December 11, 2025 • 33 mins
'Holly' reached out to Ryan for a platform to tell her side of the story as it pertains to her experience with Victor Marx. She contends she was never a victim of trafficking or sexual abuse, but an intermediary claims otherwise and connected her to Marx in order to rescue her from her alleged abuser. She describes her turbulent journey, in her own words.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Victon, I lean marks here with all things possible ministries,
and uh, we've been telling everyone that we have a
big announcement today and this is it. Recently, many of
you know, I had brain scan. It's done because of
some physical challenges that I've been having.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And simply put, after two days of testing, the specialists
came back and let me know that on I scoted
one to four.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I was a three plus four being severe brain. That
is it trauma and trauma. Okay, So yeah, so I've
been trying to tell him that for well the truth, Well,
I've been trying to tell you I have the brain. Yes,
we know that now we do. It's official and has
(00:59):
some trauma too, so you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That from October twenty sixteen, a little over the nine
years ago, and part of a Facebook video that Victor
and Eileen Marx posted to announce that they would be
taking their ministry to Iraq. Lots of developing news in
real time that I want to pass along for you.
I'll start forward and then work my way back from there.
(01:23):
Victor Marx is scheduled to join me next Tuesday at
eight am right here on six point thirty k How
so you can mark that down on your schedule. Also,
Mandy Connell of KOA and yours truly have been tasked
with moderating and upcoming debate a Republican governor candidate forum
that will be taking place on Saturday, January tenth, between
(01:47):
one thirty and three thirty pm here in the Mountain
time zone at the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley at
Lincoln Park. Now again just real time updates here. Most
of the prominent Canada dates have agreed to appear, including
Barb Kirkmeyer, Greg Lopez, Jason Mike sel Mark Baisley, and
(02:08):
still waiting on word I believe is Sheriff Steve Raems
from Wild County who's putting this all together. From Representative
Scott Bottoms. I just saw an update from Victor himself
saying that he had a previously scheduled event and would
not be able to take part, to which Barb Kirkmeyer replied,
is he available the following weekend? Quote, because I, for
(02:29):
one would be willing to adjust my schedule so he
can all be.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Part of the forum. Unquote.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That's from Senator Barb Kirkmeyer joining us now. She reached
out to me and she has a story to tell,
and I'm going to let her tell it in her
own words. Her name is Holly, and she joins us. Now, Polly,
thank you for your time.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Holly, take us through your interaction with Victor Marx and
how he came into your life.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
So it all starts with one person just recovering. And
after that I got back home and they just started
coming around me, like I barely knew this woman, and
she would come around me, offering me these courses because
she's an aesthetician and she does these facials and stuff.
(03:20):
And yeah, she's getting really close to me, like overly close,
saying like all this.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Okay, Holly, gotta stop you right there.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
We're on live radio, and so the SEC prohibits us
from the use of profanity, so I just want to
remind you of that. You might not have known that beforehand,
but go ahead and continue, Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But yeah, that happened. And then she tells me that
she's been talking to my mother, who she doesn't know,
and she said she wanted to go for a drive.
So we went for a drive and she said, are
you okay? And I said why would Like I'm thinking,
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why would she say I'm okay, Like what what information
is she getting? So I say, yes, I'm okay, and
these people they completely switched it around. I'm in a relationship,
an aged gap relationship, and nobody seems to get like
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my truth. Like they keep saying that I'm grooming, I'm
being groomed and all this, and I wanted, I wanted
it to stop, and it didn't stop. They kept saying
all these lies. And then they mentioned Victor Or they
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mentioned that they'd get me help. I was counseling and everything,
and I said sure, okay, because I didn't I didn't
have anyone around, so it was just like okay. And
then then she uh, And then I said, I don't
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like this. She manipulated me into breaking my phone so
I couldn't get a hold of Less. My partner can
get a hold of him. She said he's got it
rigged and saying all these lies right, trying to make
me feel like something's wrong, like I'm in a bad situation.
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But little did I know that was the tip of
the iceberg.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So Holly, let me just ask a question real quick.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Here, were you having any problems at home with your mother?
You mentioned Less? Was he at the time dating your mother.
Was he merely worried to your mother? Was he your stepfather?
What was the nature of that relationship at that time?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Yes, they were together, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Were there problems.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
But not at the time that I got with him.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Were there problems though with your mom, let's say, in
the household, whether it was with her or with him,
or anything that you would a term to be problematic
that you might need help with.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Well, I don't want to get too into it, but
I did have problems at home with my dad. He
had PTSD and a lot of issues, and then my mom,
she was an alcoholic, and I needed, like I needed someone.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
He was there, Holly, Where is your biological father and
all of this?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Is he deceased? Is he around? Is he out of
your life? Is he in your life?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
We do not live together. He's in Ocean Falls.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And that's that's in British Columbia. Yes, okay, okay, go
ahead and continue.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You said you had met up with your neighbor, this woman,
and that she was trying to get you help, trying
to get you counseling, and she.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Said, okay, counseling. It was they completely manipulated me. I
said I wanted to leave first of all, I said,
I don't like this. I wanted to leave her place.
And she said, no, no, you need to see this
this person. You need to see this man, and he
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can help you. He's the only one that can help you.
That's what she.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Said, talking about Victor Marx.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yep, okay, Victor Marx. And then she mentioned him. I said,
who is he? I don't even know who this man is,
and then said all that he's a humanitarian, all this
stuff that he helps, like traffic. Woman, I'm not trafficked.
