July 22, 2025 • 33 mins
In the second hour of Ryan Schuiling Live, Ryan is joined by Gabe Evans, who defends his new illegal immigration bill proposal against Lauren Boebert's harsh critiques.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Love for this bill to not even come to the floor.
It might even be insulting if it does come to
the floor.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I argued my predecessor, Scott Tipton in the third District
on amnesty, and this is amnesty. You cannot come into
our country or be in our country illegally and then
be offered a passive citizenship or a permanent residence or
whatever that may be and not call it amnesty. This
(00:27):
is amnesty, and.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It is not something that I will support.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Maria Salazar has wanted amnesty legislation since she arrived in
Congress with me in our one and seventeenth Congress class, and.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
This is not something that I support.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I do understand gave Evan's position, and he can argue
that better than I ever could or would, because this
is not a bill that I support.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Representative Lauren Bobert earlier today here on KOA Ryan Schuling
filling in for Ross Kaminsky and joining us now the
aforementioned Congressman Gabe Evans. You can follow him on exit. Rep.
Gabe Evans. He is a co sponsor of the Dignity
Act along with Representative Maria Salazar from Florida, and he
joins us now to talk more about it. Gabe, thanks
(01:17):
for your time as always.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, of course, always enjoy being on with you.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Now. You don't disagree much or often with Representative Bobert,
your colleague here from Colorado, But do you disagree here?
What would you say to refute what she just said?
The characterization of this bill is an amnesty bill.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, it's absolutely not an amnesty bill and we'll go
through all of the data points here because we're the
party that likes to critically analyze things and make sure
that we're actually getting the policy right. But it's absolutely
not an amnesty bill. And actually, the two things we
got to talk about before we even get into the
bill is first and foremost border security. We've said all
along and we're in complete lockstep with this. I think
everybody's in lockstep with this. You can't even have this
(01:54):
conversation about work visa reform because that's what this is.
It's a work visa reform bill. Even have a conversation
about work visa reform until the border is secure. And
we've seen what's happened for the first six months under
the new administration. We saw what we did with the
big beautiful bill with a historically large amount of funding
for border security, for immigration and customs, for border patrol,
for the border wall. Illegal crossings are at effectively at
(02:17):
zero right now. We've never seen that before, and we
know this is the starting point that you can't have
any further conversation without the amazing border security that we've
seen in the last six months. The second thing is
this bill has been around actually for about five years,
So whenever we have conversations, we're going to make sure
that we're talking the current version of this Dignity Act,
(02:40):
because previous versions of it, which went by the same name,
were squishy before I got to Congress. But you know,
this third draft version of it that's been reintroduced for
twenty twenty five, we ripped a lot. We ripped the
squishy stuff out of this bill. So here's what the
bill actually does. This bill does not have a path
(03:02):
to citizenship the end for anybody. The end this bill
enshrines in federal law, so not in the executive orders
that we've seen. This puts in federal law a permanent
bar to any federal benefits for people that are either
illegally present in the country or are on these different
types of work visas. This bill mandates national employer use
(03:24):
of EVERIFY, so that's the system to make sure that
you're not hiring illegal immigrants. It actually enthrines into federal
law the President's self depretation Order. If you do not
have legal status, again not under executive order. In this bill,
you either self deporter, we kick you out of the country.
So this is directly aimed at what we've said all along.
We don't want criminals, we don't want freeloaders, we don't
want cartels, we don't want gang member, gang bangers or
(03:46):
gang members. We don't want any of those people in
the United States. And this is actually putting that stuff
into federal law, along with the resources to be able
to get them out and to get them out of
an expedited manner. What this bill also does we've talked
a lot about in the illegal immigration space, how when
Biden threw the borders open and you had this mass
(04:08):
human wave influx of people, those illegal immigrants cut people
in line that had been working to try to do
it the right way. To come to the United States.
They were on a work visa, they were on some
sort of program to legally have the status to work
in the United States again pre Biden under Trump won, Well,
what happened when the border got thrown open is those
people who had legal status oftentimes couldn't even get their
(04:31):
work visa, their permit, their whatever their authorization was renewed.
And so then they had a choice to face. Do
they leave their employer, do they go back home because
they got cut in line by all of the illegal
immigrants under Biden that were freeloading and trying to take
these benefits, or do they keep working their job. Some
of them chose, you know a lot, I'm going to
keep working my job. And so that's where this bill
(04:54):
comes in. If somebody falls into a category like that,
they have to pay any back tax for ten years,
any back taxes. To enter into this program, they got
to pay a seven thousand dollars fine. So when we
talk amnesty, to me, amnesty means path for citizenship and
you don't pay up what you owe the American people.
But for any crime that you commit, we typically have
(05:16):
a fine schedule. You pay your fine.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
This has a.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Seven thousand dollars fine. Additionally, it has a one percent
annual garnishment on their lawful wage in the United States
to go pay for a program to do workforce development
for American taxpayers. It's a seven seventy billion dollar program
(05:40):
funded for American taxpayer workforce development by people under this visa.
It doesn't cost anything to the American people because that's
seven thousand dollars fine pays for it. And then again
it enshrines a ton of very very tough border protection
and anti legal immigrant for lack of a better word,
Paul Is, he's into law like the self importation mandate.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Representative Gabe Evans with a thorough explanation. They're representing the
eighth Congressional district here in Colorado and evenly divided district. Gabe,
I know that you are a descendant from immigrants in
this country and they have made a wonderful story for themselves,
and you have done that as well and carried on
that legacy. I know you're very proud of that legacy.
And I am the son of an immigrant myself. Where
(06:25):
I think people are struggling a little bit maybe is
in some of the language right here. Let me just
focus in on this particular group of people, and this
is from Maria Salazar, who you co sponsored the bill
with provide an earned opportunity for long term immigrants to
stay here and work. Now, should we read into that
long term illegal immigrants? Because I hear this and it
(06:45):
doesn't really set well with me that the longer they've
been here illegally somehow that's better in my mind. In
many ways, that's worse. That means they've had more time
to have that adjudicated, to seek some remedies, to come
forward and say, hey, look, I want to be here legally.
How do I do that? So, how would you explain
that particular line about long term illegal immigrants who maybe
haven't violated any other laws, have lived here peacefully, maybe
(07:08):
worked on a job. What is your mindset and approach
to that group. Yeah, so two thoughts.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Number One, they're not getting a free pass to anything,
seven thousand dollars fine for doing that, one percent garnishment
of their wages to the tune of its estimated seventy
billion dollars to pay for American workforce development. But then
the second part here is a lot of these folks
are you know, they're in that childhood arrival space. They
(07:35):
were brought to the United States when they were three, four,
five years old you know, obviously had no agency in
that decision themselves. And again this is all stuff in
the past. We can talk about what should have happened,
but as we used to say in the army, you
got to play the hand your delt and the hand
we've been dealt is you've had a lot of these
childhood arrivals in the United States educated American taxpayer expense
(07:58):
didn't have any agency themselves. And so when you talk
about the long term folks in the United States, I
think in that particular comment, that's who is contemplated here.
