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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This upcoming Rocky Mountain Summit Safeguarding Children from Gender Affirming
Treatment that's on Sunday, April six, doors open at too.
You can get tickets online and you can do that
at aft on tickets dot com and you can do
that through the website Coloradodoctors dot org.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Just what you would say, you mentioned you went through
this as an adult.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You couldn't even imagine making these types of decisions, the
gravity of them as an adolescent, and we've seen a
lot of that right here in the state of Colorado.
Would be your bit of advice for a young person
that's experiencing gender dysphoria right now?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I would think that the most important thing is to
ask why, like why do you feel that this situation
works for you? And to always work from that space.
I think when you start to work backwards, it can
start to unfold, you know, possibly the real reasons why
you're doing that. I can only speak from my own
experience that for me, it was I was trying to
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find wholeness, you know, and I was disconnected from my
So if we could find a pattern, even with working
from there, we could find some sort of solution to
help with this. But I don't think this is the
right way. It's very on azicule, and it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's dangerous, said Evan de la Cruz, who told us
her harrowing tale yesterday on the program in her first
exclusive interview live over our airwaves. And we're so honored
that Evan chose us, and we want to thank doctor
Morrell for setting that up as well. But what stood
out to me in my conversation with Evan, and I
just allowed Evan the space to tell her story, and
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it's so convoluted, and things got complicated. A doctor who
truly means to do no harm, the hippocratic oath, things
should get easier, things should get better. Your best interest
should be at heart. And that is not what is
happening here with gender dysphoria, the treatment or lack thereof,
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provided by the medical community, many of whom are committed
to this pseudo science. It is not science. A person
born with a Y chromosome cannot become a two X
chromosome female. That is impossible. My body, I'm a fifty
year old man, has a Y chromosome. I produce testosterone
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varying degrees as I get older. But that's the point
of the matter, it will never stop doing that unless
I have some kind of ailment, and I will never
produce estrogen in the amounts that a woman would, and
vice versa. When you go the other way, and that's
what was happening here with Evan de la Cruz. She detransitioned.
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She had all these horrific Frankenstein like surgeries performed on
her her ovaries, removed a mastectomy when she was perfectly healthy.
There was no medical reason to do this. She was confused,
she was disoriented, as she said, she was not connected
to herself. And rather than the first step being we're
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going to get you count, we're going to provide you
therapy that's going to be open minded, that's going to
guide you in a direction that you are going to
help guide yourself. We are going to determine who you are,
what made you feel this way? How can we treat
it short of surgical reassignment, which should be I don't
even think it should be a last resort anymore. After
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the studying that I've done, the interviews that I've conducted,
the knowledge on this topic that I've acquired. In my opinion,
this is my opinion, I'm not gone through it, Evan has.
But I've talked about this with doctor Rich Guggenheim Gaze
against groomers, and I've talked about this with the log
Cabin Republicans who represent conservative LGBTs in our community in
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our state. And a lot of this, a vast majority
percentage of this comes from what is called internalized homophobia,
the fear that by being gay you are going to
be outcast, and that by some dream casting, not even
wish casting, dream casting, you can become the opposite gender
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and then you'll be a heterosexual member of that gender
rather than just a lesbian woman or a gay man.
Why don't you use Akham's razor in the medical community
and determine, what if they're just gay and that's okay.
What if they're just gay and that's fine. Why the
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need or the desire or the motivation to jump to
a surgical alternative to alter bodies, to chop off body parts,
to inject people full of drugs and hormones that are
not naturally occurring in their body. You are messing with
science here. It is the opposite of science. It is
the opposite of medicine. And if we just adhere to
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the mister Rogers neighborhood philosophy. You are special, you are
perfect just the way you are. You don't need to change,
and if you change, that will not guarantee your happiness
or your health.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
In fact, it could very well mean.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
The exact opposite, despair and a lot of health problems
for the rest of your life. And the Colorado General
Assembly right now wants to empower children and the Transhausen
by proxy parents who want to trans their children, to
make Colorado a sanctuary state for this barbaric procedure, and
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to prevent anyone from objecting to this, including a child's
own parents, under penalty of law. And for a business
that misgenders so to speak, or dead names a person,
they could be subject to fines. This is just scratching
the surface, folks. This is happening today. This bombshell was
dropped on Friday. We call that in this business the
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Friday news dump five pm. Before the media can respond
or react to it, the General Assembly puts something out there.
Processes over the weekend gets things going.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And here we.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Are not coincidentally, in my view, April Fool's Day, and
this hearing is going on in the Judiciary Committee of
the Colorado General Assembly and there to fight it, fighting
the good fight. One of the best fighters on this front.
She is the parent of a former Pooter School student,
and we can get in the reasons why. I implore
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you to watch her documentary Art Club, which was anything
but on YouTube. You can find it on the socials
as well. Aaron Lee is our guest here on Ryan
Schuling Live.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Aaron Welcome, Hey you, Ronnie, and thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I wanted to provide that kind of precursor to everything
we're going to discuss. But I'm going to start where
we began our conversation off air, which is that you
know Evan de la Cruz personally, and just tell us
your reaction to Evan's story and where Evan goes from here. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Well, thank you so much for having Evan on. What
a perfect place to give her first public interview. And
I just have to commend her. She did an amazing
job telling her story. And I know how terrifying it
is to put yourself out there on the ledge and
risk everything to tell the truth about what's happened to you.
But Evan beautifully highlighted how yesterday how transgender ideology is
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a cult. She called it bad that even when her
body was destroyed, she died twice on the table. She
had a colostomy bag from a botch to direct to me,
but she still wasn't happier, and they convinced her to
keep going, that she just had to keep pursuing these
medical procedures. So then she got a double mistectomy, and
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so she perfectly highlighted how this is a really a
gnostic cult mentality and it gets a hold of these
young people. She was twenty two years old, so she
wasn't technically a minor, but I'm definitely of the mindset
that we should be banning these procedures for twenty five
and under because their brains are not fully developed. And
she described perfectly the total lack of informed consent that
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they just asked her, well, did you get counseling, She
said said yes, and then she was fast tracked to medicalization.
