December 6, 2024 • 38 mins
Dr. Rich Guggenheim, a prominent voice in the LGBTQ movement against gender transitioning for children, joins Ryan to discuss the effort of 'Gays Against Groomers' at the Supreme Court of the United States in the pivotal case on Tennessee's ban against providing transgender surgeries and drugs to minors.
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Dr. Travis Morrell, MD also joins Ryan to recap his trip to Washington, D.C. for the historic case before SCOTUS regarding a Tennessee state law banning transgender 'affirming care' procedures and drugs for minors, from a legal and medical perspective.
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Dr. Travis Morrell, MD also joins Ryan to recap his trip to Washington, D.C. for the historic case before SCOTUS regarding a Tennessee state law banning transgender 'affirming care' procedures and drugs for minors, from a legal and medical perspective.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Feels like these are not hateful and they are not
anti LGBTQ or even about the nine children needed medical services. However,
if the LGBTQ plus community seeks to repair the damage
they caused themselves, they need to stop supporting trans being children.
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It is in their best interest to advocate for policies
that ensure that the treatments provided are appropriate, evidence based,
and in the best interests of the child.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We remain committed to.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
This cause of advocating for the protection and well being
of children, and we encourage.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You to get involved. Testify at your school boards.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Testify at your city council, and show up to your
state capitals to fight for the protection of children. Our
future depends on you getting involved in this today.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim from earlier this week on the steps
of the Supreme Court in Washington, d C. He is
part of Gays Against Gruber's, a noble organization that is
fighting on behalf of children, the gay community separating itself
from the trans the kids community, and I think that's
an important distinction. And Rich joins us now here on
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Ryan Schuling Live. Happy to have him in his time. Thanks,
thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
For joining me, Rich, thank you for inviting me take.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Us through that entire experience. You delivered that speech there.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What that was like?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It seemed like there was a competing rally not far away.
I could hear them off mike with a megaphone. What
was going on there?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, that rally was in him So it was literally
feet away from where we were. There's probably four feet
separating us from them. And they are obviously a lot
more well funded than we are and a lot more
well known than we are. They are people that you
might have heard of, like the ACLU, the Human Rights
Campaign and Land the Legal and they do all that
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they can to try and drown us out and silence us.
They are the organizations that I like to say, speak
at us, for us, over us, and about us, but
don't speak with us. There making a lot of noise,
But I was there to say, as a gay man,
I do not support harming children under the guise of
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LGBT rights.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Some of the conversations I've had Rich with Vladimar Argoletta
and others who are part of the log cabin Republicans,
part of these against groomers, were there is so much
progress made for gay individuals like yourself when it comes
to civil rights, the right to marry, the Supreme Court
ruling along those lines as well, that you feel like
maybe you're losing ground when something like this, which is
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so outlandish and so beyond the paal, as you put it,
has inflicted damage on the community at I want to
make sure I get this part of your clip isolated.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think this was it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Impair the damage they caused themselves.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So right there?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Can you expand on that a little bit and where
you feel your standing is a member of LGBT, but
fighting against the transing of kids exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You know, as a gay man, I worked with organizations
that I now work. I'm just going to say, do
not work with me and do not represent me. I
wanted the same freedom and liberty that everybody else in
the heterosexual community had. I wanted the right to be
able to get married. I wanted for people who are
in the military to be able to serve our military
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and serve our country openly and authentically. And that freedom
and liberty is what we fought for and achieved. And unfortunately,
what we've seen now is this movement has moved towards
stripping people of their freedom and their liberties. I think
that this ideology of harming children and under the guise
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of LGBT rights is actually stripping children of their freedoms
and liberties. It's stripping them because it robbed some of
their innocents, and it deprive them of a future to
be productive, happy, healthy citizens. And that ultimately is one
of the fundamental freedoms that we have, is the right
to live happy, healthy lives.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim our guest Gaze against Groomers. You can
follow him on x at fifty to eighty based Homo,
Am I allowed to say that?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't know. I hope you say.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I hope you can, because if you can't, I guess
they'll get that notice from the sec lawe right.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, No, I think it's fine.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I just you know, I don't want to offend anybody,
as you know, as I say that handle. But I've
seen some of the stuff that you post on there.
It's hilarious, but there's a point to it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Rich. I'm I'm hoping that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
But as you kind of expose a lot of the hypocrisies,
the double standards, just for instance yourself and the political
or that you have. You don't fit like a neat
cookie cutter like a lot of people on the left
want you to fit. It probably want you to stand down,
shut up, not speak up the way.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That you are you.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
How have you been able to navigate that in terms
of your own deeply held political beliefs.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Well, I'm sure you know it's tough. Unfortunately, the community
that preaches this gofful of being inclusive, tolerant, accepting and
welcoming and living as your authentic self really, ultimately, I
say the cult, they don't want that at all. They
want you to assimilate and conform. And if you don't
do that, they are going to kick you out of
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the cult and they are going to shun you and
isolate you and scorn you and silence you. And that
is very antithetical to everything that they believe in. And
I I will not conform, and I will not comply.
I am going to speak my truth. And that really
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means that. Unfortunately, in Denver, most of the gay bars
here will not welcome me into the gay bars. They
will not welcome me into the community. I get told
that I am a traitor, and I've been called all
kinds of slurs. Ironically enough, there is a young man
from Denver who gets paid to flight at places like
DC and protests to these things, and he will use
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homophobic slurs against people like me, and he himself apparently
is part of the ALPHABETI spaghetti.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Take me through that a little bit, because I've had
conversations yourself, but also with Valdemar and others that are
part of maybe log cabin Republicans and inclusive that's a word.
But it's so ironic that a lot of these people
who are on the left are going to shun you,
of all people, when you've done so much to fight
in that direction, to progress with rights for individuals who
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identify as LGBT, and yet there's this division and you
cut the alphabet I see this in your own X
handle or LGB and then scissors and then TQ and
then you got ia and two S and plus I
mean the alphabet stuff. It seems like it's gotten carried away.
It's almost become like a caricature of itself.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
How do you navigate that?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I'll just say this, what we really advocate for is
protecting rights that come from the understanding of biological sex.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And if you.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Cannot find what something is based off of biology, in
this case a man or a woman. You start erasing
the biological understanding of sex, and then you start you
have to erase protections that are based off of sex.
And we saw this this last session in the legislature
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with Senate Bill twenty four eighty nine that was sponsored
by Senator Chris Hansen and Ron the Fields where they
struck through the legal protections that were granted to Colorado
citizens based off of sexual orientation and replaced that with
gender identity and gender expression. And so we are literally
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as homosexuals being erased and our rights are being erased
under the skise of gender identity. And that is something
that nobody should be accepting. No gay person, no lesbian person,
nobody should be advocating for taking away someone's rights under
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the guise of inclusivity.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
One.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
If you can't protect what you cannot define aptly.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Put right there.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And we knew that Kontanji Brown Jackson during our confirmation hearing,
famously or rather infamously, could not define what a woman was.
She wasn't a biologist, was her excuse? Doctor Rich Guggenheim
gaze against groomers, Our guests now. I have had conversations
with trans individuals, including Sarah Higden, who is a friend
of mine and is active on the national stage, pulling
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in much the same direction that you or I are doing,
but that a lot of the trans movement is based
on confusion. That there might be a young person who
is confused about their changing bodies, but then also about
maybe their sexual orientation. And one tragic case of a
trans individual I interviewed rich was somebody that had internalized homophobia,
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that did not want to be gay, and therefore thought, however, irrationally,
that if this person who was born an Asian American
male transformed into a female, therefore at that point would
be heterosexual.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Do you encounter a lot of those stories out there.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I do, and that's heartbreaking because what we're doing is
we're selling parents, and we're selling children alive. We're selling
them this idea that if you just inject chemicals into
your body and you just go ahead and mutilate your
body and disfigure your body and live this idea that
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you can become the opposite gender or opposite sex, so
you're going to be happy. And what people are waking
up and realizing is as a child, I may have
thought that because I was very uncomfortable in my body
as a teenager going through puberty and what child is not.