And again there's no free path to anything. There's all
of the different account accountability measures that we talked about,
not because any of us think this is the best
(08:20):
scenario that we could have had. We just have to
play the hand that we've been dealt, given the last
four years of a broken excuse me, four decades of
they've broken immigration system.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Congressman Gabe Evans eighth Congressional District here in Colorado, and
he has brought forth this bill along with Representative Maria
Salazar from Florida, called the Dignity Act. Now, Gabe, the
numbers game here of getting this to the floor voted
on and passed and sent over to the Senate. It
appears there's bipartisan support to a degree, but like I said,
(08:50):
you're peeling off some Republicans. Representative Bobert is a no,
and I imagine there will be several other no's from
the Republican side other than the blanket kind of nomenclature
of am this and that's anathema to Republicans. We know
that you know that, and it is to you too,
I know. And then you're claiming this is not that
an amnesty bill, But what are the complaints, the pushbacks,
(09:10):
the specific criticisms you're getting from some of those members
of Congress, I imagine maybe from the Freedom Caucus, those
that might be further to the right that you would
like to rebut and have you been able to do
that with them in person and try to bring them
over to your side on this?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah? So the first part is really like we talked about,
this bill has been around for five years, and so
just basic version control, making sure that people understand we're
talking about the twenty twenty five bill, not the twenty
twenty three bill or the twenty twenty one bill, which
did have squishy stuff in it. If you go google
Dignity Act, you're going to get bad information from previous
versions of the bill. So that's the first thing in
(09:45):
this space is just to have that level setting conversation
about what we're actually talking about and what the bill
actually does or does not do. So, as we've said,
does include a seven thousand dollars fine, does include all
of these other on ability measures. Does include expedited removal
for anybody that doesn't isn't able to get legal status
(10:08):
in the United States. Does not include a pathway to citizenship.
Does not include any freebies, any handouts. Again, this has
a lifetime bar for anyone who's getting federal welfare. They
can't even enter the program they get deported. We don't
want free loaders, we don't want criminals. So that's the
first part of the conversation, and then the second part
(10:29):
of the conversation is, again, we got to play the
hand that we're dealt I wish that forty two percent
of the ag labor force agricultural labor force in the
United States. I wish forty two percent of them warrant
I legal immigrants. But the fact of the matter is
forty two percent of the ag labor force in the
United States are illegal immigrants. And so whenever we're talking
(10:49):
about make America great again, as the agricultural community likes
to say, food security is national security, we have to
at least be able to engage in the conversations about
I wish we weren't in this spot. There's a lot
of other things I wish we weren't in the spot of,
but this is the hand we're dealt. We got to
have the conversations about how to move forward. And so
that's the final thought I'll leave you with here is
(11:10):
the bill has merely been introduced. It hasn't gone through
committee yet, hasn't gone through the floor yet, hasn't gone
through the Senate yet, and so it's open for the conversations.
We know we got to get this right. We know
we've been dealt a bad hand by the last four
years excuse me for decades of bad immigration policy. But
now that we have the border secured, we have to
(11:30):
double down on that border security. We have to double
down on it through federal law and not just merely
executive order, so that the border stay's secured in perpetuity,
regardless of who's in the White House or who's in
control of Congress. With that done, and with the additional
help that this Dignity Act brings to that border security
and brings to that immigration enforcement space, we also have
(11:52):
to have the conversation round and what do we do with,
among many other things, the forty two percent of the
ag labor force that's herely gave you have time for
one more question, you got to go, well, my schedule
just changed up, so we can do one more.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Okay, And that comes to this, and I know you're
sensitive to this as well, especially for those residents that
reside in the eighth congressional district. We saw not long
ago a meat packaging plan I think it was in Nebraska,
South Dakota something like that that was busted. Had a
whole bunch of illegal immigrants working there for cut wages,
and those workers' rights were not being acknowledged whatsoever. And
the response from the owner of that meat packaging plant was,
(12:29):
we don't have a playbook for this. So there's this reliance,
Like you said, forty two percent of the egg industry,
meat packaging industry that relies on illegal immigrants. Karen Bass
has made this point as well. You can kind of
conflating illegal immigrants with legal immigrants. How would you approach
businesses that conduct themselves that way, that are looking for
cheap under the table wages to hire illegal workers and
(12:52):
encouraging that type of employee to cross the border illegally.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And so that's exactly what this bill does. This bill
crushed is that sort of bad behavior. Again, national mandate
for everify right now, that's an optional program that employers
get the choice of whether or not they're going to
do everify. This is a national mandate for everify. Every
single person in the United States will have to show
that they have the legal ability to work in the
(13:18):
United States, and the employer has to double down and
follow up on that, and they're subject to some pretty
hefty penalties if they skirt that law. The other thing
again that's in this bill is the self deportation mandate.
So in this bill, and again we're still you know,
we're still adjusting the dials, but we've got to have
the conversation. But in this bill as drafted, if you
(13:39):
don't have a legal work authorization in the United States,
you individually are under a federal mandate to self deport
We are putting that into federal law. This is not
an executive order that the next Democrat administration could overturn.
This is putting that into federal law. And combined with
(14:00):
the sixty seventy billion dollars whatever the precise number was
of funding that we put into immigration and Customs and
border patrol in the big beautiful Bill, we have the
teeth to be able to back that up so that
we can finally get that decisive and clear pathway forward
for employers and for folks in the United States, so
that they know that every single employee that they are
(14:23):
hiring either has lawful status to be able to work
in the United States, or the employer gets clawbered and
that individual gets clawbered for violating the federal mandate of
self deportation that's included in this piece of legislation.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You can hear why. He's a bright rising star in
the Republican Party here in Colorado and nationally representing the
eighth Congressional District in Colorado. He is a co sponsor
of the Dignity Act and he articulated it quite well
what it does and what it doesn't do. And we
thank you Representative Gabe Evans for joining us here today.
Good to be hon with you. So you've heard both
sides of the Representative Evans standing up for this bill
(14:59):
and Representative Lauren Bobert opposing it and Representative Chip Roy
saying that he opposes it, and I would imagine most
of the Freedom Caucus, if not all, will be voting
against it. Now. Well, Gabe Evans be able to peel
off maybe some moderate Democrats and get this over the
finish line that remains to be seen. But what I'm
really interested in hearing is your opinion of five seven
(15:21):
seven thirty nine. Do you feel this bill opens the
door to amnesty? Now, Representative Evans swears that's not the case,
that this is not a pathway to citizenship, that that
is not what is providing the bill, that it tightens
up security at the border, and also for employers as
you just heard, that might be looking to hire illegal
aliens at cut wages. That undermines American workers, That undermines
(15:45):
the illegal alien workers themselves, who if they came here
legally and became American citizens, they would be afforded those
rights and be able to live their lives outside of
the darkness of being illegal aliens. I mean this is
it's not only a stigma. That's just putting it mildly.
That's just a label. But this is a way of life.
(16:06):
Now think about it. You're a stranger in a strange land.
Maybe you don't speak the language, certainly it's not your
first language. And then you know that you are under
the spotlight of possible deportation. How can you live your
life that way? You want to come here legally, become
an American citizen, pledge allegiance to our flag and to
(16:26):
our values and to the Constitution of the United States.
