July 28, 2025 • 35 mins
Erin Lee, founder of Protect Kids Colorado, joins Ryan to discuss the appeal of her lawsuit against Poudre Schools to SCOTUS and the high court officially putting the case on the docket for consideration.
Then, George Brauchler, 23rd district attorney, joins Ryan to discuss his former district (18th) dropping attempted kidnapping charges against registered sex offender due to an updated statute in state law prohibiting mentally incompetent defendants from facing charges. The problem is, the state lacks the facilities and resources to keep incompetent offenders in psychiatric facilities indefinitely - so, ultimately, such perpetrators are eventually released back into the public, whether or not they've been rehabilitated.
Then, George Brauchler, 23rd district attorney, joins Ryan to discuss his former district (18th) dropping attempted kidnapping charges against registered sex offender due to an updated statute in state law prohibiting mentally incompetent defendants from facing charges. The problem is, the state lacks the facilities and resources to keep incompetent offenders in psychiatric facilities indefinitely - so, ultimately, such perpetrators are eventually released back into the public, whether or not they've been rehabilitated.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To be along with you and Zach Segers on the
other side of the glass. Kelicacherra wandering around somewhere. I
think she was on the phone. This from the Daily
Signal exclusive lawsuit against school district which secretly transitioned between girls,
added Totis Dockett. Now that was by Elizabeth Trumpman Mitchell,
but joining us now she is senter to this cause
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and center to this lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Aaron Lee.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
She's the founder of Protect Kids Colorado and she's a
frequent guest on this program. We're happy to have her back, Aaron.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Welcome, Hey, ry Ian, thanks for having me a.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Lot of questions, and I know you and I have
kind of had a back and forth as to what
this really means.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So let's start there.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It says that your lawsuit against the Powder School District
has been added to the scotisdaca, but that does not
mean that they've agreed to take up the case yet.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Correct. Correct.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We have filed our sort petition and it was accepted
onto the docket for consideration. But so now we hope
and pray that Scotis will take up her grant search
and agreed to hear the case.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Now, I regret not asking you this before, But I
see the plural in the headline here, and I know
we've spoken about your daughter, and what a wonderful story
it turned out to be. It could have had a
lot darker ending or path from where she was at
one time, having gone to this fake art club that
was not that and in fact was in a Doctor
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Nation type of group for LGBTQ plus whatever issues, and
that your daughter was very confused by that, and it
took a long journey to kind of pry her away
from that way of thinking. And yet there were more
than just her affected by this.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, So our incident happened four years ago in May.
Our daughter was harmed and I croomed in a secret
gender and sexuality club where our parental rights were violated.
Our family was wrecked, our faith in the public school
system was completely shattered. And when I went public a
year later, so many families came out of the woodwork.
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I mean handful of families just from that art club alone,
and none of them knew that it had happened. So
we were so lucky. Our daughter came home and broke
the rule that you don't tell your parents and actually
told us about the secret gender and sex club and
her transition that had happened at school. But all these
other families had no idea until we spoke up, and
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so unfortunately it took us a long time to find
our legal team. Now I think it was, you know,
God's plan that we would end up with America First
Policy Institute Pam Bondi taking our case and Allumin Legal
out of Denver, But it was difficult to find anyone
who would represent a case like this, and by the
time we filed our initial complaint in May of twenty
twenty three, the statute of limitations had lapsed for most
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of those families, so they didn't all make it onto
the lawsuit, but two of us did. So it's my
family and then another family, the Juriks, and their little
girl harbored this secret for a whole year until we
went public, and during that time she tried every LGBTQ
identity she was, asexual, trans gender, she tried them all,
and her story includes the suicide attempt where she drank
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the leech and almost died as a result of harboring
the secret from her parents. So an even worse story
than my families. If you can imagine.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That it's difficult to imagine, but we have to confront it,
and that's what Aaron Lee is doing and find out
more about her organization online Protect Kids Colorado dot org.
I always keep coming back to this, and Aaron, you
and I have discussed this at length, and that is
no adult in a position of trust or power should
ever tell a child to you have to keep this
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a secret. Right there, right there is a red flag
warning that if this was such a great idea, two things,
you wouldn't have had the pretend it's an art club.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You could have called it what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's a great thing, and you wouldn't have had to
had the kid keep it a secret from the parents.
So I don't even know how this holds muster with
the school district coming out and making a comment saying,
we completely dissociate ourselves from this type of behavior, from
this type of organization.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
We're going to make sure we cut all ties to that.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
How was it handled, Aaron, going back in time now
by Pooter Schools when this all came to light, what
was their reaction to that? What was their statement publicly
about it?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, a Twitter school district has doubled and tripled down
on this practice. They you know, behind closed doors, public
records revealed that they were, you know, vilifying us instantly,
they were deeming us unfit parents, you know, defending their
decision to keep secrets from us, encouraging staff to continue
keeping secrets, colluding with the school board to keep us quiet.
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And it's interesting, one of the biggest criticisms I've received
all along in the last four years is that didn't happen.
You're making it up, This isn't a real issue, or
this is an isolated incident. But the reality is that
the school districts never denied anything that happened with our family.
They have only defended those actions, claiming that you know,
they had a right to keep secrets from us, they
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had a right to transition the skits, to have these
states space club to self identify as trusted adults with
other people's children, and that you really touched on that
that is such a pervasive issue. You'll be hard pressed
to find any school district who doesn't do these trusted
adult trainings where they encourage staff to self identify as
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trusted adults to other people's children, which we see here
in my face and so many others is incredibly.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Dangerous, aaronly our guests again, her organization Protect Kids Colorado Online,
Protect Kids Colorado dot org.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So take us through Erin if you will.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And you've got a great brilliant mind for this, in
organizing your thoughts, in cultivating this lawsuit, in getting the
right people involved in on board from a legal standpoint,
attorneys representing you, and so forth. Where does it go
from here? What is the basis of the lawsuit? What
is the remedy that you're seeking, What is the relief
you hope the Supreme Court of the United States will
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be able to provide?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, been quite a process to get here, I said,
this happened in twenty one. We filed the laws through
twenty three. Here we are halfway through twenty twenty five,
finally appealing totis. We have great attorneys, as I said,
America First Policy Institute, and they have really framed a
very narrow argument. And so the question that they've presented
the Supreme Court with is simple. It does a school
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district have the right to discard the presumption that parents
are fit and act in the best interests of their
children and then arrogate to themselves the right to direct
the scare custody and control of our children. So basically
that the argument is just do school districts have a
right to lie to parents, to assume them guilty and
sel proven innocent, and to make really critical decisions about
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a child's psychosocial development without including the parents. And so
that's the question that we put before SOTIS. I also
want to point out this is we're not the only
secret school transition case. So last week ADS filed a
similar case, but first Ludlow with non religious parents, and
it's my understanding January Little John, who was in President
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Trump's boxes the State of the Union, will also be
appealing for our case to the Supreme Court. So we're
not the only one of this kind, and it's possible
they can hear one of the other cases. It's also
possible they could consolidate them into one issue before the
Supreme Court. So we're really optimistic that there's nowhere else
for this issue to go, that this is going to
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have to be decided by the biggest court in the land.
