing. And again, Bundy, it was
almost like a tell on himself. Well apparently, And I
wonder how our listeners feel about this five seven seven
three nine. Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer and one
of America's most prolific convicted serial killers is receiving end
of life care in a Washington State prison. According to
(23:40):
five sources with knowledge of his condition who spoke to
kiro In News radio in recent days, none could provide
specifics beyond that should an individual monster like this Jesse
received hospice care, No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I just don't think so.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I mean, this guy, if empathy is empathy, but to
some people it doesn't apply, right, I mean, we've got
to have you some common sense here.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
This has gotta be yeah, one of those cases here. Now,
this is apparently up for debate. Rachel Ericson, the deputy
communications director with the Department of Corrections in the state
of Washington, wrote the following in a post.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I believe these are inaccurate rumors.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
While we are not able to provide much detail about
incarcerated individual's medical information, we are able to confirm that
Gary Ridgeway has not had any change to his medical condition.
That runs in the face of what we just heard there.
The family is endless grief. It reads here. What Norm
would say is that Gary Ridgeway is not deserving of
our sympathies.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
What Jesse just said, he is not deserving of.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Our thoughts, no thoughts, no prayers, non zero for this
absolutely deranged monster. Norm would want us to focus on
the victims. He would want us to think of their
family members. These women were someone's daughter, sister, child, They
were loved. And this is from King County Prosecuting Attorney
Lisa Mannon telling the news radio station about her late
(25:06):
mentor Norm Malling, who negotiated Ridgeway's two thousand and three
plea deal. Now, he was able to avoid death because
he was willing to cooperate at the very end of
these investigations and lead or attempt to lead investigators to
the bodies of again several others. And we're talking several
dozen scores of women, literal scores of women dead by
(25:30):
his hand.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
The Green River killer.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So five seven, seven, three nine, if you've got some
thoughts on that or the solving of this cold case.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Now, Ryan, do you know.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
It's a little morbid, But this guy, Gary Ridgeway eighty victims,
he's the goat of serial killers.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
There hasn't been somebody that's been credited with more victims
that we know of it, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I mean, he's the if there was a leader board.
He's the top of it. Bundy was in the twenties
or thirties.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I think quadrupled Bundy right insane And though his were
very morbid in terms of the cannibalism part of it,
the number that he killed was maybe in the teens.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I'm trying to do the math back in my head.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But yeah, he is a special kype of creature.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
But as far as sheer numbers go, this guy's the
goat crazy, just the worst of the worst, and reportedly
receiving end of life care hospice care as he.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Is nearing deaf. The Green River Killer five seven three nine.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Get to your text right here, Ryan, speaking of Pete
Buddha Judge, did you happen to see or hear President
Trump correcting Sean Duffy's pronunciation of Buddha Judge, Very funny, Andy, Andy,
because you asked for it by request, like Casey Kasem,
I'm coming at you with the hits, and here we go.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What was contrary to the law.
Speaker 12 (26:47):
The Congress that ruled it says you have to look
at combustion engines, Biden and Buddha. Judge actually did an analysis.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He's the edge Jedge. I Judge got Judge.
Speaker 12 (26:56):
Used ev and hybrids to come up with a sixty
two mile an hour pro gallon standard, which I think
the car companies will tell you is completely unattainable. So
they spend a lot of money on technology and trying
to meet the unattainable standard.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Gottle of Sean Duffy, the Secretary of Transportation, Trump corrects them.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
He just goes, you're right, boot edge edge.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's boot edge edge is how we're gonna say it.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
This cabinet meeting from yesterday, and they get right back
together today as they're announcing the elimination of these Biden
era fuel efficiency standards that were prohibitive on pricing of
automobiles in the United States of America. So a very
good move right there. Speaking of cars, this one, Ryan,
You're not alone. I drive a twenty thirteen Ford Focus.
I've had it for twelve years. It's been a great car,
(27:42):
almost theft proof since it's a standard.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Jimmy Sangenberger tells the tale he had the same vehicle.
I believe I'm correct in saying it was stolen three times.
The same car stolen thrice.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
That's awesome. Yeah, and even Phil Wiser with notorious quote
of his.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
You know if somebody steals high you know, all fourth
a fifth car in a few months, well they got
to do some hard time, like.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
What well, what if they steal one?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Like let's just go ahead and look.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Two, two is too too many, but you're way you
get to like three, four, five, maybe six cars, and
then we got to do something.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Just singing bear just leave it running and parking lots.
He don't trying to get rid of that sucker.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I don't know what it is today, but I remember
Jesse when we were a bit younger, it was like
the Toyota Camry for some reason was the camera's.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
And now I think it's kias everybody's swiping kias he is,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
And Ford F one fifties apparently are easy to get.