That's where Lauren Bobert is, That's where I am, That's
where Gabe Evans is too, And where I come down
on this is I don't like nudging the door open
to anything remotely resembling amnesty. And Mandy Connell and I
had this conversation earlier. I was filling in for ros
Kamensky today and I know it's difficult, but you play
(16:49):
stupid games, you win stupid prizes. If you came here
illegally and you knew it, there's no pleading ignorance to that,
then you don't have a right to be here. And
when the jig is up, you gotta go, and that
might be inconvenient for you, But let me tell you something.
It's inconvenient for US American taxpayers who have to foot
the bill for medical bills for illegals that are not
(17:09):
contributing to the system, for Medicaid, for Social Security, for
Medicare benefits that should not be going to illegal aliens.
Something the Big Beautiful Bill addresses. If you are an
American citizen, then you are afforded all of those rights therein,
but you must become an American citizen. You can't have
your cake and eat it too. I'm not gonna be
an American city. I'm gonna do whatever I want. I'm
(17:30):
gonna cross the border illegal, I'm gonna hang around. I'm
gonna overstay a visa. No you're not. No, you're not
New Sheriff in Town, Donald Trump, Tom Holman, John Fabricatory.
Get out and then come back the right way. You
don't get to cut in line. If you're waiting at Disneyland,
you can get a fast pass. Those don't exist here.
Crossing the Mexican border, you can't get a fast pass
(17:52):
like you do at Disneyland or disney World, nor should you.
What makes you special. Everybody's got a sob story. Mandy
mentioned on her show, people are waiting you seven years.
That shouldn't be the case. Let's clean up the rules.
Let's get this process streamlined so that again people that
want to, under the light of day, become American citizens
wherever you're from, and you want to contribute to our
(18:13):
society and work hard to be an American taxpayer, then
therein lie the benefits. You don't get to just collect
the goodies and to come across the border and set
up shop and hold your hand out and get fat
and get clothed and get sheltered and provide nothing in return. No,
that's not a good deal. I reject the premise. Unfortunately,
(18:35):
Mayor Mike Johnson of Denver does not reject that premise.
And that makes us a sanctuary state in Colorado and
a sanctuary city in Denver, and that gives us the
problem that we have, and that gives us Denver a
two hundred and fifty million dollar budget deficit. You have
to have rules, you have to have laws, you have
to enforce them. You have to have a border, you
have to have a nation, you have to have a culture,
you have to have a language. And if you want
(18:56):
to be an American, the door is wide open, so
you've got to come through the front, not the back door.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Those papers they have a stone called and it was
President Obama.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
It wasn't lots of people all over the place. It
was them too. But the leader of the gang was.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
President Obama, Barack Hussein Obama.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Have you heard of him?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
And except for the fact that he gets shielded by
the press for his entire life, that's.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
The one they look. He's guilty. It is not a question,
you know, I like to say, let's give it time.
It's there. He's guilty.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
They this was treason. This was every word you can
think of. They tried to steal the election. They tried
to upf uscape the election. They did things that nobody's
ever even imagined, even in other countries what they did.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And of course I was President Trump back here and
Ryan showing live. What the Democrats did was not unlike
what they did in the wake of the two thousand election.
Those of you old enough to remember Bush v. Gore
the hanging Chad's in Florida, the swing county five hundred
odd votes decided the entire election. He have Florida flips
for Gore. He's the next president of the United States
(20:14):
after Bill Clinton. But the State Supreme Court ruled a
certain way. The United States Supreme Court ruled pretty much
along ideological lines. Now, you had the two in the
middle at that time, if you'll recall, were Sanderdale O'Connor
and Anthony Kennedy, and they were going to be the
swing votes, and they voted with the conservative majority, which
included Clarence Thomas and Antoninscalia at that time, and William Rehnquist,
(20:38):
the Chief Justice, who was far superior to John Roberts.
It's not even close. But anyway, by a five to
four decision, President Bush was inaugurated and al Gore conceded
and decided he needed to go home and mend some
fences in Tennessee. That's the other thing think about this.
Al Gore was a legacy in Tennessee. He was Albert
(21:00):
Gore Junior. His father, Albert Gore Sor was a long
time old school's Southern Democrat. And you know what that
means out of Tennessee, al Gore Sr. Did you know
Al Gore Junior the Vice President of the United States
for eight years under a very popular president, Bill Clinton,
(21:20):
but he was sidetracked by the Monica Lewinsky scandal. And
although he left office very popular personally with his approval rating,
al Gore left a lot to be desired from a
charisma standpoint. And Daryl Hammond did a spot on impersonation
of al Gore back then, And folks, I got some
really sweet news for you. Daryl Hammon's going to be
on this program tomorrow at three point thirty three. Any'ally
(21:43):
coming to comedy works out this week, And I'm really
excited about that interview. That being said, So you had
Darryl Hammond is al Gore on one side, and you
had Will Ferrell as George W. Bush on the other.
Strategy rever that sketch. That's good stuff. But what happened
and in the aftermath, Michael Moore and all these other
wackadoodle libs they were calling him? Do you remember what
(22:04):
they called him? Kelly? Do you remember they called w Zach?
You're exampt you were not alive. I'm fairly alive right now.
I don't know what the hell just happened to me. Okay,
let's put you on pause. Then that's crazy and wild
be good. They called George W. Bush the selected president
rather than the elected president, and they never granted him
any kind of validation. Legitimacy was the keyword there too,
(22:28):
from the time he was inaugurated in January it was February,
I think, because Gore was contesting and he was going
through the courts, that was his right, Gor Leiberman. They
did that, and I don't necessarily begrudge them. That was
a very close election. It's very tough to lose an
election that closely, so I get it. So w sworn
in like February of two thousand and one. Do we
know what happened seven months later? Yeah, nine to eleven.
(22:52):
From that point, I would say between September twelfth, two
thousand and one and the beginning of the war in
a Rack in two thousand and three, no president has
enjoyed more support universal unilateral, including for the Democrats Tom Dashel, folks.
If you recall that time, that's as united as I
ever remember us being in my lifetime. Now I can
(23:15):
imagine how it was during World War Two, but that
predates my own father, let alone me. We were united
in two thousand and one. In two thousand and two,
hunting down al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, trying
to find Osama bin Lad. That should have been the focus.
Had that been the laser focus, George W. Bush would
have walked away. Two thousand and four would have looked
(23:35):
like nineteen eighty four in W's reelection bid as Reagan
pommeled Bondale back then. But we got entrenched in this
war in Iraq and it was not popular, and John
Carey campaigned on that, and W one won the popular
vote and won the electoral vote, but it was by
a rather narrow margin. I remember the next day, that
Wednesday after election Day two thousand and four, at rush
(23:59):
Limb comes on the air and he lets the song
play out. The whole thing by the pretenders. My city
was gone because it's about a city in Ohio. And
had Carrie flipped Ohio, he wins the election and the
Democrats you talk about election deniers, folks I just mentioned
two thousand they were denying it. Then the selected president,
(24:21):
this scot has decided it not a real president, not legitimate.
In two thousand and four, these same Democrats took to
the House floor and they were contesting the electoral votes
in North Carolina, in Florida, in Ohio, and several other
states trying to overturn the results of the election. I
remember I was there. I'm old enough I watched it.
(24:42):
So spare me with this whole election denial stuff that
it only happens in one direction. The last time Democrats
accepted the results of a presidential election that favored the
Republicans was nineteen eighty eight, when Herbert Walker Bush defeated Ducaucus.