But they grow out of it, and then they realize
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that they have made a decision that they cannot reverse.
They can't go back and undo what they've done to
their body. And unfortunately they're also being told that the
line is would you rather have a living son or
a dead daughter? And that is I can't imagine being
a parent being faced to that conflict. And so of
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course you want to do as a parent what you
think is going to do your child the best and
give them the best opportunities in life. And so you're
going to say, okay, well, yeah, we should do this.
But where you know that this myth of suicide is
a lie, that this idea of you being able to
be happy is a lie. The science does not bear
that out. It disproves those theories the most talking points,
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and ultimately what it is, in my opinion, is a
form of modern day conversion therapy where we are saying
it is better for you to have a trans child
than a gauge child. So it's homophobic.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim gaze against groomers joining us here. He
was in Washington, d c. For this landmark hearing by
the Supreme Court of the United States the law in
Tennessee which currently prohibits miners from undergoing sex change operations
and hormone blockers. There's some comments here that I'd like
to play for you, Rich. Have you respond to You
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may have heard them before, you may not have, But
this is from Chase Strangeo, who is the trans mail
attorney who was arguing before the Supreme Court, from an
interview with Jake Tapper, and it's a very shortcut, but
I would like you to respond to it.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
These are young people who may have known since they
were two years old exactly who they are.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I don't know that I have any memories from being
two years old, Rich, do you? And do you know
exactly who you are at such an early age?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I don't believe. So. I believe that if you have
a two year old that's saying that they identify as trands,
it's like saying that you have a cat that's a vegan.
We know who's driving that narrative. And unfortunately, at that age,
I don't think a child does understand that a child
that age probably still believes in the tooth Fairy. I
hope that those children at that age, Oh, Santa Claus
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is going to come, yeah, and that they've been on
the good list and the Easter Bunny comes and bring
them things like that. At that age, you do not
have a fully developed preprintal cortex, and you have a
very active imagination. I am all about encouraging that. I
believe me personally, I was a young boy girl. I
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loved to wear clothes up were like stresses and heels,
and I love to play with things like my sister's dolls.
And I love to cook, and I love to sew.
I would have been considered trans if that was today,
and my parents would have been told that I need
to undergo puberty blockers, be put on estrogen at two.
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I cannot imagine doing that to your child ad too,
And then I would have been mutilated the way they
do these young boys who are more feminine, or the
way these young girls who are more masculine. Those characteristics,
what we call gender and stereotypes, were things that we
spent decades trying to dismantle, only to have this transgender
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ideology reinforce. The concepts of gender norms and what people
are going to call the patriarchy. So it's really ironic
that they don't understand the double take on this and
these children just because a boy of seminine or a
girl of masculine does not make them trand a need
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to protect those children.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim our guest. He is a gay man.
He is part of Gays against Groomers. I mean, I
think about you telling that story, Rich and just how
thankful you must be that you're simply a gay man
now and you didn't have to undergo any of this.
I mean, there was a coming out that had to
have happened. At some point you recognized you were a
gay man. But that process, I have to imagine by comparison,
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is just infinitely easier than having the regret of having
your body mutilated and being unable to do anything about it.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
There is no greater hate than the act of someone
telling a child that there is something inherently wrong with them,
and the only way that they can fix that and
accept be accepted in society is to undergo the mutilation
and sterilization.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I want to play for you too, this clip from
a net Benning, the famous actress, and it's just such
a nauseating clip and it's scary and chilling at the
same time.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
To me, I think the greatest gift of my life
is to have kids, and to have a transgender child
has made.
Speaker 8 (15:16):
Me so much more interesting, so much more wise.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So she makes it about her, the transgender child.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
This is my fear rich.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It becomes a trophy for these leftists that are looking
to score points in their social circles, Munchausen by proxy,
to be viewed as brave and stunning and oh, how
did you even get through this? You're such a wonderful
champion for this cause. And Bill Maher contains that it
might be entirely a social contagion, just based on where
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there tend to be trans kids and quotes and where
there aren't, and just your view on this and how
some people are just taking this to ridiculous extremes.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I do not disagree with Bill Maher. I think one
of the things that I find mind blowing growing up,
you tend to be isolated as a gay man or
a lesbian girl. I feel like you're alone in the world.
And the Kimsey theory that I heard about in college
postulates that there are about ten percent of the population
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who would identify as holmosexual, and so that that seems
to be more in line with reality. But what we're
seeing now is Couder School district, for example, fifty the
school districts to brag about the fact that fifty percent
of the student body identifies as LDBT IQA plus no
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way one. I believe it is social contagion because they're
being influenced by social media, They're being influenced by the
things that they're seeing on television, They're being influenced by
the fact that school curriculum now requires them to be
taught about queer theory and gender ideology at the age
of six. They are seeing this stuff. And now not
only is it a social contagion, but if you want
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to be part of the pool kids club, you no
longer can be straight and it's not even it's kind
of passee if you're gay or lesbian, So you have
to identify as clear or trans or something else to
be able to be part of that club. And so
again to me, these things are very homophobic and it
goes against the grain of what we advocated for, and
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that it is simply to be able to live our
life as authentic people.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
He is authentically joining us here doctor Rich Guggenheim Gaze
against groomers.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You can follow him on X once again at fifty
two eighty based Homo.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
And there is one other clip I want you to
react to here, Rich and again stunning. This is coming
from a Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States,
Sonya Soda.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Mayor cannot eliminate the risk of detransitioners. So it becomes
a pure exercise of weighing benefits versus risk, and the
question of how many my have to have their bodies
irreparably harmed for unproven benefits is one that is best left.
Speaker 9 (18:06):
I'm sorry, Counselor. Every medical treatment has a risk, even
taking aspirin.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
To equivocate the side effects of taking aspirin with the long,
raging side effects and irreparable damage to bodies done by
transgender reassignment surgeries, I mean, can you even wrap your
head around this, Rich, I honestly can't.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
I find it absolutely disgusting. And when you see nothing
if you see She also made the same statement in
this oral argument that it is a kid to getting
your hair cut. My hair. What growth has to get
cut every several weeks because it grows. If you chop
off a body part on a human, that body part
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does not grow back. If I can't understand how she's
equating this type of stuff to taking an ass and
yet Sonia, she probably does think that it is innocuous,
but at some point in time that she then how
it goes back to the fact that she simply does
not care. This is a woke homophobia and she has
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fully subscribed to it, and she doesn't care about the
damage that it causes to people. She doesn't care about
the damage that it causes two children, She doesn't care
about the damage that it causes to families and to
communities because she's so dismissive of it.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You can find out more once again, follow his feed
on x for the very latest. We are hopeful that
a verdict in there, a decision in this case rather
will come out supporting the state of Tennessee to be
able to make its own laws regarding whether or not
kids can be subject to hormone blockers or gender reassignment
surgery disguised as gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But I think Rich put it so well.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You're affirming a lie. You're promising something that you cannot deliver.
It's much what I said yesterday, and Rich is echoing
those sentiments today. He is doing the good work, you know.
