July 15, 2024 • 35 mins
Graham Dunne, retired SWAT sniper joins Ryan to provide his expert analysis and opinion on what went wrong with the breakdown in Secret Service protection which led to the assassination attempt and shooting of former President Donald J. Trump.
Graham is also the author of 'The Jagged Blue Line,' available on Amazon Kindle, with hard copies soon available on the Amazon website. He is also a local firearms instructor and provides executive security for high value targets, working with Secret Service itself. Graham was part of the Aurora theater shooting investigation as well.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9FPLW7N/
Ross Kaminsky, KOA host joins Ryan to discuss the political and societal aftermath following the assassination attempt against Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania on Saturday. Also, the breaking news of Trump's vice-presidential pick - Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH).
Graham is also the author of 'The Jagged Blue Line,' available on Amazon Kindle, with hard copies soon available on the Amazon website. He is also a local firearms instructor and provides executive security for high value targets, working with Secret Service itself. Graham was part of the Aurora theater shooting investigation as well.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9FPLW7N/
Ross Kaminsky, KOA host joins Ryan to discuss the political and societal aftermath following the assassination attempt against Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania on Saturday. Also, the breaking news of Trump's vice-presidential pick - Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH).
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Start with protests against you, massiveprotests, organized protests by the left,
and then it moved to impeachment twiceright, and now indictment. I mean
the next stage is violence. Isare you worried that they're going to try
and kill you? Why wouldn't theytry and kill you? Honestly, they're
savage animals. They are people thatare sick, really sick. You have
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great people in the Democrat Party.You have great people that are Democrats.
Most of the people in our countryare fantastic and I'm representing everybody. I'm
not just Republican. But I've seenwhat they do. I've seen the lengths
that they go to. But thesepeople are sick people. These are people
that I think they hate our country. You want to know that truth your
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vice presidential pick. Are you close? I'm very close. I mean I'm
very close. Does it matter ifit's Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, or
someone else on the Democratic ticket interms of it's a woman, it's a
person of color, any of thosetypes of issues. Does it matter who
you choose? It's your vacate.You have people that are very smart people.
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They say it does I say itdoesn't. They say, Oh,
it depends on what's going to happen. Who you're going to pick. I
don't think so you're going to picka great person. You're going to run
the other thing I've noticed if youlook, I don't want to belittle it
because it's a very important position,especially if something bad should happen. But
that's the most important, if somethingbad should happen, yea on top of
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the roof. Look, Gary isright there, right there them. He's
playing. Yeah, he's playing downwhat's happening because we're going to make them
look because we have millions and inour country that dangerous we have. We
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have people that happened and then theworst president in the history of our country
took over. And look what happenedto our country, probably twenty million people.
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And you know that's a little bitold. That short that sharks a
couple of months old. And ifyou want to really see something, that
said, take a look at whathappened over their home. Hold. What
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are you ready on? You already? How comes here? Here? We
ready? We're good. Shoots down, I'll be good to know, we're
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quiet's we're hard. Okay, we'regood. Let me get my shoe let
me get my shoes. I gotto let me get my shoes. Hold
on head the body, so wegotta go to the cluster. Let me
get my sole Tell wait, wait, wait for the power of audio.
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When you hear that montage and youcan only hear the sound Brian shuling with
you six point thirty k How thisMonday, July fifteenth, a historic weekend
for all the wrong reasons. Ahistoric day today and we'll talk about that
as well. Jd Vance, theSenator from Ohio, has been named as
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the vice presidential running mate for Presidentand future President Donald John Trump. And
this weekend, I mean, itfelt like a month went by since I
signed off with you on Friday.And on that day we were giving Kelly
a hard time for being an uptowngirl. And we went to Billy Joel
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that night, and I got totell you that feels like a month ago.
It was a remarkable concert. Itwas a lot of fun. Billy
Joel kind of made a joke duringthe performance. He was fumbling around with
like a music stand that I thinkwas holding his sheet music, and I
think I missed the first part ofit. Kelly might be able to help
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me out here and he said,I'm stumble around like Biden, and then
he added or like Trump, youknow, just trying to even it out.
But I think Billy Joel, who'sa lifelong Democrat and he's a liberal,
but he's not like a psycho likewe saw over the weekend. He's
not one of these that's Donald Trumpis an existential threat to democracy, whack
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job like you know, Robert deNiro. He's not like that, but
he is left of center. ButI think he understands and understood in that
moment looking out at coors Field.I told Kelly this. I told Mandy
this. Mandy Connell's at that concertas well. If you were to pull
this whole audience at coors Field ofBilly Joel fans in attendance at that concert,
in that age group, that demographic, who do you think wins Trump
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or Biden in that crowd. I'mpretty sure Donald Trump would, and I'm
pretty sure Billy Joel knew that.But then fast forward to one day later,
and this Saturday, this past Saturdayis going to live on in our
minds and our hearts and our memoriesas a where were you on that day
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moment? And there's only a fewin one's lifetime. Nine to eleven certainly
qualifies. But the attempted assassination ofDonald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, you
will remember where you were and whoyou were with and what was happening on
that day, and I know Iwill. It has burned into my memory.
I was sitting at a dinner inearly dinner, late lunch, what
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do you want to call that inColorado Springs with Kelly, and Alexa was
there, and my good friend ChristianToto and Frandy was there, She's a
Colorado Springs native, and we're gettingready to go to Jimmy Fayla that night.
We would end up doing that.But I'm sitting there and I get
an update on my phone from afriend of mine who works in the government
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in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and shesays Trump has been shot. And I'm
looking at that, you know,it's such a jarring brief message that I
got, and I just looked upand I saw the faces at the rest
of the table. They were lookingover at me, and I go,
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Donald Trump's been shot. And I'llnever forget the looks on the faces of
Christian Toto, of Kelly, ofAlexa of Frandy and he was just like
jaw gape. You can't believe it. It's such a stunning development in that
moment, and you don't know allthe details. And then we're finding in
this new age of online media withTwitter and everything, kind of clips of
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videos in real time and what youheard obviously there the tail end of it
was Trump in the midst of hisspeech turning his head to motion to a
graphic. But for the grace ofGod, at that moment Donald Trump turned
his head. Had he not turnedhis head, if he was just stationary
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facing straight ahead to the audience ashe normally is, even with the teleprompters,
the bullet that grazed the top ofhis ear and a vander Holyfield at
him like Mike Tyson biting it off, it's about the same injury. Probably
would have went in the back ofhis skull and killed him. And there
was a man who died that day, a father, a girl, dad,
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And I thought Governor Josh Shapiro dida remarkable job in paying tribute to
that Maga Republican. And it needsto be said, because that was a
hero who protected his own family,his daughters and his wife who was a
fervent supporter of Donald Trump and whowas the very maga Republican that President Biden
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warned the rest of the country aboutwas a threat to democracy. And we
cannot let them off the hook forthat. Now. I'm as seething with
rage and anger as all of youprobably are right now. But it's time
to focus. We have to besmart about this. You have to think
like Michael Corleone, not Sonny.You can't just lash out. You can't
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react in anger. You can't dosomething stupid. We don't want to be
like them. We don't want tobe like whatever. This twenty year old
you know, male content Lee HarveyOswald wanna be John Hinckley. Want to
me, he's probably in that samecategory. We're going to get a full
investigation, probably a psychological profile.All of that will come in time.