For one, I was never trafficked. That was a complete,
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fabricated lie that they created. It's all things possible ministries. No,
I was not trafficked at all.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Did Victor have reason to believe that you had been
trafficked though, based on the information he was given?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Pardon?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Did Victor Marx have reason to believe that you had
been trafficked based on the information he was given and
how it was presented to him?
Speaker 5 (08:51):
She made up complete lies. She said that I was
with him when I was fifteen years old, and that
is not the case at all. All right, She made
it seem that he's a pedophile, he's not.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Holly is our guest, and she has had a past
interaction with Victor Marx. Now I'm trying to kind of
Honey in Holly on when that arrangement began. You mentioned
this neighbor woman that helped connect the two of you.
But if you would take us from there in your
story and what your encounter with Victor Marx, what.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
That was like for you.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
My encounter with Victor Marx at first, he seemed very
nice at first. At first, he seemed nice, he seemed
well spoken, but he took a video of me that
I did not think that he would post on everywhere.
I did not agree to that at all. And then
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they manipulated me to the point where I had to say, yes,
I could not leave or I had nowhere to go,
had nowhere to get a hold of him, couldn't call
the police because they had me in their house.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Who's house.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
House?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Okay, so you're still in British Columbia at this point,
is what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yes, okay, they're setting up me going to Colorado and
everything like that, Right, So I agree at this point
because I'm pretty much I wouldn't say taken against my
will but A sure, it sure feels like it. I
was manipulated to the point where I had to say yes,
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and I was quite upset about that. But anyway, they
drive me to Colowna, and that's where I meet them,
Eileen and Victor Marx, and they they were really nice,
really polite, and I didn't think anything of it. I
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thought I was I was gonna get the help I needed.
But that was a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So you come to Colorado at that point with Victor
and Eileen Marx, Is that correct, Holly, Yes, Okay, take
us from there and exactly what went down, what happened,
what the transpired from there.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
So basically we drove down, we we went to the border.
They got a bunch of souvenirs from Canada to make
it seem like they were Taurus in a way, so
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it didn't look anything suspicious, which I thought was a
red flag. And then and then what I thought was
strange was someone knew them from the border. They're like, oh,
you're Victor Marx. And I personally, nobody that I known
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knew who Victor was at all. Putting that out there
right now, So I think I'm not saying it's fact.
I'm saying I thought it was set up. And then
they get me to talk to someone at the counter,
saying that they're trying to get because they were suspicious
of the of souvenirs.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
They're just like, this is strange. They have a girl
and they're taking her to Colorado for what. So they
get me to talk and say that her boyfriend were
trying to get him away from him. And I tried
saying something, but I would have no I would have
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no way, Like I I'm scared of these people from the.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Get go, Like.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I was scared.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
What about them made you scared?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Hollie Just I can't even explain it. I know how
to read people, and I didn't get a good vibe
from them.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I really didn't, Holly.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
When the police escorted you to take your belongings out
of Less's house, what happened to lead up to the
police being contacted.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
In order to do that, they had me make a statement,
make a statement on what happened and everything else. I
did not put Less under the bus or any or
anything at all. I didn't talk anything about him because
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what they said about him was not true at all.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Holly is our guest and she is describing what connected
her to Victor and Eileen Marx. Now, I really want
to focus here, Holley, when we have a few minutes
left on what happened once you got to Colorado and
the help that Victor and Eileen were trying to provide
for you, How that went, and how you felt about that.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Okay, So when I got there, everything was fine. It
seems normal. They said, they get me counseling and all this.
What didn't make sense to me were the guns and
that he was part of a ministry and they tried
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getting me to use guns and all this stuff. I said, no,
I don't want to do that. And I said I
they just kept taking videos of me and saying that, oh,
we're getting the help she needs. They did not get
me the help I needed at all.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
What was the nature of these videos, Holly? And how
old were you when they were taking these videos of you?
Speaker 5 (14:53):
I was eighteen years old.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, so you're an adult, all right. So why were
they taking these videos of you?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Do you think?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I think they were taking those videos of me to
get to get money from from their donations so that
they claim that they have and to exploit young women
for views and to like make it seem that like,
oh this poor girl, help her, like I didn't need
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to be I didn't need to be helped. What on
earth did they think that an eighteen year old out
of the psych word, a month out of the psych
word was a good idea to take her across the border.
And you know what what's really messed up about this
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is that was paid for it. She was paid for
I was sold to Victor mart. They got money from this.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
From my suffering, Holly, what actual help?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
You mentioned the videos that were taken and Victor Nileen
are publicizing that they're getting you help that you need.
What actual help did they provide for you when you
were in their care?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
They didn't provide anything, so you.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Just stayed with them. How would you describe your experience?
They're what you just woke up? Did they feed you,
they clothed you, Did you provide you with shelter? Did
they get you any kind of counseling services anything like that.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
They fed me and they bought me new clothes or
whatever because they said that I couldn't have like my
old clothes were too inappropriate, which they weren't made me
who I was? Whatever, And there wasn't any counselors, any
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counselors that I didn't want.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
To talk to.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I didn't talk to because they didn't trust them. I
didn't trust any of them.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Do you think that Victor and Eileen Marx were genuinely
trying to help you?
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Now, why not?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Because I believe that they exploit people for donations. And
I'll keep saying it and use that against like everything,
like I'm trying to make sense, like it's for donations,
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Like they exploit women for money. When they don't want
to be videoed, they video you. They don't care. And
when I said I didn't want to be videoed anymore,
that's when they the atch stopped. That's when they were
very rude.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I'm gonna go a little bit long in this segment,
so those of you that are listening on the podcast
you can tune in.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
For that in over the year. Here will go to
break as soon as we can.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So just to clarify that, Holly, what happened to precipitate
you leaving the Marks compound or residence or wherever you
were staying with them? How did you how did you leaving?