There was no confirmation that she had sought therapy. And
that's the real problem that we're seeing that people are
being immediately fast tracked into medicalization with no caution, no questions,
no informed consent. And what's especially scary about this bill
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that's being heard right now. It's a house built twenty
five thirteen twelve. That it concerns minor children, that this,
you know, is going to shield any parent who lives
here or who moves here, because we are a trans
sanctuary mutilation state for their child to be mutilated. It
will essentially shield them from any accountability any other state
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laws or court rulings or custody agreements. We are truly
doubling down as a child mutilation sanctuary state.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Aaron Lee's own daughter went through this nightmare herself, attending
what she thought was an art club was something entirely different,
and again that is presented in the documentary I spoke
of called art club. Luckily, Aaron's daughter is back in
the fold, back to being a happy young woman, just
got her driver's permit. I believe you told me last
time we spoke erin bring us up to date on
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your daughter. I know that she has recently entered the
public sphere, and that's a difficult decision to make, especially
at her young age. You say that for Evan, and
that is true. But where your daughter goes from here
and how involved she's going to be maybe in fighting
this very bill today, Well, we went.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Through a dark year. You know, even just a ninety
minute meeting proceeded by subtle lessons and messaging in public
school led her to truly believe. She was traned for
almost a year, and once we got her out of
the cult, we actually watched What Is a Woman? The
Matt Walsh movie, and she goes, Mom, why didn't I
understand this was happening to me when it was happening,
And I said, well, that's by design. They took advantage
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of you, And she kind of tearfully said, how do
I make sure this doesn't happen to other little girls?
And that was the moment where I said, I have
to tell your story. And so for about three years,
I've been on stages and every platform that I can
get on just informing people of what's happening. But she
was actually asked to be part of the Rocky Mountain
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Summit bathguarding children this Sunday, and she agreed to be
on the panel along with me and January Little John
and whistleblower Jamie Reid and Miriam Grossman and some really
heavy hitters on the issue. But she's just she's a
brave girl who sees all throughout society, how this ideology
has a stranglehold, and how it affects other kids. And
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she's just you know, deeply committed to using her story
for good. But I will point out that she always says, Mom,
this is one page and one chapter my story. And
so she recognizes that, you know, she's overcome and she
can put it in a box and put it away,
but pull it out when she has an opportunity to
use it for good.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Aaron Lee joining us, and I would also strongly recommend
What Is a Woman by Matt Wall a brilliant documentary
and it features a very tragic story again of a
trans mail who was fed a load of bull and
continue down a medical path developed growing a penis, and
it appears to be just prosthetic and for those purposes
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it does not work like a traditional male piece of equipment.
And going through the very brutal descriptions of this, and
we need to get down to the very specifics of
this to communicate I think effectively and clearly exactly what
a pseudoscience and Frankenstein like procedure and approach this is.
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It goes against everything in the medical profession that should
be for the greater good.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
To do no harm.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But Aaron, my question, it's two parts, and I believe
I know the answer, and what you're going to say
about I want our audience to hear it is lie.
The rush to medicalization to surgery that cannot be undone.
And here's the question I would have for any practitioner
who traffics in this crap, which is, what if you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
What if you're wrong and your first.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Impulse, an instinct, was to chop off the body parts
of this young person.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
What if you're wrong, how would you respond to that?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, I think the answer is twofold. There there's obviously
the profit motive. You know, once you get a child
on puberty blockers, which starts in Colorado at the age
of eight, eight to twelve at Tanner stage two, they
are like ninety nine percent likely to go under cross
sex hormones and then onto these mutilation surgeries and they
are over a million dollar patient. So for every kid
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that they can get on puberty blockers, they're almost guaranteed
you have a million dollar patient. So certainly that's the motive,
and those people who operate with that knowledge are incredibly dubious.
And that includes wpath the people who set the guidelines
for this quote unquote care. But the other side of
the coin is the ideological pull. And I think a
lot of people who are caught up in this lack
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of compass for what kindness and carrying approach is. And
so a lot of these people have a favior complex
where they truly believe a child is whatever they say
they are. They've been fooled by w Path and the
other NGOs that have pushed this narrative that if you
don't immediately medicalize a gender confused child, they will kill themselves.
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You know, we've talked about this suicide myth. I was
bullied with it when we found out what was going
on with our daughter, that if you don't transition a child,
they will kill themselves. So there's a profit side, but
then there's also the misguided ideological side where people really
think they're doing the right thing. And we've got a
lot of work to do in our culture to change
that mindset.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Aaron Lee, our guest here, there is so much that
is really concerning. To put it mildly about this house
built twenty five Dash thirteen twelve quote legal protections for
transgender individuals. This crosses the rubicon for me, Aaron in
so many ways. But it basically tries to eviscerate the
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rights of parents with their own children, take them away
way and the decision making process that goes into whether
or not you seek any kind of medical remedy, therapy,
et cetera for your own children, because they don't believe
that the parents have the best interests of the children
in mind. But then it also attacks local businesses if
you don't participate in the fantasy of transgender individuals and
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you dead name them so to speak, or you misgender them,
which I would argue they are misgendering themselves and we
are just observing what their true gender is that you
would be subject to penalties and fine, So what, there's
so much here to unpack, and we've only got a
few minutes left to do it. But in the time
that we have left, in the best way that you can,
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how would you put a fine point on this bill?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And what scares you the most about it?
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Gosh, the so much to unpack?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I would say it is the most radical bill I've
ever seen in the four years that I've been fighting
bad legislation, And on its face, it is completely unconstitutional
compelled speech, and a violation of parents' fourteenth Amendment you
process rights. But I'll tell you the thing that really
scares me about it the most. Having worked with families
who've been affected by gender insanity for four years now,
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are the parents in custody situations. I know fathers, dozens
of fathers here in Colorado and in other states who've
lost their parental rights completely because they were not okay
with their child being medically transitioned. Even just showing skepticism
caused them to lose their parental rights. I know others
who are just hanging on by a thread. And it's
ironic that this bill defines coercive control as not affirming
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a child's mental illness, when in fact, this bill blows
the door wide open for coercive control by the parents
who wish to sterilize the kids, and against the parents
who question it their kids being sterilized and castrated even
just expression caution. The other category are the unlucky recipients
of the weaponization of CPS. We've seen that happening all
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over the country. You know, the coolestad family in Montana, Arizona, California,
it's happening here in Colle Dorado. And this bill makes
it so that when the court gets involved, if a
parent is not willing to affirm their child's mental distress,
they will lose their child. And as a parent, who
almost had that happen to me when I had this
bill had been in place four years ago, when CPS
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came to my home and asked if we were affirming
our daughter, I would have lost her and I don't
believe she'd be alive today. So there are really serious
ramifications to defining non affirmation as abusive coercive control.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Aaron, I say this with present company very much excluded,
so I want to preface it that way. But something
you just touched on has really sparked a question in
my mind. We've heard of the term Munchausen by proxy,
and I've called it Transhausen by proxy? Why is it?
