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May 13, 2025 • 38 mins
In the first hour of today's edition of Ryan Schuiling LIve, Ryan discusses how Donald Trump has transformed conservatism and republicanism in America. Ryan also debates the pros and cons of the MLB's decision to reinstate Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For our eyes.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
A new generation of leaders is transcending the ancient conflicts
of tired divisions of the past and forging a future
where the Middle East is defined by commerce not chaos,
where it exports technology not terrorism, and where people of
different nations, religions, and creeds are building cities together, not

(00:22):
bombing each other out of existence.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
We don't want that, President Trump earlier today the Saudi
US Investment Forum and sounding unlike any president I believe
we've ever had, at least in modern history on the
national and international stage. Now, a lot of people will
start with the analysis, and it's not an incorrect one

(00:46):
that Donald Trump is an isolationist.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
He's a nationalist. He's America first.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
But this also transcends into other countries and respect for
their sovereignty, their self determined nation. And he had some
very important things to say along those lines in a
speech that was constructed for an audience that includes the
Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, always a tenuous ally, though
a relatively stable one in the region, at least as

(01:16):
it comes to commerce, opposing Iran, and in recent years
Saudi Arabia being much more favorable to the existence in
fact building partnerships, coalition and business arrangements with Israel.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
The existence of Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
And the Saudis tend to be a very pragmatic, practical
a nation that looks out for its own interests, obviously
driven largely by oil, Its customs, its traditions, its values
very different from ours. There's the whole Koshogi incident you
may recall, in which a journalist mysteriously disappeared. It was

(01:55):
widely suspected that the Saudi prints the crown Prince had
something to do with his assassination. This is not a
country that is founded on the principles of free speech
or individual rights to the degree that the United States is.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
But the harsh.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Reality of the world as we all know, we have
to live in the real world, not the ideal world
that we wish we lived in. Means that there are
alliances that you form with countries that you might not
necessarily agree with, and they could be on some very
strong fundamental lines. But what Donald Trump is saying in
these opening comments was basically laying the foundation for saying

(02:33):
that the great transformation of the Middle East has not
been spurred on by American interventionists. And this is where
Trump really turned the page for the modern Republican Party,
a party that at one time was largely consisting of
neo conservatives in the literal definition of that term, the
Bush Cheney type Republicans that believe that America was the

(02:58):
world's police, that build nations was part of our doctrine internationally.
We tried to do that in Afghanistan. We try to
do that in a rock. We have tried to do
that in many other nations across the world, and rarely,
if ever, has it gone according to plan. Rarely, if ever,
could it be termed a success. The war in Vietnam,

(03:20):
which I have talked about at length on this program,
my parents were firmly against it, as much of the
baby boomer generation was, and I wouldn't say there were
wild liberals by any stretch of the imagination at any
point in their lives. My mother or my father, my
grandmother wanted my dad to move to Canada and the
cabins that my grandfather has had and now the arm

(03:41):
my uncle's as my grandfather passed away some twenty.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Five odd years ago.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
But my dad felt a lot of pressure from a
father who had served in the army in World War II,
who felt that it was his son's duty if drafted
to serve the United States in Vietnam in the war,
that was difficult to define where our national interests lied,
and I think there were many instances in which we
were lied to by our government that created a great

(04:09):
sense of distrust Vietnam and Watergate, leading to the nineteen
seventies discord, dismay, malaise, disaffection with our country, with patriotism
in general, that was revived, I think in some large
regard by a gen x that would follow in the
nineteen eighties and the glory years that were Ronald Reagan.