That is the last time there was no reprisal from
(25:04):
Democrats against Republicans. Because now we flash forward to twenty
sixteen and what happened then and there On Inauguration Day,
Washington Post headline, how the impeachment of Donald Trump begins
on paraphrasing the headline, but not by much. They couldn't
believe that he pulled the upset of the century. Hillary
Clinton was like a ninety nine percent favorite embedding Odds,
(25:25):
New York Times and otherwise five point thirty eight whatever
to win the election. Yet she lost. She won the
popular vote. That's not how we decide presidential elections in
this country. We decided by the electoral college, and Trump won.
Trump swept the industrial rust belt of the Upper Midwest, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa.
(25:47):
She didn't win nary a state of those five. And
what happened then? What happened? Then it went all the
way to the top. Now, I don't know if we're
not going to see Barack Obama purp walk, So don't
get your fever dreams up too high. But if the
roles were reversed, do you not believe that the Democrats
would be pursuing to the ends of the earth a
Republican chief executive president who did what Barack Obama did?
(26:12):
Of course they would. They were executing lawfare against Donald
Trump throughout the entire twenty four election on no basis
other than conjecture and rumoring, innuendo and invented storylines. This
actually happened, Brenner Brennan Clapper COMI the whole cabal in
the Obama administration, and there's no way it happens without
(26:35):
the sign off of BHO Barack Hussein Obama. I think
you might be burying the league. What's the league? Kelly
quickly that you were docks. Oh no, no, you're not gonna
make this about me, But I'll mention that on the
other side of this quote from Donald Trump, Donald Trump,
he's leaving the door open, and God help us. Pam
(26:56):
BONDI do your damn job. Some of they's got to
go down for this. You have to send a message.
If it's called me, if it's Clapper, if it's Brennan,
it's got to be somebody who pays a price for
the s malefeasance.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Which hut that you should be talking about, is they
caught President Obama absolutely called Telsea Gabbert what they did
to this country in twenty sixteen, starting in twenty sixteen,
but going up all the way going up to twenty
twenty of the election.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
They tried to rig the election.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Then they got caught and there should be very severe
consequences for that. You know, when we caught Hillary Clinton,
I said, you know what, let's not go too far here.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
It's the ex wife of a president.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And I thought it was sort of terrible, and I
let her off the hook.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
And I'm very happy I did. But it's time to
start after what they did.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
To me, and whether it's right or wrong, it's time
to go after people. Obama's been caught directly, so people say, oh,
you know a group.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
It's not a group, it's Obama.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
His orders are on the paper, the papers are signed,
The papers came right out of their office. They send
everything to be highly classified. Well the highly classified it
has been released. And what they did in twenty sixteen
and in twenty twenty is very criminal.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
It's criminal at the highest level.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Add Loretta Lynch to that list of names as well,
and it is criminal. What happened in the aftermath of
twenty sixteen. President Trump was never granted legitimacy of winning
that election fair and square. It was Russia collusion. We
were told that whole line of bs. And why did
I really want to say it? Listen to this nonsense.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Russia hacking the election to elect Trump?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
What is the end of our pockras? Three votes were
definitely affected, But you're Russia hacked the election to tilted
to mister Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
The Russians definitively hacked the election.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Russia did hack the election, no doubt. The Russians hacked
the election. Yes, Russia hacked the elections ACKed. Russia hacked
the election. President elect Donald Trump still not sounding convinced
that Russia hacked the election. The President does not want
to come to terms with the fact that the Russians
hacked the election.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
President Trump says he still wonders if if the Russians
hacked the election, if you can get them.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
To accept that Russia hacked the election, see if you
can get him to accept who won the Civil Wars.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
If he admits it, it casts a shadow on.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
His victory over Hillary Clinton. Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Russia hacked the election. Let's be clear, Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Definitively.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Russia hacked the election, and Russia is doing it again now.
Election related cyber hacking.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Cyber hacking of US elections, cyber hacking of the election.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Russia was cyber hacking the election. Russia was cyber hacking
the election. The CIA, the FBI, NSA, all of these
intelligence organizations.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Seventeen intelligence agencies all conclude.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
That Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
If we find out that Donald Trump just theoretically was
colluding with Russia while they were hacking the election, that
is completely impeachable.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
This dossier alleged a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and
the Russian effort to hack the election. The Director of
National Intelligence the head of the National Security Agency, the
head of the FBI, all of these intelligence experts saying
Russia hacked the intelligence. Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the former Director of
National Intelligence, James Clapperman.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
They've all said this.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So to believe that that's wrong, you have to believe
they're all involved in an elaborate conspiracy to get Donald Trump,
which seems a little far fetched to that is your
blood boiling as much as mine is right now, I'm
seething hearing that lies. Russia did not hack the election.
That did not happen, but you heard how it spun
(30:49):
like a snowball downhill. Russia hacked the election. Therefore must
have been a conspiracy. Therefore, Donald Trump must have colluded
with Russia and Vladimir Putin to overturn the results of
the election that would have duly elected Hillary Clinton as president.
She advanced that lie in that narrative. This is all
a hoax. And you hear Donald Trump saying, you think
(31:10):
it sounds funny, like a punchline, but it's true. He's right.
It was a hoax perpetrated on the American people. And
what this did, It undermined the legitimacy of Trump's victory,
therefore the legitimacy of his presidency. It led into two impeachments,
the first of which over a phone call to Ukraine
because they could not make Russia collusion stick. Because Muller
(31:31):
did his little investigation, wasting millions in taxpayer money, diverted
away from attention that could have been spent on the
COVID virus league in China that was happening at the
exact same time. We have dopes like Jason Crowe presenting
on the House floor this phony impeachment of Donald Trump.
He was railroaded his entire presidency for four years by
(31:53):
these charlatans, these liars, And you're telling me we're supposed
to look the other way. GT to the FO It's
it jigs up time. Tulca Gabbard caught Barack Obama his
entire administration red handed. It's not a surprise to any
of us. We knew this all along. But the proof
is right there. And could you blame Donald Trump everything
(32:16):
he's been through those four years of his presidency, the
law fare, the assassination attempts, and now he was the hunted.
But now he's the hunter, and I don't blame him
one bit. One last time out, we're back to wrap
it all up on Ryan Schuling Live after this. Thanks
(32:41):
to Zach Seegers Kelly Caacerra for joining me in this quest.
This one says it's sad when legal immigrants that become
citizens are more patriotic than the alt left Marxist citizens
born in our country. Amen to that, folks. Those are
my grandparents, and specifically I remember my Bubba, my grandmother,
and the American flag. She would bust out. I'm talking dozens,
(33:02):
if not hundreds, on her favorite holiday, July fourth Independence Day,
she would wear red, white and blue. She had a
stars spangled outfit that she'd wear. She was a very
proud American, and I was proud of her. Finally, this one,
the illegal aliens are not coming here to work for
a better life. They're coming here to suck the system.
Free housing, free food, free medical care, free cars, free phones,
et cetera. That's why they're here. They actually can get
(33:24):
better benefits than the working person in many ways. You're right,
but I always want to allow for people to come
here legally or seek that out to work and earn
a living and become an American, totally different category than
what you just described. At time Out, Dan Kaplis is next.
