January 6, 2026 • 36 mins
Sheriff Jason Mikesell, Teller County joins Ryan for a full hour in studio to update his campaign for Colorado governor in the Republican primary and preview Saturday's candidate forum moderated by Mandy Connell and Ryan in Greeley.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kyoway and HI Hard Radio stations guaranteed. Human a reminder that.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The GOP candidate Forum for the Republican the Governor's side
of Things coming up Saturday, Double Tree by Hilton Greeley
at Lincoln Park, hosted by Wells Ranch m Seed by
our good friend, the Sheriff of Weillod County, Steve Reims.
It'll be one thirty pm to three thirty pm in Saturday,
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January tenth. And as they've joked about with some other
participants in this forum, it's a battle of attrition at
this point. Originally six were invited. Victor Marx, who we
spoke with about it, declined the invitation didn't line up
with the schedule. Then Greg Lopez, who we spoke with yesterday,
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told us that he was changing affiliations from Republican to
unaffiliated and he's going to try to work his.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Way onto the ballot that way.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Then State Senator Mark Baisley is no longer participating because
he is now a candidate for US Senate. He wants
to go head to head with John Hickenlopper for that
seat here in twenty twenty six. So we are down
to State Representative Scott Bottoms you'll hear from him tomorrow
to start the program. State Senator Barb Kirkmeyer, who you
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will hear from as well, and our guest who will
join us now for the full hour in studio tell
our county Sheriff Jason Mike sel Sheriff. Thank you so
much for your time.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Thanks Ran, glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Appreciate this and this text from your neck of the woods. Ryan,
congrats on your new show. I'm in Colorado Springs and
it is a welcome relief to tune into your show. Previously,
I've been stuck with Richard Randall on KVOR and his
show is depressing, what really negative and full of conspiracy theories?
Quick pause there, Yet, we don't really delve into the
conspiracy theories in this program. I'll examine issues like is
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there concern with election integrity in Colorado? I happen to
believe that yes there is. But we're going to stick
to the facts and go where those take us.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
We're not going to invent theories out of whole cloth
and chase down rabbit holes based on speculation. It's just
not productive conversation in my view. But if you can
prove it, bring it and we'll talk about it considering the.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Other talent in the market.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Sorry, I can't stand Ross Kaminski and Mandy Connell seems
to be full of herself. Well, I like them both personally.
And Mandy I think she's great. I think she's really funny.
Maybe give her another shot. And Ross is doing the
new stuff over there with Gina Gondek in the mornings too.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Mike Rosen was so much better.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Well, Mike Rosen's a legend and he would fill in
for Rush Limbaugh on occasion, and he's still around here
once in a while.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I'll see him.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I know you're friends with those two talking about Ross
and Mandy, but they aren't for me anyway. Love your
show and keep up the great work. I will continue
to tune in appreciate that. And one of the things
I want to pride myself in in bringing you are
candidates like Sheriff Jason, Mike Soul who will be participating
I think in the forum on Saturday, or you have
an announcement for us today as well, shaff Ryan, I'll
be there. What do you make of the timber falling
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around you here in the primary?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, I think it's been a long road. I mean,
a lot of us have been in it since early
last year, and I think as we kind of see
and see how the state develops and where things are at,
you get a lot of people that are that are
looking for a different direction. And I think for me,
it's consistency. It's it's keeping that same momentum across sport
because it's a it's a marathon, not a race.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And as the sheriff of Teller County, it's it's beautiful
country there. And last time you were here, we spoke
about that. But just what the real problems are that
you're witnessing with your own constituents, that you witness from
your in your capacity as a sheriff, that prompted.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You to join the race.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, I think for me it was a little bit
different than a lot of the other candidates. You know,
I'm not doing this because I want to become a politician, right,
It's I'm doing this because I love Colorado, and I
think you have some that are probably in the race
to increase their status or their followings. For me, it's
about how people live and in my county we're facing
the same things you're dealing with the economy, how businesses
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are being destroyed by the state with all the regulations
and issues. You're dealing with crime and that's rising throughout
Colorado because we put an umbrella over criminals now and
we really take away the rights of victims. And you're
dealing with water right. Water is one of the biggest
issues in Mike County and it is across Colorado and
it's going to become one of the biggest issues. And
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then we deal with leadership, how the state is being led,
who's leading it and really what direction if any, they
have an understanding of what Colorado really is.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Sure, Chason Mike Sel our guests, you can find out
more about his campaign. I invite you to check out
his website, Mike Sel for gov dot com. Mike spelled
like the name Mike Sell, like you're selling something. Sel
the number four gov dot com. And on that note,
Sheriff Mike Sel, what is the message that you're selling
to voters out there? Because I know in my conversations
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with you, the people that I know who have gotten
to know you, there is that I think a very
viable alternative, as you mentioned, not a career politician in
this race. In the primary but in you and I
have discussed this quite frankly, one of your biggest obstacles
is going to be name recognition throughout the state. You've
been working on that, going to events, meeting people, that
sort of thing. But for people who are hearing you
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for the first time, what is your core message that
you're trying to sell to them?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I think consistency, right, somebody that's grew up here.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So I'm a third generation Colorado and I've got a
granddaughar that's now fifth I think understanding of the economy.
So what people don't realize is I actually own a
lot of businesses. I and my wife have a restaurants,
we have some apartments, We do some different things in
the real estate markets. So I understand where Colorado businesses sit.
The other side is I'm an active sheriff, which means
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I understand exactly why we have the criminal issue we
have in the state, Why we're the third highest assaults
on women in the United States, just and exactly why
that started and where we're at in Colorado's because we're
not taking response ability and dealing with offenders that need
to be held responsible for things.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
We're seeing President Trump address members of the GOP congressional delegation.
Right now, as we're in studio, I'll get to a
topic that has been controversial in dividing members of the
Republican Party, namely Representative Lauren Bobert and Jeff Hurd on
the issue and topic of water in a moment, but
he just said, and they were putting the slug up
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there on Fox News that he said twelve months of success.
It's been almost one year to the day that he
was sworn in as the forty seventh president of the
United States.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Sheriff, what grade would you give.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
President Trump in his performance in the job over this
first year and where.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Would you like to see some improvement from him.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
You know, it's hard to grade something just because we
don't know how it's all going to unfold yet. What
I will tell you is this is we are starting
to see an economy come back, and we are starting
to see an impact on crime and especially the drug
flow into the United States. I think that's one of
the biggest things.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Look.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Putting people on the border to stop that flow has
an effect on both sides, one economically throughout the United
States and then one also on slowing down the drugs
and the issues flowing into the United States. And I
know nobody really wants to talk about immigration, but I've
been one of the strongest advocates for in immigration push
and to stop criminals from being in Colorado. Not necessarily
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good people coming here to work, but definitely for criminals
across the state. And I think that's one of the
biggest issues we've seen, is that he is dealing with
criminals throughout different parts of the country. So I think
as we start to go past, because it's hard in
a year to say, you know, I've done all these
great things, Yet I think he's done wonderful things for
a lot of different areas.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
The invasion of Venezuela, the extraction of Nicholas Maduro. It
was a bold move by the Trump administration, our military
well executed, but it leaves a lot of questions in
place as to what comes next and how long the
US should be there, and some kind of inner governing capacity,
what to be done with the oil. What was your
reaction to what happened over this past weekend. Well, I
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think you have a dictator. He needs to be removed.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Here's the question I think that now we face as
a country is what do.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
We do next.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I have a young son who's in the airborne unit
here in the United States, So my concern is is
I really don't I hope that we don't attempt to
be an occupying force. Right, That's my biggest concern. And
the other side of it is what are we doing
for all the issues here in the US?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
We have oil and gas here in this state. We
really need to develop it here. We need to change
our economic impact of oil and gas in this state.
We need to get a movie again to create jobs.