Please be sure to support him as well at fifty
two based Homo on X and he's part of Gays
Against Groomers. What a wonderful organization it is, doctor rich Gugenheim,
thank you so much for your time. I'll be sure
to keep in touch and we'll follow up as the
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time develops.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Great.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Thank you, doctor Rich Gugenheim.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
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Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson, comparing the ban on sex changes
for kids to the bands on interracial marriage over the years.
It's a civil rights issue for toddlers, for toddlers, my goodness.
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comments celebrating the assassination of Brian Thompson, the United Healthcare CEO.
Much more on this Supreme Court case that was such
a landmark event this week from both a legal and
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medical perspective with doctor Travis Morell, MD. When we return
after this short time out Friday edition of Ryan Schuling
Live rolls on after this.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
That was sort of like the starting point.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
The question was whether it was discriminatory because it applied
to both races and it wasn't necessarily invidious or whatever.
But you know, as I read the statue here, excuse
me the case here. You know, the court starts off
by saying that Virginia is now one of sixteen states
which prohibit and punished marriages on the basis of racial classifications.
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And when you look at the structure of that law,
it looks in terms of incontinuing you can't do something
that is inconsistent with your own characteristics.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's sort of the same thing. So it's interesting to
me that we now have.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
This different argument, and I wonder whether Virginia could have
gotten away with what they did here by just making
a classification argument the way that Tennessee is in this case.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yes, I think that's exactly right, that there is absolutely
a parallel between any law that says you can't act
inconsistent with a protected characteristic.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
False equivalencies abound.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
That was really the theme of the Supreme Court hearings
when it came to the leftist judges just making fools
of themselves. That was Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson comparing the
ban on sex changes for kids, for minors, for toddlers
in some cases, comparing those to bands on interracial marriage,
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and Elizabeth Prailgar, who is the Solicitor General in this case,
agreeing with that characterization. And of course we talked about
Justice Sonya Soda Mayor comparing and saying that any medical
treatment has a risk, even taking aspirin. So comparing the
irreparable damage and harm done by transgender reassignments, surgeries on kids,
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on developing kids, prescribing hormone blockers for children that stump
their growth and development that cannot be undone, to the
potential side effects of taking aspirin. These are unseerious people,
but it's a very serious issue and joining us now.
He was there at the Capital at the Supreme Court
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of the United States advocating for the right of Tennessee
to enforce its own state law prohibiting such procedures for minors,
and the other side would have it that this would
be some kind of civil rights violation, that a child
should be able to define whether or not they are transgender,
to make that decision, to make life changing medical decisions
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that have agency in that choice. Doctor Travis Morrell, MD
joins us in his pinned post on x as follows,
could not say it better. This is almost word for
word what I was saying yesterday and before I even
read this quote. Puberty isn't mere cosmetic changes. Puberty is
a one time, non repeatable hormone boosted development of your brain, bones,
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relational and reproductive abilities. There's no second chance at it.
Don't block a kid's healthy puberty. Humans have a right
to grow and not to be left out of this
entire equation. We've talked about this before, I have interviewed
trans individuals on this subject.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Your ability to enjoy sexual.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Activities is stunted by a lot of what is done
in Frankenstein like fashion to these kids. Doctor Morrell joins me.
Now on Ryan Schuling Live, Doctor Morrell, thank you so
much for your.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
Time, Ryan, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It's an honor, absolutely honored to have you.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And if you could just reflect upon what we witnessed
at the Supreme Court in oral arguments there, what your
main takeaways were from it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Where does this stand right now in your mind? Yeah, so,
as you know, the.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
Oral arguments usually last an hour. I was able to
be in the room as this went on, and they
were over two hours in twenty three minutes. So it's
kind of crazy. I think ten years back, looking back,
that we had nine of the smartest people in the
country arguing about whether we can continue putting eight to
thirteen year olds on puberty blockers and stopping their brain
development irreversibly in addition to their relational abilities that you
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alluded to, and then cutting off breasts at fifteen. Like
Medicaid pays for all this in Colorado, it's legal to
get that done in Colorado. I mean, it's kind of
crazy that they're arguing about that, but I am pretty
confident that the justices will let the twenty five states
that have these bands remain in place.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
It feels like it'll be a six to three decision,
with maybe Justice Chief Justice Roberts equivocating a bit in
agreeing with the majority opinion. This is just a prediction
from me. But I'm trying to wrap my head around
the other side of this argument because I see it
so clearly. I believe as you do, doctor Morrell, and
the youureuparable damage this does.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And whether they just deny that outright.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That no, a kid doesn't have to go through pubreding,
what are you talking about, Or that there's some kind
of substitute for puberty by giving them the opposite hormone
like a young male giving that person estrogen, or giving
a young female testosterone that somehow can serve as a
substitute for that, or if it's just the benefits as
they see it psychologically from a happiness, self contentment standpoint,
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self actualization standpoint, those are simply outweighing any kind of
developmental damage done to their bodies.
Speaker 11 (26:29):
Brian, You're right on so I and I think most
doctors see it the way you do. Actually, sixty two
percent of colraad of doctors, when pulled on this in June,
said that this kind of stuff is equivalent to genital mutilation.
So I think your average doctor that's practicing agrees with you.
But the ACLU lawyer arguing in DC this week. I
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think what they're trying to say, they're trying to build
this imaginary idea that somehow, this transcender identity or this
girl identity, a boy's body, this boy soul and a
girl's body or whatever is some kind of real, not
only real thing, but equivocal equivalent to a boy.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Simply being a boy.
Speaker 11 (27:11):
And there's I don't know what to tell you. It's
it's science fiction or magical thinking. And it's insane that
we had to have a two and a half hour
argument over it.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Follow him on X at Morrell MD MPH.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
He is doctor Travis Morrell, MD, And that MPH part
of my ignorance here, doctor Morrell.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
But what does that stand for? What does it mean?
Speaker 11 (27:31):
Yeah, it's a Master's in Public Health degree. And I
really don't like to put a bunch of degrees online.
But I've seen one thing medicine does right now is
activism more than evidence based. And I've seen people we
use public health as an excuse for activism. And some
things are not to be decided on by the government
by doctor something. So if people have as much a
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right to a voice and opinion as anybody as a doctor,
and so but a public health degree is my experience
in public health, vaccines, in global medicine.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We're talking to two very important voices in this cause
to protect children. In the previous segment was doctor Rich
Guggenheim of Gays against Groomers, who was also there in Washington,
d C. Fighting the good fight and currently with doctor
Travis Morrell, MD on the legal and medical aspects of
this entire case. Now, one of the things I think
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the election results state this. It was a central issue
in a lot of the swing states. In the priority
that the left had been putting on trans movement, trans surgeries,
transfer kids. It was just beyond the pale, and I
think the average American had either had enough of it
or just thought it went entirely too far.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And in one of your posts here, this term.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That keeps coming up, doctor Morrell, gender affirming care isn't
the actual truth, the opposite of what these treatments do,
which is gender denying care. It is denying the gender
with which an individual was born and trying to pretend otherwise.
Speaker 11 (28:59):
Yes, exactly right. A better more accurate term would probably
be pediatric sex change or pediatric sex trait alteration or
something like that. Not sex change, sex trait alteration. Unfortunately,
Jared pouls Is signed twenty nineteen bill that prohibits professionals,
especially in mental health, from affirming a kid's actual sex.
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That's legal in Colorado. So yeah, the words in all
this are backwards, upside down in magic. Yes, even if
you will.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
You're dead on Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I wanted to play one other comment here from Chase Strangio,
and this just it boggles the mind. But I want
you to respond to it with your medical background and expertise.