And they might not be to answer for this, but
maybe you do have one. Why is it? It's got
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to be a vast majority, maybe in the ninetieth percentile
or hire of cases. It's the mother who is pushing
for these transsi's hormone therapies, et cetera, and it's the
fathers who are fighting it.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
That's one hundred percent of my experience. I have yet
to meet a mother who's fighting the dad that's transitioning them.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It is always, wow.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
The mom inn the situations, and I like that term Transhausen.
I agree, they're forcing it on their kids, and that's
a big percentage of overall of the young kids who
identify as transgender. The other part is, you know, social
contagion and parents being bullied into going along with it.
But yeah, it's usually it's always in my experience, the
mothers who push.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
This always why how.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Well?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It goes back to that toxic empathy, toxic kindness. They
think they're doing the right thing, they're the savior and
a lot of these parents have been misguided, but they're
unfortunately forcing it on their kids, and in my opinion,
that is blatant child abuse.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Arin final questions, so appreciate your time, especially on a
busy day to day. This was forced upon us and
you're determined to fight it, and we appreciate your fight.
Have you testified yet? Do you know when you might
if you have? And so where does this stand right now?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, I'm sitting a committee right now. The bill sponsors
are trying to plead their case for why this bill
is necessary, and I'll be called here to testify in
the next hour or so. We do have one hundred
people signed up to testify. It's about a fifty to
fifty split, so I encourage people to listen in on
the Colorado House channel. It will be a contentious fight,
and I do anticipate that it will pass and we
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will have to continue to fight it in the courts.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Good Lord, Aaron. All I can say is give them hell.
Thank you Aaron Lee joining us here, and again she's
a hero in.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Her own right.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We appreciate her time as always proud parent of a
daughter that she saved from this social contagion, as she
puts it, and that answer she gave that one hundred
percent of the time. When there's a discord or disagreement
between the two parents, who's trying to force the transitioning,
it's the mother and it's the father who's fighting it.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'd like to dig down deeper into why that is.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's crazy to me continue more Ryan shuling Live after.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
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Speaker 1 (19:10):
Warren Zevon ahead of his time back darreon Ryan's Schooling Live.
We need all of the above. I got the lawyer
on the line right here. In fact, he's a district
attorney for the twenty third, George Brockler. We're trying to
protect your guns and my guns, and George's guns and
everybody in Colorado's guns, and we're trying to prevent this
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gun grab bill from becoming law, or at least if
it does. And that'll be squarely on Governor Jared Polis
if it does, even if he is a chicken and
doesn't sign it himself and just allows ten days to
expire and then it automatically becomes law, and then he
could plausibly denial. I don't know it was on your desk.
You either could sign it or veto it. You chose
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neither because you're a political coward. And now you violated
the Second Amendment rights of every Colorado and you are
no libert terran. So we'll fight it in the courts
because it's not constitutional. And now they're trying to put
a barrier between you and exercising your Second Amendment rights
to keep in bear arms by requiring that you pay
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for a course get trained to possess this gun. That
burden and responsibility is squarely on you, and it's just
another roadblock again between you and your two A rights.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
George Brockler joins us. Now, Da, sir, how are you?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I'm living the dream, Brian. How are you doing holding
down the fort solo? Well?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
That has been a challenge in and of itself. But
I lean on the likes of you, George, because I
know that I can, and I have faith not only
in you, but in your sheriff, who's awesome sheriff weekly
in protecting the Second Amendment rights of Douglas County. But
there might have to be I don't know, some creative protections.
I've talked to Sheriff Steve Reemsenweld County about this, that
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he is not willing to violate the constitutional rights of
those he is charged to protect and serve, and at
one time that might have included him being squarely in
conflict with Colorado laws. So this is coming to a
loggerheads sooner rather than later. But let's start with where
it is right now. This bill is on Jared Polus's desk.
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It has been my analysis that if he's running for president,
and we think that he is, and he's trying to
occupy some moderate libertarian lane. He cannot sign this bill.
He can choose to do that, but then he's leaning
so hard to the left that he's back into the
crowd with the Tim Walls of the world, and even
Gavin Newsom would be to his right at that point.
So even if he's strictly a calculated political animal that
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we know that he is, I don't know that he
can sign it, he can't veto it, or he alienates
his entire left flank of his party. So I think
it seems like the strategy might be to just let
it sit there automatically become law, but I don't see
how that's practical for him politically either.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
What are your thoughts well.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I agree with the analysis. I would say that the
most gutless move would be the last one that you mentioned,
and that is to just let it sit on his
desk and become wall ten days after it's sent to him.
It was seen on Friday. They usually don't start counting
until the first business day after they receive it. There's
probably some timing involved in that, but my guess is
somewhere around April ninth, this thing would then become law
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without any action on his part. And he would get
the protection of being able to say I never sign
such a law, right. Like, It's almost like he's watching
someone drowned in the pool and he doesn't do anything
to help them. He's like, I didn't cause their death,
do you know what I mean? I just didn't do
anything to rescue them. It's like the Second Amendment is
drowning in a pool in the legislature and he's going
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to do nothing to try to rescue it and then claim, well,
I didn't do it. I didn't push him in the water.
I didn't put it there. I think it's more likely
he'll let it happen than if he signs it. But
if he signs it, and my guess is it could
have never been watered down, Like if he was going
to veto this thing, I don't think he makes a
great deal of efforts to work with the legislature behind
the scenes. And I presume that's what happened to get
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this thing into the weird posture it's in now, because
remember it began with we're going to ban everything that
has the word semi in it, and including semi sweet morsels.