So really working in another country. I understand that the
impact globally on why we can try to control that
to deal with the China and the Russian movements, But
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I really want to see Colorado do well and we
need to bring back our oil and gas here.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
First. I appreciate your son's service in the airborne Unit.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
By the way, in Teler County, Sheriff Jason mike Sels,
who you're hearing is a candidate for governor, will be
part of the forum on Saturday, along Representative of Scott
Bonhams and Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. Yours truly, Mandy Conne will
be moderating that event. We invite you to join. There
are still tickets available. It'll be a big event, should
be a lot of fun as well. Saturday, one thirty
pm to three thirty pm at the Double Tree by
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Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I want to get to this issue, Sheriff. You had
touched on it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And a previous guest of mind, Adam Dorito, who is
running for Congress in the eighth district, challenging Gabe Evans,
the sitting congressman, in a primary, and he supported President
Trump's veto of HR one thirty one, the Arkansas Valley
Conduit Act, which was co sponsored by partisan by Representative
Lauren Bobert in the fourth district and supported by Representative
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Jeff Hurt in the third district. Each of those districts
directly affected by this act. But here was Dorito's reasoning
as to why it should have been vetoed.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Trump vetoed the water pipeline bill today in Colorado, and
Bobert's all up in arms about it, and so has
Jeff heard and probably the rest of the Republicans who
don't understand anything about water. Well, what is the Arkansas
Valley condum would Act Hr. One thirty one. It was
designed to build and complete a water pipeline to provide
clean water to fifty thousand people. The pipeline spans one
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hundred and thirty miles at the cost of three hundred
and fifty million dollars to finish.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
That's over a million dollars a mile, if not way more.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It would be zero interest and reduced interest cost sharing,
and the bill would adjust an entire cost infrastructure for
local governments and water districts, making it easier for communities
to pay their share and for the project by eliminating
or lowering interest payments and extending repayment periods for seventy
five to one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It did not authorize a major new.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Federal outlay, but instead leveraged existing federal water infrastructure frameworks.
There's a problem with this because it needed to be
redesigned to be more efficient. President Trump is right on this.
It is not economically viable. It's like building a bridge
to nowhere in Alaska. It could be done cheaper and
better and more efficiently to the taxpayer.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Sheriff Mike sels Adam Deriedo right.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Was President Trump correct and vetoing the Arkansas Valley Conduit
Act or no.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, you know, there's a couple issues on this, and
I think that it's something to look at. You know,
President Trump's going to do what President Trump does, and
it's not here's a bigger issue for Colorado. Well, if
it's so important, why aren't we paying for it? That's
Colorado government. We're paying how much for wolves to put
them on the ground throughout Colorado? Bringing in all kinds
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of issues with that. Why would we put money first
towards fifty thousand residents that need clean water and not
be putting it into things that we don't need to
pay We're looking at clean water for people, Those are kids,
those are families. If it's so important we should be
paying for that, we should find a way in Colorado
to do so.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Triff Jason Mike's will Tell County joining US candidate for governor,
and a lot of issues that you might have questions about.
You can phone in three zero three seven to one
three eight two five five or textra.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Questions at five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
One of the things that's been coming up in this
campaign that seems to be a litmus test for a
lot of voters out there sheriff. Is the issue of
Tina Peters and whether or not she should be pardon Now,
the president's already executed a pardon the federal level, but
we know that doesn't necessarily hold weight or water when
it comes to a state level offence.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
And we have this story here, I want you respond
to it.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Former Colorado elections clerk Tina Peters is asking the state
appeals Court to recognize President Donald Trump's pardon as valid and.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
To order her release from prison.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Her lawyers argue the appeals court lacks jurisdiction because of
Trump's pardon. Despite long standing legal precedent, the presidential pardons
do not apply.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
To state convictions.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Colorado Attorney General Phil Wiser previously rejected the argument, calling
the idea that a president can pardon state crimes unprecedented unconstitutional.
Peters was convicted of state crimes for orchestrating a data
breach of election systems in Mesa County based on false
claims of voting machine fraud in the twenty twenty election.
According to this article, if the appeals Court rejects the
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pardon claim, Peter's attorneys say they will appeal to the
US Supreme Court. While her appeal of the underlying state
conviction continue sheriff. As governor, you would have the power
to pardon her yourself. Would you pardon her? Would you
commute her sentence? Would you let it stand as he is?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now, here's the thing with that case. I'm a law
and order person.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Right, she went through a jury of her peers in
Mason County, right, and was found guilty. But yet, here's
the thing that I don't understand on this case. How
a judge sentenced somebody to nine years to prison on
something that normally would have probably gotten some form of
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a probationary sentence. This is a first offense. I got
people that have attempted murders have had less time as
this person.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Right, So my question is is how do we not
look at the case as a normal case and go
it's not politically motivated in some form or other. Right,
even if a jury believed because that's a conservative county,
even if a jury to believe that she had done
something wrong, I've never seen a judge give that type
of a sentence for that type of a crime. I
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think I would pardon based on the sentencing issue. For
the time that she served I think that has to
be looked at. And here's the other side. You have
a president of the United States saying he's going to
give a pardon, and I understand states have rights, but
you also have an attorney general who's attempting to charge
a deputy out of a local sheriff's office in Mason County.
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So I find it funny that he's he's gonna fight
that regardless, right, because his whole push for his governor
challenge is I'm gonna fight Trump. So really, is this
not a political issue or is it now.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
A criminal issue? And I think now it's a political issue.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Dan Camplas hays the theory that Governor Jared pulis before
he leaves office, he'll have a list of state level
pardons that he'll make and that Tina Peters might be
just kind of one of those that he puts through
the shuffle. Just does it for political expediency. He doesn't
want to draw a lot of attention to it. He'll
get attention regardless. Do you believe Governor Polis will do that?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I don't think so. Now.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, here's the thing. His party controls him. We've
seen it through all the legislation. We've seen it through
the acts he's signed. He's one of those people. He's
going to do what he's told. Maybe that's a challenge
to him to not, but I would tell you from
what I've seen, especially on how he signed the immigration bills,
how he signed the gun bills, those are all pushes
from his party. Those are devastating effects for somebody to
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want in another position within the federal government, and especially
a runner for office.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I think he has to have that.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Sheriff Jason Mikes will joining US Teller County candidate for
governor here in the state of Colorado, participating in the
candidate forum. He'll be one of three this Saturday in Greeley,
one thirty to three thirty. One issue that has split
the other two candidates. I just want to get your
take on it as well. Sheriff Representative Scott Bottoms has
resolutely been against the bill that would become law on
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the issue of competency for defendants in the state of Colorado,
which has really backfired and turned into a complete disaster
in fiasco.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
We've seen it manifest itself on stories.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
That have made the national news in which this loophole
allows a defendant to go shrink shopping, and a psychiatrist
can say not fit to stand trial, not competent to
understand the charges against him. You have to release this person.
Like Solomon Gallaghan who attempted to kidnap a fifth grader
from an elementary school playground in broad Daylight. Was a
sex offender registered in Plublow, but because he was declared
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incompetent even at the protestations of his own mother and sister,
has to be allowed to go free if they run
out of space in the holding facility in a mental
health hospital where they have maybe a limited number of beds,
And of course we don't have.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Insane asylums quote unquote anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Senator Barb Kirkmeyer voted for that, so did Senator Mark Basley,
who is now running for US Senate. And now we
only have the benefit of hindsight being twenty twenty in
retrospect here. But Bottoms was right on this in my
opinion from the very beginning. You're seeing it from a
law enforcement perspective. Just how bad was this bill or
law and why would any Republican vote for it?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Well, I think the way it was presented, Yeah, the
way it was presented is why they voted for it. Now,
here's the problem. So when it goes to committee, you
have committees within the state capital that are really appointed Democrats. Right,
if you look at the makeup of the committees, most
of them are always appointed. So the party controls the direction.