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But make no mistake, you know, there's the line in Total Eclipse of
the Heart living in a powder kegand giving off sparks. We've been living
in a powder keg for some time, and the Democrats and their pundits and
the show hosts, and the Presidenthimself and the Vice President have been not
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only giving off sparks but providing ablowtorch at the powder keg, and I'm
going to go ahead and connect thosedots, Ben Shapiro. Others say,
well, it's always just the shooter'sfault. It is, but you will
always have a lunatic fringe that willbe motivated, that will be activated.
And if you tell them in themoment that this man, Donald Trump is
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Orange Hitler, that on the coverof the New Republic there is a morphing
of Trump's face with Adolf Hitler mustacheand all that, you say, he's
an existential threat to democracy and thatdemocracy will end if Donald Trump's elected.
He'll become a dick on day one, which of course is bastardizing his quote.
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You put that level of fear ina republic and somebody is gonna snap.
And I think part of them knewthat. Part of them was like,
well, if it happens, becauseI saw the reaction on X by
some real ghoulish, horrible people,sorry the shooter or missed that was trending,
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that was trending on X, Likeare you kidding you with that?
God forbid? And I start itthat way. If President Biden same thing
happened to him, I would decryit. I would condemn it in the
most strongest of terms, and Iwould expect everybody in my circle to do
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the exact same thing. Political violenceisn't just unacceptable now that it's happened,
It was unacceptable before Saturday as well. But Joe Biden doesn't care because he's
a even cynical, sad old man, and all he had to run on
was to stoke the fears of whatmight happen if he loses, because he
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can't run on what he's done inorder to win. He has to run
not to lose, and that's thebottom line. I know Kelly's reaching out,
and I think we have him onthe line. Confirmed Graham Dunn.
He is a retired swat sniper andan expert on this subject. He joins
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us now to break down what wentwrong on Saturday in Butler, Pennsylvania,
the breakdown in Secret Service protection whichled to the assassination attempt and really near
killing of President Donald J. Trump. Graham, thank you for joining the
show. Hi, Ryan, HappyMonday. Yeah, definitely a happier Monday
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than it was a Saturday. AndI have my own opinions, thoughts,
observations, but I want to seethis through your eyes. You observed what
you've processed in the time since theshooting. From your standpoint, what went
wrong and why did it go wrong? Yeah, so I have several perceptions.
One is somebody who conducts executive protectionon a regular basis, another is
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a former sniper, and another asa firem's instructor. When it comes to
the actual incident itself, it isabsolutely mind blowing to me that that roof
wasn't covered. When the Secret Servicedoes a reconnaissance of a new location is
very in depth. They have thewhole team that goes out ahead of time,
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videotapes the whole area, makes contacts, runs all the roots, photographs
everything. No stone has left unturned, and quite frankly, the Secret Service
is a gold standard when it comesto executive protection, and so I have
a hard time believing that they can'talready identify that rooftop is a threat.
So how it was left I'm watchedis absolutely mind blowing to me. You
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know, we're really lucky that theshooter wasn't actually a shooter, that he
didn't really know what he's doing,as you know, I mean, it
came within inches of being a fatalshot. I was looking at it from
a snacker perspective. I was thinking, if I was on that roof,
one hundred and thirty yards is aneasy shot for somebody knows what they're doing.
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And if you're looking at the humanhead, the average human head here's
some useless sniper trivia for you,is six inches by ten inches. So
I worked out the wind deflection onthat shot. If you look at the
flag above Trump, I would saythat it's a good ten mile an hour
full value wind going from left toright, and that should be approximately a
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three quarter of an inch deflection onthe round. So if you're thinking it
clipped his ear three quarters of aninch, it's not a big deviation.
But if that had been three quartersof an inch over, that could have
been a fatal shot. Graham Doneis our guest. He is also the
author of The Jagged Blue Line.It's available right now on Amazon Kindle and
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within days hard copies will be availableon the Amazon website. Writ Large.
As he mentioned, he's a localfirearms instructor. He provides executive security for
high value targets, and he workswith the Secret Service itself. So Graham,
I mean you have first hand experiencewith this. Take us through.
Let's say you were assigned to theButler, Pennsylvania site, the radius,
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the perimeter, who's responsible for what? What are you looking for to make
sure things are buttoned down? Walkus through that if you could, please,
right, So, you'll have ateam fly out in anticipation and depending
how many people there are, everybody'sgonna have a sigence. So one assigned
would be to run all the roots, videotape the roots, videotape the entrances,
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take photographs to share with everybody ata briefing later. Another would be
somebody's gonna have to make contacts withall the local officials, police departments,
hospitals, emergency rooms, anything that'sin the area. I know there's going
to be a team that contacts anypotential threats. People who are on the
radar are already on top of that, just people boots on the ground who
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are out there taking a look around. So I have no doubt that the
recom was thorough because the Secret Serviceor second to no when it comes to
doing reconnaissance on locations, and theyhave teams that go ahead and take care
of that. How the ball wasdropped afterwards. I don't know. Now
I'm being told, like everybody is, that it was local law enforcements responsibility,
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and that may be true. Butstill it's not like they were downtown
Manhattan and you've got hundreds of windowsyou've got to care about. You have
a very open area with just acouple of potential threats, a couple of
areas where anybody with a little bitof training can look around and go that
rooftop could be a problem. Howis it, even if it's not the
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local law enforcements, even if it'slocal lawnforce and jurisdiction, how is it
some of our Secret Service can go, you know, we need to put
a guy on that roof just incase, or to make sure that they're
putting somebody on that roof something tothat effect. That's where the ball was
drops. Graham Dunn is our guestand again walking through what happened in the
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attempted assassination of Donald Trump this Saturdayin Butler, Pennsylvania. One of the
things that's being talked about. DanBongino I consider to be a foremost expert
on the subject as well. Hewas a Secret Service officer and shares a
lot of the same perspectives that youdo, Graham. I don't necessarily want
to get political about this, butI really want to evaluate it from a
left brain standpoint about we saw severalsmaller female officers who probably weren't as strong,
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They certainly weren't as tall. Andwe know that the Director Kim Cheadle
of the Secret Service had said thatdiversity equity inclusion that it was going to
be a priority for her to hirethirty percent of the workforce of the Secret
Service to be female age. Doyou think it has to be something like
brain surgery being a pilot where ithas to be a complete meritocracy, And
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if you have somebody like brand ofpart from Game of Thrones, a woman
who can fulfill all the tasks andqualifications just as a man would, I'm
totally fine with that. But whenyou adjust or lower the bar for a
Secret Service agent in such a highcapacity responsibility protecting an asset like the former
president of the United States, canwe afford to have DEI incorporated into that
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equation? Well, I'm one hundredpercent with you, and I can guarantee
that our enemies are not caring aboutDA why or whatever it is they're picking
the best people for the job.So it's the same concerns that I have
about the US military today. Andyou know, being a former marine,
I know for fact that people arebeing put in positions who are not physically
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able to run those positions. So, yeah, I saw the same video
you did. I saw an agentwhere she's trying to holster her weapons.