There's just too much gray area in law, and schools
are using loopholes to continue to light to parents, and
you know, to the tune of thousands and thousands of
families across the country have gone through what we have.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
One final question, Aaron, because this is where I land
on the issue, and that is it's not one hundred zero.
In other words, a child may be experiencing gender justs
for you, that's a real thing, and there might be
some concern about how parents.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Might react in that situation.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Would the child be in danger, would the child you know,
be abused by the parents in that situation?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But to me, the.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Threshold that bar should be very, very high when you
start usurping the rights of parents to make decisions for
their children and just inserting yourselves as putter schools apparently
is done here as you allege, and so many schools
across the country have done the same as kind of
a stand in parent themselves guardian type status that they've
bestowed upon themselves without any kind of hearing, without any
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kind of determination.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So where is that line for you where you go?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I acknowledge that some kids might be subject to abuse,
and in those cases, you know, the state should step
in or a school might have to step in to
protect the kid. But the thing is they've made this
kind of blanket assertion that all parents are hostile to
this and should be treated the same.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So where is that defining line for you?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, there's this mindset that parents are all guilty until
proven innocent, and that's exactly what the precedent of this
lawsuit would say. That parents should be assumed shit parents
until proven otherwise. And so I think there should be
a bar for schools to prove that, you know, not
affirming your child is not abuse. And I'll harken back
to thirteen twelve, which was such a gift for Colorado
because they so plainly said that parents who are unwilling
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to transition their children are deemed abusive. They tried to
make that state law explicitly. So it's very clear that
there's this mindset across the board, especially in public schools.
But if you're not willing to transition your child socially
and medically, you are an unfit parent. And I believe
that one of these cases, I sure hope it's mine,
and that Cooter has made an example of Well, that's
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that precedent that they can no longer operate under that assumption.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well, she is.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Gained for the fight, that is for sure. And you
can follow her on exit. Aaron e Er, I m
the number four parents on that platform. Will keep an
eye on this case as it continues to make its way,
hopefully all the way to the Supreme Court. Aaron, and
thank you so much for taking the time to join
me today.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Thanks Ryan, Brian Errin Lee.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
There your thoughts five seven, seven three nine this text, Ryan,
it seems most leftists in power, and I will use
Governor Polis as an example, assume the worst and most people,
which is why they go on and on and on
with their scenarios of workplace discrimination. So the left is
will micro manage the rest of us while they trashed children.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's an interesting viewpoint, and I'm with Aaron on this.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
The burden of proof as to whether parents are fit
or not should be upon the accuser, and that would
be in this case, the schools or the state. You know,
we had this bizarre was it? Lorraina Garcia was a representative.
I think I had this sound you might recall it.
That was good hearkening back to English monarchal days when
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we were subjects of the king and that our children
were wards of the state, and that we should maybe
think about it more in those terms. The parents never
really did have rights here and maga, what are you
talking about, miss me with that argument? But yeah, until
they are proven to be completely hostile to a child's interest.
And there are parents that abused their children out there,
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and those cases there should be justice meeted out.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But there's a there's a process to go through.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You don't just willy nilly Leroy Jenkins your way into
this thing and say no, we're gonna do what's best
for your kids. We know what's best for your kids
more than you do.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Parents.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That is a dangerous slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And hopefully this court case that Aaron has been on
the side of filing will bear it out in the
Supreme Court of the United States by seven seven three nine.
Getting back to Dion Sanders, if you're just tuning in,
he had a successful surgical procedure to remove his bladder.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
He had cancer and a diagnosis that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Surgical means was the best way to go about it,
and he got rather emotional talking about it earlier today
in a press conference in Boulder Only.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
But surely I build myself back up to where I'm able,
I'm strong, I'm ready. I'm still probably about twelve pounds down.
I'm gonna getting that it right. I'm gona fit these
overhalls up, becking no others. But it has been patremendous journey,
and I'm.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Truly thankful the God. God is so good. God is
so good.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
You have no idea, You have no idea.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Oh good guys it for me to be here. You
have no idea. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Overcome with emotion, Coach Prime continues in the question to
answer portion of this press conference with the line that
I think stands out and jumps off the page.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
What was it like staring death in the face and
dealing with is there death.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
In my face? I stared light? I stared life in
the face. Man, I stared red.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
What do you think I plan?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
When I tell you I'm God's God, I really am.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I'm allowed to go through these traps stipulations so that
I could touch and reach and and and then and
bless people put my words, would the energy, would would
thing that that God gave me.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
So I've never thought about no death.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You know.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I had got to make a wheel because I want
to be a business. I want to be a good steward,
you know, for my kids and for my family. But
no I've got too much life to be thinking about death.
Too much life. I got too much life with me
and I got work to do. We hadna win the
then championship. You talk my death, No, God, definite, make
it ready to take me.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Before then, I was staring life in the face, says Dion.
I mean that just puts everything that he's going through
and turns it on its head and doesn't allow it
to consume him. I mean in the literal sense of cancer,
but in the figurative sense of the emotional, the psychological
toll that such a diagnosis can take. But his faith
in God made him resolute in that battle. And on
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the subject of God, he had some words for people
that don't like it when he invokes the name of
the Lord.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Oh you people that get upset when I said talking
about the lawyer. I never once through this whole journey,
he said, God, why me? Because I would have to say, God,
why you? I mean, you sitting me up here in
front of these wonderful people, Why you give me the
position of the footbocals of the prestigious university.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Why you allow me to father five wonderful kids.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Why you can give me the disease, relationships with these
wonderful people.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
Why mean, Flord, did I have some of the things
that I have? I can never say that. I can
never say the other side because I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
A asks that he's just focused on what he is
thankful for in this great life that he has had.
And think about the life that Dion Sanders has led
to this point. I mean, you talk about true blessings
and a guy that really appreciates it. The success that
he's enjoyed, he certainly has earned it, but he doesn't
think he has gotten there alone. And he knows that
he hasn't, and that faith rooted in God and humility
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has allowed him to flourish and shine far beyond that
which he would have done without that faith. And this
is how he camped off those remarks.
Speaker 9 (15:06):
I said, Lord, whatever it is that you're doing, let
me know what it is so I could extradicate the process,
because I know you've got me.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I've seen you have my back.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I've seen you there in the midst of storms but
nobody knew I was going through hell.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
I've seen you guide me and bring me through. Lord.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I would never say why me, but letting me know
what I need to do so that I can help them.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
And there's some people out there right.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Now dealing with the same issue affected by that sea
word that we usually when we see that word is
normally a life sentence attached to it.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
But not this time.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
But not this time, because God got me. God's got me.
