October 9, 2025 • 32 mins
Erin Lee, executive director of Protect Kids Colorado and parent of a daughter who suffered (and recovered) from gender dysphoria, joins Ryan to discuss a 7-0 resolution passed by the Poudre School District in support of "LGBTQIA+ History Month," declaring their commitment to pushing LGBTQ propaganda on students and families in order to create an "inclusive community."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I believe we have the special guests.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Joining us this evening to speak to LGBTQIA Plus History
Month is Aaron Knoblik, Rocky Mountain High School teacher and
GSA sponsor.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome, Aaron. I'm really glad you're here. Hello.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
These moments of recognition are important for a number of reasons.
You see, when I teach about these various celebrations, whether
LGBTQ High Plus History or Black History Month, I think
of them as birthday parties. Sure, we should be recognizing
people every single day, and hopefully that's happening to a degree. However,
isn't it just spectacular whenever we can stop and just
celebrate who you are and celebrate who we are. LGBTQ
(00:36):
Iaplus History Month is a way to honor the past
while speak into the future. We see people within these
contexts we help create and preserve a sense of belonging.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Speaking of future generations.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
While we didn't feel it safe to bring students up here,
I asked our local Rocky Mountain High School GSA this question,
what do you want the school board to know about
how this resolution impacts you or makes you feel?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Okay, that's from the Pudder School District.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And there's one person that we turned to in times
like these, It's Aaron Lee and she's here and she
joins us as the founder of Protect Kids Colorado. And
why you just heard I'll break it down from the
top here on Ryan Schuling Live was Aaron Knobloch, Rocky
Mountain High School teacher.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And what did he say? What was this part right here?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Right here speaking of future generations? While we didn't feel
safe to bring students up here? Why not didn't feel safe?
You're at a school board meeting.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
There has never been a safer time, nor would there
be a safer venue for any student that identified as lgbt.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Q I A plus, what about the two s left?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
The two s out? What about the two s's? That's
the exchange. The Senator Josh Holly had the.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Two spirit like, what is it? What is it? Tell
me what it is? I don't know what it is?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The Q part that Charlie Kirk had a conversation about
that because he was right in our youth. There was
a game on a play that I don't feel comfortable saying,
but it involved the word that the Q is queer.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Isn't that a slur. Isn't it an insult? No, we're
taking the word back. What does it mean? Well, you're queer?
What does that mean? What is a woman?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
That's another question that they have a difficult time answering.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
But hold on here.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, I'm getting confused because now we're telling we're being
told that this October. I guess right, lgbt QIA plus
History month. But wasn't June Gay Pride Month? How many months?
That's one sixth of the calendar? Should there be more?
And remember the famous exchange to Morgan Freeman and Mike Wallace,
(02:37):
And maybe I'll dig that up while Aaron's speaking because
it's classic and Mike Wallace is talking.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
About black history. I don't want Black History Month? Why not?
It's American history. Black history is American history. Yes, he's right.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You remember Morgan Freeman from the movie Glory, great movie
that should be required viewing in schools. But here to
break it all down for us is public and I
mean number one I've been told in the Pooter Public
School District. She currently has a lawsuit pending before the
Supreme Court of the United States. The aforementioned Aaron Lee
aerin Thank You So much for being.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
With me today.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Hey, Ryan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's the first time that I've seen you in person.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yes, I'm glad this's worked out.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
This did work out, and I love today's show because
both of my guests were able to join me live
in studios. So you saw this as well as I did.
Posted by libs of TikTok and shia Echeck. What was
your reaction to what you heard?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I watched it in lifetime, and I after I watched
Pooter school district board meetings, I feel like I need
to do twelve Hail Mary's and do a juice cleanse
because they're just evil. It's nonsense, and almost you said
the same thing I was thinking. It almost feels like
an SNL skit back when SML was funny, except it's
real life. And I know it's real life because they've
applied this ideology to my child and to dozens of
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others whom I've had to help through the destruction that
they've caused to these kids and to our families.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Now, when I brought up that part about this teacher
and two points here for Aaron Nablock, He's a teacher
in Rocky Mountain high school. But two things he had
prepared remarks that were in down.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Speak from the heart, speak what you know, Speak with
your own voice, maybe have a couple bullet points down,
but you don't want to read from a script.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
He did that, and then also just a million miles
an hour.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Got to slow down, gotta breathe got to inhale, got
to exhale. Then deliver the message that you're wanting to deliver.
But the part where he says it's not safe for
students to speak. When I brought that to your attention,
you said that may have something to do with you.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, historically they've brought actual gender confused children, typically girls
who believe they're boys, who have these testosterone voices. They
parade these children who've been medicalized up at the podium
to vilify parents and talk about how great it is
that they're allowed to take testosterone as miners. And I
have exposed that, and so I assume that's a job
at me making them all feel unsafe.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
For all the do is expose their words and their
own words.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
They do it.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I expose it. There's really nothing to be afraid of.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Don't do it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
That's what libs of TikTok has done and caught so
much heat for, you know, exposing these TikTok videos that
liberals shoot for people to see.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You put it out there. It's into the universe, it's
into the ether.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
But then when it reaches the sunlight, the light of
day and the mainstream, not.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
All of a sudden they don't want it out there.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Why not? Well, they do it at every single board meeting.
So you talked about this as LGBTQ History Month, There's
Pride Month, there's Coming Out Week, there's trans Day of Visibility.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
It feels like every week.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Every school board meeting they have another LGBTQ proclamation in
order to make sure people know we're still. We're still
this is the primary tenet of our school district.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It's almost like they're a religious.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Institution and gender ideology is their religion, and so they're
forcing it on us.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I am so glad Aaron Lee brought that up, because
this is the point I've been making in that they
in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination, they don't want Christianity,
religion as is traditionally known, conflated with the issues of
the state in a school separation a church state.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But you just nailed it. That is their religion.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
This ideology is an ethos, it's a belief system, it's
a value system. It is no different than a religion.
And for those that are atheistic and secular, it very
well is their religion. And what they are presenting in
a classroom not.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Just a religion, but a religious cult. They operate as
a cult does where we separate from you, from your family,
and our way is the only way you're allowed to think.
And it's very much a cult. Again, I know because
I rescued my daughter from the cult that they dragged
her into.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Aaronly, our guests just kind of the cliff notes version
of that, because I always have new listeners that may
be hearing you for the first time, Aaron. But where
I'll start and kind of let you catapult off of
is this notion of deception you just touched on. It
was presented as an art club. It was not an
art club. It was an LGBTQ and doctrination club. And
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if that's such a good thing, if that's such a wondrous,
positive thing for kids, just rolling out there and said
this is what it is and come attend.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Why not, right, it's a double whammy with my family.
They deceived my daughter. They actually lured her in under
the false pretense that she was attending in art club,
my barely twelve year old daughter, turned out to be
a gender and sexuality club where there were outside NGOs
in the classroom who were telling the kids things like,
if you're not completely comfortable in your body, that means
you're trans and what twelve year old girl is completely
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comfortable in her body and of course she adopted that.
And if you don't know who you're sexually attracted to,
that means you're queer.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Again, she's twelve.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
She had never thought about it before, so and they
did it intentionally in secret. They called it a confidential club.
