Jimmy Sengenberger, investigative journalist and columnist for The Denver Gazette, joins Ryan to discuss this egregious, heavy-handed state-run Pravda hit piece by The @DenverPost on CO citizens exercising their free speech rights, designed to put them in the line of fire for deranged lunatics. Thing is, much of @DoBetterDNVR reporting is spot-on. So why is The Post carrying water for Denver's Democrat leaders?
Jimmy Sengenberger on X: "The @denverpost doxed 3 sources who don't run @DoBetterDNVR—digging through CORA requests to unmask critics of City Hall. Why? Because they passed some material to the citizen journalism account that dares to show Denver in decay. Today @DenverGazette: https://t.co/Dhn57gYByh https://t.co/wOCETJT1mq" / X
George Brauchler, 23rd District Attorney joins Ryan to comment on attorney general Phil Weiser targeting Mesa County sheriff's deputies who cooperated with ICE via a Signal chat in order to assist in the apprehension of a college student who overstayed her visa and failed to renew it.
https://apnews.com/article/colorado-deputies-immigration-arrest-signal-chat-0a5bad90d8e66ba77e31bf3511377aa4
https://youtu.be/R-0lts7fuL4?si=QN30ev9oLiQc0FIi
Jimmy Sengenberger on X: "The @denverpost doxed 3 sources who don't run @DoBetterDNVR—digging through CORA requests to unmask critics of City Hall. Why? Because they passed some material to the citizen journalism account that dares to show Denver in decay. Today @DenverGazette: https://t.co/Dhn57gYByh https://t.co/wOCETJT1mq" / X
George Brauchler, 23rd District Attorney joins Ryan to comment on attorney general Phil Weiser targeting Mesa County sheriff's deputies who cooperated with ICE via a Signal chat in order to assist in the apprehension of a college student who overstayed her visa and failed to renew it.
https://apnews.com/article/colorado-deputies-immigration-arrest-signal-chat-0a5bad90d8e66ba77e31bf3511377aa4
https://youtu.be/R-0lts7fuL4?si=QN30ev9oLiQc0FIi
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, if you thought our one was jam packed with action, boy,
have I got an upgrade for you? Hour number two.
We're going to shift into overdrive in my Forward Focus. Yeah,
I drive American. Got a lot of texts on that's
including from the original perpetrator. Does it feel good to carshame?
I mean, that's what I'm asking the texter. Do you
(00:20):
feel better about yourself that you can talk down to
me because I drive a Ford Focus, Because I'm a
real American hulk Cogan style, because I am from the
Motor City and I support American automakers. That bothers you.
This is so funny how the party has shifted. Oh my,
how the turn tables. As Michael Scott said on The Office,
(00:42):
Democrats once proud to support the working class, the nine
to fivers, the ham and agers, those that live paycheck
to paycheck, that work on the assembly lines, that get
their hands dirty, that work on cars every single day,
that churn them out, pride of the American automobile industry
for decades, the unions, the a fl CIO, the UAW,
(01:07):
proudly Democratic leaders through and through. These were the people
that were represented, we were told by the Democratic Party.
But the Modern Democratic Party. Oh no, you're supposed to
be shamed for driving afford focus.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You should upgrade your car.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Don't you want to fit in amongst the higher crust
of society. Don't you want to go to the parties
at Martha's Vineyard? And no, we went. You're not gonna
let the help in. We want to you know, no
human is illegal, but we just don't want them here.
That should be border towns in Texas their problem. That
should be Ronda Santis' problem in Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
We don't want them here. Are they the help?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, we'll hire them and they'll change our sheets and
are throw out our garbage and garden our lawns and
pick our crops. But who will pick our crops if
not for the illegal aliens? But we don't want them here,
not permanently, not around.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I just do. We live in gated communities and mansions
and we.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Don't want them here. But you in Laredo, Texas and
on the border now, gottlie Arizona, you should have to
deal with that problem. That's your problem. That's the Modern
Democratic Party in a nutshell. And they are better than us.
If you drive anything less than what they approve of
(02:23):
and to fit in with their society type. They're high
muckety MUCKs. Then you are a ne'er do well and
you are not welcome in their supposed big ten party.