Speaker 12 (29:43):
What do you say to physicians who are sensitive and
supportive of trans kids obviously don't want suicidal ideation, etc.
But wonder if there is enough data as of now
to prove that it is beneficial to allow now these
sort of treatments before the age of eighteen.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
So I would say three things, And the first is,
we have decades of both clinical experience and research data
showing that this is medical treatment that provides critical benefits.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
To adolescents who need it.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
And so this is not new This is not new medication,
and so we have that information.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
We have long term.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Studies that track people for five six years. The Supreme
Court this week art arguments in an FDA case, which
the FDA referred to long term as being six months
of follow up. Here we have years of follow up.
And so that's the first thing.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Justice Samuel Leto seemed to refute that based on a
British study that he brought up during oral arguments there.
How would you respond to what you just heard, doctor Morrell?
Speaker 11 (30:44):
Yeah, I kept hearing them say decades of experience and
that's just a lie. The really didn't come over to
the Dutch study that kind of kicked this off was
twenty eleven, and we had that Dutch study that did
seem so showed some help. Was we tried to repeat
that in the UK and in the US. The UK
study showed didn't help, wasn't safe. The US study we've
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apparently the researcher had researchers known for several years that
this stuff didn't help kids and wasn't found to be
safe or helpful. And she just announced the New York
Times a few weeks ago that she was going to
hide that data and not was waiting, was not wanting
to publish it because she was afraid that people would
use the data to not do these harmful treatments. Of course,
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today it was announced in the Economists that she's being
sued by a d transitioner whose breast she had cut
off at the age of fourteen. And so, yeah, it's
just not been proven. We've had six systematic reviews published
in the British Medical Journal, which is a prestigious journal
and reviewed by the Casts Review. There's no evidence that
it helps or is safe. Even American Society Plastic Surgery
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recently came out and said that there was a poor
quality evidence.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That they'd done in favor of it.
Speaker 11 (31:52):
So that's just completely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It seems to be a damning indictment just based on
the facts as we know them now.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Doctor Travis Morrell, our guest, now continuing with what Chase
Strangio was saying in this interview with Jake Temper, And.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
Then the second thing I would say is nobody has
to provide this medication to adolescents. These are not doctors
being forced to provide this medication. These are doctors who
are wanting to treat their patients in the best way
that they know how, based on the best available evidence
to us. And these are young people who may have
known since they were two years old exactly who they
are who suffered for six seven years before they.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Had any relief.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
And what's happening here. It's not the kids who are
consenting to this treatment, it's the parents who are consenting
to the treatment. And as a parent, I would say
we when our children are suffering, we are suffering.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And these are parents.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Who love their children, who are listening to the advice
of their doctors, of the mainstream medical community and doing
what's right for their kids. In the state of Tennessee
has displaced their judgment.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And isn't it the case often, not just sometimes, but often,
doctor Morrell, that someone needs to step in at times
and protect children from their parents who might be engaging
in some mental unstable behavior, doesn't matter what it is.
And we had this clip from Anette Betting as well
showing just how self absorbed and maybe there's some munch
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housing by proxy going on.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
I think the greatest gift of my life is to
have kids, and to have a transgender child has made me.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
So much more interesting, so much more wise.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
What about this argument, doctor, that hey, we're not forcing
the doctors to provide the treatment to just those doctors
who decide to provide the treatment for kids if they
have the consent of the parents, well we should go
ahead and let them do it.
Speaker 11 (33:39):
Ryan I helped write a legal brief earlier this year
defending a parent in this state whose kid is being
transitioned against the parents will by doctors in Colorado. The
idea that this is about parents rights. I mean, parents
are are getting taken away from their kids. Our kids
are getta taken over their parents. This is being done
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without parents permission. In Colorado thinks stabilities be ten thirty nine.
At school, your kid's name can be changed without.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Your knowledge or permission.
Speaker 11 (34:10):
And as we know from the cast review, that's called
social transition, and that's a first step and a one
way path to blockers, hormones and surgery. Some studies show
that ninety eight percent of people to go on blockers
or to one hundred go on hormones, and then again
most of those gone to surgery. So I think she
has a chase he air Chrager has the parents' rights
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just completely mixed up. And when you know that most
of these kids are going to grow out of it,
and we've known that for decades, even in the published
twenty twenty two Psychiatric Bible, it says that up to
ninety eight zero point eight percent of boys grow out
of this if you just leave them alone till they
become an adult. I mean, this is really the wrong
way to go about this.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
The right way to go about it is what he
is pursuing on behalf of children following science and the
truth and what biology has told us for tens of
thousands of years when it comes to human des development, growth,
and we need kids to go through biological puberty to
obstruct that is, to sentence them to a life of suffering,
plain and simple.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You can follow him.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
On x at Morell md MPH. That's Morell with two
rs and two l's Doctor Travis Morell. Our guests so
enjoyed this conversation, Doctor Morell. It's so important to have
and I look forward to many more with you.
Speaker 11 (35:23):
Shame here, Ryan, have a great weekend, and thanks for
covering this important topic for our.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Kids, absolutely and for all of you out there that
might have thoughts. Five seven, seven three nine, And when
we come back, we'll name our Friday Fool the Week
based on your votes. Once again, the nominee Sunny Hostin
is anything changed, No, She's pretty much a nominee every
week atte betting. Who you just heard, Chase Strangeo, Who
you just heard? Justice Sonya Soda Mayor about comparing these
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gender reassignment surgeries to aspirin.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Everything has a risk?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
And Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson comparing the band on sex
changes for kids two bands on interracial marriage. Wrapping up
this Friday edition of Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
After this.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Winding down warning nominees for a Friday Fool of the Week,
Sunny hostin as usual a Nett Benning, Chase strange E O,
Justice Sonia Soda Mayor, and Justice Kantanji Brown Jackson, a
two fer from the bench of Scotis, and we turned
to Kelly Kuchera to decide our winner here today.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
It was a close one. I hear. It was a
close one right and in the end Justice so.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
My goodness, I was gonna say a Net Benning with
a rocket to the top would have been my vote.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Oh God, you a couple of votes edged out.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Give the people what they want. That's what I've learned
in this business. And here you go our Friday Fool
of the Week. Justice Sonya Soto Mayor.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Cannot eliminate the risk of detransitioners, So it becomes a
pure exercise of of weighing benefits versus risk, and the
question of how many miners have to have their boss
irreparably harmed for unproven benefits is one that is best left.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
I'm sorry, counselor. Every medical treatment has a risk, even
taking aspirin. There is always going to be a percentage
of the population under any medical treatment that's going to
suffer a harm.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So the question, in my mind is not.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
Do policy makers decide whether one person's life is more
valuable than the millions of others who get relief from
this treatment. The question is can you stop one sex
from the other.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
That's a myth that there is some kind of pantasy
of happiness waiting at the end of the rainbow for
people that undergo gender reassignment surgery. I'm not saying it's
a zero percent number. Maybe there are those who made
this decision as an adult, present as the opposite sex
and are perfectly fine and happy and healthy and they
feel fulfilled. I think that's possible, but I don't think
it's a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. We
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see so many detransitioners who were absolutely miserable.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
They did not experience the.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Long lasting happiness or contentment that was supposed to come
along with the gender mutilation they endured, and then they
cannot undo it. Thanks to all of our guests today,
Deborah Flora in our number one and our number two
two doctors Rich Guggenheim and Travis Morrell, for joining us
on this very important topic heard before the Supreme Court
this week.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'll join you back on Monday here at two pm.