And here's the real kicker is when we pressed him
on it, they said, well, we have to provide a
safe space for students, so a safe space from their parents.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And if you look at the video on Lives of
TikTok of that teacher from Rocky Mountain High School, his
shirt says safe space. He's wearing a child mutilation flag
pin that pink and blue and white flag and his
shirt says safe space. And you know, I maintain that
an adult cannot self identify as a trusted adult or
a safe space to someone else's children.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
They don't get to make that determination.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And we continue to see predators come out of this
district who have sexually abused kids, who have raped children,
who have physically abused children. Well, that's what happens when
you have bred this environment of everyone safe and we
keep secrets from parents.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
There was a democratic lawmaker. You're just triggering this memory
for me that had on her website that she cared
about our children. She did not have any children of
her own. And a lot of times these are I'm
just going to say it, they are childless, atheistic, secular
women and men, both genders, but in this particular case,
it was a woman and this co opting of a
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parent's role. When I was growing up, I'm a little
a lot older than you, Aaron, but when I was
brought up in the eighties, you know, just think stranger things.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Those kids.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I was a little bit younger than them. I was
like Erica, the younger sister. I was like her age.
I would have been hanging out with her in that grade.
It's a great show if you haven't seen it, and
then the new season, the final season is supposed to
come out like now ish.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But anyway, they had.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Things called like the PTO or the PTA, the Parents
Teacher Organization or the Parent Teacher Association, and parents and
teachers would get together and they talk about the welfare
of the kids, and they would compare notes and they
would kind of kinund of what do the parents want
or what do the teachers want. Now it's like the
battle lines have been drawn and who gets to influence
and control the kids?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And what you just.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Said really rubs me the wrong way in that children
needing a safe space from their parents. Now, you're always
going to allow for the caveat that if if a
parent is abusing a child, if the child is in
legitimate danger, then yeah, social services comes out and then
maybe you take the kids away. But we're at a
point now, Aaron, where in Colorado, if you don't affirm
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the gender identity of your child, they want to take
your kid away from you. Right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They defined it as coercive control or abuse. And again
these laws are coming from childless people who have no right.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
In mandating how we can parent our kids.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I want to get to this Morgan Freeman clip because
it applies with this again. You're making a month, you're
making a day. You're shouting from the hilltops. It's not unsafe.
It's not unsafe in today's day and age.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
For a kid. I remember, so I was in class
of ninety two.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
There was a young man that was class in ninety
one who's obviously gay, but he didn't come out because
that was going to be uncomfortable for him. Lord knows
you can come out now and you're fine. And nobody
says anything, including conservatives. Conservatives aren't trying to chase gay
people away or pray the gay away.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That's not a thing anymore. Black History months, you find ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
What you're gonna relegate my history to a month? Oh cool, Well,
what do you do with yours? Which month's life is
for a month?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Come on? Tell me?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I'm Jewish? Okay? Which month is Jewish History month? There
isn't one? Oh oh why not?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You want one? No?
Speaker 6 (10:56):
No, no, I don't either. I don't want a blackest
at mouth. Blackst is American history, that's right. How we're
going to get rid of racism.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And stop talking about it.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I'm gonna stop calling you a white man, and I'm
going to ask you to stop calling me a black man.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as
Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Morgan Freeman could read the contents of a soup can
and I would be enthralled.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I would be absolutely locked in.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But what he says there, that is when true equality happens.
For instance, in SNL to use that example, and in
stand up comedy Dave Chappelle Netflix special, he makes a
joke about a trans friend of his that was a comedian,
and you could tell that Dave Chappelle had compassion, empathy
for this person, wanted to have this person be accepted
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for who this person was, and in so doing, including
a trans person in a joke.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Levels the laying field. The left will say that's punching down.
No it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
You are infantalizing that person. You are making them a
subcategory of human. You can't pick on them, they're a
protected class. No, true equality is what Morgan Freeman just said.
We're all Americans. I happen to be black, you happen
to be white. I'm going to ask that you stop
calling me. And then when it comes to any shade
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of LGBTQ whatever. They're a child first, and then you
can be friends with a person that's different from you.
And that's what we should be learning in these schools,
not Aaron, in my opinion, focusing on those differences and
rubbing our noses in it, but rather focusing on what
makes us all the same?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
What do we all agree on? What can we all
do together?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
No, you're totally right.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And this seven person board, all they do is virtue
signal and you listen to the clip again, they say
that we want to celebrate every day these children's sexuality,
which really they sound like predators.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
That's not something that normal adults should be saying about
all the people's children especially, but they tried. It's an
everyday thing that there. Again, their primary objective is to
promote LGBTQ in the classroom, and learning becomes secondary to
their ideology.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Apparently joining us since she has a suit, a case
currently before the Supreme Court of the United States, So
why we have a moment, Aaron, if you could just
update us on that the status of the case, what
the case is, and it evolves the Pwter School District.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yes, so we are in It happened back in twenty
twenty one. We went public in twenty twenty two and
found out that there were so many other parents like
us who didn't know because the rule of this, you know,
quote unquote art club, which was actually gender and Sexuality club,
is don't tell your parents.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
It's what you hear, and hear keep in here.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And it wasn't until we went public that all these
other families started asking questions and piecing things together and realizing,
oh my gosh, this happened to me too. And we
learned this as an incredibly ubiquitous problem. There's so many
people who's been affected by it, and so we filed
this lawsuit Lee versus Pooter. It's case twenty five Dash
eighty nine on the Supreme Court docket, and we went
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before conference on Monday and they I'm sorry last Friday,
and they put out an order list on Monday and
we weren't on it, which is a good thing. We
weren't dismissed and are still in the game. It appears
they've kicked the can down the road. We'll be back
at conference tomorrow. On October tenth, which means they'll have
the opportunity to review the case again. They might continue
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to kick the can down the road, and again it's
a good sign. It means that they're taking their time,
they're reviewing it carefully. They want to compare it to
the other cases like it. There are so many lawsuits
of these secret school transitions, of secret programming, of lack
of school transparency, of pushing LGBTQ on the children, and
so they're going to have to compare and contrast what
cases will best close all the loopholes for the lower court.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Shes Aaron Lee, and another case that was before the
Supreme Court this week was Chiles v.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Salazar.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Colorado could be headed for its third recent loss before
the Supreme Court on similar cases involving free speech and
really just liberty. The Masterpiece cake Shop case, the baker
who didn't want to make custom cakes for same sex weddings,
three ZHO three creative website designer who didn't want to
make wedding websites for same sex couples, and now this
free speech challenge to Colorado's conversion therapy ban.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
There's that slippery slope term to conversion therapy. Now, as
I mentioned earlier. What that used to be known as
is pray the gay away. You're gay, We're going to
make you not gay, you're gay, We're going to make
you straight. And in this case they're saying that conversion therapy.
This is a real twist on logic here. Erin is
where a child has gender dysphoria, believes he or she
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is the opposite gender, and it would be conversion therapy
to deny that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Am I right?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
That's right, that's how they're framing it.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I mean, this is such an example of how TQ
plus has ridden in on the trojan horse of LGB.