So Flyber Country, Rust Belt, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin. Yeah,
we don't want your votes. Wait a minute, electoral math
gets a little tough from there where the Democrats you're
gonna win election. We went in Dane to condescend from
(02:48):
the mountaintops to speak to any of you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, come to Colorado, but we all gonna go to
like you know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Aspen and Vail and the resort town will do that
will stop, then we're gonna get out. And other than that,
it's just you know, the coastal states.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That's where we want to reside.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I don't want to be with all you people.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Okay, okay, I'm done for now.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Jimmy Sangenberger filled in for Mandy Connell, who continues to
be on the mend.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
We wish her well in her recovery from surgery.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
It was rather abrupt to so there I was Christian
Toto Here's truly at the KOA one hundredth celebration on
Thursday night and there was Mandy talking, We're having a
good time. She seemed fine, and I don't know exactly
what happened. I just know that I'm also friends with Chuck,
who's an amazing man, by the way, a veteran hero
of this country. And he posted on Facebook that she
(03:41):
had gone in for surgery, and I was really concerned
about that. But then we got word pretty quickly thereafter
that she was doing very well, very well, excellently. But
in the meantime, our good friend, our intrepid reporter Jimmy
Sangenberger for the Denver Gazette, also an op ed columnist
for them, has dug into this story that Dan Kaplis
has been covering in depth on his program about Do
(04:03):
Better Denver and the people behind that handle on X.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And I had to bring Dan along that.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It's not a website that you can go join or follow.
And Dan's a boomer. We got to be patient with
our boomers. And just as Jimmy, as a millennial is
patient with his gen xers, that's me and he makes
fun of me all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
There will never be a gen X president.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Ryan JD.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Vans is next.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You get passed up again.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Latchkey kid.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, well I got some lunchables in the fridge. Okay,
That's how I'm gonna get by. But the serious story
behind this Do Better Denver mutual follow of mine on
x and Jimmy as well. They pride themselves on the following.
This is on their Twitter x handle description citizen journalist
(04:48):
reporting crowdsource content. Let's find compassionate, tough love solutions to homelessness.
This didn't sit well with the commis at the Denver Post.
And I say that not as a pejorative but as
a literal sentiment, because they have turned into Pravda. Any
inconvenient narrative for the Johnston administration, the city of Denver,
(05:08):
and the Democrats who run it is.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Going to be blocked and knocked.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Down by an outlet in the Denver Post that is
refusing to do to cover the very stories that do Better.
Denver is exposing and why when the mainstream media turns
a blind eye, that opens the void for citizen journalists
to fill in with pertinent information and details. And a
lot of this comes via core requests. And this is
(05:36):
where we pick up the story because what the Denver
Posts and one of its so called reporters was effectively
doing was doxing these people to reveal their identities, to
put them in the line of fire for some deranged
lunatic leftists to know where they live. And the explanation
we were given by some so called expert in media
(05:57):
studies what they are kind of partial public figure and
therefore that makes them journalists, and thereby that means that
they're going to be the subject of scorn and they
have to expect that there will be dangers presented to
them and directed at them. You can follow him at
Saying Center. Senng Ce and ter Jimmy Sangenberger take us
(06:21):
from there. If you would please appreciate you joining me
live in studio.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
This is one of those stories that just grinds my
gears when I read it. I read it and I
immediately knew I'm writing about this for my Tuesday column,
and I had the opportunity to do an interview with
the actual person behind do better denver who. I won't
say who that person is, although for the story they
(06:50):
did confirm who their identity is, what her name is,
and all.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Of that so that I could vet.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
But I'm not going to out a person who specifically says, look,
my coverage is done in a way that is meant
to be anonymous. And look, let's go back to the
founding of the country, and let's go back to the
Federalist papers. There was a pseudonym of Publius behind the
Federalist papers. We know now there was James Madison, John
(07:16):
Jay and Alexander Hamilton, and we knew who wrote each
of the individual papers, at least most of them.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But they publicly went under Publius.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Well, this is a modern day Publius and do Better Denver.