(04:30):
And in that era, peace through strength was a mantra
that reigned supreme. That led to the crumbling, the dismantling,
the destruction, the fall of the Soviet Union and the
great evil that is communism that the Soviet Union represented.
China took its chapter of communism and actually made it successful,

(04:50):
perhaps the only example in world history were communism as
a fundamental tenet and way of government has been a
successful endeavor, be it economically or politically. But emerging from that,
as we were attacked on nine to eleven, there was
a great time of turmoil, of uncertainty, of fear, and

(05:11):
in that moment of fear, I remember it well. I
experienced it firsthand, as many of you did as well.
Zach's not old enough to remember nine to eleven, which
is crazy to me, but I get it. Those thoughts
were on the spectrum of absolute freedom, liberty, individual rights
on one end, and complete government control over your lives

(05:37):
and security, as it was sold safety on the other end.
Where do you lie in that continuum? Do you want
your government to protect you? Do you trust your government
to protect you? Now, you have a generation like Zach's
gen Z that does not remember nine to eleven, but
sure as hell remembers COVID and the lockdowns and the

(05:57):
freedoms that were taken from us under the guy of protection.
Under the auspices of fear. You cannot live your lives
in fear. Freedom does come at a cost of perceived safety.
That is why our freedom is guaranteed by our right
to free speech the First Amendment, our right to free
exercise of religion. Also in that First Amendment, our freedom

(06:21):
of the press to cover adversarially. Our elected leadership, which
is supposed to happen, does in varying degrees depending on
the biases of the media involved. And our freedom is
protected by our Second Amendment right to bear arms that
no government entity could commandeer control over you and your life,

(06:45):
your personal property, your freedom. I mean, that's the libertarian
streak in all of us, in they in particular. But
in the wake of nine to eleven, we fell into
a trap, I believe, and I think Michael Brown talks
about this on his program.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Because he was there.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
He was there as it was going on, and out
of the Bush administration, we want to protectionist mode and
interventionist mode both at the same time in different ways.
We protected the homeland and in so doing subscribe to
something called the Patriot Act, and that promised to root
out terrorism wherever it resided in the United States, to

(07:24):
hunt it down, to seek it out. And maybe we
violate the civil rights of individuals if they have ties
to fundamentalist Muslim extremist organizations. But that quickly blurred those
lines into all Americans. And you cannot just sit there
and believe that your government is going to be looking

(07:46):
under every nook and cranny just for the supposed bad
guys in quotes that ultimately it will go too far
and it will supersede your personal individual rights to privacy,
to freedom, to liberty, to property, et cetera. So on
that continuum, I think all of us who lived in

(08:07):
that time that were uncertain. You know what happened on
nine to eleven, Why did it happen? Who did this
to us? Why would they do it to us? Was
there going to be another attack within the next couple
of days. We were all worried about that, we were
locked down in our homes. I was, at least I
lived in Virginia, so at the time, obviously that was
literally ground zero near the Pentagon Arlington. I was in
Richmond to the south, but I remember on that day

(08:30):
fighter jets flying over the top of my house in
Middle Lothian, Virginia. I go into all this level of
detail to kind of illustrate exactly how we evolve as
an American society and how different we are in twenty
twenty five than perhaps we were September twelve, two thousand
and one, and where we see our place in the world,

(08:51):
and whether or not the United States as a force
for good can dictate terms to people and nations and
cultures that are so foreign to ours that have never
experienced our type of government, freedom, society culture, and that
there would be an expectation in the Bush Cheney years
to say, we're going to clear out Saddam Hussein. We're

(09:12):
going to say that he possessed weapons of mass destruction.
We're going to have Colin Powell testify to that effect
before the United Nations. Saddam Hussein, I think at one
time one did possess weapons of mass destruction. He mustard
gas during the Iran Iraq War of the nineteen eighties.
He probably wanted people to think he had weapons of

(09:33):
mass destruction as a deterrent, as a false sense of
bravado to show strength on the world stage. But it
is my sincere belief that, especially after we know everything
in hindsight being twenty twenty, that that was a total
and complete bluff by Saddam Hussein that obviously for him
and for his sons, backfired tremendously. He probably never thought

(09:55):
that George W. Bush would launch an invasion of Iraq
and finished the job. As some people termed it that
his father did not. His father invited assassination attempts from
Saddam Hussein in Iraq. The problem though, is Operation Desert
Storm as it was defined crisply back in the early

(10:16):
nineteen nineties.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Remember General Norman Schwartzkoff. Colan Powell was a.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Part of that in the Powell doctrine emerged from that,
and I didn't agree with a lot of things later
on in Colin Powell's life and political career, But at
the time this was the correct strategy, especially coming out
of the shadows of Vietnam, when there was no clearly
defined victory as it could be established by the military