Yes that it's unfortunate that the two are conflated. I
don't think anyone wants people to be sent into a
situation where they're told they can pray their gay away.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Most people don't support that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
But what's so funny is they had a circular argument,
and first of all, we won. We won the argument
at the Supreme Court. I'd be surprised if it's not
a nine to zero eight at this point. Really, I
know we won, But they had a circular argument and
also had no argument at all, and at one point
the other side, the attorney General's representative said something to
the effect of, you know, the damage has caused when
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you take this inate quality and try to change it,
and the child tries to They try and try and try,
and they become alienated from their family and they can't
change that innate quality. And I'm over here on my
couch going, yes, that's exactly right. Because when you tell
a child they've been born in the wrong body and
they seek to change it, and they try and try
and try, and they become alienated from their families. Yeah,
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that does cause suicidal ideation. That does cause depression. Again,
I know because my daughter went through it. You can't
change your sex. It's impossible, and it's insane that we
label it conversion therapy to try to help a kid
be comfortable in their body and in their biological sex.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
If conversion therapy and the way you and I are
going to turn this means to convert to trans a
child from their original born as gender sex to the
other one, that should be one hundred percent effective. If
it's such a good thing, there would be no d transitioners,
there would be nobody expressing regret. And we know there
are many young people who express tremendous regret because the
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damage is permanent and you are a lifelong patient dependent
on hormones, drugs, everything else to.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Maintain the illusion of the gender that you've become.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Right, this detransreddit is up to over eighty thousand members.
Now people backtracked and said, no, I was wrong, I
did the wrong thing, and they actually cited these statistics
at the child's argument that over ninety percent of the time,
if you socially transition a child, that is to change
their name and pronouns and push them into the idea
that they've been born in the wrong body, over ninety
percent of the time they move on to medicalization. But
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studies show that if you just leave them alone, leave
them alone and let them grow up and grow out
of it, like my daughter did. Get comfortable in your body,
realize there's no wrong way to be a girl. I
don't have to fit in with what the other girls
are doing, over ninety percent of the time they just
outgrow it. So they're literally forcing kids down this path
of chemical and surgical mutilation. It starts with talk therapy
and it ends with chopping off healthy body parts. Over
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ninety percent of the time that talk.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Therapy was the central issue of Chiles v. Salazar.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
When we come back, we'll have Phil Weiser, the Attorney
General's comments on it his staff presenting before the Supreme
Court of the United States. Aaron Lee are a guest
confident it could be nine to nothing. I think it'll
be at least six' three and somewhere in that neighborhood
in favor of, therapists, who, again through advice given by
word First, amendment can tell a child whether or not
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it would open up This pandora's, box allowing people to
Say i'm going to practice whatever type of MEDICINE i
want Because i've got Some First amendment interest in doing.
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your response to what The Attorney General Phil wiser said, There,
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Speaker 2 (20:48):
Law's hostile to, reality, truth sanity protecting children from having
their body parts. Mutilated and, yeah let's throw conservatives And
christians in there, too because the majority of the parents
who dis sent to having their kids sit down the
path of mutilation are conservative And, christian myself being one of.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Them, look let me just TAKE i don't feel this
way Because i'm right with you and everybody else that's
fighting against.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
THIS i don't want kids. HARMED i don't want them chopped.
UP i don't want them on. HORMONES i don't want
their puberties blocked. Them you wouldn't do this to. Animals
you wouldn't do this to a litter of. Puppies you
wouldn't do this to a little of.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Kittens you. Wouldn't why would if you wouldn't do it
to your, pet why would you do it to your?
Child what's their?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Identity you know they could do whatever they. Want they
can keep their body parts. Intact, though why do we
jump to that? Square even If i'm a moderate on
this issue here And i'm, not admittedly a therapist is
sitting now talking to a child with. Genderness for, you
what is not in line with science medicine that would, say,
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okay here are your. Options one of them is we
can put you on the track to. Transition we can
chop off your body, parts put you on puberty.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Blockers we can pump you full of, hormones you be
on them for the rest of your. Life you can do.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
That but on the other, hand maybe you're not the opposite.
Gender this is the other path that's. Possible we talked through.
It you determine that maybe you're gay and that's okay
because body parts don't come off when you're. Gay you're just,
gay or, maybe like you, say you grow through, it
you grow out of. It it is a phase that
you went. Through you were, confused you were, young you
were going through. Puberty of, course all of us do.
(22:23):
That all of us are. Confused why is it that
the hard Left Phil, wiser every Other democrat in the
state Of.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Colorado, no, no, no, no you can't present that.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Option it's it's fast tracked to chop it off body
parts or.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Bust i'm still trying to figure out why my Friend
Kyle clark didn't have me on a program to give
the other side of the. Coin Only, PHIL, ABC cbs
AND pbs had me on with an opposing. View we've
been legislated to death with gender. Ideology just Watching Megan
kelly yesterday and she was highlighting How colorado was the
most insane radical state for gender ideological, laws unconstitutional laws that.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Have been forced on.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Us is now the third time we find ourselves at
The Supreme court striking down an unconstitutional law that is
based in PUSHING lgbtq on, citizens forcing our, speech forcing
our daily. Lives we're the laughingstock of the entire country
because so many radical laws have been passed that force
how we view and act in response to lgbt TOW
(23:23):
qq plus really to gender.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Ideology, well and we know that because you, Know i'm
very good friends with the Log Cabin republicans here in
the state Of, Colorado gays Against groomers who were president
at The Jeffco Kids first gala THAT i spoke, at
and these are LGBs for the most. Part But i'm
going to say there are teas that are, like you,
KNOW i made that choice for myself as an, adult
BUT i don't want that forced on. Kids in, fact
(23:46):
one is a listener to this program WHO i value very,
highly but that kids are a, separate distinct category that
we need to handle with.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Care and thankfully there.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Are people Like Archie, letter like the Log, Cabin republicans
Like gaye Against crumers that have the exact same stance
on this as you OR i. Do.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well it's funny that the conversion therapy is the term
that's in play, here BECAUSE i believe that telling an
infeminate boy or a masculine girl that they were actually
born in the wrong body and it's not okay to
be attracted to the same sex is conversion. Therapy you're
doing the, thing you're harming the people that you purport
to be. Helping it's not conversion. Therapy it's just telling
the kids reality that it's.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
OKAY i have interviewed a trans person who came on
this program who was a mutual follow on X asian and,
background a biological male who became female but regretted, it
and you, know.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Once it's, done can't be.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Undone we know what we're talking about, here but realized
through intense therapy counseling that a lot of what fuels
this is an internalized, homophobia meaning there's a lot of
self loathing going.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
UP i don't want to be a gay.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Person, therefore IF i transition to the opposite, SEC i
would then be a straight heterosexual. Person that seems to
be kind of the mindset focus for somebody that's going
through that a lot of.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Times, Right AND i go back to The Pewter School
district board where you have seven heterosexual board members who
are pushing this ideology on, children and it is deeply. Homophobic,
yes she tell, kids if you're a feminate, male you're
actually born on the wrong body and you could be a.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Girl maybe you're just.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Gay there's A Family guy episode in Which quagmire's dad
decides that he's going to become a, woman and What quagmire,
says it's really.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Funny oh, yeah just be. Gay that's like he can handle.