Ryan Shuting live on six point thirty k out
Feels like these are not hateful and they are not
anti LGBTQ or even about the nine children needed medical services. However,
if the LGBTQ plus community seeks to repair the damage
they caused themselves, they need to stop supporting trans being children.
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It is in their best interest to advocate for policies
that ensure that the treatments provided are appropriate, evidence based,
and in the best interests of the child.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We remain committed to.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
This cause of advocating for the protection and well being
of children, and we encourage.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You to get involved. Testify at your school boards.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Testify at your city council, and show up to your
state capitals to fight for the protection of children. Our
future depends on you getting involved in this today.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim from earlier this week on the steps
of the Supreme Court in Washington, d C. He is
part of Gays Against Gruber's, a noble organization that is
fighting on behalf of children, the gay community separating itself
from the trans the kids community, and I think that's
an important distinction. And Rich joins us now here on
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Ryan Schuling Live. Happy to have him in his time. Thanks,
thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
For joining me, Rich, thank you for inviting me take.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Us through that entire experience. You delivered that speech there.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What that was like?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It seemed like there was a competing rally not far away.
I could hear them off mike with a megaphone. What
was going on there?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, that rally was in him So it was literally
feet away from where we were. There's probably four feet
separating us from them. And they are obviously a lot
more well funded than we are and a lot more
well known than we are. They are people that you
might have heard of, like the ACLU, the Human Rights
Campaign and Land the Legal and they do all that
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they can to try and drown us out and silence us.
They are the organizations that I like to say, speak
at us, for us, over us, and about us, but
don't speak with us. There making a lot of noise,
But I was there to say, as a gay man,
I do not support harming children under the guise of
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LGBT rights.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Some of the conversations I've had Rich with Vladimar Argoletta
and others who are part of the log cabin Republicans,
part of these against groomers, were there is so much
progress made for gay individuals like yourself when it comes
to civil rights, the right to marry, the Supreme Court
ruling along those lines as well, that you feel like
maybe you're losing ground when something like this, which is
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so outlandish and so beyond the paal, as you put it,
has inflicted damage on the community at I want to
make sure I get this part of your clip isolated.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think this was it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Impair the damage they caused themselves.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So right there?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Can you expand on that a little bit and where
you feel your standing is a member of LGBT, but
fighting against the transing of kids exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You know, as a gay man, I worked with organizations
that I now work. I'm just going to say, do
not work with me and do not represent me. I
wanted the same freedom and liberty that everybody else in
the heterosexual community had. I wanted the right to be
able to get married. I wanted for people who are
in the military to be able to serve our military
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and serve our country openly and authentically. And that freedom
and liberty is what we fought for and achieved. And unfortunately,
what we've seen now is this movement has moved towards
stripping people of their freedom and their liberties. I think
that this ideology of harming children and under the guise
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of LGBT rights is actually stripping children of their freedoms
and liberties. It's stripping them because it robbed some of
their innocents, and it deprive them of a future to
be productive, happy, healthy citizens. And that ultimately is one
of the fundamental freedoms that we have, is the right
to live happy, healthy lives.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim our guest Gaze against Groomers. You can
follow him on x at fifty to eighty based Homo,
Am I allowed to say that?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't know. I hope you say.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I hope you can, because if you can't, I guess
they'll get that notice from the sec lawe right.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, No, I think it's fine.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I just you know, I don't want to offend anybody,
as you know, as I say that handle. But I've
seen some of the stuff that you post on there.
It's hilarious, but there's a point to it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Rich. I'm I'm hoping that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
But as you kind of expose a lot of the hypocrisies,
the double standards, just for instance yourself and the political
or that you have. You don't fit like a neat
cookie cutter like a lot of people on the left
want you to fit. It probably want you to stand down,
shut up, not speak up the way.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That you are you.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
How have you been able to navigate that in terms
of your own deeply held political beliefs.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Well, I'm sure you know it's tough. Unfortunately, the community
that preaches this gofful of being inclusive, tolerant, accepting and
welcoming and living as your authentic self really, ultimately, I
say the cult, they don't want that at all. They
want you to assimilate and conform. And if you don't
do that, they are going to kick you out of
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the cult and they are going to shun you and
isolate you and scorn you and silence you. And that
is very antithetical to everything that they believe in. And
I I will not conform, and I will not comply.
I am going to speak my truth. And that really
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means that. Unfortunately, in Denver, most of the gay bars
here will not welcome me into the gay bars. They
will not welcome me into the community. I get told
that I am a traitor, and I've been called all
kinds of slurs. Ironically enough, there is a young man
from Denver who gets paid to flight at places like
DC and protests to these things, and he will use
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homophobic slurs against people like me, and he himself apparently
is part of the ALPHABETI spaghetti.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Take me through that a little bit, because I've had
conversations yourself, but also with Valdemar and others that are
part of maybe log cabin Republicans and inclusive that's a word.
But it's so ironic that a lot of these people
who are on the left are going to shun you,
of all people, when you've done so much to fight
in that direction, to progress with rights for individuals who
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identify as LGBT, and yet there's this division and you
cut the alphabet I see this in your own X
handle or LGB and then scissors and then TQ and
then you got ia and two S and plus I
mean the alphabet stuff. It seems like it's gotten carried away.
It's almost become like a caricature of itself.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
How do you navigate that?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I'll just say this, what we really advocate for is
protecting rights that come from the understanding of biological sex.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And if you.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Cannot find what something is based off of biology, in
this case a man or a woman. You start erasing
the biological understanding of sex, and then you start you
have to erase protections that are based off of sex.
And we saw this this last session in the legislature
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with Senate Bill twenty four eighty nine that was sponsored
by Senator Chris Hansen and Ron the Fields where they
struck through the legal protections that were granted to Colorado
citizens based off of sexual orientation and replaced that with
gender identity and gender expression. And so we are literally
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as homosexuals being erased and our rights are being erased
under the skise of gender identity. And that is something
that nobody should be accepting. No gay person, no lesbian person,
nobody should be advocating for taking away someone's rights under
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the guise of inclusivity.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
One.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
If you can't protect what you cannot define aptly.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Put right there.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And we knew that Kontanji Brown Jackson during our confirmation hearing,
famously or rather infamously, could not define what a woman was.
She wasn't a biologist, was her excuse? Doctor Rich Guggenheim
gaze against groomers, Our guests now. I have had conversations
with trans individuals, including Sarah Higden, who is a friend
of mine and is active on the national stage, pulling
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in much the same direction that you or I are doing,
but that a lot of the trans movement is based
on confusion. That there might be a young person who
is confused about their changing bodies, but then also about
maybe their sexual orientation. And one tragic case of a
trans individual I interviewed rich was somebody that had internalized homophobia,
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that did not want to be gay, and therefore thought, however, irrationally,
that if this person who was born an Asian American
male transformed into a female, therefore at that point would
be heterosexual.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Do you encounter a lot of those stories out there.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I do, and that's heartbreaking because what we're doing is
we're selling parents, and we're selling children alive. We're selling
them this idea that if you just inject chemicals into
your body and you just go ahead and mutilate your
body and disfigure your body and live this idea that
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you can become the opposite gender or opposite sex, so
you're going to be happy. And what people are waking
up and realizing is as a child, I may have
thought that because I was very uncomfortable in my body
as a teenager going through puberty and what child is not.
But they grow out of it, and then they realize
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that they have made a decision that they cannot reverse.