Which who controls the party in Colorado a lot of
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it's ACLU attorneys. They're right in these things. So you
have to understand Bottoms is right and wrong. Right, it's
the way it was presented. But then the second piece
to that is, I have been involved where we've had
somebody that attempted to kill my deputies. He's actively trying
to murder a deputy. They fit through that loophole their
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sentences they didn't have to fulfill.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
They should have had an attempted.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Murder charge and instead they were able to escape through
on I'm going to see a psychiatrist and I'm going
to work through that.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Well.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
When they don't get to do that within their sentencing parameters,
they were released walking on the streets today. Here's the
problem with that. I've seen it on rape cases. I've
seen it on multiple types of cases. I disagree with it.
There should be an identifier to whom people can see,
not just willy nilly. I'm an attorney, so I'm going
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to go out and find the best psychologists that will
do the review that I want right because you're paying
for it. The problem in the state is we need
to say asylums back, we need some type of sanatorium types. Now,
they don't need to be called that. I know that
we got rid of those, and there was reasons at
the time, but look at the homeless on the streets.
These are behavioral health issues. These are not criminal issues.
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These are not help the needy type issues. These are
behavioral health issues that we have serious problems and concerns
because nobody takes them, nobody.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Looks at them.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And you have a state hospital that's twenty three hundred
beds behind. Go to Fort Lyons here in Colorado, Bent
County and look at the destruction that's happened in that
town because we have a location that we are sending
all the homeless from Denver to to get them off
the streets, to identify for Poulas and everyone else that
you have a safe Denver. But you're making unsafe towns
all over the rest of Colorado. You're doing it on
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the front Range. You're doing it by Montrose, Colorado. There
is a lot of issues with what do we do
with our behavioral health concerns.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
He's the Sheriff of Teller County, Jason Mike Sel, our
guest candidate for governor participating in the Republican Candidate Forum
that'll be at the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley at
Lincoln Park Saturday, one thirty pm to three thirty pm,
along with State Representative Scott Bottoms and State Senator Barb Kirkmeyer.
If you have a question, you can phone it in
three zero three, seven to one to three eight two
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five five or texted in seven seven three nine. Much
more was Sheriff Mike Sell. When we come back after
this on Ryan Schuling Live the Republican Governor Candidate Forum Saturday,
one thirty pm to three thirty pm, Double Tree by
Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You won't want to miss it.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Being hosted by Wells Ranch, being mc'ed by I'm a
Good Friend. Wild County Sheriff Steve Reams with three participating candidates,
including our in studio guest Teller County Sheriff Jason Mike Sel,
State Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. State Representative Scott Bottoms also will
be in attendance, inviting you to join. You can find
out more online simply by searching Republican Governor Candidate Forum
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in Greeley. Karen Ryan Schuling live. As I mentioned, Sheriff
Mike sel in studio with me. Now, there's a lot
of rivalry in this state between the county sheriffs, and
I have to believe that you have some kind of
interactions at some point with a sheriff Steve Riems in
welld County or perhaps a Darren Weekley in Douglas County.
Why is Teller County better? Sheriff Mike sel go about better?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
But you know what's funny is that there's four sheriffs
that I really work a lot with, and that's that's
Steve Reams at Weld County, Darren Weakley because he borders
my county, and then Joe roy Ball out of Alpaso
County great sheriffs, and really across the state of Colorado,
you have great sheriffs, right, I've stood shouldered shoulder with
them on multiple occasions. In fact, you know those sheriff's offices,
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you know many of those were the ones that stood
with people at the state Capitol last year to fight
for the Second Amendment. And I tell you I just
couldn't ask for a better group of people. But Steve
Reims straight shooter, so is Darren Weakley, and and really
a good friend of mine. We actually cross deputized all
of our deputies to be in each other's counties.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And that's Joe roy Ball. What a great sheriff.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Sheriff you mentioned fighting for Second Amendment rights of your constituents,
the people that you are hired to serve and protect.
And I've spoken about this with Sheriff Reems as well,
and he had made national news I remember at one
point by saying he was not going to act or
enforced necessarily a red flag law that he felt was
in the violation of the constitutional rights of the people
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in his county. We now have some more, in my opinion,
egregious affronts on the Second Amendment. I think these very
laws that you're talking about that you showed up at
the state Capitol steps to protest against, but they're scheduled
to go in effect here in August of twenty twenty six,
severely restricting access to firearms and the due process second
Amendent rights of Colorado citizens.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Where do you stand on that issue? How would you
handle it as governor?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You know, here's the thing as a governor, I would
join the lawsuit against the state. Wow, right, Because here's
a thing. As a governor, you're supposed to protect the
constituents of the state. Those are both democratic, independent, unaffiliated Republicans.
All You've had sixty four sheriffs come out against it,
you had police chiefs come out against it, you had
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groups throughout Colorado come out against it. We wrote letters
to the governor saying don't sign this, and all got
signed in a law and it's not done by a majority.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That should have been put.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
To the people to decide on, not just the legislative body,
not just committees, because that's really who pushed it, was committees.
And then really, look, it's costing millions of dollars to
local infrastructures across Colorado. At this point, it's changing how
the Department of Wildlife, who was actually CPW deals with things.
They're now becoming more of a policing force rather than
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what they're supposed to be, which is to deal with
the animals and the environment of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Let me follow up on what you just stated there,
because that's a truly remarkable number if you're telling me
that all sixty four county sheriffs came out against these
new gun laws that are being implemented, and I know
a couple in particular that stand out, but that would
include Denver County, Boulder County, I mean Blue counties as well.
Why do you think it's been such a unified front
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for county sheriffs at that level against these Well, I
think cost and enforceability, and I think too, it's really
destroying sheriff's authority within their own communities, right, and it's
pitting us against the population. And I think they did
that on purpose.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
In fact, there was a Basin Acre when I dealt
with him at the Capitol.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He's one that said, hey, if.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Sheriffs believe, unfortunately that they're the constitution protectors, and what
he also said was, unfortunately the constituents believe that sheriffs
are the constitutional protectors of citizens. Well, the problem is
we are. That's what we sign an oath to do.
And I think for the state of Colorado to use
a very small amount of people that allegislate a body
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to change laws Colorado to make it harder for people
to protect themselves purchase something that is legal to own.
Is a big issue in Colorado. And it won't change crime.
All of us said it won't change crime.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Jason Michael is the sheriff of Teller County. He knows
this first and foremost on the front lines as a
sheriff in law enforcement. And watch this play out our
Second Amendment rights but also crime writ large and in general.
And I got to have you respond because this is
a potential opponent for you if you were to make
it to the general election earn the nomination of the
Republican Party against current Attorney General Democrat Phil Wiser, who
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is considered one of the front runners along with Senator
Michael Bennett to earn the Democrat nomination. This is from
July of twenty twenty two, and every time I hear it,
I just I can't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
After someone commits a third or fourth car theft in
say three months, they should be kept in with a
really high bond because you got a sense they're gonna
get out, they're gonna commit more crimes.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
So my question to that sheriff is. So the first
and second car thefts, those are okay, you get freebies there,
you get mulligans. By the third one though, by the
third car theft in the third month, well we better.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Do something about it.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, I mean, he should know he helped change law
right to make it less. That was under his administration.
He could have stood up and said, no, we're not
going to change.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
What we see.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
We got rid of the three strike law right where
we had three misterimeus, it creates a felony. Three felonies
create a higher enhance charge of a felony. We got
rid of those under his watch. And that's what I
don't think people understand. He's the attorney general right that
has really launched a crusade to go after law enforcement
officers in the state of Colorado. Is that the person
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that you really want to be able to protect Colorado?