(10:42):
declare victory, get out, exit strategy gun. There was always
a nebulous moving target when it came to Vietnam to
extradite to viet Cong, to win the peninsula on behalf
of the South Vietnam tomes to finish the job that
France couldn't do. Heard that theme before, and we never
got done, and that was a loss. Operation Desert Storm

(11:04):
was designed to liberate Kuwait from the invasion of Iraq.
There's a lot of oil on the line, a lot
of people sitting no blood for oil. But here's a
simple fact of the matter. Jack oil drives the economy,
and certainly did in nineteen ninety. In nineteen ninety one.
So that was the mission. The mission was accomplished, it
was with overwhelming force, and then we got out because

(11:28):
the clear objective had been accomplished and there was not
going to be a further objective. We're going to follow
Saddamhusein in the rockies into Baghdad, clear them out, put
millions of dollars and lives on the line, blood and treasure,
because it's worth extra dining Saddam Hussein. But what we've
seen is when in these dictatorships, not that we're a
fan of them, whether it's Asad in Syria, Whussein in Iraq,

(11:51):
Kadafi in Libya terrible, but just because things are bad
does not mean they can't and won't get worse. Now
is under the auspices of Iran, basically under the thumb
of that regime of the Mullas.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Libya is a massive failure.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Sometimes these dictators, albeit their evil, they can be contained,
they could be controlled. They maintain order within their own countries,
and then that makes them easier to deal with. So
sometimes your choices are between bad and worse, or worse
and even worse. So this gets to Donald Trump's next
comment about the Great transformation of the Middle East.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Just fascinating comments from him today.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
And it's crucial for the wider world to note this
great transformation has not come from Western intervention, nous or
flying people in beautiful planes giving you lectures on how
to live and how to govern your own affairs. No,
the leaming marvels of Riyad and Abu Dhabi. We're not

(12:54):
created by the so called nation builders, neocons or liberal
nonprofits like those who spend trillions and trillions of dollars
failing to develop Kabbal Baghdad so many other cities.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
He meant Kabul in Afghanistan, Baghdad in Iraq. Two wars
in the Front on terror throughout the two thousands into
the twenty tens that did not yield the results we
were promised, Dick Cheney said famously. I believe was on
meet the press, we will be greeted as liberators in Baghdad.

(13:31):
We were not, because even though the Iraqis may be
a very oppressed people, it's still their country. And this
is where Donald Trump comes in and strikes such a
different chord and tune and note with the people of.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
The Middle East.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
He shows them respect, respect for their culture, respect for
their sovereignty, respect for their own self determination, that the
United States and the Western world doesn't necessarily have all
the answers for them. That our way of life, although
it's preferable for us, cannot be one size fits all,

(14:08):
managed around the culture, the values, the history of these
Middle Eastern nations. Trump is smart and in fact wise
enough to realize and recognize the limitations therein.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
And this drew drew rave reviews and a very warm.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Response from the audience gathered once again, this from the
Saudi US Investment Forum.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Instead, the birth.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Of a modern Middle East has been brought by the
people of the region themselves, the people that are right here,
the people that have lived here all their lives. Developing
your own sovereign countries, pursuing your own unique visions and
charting your own destinies in your own way. It's really
incredible what you've done. In the end, the so called

(14:54):
nation builders wrecked far more nations than they built. And
the interventional we're intervening in complex societies that they did
not even understand themselves. They told you how to do it,
but they had no idea how to do it to themselves.
Peace prosperity and progress ultimately came not from a radical

(15:16):
rejection of your heritage, but rather from embracing your national
traditions and embracing that same heritage that you love so dearly.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I mean, what a stark departure for a Republican president.
You know, gone by gone the era of Bush, Cheney,
and even I would say, in large measure, Reagan.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
And although I revere Ronald.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Reagan, he was much more of a piece through strength, interventionist.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
He tried that Granada.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
There were several examples, Beirut, there were many examples where
the Reagan administration was a failure internationally along these very lines.
But Donald Trump recognizes our place in the world and
what it is, but more important, what it is not
and what it shouldn't be. I mean, this is truly