They can't go back and undo what they've done to
their body. And unfortunately they're also being told that the
line is would you rather have a living son or
a dead daughter? And that is I can't imagine being
a parent being faced to that conflict. And so of
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course you want to do as a parent what you
think is going to do your child the best and
give them the best opportunities in life. And so you're
going to say, okay, well, yeah, we should do this.
But where you know that this myth of suicide is
a lie, that this idea of you being able to
be happy is a lie. The science does not bear
that out. It disproves those theories the most talking points,
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and ultimately what it is, in my opinion, is a
form of modern day conversion therapy where we are saying
it is better for you to have a trans child
than a gauge child. So it's homophobic.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim gaze against groomers joining us here. He
was in Washington, d c. For this landmark hearing by
the Supreme Court of the United States the law in
Tennessee which currently prohibits miners from undergoing sex change operations
and hormone blockers. There's some comments here that I'd like
to play for you, Rich. Have you respond to You
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may have heard them before, you may not have, But
this is from Chase Strangeo, who is the trans mail
attorney who was arguing before the Supreme Court, from an
interview with Jake Tapper, and it's a very shortcut, but
I would like you to respond to it.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
These are young people who may have known since they
were two years old exactly who they are.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I don't know that I have any memories from being
two years old, Rich, do you? And do you know
exactly who you are at such an early age?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I don't believe. So. I believe that if you have
a two year old that's saying that they identify as trands,
it's like saying that you have a cat that's a vegan.
We know who's driving that narrative. And unfortunately, at that age,
I don't think a child does understand that a child
that age probably still believes in the tooth Fairy. I
hope that those children at that age, Oh, Santa Claus
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is going to come, yeah, and that they've been on
the good list and the Easter Bunny comes and bring
them things like that. At that age, you do not
have a fully developed preprintal cortex, and you have a
very active imagination. I am all about encouraging that. I
believe me personally, I was a young boy girl. I
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loved to wear clothes up were like stresses and heels,
and I love to play with things like my sister's dolls.
And I love to cook, and I love to sew.
I would have been considered trans if that was today,
and my parents would have been told that I need
to undergo puberty blockers, be put on estrogen at two.
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I cannot imagine doing that to your child ad too,
And then I would have been mutilated the way they
do these young boys who are more feminine, or the
way these young girls who are more masculine. Those characteristics,
what we call gender and stereotypes, were things that we
spent decades trying to dismantle, only to have this transgender
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ideology reinforce. The concepts of gender norms and what people
are going to call the patriarchy. So it's really ironic
that they don't understand the double take on this and
these children just because a boy of seminine or a
girl of masculine does not make them trand a need
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to protect those children.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim our guest. He is a gay man.
He is part of Gays against Groomers. I mean, I
think about you telling that story, Rich and just how
thankful you must be that you're simply a gay man
now and you didn't have to undergo any of this.
I mean, there was a coming out that had to
have happened. At some point you recognized you were a
gay man. But that process, I have to imagine by comparison,
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is just infinitely easier than having the regret of having
your body mutilated and being unable to do anything about it.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
There is no greater hate than the act of someone
telling a child that there is something inherently wrong with them,
and the only way that they can fix that and
accept be accepted in society is to undergo the mutilation
and sterilization.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I want to play for you too, this clip from
a net Benning, the famous actress, and it's just such
a nauseating clip and it's scary and chilling at the
same time.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
To me, I think the greatest gift of my life
is to have kids, and to have a transgender child
has made.
Speaker 8 (15:16):
Me so much more interesting, so much more wise.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So she makes it about her, the transgender child.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
This is my fear rich.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It becomes a trophy for these leftists that are looking
to score points in their social circles, Munchausen by proxy,
to be viewed as brave and stunning and oh, how
did you even get through this? You're such a wonderful
champion for this cause. And Bill Maher contains that it
might be entirely a social contagion, just based on where
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there tend to be trans kids and quotes and where
there aren't, and just your view on this and how
some people are just taking this to ridiculous extremes.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I do not disagree with Bill Maher. I think one
of the things that I find mind blowing growing up,
you tend to be isolated as a gay man or
a lesbian girl. I feel like you're alone in the world.
And the Kimsey theory that I heard about in college
postulates that there are about ten percent of the population
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who would identify as holmosexual, and so that that seems
to be more in line with reality. But what we're
seeing now is Couder School district, for example, fifty the
school districts to brag about the fact that fifty percent
of the student body identifies as LDBT IQA plus no
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way one. I believe it is social contagion because they're
being influenced by social media, They're being influenced by the
things that they're seeing on television, They're being influenced by
the fact that school curriculum now requires them to be
taught about queer theory and gender ideology at the age
of six. They are seeing this stuff. And now not
only is it a social contagion, but if you want
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to be part of the pool kids club, you no
longer can be straight and it's not even it's kind
of passee if you're gay or lesbian, So you have
to identify as clear or trans or something else to
be able to be part of that club. And so
again to me, these things are very homophobic and it
goes against the grain of what we advocated for, and
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that it is simply to be able to live our
life as authentic people.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
He is authentically joining us here doctor Rich Guggenheim Gaze
against groomers.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You can follow him on X once again at fifty
two eighty based Homo.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
And there is one other clip I want you to
react to here, Rich and again stunning. This is coming
from a Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States,
Sonya Soda.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Mayor cannot eliminate the risk of detransitioners. So it becomes
a pure exercise of weighing benefits versus risk, and the
question of how many my have to have their bodies
irreparably harmed for unproven benefits is one that is best left.
Speaker 9 (18:06):
I'm sorry, Counselor. Every medical treatment has a risk, even
taking aspirin.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
To equivocate the side effects of taking aspirin with the long,
raging side effects and irreparable damage to bodies done by
transgender reassignment surgeries, I mean, can you even wrap your
head around this, Rich, I honestly can't.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
I find it absolutely disgusting. And when you see nothing
if you see She also made the same statement in
this oral argument that it is a kid to getting
your hair cut. My hair. What growth has to get
cut every several weeks because it grows. If you chop
off a body part on a human, that body part
(18:53):
does not grow back. If I can't understand how she's
equating this type of stuff to taking an ass and
yet Sonia, she probably does think that it is innocuous,
but at some point in time that she then how
it goes back to the fact that she simply does
not care. This is a woke homophobia and she has
(19:16):
fully subscribed to it, and she doesn't care about the
damage that it causes to people. She doesn't care about
the damage that it causes two children, She doesn't care
about the damage that it causes to families and to
communities because she's so dismissive of it.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You can find out more once again, follow his feed
on x for the very latest. We are hopeful that
a verdict in there, a decision in this case rather
will come out supporting the state of Tennessee to be
able to make its own laws regarding whether or not
kids can be subject to hormone blockers or gender reassignment
surgery disguised as gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But I think Rich put it so well.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You're affirming a lie. You're promising something that you cannot deliver.
It's much what I said yesterday, and Rich is echoing
those sentiments today. He is doing the good work, you know.
Please be sure to support him as well at fifty
two based Homo on X and he's part of Gays
Against Groomers. What a wonderful organization it is, doctor rich Gugenheim,
thank you so much for your time. I'll be sure
to keep in touch and we'll follow up as the
(20:18):
time develops.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Great.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Thank you, doctor Rich Gugenheim.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
There your thoughts, your reaction via text five seven seven
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Friday Fool of the Week. Sony said, tomar is one
of those nominees. So is Chase strange EO. So is
Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson, comparing the ban on sex changes
for kids to the bands on interracial marriage over the years.
It's a civil rights issue for toddlers, for toddlers, my goodness.