Because here's the thing. In Colorado, we're going to be
dealing with a lawless.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Society at this point.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
They're able to do whatever they want because they're not
being prosecuted to the foot extent. Well, do you really
want somebody that's going to push that and create it
even worse? Yeah, third time, we should do something. Come on,
what about the first time? Those that's people's I've had
stories of people that have had to deal with a
car theft or a work truck theft. They actually put
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in the beacons so that you can follow it to
where they're at. Try to get a Denver PD to
go to it, cover that vehicle, try to get another
agency because they don't feel like a if they have
that happen and they try to deal with it, there's
nothing going to be done anyways, and that they would
be held accountable for going after this car and something occur.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So in this.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
State, you're gonna need somebody that's gonna love law enforcement
and you're gonna do more enforcement actions right and protect
them because what's happened is law enforcement does not feel protected.
They feel like they're going to be prosecuted by the
Attorney General's office in the state. You get an attorney
general that's attempting to pull law enforcement academies away from
agencies to make it more public college type academies which
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fall under more accreditation type pieces and different through community colleges,
where really the law enforcement organizations should have more of
a say as to how we deal with that. They're
trying to put it into effect. Or he is to
where law enforcement academies have to be strictly given types
of information to give to students. Instead of having the
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old veteran come in and talk about how to deal
with crime, now we're making them have to read from
a book as to how it's said. Any you want
to do that, you want the Attorney General to teach
and preach to you how you're going to do things.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Sheriff Jason Mike sel Teller County candidate for governor on
the Republican side. Find out more about his campaign. Mike
selfourgov dot com. That's m I K E S E
L L number four go ov dot dot com. You
got a question, you can call in three zero three
seven one three eight two five five. You can text
us well five seven seven three nine. We come back
to wrap up this hour in our full conversation with
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the sheriff. Another comment from Phil Wiser, current Attorney general
candidate for governor, on the controversial stance and the state
of Colorado in which therapists can only affirm gender dysphoria
with LGBTQ individuals especially the youth. Aaron Lee, a good
friend of the program, the founder of Protect Kids Colorado,
(28:53):
commenting on a recent decision by Children's Hospital in Denver
Health pausing gender reassigned surgeries, puberty blockers, etc. But not
outright banning them within the state. We'll get his stance
on that issue and maybe some others as well. We
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Now.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
This court has shown us before they're willing to go
far outside their headlights. They're not as sensitive around LGBTQ
quality as I wish they were, So we're gonna have
to wait and see. What I can say is I'm
proud of the argument we made, and I'm gonna keep
fighting for equal rights for all and to make sure
that the LGBTQ community in Colorado knows that we've got
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their back.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But what was Phil wi Is, their attorney general candidate
for governor talking about there. He was proud of the
state's argument on behalf of the LGBTQ community, as he
calls it. But every individual that is lgbt or Q
is different them in a one category. Just file them
in the one silo, but he made the argument at
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the Supreme Court level against therapists refusing to affirm gender dysphoria.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
There should be a menu of options.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Gender dysphoria is real, but it shouldn't be the only
option to affirm that dysphoria. That maybe you talk through
it through therapy, and maybe it is something that a child,
and often this is the case, they grow out of it.
Here's Aaron Lee, founder of Protect Kids Colorado, on a
decision made this week by Children's Hospital here in Colorado
and Denver Health pausing a child gender reassignment surgeries and
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others such quote unquote care.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Okay, this is a little win and I'm going to
take it. Children's Hospital Colorado and Denver Health are temporarily
pausing the chemical castration and surgical mutilation of children's healthy bodies.
But this is not the end of the road. This
is not the solution to the problem. We cannot take
our foot off the gas. Over sixty hospitals in the
state of Colorado, we're still mutilating children's healthy bodies. These
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doctors are fleeing here for our legal protections. House Field
twenty five Dosh thirteen oh nine mandates that all private
insurers must cover these procedures for kids.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
They are still happening.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
The doctors are going to be opening up private practices,
moving into strip malls. We are a child mutilation sanctuary state.
This is a big setback, but we have a lot
of work to do. We must pass ballid Measure number
one ten.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
So go to protect kids.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Colorado dot org to find out more, sign up to
carry a petition. We have five weeks left to make
the ballot. We must outlaw this and make sure that
every doctor in the state of Colorado is stopped.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Aaron Lee has helped head up the effort for three
such ballot initiative proposals. They're trying to gather signatures for those,
and she was directly impacted by her daughter going through
an a doctrination club that was erroneously intentionally entitled art club,
but it was an LGBTQ in doctrination club. Sheriff Jason
Michael joins us for this final segment of the hour.
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I want you to address this issue, share but exactly
where you stand on it. Because Adam de Rito differed
from Representative Gabe Evans, who did not want to sign
a bill that was brought to the House floor by
Marjorie Taylor Green, which would criminalize these surgeries for kids
and therefore prosecute doctors who would performed them. He instead
wanted to just remove federal funding for these procedures and
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felt that under the weight of itself, that that would
limit them in a state like Colorado.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Aaron Lee, I know, agrees with Dorito on this. Where
are you on it?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
You know, I just don't know where logic's going in
Colorado anymore.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That's the problem I have. Here's the issue with this is.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We're doing elective surgeries for children that are under the
age of eighteen, and we're expecting the state to pay
for it. We're forcing insurance companies to have to cover it.
This is why insurance companies are costing us so much
here in Colorado, and we're losing our insurances for older
generations than other people. The other side is we're also
losing our doctors to private industry because this is so
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lucrative for them. Right it's state fund, it's insurance funded,
were mandating it's become a very expensive elective piece of surgery,
and then for the drugs being used. I don't think
children should have to deal with this until they're after eighteen. Right,
no one should be electively doing any of these surgeries
until a child has the ability to make their own
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decisions at an adult level.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Devil's Advocate.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yep, there are proponents of these procedures, and you can
watch Matt Welsh's documentary What Is a Woman? And I
would highly recommend that you do. But proponents say that
these are not elective surgeries. They're mandatory because if you
don't affirm this child's gender psychologically, psychiatrically, that instead of having, say,
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a living son, you'll have a dead daughter if you
don't go ahead and support their transition. What would you
say to a parent or a doctor that would contend that,
You know, I've been a parent. I had three boys,
right they grew up. I'd love them for whomever they
would be.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
But here's the issue. When we're forcing.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Children to make a decision when they're not able to
make a decision yet, then is it really not elective?
Is it we're mandating them by making them decide on something.
That's the problem. There shouldn't be a club in a school.
I shouldn't send my children to school anymore, and have
something that's telling them what they should be or shouldn't be,
and I've seen it in our own school systems and
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it's sad to me. So here's my piece to it,
and I guess this is it. I'm just tired of
the BS. I'm tired of people being told what they
can do and what they can do, and I'm tired
of Colorado paying for it. And what really bothers me
is it in a state governor's race you have governor
candidates trying to identify this as a major issue for them,
whereas really, we should be dealing with the economy, we
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should be dealing with the crime, we should be dealing
with water, we should be dealing with the ways of
life for people here throughout Colorado, because that's what government's
supposed to stand for, instead of dealing with affirmating legislation
and making things laws. I think if a parent believes
that they have to take their child and do this,
you're not going to change that. They'll go somewhere else.
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You're not changing their decision process. And it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
His website, Mike Soel for gov dot com. It's m
I K E. S E L L. The number four
g o V dot com.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Teller County Sheriff Jason Michel, candidate for governor, part of
the forum on Saturday with Senators Barb Kirkmeyer and Representative
Scott Bottoms. And that'll be from one thirty pm to
three thirty pm at the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley
at Lincoln Park. Thank you so much for your time today, Sheriff.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Thanks Ryan
Kyoway and HI Hard Radio stations guaranteed. Human a reminder that.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The GOP candidate Forum for the Republican the Governor's side
of Things coming up Saturday, Double Tree by Hilton Greeley
at Lincoln Park, hosted by Wells Ranch m Seed by
our good friend, the Sheriff of Weillod County, Steve Reims.