I mean, it's just powerful stuff. And I wouldn't claim
to be the most religious person myself, but mark upon
Prime's faith, and I'm in awe of it, and I
admire it so much, and I strive and yearn for
more of it in.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
My own life.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And I know how much strength that can provide you
to weather the storms, like Prime says there, and to
set the example where he's been through so much. Like
I said, he's lost a couple of toes, he's got
other problems going on with his health, and now the
bladder cancer diagnosis has to have that removed. It's going
to affect how he uses the bathroom for the rest
of his life. And yet he keeps that shiny optimism
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front and center and unshakable is his faith in God
that this cannot destroy him, this cannot defeat him. And
what an inspiration that is anybody washing this today that
might be going through something similar, might have that fear
going into it going Look, Dion just showed me the
roadmap on how to navigate this and how to fight
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this battle against cancer that seems so daunting. But if
Prime can do it, and he can inspire others to
do it, well, then by God, literally I'm going to
do it. I mean, just so many things remarkable, Zach
about this press conference that stood out to me today,
really defining who he is.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
Yeah, I think Coach Prime is a very remarkable figure.
And I wasn't super familiar with him before he got here. Yeah,
but I was on the beat when he first arrived
here in Colorado and from the jump. I mean people
talk about him being a me person. The way he's
uplifted that entire team and all those kids around him
is really amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, such a good point. I think he's one of
the most selfless coaches. I've witnessed everything that he's gone through,
and his son's playing on the team, but they were
held in the same standard as everybody else, because you're
a lot of hope, a lot of faith going into
the CU football season with him at the Helm as.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
A community member, I'm very concerned that video is concerning.
Speaker 11 (17:53):
Eighteen Judicial District Attorney Amy Patten says she shares the
same concerns as families and community members. The court is
poised to dismiss charges against thirty four year old Solomon Galligan.
Speaker 10 (18:03):
And it is frustrating that our hands are tied by
the way that the state.
Speaker 11 (18:07):
Law is pat and TELCBS Colorado. The previous laws to
the court may dismiss charges in a case where someone
is found mentally incompetent to stand trial. Now this latest
statute says the court quote shall dismiss the case.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I would like to see some changes to the state.
Speaker 10 (18:22):
Statute that address these situations. If someone is that mental state,
they should not be released in my view, under any circumstances.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
Aden says the new law had good intentions, but is
not doing enough to prevent violent offenders from slipping through
the cracks.
Speaker 10 (18:37):
And it's my understanding that I think the legislature had
anticipated that there would be additional civil commitment resources available,
but those resources haven't materialized.
Speaker 11 (18:48):
Without additional funding, it's future defendants, she worries, will not
get the treatment they need and be back on the streets.
Speaker 10 (18:54):
We either need resources available or we need more discretion
in the court be sure that people that have severe
mental illness and have committed a crime aren't just getting
released with no consequences.
Speaker 11 (19:07):
She also says she wants to work with lawmakers to
fund mental health services that prevent people from committing crimes
in the first place.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
This is something, to be honest, that have been on
my radar even prior to this particular case. We can
treat that mental illness, hopefully they won't commit another crime.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But if we leave that mental illness.
Speaker 10 (19:25):
Untreated, I think there's a high probability that they will
commit another crime.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Gabriella of Vidal of CBS Colorado four reporting and finally
getting Amy Padden, eighteenth District Attorney, on the record on camera. Now,
this just so happens to coincide with a recall effort
petition being formulated by Danielle Jorinsky the Aurora City Council.
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Did it take that for pad to finally come out
make a statement along these lines and in so doing
basically punts any and all responsibility of our prosecutor's office,
blames it on this new law, which we know is
partly responsible for what's happening here.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
With this.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Solomon Gallaghan, a registered sex offender in Pueblo County who
on camera was caught trying to kidnap a fifth grader
and eleven year old from an elementary school playground. That happened,
We saw it, everybody saw it. But all we can
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do here is well, I just hope the Colorado General
Assembly reconsiders maybe passes a new different law.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But otherwise nothing we can do.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
He's going to be churned back out into society as
soon as there aren't enough beds in a psychiatric ward
to hold him any longer. And just by virtue of
him being declared incompetent to stand trial, that is his
get out a jail free card quite literally. Well, joining
us now with his expert perception of this. He is
the DA formerly of the eighteenth, currently of the twenty third.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Want to get his thoughts.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
George Brockler joins us and Ryan Schuling live George, welcome back.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
What do you make of one Amy Patten coming out
publicly finally now and two what she had to say there?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Well?
Speaker 5 (21:15):
One, as you know, man, I'm a big fan of
accessibility and transparency for the elected prosecutor of any jurisdiction,
and my predecessor, successor John Killner, was the same way.
You don't wait until the house is on fire to
step out and explain how it caught on fire. That's
my sense of it. But I'm glad that she's coming
forward now, she's sat down for some interviews best guest,
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first ones of her tenure in office. Don't know what
the motivations are, but I think we ought to support
it and cheer it on and hope that it's the
new norm in terms of the substance. She's not wrong
in what she says, but there are other things at
work here that don't really get explored. I'll give you
an example.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
One one of.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Us, out of these two prosecutors, comes from the party
in power, and they've been in power now for a
long time. It seems to me seven months into this thing,
and this case has existed long before that. To simply
announce yeah, I'm troubled by the law too, I don't know.
I don't have the ability to pick up the phone
call the Speaker of the House or the Senate president,
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or even the Attorney General who endorsed Amy and who
Amy has endorsed for Attorney General. I don't have the
ability to do any of those things to make a difference.
She does, so I'm hopeful that that's what she's going
to do with her influence and her power. And then
the other parts of this are you know, My understanding
is the state hospital came back and found this guy competent,
but perhaps not likely to remain competent. I don't know,
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because I haven't seen the report. It's all super secret stuff.
What I do know is this, you can fight like hill.
You don't have to roll over and play dead on
an issue of incompetence. Make the court do its job,
Make the court take testimony and find that this guy
needs to be put back out on the street. But
that's my sense of it.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
George Brockler joining USDA in the twenty third, that's Douglas County,
Amy Padden's the DA in the eighteenth. They've been cleaved
from one another. That's a Rappaho county. That's where I live.
Sadly for me, because my DA used to be George
Brockler and after that John Kellner and now Amy Padden
kind of pursuing that path of least resistance. Take that
you had there George, all I want to do right here,
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because you are a district attorney and you've been one,
is insert George Brockler in for Amy Patten. You once
represented that very district, and how it could have been
handled differently. Let's say, in all fronts, could be a
messaging front like you mentioned, she's finally come out of
the woodwork to make public comments of her own, not
high behind a press release, not high behind her subordinates,
get front and center and tell us what she's really thinking.
(23:44):
And then two, like you said, kind of chasing this
down to its logical conclusion and exhausting all options therein,
how would you maybe have handled this differently and might
there have been a different outcome.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I don't know about the outcome piece, because the law
is just broken, and without looking at the reports, it's
hard for me to second guess the entire path. But
I'll say this, I would be inclined to fight like
hell until the bitter end to keep this guy in
a position where he can do the least amount of
harm to the public. One of the other things they've
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talked about is, look, there's a civil commitment. Aspect of
short term civil commitment is what he's been put in
for well, that's ninety days.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
That's it. Ninety days.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
No promise of any additional treatment, no promise of any
additional commitment or anything like that. I think you and
I should expect that this guy gets brought back to
a certain level of competence and he's put right back
out on the street. Could that be within ninety days.