If it has the word semi in it, you can't
own it anymore, and it has slowly become tortured into
this thing where now everyone has to take a twelve
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hour course, by the way, after being approved by your
sheriff to be able to walk into a store and
try to purchase one of these kinds of firearms. I
think that has his fingerprints on it. And the question
now is did he signal to them I'll let it
become law, or I'll sign it. If he signs it,
I do think it puts him in a little bit
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of jeopardy here, a lot of bit of jeopardy because
if on appeal the court comes back, whether it's the
Supreme Court or otherwise and says, yeah, this is a
violation of the Second Amendment. This guy's good for signing
an unconstitutional law, especially on the Second Amendment, and for
someone who has aspirations to sit in the White House,
that's a big punch to the credibility.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
George, you're more familiar with the law than I am.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But the Heller decision stands out as one that helped
make our right sacrisync when it comes to the Second Amendment,
our ability to keep in bear arms. Where does this
rank politically in your analysis versus any other gun law,
whether it's California or Chicago, or New York City or
any other very very blue district city state, where would
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this rank in your mind as you understand it.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
I'm troubled because it is so novel, and despite the
fact that it's much watered down from its original attempt,
so aggressive towards trying to inject the government between us
as Americans and the opportunity to possess and own firearms,
that it needs to be unsuccessful because if not, it
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is just going to be a signal to the rest
of the country that government can throw impediment after impediment
between you and your Second Amendment rights and just shrug
it off as well, this is just reasonable regulation. We're
not preventing people from getting firearms. We're just making sure
that they're properly trained and whatnot. So I'm hopeful that
the six to three majority that exists, and I mean
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the constitution loving majority of the and it could go
seven to two. And I'm telling you, the two members
of the claimed liberal wing of the Supreme Court, I'm
not saying they're good on guns, but I'm saying, if
you're looking for two votes that you can occasionally look
at and say, like they pair up with Gorss and
others you're looking at You're looking not at Soda Myra,
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but Katanji, Brown, Jackson, and Kagan. They're not stupid people,
and so I don't know how they would view this.
I'm not optimistic, but the Supreme Court is probably where
this thing is headed, and we'll get to see what happens.
I really don't have a great deal of faith in
our own state appelle at courts to rule on this
in a way that's favorable towards the Second Amendment. But
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it's got to be stopped because it is. It's the
bell Weather, I think for where other states will go.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Incredible.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
George Brockler, district attorney in the twenty third, joining us
with his analysis on this gun grab bill that's currently
on Poulis's desk. So let's play it out from there, George,
because politics is where I kind of bide my time,
and it's my space and my sphere here. But going
back to something you said, Jerry Polis loves being on
the sidelines when it's not politically pragmatic or practical for
(26:30):
him for him personally to get involved.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
He did that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
As you might recall, when it came to the ridiculous
attempt to keep Donald Trump off the ballot in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That was such a misguided case.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
It made it all the way to the Supreme Court,
and the Justice as you mentioned, all of them, kentun
G Brown, Jackson, Sonya sodamayor Elena Kagan voted in the majority.
It was unanimous nine to zero decision, slap down. Polus
had stayed on the sidelines. He was real quiet until
after they Yeah, yeah, we probably should never have done that.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
He's trying to pull the same crap here.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
And if it plays out the way that you say,
let's say it's six three, seven two, or maybe it's
nine to zero, because this is to me very cut
and dried in terms of being unconstitutional. If he's handed
that kind of defeat, even if he doesn't sign it,
he just lets it float into law, doesn't that just
destroy him politically from a credibility standpoint?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I think it hurts quite a bit. Now. He probably
gets some grace period here because it doesn't become effective
until August of twenty six, and any lawsuit that occurs
before August of twenty six would likely run into a
standing issue because nobody's rights will have been violated between
now and then. There's some magic to why they did that.
(27:48):
Now they say it's because they want to give the
state an opportunity to gin up the forums and training
and all that stuff they're going to make people go
through to exercise their second memory rights. I think there's
something else going on here, and that is by August
of twenty six as this thing launches. If a lawsuit
is filed the day it becomes alive, the chances of
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it getting up to and through the Supreme Court before
Polis makes his way through whatever the nomination process is
or figures out where he's going are not great. It
usually takes a long time for cases to find their
way to the Supreme Court. So pushing it off until
August of twenty six means you only had twenty six
months before the next election for President of the United States,
(28:31):
and he just may have bought himself the opportunity to
avoid a Supreme Court SmackDown while he's on the ballot. Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Interesting on the standing issue there, and you're absolutely right.
Until somebody's rights are actually directly impacted, then it will
not gain that standing that you're talking about, George Brockler,
our guest district attorney in the twenty third final question George,
and it might be tough to answer, and maybe it's
impossible to answer.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I don't know, but I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Ask it, and that is, let's say this goes through
and all anticipation as that's going to we're going to
have one of the most draconian anti gun laws on
the books in the country. What can you and Sheriff
Darren Weekly do if anything, Let's say you huddle together
in the aftermath of this, and you want to protect
your constituents, your constituent's constitutional rights in Douglas County and
(29:15):
the surrounding area there that you're responsible for, What, if.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Anything, can you do or can you not do anything?
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I think there's a couple answers here, and there have
been others out there who have been far more outfront
and just simply announcing I won't enforce this law because
it's unconstitutional. And while I appreciate that position, it is
challenging for a guy who's in the law business, who
has taken both an oath to uphold and defend the
US Constitution, but also the state Constitution and its organic
(29:45):
laws to say I'm going to call to myself the
power to simply decide, I'm not going to treat a
law like it's constitutional. I want it to go through
the process because I'm very confident that two things will happen.
I'm confident that a superior court is going to put
a permanent injunction on this thing, and it's going to
get appealed up to the Supreme Court and struck down.
(30:07):
That's what I'm confident about, and I want it to
be that way, rather than empower some other elected official
like me or a sheriff down the road to look
at some other law, maybe one that you and I
like and agree with, and say I'm not going to
enforce that because I don't think that's constitutional. But having
said that, during the pendency of this law, while it's
(30:27):
working its way through the appellate process, like any other
officer who has limited resources, and I'm talking about the
sheriff and the district attorney, you have to prioritize how
you spend those resources. And it may very well be
that any cases that get brought to the sheriff's attention
may not be prioritized. The same way we would. Oh,
I don't know sex assault on a child or a
(30:48):
dui or a robbery, a burglary, a murder for that instance.
And so these cases may not rush into the courtroom
to be resolved because maybe when the sheriff investigates, there
just isn't enough evidence there to bring someone to court. So,
you know, I just I'm worried about announcing I've determined
(31:11):
for me that this is so obviously unconstitutional. I just
simply announced I'm never going to enforce it, because I
really do think the courts are going to do that
for us, and I really don't want to give scandal
to the rule of law.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I largely agree with you, George, and I'm hopeful for
the same as The calculation that the Supreme Court will
strike this down, I think is the correct one, and
we'll see how this plays out going forward. But I
think both precedent and history are on our side when
it comes to that in our Second Amendment rights. A
very thorough, complete and precise answer there from George Brockler,
(31:43):
the district attorney in the twenty third George, I did
get this text message, however, from Sheriff Steve Ringsweld, County.
He goes, couldn't you have gotten a manly da on?
And I guess I had to settle for you?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Oh my god, of course I presume. I presume he
texted you that from a bar.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
George, appreciate your time. Keep fighting the good fight. We're
gonna win this one.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
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was a fabulous question you asked, Ryan, what if these doctors,
what if these psychologists are wrong?