I'm with you tomorrow, right back here on Ryan Schuling
Life
Love for this bill to not even come to the floor.
It might even be insulting if it does come to
the floor.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I argued my predecessor, Scott Tipton in the third District
on amnesty, and this is amnesty. You cannot come into
our country or be in our country illegally and then
be offered a passive citizenship or a permanent residence or
whatever that may be and not call it amnesty. This
(00:27):
is amnesty, and.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It is not something that I will support.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Maria Salazar has wanted amnesty legislation since she arrived in
Congress with me in our one and seventeenth Congress class, and.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
This is not something that I support.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I do understand gave Evan's position, and he can argue
that better than I ever could or would, because this
is not a bill that I support.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Representative Lauren Bobert earlier today here on KOA Ryan Schuling
filling in for Ross Kaminsky and joining us now the
aforementioned Congressman Gabe Evans. You can follow him on exit. Rep.
Gabe Evans. He is a co sponsor of the Dignity
Act along with Representative Maria Salazar from Florida, and he
joins us now to talk more about it. Gabe, thanks
(01:17):
for your time as always.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, of course, always enjoy being on with you.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Now. You don't disagree much or often with Representative Bobert,
your colleague here from Colorado, But do you disagree here?
What would you say to refute what she just said?
The characterization of this bill is an amnesty bill.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, it's absolutely not an amnesty bill and we'll go
through all of the data points here because we're the
party that likes to critically analyze things and make sure
that we're actually getting the policy right. But it's absolutely
not an amnesty bill. And actually, the two things we
got to talk about before we even get into the
bill is first and foremost border security. We've said all
along and we're in complete lockstep with this. I think
everybody's in lockstep with this. You can't even have this
(01:54):
conversation about work visa reform because that's what this is.
It's a work visa reform bill. Even have a conversation
about work visa reform until the border is secure. And
we've seen what's happened for the first six months under
the new administration. We saw what we did with the
big beautiful bill with a historically large amount of funding
for border security, for immigration and customs, for border patrol,
for the border wall. Illegal crossings are at effectively at
(02:17):
zero right now. We've never seen that before, and we
know this is the starting point that you can't have
any further conversation without the amazing border security that we've
seen in the last six months. The second thing is
this bill has been around actually for about five years,
So whenever we have conversations, we're going to make sure
that we're talking the current version of this Dignity Act,
(02:40):
because previous versions of it, which went by the same name,
were squishy before I got to Congress. But you know,
this third draft version of it that's been reintroduced for
twenty twenty five, we ripped a lot. We ripped the
squishy stuff out of this bill. So here's what the
bill actually does. This bill does not have a path
(03:02):
to citizenship the end for anybody. The end this bill
enshrines in federal law, so not in the executive orders
that we've seen. This puts in federal law a permanent
bar to any federal benefits for people that are either
illegally present in the country or are on these different
types of work visas. This bill mandates national employer use
(03:24):
of EVERIFY, so that's the system to make sure that
you're not hiring illegal immigrants. It actually enthrines into federal
law the President's self depretation Order. If you do not
have legal status, again not under executive order. In this bill,
you either self deporter, we kick you out of the country.
So this is directly aimed at what we've said all along.
We don't want criminals, we don't want freeloaders, we don't
want cartels, we don't want gang member, gang bangers or
(03:46):
gang members. We don't want any of those people in
the United States. And this is actually putting that stuff
into federal law, along with the resources to be able
to get them out and to get them out of
an expedited manner. What this bill also does we've talked
a lot about in the illegal immigration space, how when
Biden threw the borders open and you had this mass
(04:08):
human wave influx of people, those illegal immigrants cut people
in line that had been working to try to do
it the right way. To come to the United States.
They were on a work visa, they were on some
sort of program to legally have the status to work
in the United States again pre Biden under Trump won, Well,
what happened when the border got thrown open is those
people who had legal status oftentimes couldn't even get their
(04:31):
work visa, their permit, their whatever their authorization was renewed.
And so then they had a choice to face. Do
they leave their employer, do they go back home because
they got cut in line by all of the illegal
immigrants under Biden that were freeloading and trying to take
these benefits, or do they keep working their job. Some
of them chose, you know a lot, I'm going to
keep working my job. And so that's where this bill
(04:54):
comes in. If somebody falls into a category like that,
they have to pay any back tax for ten years,
any back taxes. To enter into this program, they got
to pay a seven thousand dollars fine. So when we
talk amnesty, to me, amnesty means path for citizenship and
you don't pay up what you owe the American people.
But for any crime that you commit, we typically have
(05:16):
a fine schedule. You pay your fine.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
This has a.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Seven thousand dollars fine. Additionally, it has a one percent
annual garnishment on their lawful wage in the United States
to go pay for a program to do workforce development
for American taxpayers. It's a seven seventy billion dollar program
(05:40):
funded for American taxpayer workforce development by people under this visa.
It doesn't cost anything to the American people because that's
seven thousand dollars fine pays for it. And then again
it enshrines a ton of very very tough border protection
and anti legal immigrant for lack of a better word,
Paul Is, he's into law like the self importation mandate.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Representative Gabe Evans with a thorough explanation. They're representing the
eighth Congressional district here in Colorado and evenly divided district. Gabe,
I know that you are a descendant from immigrants in
this country and they have made a wonderful story for themselves,
and you have done that as well and carried on
that legacy. I know you're very proud of that legacy.
And I am the son of an immigrant myself. Where
(06:25):
I think people are struggling a little bit maybe is
in some of the language right here. Let me just
focus in on this particular group of people, and this
is from Maria Salazar, who you co sponsored the bill
with provide an earned opportunity for long term immigrants to
stay here and work. Now, should we read into that
long term illegal immigrants? Because I hear this and it
(06:45):
doesn't really set well with me that the longer they've
been here illegally somehow that's better in my mind. In
many ways, that's worse. That means they've had more time
to have that adjudicated, to seek some remedies, to come
forward and say, hey, look, I want to be here legally.
How do I do that? So, how would you explain
that particular line about long term illegal immigrants who maybe
haven't violated any other laws, have lived here peacefully, maybe
(07:08):
worked on a job. What is your mindset and approach
to that group. Yeah, so two thoughts.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Number One, they're not getting a free pass to anything,
seven thousand dollars fine for doing that, one percent garnishment
of their wages to the tune of its estimated seventy
billion dollars to pay for American workforce development. But then
the second part here is a lot of these folks
are you know, they're in that childhood arrival space. They
(07:35):
were brought to the United States when they were three, four,
five years old you know, obviously had no agency in
that decision themselves. And again this is all stuff in
the past. We can talk about what should have happened,
but as we used to say in the army, you
got to play the hand your delt and the hand
we've been dealt is you've had a lot of these
childhood arrivals in the United States educated American taxpayer expense
(07:58):
didn't have any agency themselves. And so when you talk
about the long term folks in the United States, I
think in that particular comment, that's who is contemplated here.