How did that happen.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Have that happen. I I got a hold of Blessed.
I got a hold of someone that could get me
out because they would not let me go home.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Do you feel like you were being held against your
will or were you free to leave at any time?
You're an adult at that point.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Right now, I feel like I was being held against
my will. They had my ID, they had everything. It
took what two months? Three months? Three months to get
me back home. And I will tell you all about that.
It was El Paso County Sheriff's Department, and Less had
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made a call saying that he hasn't heard from me,
hasn't heard a thing from me in months, weeks even,
and he put out a missing person's on me, claiming
that anyone who has seen this woman to call nine
one one because these people would not let me go.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Holly.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
In the midst of that, did you have a confrontation
with Victor about wanting to leave?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Oh? I did. I said I don't want any more
videos or pictures taken of me. I want to leave now.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And what was his response to you when you said that?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
And he said, okay, but it should have not have
taken that long. I'm sorry, but like that's unacceptable. They
have all this money, they should have easily gotten me home,
but they wanted to make more money off the videos
they were taking of me without my permission and posting
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videos of Less as well, claiming that he's a pedophile
when they know nothing about him, only what Anastasia had
said about him.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Were there any confrontations between you and either Victor or
Arlene that you would say had gotten heated and that
they were trying to get you to stay? Was there
yelling involved anything like that?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
They had me monitored with the WiFi and who I
would who I would talk to. They said I could
not talk to Less or speak to him. I didn't care. No,
you're not going to tell me what to do. This
is my life. I didn't. I didn't agree to this
at all. I thought it was counseling. I thought I
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didn't think it was like it was the thing for trafficking,
for trafficked women. I wasn't trafficked.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I was in a relationship, and you maintained that you
are still in that relationship to this this day with
Less correct.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I'm not answering any of that.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Did Victor Marx ever raise his voice to.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You, Oh yeah, he did in what way?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
He said that I had Stockholm syndrome and he's threatened
my dad. Okay, I was talking to my uncle Phil
and and then I uh, and then he took like
he's like he was worried about me. My uncle was
worried about me, and so he wanted to call. So
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he's just like, I hope you're safe and all this,
and like he straight up said he doesn't trust Victor,
and and then Victor snatched the computer and then he said,
I'll kill you, you pet aphile, I'll kill you and less combined,
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he threatened my uncle that has nothing that he doesn't
know anything about.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Our guest, Holly and describing her experience, her interaction, her
account of events with Victor Marx. Final word here for you, Holly,
because we do have to cut our conversation short. What
do you want our listeners to know about Victor Marx,
the man that you believe that he is in the
experience that.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
You had with him.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I believe that he's the trafficker himself. And I would
like to say one thing before we end this call.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Victor.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I know you're listening to this broadcast. Your time for
honoring yourself is over. Even your God can't help you
out of this one, seriously like you can't. The truth
will come out about you, and that's that you're an exploiter,
You're a fraud in your coward and there's so much
proof to that. So that's what I have to say, Holly.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I know you've been through a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I thank you for your time today and I appreciate
you joining us. Thank you, best of luck to you,
Happy holidays, Merry Christmas as well. A difficult conversation to
be sure, and Victor Marx himself will appear with me
next Tuesday at eight a m.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
You can stay tuned for that. A late break. We're
back after this on six point thirty k How.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Well your response and reaction at five seven, seven thirty nine,
No surprise coming in fast and furious. I have been
in communication with the woman in question that Holly alleges
connected her under false pretenses to Victor Marx, and and
she will be appearing on the program at some point
in the future. Trying to work on that. Victor Marx
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is schedule to join me on Tuesday eight am. We'll
get to your text and I'll try to kind of
fill in the blanks on what you just heard. Following
each of these, Ryan, is that can it be a
warning or a fine by you addressing the swear words?
Does it notify any FCC actions? I had Jesse dump
the first one. It's difficult when she went to the
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second one, couldn't grab that one, so had to step
in there. You know, there was not intent behind it,
and certainly not by your yours truly the host and
a lot of times people that are not experienced with
the concept of on air radio. Never mind the fact
that she's Canadian and not American, so they have different laws, rules,
regulations there as well.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
You know, I do the best that can.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It's live radio, and my apologies for anything that went
out over the year that should not have Ryan Wow,
great interview, great guests that swears and can't carry a
train of thought. Drop the victim, Mark's bashing garbage, he
can't win, not bashing him. I'm telling you this young
lady reached out to me and wanted to have her
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story be heard.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Now what you.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Make of that, that is up eye of the beholder,
ear of the beholder, up to the listener, and up
to you to parse through and to make your own
decision and draw your own conclusion. My apologies. Please make
Holly your guest, explain who she is, who they are. Yeah,
there were a lot of those pronouns. It was just
happening so rapid fire again in real time. You know,
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this is not my first rodeo dealing with a person
who may or may not according to her being a
victim of abuse, is my opinion, having dealt with people
like this in the past. In my coverage of the
Larry Nassar scandal, for example, there was a young lady
that was vehemently defending Larry Nasser and the procedures that
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he was doing, insisting that they were helping her. But
she had been gasling into oblivion. She was in a position,
I believe, of defending him because she felt she had
no other choice. I brought her in live in my
studio in Lancing, Michigan, and pretty much handled the way
that you just heard. You know, I'm not going to
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jump down this young woman's throat and start confronting her,
but just gently, again with respect, try to steer the
interview in a sensible direction. Again not easy, It's not easy,
but by the end of the interview I'm describing back
in Lancing with this young woman who was victimized by
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Larry Nasser. She I just got her to thinking like,
did that seem appropriate? The mesh procedure he described that
he was performing on you. And the more that I
kind of again gently let her come to her own conclusions,
I think the more clarity she had. By the end
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of the Larry Nasser prosecution, I had connected that young
lady her names, I can say it now. She came
out publicly Valerie Web. I connected her with Angipovilitis, who
was a bulldog of a prosecutor in that case. You
probably saw her on the national news. You remember probably
Judge Rose Marie Aquallina, and I had a very strong
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relationship with her as well. But I was working hand
in glove, very directly with Anngipovilitis, and Angie came to
me with some doubts and suspicions about Valerie Web because
she goes, we can't have one loose cannon in this
whole case. I understand that Valerie really wants to testify,
and she ended up doing that in the courtroom, confronting
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Larry Nasser directly to his face with a victim impact statement.