(16:04):
an iconic speech. I don't know if it's going to
be remembered for all time. I mean, I don't like
to get into hyperbole like that, but this was seismic,
This meant something. This will again, I think, resonate with
the Saudi Crown Prince with he mentions later on, and
we'll get some of that sound perhaps in a little
bit that he wants to normalize relations with Syria.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
That's a bold take.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
That regime has been overthrown asad and now there's a
very unstable regime in there. As I said before, you
don't know exactly what you're dealing with. But what Donald
Trump does is he wants to engage with his enemies.
This was a key takeaway from the speech for those
that view him, and incredibly erroneously so. Is some kind
of warmonger in which the brink of World War III

(16:51):
is upon us anything But Donald Trump is a dove,
not a hawk.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yet I'm here today not merely to condemn the past
chaos of Iran's leaders, but to offer them a new path,
and a much better path toward a far better and
more hopeful future. As I've shown repeatedly, I am willing
to end past conflicts and forge new partnerships for better
and more stable world, even if our differences may be

(17:19):
very profound, which obviously they are.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
In the case of Iran.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I have never believed in having permanent enemies. I am
different than a lot of people think. I don't like
permanent enemies, but sometimes you need enemies to do the job,
and you have to do it right enemies get you motivated.
In fact, some of the closest friends of the United
States of America, nations we fought wars against in generations pasts,

(17:48):
and now they're our friends and our allies.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Of course Germany and World War Two before that, Great Britain,
and just imagine for a moment talking about Iran. I
would love there to be a revolution in Iran, for
the malls to be overthrown, for the people to to
reinstall whatever type of government they choose. But that has
to come from within. It cannot be forced from without.
Imagine in the seventeen seventies, France, a very strong adversary

(18:15):
of England at that time, of Great Britain, of the
United Kingdom at that time, probably would have loved for
the Americans to overthrow the British in the colonies.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And we're rooting for that.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Maybe encouraging that that came to our Aid Lafayette and
the rest later on in that war. But it had
to come from the colonies themselves. We had to want it.
We wanted to want to be the United States to
rise up against the crown, to declare a revolution, to
be able to declare war and fight a revolution with

(18:46):
lives on the line. You can't impress that upon somebody
from without, like the French might have wanted to do.
Got some text along these lines five seven, seven three nine.
When we come back, Rosie O'Donnell moved to Ireland. You
knew that part. Did you know she has insomnia? Well,
President Trump in quotes, has a cure and I think
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Speaker 5 (21:15):
And I've been having trouble sleeping, you know, I really have,
and I can get to sleep, but then I wake
up and a lot of people have told me it's
cortisol levels, which it probably is. You know, I have
a lot going on. Moving to another country is a
big upheaval for your system, you know, and for your psyche.

(21:35):
But I talked to my psycho farm guy from New
York and said, you know, because I have been using
remor no what is it called trasadon to sleep, and
trasadon is not really a sleeping aid. It's it's a
depression medication, usually for people who are addicted to something.
That's what I read, at least online. So I asked
him if I could get xanax, because you know, XANX

(21:58):
to sleep is fantastic. You take one, it puts you
to sleep, and to me, I sleep the whole night.
But he's like, I don't like to give xanax. I'm like,
you've been my shrink for so long. I've never abused
any kind of mid I don't know why people would
abuse xenx because all it does is make you sleepy.
So I'm very disappointed that he wouldn't do it. I'm
going to ask my GP when i'm here. I'm not