And again there's no free path to anything. There's all
of the different account accountability measures that we talked about,
not because any of us think this is the best
(08:20):
scenario that we could have had. We just have to
play the hand that we've been dealt, given the last
four years of a broken excuse me, four decades of
they've broken immigration system.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Congressman Gabe Evans eighth Congressional District here in Colorado, and
he has brought forth this bill along with Representative Maria
Salazar from Florida, called the Dignity Act. Now, Gabe, the
numbers game here of getting this to the floor voted
on and passed and sent over to the Senate. It
appears there's bipartisan support to a degree, but like I said,
(08:50):
you're peeling off some Republicans. Representative Bobert is a no,
and I imagine there will be several other no's from
the Republican side other than the blanket kind of nomenclature
of am this and that's anathema to Republicans. We know
that you know that, and it is to you too,
I know. And then you're claiming this is not that
an amnesty bill, But what are the complaints, the pushbacks,
(09:10):
the specific criticisms you're getting from some of those members
of Congress, I imagine maybe from the Freedom Caucus, those
that might be further to the right that you would
like to rebut and have you been able to do
that with them in person and try to bring them
over to your side on this?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah? So the first part is really like we talked about,
this bill has been around for five years, and so
just basic version control, making sure that people understand we're
talking about the twenty twenty five bill, not the twenty
twenty three bill or the twenty twenty one bill, which
did have squishy stuff in it. If you go google
Dignity Act, you're going to get bad information from previous
versions of the bill. So that's the first thing in
(09:45):
this space is just to have that level setting conversation
about what we're actually talking about and what the bill
actually does or does not do. So, as we've said,
does include a seven thousand dollars fine, does include all
of these other on ability measures. Does include expedited removal
for anybody that doesn't isn't able to get legal status
(10:08):
in the United States. Does not include a pathway to citizenship.
Does not include any freebies, any handouts. Again, this has
a lifetime bar for anyone who's getting federal welfare. They
can't even enter the program they get deported. We don't
want free loaders, we don't want criminals. So that's the
first part of the conversation, and then the second part
(10:29):
of the conversation is, again, we got to play the
hand that we're dealt I wish that forty two percent
of the ag labor force agricultural labor force in the
United States. I wish forty two percent of them warrant
I legal immigrants. But the fact of the matter is
forty two percent of the ag labor force in the
United States are illegal immigrants. And so whenever we're talking
(10:49):
about make America great again, as the agricultural community likes
to say, food security is national security, we have to
at least be able to engage in the conversations about
I wish we weren't in this spot. There's a lot
of other things I wish we weren't in the spot of,
but this is the hand we're dealt. We got to
have the conversations about how to move forward. And so
that's the final thought I'll leave you with here is
(11:10):
the bill has merely been introduced. It hasn't gone through
committee yet, hasn't gone through the floor yet, hasn't gone
through the Senate yet, and so it's open for the conversations.
We know we got to get this right. We know
we've been dealt a bad hand by the last four
years excuse me for decades of bad immigration policy. But
now that we have the border secured, we have to
(11:30):
double down on that border security. We have to double
down on it through federal law and not just merely
executive order, so that the border stay's secured in perpetuity,
regardless of who's in the White House or who's in
control of Congress. With that done, and with the additional
help that this Dignity Act brings to that border security
and brings to that immigration enforcement space, we also have
(11:52):
to have the conversation round and what do we do with,
among many other things, the forty two percent of the
ag labor force that's herely gave you have time for
one more question, you got to go, well, my schedule
just changed up, so we can do one more.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Okay, And that comes to this, and I know you're
sensitive to this as well, especially for those residents that
reside in the eighth congressional district. We saw not long
ago a meat packaging plan I think it was in Nebraska,
South Dakota something like that that was busted. Had a
whole bunch of illegal immigrants working there for cut wages,
and those workers' rights were not being acknowledged whatsoever. And
the response from the owner of that meat packaging plant was,
(12:29):
we don't have a playbook for this. So there's this reliance,
Like you said, forty two percent of the egg industry,
meat packaging industry that relies on illegal immigrants. Karen Bass
has made this point as well. You can kind of
conflating illegal immigrants with legal immigrants. How would you approach
businesses that conduct themselves that way, that are looking for
cheap under the table wages to hire illegal workers and
(12:52):
encouraging that type of employee to cross the border illegally.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And so that's exactly what this bill does. This bill
crushed is that sort of bad behavior. Again, national mandate
for everify right now, that's an optional program that employers
get the choice of whether or not they're going to
do everify. This is a national mandate for everify. Every
single person in the United States will have to show
that they have the legal ability to work in the
(13:18):
United States, and the employer has to double down and
follow up on that, and they're subject to some pretty
hefty penalties if they skirt that law. The other thing
again that's in this bill is the self deportation mandate.
So in this bill, and again we're still you know,
we're still adjusting the dials, but we've got to have
the conversation. But in this bill as drafted, if you
(13:39):
don't have a legal work authorization in the United States,
you individually are under a federal mandate to self deport
We are putting that into federal law. This is not
an executive order that the next Democrat administration could overturn.
This is putting that into federal law. And combined with
(14:00):
the sixty seventy billion dollars whatever the precise number was
of funding that we put into immigration and Customs and
border patrol in the big beautiful Bill, we have the
teeth to be able to back that up so that
we can finally get that decisive and clear pathway forward
for employers and for folks in the United States, so
that they know that every single employee that they are
(14:23):
hiring either has lawful status to be able to work
in the United States, or the employer gets clawbered and
that individual gets clawbered for violating the federal mandate of
self deportation that's included in this piece of legislation.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You can hear why. He's a bright rising star in
the Republican Party here in Colorado and nationally representing the
eighth Congressional District in Colorado. He is a co sponsor
of the Dignity Act and he articulated it quite well
what it does and what it doesn't do. And we
thank you Representative Gabe Evans for joining us here today.
Good to be hon with you. So you've heard both
sides of the Representative Evans standing up for this bill
(14:59):
and Representative Lauren Bobert opposing it and Representative Chip Roy
saying that he opposes it, and I would imagine most
of the Freedom Caucus, if not all, will be voting
against it. Now. Well, Gabe Evans be able to peel
off maybe some moderate Democrats and get this over the
finish line that remains to be seen. But what I'm
really interested in hearing is your opinion of five seven
(15:21):
seven thirty nine. Do you feel this bill opens the
door to amnesty? Now, Representative Evans swears that's not the case,
that this is not a pathway to citizenship, that that
is not what is providing the bill, that it tightens
up security at the border, and also for employers as
you just heard, that might be looking to hire illegal
aliens at cut wages. That undermines American workers, That undermines
(15:45):
the illegal alien workers themselves, who if they came here
legally and became American citizens, they would be afforded those
rights and be able to live their lives outside of
the darkness of being illegal aliens. I mean this is
it's not only a stigma. That's just putting it mildly.
That's just a label. But this is a way of life.
(16:06):
Now think about it. You're a stranger in a strange land.
Maybe you don't speak the language, certainly it's not your
first language. And then you know that you are under
the spotlight of possible deportation. How can you live your
life that way? You want to come here legally, become
an American citizen, pledge allegiance to our flag and to
(16:26):
our values and to the Constitution of the United States.
That's where Lauren Bobert is, That's where I am, That's
where Gabe Evans is too, And where I come down
on this is I don't like nudging the door open
to anything remotely resembling amnesty. And Mandy Connell and I
had this conversation earlier. I was filling in for ros
Kamensky today and I know it's difficult, but you play
(16:49):
stupid games, you win stupid prizes. If you came here
illegally and you knew it, there's no pleading ignorance to that,
then you don't have a right to be here. And
when the jig is up, you gotta go, and that
might be inconvenient for you, But let me tell you something.