She tries several times and she can'tget the gun in the holster and she
gives up. I saw another femaleSecret Service agent where she's literally muzzling the
back of six SWAT officers, notjust for a second, for an extended
period of time. And on topof that, I hate to say it,
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but you can just look at someof these people and say that they're
not physically fit. And you evenfat people don't like fat cops. They
want to see people are in shape. So, you know, the thing
is is that obviously the standards arebeing dropped, and obviously there's a training
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issue. From my perspective as afarms instructor, those are very basic things
that people at day one students shouldbe able to understand. The concept of
not pointing your gun at friendlies,the concept of being able to get the
gun back in the holster rather thanfumbling around trying to get it in there
not being able to final question,Graham, and your information has been highly
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valuable and kind of adding perspective toall of this. But where it goes
from here? Obviously we don't wantto see this ever happen again to any
protected asset that's a former current presidentof the United States, whoever it is
that's under the Secret Service protection.But what needs what questions need to be
answered in your mind as an investigationunfolds. The FBI has taken this up,
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and what needs to change about theprotection detail for Donald Trump between now
and November and if he wins electiongoing forward as president? Well, I
really think that the need to droptheir egos as supervisors and just have a
put everything on, all the deadcats on the table, look at and
go who screwed up? Did Iscrew up? Did somebody else screw up?
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Where did we screw up? Andmaybe scrap everything. You know,
way back, I was a SWATofficer when Combine happened, and that's what
we did after that happened. Webasically met up as a team and we
went through everything and we go.You know, the tactics we use,
they don't work. This is anew animal. Let's throw everything out the
window and start from scratch, andthey really need to do the same thing.
And you know, I saw todaythat they're going to Trump asked for
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protection for RFK, and I dida protection detail for RFK earlier this year
when he came to town. Andthe ultimate irony of that is that the
whole reason that candidates get Secret Serviceprotection is because Rfk's dad was assassinated.
Yeah, he's not getting protection fromthe Secret Service. And they won't even
give him a reason why. Somehowhe's a threat to their party when it
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gets political. I mean, that'sjust unacceptable. And I believe there's some
detail. Trump had publicly requested SecretService protection I think as late as today
for RFK, and that may havebeen granted. But again it would be
a decision was just made today tofollow up on that during the break.
But you can follow up see hisbook, The Jagged Blue Line. You
can find that on Amazon Kindle atAmazon dot com. The hard copy edition
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will be available soon, I thinkby the end of the month. We're
just very happy be joined right nowby retired swat sniper and he is a
current firearms instructor A Graham Dunn joiningus to ed perspective to the assassination attempt
on Donald Trump over the weekend.Graham, thank you so much for your
time and your contributions to the show. Thanks, Ryan, take care all
right, Looking forward to that nextconversation too. If you have comments on
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what you heard from Graham, sendthose along text form five seven seven three
nine, Start them Ryan. TheGOLP convention has begun. Donald Trump is
officially the candidate for the Republican Partyand JD Vance, Senator Ohio is his
pick for vice president. We'll talkabout all of that with Ross Kaminski Koa
coming up next. Ryan, shulingwith you on six thirty K How and
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They're information obviously because they want tofix it. They're concerned that.
I think you're going to see alot of whistleblowers. I'm hearing there were
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very very few. I don't wantto give an exact number, but very
few. Actually, I don't thinkanyone else reported this. Actual secret service
post standers at that site that theywere temp HSI Homeland Security folks, which
are they're great folks. I'm notknocking them, but that's not what they
do specifically be due protection and we'retrained for that. So I'm hearing that.
I'm also hearing that the counter sniperteam that they had a problem seeing
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over the elevation. That's why Ididn't engage right away. Come on,
but that's not the problem. Theproblem, well it's the problem, but
that's not the real The problem iswhere the hell was the aerial visual support?
Why was there no helicopter, Whywas there no drone? Why was
there no flear? Why was thereno thermal forward looking in for red?
How the hell is the crowd actingas the freaking counter surveillance. I know
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if that's the best asset you haveis random Trump supporters. And that's Dan
Bongino, who I hope is thenext director of the Secret Service and a
Trump administration with Jesse Waters pointing outthe flaws and what happened that day and
joining me. Now, Ross Komenskifrom KOA, he's only been working a
few hours here and there. Infact, we got a text for you
or Ross says, this is Ross'sfamily. Can you please ask him to
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come home? Where you miss seeinghim? They're hearing you everywhere. Uh
huh uh huh. My wife's inMexico and one of my kids is in
Australia yea, and my other kidis getting on a plane to Austin in
a few hours, so I'll beall alone and my family will not have
to worry about me. I wantto thank you because Dave Tepper, our
boss, had reached out. Iwas in the Springs going to see Jimmy
Fayla to come in an anchor livecoverage. Ross did this, he tells
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me, uninterrupted for three hours overon KOA. So I guess take me
back, Ross. I had mentionedin my opening segment, this is one
of those days that I think you'regonna it's gonna be a where were you
that moment? And I'm never goingto forget it. Yeah, where were
you when you found out? Whatwas your initial reaction? So? I
was doing some work on a junkieold house that we bought. I was
working on some sprinkler lines and afriend of mine texted me and said,
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did you see that Trump was shot? And I thought he was maybe joking,
but this isn't not the kind ofguy to make some kind of joke
like that, right, And Iwent online and saw the news like,
oh boy, and I ran hometo start looking at the news, and
then, as you said, Teppercalled and I came in. You and
I both lived pretty close to thestation, and you know, it was
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interesting watching this stuff. I'll tellyou that the very first things that occurred
to me that are then occurring toother people later on the fact that he's
probably only alive because he turned hishead to the right, and that it
is unbelievable. It is, andso that's just kind of miraculous. And
then of course what a massive securityfail it was. At this point,
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it seems like we've got Secret Serviceand local PD pointing fingers at each other,
saying whose responsibility it was. Andthen a thing that you and I
were just talking about off the air, and I'm not sure if you already
mentioned on your show, but thefact that when he was surrounded by Secret
Service people and they were standing himup to start moving him out, the
person between him and the main partof the crowd was a woman who is
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much shorter than all the other agents, and you could see his head and
then he says weight and he doesthe pump fist and the whole iconic thing.