And I think that was a tremendous journey that she
was on. It was not an easy one for her,
and it certainly wasn't for me, but women who are
victims of abuse. And this is where I really wanted
to again gently push back on what could Victor Marx
have possibly known when this woman was young, woman was
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presented to him, and if he truly wanted to help her,
and if he truly believed and there was evidence that
she was being abused by this man, that he was
going to do everything in his power to help her,
including bringing her to the United States and to Colorado.
So what I heard, I don't know that I can
really question Victor Marx's motives in.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
All of this.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
But it's a difficult endeavor, as you might imagine, you
are dealing with damaged children and the psychology psychology of that.
It's on a very elite level just being able to
communicate at all with a victim of abuse, especially one
that is in sheer denial of that or has Stockholm syndrome.
She said those very words that Victor told her, you
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have Stockholm syndrome. Might that be true? Well, again, I'll
let you draw your own conclusions, but based on my experience,
you know, victims often have a very difficult time coming
to terms with the reality of the situation, the horror
of that, the absolute evil of it.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
It's a lot to.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Comprehend, Ryan, I meant slander, But nonetheless, that's one of
those interviews that you should have pre recorded and vetted. Well,
you know, say what you will. Everybody's got a version
of their own events and their own story, and their
credibility is tied to it and how they present what
they believe to be the facts.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
A lot of a response to this. Let me see here.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
My apologies and I don't like Victor Marx, but this
Holly sounds like a nutbar to me. Sorry, Ryan, how
does it feel to be doctor phil right now? I
am finding her very difficult to take seriously because she
seems very unstable. I think your story was difficult to follow.
And again, what I was trying to do is in
real time, try to go through chronological order, geographical order.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Of what happened, just what happened here?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Why did she want to reach out, why did she
want to share this story with all of you?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
And what was the point and the purpose of that.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
A couple more texts we'll get to when we come
back five seven, seven, three nine. Wrapping up on this
Thursday edition, Ryan Shuling Live. After this, well, let's go
to this text from Patty. She's not being petty here,
wrapping up Ryan Schuling Live on this Thursday. You didn't
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see that coming, did you. No, Jesse didn't either. He's
over there, still stunned.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Ryan.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
While that last segment was a wild ride, I'm sure
somewhere in the middle is the truth. None of this
reflects well for Marx. Too much drama with this guy.
Some people aren't aware of how much they thrive on drama.
He is too much Well, he is embarked upon again.
I would say this for all of time in memoriam,
that it's a difficult mission to Again, the psychological part
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of this. With women, children who are trafficked, who are abused,
there is just a state of mind. They are wounded,
and that's a totally different animal in terms of how
you handle that in not just the logistics of getting
a woman or a child out of danger, but then
how do you handle the aftermath of that. The PTSD,
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the very real post traumatic stress of that it is
not easy and it's not for the faint of heart. Ryan,
I've said this for the first time I heard about Marx,
and only a fool would want him as a Republican
candidate in Colorado. Ryan, thank you for explaining Holly's situation.
I truly appreciate it. You give everybody a chance to
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speak again, That's why I like your show. Really appreciate
that text, and that's what I'm going for here. You know,
the earlier Texter joked about doctor fel but there's an
element of an interview like that. It's totally different. Yeah,
and you might notice, like when I interview a comedian,
totally different style. Right, it's banter, it's back and forth,
it's hey, what about this? Holly was a totally different category.
(32:02):
And it's not an easy thing to do. But I
do believe those conversations are important, and I believe it's
equally important that Victor Marks be given the opportunity to
address anything and everything that Holly had to say in
that segment with me. Ryan, that interview with Holly was bizarre,
but so is Victor Mark, says, Donna hard to know
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where the truth lies. Glad that you're interviewing him next week.
But why are you doing another week of the early
show if you're staying on the afternoon too, Donna, I'm
burning the candle at both ends. It's Mania two weeks worth,
right before the holidays. And all I will say is
you stay tuned, stay tuned for coming attractions to a
(32:45):
theater or radio near you. Appreciate everybody tuning in.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Today.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I am trying to line up a conversation with John
Youugh Bacon, who you may remember joined me with the
book about the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald, The Gales
of no It's a bestseller in the New York Times list. Well,
he is right smack dab in the middle of this
whole University of Michigan football controversy and Sharon Moore being
fired unceremoniously as head coach after having an affair with
(33:12):
a staffer and then he threatened to kill the staffer
in himself. And he's in Washington County jail right now.