I think so, just based on the fact that this
dude's had three or four trips to court over this
exact same issue and keeps finding his way back to
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public schools and in onto our streets. So the other
thing is if I was in a position to influence
the position and power, if I came from the third
largest judicial district in this and I was a DEM
and they were the Dems, you got to believe I'm
not waiting until July twenty eighth to have this conversation
about changing the law. That this is part and parcel
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what I've been doing since I took over office on
January the fourteenth. But it's not me. I'm not in
that position. All I can do is use the teeny
tiny little soapbox I have. And of course, anything you're
you guys are willing to throw my way. But this
is not a this is a special session thing, Ryan,
This is not a let's see if we can get
this change in the future. This is governor called the
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damn special session right now, and let's fix this.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And out of that note, George Brockler, I guess DA
in the twenty.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Third, I know it's not a state case, and you
want to respect kind of chain of command here when
it comes to a local DA doing her job or
you doing your job. But shouldn't the Attorney General of
this state, Phil Wiser, have some kind of take on
what's going on here in the safety of the citizens
of Colorado who he wants to represent as governor one day.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
That is such an incredibly insightful question, Ryan, because this
is an attorney general that has made it his mission
to show up on a whole host of things that
wouldn't normally fall under his purview, and one of the
big ones is mental health. This dude shows up and
use funds that aren't appropriated to him by the legislature,
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to go out and hold town halls and to throw
money at different mental health things all over the state.
And yet he is crickets chirping when it comes to
this critical issue. Not just because of this case, but
you can look all the way around.
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Look at the Forts.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Judicial district man. They had a guy kill someone behind
the wheel who is going to be cut loose because
of incompetence, because of this ridiculous law. This dude wants
to be governor. He spent six and a half years
now as the attorney general. He opines on everything that
gives him political advantage, but says nothing on this. How
can that be?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, such a great point.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
One more clip here from Gabrielle Vidal for CBS Colorado Force.
She's done amazing work and reporting on this story and
bringing it into the spotlight, and I think forcing Emy Pattens.
On the one hand, like I said, Danielle Jerinski is
organizing a petition to try to recall Amy Padden from
the position of DA in the eighteenth But on the
other hand, there's been public outcried, like to think in
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part because of the coverage Gabriello's given this because of
the conversations I've had on this with Daniel Jerinsky and
the aforementioned George Brockler.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Listen to this.
Speaker 13 (27:19):
This is a complicated situation and the community is understandably
confused and concern So tonight we're speaking one on one
with the Arapao County District Attorney to get a better understanding.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Of this law.
Speaker 13 (27:31):
The reporter gabrielle Vidal, has been following this case from
the start and joins us Live tonight, and Gabby the
DA says this law is frustrating, but that her hands
are tied.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Yeah, it's right, Michael. And the District Attorney's office tells
us they've received roughly fourteen hundred calls and emails from
families and people in the community concerning this case.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And while we've had.
Speaker 11 (27:49):
The opportunity to hear from some of those people critical
about the case being dismissed, this is the first time
we're hearing directly from the District attorney herself.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So public pressure politically here fourteen hundred calls on this
case alone. George, what's the most number of calls you've
ever received about any case?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I got one percent of that. Well, nothing, I can't
think of anything like that. I think it's a product
of the urgency related to this important issue. But I
also think and as long as she stays in the
public eye inaccessible. I don't expect this to happen again.
But when you don't make yourself available and understand why
the person she has drug out to do all the
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public talking and all the bad cases like the kid
who blew up that Wagner girl, a Weaver girl at
ninety miles an hour. That guy is in trial in
the Jim Craig case, so he can't come out and
talk for her. As long as she stays accessible, and
I encourage.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Her to do that, I don't think this happens.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Again this way. You got to be proactive with the
public or they begin to be skeptical about what the
hell you're doing.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So, whether you live in a Rapahole County like I
do and are voicing your concerns, continue to do that.
Give her those phone calls to the DA's office, do
it peacefully and in the eighteenth and then also Daniel
Jorinsky on the other side of this, organizing a recall petition.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
If you live in a Rapo county, be sure to
sign that.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
George Brockler our guest, he is the DA and the
twenty third George, great insights. As always, thank you so
much for taking the time with me.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
All right, thanks man, talking you soon.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Ge Brockler, love that guy five seven seven thirty nine.
Your chance to get your thoughts in on this topic
or any other that you heard today on Ryan Shuling
Live after this whindy things down on this Monday edition
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Dan coming up at four p m.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Just moments away.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
But how about this on the day, we're talking about
this fire that started on an American Airlines flight at DIA,
and people were evacuating the plane and going for their
carry ons when they shouldn't have been, and there weren't
anybody helping at the bottom of the slide as people
just wanted at a time. It was every man for himself,
every woman for herself, every kid for themselves.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well how about this?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Did you see this, Kelly? This is just breaking today.
Bomb threat on Frontier flight at DIA under investigation by FBI.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I did hear about that?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Two threatening notes were discovered on the Denver bound plane,
Frontier officials, said. Federal officials investigating after a Monday morning
bomb threat evacuated at a Frontier Airlines flight that landed
at DIA, though no devices were found. Police say Frontier
crew members on Monday discovered two threatening notes on board
a flight headed from Seattle Tacoma International Airport to denverll
(30:40):
the there you go. It's from Seattle, Chaz Chop land Lord.
It is unknown what the notes said or how they
were discovered. Why Denver? I thought this craps keep happening
right here. I know, we're like a hub in the
Mountain States for United and so on.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It just seems like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It's something almost every single day. Does that make any
of you out there a little less enthusiastic about flying
out of here?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I don't. I gotta fly. I got to get out
of here. That will be over Labor day. Let go
see how.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And that whole gang, that crew and cast of characters
you got Mark Mark was here. I think you met
Mark Jandro.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I did.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Great guy, Yes, proud American, big Trump supporter. Indeed got Angie,
you got Live and Mud those are their nicknames.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Really, it's Susan and Johnny. You're good people.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
But she is also a very big Trump supporter. And
oh you think he sees he sends me pictures of
his cats, probably once a week.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, he's he's a cat man, he really is. I
don't know really how to explain him. Winston and Shady,
it's shady. Yeah, they're interesting cats. Tax five seven seven
three nine. Maybe these das can house.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
These criminals and sexify in their homes since they're so
concerned about criminals rights. This is where it's all breaking
down to. We defer in default to the rights of
the accused and the criminal. And believe me, every defendant
has rights in our judicial system, rights of the accused,
innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Burden of proof is on the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I get all that, but the prosecutor should be in
the business of, oh, I don't know, prosecuting crimes and
earning convictions and not letting somebody like Solomon Gallaghan who's
a danger to others certainly and probably to himself. With
all the compassion I can muster for a sex offender
that tried to pluck an eleven year old off a
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fifth grade elementary school playground, and that guy's going to
have charges dropped, and that guy's going to cycle through
a mental hospital and be kicked out back onto the
streets of Aurora. Are you kidding me? Amy Patton? How
do you explain that to your constituents, to the citizens
who elected you, those who you represent. How can you
look us in the eyes and say that, Aurora, But
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the eighteenth Judicial District in a Rapahole County is safe
for our kids when someone like that isn't prosecuted, convicted
and incarcerated or committed to a mental hospital indefinitely until
they're competent to stand trial and then you go to trial.