But I was thinking to myself,why is there a five foot six
person or whatever that lady is there? And that's going to be a hard
question asked of the head of theSecret Service. There's a lot of questions
that need to be answered in theinvestigation that will follow. But before we
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go to break here, Ross,I really wanted to get your take on
how you think this fundamentally changes therace people's perception of Trump going into the
convention. He survived an assassination attempt. What are your thoughts along those lines.
So, first, just the sortof iconicness of standing up and pumping
the fist is something that's going tobe on a lot of people's minds in
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a positive way for Trump. Theother thing I think is that the presence
of mind to do that, whetherhis goal was just to show the crowd
that he was safe, or whetherhis goal was you know, I'm the
consummate showman and I'm going to keepputting on a show a little bit,
We're both right. Whatever it was, he had the presence of mind to
do that in the most intense situationthat any human being will ever be in,
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short of war, and that's prettyclose to war it is, And
I think you put that in comparisonwith what just happened in the debate,
and you think about Joe Biden's lackof presence of mind, and I think
the fact that Donald Trump was ableto think of that and do that reminds
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everybody even more that regardless of whatyou think on a policy basis, in
a true sense, Trump is fitto do the job and Biden isn't.
Literally there, as Ross says,we'll take this break, we'll come back.
We'll get Ross's thoughts on the VPpick it is Senator jd Vance,
Ohio. And where the needle ison the American public finger on the pulse
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he on his way to victory asa result of what happened Saturday this break,
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the judicial system or whether it's fromthe ballot box. You know, they
don't want to see him back inoffice. Now. Some of the more
kind of craven types wouldn't mind theassassination. I think that their rhetoric back
set up. Back with Ross Kamenskyreal quick, closing things out here in
our one, Judge Eileen has dismissedthe document's case against Donald Trump and Florida.
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So everything's coming up. Trump theteflon Don and he picks jd Vance
to be his running mate. Abit of trivia, Ross Kaminski, what
can you tell us, Well,you had asked when we were going,
when we were in that breaks,you said jd Vance is thirty nine years
old. You had asked me,has there ever been a younger vice president?
I was thinking, you know,maybe sometime very early in the history
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of our Republicans. But it turnsout there's only been one vice president who
was younger than forty years old.His name was John Breckinridge, it is,
and he was the vice president forJames Buchanan, who some people think
was the worst president of American history. Probably was, and it probably was.
And John Breckinridge served in the UnitedStates Senate but was expelled after joining
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the Confederate Army. And he wasthe Confederate Secretary of War in eighteen sixty
five. So there you go.I think Jdvans can do better than that.
So we'll see what happened from here, I hope. So the Vance
pick, We've got to go realquick here. But I think it is
not only impeachment insurance, but perhapsassassination insurance. And you got to look
at things this way after Saturday,and that might be the reason why he
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was picked. In other words,Ross the Democrats aren't going to be in
a hurry to eject Trump, toinsert veg, insert many, right to
insert many. That's certainly part ofit. I also think this part will
be sound a little more negative,a little more cynical, But I think
of all the people who Trump wasconsidering, Vance would be the one least
likely to push back on Trump.If Trump were going to try to do
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something unconstitutional or illegal, I thinkVance will give him the least resistance.
The other thing that I think isinteresting if I think that Donald Trump is
thinking about his legacy in terms ofkeeping the kind of make America Great Again
policy platforms going past his presidency,and that's a fine thing to think about.
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And to that extent, he probablythinks, although four years and some
months is a freaking eternity, thatthe leading Republicans next time around could well
be Ron De Santis and Nikki Haleypotentially. And I think he thinks that
those two, especially Haley, whowould be probably the strongest candidate, you
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know, if we're redoing it rightnow without Trump, would want to undo
a lot of what he did,what Trump whatever Trump is going to do
right So, I think he thinkshe's giving a boost to a guy who
can then run for president in twentytwenty eight and maintain the Trump train.
That's exactly what I think, aswell, now, Ross, you and
I have talked about this in myentire time here in Denver. You didn't
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vote for Trump in twenty sixteen,YEP, voted for Gary Johnson. I
voted for the other libertarian, althoughhe kind of fooled me and I wish
I hadn't, all right, Andthen twenty twenty, very reluctantly voted for
Trump. Ye last time around.And I know you said you weren't going
to vote for him this time,but everything that's happened, including Saturday and
Joe Biden's debate performance, all that, Yeah, I think I would go
as far as say, you're okay, if Trump wins, would you be
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willing to vote for him? Isthere anything that could lead you to that
square where you know what, I'mvoting for Trump? You really want to
get me on the record again onthis, No, I'm not voting for
Donald Trump. I do actually believethat Donald Trump is measurably better than Joe
Biden. Okay, but I'm inthe camp that January sixth disqualified Trump and
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then he was willing to shred theconstitution and let people get hurt to try
to steal an election, and ifany part of me had been drifting toward
maybe I will consider voting for Trump. He ended it by picking jd Vance.
Oh okay, so that might haveaffected your decision. Let's say he
had gone with Doug Bergham. Youand I both wanted him or Nikki Haley.
But if he had done that,you'd still be open to it.
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Maybe maybe maybe Okay, But withremember and you noticed the reason that I
voted for Trump last time was becauseBiden picked Kamala Harris. And I knew
what that it meant. I knewit meant an administration that would be more
incompetent and more leftist than anybody thought. And that was right. And I
J Vance putting me on the spot. Of all the people that Trump was
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rumored to be considering or even almostconsidering, jd Vance was the one who
I thought, to me, isjust unacceptable. Two things for you,
Ross, I appreciate your time today, and I know you've done a lot
of work over the weekend here.But two things. Yeah, Trump's going
to win. Yes, it's goingto be and it's going to be okay.