That quagmire can handle. That that was an episode that's
like twenty years.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
AGO i want to, say but five, seven, seven three
nine some texts here before we go to Break. Ryan
so lgbtqia plus now wants two. Months what would happen
if they go to lgbtqia PLUS wtf.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Comma o six.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Months the letters that keep being added to and my
gay friends call it the alphabet, soup is, like these
are not all things that you can neatly tidally fit
in under one. Silo that they're very different within. Themselves in, fact,
LESBIANS i know a very fervent Pro trump lesbian who
defends me all the time on My facebook, Page but
(26:12):
there are lesbians Like Martina navratilova that Hate Donald. Trump
so you can't even put All they're not like one
size fits, All and it's so. Condescending it's so insulting to,
me to anybody that's of that, community and that word
bothers me to communism.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Community you can't just lump them.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
All together and say got that problem Taking, no they're
all disparate and very different within THE l and THE
g and THE b and then. Continue so the counterpoint
to that last texture, Here, ryan they Made october the
history month because kids are in. School they aren't in
school For Pride month In. June, okay But i'm With
(26:51):
Morgan freeman on this. One just be proud all the.
Time you're, gay it's, great that's your, flavor that's.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Awesome i'm.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
STRAIGHT i don't go around parroting that all the, time
nor DO i need a month for. It and then
this question is we go to Break. Aaron i'll let
you handle. It what happened to separation of church and?
State that's the argument from the.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Left, well so church and state was devised so that
the state didn't intervene in the church's, operations not the
other way. Around BUT i agree, again this is a
religion that's being forced on our. Children it does not
belong in the. Classroom and to the last person's, point
we don't need a whole month in the, Schools so
it doesn't belong in. Schools they're there to learn to
read and write and do math and. Science their parents
(27:31):
are the ones who should be handling these. Conversations it's
not the school's. Job and there should not be a
whole month dedicated to celebrating children's, sexuality and think.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
About the relief the pressure this would take off of
teachers in.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Schools it's not our, issues not our thing to deal.
With it's the, parents and they can handle.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
It and they're the ones raising the, kids paying for the,
kids feeding the, kids sheltering the, kids clothing the. Kids
we're not doing any of, that but they don't have
ENOUGH i don't, know self awareness to set aside the
pride and, go you, know we're not the.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Parents we're here to. Teach that's. It that's. It that's
all you need to.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Do don't need to go crossing these lines into parenthood
when you're not a, parent not of that, child not.
Ever The timeout will wrap it all up With Aaron,
lee fortunate to be joined by her live in studio,
Today Protect Kids. Colorado Ryan Shuling live wraps up after, This,
hey because all of my guests were live in, studio
(28:24):
Including Aaron, Lee Protect Kids colorado joining me for the full,
Hour Michael rappaport hour. One if you missed, It Christian
toto was. Here make sure to check it, out, subscribe,
download listen to The Ryan Shirling live podcast on your
favorite podcast platform text at five seven seven three, Nine,
ryan why is it ALWAYS. Lgbtq why can't it BE?
Glbtq and IF l is g then why do we
(28:48):
need to?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Know and why not JUST?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Gbdq and SINCE b is for bisexual AND t is for,
trans why not combine THE lng INTO h for? Homosexual
that would be Hbt just trying to simplify. THINGS i
think you what the other way on that, One? Texter
what's a point? Taken and Now i'm thinking of LIKE
bbq maybe maybe against SOME gq From Jason, gannall good, Place,
(29:14):
aaron final thoughts.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
HERE i know you've got a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Of illegal balls in the air that you're juggling here
with the case that we talked about that's currently be
considered by The Supreme court as to whether or not
they'll take it, up so it's in.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Process what is the other?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
One?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Right just in response to that, TEXT i saw the
best thing online and it was doesn't bisexual prove that
there's only two?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Sexes like disprove THE?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Tq.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Anyways, yeah so we're, waiting, well hopefully here On monday or,
else you, know sometime this month about our personal Lawsuit
lea Versus, pooter but we Also Protectives colorado was one
of the first, organizations along WITH cpan and Ju No
harm And, defending ed to file lawsuit against thirteen, twelve
which is arguably the worst law that's ever been passed
anywhere in any state that mandates you must call him
(30:00):
man a woman and you must trans your children or
the state will take, them label that course of control
and take them away from. You so we filed the
first federal lawsuit against that that's. ONGOING i hope that
we'll overturn. It but there's so many LAWS i will
even have time to list them all that have mandated, teachers, counselors, therapists.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Doctors the people who write death.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Certificates this year they pass twenty Five tosh eleven oh
nine that you have to trans people in death on
the death certificates or else face. Penalty SO i hope
overturn thirteen. Twelve what's unfortunate is we have to wait
four to six years through the litigation process to get
all the way to The Supreme, court and people are,
harmed actual people are harmed.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Process so Protect Kids colorado dot.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Org that's the website where people can go and we
know you can always use help and support and these,
cases all the work that you're doing statewide and nationwide
errand so how can people help.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Most, yes right now we have the three ballot measures
protecting girl, sports prohibiting irreversible sex change, surgeries and punishing
child sex. Traffickers and so we need signatures one hundred.
Thousand we need. Volunteers anyone in the state Of colorado.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Can carry a.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Petition it's as easy as just taking it to your
friends and, family or your church group or the ball
field of anyone who knows twenty to forty.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
People you can be a.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Petition circulator and do a little bit because it's so
easy to fill hopeless with all of these insane radical
laws that we have to, undo we can undo. It
we all are just going to have to do a little,
bit and these petitions are how to do, that and
it's to protect.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Kids colorado dot.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Org you, know it's interesting that parallels in my conversation
With Michael, rappaport a, comedian and with, you because you
both came FROM i would say the left you said
you were early left is A democrat liberal at one,
point and now your eyes have been opened And it's
just striking to me how similar the two of you
have been on that.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Journey, well they messed with my kid And Mama bear's. Coming,
yeah that was a rude, awakening AND i have definitely
turned to the. Right but ONCE i started paying attention
to all these laws and the culture of what's, happening
and have met so many affected, families there's no WAY
i could.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Ever go back to the.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Left, now what's, Next, well hopefully passing these ballot. MEASURES
i hope that we. GET i hope we get on the,
ballot and when we, DO i know they will. Pass
these are eighty twenty issues AND i do believe that
will start to topple the dominoes here In colorado really.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Quick the lawsuit that's before The Supreme court The United,
states when will you know if they'll take?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
It Potentially, monday BUT i think we'll know By.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
November monday Or november at the.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Latest so we'll keep tabs on that and whenever you
have a determination, There aaron will have.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You back on to talk about.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Awesome thank you for being, here thanks for having, me and.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Thanks To John caldera for canceling that allowed her to
be here. Today So john Keldera Independence. Institute thank, You,
Sir Aaron. Lee it's Protect kidscolorado dot. Org I'm Ryan.
Shuling that's all for me from here for, Now I'm
Ryan Schuling live
And I believe we have the special guests.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Joining us this evening to speak to LGBTQIA Plus History
Month is Aaron Knoblik, Rocky Mountain High School teacher and
GSA sponsor.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome, Aaron. I'm really glad you're here. Hello.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
These moments of recognition are important for a number of reasons.