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Just what you would say, you mentioned you went through
this as an adult.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You couldn't even imagine making these types of decisions, the
gravity of them as an adolescent, and we've seen a
lot of that right here in the state of Colorado.
Would be your bit of advice for a young person
that's experiencing gender dysphoria right now?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I would think that the most important thing is to
ask why, like why do you feel that this situation
works for you? And to always work from that space.
I think when you start to work backwards, it can
start to unfold, you know, possibly the real reasons why
you're doing that. I can only speak from my own
experience that for me, it was I was trying to
(00:56):
find wholeness, you know, and I was disconnected from my
So if we could find a pattern, even with working
from there, we could find some sort of solution to
help with this. But I don't think this is the
right way. It's very on azicule, and it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's dangerous, said Evan de la Cruz, who told us
her harrowing tale yesterday on the program in her first
exclusive interview live over our airwaves. And we're so honored
that Evan chose us, and we want to thank doctor
Morrell for setting that up as well. But what stood
out to me in my conversation with Evan, and I
just allowed Evan the space to tell her story, and
(01:33):
it's so convoluted, and things got complicated. A doctor who
truly means to do no harm, the hippocratic oath, things
should get easier, things should get better. Your best interest
should be at heart. And that is not what is
happening here with gender dysphoria, the treatment or lack thereof,
(01:54):
provided by the medical community, many of whom are committed
to this pseudo science. It is not science. A person
born with a Y chromosome cannot become a two X
chromosome female. That is impossible. My body, I'm a fifty
year old man, has a Y chromosome. I produce testosterone
(02:16):
varying degrees as I get older. But that's the point
of the matter, it will never stop doing that unless
I have some kind of ailment, and I will never
produce estrogen in the amounts that a woman would, and
vice versa. When you go the other way, and that's
what was happening here with Evan de la Cruz. She detransitioned.
(02:38):
She had all these horrific Frankenstein like surgeries performed on
her her ovaries, removed a mastectomy when she was perfectly healthy.
There was no medical reason to do this. She was confused,
she was disoriented, as she said, she was not connected
to herself. And rather than the first step being we're
(02:59):
going to get you count, we're going to provide you
therapy that's going to be open minded, that's going to
guide you in a direction that you are going to
help guide yourself. We are going to determine who you are,
what made you feel this way? How can we treat
it short of surgical reassignment, which should be I don't
even think it should be a last resort anymore. After
(03:21):
the studying that I've done, the interviews that I've conducted,
the knowledge on this topic that I've acquired. In my opinion,
this is my opinion, I'm not gone through it, Evan has.
But I've talked about this with doctor Rich Guggenheim Gaze
against groomers, and I've talked about this with the log
Cabin Republicans who represent conservative LGBTs in our community in
(03:44):
our state. And a lot of this, a vast majority
percentage of this comes from what is called internalized homophobia,
the fear that by being gay you are going to
be outcast, and that by some dream casting, not even
wish casting, dream casting, you can become the opposite gender
(04:04):
and then you'll be a heterosexual member of that gender
rather than just a lesbian woman or a gay man.
Why don't you use Akham's razor in the medical community
and determine, what if they're just gay and that's okay.
What if they're just gay and that's fine. Why the
(04:27):
need or the desire or the motivation to jump to
a surgical alternative to alter bodies, to chop off body parts,
to inject people full of drugs and hormones that are
not naturally occurring in their body. You are messing with
science here. It is the opposite of science. It is
the opposite of medicine. And if we just adhere to
(04:51):
the mister Rogers neighborhood philosophy. You are special, you are
perfect just the way you are. You don't need to change,
and if you change, that will not guarantee your happiness
or your health.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
In fact, it could very well mean.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
The exact opposite, despair and a lot of health problems
for the rest of your life. And the Colorado General
Assembly right now wants to empower children and the Transhausen
by proxy parents who want to trans their children, to
make Colorado a sanctuary state for this barbaric procedure, and
(05:29):
to prevent anyone from objecting to this, including a child's
own parents, under penalty of law. And for a business
that misgenders so to speak, or dead names a person,
they could be subject to fines. This is just scratching
the surface, folks. This is happening today. This bombshell was
dropped on Friday. We call that in this business the
(05:51):
Friday news dump five pm. Before the media can respond
or react to it, the General Assembly puts something out there.
Processes over the weekend gets things going.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And here we.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Are not coincidentally, in my view, April Fool's Day, and
this hearing is going on in the Judiciary Committee of
the Colorado General Assembly and there to fight it, fighting
the good fight. One of the best fighters on this front.
She is the parent of a former Pooter School student,
and we can get in the reasons why. I implore
(06:22):
you to watch her documentary Art Club, which was anything
but on YouTube. You can find it on the socials
as well. Aaron Lee is our guest here on Ryan
Schuling Live.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Aaron Welcome, Hey you, Ronnie, and thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I wanted to provide that kind of precursor to everything
we're going to discuss. But I'm going to start where
we began our conversation off air, which is that you
know Evan de la Cruz personally, and just tell us
your reaction to Evan's story and where Evan goes from here. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Well, thank you so much for having Evan on. What
a perfect place to give her first public interview. And
I just have to commend her. She did an amazing
job telling her story. And I know how terrifying it
is to put yourself out there on the ledge and
risk everything to tell the truth about what's happened to you.
But Evan beautifully highlighted how yesterday how transgender ideology is
(07:17):
a cult. She called it bad that even when her
body was destroyed, she died twice on the table. She
had a colostomy bag from a botch to direct to me,
but she still wasn't happier, and they convinced her to
keep going, that she just had to keep pursuing these
medical procedures. So then she got a double mistectomy, and
(07:38):
so she perfectly highlighted how this is a really a
gnostic cult mentality and it gets a hold of these
young people. She was twenty two years old, so she
wasn't technically a minor, but I'm definitely of the mindset
that we should be banning these procedures for twenty five
and under because their brains are not fully developed. And
she described perfectly the total lack of informed consent that
(08:00):
they just asked her, well, did you get counseling, She
said said yes, and then she was fast tracked to medicalization.