Our thanks to George Brockler Aaron Lee for joining me
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in the previous hour. I'll be back with you again
tomorrow right here on Ryan Schuling Life.
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To be along with you and Zach Segers on the
other side of the glass. Kelicacherra wandering around somewhere. I
think she was on the phone. This from the Daily
Signal exclusive lawsuit against school district which secretly transitioned between girls,
added Totis Dockett. Now that was by Elizabeth Trumpman Mitchell,
but joining us now she is senter to this cause
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and center to this lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Aaron Lee.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
She's the founder of Protect Kids Colorado and she's a
frequent guest on this program. We're happy to have her back, Aaron.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Welcome, Hey, ry Ian, thanks for having me a.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Lot of questions, and I know you and I have
kind of had a back and forth as to what
this really means.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So let's start there.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It says that your lawsuit against the Powder School District
has been added to the scotisdaca, but that does not
mean that they've agreed to take up the case yet.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Correct. Correct.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We have filed our sort petition and it was accepted
onto the docket for consideration. But so now we hope
and pray that Scotis will take up her grant search
and agreed to hear the case.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Now, I regret not asking you this before, But I
see the plural in the headline here, and I know
we've spoken about your daughter, and what a wonderful story
it turned out to be. It could have had a
lot darker ending or path from where she was at
one time, having gone to this fake art club that
was not that and in fact was in a Doctor
(01:22):
Nation type of group for LGBTQ plus whatever issues, and
that your daughter was very confused by that, and it
took a long journey to kind of pry her away
from that way of thinking. And yet there were more
than just her affected by this.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, So our incident happened four years ago in May.
Our daughter was harmed and I croomed in a secret
gender and sexuality club where our parental rights were violated.
Our family was wrecked, our faith in the public school
system was completely shattered. And when I went public a
year later, so many families came out of the woodwork.
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I mean handful of families just from that art club alone,
and none of them knew that it had happened. So
we were so lucky. Our daughter came home and broke
the rule that you don't tell your parents and actually
told us about the secret gender and sex club and
her transition that had happened at school. But all these
other families had no idea until we spoke up, and
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so unfortunately it took us a long time to find
our legal team. Now I think it was, you know,
God's plan that we would end up with America First
Policy Institute Pam Bondi taking our case and Allumin Legal
out of Denver, But it was difficult to find anyone
who would represent a case like this, and by the
time we filed our initial complaint in May of twenty
twenty three, the statute of limitations had lapsed for most
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of those families, so they didn't all make it onto
the lawsuit, but two of us did. So it's my
family and then another family, the Juriks, and their little
girl harbored this secret for a whole year until we
went public, and during that time she tried every LGBTQ
identity she was, asexual, trans gender, she tried them all,
and her story includes the suicide attempt where she drank
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the leech and almost died as a result of harboring
the secret from her parents. So an even worse story
than my families. If you can imagine.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That it's difficult to imagine, but we have to confront it,
and that's what Aaron Lee is doing and find out
more about her organization online Protect Kids Colorado dot org.
I always keep coming back to this, and Aaron, you
and I have discussed this at length, and that is
no adult in a position of trust or power should
ever tell a child to you have to keep this
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a secret. Right there, right there is a red flag
warning that if this was such a great idea, two things,
you wouldn't have had the pretend it's an art club.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You could have called it what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's a great thing, and you wouldn't have had to
had the kid keep it a secret from the parents.
So I don't even know how this holds muster with
the school district coming out and making a comment saying,
we completely dissociate ourselves from this type of behavior, from
this type of organization.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
We're going to make sure we cut all ties to that.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
How was it handled, Aaron, going back in time now
by Pooter Schools when this all came to light, what
was their reaction to that? What was their statement publicly
about it?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, a Twitter school district has doubled and tripled down
on this practice. They you know, behind closed doors, public
records revealed that they were, you know, vilifying us instantly,
they were deeming us unfit parents, you know, defending their
decision to keep secrets from us, encouraging staff to continue
keeping secrets, colluding with the school board to keep us quiet.
(04:36):
And it's interesting, one of the biggest criticisms I've received
all along in the last four years is that didn't happen.
You're making it up, This isn't a real issue, or
this is an isolated incident. But the reality is that
the school districts never denied anything that happened with our family.
They have only defended those actions, claiming that you know,
they had a right to keep secrets from us, they
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had a right to transition the skits, to have these
states space club to self identify as trusted adults with
other people's children, and that you really touched on that
that is such a pervasive issue. You'll be hard pressed
to find any school district who doesn't do these trusted
adult trainings where they encourage staff to self identify as
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trusted adults to other people's children, which we see here
in my face and so many others is incredibly.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Dangerous, aaronly our guests again, her organization Protect Kids Colorado Online,
Protect Kids Colorado dot org.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So take us through Erin if you will.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And you've got a great brilliant mind for this, in
organizing your thoughts, in cultivating this lawsuit, in getting the
right people involved in on board from a legal standpoint,
attorneys representing you, and so forth. Where does it go
from here? What is the basis of the lawsuit? What
is the remedy that you're seeking, What is the relief
you hope the Supreme Court of the United States will
(05:53):
be able to provide?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, been quite a process to get here, I said,
this happened in twenty one. We filed the laws through
twenty three. Here we are halfway through twenty twenty five,
finally appealing totis. We have great attorneys, as I said,
America First Policy Institute, and they have really framed a
very narrow argument. And so the question that they've presented
the Supreme Court with is simple. It does a school
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district have the right to discard the presumption that parents
are fit and act in the best interests of their
children and then arrogate to themselves the right to direct
the scare custody and control of our children. So basically
that the argument is just do school districts have a
right to lie to parents, to assume them guilty and
sel proven innocent, and to make really critical decisions about
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a child's psychosocial development without including the parents. And so
that's the question that we put before SOTIS. I also
want to point out this is we're not the only
secret school transition case. So last week ADS filed a
similar case, but first Ludlow with non religious parents, and
it's my understanding January Little John, who was in President
(07:00):
Trump's boxes the State of the Union, will also be
appealing for our case to the Supreme Court. So we're
not the only one of this kind, and it's possible
they can hear one of the other cases. It's also
possible they could consolidate them into one issue before the
Supreme Court. So we're really optimistic that there's nowhere else
for this issue to go, that this is going to
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have to be decided by the biggest court in the land.
There's just too much gray area in law, and schools
are using loopholes to continue to light to parents, and
you know, to the tune of thousands and thousands of
families across the country have gone through what we have.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
One final question, Aaron, because this is where I land
on the issue, and that is it's not one hundred zero.