That tomorrow on Ryan Shuling Live,
Victon, I lean marks here with all things possible ministries,
and uh, we've been telling everyone that we have a
big announcement today and this is it. Recently, many of
you know, I had brain scan. It's done because of
some physical challenges that I've been having.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And simply put, after two days of testing, the specialists
came back and let me know that on I scoted
one to four.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I was a three plus four being severe brain. That
is it trauma and trauma. Okay, So yeah, so I've
been trying to tell him that for well the truth, Well,
I've been trying to tell you I have the brain. Yes,
we know that now we do. It's official and has
(00:59):
some trauma too, so you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That from October twenty sixteen, a little over the nine
years ago, and part of a Facebook video that Victor
and Eileen Marx posted to announce that they would be
taking their ministry to Iraq. Lots of developing news in
real time that I want to pass along for you.
I'll start forward and then work my way back from there.
(01:23):
Victor Marx is scheduled to join me next Tuesday at
eight am right here on six point thirty k How
so you can mark that down on your schedule. Also,
Mandy Connell of KOA and yours truly have been tasked
with moderating and upcoming debate a Republican governor candidate forum
that will be taking place on Saturday, January tenth, between
(01:47):
one thirty and three thirty pm here in the Mountain
time zone at the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley at
Lincoln Park. Now again just real time updates here. Most
of the prominent Canada dates have agreed to appear, including
Barb Kirkmeyer, Greg Lopez, Jason Mike sel Mark Baisley, and
(02:08):
still waiting on word I believe is Sheriff Steve Raems
from Wild County who's putting this all together. From Representative
Scott Bottoms. I just saw an update from Victor himself
saying that he had a previously scheduled event and would
not be able to take part, to which Barb Kirkmeyer replied,
is he available the following weekend? Quote, because I, for
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one would be willing to adjust my schedule so he
can all be.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Part of the forum. Unquote.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That's from Senator Barb Kirkmeyer joining us now. She reached
out to me and she has a story to tell,
and I'm going to let her tell it in her
own words. Her name is Holly, and she joins us. Now, Polly,
thank you for your time.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Holly, take us through your interaction with Victor Marx and
how he came into your life.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
So it all starts with one person just recovering. And
after that I got back home and they just started
coming around me, like I barely knew this woman, and
she would come around me, offering me these courses because
she's an aesthetician and she does these facials and stuff.
(03:20):
And yeah, she's getting really close to me, like overly close,
saying like all this.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Okay, Holly, gotta stop you right there.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
We're on live radio, and so the SEC prohibits us
from the use of profanity, so I just want to
remind you of that. You might not have known that beforehand,
but go ahead and continue, Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But yeah, that happened. And then she tells me that
she's been talking to my mother, who she doesn't know,
and she said she wanted to go for a drive.
So we went for a drive and she said, are
you okay? And I said why would Like I'm thinking,
(04:07):
why would she say I'm okay, Like what what information
is she getting? So I say, yes, I'm okay, and
these people they completely switched it around. I'm in a relationship,
an aged gap relationship, and nobody seems to get like
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my truth. Like they keep saying that I'm grooming, I'm
being groomed and all this, and I wanted, I wanted
it to stop, and it didn't stop. They kept saying
all these lies. And then they mentioned Victor Or they
(04:54):
mentioned that they'd get me help. I was counseling and everything,
and I said sure, okay, because I didn't I didn't
have anyone around, so it was just like okay. And
then then she uh, And then I said, I don't
(05:15):
like this. She manipulated me into breaking my phone so
I couldn't get a hold of Less. My partner can
get a hold of him. She said he's got it
rigged and saying all these lies right, trying to make
me feel like something's wrong, like I'm in a bad situation.
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But little did I know that was the tip of
the iceberg.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So Holly, let me just ask a question real quick.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Here, were you having any problems at home with your mother?
You mentioned Less? Was he at the time dating your mother.
Was he merely worried to your mother? Was he your stepfather?
What was the nature of that relationship at that time?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Yes, they were together, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Were there problems.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
But not at the time that I got with him.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Were there problems though with your mom, let's say, in
the household, whether it was with her or with him,
or anything that you would a term to be problematic
that you might need help with.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Well, I don't want to get too into it, but
I did have problems at home with my dad. He
had PTSD and a lot of issues, and then my mom,
she was an alcoholic, and I needed, like I needed someone.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
He was there, Holly, Where is your biological father and
all of this?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Is he deceased? Is he around? Is he out of
your life? Is he in your life?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
We do not live together. He's in Ocean Falls.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And that's that's in British Columbia. Yes, okay, okay, go
ahead and continue.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You said you had met up with your neighbor, this woman,
and that she was trying to get you help, trying
to get you counseling, and she.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Said, okay, counseling. It was they completely manipulated me. I
said I wanted to leave first of all, I said,
I don't like this. I wanted to leave her place.
And she said, no, no, you need to see this
this person. You need to see this man, and he
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can help you. He's the only one that can help you.
That's what she.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Said, talking about Victor Marx.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yep, okay, Victor Marx. And then she mentioned him. I said,
who is he? I don't even know who this man is,
and then said all that he's a humanitarian, all this
stuff that he helps, like traffic. Woman, I'm not trafficked.
For one, I was never trafficked. That was a complete,
(08:24):
fabricated lie that they created. It's all things possible ministries. No,
I was not trafficked at all.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Did Victor have reason to believe that you had been
trafficked though, based on the information he was given?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Pardon?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Did Victor Marx have reason to believe that you had
been trafficked based on the information he was given and
how it was presented to him?