There was no confirmation that she had sought therapy. And
that's the real problem that we're seeing that people are
being immediately fast tracked into medicalization with no caution, no questions,
no informed consent. And what's especially scary about this bill
(08:21):
that's being heard right now. It's a house built twenty
five thirteen twelve. That it concerns minor children, that this,
you know, is going to shield any parent who lives
here or who moves here, because we are a trans
sanctuary mutilation state for their child to be mutilated. It
will essentially shield them from any accountability any other state
(08:42):
laws or court rulings or custody agreements. We are truly
doubling down as a child mutilation sanctuary state.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Aaron Lee's own daughter went through this nightmare herself, attending
what she thought was an art club was something entirely different,
and again that is presented in the documentary I spoke
of called art club. Luckily, Aaron's daughter is back in
the fold, back to being a happy young woman, just
got her driver's permit. I believe you told me last
time we spoke erin bring us up to date on
(09:14):
your daughter. I know that she has recently entered the
public sphere, and that's a difficult decision to make, especially
at her young age. You say that for Evan, and
that is true. But where your daughter goes from here
and how involved she's going to be maybe in fighting
this very bill today, Well, we went.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Through a dark year. You know, even just a ninety
minute meeting proceeded by subtle lessons and messaging in public
school led her to truly believe. She was traned for
almost a year, and once we got her out of
the cult, we actually watched What Is a Woman? The
Matt Walsh movie, and she goes, Mom, why didn't I
understand this was happening to me when it was happening,
And I said, well, that's by design. They took advantage
(09:53):
of you, And she kind of tearfully said, how do
I make sure this doesn't happen to other little girls?
And that was the moment where I said, I have
to tell your story. And so for about three years,
I've been on stages and every platform that I can
get on just informing people of what's happening. But she
was actually asked to be part of the Rocky Mountain
(10:13):
Summit bathguarding children this Sunday, and she agreed to be
on the panel along with me and January Little John
and whistleblower Jamie Reid and Miriam Grossman and some really
heavy hitters on the issue. But she's just she's a
brave girl who sees all throughout society, how this ideology
has a stranglehold, and how it affects other kids. And
(10:37):
she's just you know, deeply committed to using her story
for good. But I will point out that she always says, Mom,
this is one page and one chapter my story. And
so she recognizes that, you know, she's overcome and she
can put it in a box and put it away,
but pull it out when she has an opportunity to
use it for good.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Aaron Lee joining us, and I would also strongly recommend
What Is a Woman by Matt Wall a brilliant documentary
and it features a very tragic story again of a
trans mail who was fed a load of bull and
continue down a medical path developed growing a penis, and
it appears to be just prosthetic and for those purposes
(11:18):
it does not work like a traditional male piece of equipment.
And going through the very brutal descriptions of this, and
we need to get down to the very specifics of
this to communicate I think effectively and clearly exactly what
a pseudoscience and Frankenstein like procedure and approach this is.
(11:38):
It goes against everything in the medical profession that should
be for the greater good.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
To do no harm.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But Aaron, my question, it's two parts, and I believe
I know the answer, and what you're going to say
about I want our audience to hear it is lie.
The rush to medicalization to surgery that cannot be undone.
And here's the question I would have for any practitioner
who traffics in this crap, which is, what if you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
What if you're wrong and your first.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Impulse, an instinct, was to chop off the body parts
of this young person.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
What if you're wrong, how would you respond to that?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, I think the answer is twofold. There there's obviously
the profit motive. You know, once you get a child
on puberty blockers, which starts in Colorado at the age
of eight, eight to twelve at Tanner stage two, they
are like ninety nine percent likely to go under cross
sex hormones and then onto these mutilation surgeries and they
are over a million dollar patient. So for every kid
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that they can get on puberty blockers, they're almost guaranteed
you have a million dollar patient. So certainly that's the motive,
and those people who operate with that knowledge are incredibly dubious.
And that includes wpath the people who set the guidelines
for this quote unquote care. But the other side of
the coin is the ideological pull. And I think a
lot of people who are caught up in this lack
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of compass for what kindness and carrying approach is. And
so a lot of these people have a favior complex
where they truly believe a child is whatever they say
they are. They've been fooled by w Path and the
other NGOs that have pushed this narrative that if you
don't immediately medicalize a gender confused child, they will kill themselves.
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You know, we've talked about this suicide myth. I was
bullied with it when we found out what was going
on with our daughter, that if you don't transition a child,
they will kill themselves. So there's a profit side, but
then there's also the misguided ideological side where people really
think they're doing the right thing. And we've got a
lot of work to do in our culture to change
that mindset.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Aaron Lee, our guest here, there is so much that
is really concerning. To put it mildly about this house
built twenty five Dash thirteen twelve quote legal protections for
transgender individuals. This crosses the rubicon for me, Aaron in
so many ways. But it basically tries to eviscerate the
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rights of parents with their own children, take them away
way and the decision making process that goes into whether
or not you seek any kind of medical remedy, therapy,
et cetera for your own children, because they don't believe
that the parents have the best interests of the children
in mind. But then it also attacks local businesses if
you don't participate in the fantasy of transgender individuals and
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you dead name them so to speak, or you misgender them,
which I would argue they are misgendering themselves and we
are just observing what their true gender is that you
would be subject to penalties and fine, So what, there's
so much here to unpack, and we've only got a
few minutes left to do it. But in the time
that we have left, in the best way that you can,
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how would you put a fine point on this bill?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And what scares you the most about it?
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Gosh, the so much to unpack?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I would say it is the most radical bill I've
ever seen in the four years that I've been fighting
bad legislation, And on its face, it is completely unconstitutional
compelled speech, and a violation of parents' fourteenth Amendment you
process rights. But I'll tell you the thing that really
scares me about it the most. Having worked with families
who've been affected by gender insanity for four years now,
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are the parents in custody situations. I know fathers, dozens
of fathers here in Colorado and in other states who've
lost their parental rights completely because they were not okay
with their child being medically transitioned. Even just showing skepticism
caused them to lose their parental rights. I know others
who are just hanging on by a thread. And it's
ironic that this bill defines coercive control as not affirming
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a child's mental illness, when in fact, this bill blows
the door wide open for coercive control by the parents
who wish to sterilize the kids, and against the parents
who question it their kids being sterilized and castrated even
just expression caution. The other category are the unlucky recipients
of the weaponization of CPS. We've seen that happening all
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over the country. You know, the coolestad family in Montana, Arizona, California,
it's happening here in Colle Dorado. And this bill makes
it so that when the court gets involved, if a
parent is not willing to affirm their child's mental distress,
they will lose their child. And as a parent, who
almost had that happen to me when I had this
bill had been in place four years ago, when CPS
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came to my home and asked if we were affirming
our daughter, I would have lost her and I don't
believe she'd be alive today. So there are really serious
ramifications to defining non affirmation as abusive coercive control.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Aaron, I say this with present company very much excluded,
so I want to preface it that way. But something
you just touched on has really sparked a question in
my mind. We've heard of the term Munchausen by proxy,
and I've called it Transhausen by proxy? Why is it?