It's inconvenient for US American taxpayers who have to foot
the bill for medical bills for illegals that are not
(17:09):
contributing to the system, for Medicaid, for Social Security, for
Medicare benefits that should not be going to illegal aliens.
Something the Big Beautiful Bill addresses. If you are an
American citizen, then you are afforded all of those rights therein,
but you must become an American citizen. You can't have
your cake and eat it too. I'm not gonna be
an American city. I'm gonna do whatever I want. I'm
(17:30):
gonna cross the border illegal, I'm gonna hang around. I'm
gonna overstay a visa. No you're not. No, you're not
New Sheriff in Town, Donald Trump, Tom Holman, John Fabricatory.
Get out and then come back the right way. You
don't get to cut in line. If you're waiting at Disneyland,
you can get a fast pass. Those don't exist here.
Crossing the Mexican border, you can't get a fast pass
(17:52):
like you do at Disneyland or disney World, nor should you.
What makes you special. Everybody's got a sob story. Mandy
mentioned on her show, people are waiting you seven years.
That shouldn't be the case. Let's clean up the rules.
Let's get this process streamlined so that again people that
want to, under the light of day, become American citizens
wherever you're from, and you want to contribute to our
(18:13):
society and work hard to be an American taxpayer, then
therein lie the benefits. You don't get to just collect
the goodies and to come across the border and set
up shop and hold your hand out and get fat
and get clothed and get sheltered and provide nothing in return. No,
that's not a good deal. I reject the premise. Unfortunately,
(18:35):
Mayor Mike Johnson of Denver does not reject that premise.
And that makes us a sanctuary state in Colorado and
a sanctuary city in Denver, and that gives us the
problem that we have, and that gives us Denver a
two hundred and fifty million dollar budget deficit. You have
to have rules, you have to have laws, you have
to enforce them. You have to have a border, you
have to have a nation, you have to have a culture,
you have to have a language. And if you want
(18:56):
to be an American, the door is wide open, so
you've got to come through the front, not the back door.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Those papers they have a stone called and it was
President Obama.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
It wasn't lots of people all over the place. It
was them too. But the leader of the gang was.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
President Obama, Barack Hussein Obama.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Have you heard of him?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
And except for the fact that he gets shielded by
the press for his entire life, that's.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
The one they look. He's guilty. It is not a question,
you know, I like to say, let's give it time.
It's there. He's guilty.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
They this was treason. This was every word you can
think of. They tried to steal the election. They tried
to upf uscape the election. They did things that nobody's
ever even imagined, even in other countries what they did.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And of course I was President Trump back here and
Ryan showing live. What the Democrats did was not unlike
what they did in the wake of the two thousand election.
Those of you old enough to remember Bush v. Gore
the hanging Chad's in Florida, the swing county five hundred
odd votes decided the entire election. He have Florida flips
for Gore. He's the next president of the United States
(20:14):
after Bill Clinton. But the State Supreme Court ruled a
certain way. The United States Supreme Court ruled pretty much
along ideological lines. Now, you had the two in the
middle at that time, if you'll recall, were Sanderdale O'Connor
and Anthony Kennedy, and they were going to be the
swing votes, and they voted with the conservative majority, which
included Clarence Thomas and Antoninscalia at that time, and William Rehnquist,
(20:38):
the Chief Justice, who was far superior to John Roberts.
It's not even close. But anyway, by a five to
four decision, President Bush was inaugurated and al Gore conceded
and decided he needed to go home and mend some
fences in Tennessee. That's the other thing think about this.
Al Gore was a legacy in Tennessee. He was Albert
(21:00):
Gore Junior. His father, Albert Gore Sor was a long
time old school's Southern Democrat. And you know what that
means out of Tennessee, al Gore Sr. Did you know
Al Gore Junior the Vice President of the United States
for eight years under a very popular president, Bill Clinton,
(21:20):
but he was sidetracked by the Monica Lewinsky scandal. And
although he left office very popular personally with his approval rating,
al Gore left a lot to be desired from a
charisma standpoint. And Daryl Hammond did a spot on impersonation
of al Gore back then, And folks, I got some
really sweet news for you. Daryl Hammon's going to be
on this program tomorrow at three point thirty three. Any'ally
(21:43):
coming to comedy works out this week, And I'm really
excited about that interview. That being said, So you had
Darryl Hammond is al Gore on one side, and you
had Will Ferrell as George W. Bush on the other.
Strategy rever that sketch. That's good stuff. But what happened
and in the aftermath, Michael Moore and all these other
wackadoodle libs they were calling him? Do you remember what
(22:04):
they called him? Kelly? Do you remember they called w Zach?
You're exampt you were not alive. I'm fairly alive right now.
I don't know what the hell just happened to me. Okay,
let's put you on pause. Then that's crazy and wild
be good. They called George W. Bush the selected president
rather than the elected president, and they never granted him
any kind of validation. Legitimacy was the keyword there too,
(22:28):
from the time he was inaugurated in January it was February,
I think, because Gore was contesting and he was going
through the courts, that was his right, Gor Leiberman. They
did that, and I don't necessarily begrudge them. That was
a very close election. It's very tough to lose an
election that closely, so I get it. So w sworn
in like February of two thousand and one. Do we
know what happened seven months later? Yeah, nine to eleven.
(22:52):
From that point, I would say between September twelfth, two
thousand and one and the beginning of the war in
a Rack in two thousand and three, no president has
enjoyed more support universal unilateral, including for the Democrats Tom Dashel, folks.
If you recall that time, that's as united as I
ever remember us being in my lifetime. Now I can
(23:15):
imagine how it was during World War Two, but that
predates my own father, let alone me. We were united
in two thousand and one. In two thousand and two,
hunting down al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, trying
to find Osama bin Lad. That should have been the focus.
Had that been the laser focus, George W. Bush would
have walked away. Two thousand and four would have looked
(23:35):
like nineteen eighty four in W's reelection bid as Reagan
pommeled Bondale back then. But we got entrenched in this
war in Iraq and it was not popular, and John
Carey campaigned on that, and W one won the popular
vote and won the electoral vote, but it was by
a rather narrow margin. I remember the next day, that
Wednesday after election Day two thousand and four, at rush
(23:59):
Limb comes on the air and he lets the song
play out. The whole thing by the pretenders. My city
was gone because it's about a city in Ohio. And
had Carrie flipped Ohio, he wins the election and the
Democrats you talk about election deniers, folks I just mentioned
two thousand they were denying it. Then the selected president,
(24:21):
this scot has decided it not a real president, not legitimate.
In two thousand and four, these same Democrats took to
the House floor and they were contesting the electoral votes
in North Carolina, in Florida, in Ohio, and several other
states trying to overturn the results of the election. I
remember I was there. I'm old enough I watched it.
(24:42):
So spare me with this whole election denial stuff that
it only happens in one direction. The last time Democrats
accepted the results of a presidential election that favored the
Republicans was nineteen eighty eight, when Herbert Walker Bush defeated Ducaucus.