It'll be one thirty pm to three thirty pm in Saturday,
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January tenth. And as they've joked about with some other
participants in this forum, it's a battle of attrition at
this point. Originally six were invited. Victor Marx, who we
spoke with about it, declined the invitation didn't line up
with the schedule. Then Greg Lopez, who we spoke with yesterday,
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told us that he was changing affiliations from Republican to
unaffiliated and he's going to try to work his.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Way onto the ballot that way.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Then State Senator Mark Baisley is no longer participating because
he is now a candidate for US Senate. He wants
to go head to head with John Hickenlopper for that
seat here in twenty twenty six. So we are down
to State Representative Scott Bottoms you'll hear from him tomorrow
to start the program. State Senator Barb Kirkmeyer, who you
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will hear from as well, and our guest who will
join us now for the full hour in studio tell
our county Sheriff Jason Mike sel Sheriff. Thank you so
much for your time.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Thanks Ran, glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Appreciate this and this text from your neck of the woods. Ryan,
congrats on your new show. I'm in Colorado Springs and
it is a welcome relief to tune into your show. Previously,
I've been stuck with Richard Randall on KVOR and his
show is depressing, what really negative and full of conspiracy theories?
Quick pause there, Yet, we don't really delve into the
conspiracy theories in this program. I'll examine issues like is
(01:54):
there concern with election integrity in Colorado? I happen to
believe that yes there is. But we're going to stick
to the facts and go where those take us.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
We're not going to invent theories out of whole cloth
and chase down rabbit holes based on speculation. It's just
not productive conversation in my view. But if you can
prove it, bring it and we'll talk about it considering the.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Other talent in the market.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Sorry, I can't stand Ross Kaminski and Mandy Connell seems
to be full of herself. Well, I like them both personally.
And Mandy I think she's great. I think she's really funny.
Maybe give her another shot. And Ross is doing the
new stuff over there with Gina Gondek in the mornings too.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Mike Rosen was so much better.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Well, Mike Rosen's a legend and he would fill in
for Rush Limbaugh on occasion, and he's still around here
once in a while.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I'll see him.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I know you're friends with those two talking about Ross
and Mandy, but they aren't for me anyway. Love your
show and keep up the great work. I will continue
to tune in appreciate that. And one of the things
I want to pride myself in in bringing you are
candidates like Sheriff Jason, Mike Soul who will be participating
I think in the forum on Saturday, or you have
an announcement for us today as well, shaff Ryan, I'll
be there. What do you make of the timber falling
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around you here in the primary?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, I think it's been a long road. I mean,
a lot of us have been in it since early
last year, and I think as we kind of see
and see how the state develops and where things are at,
you get a lot of people that are that are
looking for a different direction. And I think for me,
it's consistency. It's it's keeping that same momentum across sport
because it's a it's a marathon, not a race.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And as the sheriff of Teller County, it's it's beautiful
country there. And last time you were here, we spoke
about that. But just what the real problems are that
you're witnessing with your own constituents, that you witness from
your in your capacity as a sheriff, that prompted.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You to join the race.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, I think for me it was a little bit
different than a lot of the other candidates. You know,
I'm not doing this because I want to become a politician, right,
It's I'm doing this because I love Colorado, and I
think you have some that are probably in the race
to increase their status or their followings. For me, it's
about how people live and in my county we're facing
the same things you're dealing with the economy, how businesses
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are being destroyed by the state with all the regulations
and issues. You're dealing with crime and that's rising throughout
Colorado because we put an umbrella over criminals now and
we really take away the rights of victims. And you're
dealing with water right. Water is one of the biggest
issues in Mike County and it is across Colorado and
it's going to become one of the biggest issues. And
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then we deal with leadership, how the state is being led,
who's leading it and really what direction if any, they
have an understanding of what Colorado really is.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Sure, Chason Mike Sel our guests, you can find out
more about his campaign. I invite you to check out
his website, Mike Sel for gov dot com. Mike spelled
like the name Mike Sell, like you're selling something. Sel
the number four gov dot com. And on that note,
Sheriff Mike Sel, what is the message that you're selling
to voters out there? Because I know in my conversations
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with you, the people that I know who have gotten
to know you, there is that I think a very
viable alternative, as you mentioned, not a career politician in
this race. In the primary but in you and I
have discussed this quite frankly, one of your biggest obstacles
is going to be name recognition throughout the state. You've
been working on that, going to events, meeting people, that
sort of thing. But for people who are hearing you
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for the first time, what is your core message that
you're trying to sell to them?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I think consistency, right, somebody that's grew up here.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So I'm a third generation Colorado and I've got a
granddaughar that's now fifth I think understanding of the economy.
So what people don't realize is I actually own a
lot of businesses. I and my wife have a restaurants,
we have some apartments, We do some different things in
the real estate markets. So I understand where Colorado businesses sit.
The other side is I'm an active sheriff, which means
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I understand exactly why we have the criminal issue we
have in the state, Why we're the third highest assaults
on women in the United States, just and exactly why
that started and where we're at in Colorado's because we're
not taking response ability and dealing with offenders that need
to be held responsible for things.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
We're seeing President Trump address members of the GOP congressional delegation.
Right now, as we're in studio, I'll get to a
topic that has been controversial in dividing members of the
Republican Party, namely Representative Lauren Bobert and Jeff Hurd on
the issue and topic of water in a moment, but
he just said, and they were putting the slug up
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there on Fox News that he said twelve months of success.
It's been almost one year to the day that he
was sworn in as the forty seventh president of the
United States.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Sheriff, what grade would you give.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
President Trump in his performance in the job over this
first year and where.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Would you like to see some improvement from him.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
You know, it's hard to grade something just because we
don't know how it's all going to unfold yet. What
I will tell you is this is we are starting
to see an economy come back, and we are starting
to see an impact on crime and especially the drug
flow into the United States. I think that's one of
the biggest things.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Look.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Putting people on the border to stop that flow has
an effect on both sides, one economically throughout the United
States and then one also on slowing down the drugs
and the issues flowing into the United States. And I
know nobody really wants to talk about immigration, but I've
been one of the strongest advocates for in immigration push
and to stop criminals from being in Colorado. Not necessarily
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good people coming here to work, but definitely for criminals
across the state. And I think that's one of the
biggest issues we've seen, is that he is dealing with
criminals throughout different parts of the country. So I think
as we start to go past, because it's hard in
a year to say, you know, I've done all these
great things, Yet I think he's done wonderful things for
a lot of different areas.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
The invasion of Venezuela, the extraction of Nicholas Maduro. It
was a bold move by the Trump administration, our military
well executed, but it leaves a lot of questions in
place as to what comes next and how long the
US should be there, and some kind of inner governing capacity,
what to be done with the oil. What was your
reaction to what happened over this past weekend. Well, I
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think you have a dictator. He needs to be removed.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Here's the question I think that now we face as
a country is what do.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
We do next.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I have a young son who's in the airborne unit
here in the United States, So my concern is is
I really don't I hope that we don't attempt to
be an occupying force. Right, That's my biggest concern. And
the other side of it is what are we doing
for all the issues here in the US?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
We have oil and gas here in this state. We
really need to develop it here. We need to change
our economic impact of oil and gas in this state.
We need to get a movie again to create jobs.