(22:20):
sure in Ireland where you get psych meds or sleeping meds.
Maybe it is your GP.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Rosie o'donnald sounds like she's having a normal one. So
when you hear that she can't sleep, she's got insomnia.
She's a little bit confused about trans and doone. What's
a depressant, what's an anti anxiety medication?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
What's a sleep medication?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Now where I come from, xanax Kelly, correct me if
I'm wrong, is prescribed for anxiety, right, that would be correct.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
That's what I usually take when I have to go
to the dentist.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Well, it sounds like Rosie O'Donnell needs your doctor to
prescribe that for her because hers is resisting.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Well, if you've ever seen me actually go into a
dentist's office, I mean, I've told you the horror stories
and people don't actually believe me.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
But let's see, you have to go to the dentist.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, she I thought cured her big problem, which was
orange man bad right, but didn't want to stick around
for that, moved to Ireland, and yet she's.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Still not able to sleep.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
So it begs the question, is the problem really Donald Trump?
Or is it something else for Rosie? Because I'm worried
about her. I'm worried sick about her?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Are you not? Really? I just wanted to say that
to sound like I was somewhat nice. Okay, but you
know what, President.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Trump has the remedy, and leave it to him to
be magnanimous to step up to offer this sleep aid rack.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
Goodbye, Rosie, you faed gleeping. I won by a lot
and was still winning big. If you come back from Ireland,
you know what I'll do. I put tariffs on China
and I'll put tariffs on you.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Too.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
Close your eyes, Rosy, pretend that you're free. I know
you can't sleep because you're thinking of me. You thought
all of your problems would be fixed when you fled,
But I'm still right here, red free.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
In your heads.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
Now?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Wasn't that nice?

Speaker 3 (24:39):
President Trump, also known as Sean Ferish, our good friend
and frequent guests in this program. He caused quite the
ruckus over on KOA when I was filling in frosts.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Sewna and you know I set it up. I'm not
going to give away the bit up front.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
That's dumb, right, you go into it, you actually And
I asked the questions Sean as President Trump provides the answers.
And then I was at the end, I'm thinking, I
got to let the listeners off the hook. It's koa,
this is not my station, you know, I'm renting this space.
I didn't buy it. This is Ross's show, you know.
But there were a lot of people that were fooled,

(25:18):
including those that work right here at iHeart.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
And that was fun. But that was Sean Ferrish.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
And I liked his version of rock Abye because if
you look at a lot of the old you know,
German fables and mother Goose fairy tales, there's a reason
why those of us who are gen X are older,
are as hardened as we are and as tough as
we are. They are nightmares, nightmare fuel, Hansel and Gretel.

(25:45):
Just for one little red riding hood, how about another?
And how about when I'm a baby my mom my
mom had this stitched on like a I don't know
what you would call it, like a big portrait size
wall decoration, and she stitched it as follows. There's a
woman I remember, I remember the colors that a little boy.

(26:07):
It's a green and gold. There's brown for the woman's
hair with a baby, and she's rocking in a rocking chair.
And here are the lyrics in case you missed them
from a Rock a Bye Baby also called lullaby baby.
Back in the day, we're talking like seventeen hundreds, and
this had to be written by a real frustrated mother
that wanted to dump its baby into the dumpster. I mean,

(26:28):
let's just go with it. Rock a Bye Baby on
the tree top. When the wind blows, the cradle will rock.
When the bow breaks, the cradle will fall, and down
will fall baby cradle in all How is that a
nursery rhyme or a lullaby? Kelly talk about a baby
in a cradle. For some reason, this cradle is in

(26:50):
a tree. It's not a weak enough limb that the
bow could break. The cradle falls and the baby comes
down with it. Tell me how that soothing?

Speaker 6 (26:59):
Well, you can actually do that today.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
You can kill a baby.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Oh the ninth month of pregnancy.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
This is a little bit more elaborate.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Yah, So you're you're talking about Aesop's fable another one. Yeah,
and you know we had the huge book because I
don't know if I've had that, Yes, but you know,
and I mean some of them, yeah, most of them
are very dark. And yeah, poor Zach over here doesn't

(27:33):
even know about when he's lived.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
A privileged life. Yeah, he hasn't been tormented. Oh, Hansel
and Gretel was I don't.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Know what you guys have taling about. They were written
in the sixteen hundreds. They made it for the nineteen
eighties that we went to two thousand two.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Was there one in particular that stood out in your
childhood Zach that really scared the.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Crap out of you?

Speaker 4 (27:54):
I think Hansel and Gretel's grateful.