You see, when I teach about these various celebrations, whether
LGBTQ High Plus History or Black History Month, I think
of them as birthday parties. Sure, we should be recognizing
people every single day, and hopefully that's happening to a degree. However,
isn't it just spectacular whenever we can stop and just
celebrate who you are and celebrate who we are. LGBTQ
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Iaplus History Month is a way to honor the past
while speak into the future. We see people within these
contexts we help create and preserve a sense of belonging.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Speaking of future generations.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
While we didn't feel it safe to bring students up here,
I asked our local Rocky Mountain High School GSA this question,
what do you want the school board to know about
how this resolution impacts you or makes you feel?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Okay, that's from the Pudder School District.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And there's one person that we turned to in times
like these, It's Aaron Lee and she's here and she
joins us as the founder of Protect Kids Colorado. And
why you just heard I'll break it down from the
top here on Ryan Schuling Live was Aaron Knobloch, Rocky
Mountain High School teacher.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And what did he say? What was this part right here?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Right here speaking of future generations? While we didn't feel
safe to bring students up here? Why not didn't feel safe?
You're at a school board meeting.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
There has never been a safer time, nor would there
be a safer venue for any student that identified as lgbt.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Q I A plus, what about the two s left?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
The two s out? What about the two s's? That's
the exchange. The Senator Josh Holly had the.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Two spirit like, what is it? What is it? Tell
me what it is? I don't know what it is?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The Q part that Charlie Kirk had a conversation about
that because he was right in our youth. There was
a game on a play that I don't feel comfortable saying,
but it involved the word that the Q is queer.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Isn't that a slur. Isn't it an insult? No, we're
taking the word back. What does it mean? Well, you're queer?
What does that mean? What is a woman?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
That's another question that they have a difficult time answering.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
But hold on here.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, I'm getting confused because now we're telling we're being
told that this October. I guess right, lgbt QIA plus
History month. But wasn't June Gay Pride Month? How many months?
That's one sixth of the calendar? Should there be more?
And remember the famous exchange to Morgan Freeman and Mike Wallace,
(02:37):
And maybe I'll dig that up while Aaron's speaking because
it's classic and Mike Wallace is talking.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
About black history. I don't want Black History Month? Why not?
It's American history. Black history is American history. Yes, he's right.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You remember Morgan Freeman from the movie Glory, great movie
that should be required viewing in schools. But here to
break it all down for us is public and I
mean number one I've been told in the Pooter Public
School District. She currently has a lawsuit pending before the
Supreme Court of the United States. The aforementioned Aaron Lee
aerin Thank You So much for being.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
With me today.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Hey, Ryan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's the first time that I've seen you in person.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yes, I'm glad this's worked out.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
This did work out, and I love today's show because
both of my guests were able to join me live
in studios. So you saw this as well as I did.
Posted by libs of TikTok and shia Echeck. What was
your reaction to what you heard?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I watched it in lifetime, and I after I watched
Pooter school district board meetings, I feel like I need
to do twelve Hail Mary's and do a juice cleanse
because they're just evil. It's nonsense, and almost you said
the same thing I was thinking. It almost feels like
an SNL skit back when SML was funny, except it's
real life. And I know it's real life because they've
applied this ideology to my child and to dozens of
(03:49):
others whom I've had to help through the destruction that
they've caused to these kids and to our families.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Now, when I brought up that part about this teacher
and two points here for Aaron Nablock, He's a teacher
in Rocky Mountain high school. But two things he had
prepared remarks that were in down.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Speak from the heart, speak what you know, Speak with
your own voice, maybe have a couple bullet points down,
but you don't want to read from a script.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
He did that, and then also just a million miles
an hour.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Got to slow down, gotta breathe got to inhale, got
to exhale. Then deliver the message that you're wanting to deliver.
But the part where he says it's not safe for
students to speak. When I brought that to your attention,
you said that may have something to do with you.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, historically they've brought actual gender confused children, typically girls
who believe they're boys, who have these testosterone voices. They
parade these children who've been medicalized up at the podium
to vilify parents and talk about how great it is
that they're allowed to take testosterone as miners. And I
have exposed that, and so I assume that's a job
at me making them all feel unsafe.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
For all the do is expose their words and their
own words.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
They do it.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I expose it. There's really nothing to be afraid of.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Don't do it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
That's what libs of TikTok has done and caught so
much heat for, you know, exposing these TikTok videos that
liberals shoot for people to see.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You put it out there. It's into the universe, it's
into the ether.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
But then when it reaches the sunlight, the light of
day and the mainstream, not.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
All of a sudden they don't want it out there.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Why not? Well, they do it at every single board meeting.
So you talked about this as LGBTQ History Month, There's
Pride Month, there's Coming Out Week, there's trans Day of Visibility.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
It feels like every week.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Every school board meeting they have another LGBTQ proclamation in
order to make sure people know we're still. We're still
this is the primary tenet of our school district.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It's almost like they're a religious.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Institution and gender ideology is their religion, and so they're
forcing it on us.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I am so glad Aaron Lee brought that up, because
this is the point I've been making in that they
in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination, they don't want Christianity,
religion as is traditionally known, conflated with the issues of
the state in a school separation a church state.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But you just nailed it. That is their religion.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
This ideology is an ethos, it's a belief system, it's
a value system. It is no different than a religion.
And for those that are atheistic and secular, it very
well is their religion. And what they are presenting in
a classroom not.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Just a religion, but a religious cult. They operate as
a cult does where we separate from you, from your family,
and our way is the only way you're allowed to think.
And it's very much a cult. Again, I know because
I rescued my daughter from the cult that they dragged
her into.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Aaronly, our guests just kind of the cliff notes version
of that, because I always have new listeners that may
be hearing you for the first time, Aaron. But where
I'll start and kind of let you catapult off of
is this notion of deception you just touched on. It
was presented as an art club. It was not an
art club. It was an LGBTQ and doctrination club. And
(06:55):
if that's such a good thing, if that's such a wondrous,
positive thing for kids, just rolling out there and said
this is what it is and come attend.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Why not, right, it's a double whammy with my family.
They deceived my daughter. They actually lured her in under
the false pretense that she was attending in art club,
my barely twelve year old daughter, turned out to be
a gender and sexuality club where there were outside NGOs
in the classroom who were telling the kids things like,
if you're not completely comfortable in your body, that means
you're trans and what twelve year old girl is completely
(07:22):
comfortable in her body and of course she adopted that.
And if you don't know who you're sexually attracted to,
that means you're queer.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Again, she's twelve.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
She had never thought about it before, so and they
did it intentionally in secret. They called it a confidential club.
And here's the real kicker is when we pressed him
on it, they said, well, we have to provide a
safe space for students, so a safe space from their parents.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And if you look at the video on Lives of
TikTok of that teacher from Rocky Mountain High School, his
shirt says safe space. He's wearing a child mutilation flag
pin that pink and blue and white flag and his
shirt says safe space. And you know, I maintain that
an adult cannot self identify as a trusted adult or
a safe space to someone else's children.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
They don't get to make that determination.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And we continue to see predators come out of this
district who have sexually abused kids, who have raped children,
who have physically abused children. Well, that's what happens when
you have bred this environment of everyone safe and we
keep secrets from parents.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
There was a democratic lawmaker. You're just triggering this memory
for me that had on her website that she cared
about our children. She did not have any children of
her own. And a lot of times these are I'm
just going to say it, they are childless, atheistic, secular
women and men, both genders, but in this particular case,
it was a woman and this co opting of a
(08:39):
parent's role. When I was growing up, I'm a little
a lot older than you, Aaron, but when I was
brought up in the eighties, you know, just think stranger things.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Those kids.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I was a little bit younger than them. I was
like Erica, the younger sister. I was like her age.