Is that for like the airbags?
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Or they got some kind of been in the car
stealing business in quite some time, you know, but when
you were right right, Okay.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I gotta find that Wiser quote. We'll come back with
it as we round down our number one. In our
number two, Uh going to be talking with Sheriff Steve Reims.
There was a case there and he just happens to
be filling in for Dan Campus. I want to have
that conversation with him as we get into our second
hour as well. And in case you missed it, my
conversation with Louis Gohmert, the longtime congressman from Texas calling
(29:11):
out the Biden administration DOJ for targeting members of Congress
with very spurious investigations, allegations spying on those Republican members
of Congress. And then I'll be coming up at the
bottom of our second hour as well. Ryan Schuling Live
concludes this first hour. After this, that's where we are
(29:37):
starting a month of December right looking outside, still coming
down like sugar out there, Sugar Loaf Mountain. A lot
of skiing in store for a lot of people out there.
Not Shannon Scott, though I saw him walking around back there.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Jesse.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
I can't imagine you ski anymore after your horrific accident, right,
it's not something you can do.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
What you say, your skiing career is over.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Oh yes, after I put my foot on backwards, I
hung up the skis.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh man, I'm just glad you're okay, me too, Ryan,
thank you.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
You know, I think I'm worried sick about you, especially
after that that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I mean, I'm not even joking. That was wild.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Yeah, nothing that three plates and fourteen screws couldn't fix.
Brian zero out of ten would not recommend this is okay.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
He tried it, doesn't like it? Yes, five, seven, seven, three, nine. Well,
Trump at it again with regard to Oval office interactions
with the media.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Here is a lengthy edition of Trump's hot takes.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
It's time once again for another edition of Trump's hot takes,
turning the forty seventh President's epic interactions with the fake
news media.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Just about everything is down.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
You know, this whole thing is they use the word affordability.
It's a Democrat hoax. They're the ones that drove the
prices up, and all they do is say affordability, and
you're supposed to say, oh, that means they had low prices.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Now, we inherited the worst.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Inflation in the history of our country. They say forty
eight years, but let's say that's history. I don't believe
that Biden had because of his stupid ways and is
between his energy policies and his spending policies, we had.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
The worst inflation in the history of our country.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
And now our prices are coming down, and they're coming
down for cars, and they're coming down. I mean, did
you hear yesterday when Chris Write from Energy, the head
of energy in our country, said, there are now parts
of our country parts, it's all happening.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
One dollar and ninety nine cents for gasoline a gall.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
And we have it at two fifty to sixty. It
was at five dollars and that's bigger than any tax
cut we could give. And you know, for the average family,
that's considered bigger than any tax cut. So the word
affordability when they mentioned it, you ever watch them, it's
all about I saw that the young lady that lost
(32:20):
last night, she lost by a lot more than they thought.
And we have a great new candidate in the in
the in Congress, really great Matt Vnefs. But I saw
last night she said, it's all about.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Affordability, all about it. They never talk about like the specifics.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Everything was through the roof eggs when I took over,
eggs were four times higher than they ever were. We
got the prices down to the lowest level. I mean, amazing,
But they never you got to watch they're great con people.
It's like the Inflation Reduction Act, and after they got
it approved, because everybody said inflation reduction, they admitted it
(32:59):
had nothing to do reducing inflation.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
It's a conjob.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
I think affordability is the greatest kind job. They look
at you and they say affordability. They don't say anything else. Evan,
it says, oh, they're prices we so love known. They
had the worst inflation, We had the highest prices we
ever had. And now they're all coming down, including beef
is coming down.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Beef was up there a little bit.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Our ranchers did well, but were going to make them
do a little bit less well perhaps, But the beef
is now coming down, Coffee is now coming down. It's
all coming down, and it's a beautiful thing to see.
But remember this, when they use the word affordability, they
just say. They never say anything else, just elections about affordability,
and then they go to the next subject.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
It's a conjob.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
They caused the highest prices the history of our country,
the worst inflation in the history of our country, and
we're getting those prices down, and they're coming down rapidly
and you'll see those results very soon.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Anyway, Affordability, it's a scam. It's a Democrat hoax.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It is.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
They can say the word it doesn't mean it means
anything or they're doing anything about it. You know, this
borderline communist candidate in the Nashville district for the US
House in Tennessee. It was she only lost by nine
and that you know, that was the kind of trump
card pun intended ironically.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So we're going to talk about affordability, Well, what are
you going to do about?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
What's your plan of action here? There is none. I
got a plan of action though, for Jesse. Denver has
now been ranked as one of the best cities for
singles going into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Jesse AA or name things you're looking up, but I
don't believe it. Okay, we'll talk more about it when
we come back after this. I'm Ryan showing live.
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