So really working in another country. I understand that the
impact globally on why we can try to control that
to deal with the China and the Russian movements, But
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I really want to see Colorado do well and we
need to bring back our oil and gas here.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
First. I appreciate your son's service in the airborne Unit.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
By the way, in Teler County, Sheriff Jason mike Sels,
who you're hearing is a candidate for governor, will be
part of the forum on Saturday, along Representative of Scott
Bonhams and Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. Yours truly, Mandy Conne will
be moderating that event. We invite you to join. There
are still tickets available. It'll be a big event, should
be a lot of fun as well. Saturday, one thirty
pm to three thirty pm at the Double Tree by
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Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I want to get to this issue, Sheriff. You had
touched on it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And a previous guest of mind, Adam Dorito, who is
running for Congress in the eighth district, challenging Gabe Evans,
the sitting congressman, in a primary, and he supported President
Trump's veto of HR one thirty one, the Arkansas Valley
Conduit Act, which was co sponsored by partisan by Representative
Lauren Bobert in the fourth district and supported by Representative
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Jeff Hurt in the third district. Each of those districts
directly affected by this act. But here was Dorito's reasoning
as to why it should have been vetoed.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Trump vetoed the water pipeline bill today in Colorado, and
Bobert's all up in arms about it, and so has
Jeff heard and probably the rest of the Republicans who
don't understand anything about water. Well, what is the Arkansas
Valley condum would Act Hr. One thirty one. It was
designed to build and complete a water pipeline to provide
clean water to fifty thousand people. The pipeline spans one
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hundred and thirty miles at the cost of three hundred
and fifty million dollars to finish.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
That's over a million dollars a mile, if not way more.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It would be zero interest and reduced interest cost sharing,
and the bill would adjust an entire cost infrastructure for
local governments and water districts, making it easier for communities
to pay their share and for the project by eliminating
or lowering interest payments and extending repayment periods for seventy
five to one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It did not authorize a major new.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Federal outlay, but instead leveraged existing federal water infrastructure frameworks.
There's a problem with this because it needed to be
redesigned to be more efficient. President Trump is right on this.
It is not economically viable. It's like building a bridge
to nowhere in Alaska. It could be done cheaper and
better and more efficiently to the taxpayer.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Sheriff Mike sels Adam Deriedo right.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Was President Trump correct and vetoing the Arkansas Valley Conduit
Act or no.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, you know, there's a couple issues on this, and
I think that it's something to look at. You know,
President Trump's going to do what President Trump does, and
it's not here's a bigger issue for Colorado. Well, if
it's so important, why aren't we paying for it? That's
Colorado government. We're paying how much for wolves to put
them on the ground throughout Colorado? Bringing in all kinds
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of issues with that. Why would we put money first
towards fifty thousand residents that need clean water and not
be putting it into things that we don't need to
pay We're looking at clean water for people, Those are kids,
those are families. If it's so important we should be
paying for that, we should find a way in Colorado
to do so.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Triff Jason Mike's will Tell County joining US candidate for governor,
and a lot of issues that you might have questions about.
You can phone in three zero three seven to one
three eight two five five or textra.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Questions at five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
One of the things that's been coming up in this
campaign that seems to be a litmus test for a
lot of voters out there sheriff. Is the issue of
Tina Peters and whether or not she should be pardon Now,
the president's already executed a pardon the federal level, but
we know that doesn't necessarily hold weight or water when
it comes to a state level offence.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
And we have this story here, I want you respond
to it.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Former Colorado elections clerk Tina Peters is asking the state
appeals Court to recognize President Donald Trump's pardon as valid and.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
To order her release from prison.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Her lawyers argue the appeals court lacks jurisdiction because of
Trump's pardon. Despite long standing legal precedent, the presidential pardons
do not apply.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
To state convictions.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Colorado Attorney General Phil Wiser previously rejected the argument, calling
the idea that a president can pardon state crimes unprecedented unconstitutional.
Peters was convicted of state crimes for orchestrating a data
breach of election systems in Mesa County based on false
claims of voting machine fraud in the twenty twenty election.
According to this article, if the appeals Court rejects the
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pardon claim, Peter's attorneys say they will appeal to the
US Supreme Court. While her appeal of the underlying state
conviction continue sheriff. As governor, you would have the power
to pardon her yourself. Would you pardon her? Would you
commute her sentence? Would you let it stand as he is?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now, here's the thing with that case. I'm a law
and order person.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Right, she went through a jury of her peers in
Mason County, right, and was found guilty. But yet, here's
the thing that I don't understand on this case. How
a judge sentenced somebody to nine years to prison on
something that normally would have probably gotten some form of
(13:52):
a probationary sentence. This is a first offense. I got
people that have attempted murders have had less time as
this person.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Right, So my question is is how do we not
look at the case as a normal case and go
it's not politically motivated in some form or other. Right,
even if a jury believed because that's a conservative county,
even if a jury to believe that she had done
something wrong, I've never seen a judge give that type
of a sentence for that type of a crime. I
(14:25):
think I would pardon based on the sentencing issue. For
the time that she served I think that has to
be looked at. And here's the other side. You have
a president of the United States saying he's going to
give a pardon, and I understand states have rights, but
you also have an attorney general who's attempting to charge
a deputy out of a local sheriff's office in Mason County.
(14:45):
So I find it funny that he's he's gonna fight
that regardless, right, because his whole push for his governor
challenge is I'm gonna fight Trump. So really, is this
not a political issue or is it now.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
A criminal issue? And I think now it's a political issue.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Dan Camplas hays the theory that Governor Jared pulis before
he leaves office, he'll have a list of state level
pardons that he'll make and that Tina Peters might be
just kind of one of those that he puts through
the shuffle. Just does it for political expediency. He doesn't
want to draw a lot of attention to it. He'll
get attention regardless. Do you believe Governor Polis will do that?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I don't think so. Now.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, here's the thing. His party controls him. We've
seen it through all the legislation. We've seen it through
the acts he's signed. He's one of those people. He's
going to do what he's told. Maybe that's a challenge
to him to not, but I would tell you from
what I've seen, especially on how he signed the immigration bills,
how he signed the gun bills, those are all pushes
from his party. Those are devastating effects for somebody to
(15:42):
want in another position within the federal government, and especially
a runner for office.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I think he has to have that.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Sheriff Jason Mikes will joining US Teller County candidate for
governor here in the state of Colorado, participating in the
candidate forum. He'll be one of three this Saturday in Greeley,
one thirty to three thirty. One issue that has split
the other two candidates. I just want to get your
take on it as well. Sheriff Representative Scott Bottoms has
resolutely been against the bill that would become law on
(16:12):
the issue of competency for defendants in the state of Colorado,
which has really backfired and turned into a complete disaster
in fiasco.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
We've seen it manifest itself on stories.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
That have made the national news in which this loophole
allows a defendant to go shrink shopping, and a psychiatrist
can say not fit to stand trial, not competent to
understand the charges against him. You have to release this person.
Like Solomon Gallaghan who attempted to kidnap a fifth grader
from an elementary school playground in broad Daylight. Was a
sex offender registered in Plublow, but because he was declared
(16:46):
incompetent even at the protestations of his own mother and sister,
has to be allowed to go free if they run
out of space in the holding facility in a mental
health hospital where they have maybe a limited number of beds,
And of course we don't have.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Insane asylums quote unquote anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Senator Barb Kirkmeyer voted for that, so did Senator Mark Basley,
who is now running for US Senate. And now we
only have the benefit of hindsight being twenty twenty in
retrospect here. But Bottoms was right on this in my
opinion from the very beginning. You're seeing it from a
law enforcement perspective. Just how bad was this bill or
law and why would any Republican vote for it?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Well, I think the way it was presented, Yeah, the
way it was presented is why they voted for it. Now,
here's the problem. So when it goes to committee, you
have committees within the state capital that are really appointed Democrats. Right,
if you look at the makeup of the committees, most
of them are always appointed. So the party controls the direction.