I would have been hanging out with her in that grade.
It's a great show if you haven't seen it, and
then the new season, the final season is supposed to
come out like now ish.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But anyway, they had.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Things called like the PTO or the PTA, the Parents
Teacher Organization or the Parent Teacher Association, and parents and
teachers would get together and they talk about the welfare
of the kids, and they would compare notes and they
would kind of kinund of what do the parents want
or what do the teachers want. Now it's like the
battle lines have been drawn and who gets to influence
and control the kids?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And what you just.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Said really rubs me the wrong way in that children
needing a safe space from their parents. Now, you're always
going to allow for the caveat that if if a
parent is abusing a child, if the child is in
legitimate danger, then yeah, social services comes out and then
maybe you take the kids away. But we're at a
point now, Aaron, where in Colorado, if you don't affirm
(09:44):
the gender identity of your child, they want to take
your kid away from you. Right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They defined it as coercive control or abuse. And again
these laws are coming from childless people who have no right.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
In mandating how we can parent our kids.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I want to get to this Morgan Freeman clip because
it applies with this again. You're making a month, you're
making a day. You're shouting from the hilltops. It's not unsafe.
It's not unsafe in today's day and age.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
For a kid. I remember, so I was in class
of ninety two.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
There was a young man that was class in ninety
one who's obviously gay, but he didn't come out because
that was going to be uncomfortable for him. Lord knows
you can come out now and you're fine. And nobody
says anything, including conservatives. Conservatives aren't trying to chase gay
people away or pray the gay away.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That's not a thing anymore. Black History months, you find ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
What you're gonna relegate my history to a month? Oh cool, Well,
what do you do with yours? Which month's life is
for a month?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Come on? Tell me?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I'm Jewish? Okay? Which month is Jewish History month? There
isn't one? Oh oh why not?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You want one? No?
Speaker 6 (10:56):
No, no, I don't either. I don't want a blackest
at mouth. Blackst is American history, that's right. How we're
going to get rid of racism.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And stop talking about it.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I'm gonna stop calling you a white man, and I'm
going to ask you to stop calling me a black man.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as
Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Morgan Freeman could read the contents of a soup can
and I would be enthralled.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I would be absolutely locked in.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But what he says there, that is when true equality happens.
For instance, in SNL to use that example, and in
stand up comedy Dave Chappelle Netflix special, he makes a
joke about a trans friend of his that was a comedian,
and you could tell that Dave Chappelle had compassion, empathy
for this person, wanted to have this person be accepted
(11:53):
for who this person was, and in so doing, including
a trans person in a joke.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Levels the laying field. The left will say that's punching down.
No it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
You are infantalizing that person. You are making them a
subcategory of human. You can't pick on them, they're a
protected class. No, true equality is what Morgan Freeman just said.
We're all Americans. I happen to be black, you happen
to be white. I'm going to ask that you stop
calling me. And then when it comes to any shade
(12:23):
of LGBTQ whatever. They're a child first, and then you
can be friends with a person that's different from you.
And that's what we should be learning in these schools,
not Aaron, in my opinion, focusing on those differences and
rubbing our noses in it, but rather focusing on what
makes us all the same?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
What do we all agree on? What can we all
do together?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
No, you're totally right.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And this seven person board, all they do is virtue
signal and you listen to the clip again, they say
that we want to celebrate every day these children's sexuality,
which really they sound like predators.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
That's not something that normal adults should be saying about
all the people's children especially, but they tried. It's an
everyday thing that there. Again, their primary objective is to
promote LGBTQ in the classroom, and learning becomes secondary to
their ideology.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Apparently joining us since she has a suit, a case
currently before the Supreme Court of the United States, So
why we have a moment, Aaron, if you could just
update us on that the status of the case, what
the case is, and it evolves the Pwter School District.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yes, so we are in It happened back in twenty
twenty one. We went public in twenty twenty two and
found out that there were so many other parents like
us who didn't know because the rule of this, you know,
quote unquote art club, which was actually gender and Sexuality club,
is don't tell your parents.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
It's what you hear, and hear keep in here.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And it wasn't until we went public that all these
other families started asking questions and piecing things together and realizing,
oh my gosh, this happened to me too. And we
learned this as an incredibly ubiquitous problem. There's so many
people who's been affected by it, and so we filed
this lawsuit Lee versus Pooter. It's case twenty five Dash
eighty nine on the Supreme Court docket, and we went
(14:04):
before conference on Monday and they I'm sorry last Friday,
and they put out an order list on Monday and
we weren't on it, which is a good thing. We
weren't dismissed and are still in the game. It appears
they've kicked the can down the road. We'll be back
at conference tomorrow. On October tenth, which means they'll have
the opportunity to review the case again. They might continue
(14:24):
to kick the can down the road, and again it's
a good sign. It means that they're taking their time,
they're reviewing it carefully. They want to compare it to
the other cases like it. There are so many lawsuits
of these secret school transitions, of secret programming, of lack
of school transparency, of pushing LGBTQ on the children, and
so they're going to have to compare and contrast what
cases will best close all the loopholes for the lower court.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Shes Aaron Lee, and another case that was before the
Supreme Court this week was Chiles v.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Salazar.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Colorado could be headed for its third recent loss before
the Supreme Court on similar cases involving free speech and
really just liberty. The Masterpiece cake Shop case, the baker
who didn't want to make custom cakes for same sex weddings,
three ZHO three creative website designer who didn't want to
make wedding websites for same sex couples, and now this
free speech challenge to Colorado's conversion therapy ban.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
There's that slippery slope term to conversion therapy. Now, as
I mentioned earlier. What that used to be known as
is pray the gay away. You're gay, We're going to
make you not gay, you're gay, We're going to make
you straight. And in this case they're saying that conversion therapy.
This is a real twist on logic here. Erin is
where a child has gender dysphoria, believes he or she
(15:36):
is the opposite gender, and it would be conversion therapy
to deny that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Am I right?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
That's right, that's how they're framing it.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I mean, this is such an example of how TQ
plus has ridden in on the trojan horse of LGB.