That is the last time there was no reprisal from
(25:04):
Democrats against Republicans. Because now we flash forward to twenty
sixteen and what happened then and there On Inauguration Day,
Washington Post headline, how the impeachment of Donald Trump begins
on paraphrasing the headline, but not by much. They couldn't
believe that he pulled the upset of the century. Hillary
Clinton was like a ninety nine percent favorite embedding Odds,
(25:25):
New York Times and otherwise five point thirty eight whatever
to win the election. Yet she lost. She won the
popular vote. That's not how we decide presidential elections in
this country. We decided by the electoral college, and Trump won.
Trump swept the industrial rust belt of the Upper Midwest, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa.
(25:47):
She didn't win nary a state of those five. And
what happened then? What happened? Then it went all the
way to the top. Now, I don't know if we're
not going to see Barack Obama purp walk, So don't
get your fever dreams up too high. But if the
roles were reversed, do you not believe that the Democrats
would be pursuing to the ends of the earth a
Republican chief executive president who did what Barack Obama did?
(26:12):
Of course they would. They were executing lawfare against Donald
Trump throughout the entire twenty four election on no basis
other than conjecture and rumoring, innuendo and invented storylines. This
actually happened, Brenner Brennan Clapper COMI the whole cabal in
the Obama administration, and there's no way it happens without
(26:35):
the sign off of BHO Barack Hussein Obama. I think
you might be burying the league. What's the league? Kelly
quickly that you were docks. Oh no, no, you're not gonna
make this about me, But I'll mention that on the
other side of this quote from Donald Trump, Donald Trump,
he's leaving the door open, and God help us. Pam
(26:56):
BONDI do your damn job. Some of they's got to
go down for this. You have to send a message.
If it's called me, if it's Clapper, if it's Brennan,
it's got to be somebody who pays a price for
the s malefeasance.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Which hut that you should be talking about, is they
caught President Obama absolutely called Telsea Gabbert what they did
to this country in twenty sixteen, starting in twenty sixteen,
but going up all the way going up to twenty
twenty of the election.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
They tried to rig the election.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Then they got caught and there should be very severe
consequences for that. You know, when we caught Hillary Clinton,
I said, you know what, let's not go too far here.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
It's the ex wife of a president.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And I thought it was sort of terrible, and I
let her off the hook.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
And I'm very happy I did. But it's time to
start after what they did.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
To me, and whether it's right or wrong, it's time
to go after people. Obama's been caught directly, so people say, oh,
you know a group.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
It's not a group, it's Obama.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
His orders are on the paper, the papers are signed,
The papers came right out of their office. They send
everything to be highly classified. Well the highly classified it
has been released. And what they did in twenty sixteen
and in twenty twenty is very criminal.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
It's criminal at the highest level.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Add Loretta Lynch to that list of names as well,
and it is criminal. What happened in the aftermath of
twenty sixteen. President Trump was never granted legitimacy of winning
that election fair and square. It was Russia collusion. We
were told that whole line of bs. And why did
I really want to say it? Listen to this nonsense.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Russia hacking the election to elect Trump?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
What is the end of our pockras? Three votes were
definitely affected, But you're Russia hacked the election to tilted
to mister Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
The Russians definitively hacked the election.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Russia did hack the election, no doubt. The Russians hacked
the election. Yes, Russia hacked the elections ACKed. Russia hacked
the election. President elect Donald Trump still not sounding convinced
that Russia hacked the election. The President does not want
to come to terms with the fact that the Russians
hacked the election.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
President Trump says he still wonders if if the Russians
hacked the election, if you can get them.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
To accept that Russia hacked the election, see if you
can get him to accept who won the Civil Wars.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
If he admits it, it casts a shadow on.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
His victory over Hillary Clinton. Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Russia hacked the election. Let's be clear, Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Definitively.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Russia hacked the election, and Russia is doing it again now.
Election related cyber hacking.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Cyber hacking of US elections, cyber hacking of the election.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Russia was cyber hacking the election. Russia was cyber hacking
the election. The CIA, the FBI, NSA, all of these
intelligence organizations.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Seventeen intelligence agencies all conclude.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
That Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
If we find out that Donald Trump just theoretically was
colluding with Russia while they were hacking the election, that
is completely impeachable.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
This dossier alleged a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and
the Russian effort to hack the election. The Director of
National Intelligence the head of the National Security Agency, the
head of the FBI, all of these intelligence experts saying
Russia hacked the intelligence. Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the former Director of
National Intelligence, James Clapperman.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
They've all said this.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So to believe that that's wrong, you have to believe
they're all involved in an elaborate conspiracy to get Donald Trump,
which seems a little far fetched to that is your
blood boiling as much as mine is right now, I'm
seething hearing that lies. Russia did not hack the election.
That did not happen, but you heard how it spun
(30:49):
like a snowball downhill. Russia hacked the election. Therefore must
have been a conspiracy. Therefore, Donald Trump must have colluded
with Russia and Vladimir Putin to overturn the results of
the election that would have duly elected Hillary Clinton as president.
She advanced that lie in that narrative. This is all
a hoax. And you hear Donald Trump saying, you think
(31:10):
it sounds funny, like a punchline, but it's true. He's right.
It was a hoax perpetrated on the American people. And
what this did, It undermined the legitimacy of Trump's victory,
therefore the legitimacy of his presidency. It led into two impeachments,
the first of which over a phone call to Ukraine
because they could not make Russia collusion stick. Because Muller
(31:31):
did his little investigation, wasting millions in taxpayer money, diverted
away from attention that could have been spent on the
COVID virus league in China that was happening at the
exact same time. We have dopes like Jason Crowe presenting
on the House floor this phony impeachment of Donald Trump.
He was railroaded his entire presidency for four years by
(31:53):
these charlatans, these liars, And you're telling me we're supposed
to look the other way. GT to the FO It's
it jigs up time. Tulca Gabbard caught Barack Obama his
entire administration red handed. It's not a surprise to any
of us. We knew this all along. But the proof
is right there. And could you blame Donald Trump everything
(32:16):
he's been through those four years of his presidency, the
law fare, the assassination attempts, and now he was the hunted.
But now he's the hunter, and I don't blame him
one bit. One last time out, we're back to wrap
it all up on Ryan Schuling Live after this. Thanks
(32:41):
to Zach Seegers Kelly Caacerra for joining me in this quest.
This one says it's sad when legal immigrants that become
citizens are more patriotic than the alt left Marxist citizens
born in our country. Amen to that, folks. Those are
my grandparents, and specifically I remember my Bubba, my grandmother,
and the American flag. She would bust out. I'm talking dozens,
(33:02):
if not hundreds, on her favorite holiday, July fourth Independence Day,
she would wear red, white and blue. She had a
stars spangled outfit that she'd wear. She was a very
proud American, and I was proud of her. Finally, this one,
the illegal aliens are not coming here to work for
a better life. They're coming here to suck the system.
Free housing, free food, free medical care, free cars, free phones,
et cetera. That's why they're here. They actually can get
(33:24):
better benefits than the working person in many ways. You're right,
but I always want to allow for people to come
here legally or seek that out to work and earn
a living and become an American, totally different category than
what you just described. At time Out, Dan Kaplis is next.
I'm with you tomorrow, right back here on Ryan Schuling
Life
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.