And they might not be to answer for this, but
maybe you do have one. Why is it? It's got
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to be a vast majority, maybe in the ninetieth percentile
or hire of cases. It's the mother who is pushing
for these transsi's hormone therapies, et cetera, and it's the
fathers who are fighting it.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
That's one hundred percent of my experience. I have yet
to meet a mother who's fighting the dad that's transitioning them.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It is always, wow.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
The mom inn the situations, and I like that term Transhausen.
I agree, they're forcing it on their kids, and that's
a big percentage of overall of the young kids who
identify as transgender. The other part is, you know, social
contagion and parents being bullied into going along with it.
But yeah, it's usually it's always in my experience, the
mothers who push.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
This always why how.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Well?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It goes back to that toxic empathy, toxic kindness. They
think they're doing the right thing, they're the savior and
a lot of these parents have been misguided, but they're
unfortunately forcing it on their kids, and in my opinion,
that is blatant child abuse.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Arin final questions, so appreciate your time, especially on a
busy day to day. This was forced upon us and
you're determined to fight it, and we appreciate your fight.
Have you testified yet? Do you know when you might
if you have? And so where does this stand right now?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, I'm sitting a committee right now. The bill sponsors
are trying to plead their case for why this bill
is necessary, and I'll be called here to testify in
the next hour or so. We do have one hundred
people signed up to testify. It's about a fifty to
fifty split, so I encourage people to listen in on
the Colorado House channel. It will be a contentious fight,
and I do anticipate that it will pass and we
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will have to continue to fight it in the courts.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Good Lord, Aaron. All I can say is give them hell.
Thank you Aaron Lee joining us here, and again she's
a hero in.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Her own right.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We appreciate her time as always proud parent of a
daughter that she saved from this social contagion, as she
puts it, and that answer she gave that one hundred
percent of the time. When there's a discord or disagreement
between the two parents, who's trying to force the transitioning,
it's the mother and it's the father who's fighting it.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'd like to dig down deeper into why that is.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's crazy to me continue more Ryan shuling Live after.
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Speaker 1 (19:10):
Warren Zevon ahead of his time back darreon Ryan's Schooling Live.
We need all of the above. I got the lawyer
on the line right here. In fact, he's a district
attorney for the twenty third, George Brockler. We're trying to
protect your guns and my guns, and George's guns and
everybody in Colorado's guns, and we're trying to prevent this
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gun grab bill from becoming law, or at least if
it does. And that'll be squarely on Governor Jared Polis
if it does, even if he is a chicken and
doesn't sign it himself and just allows ten days to
expire and then it automatically becomes law, and then he
could plausibly denial. I don't know it was on your desk.
You either could sign it or veto it. You chose
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neither because you're a political coward. And now you violated
the Second Amendment rights of every Colorado and you are
no libert terran. So we'll fight it in the courts
because it's not constitutional. And now they're trying to put
a barrier between you and exercising your Second Amendment rights
to keep in bear arms by requiring that you pay
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for a course get trained to possess this gun. That
burden and responsibility is squarely on you, and it's just
another roadblock again between you and your two A rights.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
George Brockler joins us. Now, Da, sir, how are you?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I'm living the dream, Brian. How are you doing holding
down the fort solo? Well?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
That has been a challenge in and of itself. But
I lean on the likes of you, George, because I
know that I can, and I have faith not only
in you, but in your sheriff, who's awesome sheriff weekly
in protecting the Second Amendment rights of Douglas County. But
there might have to be I don't know, some creative protections.
I've talked to Sheriff Steve Reemsenweld County about this, that
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he is not willing to violate the constitutional rights of
those he is charged to protect and serve, and at
one time that might have included him being squarely in
conflict with Colorado laws. So this is coming to a
loggerheads sooner rather than later. But let's start with where
it is right now. This bill is on Jared Polus's desk.
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It has been my analysis that if he's running for president,
and we think that he is, and he's trying to
occupy some moderate libertarian lane. He cannot sign this bill.
He can choose to do that, but then he's leaning
so hard to the left that he's back into the
crowd with the Tim Walls of the world, and even
Gavin Newsom would be to his right at that point.
So even if he's strictly a calculated political animal that
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we know that he is, I don't know that he
can sign it, he can't veto it, or he alienates
his entire left flank of his party. So I think
it seems like the strategy might be to just let
it sit there automatically become law, but I don't see
how that's practical for him politically either.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
What are your thoughts well.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I agree with the analysis. I would say that the
most gutless move would be the last one that you mentioned,
and that is to just let it sit on his
desk and become wall ten days after it's sent to him.
It was seen on Friday. They usually don't start counting
until the first business day after they receive it. There's
probably some timing involved in that, but my guess is
somewhere around April ninth, this thing would then become law
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without any action on his part. And he would get
the protection of being able to say I never sign
such a law, right. Like, It's almost like he's watching
someone drowned in the pool and he doesn't do anything
to help them. He's like, I didn't cause their death,
do you know what I mean? I just didn't do
anything to rescue them. It's like the Second Amendment is
drowning in a pool in the legislature and he's going
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to do nothing to try to rescue it and then claim, well,
I didn't do it. I didn't push him in the water.
I didn't put it there. I think it's more likely
he'll let it happen than if he signs it. But
if he signs it, and my guess is it could
have never been watered down, Like if he was going
to veto this thing, I don't think he makes a
great deal of efforts to work with the legislature behind
the scenes. And I presume that's what happened to get
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this thing into the weird posture it's in now, because
remember it began with we're going to ban everything that
has the word semi in it, and including semi sweet morsels.