Yes that it's unfortunate that the two are conflated. I
don't think anyone wants people to be sent into a
situation where they're told they can pray their gay away.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Most people don't support that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
But what's so funny is they had a circular argument,
and first of all, we won. We won the argument
at the Supreme Court. I'd be surprised if it's not
a nine to zero eight at this point. Really, I
know we won, But they had a circular argument and
also had no argument at all, and at one point
the other side, the attorney General's representative said something to
the effect of, you know, the damage has caused when
(16:18):
you take this inate quality and try to change it,
and the child tries to They try and try and try,
and they become alienated from their family and they can't
change that innate quality. And I'm over here on my
couch going, yes, that's exactly right. Because when you tell
a child they've been born in the wrong body and
they seek to change it, and they try and try
and try, and they become alienated from their families. Yeah,
(16:39):
that does cause suicidal ideation. That does cause depression. Again,
I know because my daughter went through it. You can't
change your sex. It's impossible, and it's insane that we
label it conversion therapy to try to help a kid
be comfortable in their body and in their biological sex.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
If conversion therapy and the way you and I are
going to turn this means to convert to trans a
child from their original born as gender sex to the
other one, that should be one hundred percent effective. If
it's such a good thing, there would be no d transitioners,
there would be nobody expressing regret. And we know there
are many young people who express tremendous regret because the
(17:18):
damage is permanent and you are a lifelong patient dependent
on hormones, drugs, everything else to.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Maintain the illusion of the gender that you've become.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Right, this detransreddit is up to over eighty thousand members.
Now people backtracked and said, no, I was wrong, I
did the wrong thing, and they actually cited these statistics
at the child's argument that over ninety percent of the time,
if you socially transition a child, that is to change
their name and pronouns and push them into the idea
that they've been born in the wrong body, over ninety
percent of the time they move on to medicalization. But
(17:48):
studies show that if you just leave them alone, leave
them alone and let them grow up and grow out
of it, like my daughter did. Get comfortable in your body,
realize there's no wrong way to be a girl. I
don't have to fit in with what the other girls
are doing, over ninety percent of the time they just
outgrow it. So they're literally forcing kids down this path
of chemical and surgical mutilation. It starts with talk therapy
and it ends with chopping off healthy body parts. Over
(18:10):
ninety percent of the time that talk.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Therapy was the central issue of Chiles v. Salazar.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
When we come back, we'll have Phil Weiser, the Attorney
General's comments on it his staff presenting before the Supreme
Court of the United States. Aaron Lee are a guest
confident it could be nine to nothing. I think it'll
be at least six' three and somewhere in that neighborhood
in favor of, therapists, who, again through advice given by
word First, amendment can tell a child whether or not
(18:38):
that transitioning is a good idea or maybe it's. Not
but you're at this point In, colorado you're not allowed
to say maybe it's. Not more With Aaron lee still
to come On Ryan Schuling, Life.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
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for writing the lightning with. Me but Here's Phil. Wiser
it's the law.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
In colorado hostile to religious. Conservatives not at. All colorado's
law has an.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Exemption if what you're engaged in is religious guidance, ministry
the law doesn't apply to. You the law applies to
people who are professionals who get a license from the
state and who have an obligation to provide a standard
of care that's. Legitimate The supreme court may reach to
get to some result, here but it's to my, mind
a dangerous move because it's knock grounded in, facts and
(20:31):
it would open up This pandora's, box allowing people to
Say i'm going to practice whatever type of MEDICINE i
want Because i've got Some First amendment interest in doing.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So let's see What Aaron, lee Thanks Protect Kids. Colorado
your response to what The Attorney General Phil wiser said, There,
well the.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Law's hostile to, reality, truth sanity protecting children from having
their body parts. Mutilated and, yeah let's throw conservatives And
christians in there, too because the majority of the parents
who dis sent to having their kids sit down the
path of mutilation are conservative And, christian myself being one of.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Them, look let me just TAKE i don't feel this
way Because i'm right with you and everybody else that's
fighting against.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
THIS i don't want kids. HARMED i don't want them chopped.
UP i don't want them on. HORMONES i don't want
their puberties blocked. Them you wouldn't do this to. Animals
you wouldn't do this to a litter of. Puppies you
wouldn't do this to a little of.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Kittens you. Wouldn't why would if you wouldn't do it
to your, pet why would you do it to your?
Child what's their?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Identity you know they could do whatever they. Want they
can keep their body parts. Intact, though why do we
jump to that? Square even If i'm a moderate on
this issue here And i'm, not admittedly a therapist is
sitting now talking to a child with. Genderness for, you
what is not in line with science medicine that would, say,
(21:50):
okay here are your. Options one of them is we
can put you on the track to. Transition we can
chop off your body, parts put you on puberty.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Blockers we can pump you full of, hormones you be
on them for the rest of your. Life you can do.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
That but on the other, hand maybe you're not the opposite.
Gender this is the other path that's. Possible we talked through.
It you determine that maybe you're gay and that's okay
because body parts don't come off when you're. Gay you're just,
gay or, maybe like you, say you grow through, it
you grow out of. It it is a phase that
you went. Through you were, confused you were, young you
were going through. Puberty of, course all of us do.
(22:23):
That all of us are. Confused why is it that
the hard Left Phil, wiser every Other democrat in the
state Of.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Colorado, no, no, no, no you can't present that.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Option it's it's fast tracked to chop it off body
parts or.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Bust i'm still trying to figure out why my Friend
Kyle clark didn't have me on a program to give
the other side of the. Coin Only, PHIL, ABC cbs
AND pbs had me on with an opposing. View we've
been legislated to death with gender. Ideology just Watching Megan
kelly yesterday and she was highlighting How colorado was the
most insane radical state for gender ideological, laws unconstitutional laws that.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Have been forced on.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Us is now the third time we find ourselves at
The Supreme court striking down an unconstitutional law that is
based in PUSHING lgbtq on, citizens forcing our, speech forcing
our daily. Lives we're the laughingstock of the entire country
because so many radical laws have been passed that force
how we view and act in response to lgbt TOW
(23:23):
qq plus really to gender.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Ideology, well and we know that because you, Know i'm
very good friends with the Log Cabin republicans here in
the state Of, Colorado gays Against groomers who were president
at The Jeffco Kids first gala THAT i spoke, at
and these are LGBs for the most. Part But i'm
going to say there are teas that are, like you,
KNOW i made that choice for myself as an, adult
BUT i don't want that forced on. Kids in, fact
(23:46):
one is a listener to this program WHO i value very,
highly but that kids are a, separate distinct category that
we need to handle with.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Care and thankfully there.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Are people Like Archie, letter like the Log, Cabin republicans
Like gaye Against crumers that have the exact same stance
on this as you OR i. Do.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well it's funny that the conversion therapy is the term
that's in play, here BECAUSE i believe that telling an
infeminate boy or a masculine girl that they were actually
born in the wrong body and it's not okay to
be attracted to the same sex is conversion. Therapy you're
doing the, thing you're harming the people that you purport
to be. Helping it's not conversion. Therapy it's just telling
the kids reality that it's.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
OKAY i have interviewed a trans person who came on
this program who was a mutual follow on X asian and,
background a biological male who became female but regretted, it
and you, know.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Once it's, done can't be.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Undone we know what we're talking about, here but realized
through intense therapy counseling that a lot of what fuels
this is an internalized, homophobia meaning there's a lot of
self loathing going.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
UP i don't want to be a gay.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Person, therefore IF i transition to the opposite, SEC i
would then be a straight heterosexual. Person that seems to
be kind of the mindset focus for somebody that's going
through that a lot of.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Times, Right AND i go back to The Pewter School
district board where you have seven heterosexual board members who
are pushing this ideology on, children and it is deeply. Homophobic,
yes she tell, kids if you're a feminate, male you're
actually born on the wrong body and you could be a.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Girl maybe you're just.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Gay there's A Family guy episode in Which quagmire's dad
decides that he's going to become a, woman and What quagmire,
says it's really.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Funny oh, yeah just be. Gay that's like he can handle.