Which who controls the party in Colorado a lot of
(17:46):
it's ACLU attorneys. They're right in these things. So you
have to understand Bottoms is right and wrong. Right, it's
the way it was presented. But then the second piece
to that is, I have been involved where we've had
somebody that attempted to kill my deputies. He's actively trying
to murder a deputy. They fit through that loophole their
(18:09):
sentences they didn't have to fulfill.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
They should have had an attempted.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Murder charge and instead they were able to escape through
on I'm going to see a psychiatrist and I'm going
to work through that.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Well.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
When they don't get to do that within their sentencing parameters,
they were released walking on the streets today. Here's the
problem with that. I've seen it on rape cases. I've
seen it on multiple types of cases. I disagree with it.
There should be an identifier to whom people can see,
not just willy nilly. I'm an attorney, so I'm going
(18:40):
to go out and find the best psychologists that will
do the review that I want right because you're paying
for it. The problem in the state is we need
to say asylums back, we need some type of sanatorium types. Now,
they don't need to be called that. I know that
we got rid of those, and there was reasons at
the time, but look at the homeless on the streets.
These are behavioral health issues. These are not criminal issues.
(19:01):
These are not help the needy type issues. These are
behavioral health issues that we have serious problems and concerns
because nobody takes them, nobody.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Looks at them.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And you have a state hospital that's twenty three hundred
beds behind. Go to Fort Lyons here in Colorado, Bent
County and look at the destruction that's happened in that
town because we have a location that we are sending
all the homeless from Denver to to get them off
the streets, to identify for Poulas and everyone else that
you have a safe Denver. But you're making unsafe towns
all over the rest of Colorado. You're doing it on
(19:30):
the front Range. You're doing it by Montrose, Colorado. There
is a lot of issues with what do we do
with our behavioral health concerns.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
He's the Sheriff of Teller County, Jason Mike Sel, our
guest candidate for governor participating in the Republican Candidate Forum
that'll be at the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley at
Lincoln Park Saturday, one thirty pm to three thirty pm,
along with State Representative Scott Bottoms and State Senator Barb Kirkmeyer.
If you have a question, you can phone it in
three zero three, seven to one to three eight two
(19:58):
five five or texted in seven seven three nine. Much
more was Sheriff Mike Sell. When we come back after
this on Ryan Schuling Live the Republican Governor Candidate Forum Saturday,
one thirty pm to three thirty pm, Double Tree by
Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You won't want to miss it.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Being hosted by Wells Ranch, being mc'ed by I'm a
Good Friend. Wild County Sheriff Steve Reams with three participating candidates,
including our in studio guest Teller County Sheriff Jason Mike Sel,
State Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. State Representative Scott Bottoms also will
be in attendance, inviting you to join. You can find
out more online simply by searching Republican Governor Candidate Forum
(20:38):
in Greeley. Karen Ryan Schuling live. As I mentioned, Sheriff
Mike sel in studio with me. Now, there's a lot
of rivalry in this state between the county sheriffs, and
I have to believe that you have some kind of
interactions at some point with a sheriff Steve Riems in
welld County or perhaps a Darren Weekley in Douglas County.
Why is Teller County better? Sheriff Mike sel go about better?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
But you know what's funny is that there's four sheriffs
that I really work a lot with, and that's that's
Steve Reams at Weld County, Darren Weakley because he borders
my county, and then Joe roy Ball out of Alpaso
County great sheriffs, and really across the state of Colorado,
you have great sheriffs, right, I've stood shouldered shoulder with
them on multiple occasions. In fact, you know those sheriff's offices,
(21:23):
you know many of those were the ones that stood
with people at the state Capitol last year to fight
for the Second Amendment. And I tell you I just
couldn't ask for a better group of people. But Steve
Reims straight shooter, so is Darren Weakley, and and really
a good friend of mine. We actually cross deputized all
of our deputies to be in each other's counties.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And that's Joe roy Ball. What a great sheriff.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Sheriff you mentioned fighting for Second Amendment rights of your constituents,
the people that you are hired to serve and protect.
And I've spoken about this with Sheriff Reems as well,
and he had made national news I remember at one
point by saying he was not going to act or
enforced necessarily a red flag law that he felt was
in the violation of the constitutional rights of the people
(22:06):
in his county. We now have some more, in my opinion,
egregious affronts on the Second Amendment. I think these very
laws that you're talking about that you showed up at
the state Capitol steps to protest against, but they're scheduled
to go in effect here in August of twenty twenty six,
severely restricting access to firearms and the due process second
Amendent rights of Colorado citizens.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Where do you stand on that issue? How would you
handle it as governor?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You know, here's the thing as a governor, I would
join the lawsuit against the state. Wow, right, Because here's
a thing. As a governor, you're supposed to protect the
constituents of the state. Those are both democratic, independent, unaffiliated Republicans.
All You've had sixty four sheriffs come out against it,
you had police chiefs come out against it, you had
(22:54):
groups throughout Colorado come out against it. We wrote letters
to the governor saying don't sign this, and all got
signed in a law and it's not done by a majority.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That should have been put.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
To the people to decide on, not just the legislative body,
not just committees, because that's really who pushed it, was committees.
And then really, look, it's costing millions of dollars to
local infrastructures across Colorado. At this point, it's changing how
the Department of Wildlife, who was actually CPW deals with things.
They're now becoming more of a policing force rather than
(23:25):
what they're supposed to be, which is to deal with
the animals and the environment of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Let me follow up on what you just stated there,
because that's a truly remarkable number if you're telling me
that all sixty four county sheriffs came out against these
new gun laws that are being implemented, and I know
a couple in particular that stand out, but that would
include Denver County, Boulder County, I mean Blue counties as well.
Why do you think it's been such a unified front
(23:52):
for county sheriffs at that level against these Well, I
think cost and enforceability, and I think too, it's really
destroying sheriff's authority within their own communities, right, and it's
pitting us against the population. And I think they did
that on purpose.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
In fact, there was a Basin Acre when I dealt
with him at the Capitol.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He's one that said, hey, if.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Sheriffs believe, unfortunately that they're the constitution protectors, and what
he also said was, unfortunately the constituents believe that sheriffs
are the constitutional protectors of citizens. Well, the problem is
we are. That's what we sign an oath to do.
And I think for the state of Colorado to use
a very small amount of people that allegislate a body
(24:38):
to change laws Colorado to make it harder for people
to protect themselves purchase something that is legal to own.
Is a big issue in Colorado. And it won't change crime.
All of us said it won't change crime.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Jason Michael is the sheriff of Teller County. He knows
this first and foremost on the front lines as a
sheriff in law enforcement. And watch this play out our
Second Amendment rights but also crime writ large and in general.
And I got to have you respond because this is
a potential opponent for you if you were to make
it to the general election earn the nomination of the
Republican Party against current Attorney General Democrat Phil Wiser, who
(25:15):
is considered one of the front runners along with Senator
Michael Bennett to earn the Democrat nomination. This is from
July of twenty twenty two, and every time I hear it,
I just I can't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
After someone commits a third or fourth car theft in
say three months, they should be kept in with a
really high bond because you got a sense they're gonna
get out, they're gonna commit more crimes.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
So my question to that sheriff is. So the first
and second car thefts, those are okay, you get freebies there,
you get mulligans. By the third one though, by the
third car theft in the third month, well we better.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Do something about it.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, I mean, he should know he helped change law
right to make it less. That was under his administration.
He could have stood up and said, no, we're not
going to change.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
What we see.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
We got rid of the three strike law right where
we had three misterimeus, it creates a felony. Three felonies
create a higher enhance charge of a felony. We got
rid of those under his watch. And that's what I
don't think people understand. He's the attorney general right that
has really launched a crusade to go after law enforcement
officers in the state of Colorado. Is that the person
(26:22):
that you really want to be able to protect Colorado?