(20:47):
And at Benning also one of those nominees who you
heard during that interview, and Sonny Austin seemingly touting heinous
comments celebrating the assassination of Brian Thompson, the United Healthcare CEO.
Much more on this Supreme Court case that was such
a landmark event this week from both a legal and
(21:07):
medical perspective with doctor Travis Morell, MD. When we return
after this short time out Friday edition of Ryan Schuling
Live rolls on after this.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
That was sort of like the starting point.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
The question was whether it was discriminatory because it applied
to both races and it wasn't necessarily invidious or whatever.
But you know, as I read the statue here, excuse
me the case here. You know, the court starts off
by saying that Virginia is now one of sixteen states
which prohibit and punished marriages on the basis of racial classifications.
(21:43):
And when you look at the structure of that law,
it looks in terms of incontinuing you can't do something
that is inconsistent with your own characteristics.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's sort of the same thing. So it's interesting to
me that we now have.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
This different argument, and I wonder whether Virginia could have
gotten away with what they did here by just making
a classification argument the way that Tennessee is in this case.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yes, I think that's exactly right, that there is absolutely
a parallel between any law that says you can't act
inconsistent with a protected characteristic.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
False equivalencies abound.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
That was really the theme of the Supreme Court hearings
when it came to the leftist judges just making fools
of themselves. That was Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson comparing the
ban on sex changes for kids, for minors, for toddlers
in some cases, comparing those to bands on interracial marriage,
(22:38):
and Elizabeth Prailgar, who is the Solicitor General in this case,
agreeing with that characterization. And of course we talked about
Justice Sonya Soda Mayor comparing and saying that any medical
treatment has a risk, even taking aspirin. So comparing the
irreparable damage and harm done by transgender reassignments, surgeries on kids,
(23:01):
on developing kids, prescribing hormone blockers for children that stump
their growth and development that cannot be undone, to the
potential side effects of taking aspirin. These are unseerious people,
but it's a very serious issue and joining us now.
He was there at the Capital at the Supreme Court
(23:22):
of the United States advocating for the right of Tennessee
to enforce its own state law prohibiting such procedures for minors,
and the other side would have it that this would
be some kind of civil rights violation, that a child
should be able to define whether or not they are transgender,
to make that decision, to make life changing medical decisions
(23:44):
that have agency in that choice. Doctor Travis Morrell, MD
joins us in his pinned post on x as follows,
could not say it better. This is almost word for
word what I was saying yesterday and before I even
read this quote. Puberty isn't mere cosmetic changes. Puberty is
a one time, non repeatable hormone boosted development of your brain, bones,
(24:07):
relational and reproductive abilities. There's no second chance at it.
Don't block a kid's healthy puberty. Humans have a right
to grow and not to be left out of this
entire equation. We've talked about this before, I have interviewed
trans individuals on this subject.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Your ability to enjoy sexual.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Activities is stunted by a lot of what is done
in Frankenstein like fashion to these kids. Doctor Morrell joins me.
Now on Ryan Schuling Live, Doctor Morrell, thank you so
much for your.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
Time, Ryan, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It's an honor, absolutely honored to have you.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And if you could just reflect upon what we witnessed
at the Supreme Court in oral arguments there, what your
main takeaways were from it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Where does this stand right now in your mind? Yeah, so,
as you know, the.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
Oral arguments usually last an hour. I was able to
be in the room as this went on, and they
were over two hours in twenty three minutes. So it's
kind of crazy. I think ten years back, looking back,
that we had nine of the smartest people in the
country arguing about whether we can continue putting eight to
thirteen year olds on puberty blockers and stopping their brain
development irreversibly in addition to their relational abilities that you
(25:18):
alluded to, and then cutting off breasts at fifteen. Like
Medicaid pays for all this in Colorado, it's legal to
get that done in Colorado. I mean, it's kind of
crazy that they're arguing about that, but I am pretty
confident that the justices will let the twenty five states
that have these bands remain in place.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
It feels like it'll be a six to three decision,
with maybe Justice Chief Justice Roberts equivocating a bit in
agreeing with the majority opinion. This is just a prediction
from me. But I'm trying to wrap my head around
the other side of this argument because I see it
so clearly. I believe as you do, doctor Morrell, and
the youureuparable damage this does.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And whether they just deny that outright.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That no, a kid doesn't have to go through pubreding,
what are you talking about, Or that there's some kind
of substitute for puberty by giving them the opposite hormone
like a young male giving that person estrogen, or giving
a young female testosterone that somehow can serve as a
substitute for that, or if it's just the benefits as
they see it psychologically from a happiness, self contentment standpoint,
(26:20):
self actualization standpoint, those are simply outweighing any kind of
developmental damage done to their bodies.
Speaker 11 (26:29):
Brian, You're right on so I and I think most
doctors see it the way you do. Actually, sixty two
percent of colraad of doctors, when pulled on this in June,
said that this kind of stuff is equivalent to genital mutilation.
So I think your average doctor that's practicing agrees with you.
But the ACLU lawyer arguing in DC this week. I
(26:51):
think what they're trying to say, they're trying to build
this imaginary idea that somehow, this transcender identity or this
girl identity, a boy's body, this boy soul and a
girl's body or whatever is some kind of real, not
only real thing, but equivocal equivalent to a boy.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Simply being a boy.
Speaker 11 (27:11):
And there's I don't know what to tell you. It's
it's science fiction or magical thinking. And it's insane that
we had to have a two and a half hour
argument over it.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Follow him on X at Morrell MD MPH.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
He is doctor Travis Morrell, MD, And that MPH part
of my ignorance here, doctor Morrell.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
But what does that stand for? What does it mean?
Speaker 11 (27:31):
Yeah, it's a Master's in Public Health degree. And I
really don't like to put a bunch of degrees online.
But I've seen one thing medicine does right now is
activism more than evidence based. And I've seen people we
use public health as an excuse for activism. And some
things are not to be decided on by the government
by doctor something. So if people have as much a
(27:52):
right to a voice and opinion as anybody as a doctor,
and so but a public health degree is my experience
in public health, vaccines, in global medicine.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We're talking to two very important voices in this cause
to protect children. In the previous segment was doctor Rich
Guggenheim of Gays against Groomers, who was also there in Washington,
d C. Fighting the good fight and currently with doctor
Travis Morrell, MD on the legal and medical aspects of
this entire case. Now, one of the things I think
(28:22):
the election results state this. It was a central issue
in a lot of the swing states. In the priority
that the left had been putting on trans movement, trans surgeries,
transfer kids. It was just beyond the pale, and I
think the average American had either had enough of it
or just thought it went entirely too far.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And in one of your posts here, this term.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That keeps coming up, doctor Morrell, gender affirming care isn't
the actual truth, the opposite of what these treatments do,
which is gender denying care. It is denying the gender
with which an individual was born and trying to pretend otherwise.
Speaker 11 (28:59):
Yes, exactly right. A better more accurate term would probably
be pediatric sex change or pediatric sex trait alteration or
something like that. Not sex change, sex trait alteration. Unfortunately,
Jared pouls Is signed twenty nineteen bill that prohibits professionals,
especially in mental health, from affirming a kid's actual sex.
(29:21):
That's legal in Colorado. So yeah, the words in all
this are backwards, upside down in magic. Yes, even if
you will.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
You're dead on Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I wanted to play one other comment here from Chase Strangio,
and this just it boggles the mind. But I want
you to respond to it with your medical background and expertise.
Speaker 12 (29:43):
What do you say to physicians who are sensitive and
supportive of trans kids obviously don't want suicidal ideation, etc.