Speaker 5 (08:51):
She made up complete lies. She said that I was
with him when I was fifteen years old, and that
is not the case at all. All right, She made
it seem that he's a pedophile, he's not.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Holly is our guest, and she has had a past
interaction with Victor Marx. Now I'm trying to kind of
Honey in Holly on when that arrangement began. You mentioned
this neighbor woman that helped connect the two of you.
But if you would take us from there in your
story and what your encounter with Victor Marx, what.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
That was like for you.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
My encounter with Victor Marx at first, he seemed very
nice at first. At first, he seemed nice, he seemed
well spoken, but he took a video of me that
I did not think that he would post on everywhere.
I did not agree to that at all. And then
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they manipulated me to the point where I had to say, yes,
I could not leave or I had nowhere to go,
had nowhere to get a hold of him, couldn't call
the police because they had me in their house.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Who's house.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
House?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Okay, so you're still in British Columbia at this point,
is what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yes, okay, they're setting up me going to Colorado and
everything like that, Right, So I agree at this point
because I'm pretty much I wouldn't say taken against my
will but A sure, it sure feels like it. I
was manipulated to the point where I had to say yes,
(10:30):
and I was quite upset about that. But anyway, they
drive me to Colowna, and that's where I meet them,
Eileen and Victor Marx, and they they were really nice,
really polite, and I didn't think anything of it. I
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thought I was I was gonna get the help I needed.
But that was a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So you come to Colorado at that point with Victor
and Eileen Marx, Is that correct, Holly, Yes, Okay, take
us from there and exactly what went down, what happened,
what the transpired from there.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
So basically we drove down, we we went to the border.
They got a bunch of souvenirs from Canada to make
it seem like they were Taurus in a way, so
(11:36):
it didn't look anything suspicious, which I thought was a
red flag. And then and then what I thought was
strange was someone knew them from the border. They're like, oh,
you're Victor Marx. And I personally, nobody that I known
(11:59):
knew who Victor was at all. Putting that out there
right now, So I think I'm not saying it's fact.
I'm saying I thought it was set up. And then
they get me to talk to someone at the counter,
saying that they're trying to get because they were suspicious
of the of souvenirs.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
They're just like, this is strange. They have a girl
and they're taking her to Colorado for what. So they
get me to talk and say that her boyfriend were
trying to get him away from him. And I tried
saying something, but I would have no I would have
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no way, Like I I'm scared of these people from the.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Get go, Like.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I was scared.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
What about them made you scared?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Hollie Just I can't even explain it. I know how
to read people, and I didn't get a good vibe
from them.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I really didn't, Holly.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
When the police escorted you to take your belongings out
of Less's house, what happened to lead up to the
police being contacted.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
In order to do that, they had me make a statement,
make a statement on what happened and everything else. I
did not put Less under the bus or any or
anything at all. I didn't talk anything about him because
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what they said about him was not true at all.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Holly is our guest and she is describing what connected
her to Victor and Eileen Marx. Now, I really want
to focus here, Holley, when we have a few minutes
left on what happened once you got to Colorado and
the help that Victor and Eileen were trying to provide
for you, How that went, and how you felt about that.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Okay, So when I got there, everything was fine. It
seems normal. They said, they get me counseling and all this.
What didn't make sense to me were the guns and
that he was part of a ministry and they tried
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getting me to use guns and all this stuff. I said, no,
I don't want to do that. And I said I
they just kept taking videos of me and saying that, oh,
we're getting the help she needs. They did not get
me the help I needed at all.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
What was the nature of these videos, Holly? And how
old were you when they were taking these videos of you?
Speaker 5 (14:53):
I was eighteen years old.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, so you're an adult, all right. So why were
they taking these videos of you?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Do you think?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I think they were taking those videos of me to
get to get money from from their donations so that
they claim that they have and to exploit young women
for views and to like make it seem that like,
oh this poor girl, help her, like I didn't need
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to be I didn't need to be helped. What on
earth did they think that an eighteen year old out
of the psych word, a month out of the psych
word was a good idea to take her across the border.
And you know what what's really messed up about this
(15:45):
is that was paid for it. She was paid for
I was sold to Victor mart. They got money from this.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
From my suffering, Holly, what actual help?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
You mentioned the videos that were taken and Victor Nileen
are publicizing that they're getting you help that you need.
What actual help did they provide for you when you
were in their care?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
They didn't provide anything, so you.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Just stayed with them. How would you describe your experience?
They're what you just woke up? Did they feed you,
they clothed you, Did you provide you with shelter? Did
they get you any kind of counseling services anything like that.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
They fed me and they bought me new clothes or
whatever because they said that I couldn't have like my
old clothes were too inappropriate, which they weren't made me
who I was? Whatever, And there wasn't any counselors, any
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counselors that I didn't want.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
To talk to.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I didn't talk to because they didn't trust them. I
didn't trust any of them.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Do you think that Victor and Eileen Marx were genuinely
trying to help you?
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Now, why not?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Because I believe that they exploit people for donations. And
I'll keep saying it and use that against like everything,
like I'm trying to make sense, like it's for donations,
(17:30):
Like they exploit women for money. When they don't want
to be videoed, they video you. They don't care. And
when I said I didn't want to be videoed anymore,
that's when they the atch stopped. That's when they were
very rude.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I'm gonna go a little bit long in this segment,
so those of you that are listening on the podcast
you can tune in.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
For that in over the year. Here will go to
break as soon as we can.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So just to clarify that, Holly, what happened to precipitate
you leaving the Marks compound or residence or wherever you
were staying with them? How did you how did you leaving?