America is going to be okay.I think. So. I don't
think Trump is some crazy threat todemocracy, Okay, thank you. I
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think all of this nonsense about himbeing a fascist and all that stuff pisses
me off, and I think hopefullyTrump will make some good decisions and will
be better than Okay, all right,
Start with protests against you, massiveprotests, organized protests by the left,
and then it moved to impeachment twiceright, and now indictment. I mean
the next stage is violence. Isare you worried that they're going to try
and kill you? Why wouldn't theytry and kill you? Honestly, they're
savage animals. They are people thatare sick, really sick. You have
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great people in the Democrat Party.You have great people that are Democrats.
Most of the people in our countryare fantastic and I'm representing everybody. I'm
not just Republican. But I've seenwhat they do. I've seen the lengths
that they go to. But thesepeople are sick people. These are people
that I think they hate our country. You want to know that truth your
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vice presidential pick. Are you close? I'm very close. I mean I'm
very close. Does it matter ifit's Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, or
someone else on the Democratic ticket interms of it's a woman, it's a
person of color, any of thosetypes of issues. Does it matter who
you choose? It's your vacate.You have people that are very smart people.
(01:03):
They say it does I say itdoesn't. They say, Oh,
it depends on what's going to happen. Who you're going to pick. I
don't think so you're going to picka great person. You're going to run
the other thing I've noticed if youlook, I don't want to belittle it
because it's a very important position,especially if something bad should happen. But
that's the most important, if somethingbad should happen, yea on top of
(01:29):
the roof. Look, Gary isright there, right there them. He's
playing. Yeah, he's playing downwhat's happening because we're going to make them
look because we have millions and inour country that dangerous we have. We
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have people that happened and then theworst president in the history of our country
took over. And look what happenedto our country, probably twenty million people.
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And you know that's a little bitold. That short that sharks a
couple of months old. And ifyou want to really see something, that
said, take a look at whathappened over their home. Hold. What
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are you ready on? You already? How comes here? Here? We
ready? We're good. Shoots down, I'll be good to know, we're
(03:20):
quiet's we're hard. Okay, we'regood. Let me get my shoe let
me get my shoes. I gotto let me get my shoes. Hold
on head the body, so wegotta go to the cluster. Let me
get my sole Tell wait, wait, wait for the power of audio.
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When you hear that montage and youcan only hear the sound Brian shuling with
you six point thirty k How thisMonday, July fifteenth, a historic weekend
for all the wrong reasons. Ahistoric day today and we'll talk about that
as well. Jd Vance, theSenator from Ohio, has been named as
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the vice presidential running mate for Presidentand future President Donald John Trump. And
this weekend, I mean, itfelt like a month went by since I
signed off with you on Friday.And on that day we were giving Kelly
a hard time for being an uptowngirl. And we went to Billy Joel
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that night, and I got totell you that feels like a month ago.
It was a remarkable concert. Itwas a lot of fun. Billy
Joel kind of made a joke duringthe performance. He was fumbling around with
like a music stand that I thinkwas holding his sheet music, and I
think I missed the first part ofit. Kelly might be able to help
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me out here and he said,I'm stumble around like Biden, and then
he added or like Trump, youknow, just trying to even it out.
But I think Billy Joel, who'sa lifelong Democrat and he's a liberal,
but he's not like a psycho likewe saw over the weekend. He's
not one of these that's Donald Trumpis an existential threat to democracy, whack
(05:53):
job like you know, Robert deNiro. He's not like that, but
he is left of center. ButI think he understands and understood in that
moment looking out at coors Field.I told Kelly this. I told Mandy
this. Mandy Connell's at that concertas well. If you were to pull
this whole audience at coors Field ofBilly Joel fans in attendance at that concert,
in that age group, that demographic, who do you think wins Trump
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or Biden in that crowd. I'mpretty sure Donald Trump would, and I'm
pretty sure Billy Joel knew that.But then fast forward to one day later,
and this Saturday, this past Saturdayis going to live on in our
minds and our hearts and our memoriesas a where were you on that day
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moment? And there's only a fewin one's lifetime. Nine to eleven certainly
qualifies. But the attempted assassination ofDonald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, you
will remember where you were and whoyou were with and what was happening on
that day, and I know Iwill. It has burned into my memory.
I was sitting at a dinner inearly dinner, late lunch, what
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do you want to call that inColorado Springs with Kelly, and Alexa was
there, and my good friend ChristianToto and Frandy was there, She's a
Colorado Springs native, and we're gettingready to go to Jimmy Fayla that night.
We would end up doing that.But I'm sitting there and I get
an update on my phone from afriend of mine who works in the government
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in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and shesays Trump has been shot. And I'm
looking at that, you know,it's such a jarring brief message that I
got, and I just looked upand I saw the faces at the rest
of the table. They were lookingover at me, and I go,
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Donald Trump's been shot. And I'llnever forget the looks on the faces of
Christian Toto, of Kelly, ofAlexa of Frandy and he was just like
jaw gape. You can't believe it. It's such a stunning development in that
moment, and you don't know allthe details. And then we're finding in
this new age of online media withTwitter and everything, kind of clips of
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videos in real time and what youheard obviously there the tail end of it
was Trump in the midst of hisspeech turning his head to motion to a
graphic. But for the grace ofGod, at that moment Donald Trump turned
his head. Had he not turnedhis head, if he was just stationary
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facing straight ahead to the audience ashe normally is, even with the teleprompters,
the bullet that grazed the top ofhis ear and a vander Holyfield at
him like Mike Tyson biting it off, it's about the same injury. Probably
would have went in the back ofhis skull and killed him. And there
was a man who died that day, a father, a girl, dad,
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And I thought Governor Josh Shapiro dida remarkable job in paying tribute to
that Maga Republican. And it needsto be said, because that was a
hero who protected his own family,his daughters and his wife who was a
fervent supporter of Donald Trump and whowas the very maga Republican that President Biden
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warned the rest of the country aboutwas a threat to democracy. And we
cannot let them off the hook forthat. Now. I'm as seething with
rage and anger as all of youprobably are right now. But it's time
to focus. We have to besmart about this. You have to think
like Michael Corleone, not Sonny.You can't just lash out. You can't
(09:35):
react in anger. You can't dosomething stupid. We don't want to be
like them. We don't want tobe like whatever. This twenty year old
you know, male content Lee HarveyOswald wanna be John Hinckley. Want to
me, he's probably in that samecategory. We're going to get a full
investigation, probably a psychological profile.All of that will come in time.
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But make no mistake, you know, there's the line in Total Eclipse of
the Heart living in a powder kegand giving off sparks. We've been living
in a powder keg for some time, and the Democrats and their pundits and
the show hosts, and the Presidenthimself and the Vice President have been not
(10:20):
only giving off sparks but providing ablowtorch at the powder keg, and I'm
going to go ahead and connect thosedots, Ben Shapiro. Others say,
well, it's always just the shooter'sfault. It is, but you will
always have a lunatic fringe that willbe motivated, that will be activated.