In other words, a child may be experiencing gender justs
for you, that's a real thing, and there might be
some concern about how parents.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Might react in that situation.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Would the child be in danger, would the child you know,
be abused by the parents in that situation?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But to me, the.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Threshold that bar should be very, very high when you
start usurping the rights of parents to make decisions for
their children and just inserting yourselves as putter schools apparently
is done here as you allege, and so many schools
across the country have done the same as kind of
a stand in parent themselves guardian type status that they've
bestowed upon themselves without any kind of hearing, without any
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kind of determination.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So where is that line for you where you go?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I acknowledge that some kids might be subject to abuse,
and in those cases, you know, the state should step
in or a school might have to step in to
protect the kid. But the thing is they've made this
kind of blanket assertion that all parents are hostile to
this and should be treated the same.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So where is that defining line for you?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, there's this mindset that parents are all guilty until
proven innocent, and that's exactly what the precedent of this
lawsuit would say. That parents should be assumed shit parents
until proven otherwise. And so I think there should be
a bar for schools to prove that, you know, not
affirming your child is not abuse. And I'll harken back
to thirteen twelve, which was such a gift for Colorado
because they so plainly said that parents who are unwilling
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to transition their children are deemed abusive. They tried to
make that state law explicitly. So it's very clear that
there's this mindset across the board, especially in public schools.
But if you're not willing to transition your child socially
and medically, you are an unfit parent. And I believe
that one of these cases, I sure hope it's mine,
and that Cooter has made an example of Well, that's
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that precedent that they can no longer operate under that assumption.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well, she is.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Gained for the fight, that is for sure. And you
can follow her on exit. Aaron e Er, I m
the number four parents on that platform. Will keep an
eye on this case as it continues to make its way,
hopefully all the way to the Supreme Court. Aaron, and
thank you so much for taking the time to join
me today.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Thanks Ryan, Brian Errin Lee.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
There your thoughts five seven, seven three nine this text, Ryan,
it seems most leftists in power, and I will use
Governor Polis as an example, assume the worst and most people,
which is why they go on and on and on
with their scenarios of workplace discrimination. So the left is
will micro manage the rest of us while they trashed children.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's an interesting viewpoint, and I'm with Aaron on this.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
The burden of proof as to whether parents are fit
or not should be upon the accuser, and that would
be in this case, the schools or the state. You know,
we had this bizarre was it? Lorraina Garcia was a representative.
I think I had this sound you might recall it.
That was good hearkening back to English monarchal days when
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we were subjects of the king and that our children
were wards of the state, and that we should maybe
think about it more in those terms. The parents never
really did have rights here and maga, what are you
talking about, miss me with that argument? But yeah, until
they are proven to be completely hostile to a child's interest.
And there are parents that abused their children out there,
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and those cases there should be justice meeted out.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But there's a there's a process to go through.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You don't just willy nilly Leroy Jenkins your way into
this thing and say no, we're gonna do what's best
for your kids. We know what's best for your kids
more than you do.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Parents.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That is a dangerous slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And hopefully this court case that Aaron has been on
the side of filing will bear it out in the
Supreme Court of the United States by seven seven three nine.
Getting back to Dion Sanders, if you're just tuning in,
he had a successful surgical procedure to remove his bladder.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
He had cancer and a diagnosis that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Surgical means was the best way to go about it,
and he got rather emotional talking about it earlier today
in a press conference in Boulder Only.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
But surely I build myself back up to where I'm able,
I'm strong, I'm ready. I'm still probably about twelve pounds down.
I'm gonna getting that it right. I'm gona fit these
overhalls up, becking no others. But it has been patremendous journey,
and I'm.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Truly thankful the God. God is so good. God is
so good.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
You have no idea, You have no idea.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Oh good guys it for me to be here. You
have no idea. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Overcome with emotion, Coach Prime continues in the question to
answer portion of this press conference with the line that
I think stands out and jumps off the page.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
What was it like staring death in the face and
dealing with is there death.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
In my face? I stared light? I stared life in
the face. Man, I stared red.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
What do you think I plan?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
When I tell you I'm God's God, I really am.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I'm allowed to go through these traps stipulations so that
I could touch and reach and and and then and
bless people put my words, would the energy, would would
thing that that God gave me.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
So I've never thought about no death.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You know.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I had got to make a wheel because I want
to be a business. I want to be a good steward,
you know, for my kids and for my family. But
no I've got too much life to be thinking about death.
Too much life. I got too much life with me
and I got work to do. We hadna win the
then championship. You talk my death, No, God, definite, make
it ready to take me.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Before then, I was staring life in the face, says Dion.
I mean that just puts everything that he's going through
and turns it on its head and doesn't allow it
to consume him. I mean in the literal sense of cancer,
but in the figurative sense of the emotional, the psychological
toll that such a diagnosis can take. But his faith
in God made him resolute in that battle. And on
(13:50):
the subject of God, he had some words for people
that don't like it when he invokes the name of
the Lord.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Oh you people that get upset when I said talking
about the lawyer. I never once through this whole journey,
he said, God, why me? Because I would have to say, God,
why you? I mean, you sitting me up here in
front of these wonderful people, Why you give me the
position of the footbocals of the prestigious university.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Why you allow me to father five wonderful kids.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Why you can give me the disease, relationships with these
wonderful people.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
Why mean, Flord, did I have some of the things
that I have? I can never say that. I can
never say the other side because I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
A asks that he's just focused on what he is
thankful for in this great life that he has had.
And think about the life that Dion Sanders has led
to this point. I mean, you talk about true blessings
and a guy that really appreciates it. The success that
he's enjoyed, he certainly has earned it, but he doesn't
think he has gotten there alone. And he knows that
he hasn't, and that faith rooted in God and humility
(14:56):
has allowed him to flourish and shine far beyond that
which he would have done without that faith. And this
is how he camped off those remarks.
Speaker 9 (15:06):
I said, Lord, whatever it is that you're doing, let
me know what it is so I could extradicate the process,
because I know you've got me.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I've seen you have my back.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I've seen you there in the midst of storms but
nobody knew I was going through hell.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
I've seen you guide me and bring me through. Lord.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I would never say why me, but letting me know
what I need to do so that I can help them.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
And there's some people out there right.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Now dealing with the same issue affected by that sea
word that we usually when we see that word is
normally a life sentence attached to it.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
But not this time.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
But not this time, because God got me. God's got me.
I mean, it's just powerful stuff. And I wouldn't claim
to be the most religious person myself, but mark upon
Prime's faith, and I'm in awe of it, and I
admire it so much, and I strive and yearn for
more of it in.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
My own life.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And I know how much strength that can provide you
to weather the storms, like Prime says there, and to
set the example where he's been through so much. Like
I said, he's lost a couple of toes, he's got
other problems going on with his health, and now the
bladder cancer diagnosis has to have that removed. It's going
to affect how he uses the bathroom for the rest
of his life. And yet he keeps that shiny optimism
(16:31):
front and center and unshakable is his faith in God
that this cannot destroy him, this cannot defeat him. And
what an inspiration that is anybody washing this today that
might be going through something similar, might have that fear
going into it going Look, Dion just showed me the
roadmap on how to navigate this and how to fight
(16:55):
this battle against cancer that seems so daunting. But if
Prime can do it, and he can inspire others to
do it, well, then by God, literally I'm going to
do it. I mean, just so many things remarkable, Zach
about this press conference that stood out to me today,
really defining who he is.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
Yeah, I think Coach Prime is a very remarkable figure.