How did that happen.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Have that happen. I I got a hold of Blessed.
I got a hold of someone that could get me
out because they would not let me go home.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Do you feel like you were being held against your
will or were you free to leave at any time?
You're an adult at that point.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Right now, I feel like I was being held against
my will. They had my ID, they had everything. It
took what two months? Three months? Three months to get
me back home. And I will tell you all about that.
It was El Paso County Sheriff's Department, and Less had
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made a call saying that he hasn't heard from me,
hasn't heard a thing from me in months, weeks even,
and he put out a missing person's on me, claiming
that anyone who has seen this woman to call nine
one one because these people would not let me go.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Holly.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
In the midst of that, did you have a confrontation
with Victor about wanting to leave?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Oh? I did. I said I don't want any more
videos or pictures taken of me. I want to leave now.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And what was his response to you when you said that?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
And he said, okay, but it should have not have
taken that long. I'm sorry, but like that's unacceptable. They
have all this money, they should have easily gotten me home,
but they wanted to make more money off the videos
they were taking of me without my permission and posting
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videos of Less as well, claiming that he's a pedophile
when they know nothing about him, only what Anastasia had
said about him.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Were there any confrontations between you and either Victor or
Arlene that you would say had gotten heated and that
they were trying to get you to stay? Was there
yelling involved anything like that?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
They had me monitored with the WiFi and who I
would who I would talk to. They said I could
not talk to Less or speak to him. I didn't care. No,
you're not going to tell me what to do. This
is my life. I didn't. I didn't agree to this
at all. I thought it was counseling. I thought I
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didn't think it was like it was the thing for trafficking,
for trafficked women. I wasn't trafficked.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I was in a relationship, and you maintained that you
are still in that relationship to this this day with
Less correct.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I'm not answering any of that.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Did Victor Marx ever raise his voice to.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You, Oh yeah, he did in what way?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
He said that I had Stockholm syndrome and he's threatened
my dad. Okay, I was talking to my uncle Phil
and and then I uh, and then he took like
he's like he was worried about me. My uncle was
worried about me, and so he wanted to call. So
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he's just like, I hope you're safe and all this,
and like he straight up said he doesn't trust Victor,
and and then Victor snatched the computer and then he said,
I'll kill you, you pet aphile, I'll kill you and less combined,
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he threatened my uncle that has nothing that he doesn't
know anything about.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Our guest, Holly and describing her experience, her interaction, her
account of events with Victor Marx. Final word here for you, Holly,
because we do have to cut our conversation short. What
do you want our listeners to know about Victor Marx,
the man that you believe that he is in the
experience that.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
You had with him.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I believe that he's the trafficker himself. And I would
like to say one thing before we end this call.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Victor.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I know you're listening to this broadcast. Your time for
honoring yourself is over. Even your God can't help you
out of this one, seriously like you can't. The truth
will come out about you, and that's that you're an exploiter,
You're a fraud in your coward and there's so much
proof to that. So that's what I have to say, Holly.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I know you've been through a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I thank you for your time today and I appreciate
you joining us. Thank you, best of luck to you,
Happy holidays, Merry Christmas as well. A difficult conversation to
be sure, and Victor Marx himself will appear with me
next Tuesday at eight a m.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
You can stay tuned for that. A late break. We're
back after this on six point thirty k How.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Well your response and reaction at five seven, seven thirty nine,
No surprise coming in fast and furious. I have been
in communication with the woman in question that Holly alleges
connected her under false pretenses to Victor Marx, and and
she will be appearing on the program at some point
in the future. Trying to work on that. Victor Marx
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is schedule to join me on Tuesday eight am. We'll
get to your text and I'll try to kind of
fill in the blanks on what you just heard. Following
each of these, Ryan, is that can it be a
warning or a fine by you addressing the swear words?
Does it notify any FCC actions? I had Jesse dump
the first one. It's difficult when she went to the
(24:26):
second one, couldn't grab that one, so had to step
in there. You know, there was not intent behind it,
and certainly not by your yours truly the host and
a lot of times people that are not experienced with
the concept of on air radio. Never mind the fact
that she's Canadian and not American, so they have different laws, rules,
regulations there as well.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
You know, I do the best that can.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It's live radio, and my apologies for anything that went
out over the year that should not have Ryan Wow,
great interview, great guests that swears and can't carry a
train of thought. Drop the victim, Mark's bashing garbage, he
can't win, not bashing him. I'm telling you this young
lady reached out to me and wanted to have her
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story be heard.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Now what you.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Make of that, that is up eye of the beholder,
ear of the beholder, up to the listener, and up
to you to parse through and to make your own
decision and draw your own conclusion. My apologies. Please make
Holly your guest, explain who she is, who they are. Yeah,
there were a lot of those pronouns. It was just
happening so rapid fire again in real time. You know,
(25:32):
this is not my first rodeo dealing with a person
who may or may not according to her being a
victim of abuse, is my opinion, having dealt with people
like this in the past. In my coverage of the
Larry Nassar scandal, for example, there was a young lady
that was vehemently defending Larry Nasser and the procedures that
(25:55):
he was doing, insisting that they were helping her. But
she had been gasling into oblivion. She was in a position,
I believe, of defending him because she felt she had
no other choice. I brought her in live in my
studio in Lancing, Michigan, and pretty much handled the way
that you just heard. You know, I'm not going to
(26:16):
jump down this young woman's throat and start confronting her,
but just gently, again with respect, try to steer the
interview in a sensible direction. Again not easy, It's not easy,
but by the end of the interview I'm describing back
in Lancing with this young woman who was victimized by
(26:37):
Larry Nasser. She I just got her to thinking like,
did that seem appropriate? The mesh procedure he described that
he was performing on you. And the more that I
kind of again gently let her come to her own conclusions,
I think the more clarity she had. By the end
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of the Larry Nasser prosecution, I had connected that young
lady her names, I can say it now. She came
out publicly Valerie Web. I connected her with Angipovilitis, who
was a bulldog of a prosecutor in that case. You
probably saw her on the national news. You remember probably
Judge Rose Marie Aquallina, and I had a very strong
(27:19):
relationship with her as well. But I was working hand
in glove, very directly with Anngipovilitis, and Angie came to
me with some doubts and suspicions about Valerie Web because
she goes, we can't have one loose cannon in this
whole case. I understand that Valerie really wants to testify,
and she ended up doing that in the courtroom, confronting
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Larry Nasser directly to his face with a victim impact statement.