And if you tell them in themoment that this man, Donald Trump is
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Orange Hitler, that on the coverof the New Republic there is a morphing
of Trump's face with Adolf Hitler mustacheand all that, you say, he's
an existential threat to democracy and thatdemocracy will end if Donald Trump's elected.
He'll become a dick on day one, which of course is bastardizing his quote.
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You put that level of fear ina republic and somebody is gonna snap.
And I think part of them knewthat. Part of them was like,
well, if it happens, becauseI saw the reaction on X by
some real ghoulish, horrible people,sorry the shooter or missed that was trending,
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that was trending on X, Likeare you kidding you with that?
God forbid? And I start itthat way. If President Biden same thing
happened to him, I would decryit. I would condemn it in the
most strongest of terms, and Iwould expect everybody in my circle to do
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the exact same thing. Political violenceisn't just unacceptable now that it's happened,
It was unacceptable before Saturday as well. But Joe Biden doesn't care because he's
a even cynical, sad old man, and all he had to run on
was to stoke the fears of whatmight happen if he loses, because he
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can't run on what he's done inorder to win. He has to run
not to lose, and that's thebottom line. I know Kelly's reaching out,
and I think we have him onthe line. Confirmed Graham Dunn.
He is a retired swat sniper andan expert on this subject. He joins
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us now to break down what wentwrong on Saturday in Butler, Pennsylvania,
the breakdown in Secret Service protection whichled to the assassination attempt and really near
killing of President Donald J. Trump. Graham, thank you for joining the
show. Hi, Ryan, HappyMonday. Yeah, definitely a happier Monday
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than it was a Saturday. AndI have my own opinions, thoughts,
observations, but I want to seethis through your eyes. You observed what
you've processed in the time since theshooting. From your standpoint, what went
wrong and why did it go wrong? Yeah, so I have several perceptions.
One is somebody who conducts executive protectionon a regular basis, another is
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a former sniper, and another asa firem's instructor. When it comes to
the actual incident itself, it isabsolutely mind blowing to me that that roof
wasn't covered. When the Secret Servicedoes a reconnaissance of a new location is
very in depth. They have thewhole team that goes out ahead of time,
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videotapes the whole area, makes contacts, runs all the roots, photographs
everything. No stone has left unturned, and quite frankly, the Secret Service
is a gold standard when it comesto executive protection, and so I have
a hard time believing that they can'talready identify that rooftop is a threat.
So how it was left I'm watchedis absolutely mind blowing to me. You
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know, we're really lucky that theshooter wasn't actually a shooter, that he
didn't really know what he's doing,as you know, I mean, it
came within inches of being a fatalshot. I was looking at it from
a snacker perspective. I was thinking, if I was on that roof,
one hundred and thirty yards is aneasy shot for somebody knows what they're doing.
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And if you're looking at the humanhead, the average human head here's
some useless sniper trivia for you,is six inches by ten inches. So
I worked out the wind deflection onthat shot. If you look at the
flag above Trump, I would saythat it's a good ten mile an hour
full value wind going from left toright, and that should be approximately a
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three quarter of an inch deflection onthe round. So if you're thinking it
clipped his ear three quarters of aninch, it's not a big deviation.
But if that had been three quartersof an inch over, that could have
been a fatal shot. Graham Doneis our guest. He is also the
author of The Jagged Blue Line.It's available right now on Amazon Kindle and
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within days hard copies will be availableon the Amazon website. Writ Large.
As he mentioned, he's a localfirearms instructor. He provides executive security for
high value targets, and he workswith the Secret Service itself. So Graham,
I mean you have first hand experiencewith this. Take us through.
Let's say you were assigned to theButler, Pennsylvania site, the radius,
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the perimeter, who's responsible for what? What are you looking for to make
sure things are buttoned down? Walkus through that if you could, please,
right, So, you'll have ateam fly out in anticipation and depending
how many people there are, everybody'sgonna have a sigence. So one assigned
would be to run all the roots, videotape the roots, videotape the entrances,
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take photographs to share with everybody ata briefing later. Another would be
somebody's gonna have to make contacts withall the local officials, police departments,
hospitals, emergency rooms, anything that'sin the area. I know there's going
to be a team that contacts anypotential threats. People who are on the
radar are already on top of that, just people boots on the ground who
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are out there taking a look around. So I have no doubt that the
recom was thorough because the Secret Serviceor second to no when it comes to
doing reconnaissance on locations, and theyhave teams that go ahead and take care
of that. How the ball wasdropped afterwards. I don't know. Now
I'm being told, like everybody is, that it was local law enforcements responsibility,
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and that may be true. Butstill it's not like they were downtown
Manhattan and you've got hundreds of windowsyou've got to care about. You have
a very open area with just acouple of potential threats, a couple of
areas where anybody with a little bitof training can look around and go that
rooftop could be a problem. Howis it, even if it's not the
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local law enforcements, even if it'slocal lawnforce and jurisdiction, how is it
some of our Secret Service can go, you know, we need to put
a guy on that roof just incase, or to make sure that they're
putting somebody on that roof something tothat effect. That's where the ball was
drops. Graham Dunn is our guestand again walking through what happened in the
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attempted assassination of Donald Trump this Saturdayin Butler, Pennsylvania. One of the
things that's being talked about. DanBongino I consider to be a foremost expert
on the subject as well. Hewas a Secret Service officer and shares a
lot of the same perspectives that youdo, Graham. I don't necessarily want
to get political about this, butI really want to evaluate it from a
left brain standpoint about we saw severalsmaller female officers who probably weren't as strong,
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They certainly weren't as tall. Andwe know that the Director Kim Cheadle
of the Secret Service had said thatdiversity equity inclusion that it was going to
be a priority for her to hirethirty percent of the workforce of the Secret
Service to be female age. Doyou think it has to be something like
brain surgery being a pilot where ithas to be a complete meritocracy, And
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if you have somebody like brand ofpart from Game of Thrones, a woman
who can fulfill all the tasks andqualifications just as a man would, I'm
totally fine with that. But whenyou adjust or lower the bar for a
Secret Service agent in such a highcapacity responsibility protecting an asset like the former
president of the United States, canwe afford to have DEI incorporated into that
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equation? Well, I'm one hundredpercent with you, and I can guarantee
that our enemies are not caring aboutDA why or whatever it is they're picking
the best people for the job.So it's the same concerns that I have
about the US military today. Andyou know, being a former marine,
I know for fact that people arebeing put in positions who are not physically
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able to run those positions. So, yeah, I saw the same video
you did. I saw an agentwhere she's trying to holster her weapons.