That quagmire can handle. That that was an episode that's
like twenty years.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
AGO i want to, say but five, seven, seven three
nine some texts here before we go to Break. Ryan
so lgbtqia plus now wants two. Months what would happen
if they go to lgbtqia PLUS wtf.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Comma o six.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Months the letters that keep being added to and my
gay friends call it the alphabet, soup is, like these
are not all things that you can neatly tidally fit
in under one. Silo that they're very different within. Themselves in, fact,
LESBIANS i know a very fervent Pro trump lesbian who
defends me all the time on My facebook, Page but
(26:12):
there are lesbians Like Martina navratilova that Hate Donald. Trump
so you can't even put All they're not like one
size fits, All and it's so. Condescending it's so insulting to,
me to anybody that's of that, community and that word
bothers me to communism.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Community you can't just lump them.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
All together and say got that problem Taking, no they're
all disparate and very different within THE l and THE
g and THE b and then. Continue so the counterpoint
to that last texture, Here, ryan they Made october the
history month because kids are in. School they aren't in
school For Pride month In. June, okay But i'm With
(26:51):
Morgan freeman on this. One just be proud all the.
Time you're, gay it's, great that's your, flavor that's.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Awesome i'm.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
STRAIGHT i don't go around parroting that all the, time
nor DO i need a month for. It and then
this question is we go to Break. Aaron i'll let
you handle. It what happened to separation of church and?
State that's the argument from the.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Left, well so church and state was devised so that
the state didn't intervene in the church's, operations not the
other way. Around BUT i agree, again this is a
religion that's being forced on our. Children it does not
belong in the. Classroom and to the last person's, point
we don't need a whole month in the, Schools so
it doesn't belong in. Schools they're there to learn to
read and write and do math and. Science their parents
(27:31):
are the ones who should be handling these. Conversations it's
not the school's. Job and there should not be a
whole month dedicated to celebrating children's, sexuality and think.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
About the relief the pressure this would take off of
teachers in.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Schools it's not our, issues not our thing to deal.
With it's the, parents and they can handle.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
It and they're the ones raising the, kids paying for the,
kids feeding the, kids sheltering the, kids clothing the. Kids
we're not doing any of, that but they don't have
ENOUGH i don't, know self awareness to set aside the
pride and, go you, know we're not the.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Parents we're here to. Teach that's. It that's. It that's
all you need to.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Do don't need to go crossing these lines into parenthood
when you're not a, parent not of that, child not.
Ever The timeout will wrap it all up With Aaron,
lee fortunate to be joined by her live in studio,
Today Protect Kids. Colorado Ryan Shuling live wraps up after, This,
hey because all of my guests were live in, studio
(28:24):
Including Aaron, Lee Protect Kids colorado joining me for the full,
Hour Michael rappaport hour. One if you missed, It Christian
toto was. Here make sure to check it, out, subscribe,
download listen to The Ryan Shirling live podcast on your
favorite podcast platform text at five seven seven three, Nine,
ryan why is it ALWAYS. Lgbtq why can't it BE?
Glbtq and IF l is g then why do we
(28:48):
need to?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Know and why not JUST?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Gbdq and SINCE b is for bisexual AND t is for,
trans why not combine THE lng INTO h for? Homosexual
that would be Hbt just trying to simplify. THINGS i
think you what the other way on that, One? Texter
what's a point? Taken and Now i'm thinking of LIKE
bbq maybe maybe against SOME gq From Jason, gannall good, Place,
(29:14):
aaron final thoughts.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
HERE i know you've got a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Of illegal balls in the air that you're juggling here
with the case that we talked about that's currently be
considered by The Supreme court as to whether or not
they'll take it, up so it's in.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Process what is the other?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
One?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Right just in response to that, TEXT i saw the
best thing online and it was doesn't bisexual prove that
there's only two?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Sexes like disprove THE?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Tq.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Anyways, yeah so we're, waiting, well hopefully here On monday or,
else you, know sometime this month about our personal Lawsuit
lea Versus, pooter but we Also Protectives colorado was one
of the first, organizations along WITH cpan and Ju No
harm And, defending ed to file lawsuit against thirteen, twelve
which is arguably the worst law that's ever been passed
anywhere in any state that mandates you must call him
(30:00):
man a woman and you must trans your children or
the state will take, them label that course of control
and take them away from. You so we filed the
first federal lawsuit against that that's. ONGOING i hope that
we'll overturn. It but there's so many LAWS i will
even have time to list them all that have mandated, teachers, counselors, therapists.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Doctors the people who write death.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Certificates this year they pass twenty Five tosh eleven oh
nine that you have to trans people in death on
the death certificates or else face. Penalty SO i hope
overturn thirteen. Twelve what's unfortunate is we have to wait
four to six years through the litigation process to get
all the way to The Supreme, court and people are,
harmed actual people are harmed.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Process so Protect Kids colorado dot.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Org that's the website where people can go and we
know you can always use help and support and these,
cases all the work that you're doing statewide and nationwide
errand so how can people help.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Most, yes right now we have the three ballot measures
protecting girl, sports prohibiting irreversible sex change, surgeries and punishing
child sex. Traffickers and so we need signatures one hundred.
Thousand we need. Volunteers anyone in the state Of colorado.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Can carry a.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Petition it's as easy as just taking it to your
friends and, family or your church group or the ball
field of anyone who knows twenty to forty.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
People you can be a.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Petition circulator and do a little bit because it's so
easy to fill hopeless with all of these insane radical
laws that we have to, undo we can undo. It
we all are just going to have to do a little,
bit and these petitions are how to do, that and
it's to protect.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Kids colorado dot.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Org you, know it's interesting that parallels in my conversation
With Michael, rappaport a, comedian and with, you because you
both came FROM i would say the left you said
you were early left is A democrat liberal at one,
point and now your eyes have been opened And it's
just striking to me how similar the two of you
have been on that.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Journey, well they messed with my kid And Mama bear's. Coming,
yeah that was a rude, awakening AND i have definitely
turned to the. Right but ONCE i started paying attention
to all these laws and the culture of what's, happening
and have met so many affected, families there's no WAY
i could.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Ever go back to the.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Left, now what's, Next, well hopefully passing these ballot. MEASURES
i hope that we. GET i hope we get on the,
ballot and when we, DO i know they will. Pass
these are eighty twenty issues AND i do believe that
will start to topple the dominoes here In colorado really.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Quick the lawsuit that's before The Supreme court The United,
states when will you know if they'll take?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
It Potentially, monday BUT i think we'll know By.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
November monday Or november at the.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Latest so we'll keep tabs on that and whenever you
have a determination, There aaron will have.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You back on to talk about.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Awesome thank you for being, here thanks for having, me and.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Thanks To John caldera for canceling that allowed her to
be here. Today So john Keldera Independence. Institute thank, You,
Sir Aaron. Lee it's Protect kidscolorado dot. Org I'm Ryan.
Shuling that's all for me from here for, Now I'm
Ryan Schuling live
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