And I think that was a tremendous journey that she
was on. It was not an easy one for her,
and it certainly wasn't for me, but women who are
victims of abuse. And this is where I really wanted
to again gently push back on what could Victor Marx
have possibly known when this woman was young, woman was
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presented to him, and if he truly wanted to help her,
and if he truly believed and there was evidence that
she was being abused by this man, that he was
going to do everything in his power to help her,
including bringing her to the United States and to Colorado.
So what I heard, I don't know that I can
really question Victor Marx's motives in.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
All of this.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
But it's a difficult endeavor, as you might imagine, you
are dealing with damaged children and the psychology psychology of that.
It's on a very elite level just being able to
communicate at all with a victim of abuse, especially one
that is in sheer denial of that or has Stockholm syndrome.
She said those very words that Victor told her, you
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have Stockholm syndrome. Might that be true? Well, again, I'll
let you draw your own conclusions, but based on my experience,
you know, victims often have a very difficult time coming
to terms with the reality of the situation, the horror
of that, the absolute evil of it.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
It's a lot to.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Comprehend, Ryan, I meant slander, But nonetheless, that's one of
those interviews that you should have pre recorded and vetted. Well,
you know, say what you will. Everybody's got a version
of their own events and their own story, and their
credibility is tied to it and how they present what
they believe to be the facts.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
A lot of a response to this. Let me see here.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
My apologies and I don't like Victor Marx, but this
Holly sounds like a nutbar to me. Sorry, Ryan, how
does it feel to be doctor phil right now? I
am finding her very difficult to take seriously because she
seems very unstable. I think your story was difficult to follow.
And again, what I was trying to do is in
real time, try to go through chronological order, geographical order.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Of what happened, just what happened here?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Why did she want to reach out, why did she
want to share this story with all of you?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
And what was the point and the purpose of that.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
A couple more texts we'll get to when we come
back five seven, seven, three nine. Wrapping up on this
Thursday edition, Ryan Shuling Live. After this, well, let's go
to this text from Patty. She's not being petty here,
wrapping up Ryan Schuling Live on this Thursday. You didn't
(30:24):
see that coming, did you. No, Jesse didn't either. He's
over there, still stunned.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Ryan.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
While that last segment was a wild ride, I'm sure
somewhere in the middle is the truth. None of this
reflects well for Marx. Too much drama with this guy.
Some people aren't aware of how much they thrive on drama.
He is too much Well, he is embarked upon again.
I would say this for all of time in memoriam,
that it's a difficult mission to Again, the psychological part
(30:55):
of this. With women, children who are trafficked, who are abused,
there is just a state of mind. They are wounded,
and that's a totally different animal in terms of how
you handle that in not just the logistics of getting
a woman or a child out of danger, but then
how do you handle the aftermath of that. The PTSD,
(31:16):
the very real post traumatic stress of that it is
not easy and it's not for the faint of heart. Ryan,
I've said this for the first time I heard about Marx,
and only a fool would want him as a Republican
candidate in Colorado. Ryan, thank you for explaining Holly's situation.
I truly appreciate it. You give everybody a chance to
(31:38):
speak again, That's why I like your show. Really appreciate
that text, and that's what I'm going for here. You know,
the earlier Texter joked about doctor fel but there's an
element of an interview like that. It's totally different. Yeah,
and you might notice, like when I interview a comedian,
totally different style. Right, it's banter, it's back and forth,
it's hey, what about this? Holly was a totally different category.
(32:02):
And it's not an easy thing to do. But I
do believe those conversations are important, and I believe it's
equally important that Victor Marks be given the opportunity to
address anything and everything that Holly had to say in
that segment with me. Ryan, that interview with Holly was bizarre,
but so is Victor Mark, says, Donna hard to know
(32:23):
where the truth lies. Glad that you're interviewing him next week.
But why are you doing another week of the early
show if you're staying on the afternoon too, Donna, I'm
burning the candle at both ends. It's Mania two weeks worth,
right before the holidays. And all I will say is
you stay tuned, stay tuned for coming attractions to a
(32:45):
theater or radio near you. Appreciate everybody tuning in.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Today.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I am trying to line up a conversation with John
Youugh Bacon, who you may remember joined me with the
book about the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald, The Gales
of no It's a bestseller in the New York Times list. Well,
he is right smack dab in the middle of this
whole University of Michigan football controversy and Sharon Moore being
fired unceremoniously as head coach after having an affair with
(33:12):
a staffer and then he threatened to kill the staffer
in himself. And he's in Washington County jail right now.
That tomorrow on Ryan Shuling Live,
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