She tries several times and she can'tget the gun in the holster and she
gives up. I saw another femaleSecret Service agent where she's literally muzzling the
back of six SWAT officers, notjust for a second, for an extended
period of time. And on topof that, I hate to say it,
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but you can just look at someof these people and say that they're
not physically fit. And you evenfat people don't like fat cops. They
want to see people are in shape. So, you know, the thing
is is that obviously the standards arebeing dropped, and obviously there's a training
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issue. From my perspective as afarms instructor, those are very basic things
that people at day one students shouldbe able to understand. The concept of
not pointing your gun at friendlies,the concept of being able to get the
gun back in the holster rather thanfumbling around trying to get it in there
not being able to final question,Graham, and your information has been highly
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valuable and kind of adding perspective toall of this. But where it goes
from here? Obviously we don't wantto see this ever happen again to any
protected asset that's a former current presidentof the United States, whoever it is
that's under the Secret Service protection.But what needs what questions need to be
answered in your mind as an investigationunfolds. The FBI has taken this up,
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and what needs to change about theprotection detail for Donald Trump between now
and November and if he wins electiongoing forward as president? Well, I
really think that the need to droptheir egos as supervisors and just have a
put everything on, all the deadcats on the table, look at and
go who screwed up? Did Iscrew up? Did somebody else screw up?
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Where did we screw up? Andmaybe scrap everything. You know,
way back, I was a SWATofficer when Combine happened, and that's what
we did after that happened. Webasically met up as a team and we
went through everything and we go.You know, the tactics we use,
they don't work. This is anew animal. Let's throw everything out the
window and start from scratch, andthey really need to do the same thing.
And you know, I saw todaythat they're going to Trump asked for
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protection for RFK, and I dida protection detail for RFK earlier this year
when he came to town. Andthe ultimate irony of that is that the
whole reason that candidates get Secret Serviceprotection is because Rfk's dad was assassinated.
Yeah, he's not getting protection fromthe Secret Service. And they won't even
give him a reason why. Somehowhe's a threat to their party when it
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gets political. I mean, that'sjust unacceptable. And I believe there's some
detail. Trump had publicly requested SecretService protection I think as late as today
for RFK, and that may havebeen granted. But again it would be
a decision was just made today tofollow up on that during the break.
But you can follow up see hisbook, The Jagged Blue Line. You
can find that on Amazon Kindle atAmazon dot com. The hard copy edition
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will be available soon, I thinkby the end of the month. We're
just very happy be joined right nowby retired swat sniper and he is a
current firearms instructor A Graham Dunn joiningus to ed perspective to the assassination attempt
on Donald Trump over the weekend.Graham, thank you so much for your
time and your contributions to the show. Thanks, Ryan, take care all
right, Looking forward to that nextconversation too. If you have comments on
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what you heard from Graham, sendthose along text form five seven seven three
nine, Start them Ryan. TheGOLP convention has begun. Donald Trump is
officially the candidate for the Republican Partyand JD Vance, Senator Ohio is his
pick for vice president. We'll talkabout all of that with Ross Kaminski Koa
coming up next. Ryan, shulingwith you on six thirty K How and
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you. I'm getting from a numberof sources that people are feeding to me.
They're information obviously because they want tofix it. They're concerned that.
I think you're going to see alot of whistleblowers. I'm hearing there were
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very very few. I don't wantto give an exact number, but very
few. Actually, I don't thinkanyone else reported this. Actual secret service
post standers at that site that theywere temp HSI Homeland Security folks, which
are they're great folks. I'm notknocking them, but that's not what they
do specifically be due protection and we'retrained for that. So I'm hearing that.
I'm also hearing that the counter sniperteam that they had a problem seeing
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over the elevation. That's why Ididn't engage right away. Come on,
but that's not the problem. Theproblem, well it's the problem, but
that's not the real The problem iswhere the hell was the aerial visual support?
Why was there no helicopter, Whywas there no drone? Why was
there no flear? Why was thereno thermal forward looking in for red?
How the hell is the crowd actingas the freaking counter surveillance. I know
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if that's the best asset you haveis random Trump supporters. And that's Dan
Bongino, who I hope is thenext director of the Secret Service and a
Trump administration with Jesse Waters pointing outthe flaws and what happened that day and
joining me. Now, Ross Komenskifrom KOA, he's only been working a
few hours here and there. Infact, we got a text for you
or Ross says, this is Ross'sfamily. Can you please ask him to
(25:00):
come home? Where you miss seeinghim? They're hearing you everywhere. Uh
huh uh huh. My wife's inMexico and one of my kids is in
Australia yea, and my other kidis getting on a plane to Austin in
a few hours, so I'll beall alone and my family will not have
to worry about me. I wantto thank you because Dave Tepper, our
boss, had reached out. Iwas in the Springs going to see Jimmy
Fayla to come in an anchor livecoverage. Ross did this, he tells
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me, uninterrupted for three hours overon KOA. So I guess take me
back, Ross. I had mentionedin my opening segment, this is one
of those days that I think you'regonna it's gonna be a where were you
that moment? And I'm never goingto forget it. Yeah, where were
you when you found out? Whatwas your initial reaction? So? I
was doing some work on a junkieold house that we bought. I was
working on some sprinkler lines and afriend of mine texted me and said,
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did you see that Trump was shot? And I thought he was maybe joking,
but this isn't not the kind ofguy to make some kind of joke
like that, right, And Iwent online and saw the news like,
oh boy, and I ran hometo start looking at the news, and
then, as you said, Teppercalled and I came in. You and
I both lived pretty close to thestation, and you know, it was
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interesting watching this stuff. I'll tellyou that the very first things that occurred
to me that are then occurring toother people later on the fact that he's
probably only alive because he turned hishead to the right, and that it
is unbelievable. It is, andso that's just kind of miraculous. And
then of course what a massive securityfail it was. At this point,
(26:30):
it seems like we've got Secret Serviceand local PD pointing fingers at each other,
saying whose responsibility it was. Andthen a thing that you and I
were just talking about off the air, and I'm not sure if you already
mentioned on your show, but thefact that when he was surrounded by Secret
Service people and they were standing himup to start moving him out, the
person between him and the main partof the crowd was a woman who is
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much shorter than all the other agents, and you could see his head and
then he says weight and he doesthe pump fist and the whole iconic thing.