Because here's the thing. In Colorado, we're going to be
dealing with a lawless.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Society at this point.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
They're able to do whatever they want because they're not
being prosecuted to the foot extent. Well, do you really
want somebody that's going to push that and create it
even worse? Yeah, third time, we should do something. Come on,
what about the first time? Those that's people's I've had
stories of people that have had to deal with a
car theft or a work truck theft. They actually put
(26:53):
in the beacons so that you can follow it to
where they're at. Try to get a Denver PD to
go to it, cover that vehicle, try to get another
agency because they don't feel like a if they have
that happen and they try to deal with it, there's
nothing going to be done anyways, and that they would
be held accountable for going after this car and something occur.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So in this.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
State, you're gonna need somebody that's gonna love law enforcement
and you're gonna do more enforcement actions right and protect
them because what's happened is law enforcement does not feel protected.
They feel like they're going to be prosecuted by the
Attorney General's office in the state. You get an attorney
general that's attempting to pull law enforcement academies away from
agencies to make it more public college type academies which
(27:36):
fall under more accreditation type pieces and different through community colleges,
where really the law enforcement organizations should have more of
a say as to how we deal with that. They're
trying to put it into effect. Or he is to
where law enforcement academies have to be strictly given types
of information to give to students. Instead of having the
(27:58):
old veteran come in and talk about how to deal
with crime, now we're making them have to read from
a book as to how it's said. Any you want
to do that, you want the Attorney General to teach
and preach to you how you're going to do things.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Sheriff Jason Mike sel Teller County candidate for governor on
the Republican side. Find out more about his campaign. Mike
selfourgov dot com. That's m I K E S E
L L number four go ov dot dot com. You
got a question, you can call in three zero three
seven one three eight two five five. You can text
us well five seven seven three nine. We come back
to wrap up this hour in our full conversation with
(28:31):
the sheriff. Another comment from Phil Wiser, current Attorney general
candidate for governor, on the controversial stance and the state
of Colorado in which therapists can only affirm gender dysphoria
with LGBTQ individuals especially the youth. Aaron Lee, a good
friend of the program, the founder of Protect Kids Colorado,
(28:53):
commenting on a recent decision by Children's Hospital in Denver
Health pausing gender reassigned surgeries, puberty blockers, etc. But not
outright banning them within the state. We'll get his stance
on that issue and maybe some others as well. We
come back after this on Ryan Shuling Life. Don't let
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Now.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
This court has shown us before they're willing to go
far outside their headlights. They're not as sensitive around LGBTQ
quality as I wish they were, So we're gonna have
to wait and see. What I can say is I'm
proud of the argument we made, and I'm gonna keep
fighting for equal rights for all and to make sure
that the LGBTQ community in Colorado knows that we've got
(30:44):
their back.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But what was Phil wi Is, their attorney general candidate
for governor talking about there. He was proud of the
state's argument on behalf of the LGBTQ community, as he
calls it. But every individual that is lgbt or Q
is different them in a one category. Just file them
in the one silo, but he made the argument at
(31:05):
the Supreme Court level against therapists refusing to affirm gender dysphoria.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
There should be a menu of options.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Gender dysphoria is real, but it shouldn't be the only
option to affirm that dysphoria. That maybe you talk through
it through therapy, and maybe it is something that a child,
and often this is the case, they grow out of it.
Here's Aaron Lee, founder of Protect Kids Colorado, on a
decision made this week by Children's Hospital here in Colorado
and Denver Health pausing a child gender reassignment surgeries and
(31:37):
others such quote unquote care.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Okay, this is a little win and I'm going to
take it. Children's Hospital Colorado and Denver Health are temporarily
pausing the chemical castration and surgical mutilation of children's healthy bodies.
But this is not the end of the road. This
is not the solution to the problem. We cannot take
our foot off the gas. Over sixty hospitals in the
state of Colorado, we're still mutilating children's healthy bodies. These
(32:00):
doctors are fleeing here for our legal protections. House Field
twenty five Dosh thirteen oh nine mandates that all private
insurers must cover these procedures for kids.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
They are still happening.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
The doctors are going to be opening up private practices,
moving into strip malls. We are a child mutilation sanctuary state.
This is a big setback, but we have a lot
of work to do. We must pass ballid Measure number
one ten.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
So go to protect kids.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Colorado dot org to find out more, sign up to
carry a petition. We have five weeks left to make
the ballot. We must outlaw this and make sure that
every doctor in the state of Colorado is stopped.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Aaron Lee has helped head up the effort for three
such ballot initiative proposals. They're trying to gather signatures for those,
and she was directly impacted by her daughter going through
an a doctrination club that was erroneously intentionally entitled art club,
but it was an LGBTQ in doctrination club. Sheriff Jason
Michael joins us for this final segment of the hour.
(32:59):
I want you to address this issue, share but exactly
where you stand on it. Because Adam de Rito differed
from Representative Gabe Evans, who did not want to sign
a bill that was brought to the House floor by
Marjorie Taylor Green, which would criminalize these surgeries for kids
and therefore prosecute doctors who would performed them. He instead
wanted to just remove federal funding for these procedures and
(33:23):
felt that under the weight of itself, that that would
limit them in a state like Colorado.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Aaron Lee, I know, agrees with Dorito on this. Where
are you on it?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
You know, I just don't know where logic's going in
Colorado anymore.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
That's the problem I have. Here's the issue with this is.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We're doing elective surgeries for children that are under the
age of eighteen, and we're expecting the state to pay
for it. We're forcing insurance companies to have to cover it.
This is why insurance companies are costing us so much
here in Colorado, and we're losing our insurances for older
generations than other people. The other side is we're also
losing our doctors to private industry because this is so
(34:02):
lucrative for them. Right it's state fund, it's insurance funded,
were mandating it's become a very expensive elective piece of surgery,
and then for the drugs being used. I don't think
children should have to deal with this until they're after eighteen. Right,
no one should be electively doing any of these surgeries
until a child has the ability to make their own
(34:24):
decisions at an adult level.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Devil's Advocate.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yep, there are proponents of these procedures, and you can
watch Matt Welsh's documentary What Is a Woman? And I
would highly recommend that you do. But proponents say that
these are not elective surgeries. They're mandatory because if you
don't affirm this child's gender psychologically, psychiatrically, that instead of having, say,
(34:47):
a living son, you'll have a dead daughter if you
don't go ahead and support their transition. What would you
say to a parent or a doctor that would contend that,
You know, I've been a parent. I had three boys,
right they grew up. I'd love them for whomever they
would be.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
But here's the issue. When we're forcing.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Children to make a decision when they're not able to
make a decision yet, then is it really not elective?
Is it we're mandating them by making them decide on something.
That's the problem. There shouldn't be a club in a school.
I shouldn't send my children to school anymore, and have
something that's telling them what they should be or shouldn't be,
and I've seen it in our own school systems and
(35:28):
it's sad to me. So here's my piece to it,
and I guess this is it. I'm just tired of
the BS. I'm tired of people being told what they
can do and what they can do, and I'm tired
of Colorado paying for it. And what really bothers me
is it in a state governor's race you have governor
candidates trying to identify this as a major issue for them,
whereas really, we should be dealing with the economy, we
(35:50):
should be dealing with the crime, we should be dealing
with water, we should be dealing with the ways of
life for people here throughout Colorado, because that's what government's
supposed to stand for, instead of dealing with affirmating legislation
and making things laws. I think if a parent believes
that they have to take their child and do this,
you're not going to change that. They'll go somewhere else.
(36:11):
You're not changing their decision process. And it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
His website, Mike Soel for gov dot com. It's m
I K E. S E L L. The number four
g o V dot com.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Teller County Sheriff Jason Michel, candidate for governor, part of
the forum on Saturday with Senators Barb Kirkmeyer and Representative
Scott Bottoms. And that'll be from one thirty pm to
three thirty pm at the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley
at Lincoln Park. Thank you so much for your time today, Sheriff.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
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