If it has the word semi in it, you can't
own it anymore, and it has slowly become tortured into
this thing where now everyone has to take a twelve
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hour course, by the way, after being approved by your
sheriff to be able to walk into a store and
try to purchase one of these kinds of firearms. I
think that has his fingerprints on it. And the question
now is did he signal to them I'll let it
become law, or I'll sign it. If he signs it,
I do think it puts him in a little bit
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of jeopardy here, a lot of bit of jeopardy because
if on appeal the court comes back, whether it's the
Supreme Court or otherwise and says, yeah, this is a
violation of the Second Amendment. This guy's good for signing
an unconstitutional law, especially on the Second Amendment, and for
someone who has aspirations to sit in the White House,
that's a big punch to the credibility.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
George, you're more familiar with the law than I am.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But the Heller decision stands out as one that helped
make our right sacrisync when it comes to the Second Amendment,
our ability to keep in bear arms. Where does this
rank politically in your analysis versus any other gun law,
whether it's California or Chicago, or New York City or
any other very very blue district city state, where would
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this rank in your mind as you understand it.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
I'm troubled because it is so novel, and despite the
fact that it's much watered down from its original attempt,
so aggressive towards trying to inject the government between us
as Americans and the opportunity to possess and own firearms,
that it needs to be unsuccessful because if not, it
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is just going to be a signal to the rest
of the country that government can throw impediment after impediment
between you and your Second Amendment rights and just shrug
it off as well, this is just reasonable regulation. We're
not preventing people from getting firearms. We're just making sure
that they're properly trained and whatnot. So I'm hopeful that
the six to three majority that exists, and I mean
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the constitution loving majority of the and it could go
seven to two. And I'm telling you, the two members
of the claimed liberal wing of the Supreme Court, I'm
not saying they're good on guns, but I'm saying, if
you're looking for two votes that you can occasionally look
at and say, like they pair up with Gorss and
others you're looking at You're looking not at Soda Myra,
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but Katanji, Brown, Jackson, and Kagan. They're not stupid people,
and so I don't know how they would view this.
I'm not optimistic, but the Supreme Court is probably where
this thing is headed, and we'll get to see what happens.
I really don't have a great deal of faith in
our own state appelle at courts to rule on this
in a way that's favorable towards the Second Amendment. But
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it's got to be stopped because it is. It's the
bell Weather, I think for where other states will go.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Incredible.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
George Brockler, district attorney in the twenty third, joining us
with his analysis on this gun grab bill that's currently
on Poulis's desk. So let's play it out from there, George,
because politics is where I kind of bide my time,
and it's my space and my sphere here. But going
back to something you said, Jerry Polis loves being on
the sidelines when it's not politically pragmatic or practical for
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him for him personally to get involved.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
He did that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
As you might recall, when it came to the ridiculous
attempt to keep Donald Trump off the ballot in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That was such a misguided case.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
It made it all the way to the Supreme Court,
and the Justice as you mentioned, all of them, kentun
G Brown, Jackson, Sonya sodamayor Elena Kagan voted in the majority.
It was unanimous nine to zero decision, slap down. Polus
had stayed on the sidelines. He was real quiet until
after they Yeah, yeah, we probably should never have done that.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
He's trying to pull the same crap here.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
And if it plays out the way that you say,
let's say it's six three, seven two, or maybe it's
nine to zero, because this is to me very cut
and dried in terms of being unconstitutional. If he's handed
that kind of defeat, even if he doesn't sign it,
he just lets it float into law, doesn't that just
destroy him politically from a credibility standpoint?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I think it hurts quite a bit. Now. He probably
gets some grace period here because it doesn't become effective
until August of twenty six, and any lawsuit that occurs
before August of twenty six would likely run into a
standing issue because nobody's rights will have been violated between
now and then. There's some magic to why they did that.
(27:48):
Now they say it's because they want to give the
state an opportunity to gin up the forums and training
and all that stuff they're going to make people go
through to exercise their second memory rights. I think there's
something else going on here, and that is by August
of twenty six as this thing launches. If a lawsuit
is filed the day it becomes alive, the chances of
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it getting up to and through the Supreme Court before
Polis makes his way through whatever the nomination process is
or figures out where he's going are not great. It
usually takes a long time for cases to find their
way to the Supreme Court. So pushing it off until
August of twenty six means you only had twenty six
months before the next election for President of the United States,
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and he just may have bought himself the opportunity to
avoid a Supreme Court SmackDown while he's on the ballot. Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Interesting on the standing issue there, and you're absolutely right.
Until somebody's rights are actually directly impacted, then it will
not gain that standing that you're talking about, George Brockler,
our guest district attorney in the twenty third final question George,
and it might be tough to answer, and maybe it's
impossible to answer.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I don't know, but I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Ask it, and that is, let's say this goes through
and all anticipation as that's going to we're going to
have one of the most draconian anti gun laws on
the books in the country. What can you and Sheriff
Darren Weekly do if anything, Let's say you huddle together
in the aftermath of this, and you want to protect
your constituents, your constituent's constitutional rights in Douglas County and
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the surrounding area there that you're responsible for, What, if.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Anything, can you do or can you not do anything?
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I think there's a couple answers here, and there have
been others out there who have been far more outfront
and just simply announcing I won't enforce this law because
it's unconstitutional. And while I appreciate that position, it is
challenging for a guy who's in the law business, who
has taken both an oath to uphold and defend the
US Constitution, but also the state Constitution and its organic
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laws to say I'm going to call to myself the
power to simply decide, I'm not going to treat a
law like it's constitutional. I want it to go through
the process because I'm very confident that two things will happen.
I'm confident that a superior court is going to put
a permanent injunction on this thing, and it's going to
get appealed up to the Supreme Court and struck down.
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That's what I'm confident about, and I want it to
be that way, rather than empower some other elected official
like me or a sheriff down the road to look
at some other law, maybe one that you and I
like and agree with, and say I'm not going to
enforce that because I don't think that's constitutional. But having
said that, during the pendency of this law, while it's
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working its way through the appellate process, like any other
officer who has limited resources, and I'm talking about the
sheriff and the district attorney, you have to prioritize how
you spend those resources. And it may very well be
that any cases that get brought to the sheriff's attention
may not be prioritized. The same way we would. Oh,
I don't know sex assault on a child or a
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dui or a robbery, a burglary, a murder for that instance.
And so these cases may not rush into the courtroom
to be resolved because maybe when the sheriff investigates, there
just isn't enough evidence there to bring someone to court. So,
you know, I just I'm worried about announcing I've determined
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for me that this is so obviously unconstitutional. I just
simply announced I'm never going to enforce it, because I
really do think the courts are going to do that
for us, and I really don't want to give scandal
to the rule of law.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I largely agree with you, George, and I'm hopeful for
the same as The calculation that the Supreme Court will
strike this down, I think is the correct one, and
we'll see how this plays out going forward. But I
think both precedent and history are on our side when
it comes to that in our Second Amendment rights. A
very thorough, complete and precise answer there from George Brockler,
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the district attorney in the twenty third George, I did
get this text message, however, from Sheriff Steve Ringsweld, County.
He goes, couldn't you have gotten a manly da on?
And I guess I had to settle for you?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Oh my god, of course I presume. I presume he
texted you that from a bar.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
George, appreciate your time. Keep fighting the good fight. We're
gonna win this one.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Thanks man.
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was a fabulous question you asked, Ryan, what if these doctors,
what if these psychologists are wrong?
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