But I was thinking to myself,why is there a five foot six
person or whatever that lady is there? And that's going to be a hard
question asked of the head of theSecret Service. There's a lot of questions
that need to be answered in theinvestigation that will follow. But before we
(27:15):
go to break here, Ross,I really wanted to get your take on
how you think this fundamentally changes therace people's perception of Trump going into the
convention. He survived an assassination attempt. What are your thoughts along those lines.
So, first, just the sortof iconicness of standing up and pumping
the fist is something that's going tobe on a lot of people's minds in
(27:37):
a positive way for Trump. Theother thing I think is that the presence
of mind to do that, whetherhis goal was just to show the crowd
that he was safe, or whetherhis goal was you know, I'm the
consummate showman and I'm going to keepputting on a show a little bit,
We're both right. Whatever it was, he had the presence of mind to
do that in the most intense situationthat any human being will ever be in,
(28:04):
short of war, and that's prettyclose to war it is, And
I think you put that in comparisonwith what just happened in the debate,
and you think about Joe Biden's lackof presence of mind, and I think
the fact that Donald Trump was ableto think of that and do that reminds
(28:25):
everybody even more that regardless of whatyou think on a policy basis, in
a true sense, Trump is fitto do the job and Biden isn't.
Literally there, as Ross says,we'll take this break, we'll come back.
We'll get Ross's thoughts on the VPpick it is Senator jd Vance,
Ohio. And where the needle ison the American public finger on the pulse
(28:48):
time? Where does this send thepolls? And does Donald Trump? Is
he on his way to victory asa result of what happened Saturday this break,
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and now it's gone at this keypolitical moment. I mean it's almost as
(30:18):
if if Donald Luck has this luckyrabbits foot and it's part of Donald Luck.
Did I say Buck, I meanI did? I mean it is
Donald Luck right right right? Imean if you look at all of his
wins, everything that has happened,even the assassination temp on Saturday, like,
he has been able to gain strengthfrom this. And I do think
that again, this is another hugeloss for Democrats right now, because you
(30:41):
know, they're looking for Donald Trumpto be taken out, whether it's through
the judicial system or whether it's fromthe ballot box. You know, they
don't want to see him back inoffice. Now. Some of the more
kind of craven types wouldn't mind theassassination. I think that their rhetoric back
set up. Back with Ross Kamenskyreal quick, closing things out here in
our one, Judge Eileen has dismissedthe document's case against Donald Trump and Florida.
(31:03):
So everything's coming up. Trump theteflon Don and he picks jd Vance
to be his running mate. Abit of trivia, Ross Kaminski, what
can you tell us, Well,you had asked when we were going,
when we were in that breaks,you said jd Vance is thirty nine years
old. You had asked me,has there ever been a younger vice president?
I was thinking, you know,maybe sometime very early in the history
(31:25):
of our Republicans. But it turnsout there's only been one vice president who
was younger than forty years old.His name was John Breckinridge, it is,
and he was the vice president forJames Buchanan, who some people think
was the worst president of American history. Probably was, and it probably was.
And John Breckinridge served in the UnitedStates Senate but was expelled after joining
(31:51):
the Confederate Army. And he wasthe Confederate Secretary of War in eighteen sixty
five. So there you go.I think Jdvans can do better than that.
So we'll see what happened from here, I hope. So the Vance
pick, We've got to go realquick here. But I think it is
not only impeachment insurance, but perhapsassassination insurance. And you got to look
at things this way after Saturday,and that might be the reason why he
(32:15):
was picked. In other words,Ross the Democrats aren't going to be in
a hurry to eject Trump, toinsert veg, insert many, right to
insert many. That's certainly part ofit. I also think this part will
be sound a little more negative,a little more cynical, But I think
of all the people who Trump wasconsidering, Vance would be the one least
likely to push back on Trump.If Trump were going to try to do
(32:37):
something unconstitutional or illegal, I thinkVance will give him the least resistance.
The other thing that I think isinteresting if I think that Donald Trump is
thinking about his legacy in terms ofkeeping the kind of make America Great Again
policy platforms going past his presidency,and that's a fine thing to think about.
(33:00):
And to that extent, he probablythinks, although four years and some
months is a freaking eternity, thatthe leading Republicans next time around could well
be Ron De Santis and Nikki Haleypotentially. And I think he thinks that
those two, especially Haley, whowould be probably the strongest candidate, you
(33:21):
know, if we're redoing it rightnow without Trump, would want to undo
a lot of what he did,what Trump whatever Trump is going to do
right So, I think he thinkshe's giving a boost to a guy who
can then run for president in twentytwenty eight and maintain the Trump train.
That's exactly what I think, aswell, now, Ross, you and
I have talked about this in myentire time here in Denver. You didn't
(33:44):
vote for Trump in twenty sixteen,YEP, voted for Gary Johnson. I
voted for the other libertarian, althoughhe kind of fooled me and I wish
I hadn't, all right, Andthen twenty twenty, very reluctantly voted for
Trump. Ye last time around.And I know you said you weren't going
to vote for him this time,but everything that's happened, including Saturday and
Joe Biden's debate performance, all that, Yeah, I think I would go
as far as say, you're okay, if Trump wins, would you be
(34:06):
willing to vote for him? Isthere anything that could lead you to that
square where you know what, I'mvoting for Trump? You really want to
get me on the record again onthis, No, I'm not voting for
Donald Trump. I do actually believethat Donald Trump is measurably better than Joe
Biden. Okay, but I'm inthe camp that January sixth disqualified Trump and
(34:28):
then he was willing to shred theconstitution and let people get hurt to try
to steal an election, and ifany part of me had been drifting toward
maybe I will consider voting for Trump. He ended it by picking jd Vance.
Oh okay, so that might haveaffected your decision. Let's say he
had gone with Doug Bergham. Youand I both wanted him or Nikki Haley.
But if he had done that,you'd still be open to it.
(34:49):
Maybe maybe maybe Okay, But withremember and you noticed the reason that I
voted for Trump last time was becauseBiden picked Kamala Harris. And I knew
what that it meant. I knewit meant an administration that would be more
incompetent and more leftist than anybody thought. And that was right. And I
J Vance putting me on the spot. Of all the people that Trump was
(35:13):
rumored to be considering or even almostconsidering, jd Vance was the one who
I thought, to me, isjust unacceptable. Two things for you,
Ross, I appreciate your time today, and I know you've done a lot
of work over the weekend here.But two things. Yeah, Trump's going
to win. Yes, it's goingto be and it's going to be okay.
America is going to be okay.I think. So. I don't
think Trump is some crazy threat todemocracy, Okay, thank you. I
(35:36):
think all of this nonsense about himbeing a fascist and all that stuff pisses
me off, and I think hopefullyTrump will make some good decisions and will
be better than Okay, all right,
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