Speaker 8 (27:55):
I mean you got the witch trying to eat these
children alive. Yeah, I mean that's stands out as there's
a lot a lot of the Grimm's fairy tales are
really isn't there one where they have to like chop
someone's feet off or something to like fit them in
that that's the original Cinderella. They got to chop a
the stepsisters try like chopping their toes off to get
him in the shoe.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
There's some gruesome stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Geez, look at Zach coming off the top rope with
the knowledge. I love it. But ever stop to think
about that?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
How these aren't fairy tales, These aren't lallabies at all.
They're designed to torment and torture children and with an
evil grin on the face.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Of the parents.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Oh, they scared the crap out of my kids when
we had and we did have the grims one as
well as asops. But yeah, the first time they read
Hansel and Gretel, Hailey was like, what what is this?
This isn't good, And I'm like, yeah, well, this.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Is what we grew up with. Don't leave a bread
crumb trail. That's don't do it. That's here's what not
to do.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, what was the the show recently Fallout? I believe
it's called If you watch that, it's kind of dystopian.
It's a series. It's only wrapped up its first season.
I believe it's on Prime Video. Zach, you're nodding your head.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
To watch the games. Then played the shirt? Yeah, played
the game and watched the show.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
There it is and exactly, it's a show based on
an online video game, and they extrapolate that into a series.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
And it's very interesting to me at least. And there's
another one. Is it the same one? I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
There's like a godlike creature and one of the elders
is reading these fairy tales and reading Little Red Riding
Hood and the the godlike creature is confused as to
why the little girl believes that this wolf is her
grandmother and it's a disguise, it's a lie. Well, the

(29:57):
godlike creature doesn't like that and doesn't want to do business.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
With people that would lie about anything. I think it's
the thing is that that's the same show. I think
fall up right.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
I don't think that's fallow It. It might be an elder
Scrolls thing, though.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I don't know. I'd think about that during the break.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
What's the one with the alternative universe about when Germany
actually wins World War two?

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh? Yeah, that's another one, those dystopian in the Castle.
That's it there? It is?

Speaker 6 (30:22):
Yeah, Yeah, Okay, watch a couple episodes of that.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
That's very weird to look into that.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
A couple of texts five seven seven three nine, Ryan,
Oh my god, that song mind warp you're talking about
Sean Ferrish's version of the actual lyrics to rock a
Bye Baby. I know they'll they'll rock your world. Ryan,
it was Rumpel stillskin. Is that the one you're thinking of?
Zach with the feakan chopped off? That's another creepy one.
Rumpel still skin.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
That's the dude that sleeps. Yeah, We'll still skin.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
If you haven't seen it, kind of a kind of
an off the charts minor hit of the eighties which
I loved. It has the actor Trade Striker in Airplane.
It also has James Woods. It's called Cat's Eye. It's
based on a couple of Stephen King short stories I think,
revolving around a cat, and the cat's actually the hero

(31:11):
of this thing, and people tried to make it the villain,
saying that the cat would steal your breath while you
were asleep.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
That's a great movie, Drew bar one of a couple
of movies along with good movie. I went to a
fire starter that she was in for Stephen King.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay, let me see uh And Grandma's embroidery was about
some whack poem hung on the wall. But yeah, thanks mom,
I'm pretty sure it was my mom who did it,
But maybe it was my Bubba.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
I got to think about that. I got some I
got some really dark memories coming to the surface. Now
I'm scared. I'm gonna take a break. Maybe that'll help.
Five seven, seventh, three nine. You got some childhood memories
that are kind of burned into your brain that you
wish were not there. But I want to use this
time right, we can share, we can work through it.
This could be our therapy. You know how Rosie was playing.

(32:00):
Your therapy's not working. She's not getting Xanax prescribed for
it just makes you sleepy. It's an anti anxiety med
but she uses it as a sleeping pill.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
She can't get her drugs. She needs to talk to Kelly.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
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after this. You know, I was talking during the break
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that's going to be a big one in Oklahoma City,
whether they rank because Dan Kaplis said yesterday and I

(32:33):
strongly protested that the thunder were an excellent team.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
He doesn't think they're built for the playoffs.