And I wasn't super familiar with him before he got here. Yeah,
but I was on the beat when he first arrived
here in Colorado and from the jump. I mean people
talk about him being a me person. The way he's
uplifted that entire team and all those kids around him
is really amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, such a good point. I think he's one of
the most selfless coaches. I've witnessed everything that he's gone through,
and his son's playing on the team, but they were
held in the same standard as everybody else, because you're
a lot of hope, a lot of faith going into
the CU football season with him at the Helm as.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
A community member, I'm very concerned that video is concerning.
Speaker 11 (17:53):
Eighteen Judicial District Attorney Amy Patten says she shares the
same concerns as families and community members. The court is
poised to dismiss charges against thirty four year old Solomon Galligan.
Speaker 10 (18:03):
And it is frustrating that our hands are tied by
the way that the state.
Speaker 11 (18:07):
Law is pat and TELCBS Colorado. The previous laws to
the court may dismiss charges in a case where someone
is found mentally incompetent to stand trial. Now this latest
statute says the court quote shall dismiss the case.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I would like to see some changes to the state.
Speaker 10 (18:22):
Statute that address these situations. If someone is that mental state,
they should not be released in my view, under any circumstances.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
Aden says the new law had good intentions, but is
not doing enough to prevent violent offenders from slipping through
the cracks.
Speaker 10 (18:37):
And it's my understanding that I think the legislature had
anticipated that there would be additional civil commitment resources available,
but those resources haven't materialized.
Speaker 11 (18:48):
Without additional funding, it's future defendants, she worries, will not
get the treatment they need and be back on the streets.
Speaker 10 (18:54):
We either need resources available or we need more discretion
in the court be sure that people that have severe
mental illness and have committed a crime aren't just getting
released with no consequences.
Speaker 11 (19:07):
She also says she wants to work with lawmakers to
fund mental health services that prevent people from committing crimes
in the first place.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
This is something, to be honest, that have been on
my radar even prior to this particular case. We can
treat that mental illness, hopefully they won't commit another crime.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But if we leave that mental illness.
Speaker 10 (19:25):
Untreated, I think there's a high probability that they will
commit another crime.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Gabriella of Vidal of CBS Colorado four reporting and finally
getting Amy Padden, eighteenth District Attorney, on the record on camera. Now,
this just so happens to coincide with a recall effort
petition being formulated by Danielle Jorinsky the Aurora City Council.
(19:50):
Did it take that for pad to finally come out
make a statement along these lines and in so doing
basically punts any and all responsibility of our prosecutor's office,
blames it on this new law, which we know is
partly responsible for what's happening here.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
With this.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Solomon Gallaghan, a registered sex offender in Pueblo County who
on camera was caught trying to kidnap a fifth grader
and eleven year old from an elementary school playground. That happened,
We saw it, everybody saw it. But all we can
(20:25):
do here is well, I just hope the Colorado General
Assembly reconsiders maybe passes a new different law.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But otherwise nothing we can do.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
He's going to be churned back out into society as
soon as there aren't enough beds in a psychiatric ward
to hold him any longer. And just by virtue of
him being declared incompetent to stand trial, that is his
get out a jail free card quite literally. Well, joining
us now with his expert perception of this. He is
the DA formerly of the eighteenth, currently of the twenty third.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Want to get his thoughts.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
George Brockler joins us and Ryan Schuling live George, welcome back.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
What do you make of one Amy Patten coming out
publicly finally now and two what she had to say there?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Well?
Speaker 5 (21:15):
One, as you know, man, I'm a big fan of
accessibility and transparency for the elected prosecutor of any jurisdiction,
and my predecessor, successor John Killner, was the same way.
You don't wait until the house is on fire to
step out and explain how it caught on fire. That's
my sense of it. But I'm glad that she's coming
forward now, she's sat down for some interviews best guest,
(21:38):
first ones of her tenure in office. Don't know what
the motivations are, but I think we ought to support
it and cheer it on and hope that it's the
new norm in terms of the substance. She's not wrong
in what she says, but there are other things at
work here that don't really get explored. I'll give you
an example.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
One one of.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Us, out of these two prosecutors, comes from the party
in power, and they've been in power now for a
long time. It seems to me seven months into this thing,
and this case has existed long before that. To simply
announce yeah, I'm troubled by the law too, I don't know.
I don't have the ability to pick up the phone
call the Speaker of the House or the Senate president,
(22:17):
or even the Attorney General who endorsed Amy and who
Amy has endorsed for Attorney General. I don't have the
ability to do any of those things to make a difference.
She does, so I'm hopeful that that's what she's going
to do with her influence and her power. And then
the other parts of this are you know, My understanding
is the state hospital came back and found this guy competent,
but perhaps not likely to remain competent. I don't know,
(22:39):
because I haven't seen the report. It's all super secret stuff.
What I do know is this, you can fight like hill.
You don't have to roll over and play dead on
an issue of incompetence. Make the court do its job,
Make the court take testimony and find that this guy
needs to be put back out on the street. But
that's my sense of it.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
George Brockler joining USDA in the twenty third, that's Douglas County,
Amy Padden's the DA in the eighteenth. They've been cleaved
from one another. That's a Rappaho county. That's where I live.
Sadly for me, because my DA used to be George
Brockler and after that John Kellner and now Amy Padden
kind of pursuing that path of least resistance. Take that
you had there George, all I want to do right here,
(23:21):
because you are a district attorney and you've been one,
is insert George Brockler in for Amy Patten. You once
represented that very district, and how it could have been
handled differently. Let's say, in all fronts, could be a
messaging front like you mentioned, she's finally come out of
the woodwork to make public comments of her own, not
high behind a press release, not high behind her subordinates,
get front and center and tell us what she's really thinking.
(23:44):
And then two, like you said, kind of chasing this
down to its logical conclusion and exhausting all options therein,
how would you maybe have handled this differently and might
there have been a different outcome.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I don't know about the outcome piece, because the law
is just broken, and without looking at the reports, it's
hard for me to second guess the entire path. But
I'll say this, I would be inclined to fight like
hell until the bitter end to keep this guy in
a position where he can do the least amount of
harm to the public. One of the other things they've
(24:18):
talked about is, look, there's a civil commitment. Aspect of
short term civil commitment is what he's been put in
for well, that's ninety days.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
That's it. Ninety days.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
No promise of any additional treatment, no promise of any
additional commitment or anything like that. I think you and
I should expect that this guy gets brought back to
a certain level of competence and he's put right back
out on the street. Could that be within ninety days.