But wonder if there is enough data as of now
to prove that it is beneficial to allow now these
sort of treatments before the age of eighteen.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
So I would say three things, And the first is,
we have decades of both clinical experience and research data
showing that this is medical treatment that provides critical benefits.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
To adolescents who need it.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
And so this is not new This is not new medication,
and so we have that information.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
We have long term.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Studies that track people for five six years. The Supreme
Court this week art arguments in an FDA case, which
the FDA referred to long term as being six months
of follow up. Here we have years of follow up.
And so that's the first thing.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Justice Samuel Leto seemed to refute that based on a
British study that he brought up during oral arguments there.
How would you respond to what you just heard, doctor Morrell?
Speaker 11 (30:44):
Yeah, I kept hearing them say decades of experience and
that's just a lie. The really didn't come over to
the Dutch study that kind of kicked this off was
twenty eleven, and we had that Dutch study that did
seem so showed some help. Was we tried to repeat
that in the UK and in the US. The UK
study showed didn't help, wasn't safe. The US study we've
(31:08):
apparently the researcher had researchers known for several years that
this stuff didn't help kids and wasn't found to be
safe or helpful. And she just announced the New York
Times a few weeks ago that she was going to
hide that data and not was waiting, was not wanting
to publish it because she was afraid that people would
use the data to not do these harmful treatments. Of course,
(31:28):
today it was announced in the Economists that she's being
sued by a d transitioner whose breast she had cut
off at the age of fourteen. And so, yeah, it's
just not been proven. We've had six systematic reviews published
in the British Medical Journal, which is a prestigious journal
and reviewed by the Casts Review. There's no evidence that
it helps or is safe. Even American Society Plastic Surgery
(31:49):
recently came out and said that there was a poor
quality evidence.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That they'd done in favor of it.
Speaker 11 (31:52):
So that's just completely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It seems to be a damning indictment just based on
the facts as we know them now.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Doctor Travis Morrell, our guest, now continuing with what Chase
Strangio was saying in this interview with Jake Temper, And.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
Then the second thing I would say is nobody has
to provide this medication to adolescents. These are not doctors
being forced to provide this medication. These are doctors who
are wanting to treat their patients in the best way
that they know how, based on the best available evidence
to us. And these are young people who may have
known since they were two years old exactly who they
are who suffered for six seven years before they.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Had any relief.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
And what's happening here. It's not the kids who are
consenting to this treatment, it's the parents who are consenting
to the treatment. And as a parent, I would say
we when our children are suffering, we are suffering.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And these are parents.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Who love their children, who are listening to the advice
of their doctors, of the mainstream medical community and doing
what's right for their kids. In the state of Tennessee
has displaced their judgment.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And isn't it the case often, not just sometimes, but often,
doctor Morrell, that someone needs to step in at times
and protect children from their parents who might be engaging
in some mental unstable behavior, doesn't matter what it is.
And we had this clip from Anette Betting as well
showing just how self absorbed and maybe there's some munch
(33:08):
housing by proxy going on.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
I think the greatest gift of my life is to
have kids, and to have a transgender child has made me.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
So much more interesting, so much more wise.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
What about this argument, doctor, that hey, we're not forcing
the doctors to provide the treatment to just those doctors
who decide to provide the treatment for kids if they
have the consent of the parents, well we should go
ahead and let them do it.
Speaker 11 (33:39):
Ryan I helped write a legal brief earlier this year
defending a parent in this state whose kid is being
transitioned against the parents will by doctors in Colorado. The
idea that this is about parents rights. I mean, parents
are are getting taken away from their kids. Our kids
are getta taken over their parents. This is being done
(34:01):
without parents permission. In Colorado thinks stabilities be ten thirty nine.
At school, your kid's name can be changed without.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Your knowledge or permission.
Speaker 11 (34:10):
And as we know from the cast review, that's called
social transition, and that's a first step and a one
way path to blockers, hormones and surgery. Some studies show
that ninety eight percent of people to go on blockers
or to one hundred go on hormones, and then again
most of those gone to surgery. So I think she
has a chase he air Chrager has the parents' rights
(34:30):
just completely mixed up. And when you know that most
of these kids are going to grow out of it,
and we've known that for decades, even in the published
twenty twenty two Psychiatric Bible, it says that up to
ninety eight zero point eight percent of boys grow out
of this if you just leave them alone till they
become an adult. I mean, this is really the wrong
way to go about this.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
The right way to go about it is what he
is pursuing on behalf of children following science and the
truth and what biology has told us for tens of
thousands of years when it comes to human des development, growth,
and we need kids to go through biological puberty to
obstruct that is, to sentence them to a life of suffering,
plain and simple.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You can follow him.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
On x at Morell md MPH. That's Morell with two
rs and two l's Doctor Travis Morell. Our guests so
enjoyed this conversation, Doctor Morell. It's so important to have
and I look forward to many more with you.
Speaker 11 (35:23):
Shame here, Ryan, have a great weekend, and thanks for
covering this important topic for our.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Kids, absolutely and for all of you out there that
might have thoughts. Five seven, seven three nine, And when
we come back, we'll name our Friday Fool the Week
based on your votes. Once again, the nominee Sunny Hostin
is anything changed, No, She's pretty much a nominee every
week atte betting. Who you just heard, Chase Strangeo, Who
you just heard? Justice Sonya Soda Mayor about comparing these
(35:46):
gender reassignment surgeries to aspirin.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Everything has a risk?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
And Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson comparing the band on sex
changes for kids two bands on interracial marriage. Wrapping up
this Friday edition of Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
After this.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Winding down warning nominees for a Friday Fool of the Week,
Sunny hostin as usual a Nett Benning, Chase strange E O,
Justice Sonia Soda Mayor, and Justice Kantanji Brown Jackson, a
two fer from the bench of Scotis, and we turned
to Kelly Kuchera to decide our winner here today.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
It was a close one. I hear. It was a
close one right and in the end Justice so.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
My goodness, I was gonna say a Net Benning with
a rocket to the top would have been my vote.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Oh God, you a couple of votes edged out.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Give the people what they want. That's what I've learned
in this business. And here you go our Friday Fool
of the Week. Justice Sonya Soto Mayor.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Cannot eliminate the risk of detransitioners, So it becomes a
pure exercise of of weighing benefits versus risk, and the
question of how many miners have to have their boss
irreparably harmed for unproven benefits is one that is best left.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
I'm sorry, counselor. Every medical treatment has a risk, even
taking aspirin. There is always going to be a percentage
of the population under any medical treatment that's going to
suffer a harm.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So the question, in my mind is not.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
Do policy makers decide whether one person's life is more
valuable than the millions of others who get relief from
this treatment. The question is can you stop one sex
from the other.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
That's a myth that there is some kind of pantasy
of happiness waiting at the end of the rainbow for
people that undergo gender reassignment surgery. I'm not saying it's
a zero percent number. Maybe there are those who made
this decision as an adult, present as the opposite sex
and are perfectly fine and happy and healthy and they
feel fulfilled. I think that's possible, but I don't think
it's a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. We
(38:04):
see so many detransitioners who were absolutely miserable.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
They did not experience the.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Long lasting happiness or contentment that was supposed to come
along with the gender mutilation they endured, and then they
cannot undo it. Thanks to all of our guests today,
Deborah Flora in our number one and our number two
two doctors Rich Guggenheim and Travis Morrell, for joining us
on this very important topic heard before the Supreme Court
this week.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'll join you back on Monday here at two pm.
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