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Speaker 1 (34:30):
I've got a.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Random text from my brother earlier today and he's asking
me the following, I mean, where is this coming from?
He goes, if you had a vote, do you put
Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe in the Hall of Fame.
Shoeless Joe Jackson famously depicted in a couple of movies.
Eight Men Out. Great movie. John cusacks in that one,

(34:51):
and I think it's a great representation. What happened in
the nineteen nineteen World Series, the Black Sox scandal, that
was a stain on the game of baseball.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It almost ruined professional baseball.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Babe Ruth helped save it by the way in which
the White Sox were paid off by a gangster to
throw the nineteen nineteen World Series to the Cincinnati Reds.
There's a big investigation. There were lifetime bands issued by
Kennesaw Mountain Landis and Shoeless Joe Jackson, who was a
surefire Hall of Famer otherwise, was one of those players banned.

(35:26):
Ted Williams Teddy Ballgame, one of the great all time
hitters long campaign during his life for Shoeless Joe to
be reinstated and inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Well,
now that's going to be possible, along with Pete Rose.
This is an interesting development, Zach. Major League Baseball has
reinstated Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson, making them Hall

(35:47):
of Fame eligible. Commissioner Rob Manfred today announcing this. Rose's
permanent ban had been lifted eight months after his death
and came a day before the Reds will honor the
Baseball's all time career hits leader with Pete Rose Knight
forty two fifty six, I believe is where he ended up.

(36:08):
Ty Cobb Detroit Tigers was the former all time hits
leader at forty one ninety one, and I remember where
I was, and Pete Rose broke that record at forty
one ninety two against the San Diego Padres for the Reds. Zach,
what say you should shoeless Joe and Pete Rose be
in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
I think not. I don't know.

Speaker 8 (36:25):
I think they're amazing talents, They're clearly worthy of it.
But I do think there's something to be said for
if you're gambling on your own sport, you know, I
think it's fair to be banned from those highest forms
of acknowledgment for forever. You know, you look at the
Reds having a Pete Rose Knight. It's not like they
can't acknowledge Pete Rose in any way, shape or form.

(36:48):
He just can't go into the Hall of Fame because
of what he did, and I think that's fair. I
also think it's good to maybe keep that penalty.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
As a lifetime ban.

Speaker 8 (36:58):
A really steep thing as sports betting, because more and
more prevalent in today's day and age. That said, I
do think it's good that it's at least something people
are allowed to vote on. My vote would be a no,
but I think it's good that they're allowed to be
on a ballot.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
It'll be interesting to follow where it goes from here
and whether the steroid era hitters that have been blacklisted,
like Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, or even the
pitcher Roger Clements. I don't think they should ever get
in because I believe they cheated the game. And I
was teammates with the guy who pitched against Barry Bonds
and allowed two home runs in one game to Bonds,

(37:31):
Jason Middlebrook, who was not on steroids. And those were
the players I feel the worst four and the players
in the modern era.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
There are those who.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Used performance enhancing drugs, but it's just not routed up
the way that you knew it was going back to
the late nineties early two thousands. Aaron Judge therefore stands
out even more to me as a modern day power
hitter than those that had the enhancement of those artificial injections.
As far as my thoughts on these two players shoeless.
Joe Jackson was alleged to have accepted the payments, but

(38:03):
he's still hit north of three hundred in that World Series,
So the evidence that he tanked his performance is not there.
But the evidence that he took the money is he
was illiterate. There were some things. It's also depicted in
the Field of Dreams Ray Liota, I have some mixed
feelings on Joe Jackson. I'm gonna understand why somebody might

(38:23):
vote for him as far as Pete Rose a couple
of things. If he had been contrite and apologized and
showed true.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Remorse for what he did, I think he'd already be in.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
The Hall of Fame, but he didn't. The other part
to me is he was a Hall of Fame player.
There is no evidence that he gambled on the game
as a player. It was when he was a manager
later on his career, when everything else had already been
established as a hitter, that he was busted for gambling
and allegedly on his own team. But that came into
question later on What do you think five seven, seven,
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