I think so, just based on the fact that this
dude's had three or four trips to court over this
exact same issue and keeps finding his way back to
(24:48):
public schools and in onto our streets. So the other
thing is if I was in a position to influence
the position and power, if I came from the third
largest judicial district in this and I was a DEM
and they were the Dems, you got to believe I'm
not waiting until July twenty eighth to have this conversation
about changing the law. That this is part and parcel
(25:09):
what I've been doing since I took over office on
January the fourteenth. But it's not me. I'm not in
that position. All I can do is use the teeny
tiny little soapbox I have. And of course, anything you're
you guys are willing to throw my way. But this
is not a this is a special session thing, Ryan,
This is not a let's see if we can get
this change in the future. This is governor called the
(25:30):
damn special session right now, and let's fix this.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And out of that note, George Brockler, I guess DA
in the twenty.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Third, I know it's not a state case, and you
want to respect kind of chain of command here when
it comes to a local DA doing her job or
you doing your job. But shouldn't the Attorney General of
this state, Phil Wiser, have some kind of take on
what's going on here in the safety of the citizens
of Colorado who he wants to represent as governor one day.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
That is such an incredibly insightful question, Ryan, because this
is an attorney general that has made it his mission
to show up on a whole host of things that
wouldn't normally fall under his purview, and one of the
big ones is mental health. This dude shows up and
use funds that aren't appropriated to him by the legislature,
(26:16):
to go out and hold town halls and to throw
money at different mental health things all over the state.
And yet he is crickets chirping when it comes to
this critical issue. Not just because of this case, but
you can look all the way around.
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Look at the Forts.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Judicial district man. They had a guy kill someone behind
the wheel who is going to be cut loose because
of incompetence, because of this ridiculous law. This dude wants
to be governor. He spent six and a half years
now as the attorney general. He opines on everything that
gives him political advantage, but says nothing on this. How
can that be?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, such a great point.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
One more clip here from Gabrielle Vidal for CBS Colorado Force.
She's done amazing work and reporting on this story and
bringing it into the spotlight, and I think forcing Emy Pattens.
On the one hand, like I said, Danielle Jerinski is
organizing a petition to try to recall Amy Padden from
the position of DA in the eighteenth But on the
other hand, there's been public outcried, like to think in
(27:11):
part because of the coverage Gabriello's given this because of
the conversations I've had on this with Daniel Jerinsky and
the aforementioned George Brockler.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Listen to this.
Speaker 13 (27:19):
This is a complicated situation and the community is understandably
confused and concern So tonight we're speaking one on one
with the Arapao County District Attorney to get a better understanding.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Of this law.
Speaker 13 (27:31):
The reporter gabrielle Vidal, has been following this case from
the start and joins us Live tonight, and Gabby the
DA says this law is frustrating, but that her hands
are tied.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Yeah, it's right, Michael. And the District Attorney's office tells
us they've received roughly fourteen hundred calls and emails from
families and people in the community concerning this case.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And while we've had.
Speaker 11 (27:49):
The opportunity to hear from some of those people critical
about the case being dismissed, this is the first time
we're hearing directly from the District attorney herself.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So public pressure politically here fourteen hundred calls on this
case alone. George, what's the most number of calls you've
ever received about any case?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I got one percent of that. Well, nothing, I can't
think of anything like that. I think it's a product
of the urgency related to this important issue. But I
also think and as long as she stays in the
public eye inaccessible. I don't expect this to happen again.
But when you don't make yourself available and understand why
the person she has drug out to do all the
(28:28):
public talking and all the bad cases like the kid
who blew up that Wagner girl, a Weaver girl at
ninety miles an hour. That guy is in trial in
the Jim Craig case, so he can't come out and
talk for her. As long as she stays accessible, and
I encourage.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Her to do that, I don't think this happens.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Again this way. You got to be proactive with the
public or they begin to be skeptical about what the
hell you're doing.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So, whether you live in a Rapahole County like I
do and are voicing your concerns, continue to do that.
Give her those phone calls to the DA's office, do
it peacefully and in the eighteenth and then also Daniel
Jorinsky on the other side of this, organizing a recall petition.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
If you live in a Rapo county, be sure to
sign that.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
George Brockler our guest, he is the DA and the
twenty third George, great insights. As always, thank you so
much for taking the time with me.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
All right, thanks man, talking you soon.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Ge Brockler, love that guy five seven seven thirty nine.
Your chance to get your thoughts in on this topic
or any other that you heard today on Ryan Shuling
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(29:38):
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Speaker 2 (29:41):
Just moments away.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
But how about this on the day, we're talking about
this fire that started on an American Airlines flight at DIA,
and people were evacuating the plane and going for their
carry ons when they shouldn't have been, and there weren't
anybody helping at the bottom of the slide as people
just wanted at a time. It was every man for himself,
every woman for herself, every kid for themselves.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well how about this?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Did you see this, Kelly? This is just breaking today.
Bomb threat on Frontier flight at DIA under investigation by FBI.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I did hear about that?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Two threatening notes were discovered on the Denver bound plane,
Frontier officials, said. Federal officials investigating after a Monday morning
bomb threat evacuated at a Frontier Airlines flight that landed
at DIA, though no devices were found. Police say Frontier
crew members on Monday discovered two threatening notes on board
a flight headed from Seattle Tacoma International Airport to denverll
(30:40):
the there you go. It's from Seattle, Chaz Chop land Lord.
It is unknown what the notes said or how they
were discovered. Why Denver? I thought this craps keep happening
right here. I know, we're like a hub in the
Mountain States for United and so on.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It just seems like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It's something almost every single day. Does that make any
of you out there a little less enthusiastic about flying
out of here?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I don't. I gotta fly. I got to get out
of here. That will be over Labor day. Let go
see how.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And that whole gang, that crew and cast of characters
you got Mark Mark was here. I think you met
Mark Jandro.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I did.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Great guy, Yes, proud American, big Trump supporter. Indeed got Angie,
you got Live and Mud those are their nicknames.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Really, it's Susan and Johnny. You're good people.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
But she is also a very big Trump supporter. And
oh you think he sees he sends me pictures of
his cats, probably once a week.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, he's he's a cat man, he really is. I
don't know really how to explain him. Winston and Shady,
it's shady. Yeah, they're interesting cats. Tax five seven seven
three nine. Maybe these das can house.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
These criminals and sexify in their homes since they're so
concerned about criminals rights. This is where it's all breaking
down to. We defer in default to the rights of
the accused and the criminal. And believe me, every defendant
has rights in our judicial system, rights of the accused,
innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Burden of proof is on the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I get all that, but the prosecutor should be in
the business of, oh, I don't know, prosecuting crimes and
earning convictions and not letting somebody like Solomon Gallaghan who's
a danger to others certainly and probably to himself. With
all the compassion I can muster for a sex offender
that tried to pluck an eleven year old off a
(32:38):
fifth grade elementary school playground, and that guy's going to
have charges dropped, and that guy's going to cycle through
a mental hospital and be kicked out back onto the
streets of Aurora. Are you kidding me? Amy Patton? How
do you explain that to your constituents, to the citizens
who elected you, those who you represent. How can you
look us in the eyes and say that, Aurora, But
(33:00):
the eighteenth Judicial District in a Rapahole County is safe
for our kids when someone like that isn't prosecuted, convicted
and incarcerated or committed to a mental hospital indefinitely until
they're competent to stand trial and then you go to trial.
Our thanks to George Brockler Aaron Lee for joining me
(33:20):
in the previous hour. I'll be back with you again
tomorrow right here on Ryan Schuling Life.
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