And I can absolutely, unequivocally confirm that the three women
who were feeding information to do Better Denver, as the
Denver Post.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Reports, are not behind the.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Account, and on the contrary, have provided very little, as
a proportion, very little information. But the Denver Post KORRA
did an Open Records Act request to get open records
requests from those three individuals that had provided material to
Do Better Denver. And that's part of how they were
(08:02):
able to out to dox people who simply said, here
are some videos, here's some information, and that apparently is
enough for the Denver Post to expose them and in.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Ways that included as you know Ryan from the.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Story included political registration because that's so important, even real
estate information and their names.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So there's no shame in this for the Denver Post
as far as I can tell, they're not going to
apologize for doxing the wrong people, which, as you outline, Jimmy,
these are simply the go betweens, the intermediaries that are
providing the information. So you know, I feel like a
little bit like V for Vendetta and we are all
(08:47):
do better Denver and we're all going to wear the
masksartius I do better Denver. Yeah, I'll tell everybody. I'm
do better Denver. Jimmy's do better Denver, Kelly's do better Denver.
And the more that we can kind of broaden that horizon,
the more difficult it's going to be for the likes
of the Denver Post to go on this. And you
called it a witch hunt, and this is from the
(09:09):
interview that you conducted. Now I will say I have
some messages with the same person who you're talking about,
and she was concerned coming on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
A show like this.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Now it's audio, and now she has she told me
a distinctive voice that would be recognized by people and
that it would be better to do a conversation like
she did with you print so now we just get
the words and not the voice behind it. But I
want to start here, and I do mean because what's
good for the goose is good for the gander.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Shelly Bradbury, What the hell?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
This is the reporter so called for the Denver Post
that's doing all this. We have reached out to her,
Kelly correct by both phone call and text yes, email, yes, okay,
requesting that she come on just explain herself, go on
the Dan Camplish'll talk about it. Back up your reporting.
Why are you doing this? Crickets silence nothing. Did you
(09:59):
have to get in contact with Shelley Bradbury?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I did not, And there are particular reasons I don't
want to get into why I did.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Not conflict Because you work for a competing paper.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That is something relative to that.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I mean, it's not every day that, for example, I'm
going to write a column that we'll call out the Post,
which is a competing paper. Right, there's just it's sort
of something you don't normally do. But this is this
is a rare circumstance where it's like, okay, this is
called for because this is so egregious. I mean, I
say in the column today entitled do Better Denver under
attack from the media, that this is not journalism. This
(10:38):
is a witch hunt, plain and simple. And that's what
it is.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And here's part of the example of why this is
the case.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Because if your objective as a journalist is to sort
of get under the hood a little bit and get
a better understanding of what this account is, what they
do talk about, that that's one thing. It's another thing
if you communicate with the per behind the account and
the person says, I want to be anonymous, and you
have a policy at the Denver Post, as they say
(11:07):
in the article, we will interview people and allow them
to share anonymous.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know, that's part of the policy.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
How many other sources are anonymous and off the record.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Gosh, absolutely, And I've interviewed sources off the record or anonymous,
and you know, they say, you can quote me, but
I want to be anonymous because I'm a teacher in
Denver public schools and I'm upset over their discipline policies
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I worry about reprisals. Yeah, Shelly Bradburn gonna ask
her I want to ask her, why is it okay
for her to have anonymous sources, but this anonymous source
needs to be outed.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yes, or if that outlets source.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
So in this case she said, okay, I would I'll
do an interview, but I want you to keep confidential
who I am. Why they have said no, why because
this is nothing has nothing to do with understanding the account.
I believe this is all about exposing the EXAs absolutely
because why else would you expose three people who give
(12:06):
a percent, no more than one percent of all the
stuff that has been posted from do Better Denver comes
from these three individuals, these sources. Why would you Denver
post out the outlets or the citizen journalism account sources
if not, because you want to intimidate, to shame, to
(12:27):
go after whatever it is. And I think it's reeks
of pandering to the Johnston administration market.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And there's a pattern of this if you go back
to Chaia Raichuck and she is behind libs of TikTok yes,
and it was Taylor Lorenz, that absolutely insane person who
made it her mission to out the identity of Chiareichuck.
And the question then goes to why, what is the
(12:52):
purpose of this doc sing by Shelley Bradbury. What is
the general public good that is being served by doing this?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Where in any kind of journalistic.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Ethics course would you cite this as doing good journalism?
And further to that point, if this were an underground
group of liberals behind a Twitter and axe handle, and
they decided they were going to expose what was going
on in Douglas County with Sheriff Darren Weakley and DA
George Brockler, who will join us after the break, would
(13:25):
they do the same thing to that liberal hand only answer,
of course, it's a rhetorical question, absolutely not, And there
is your bias. Yes.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I mean, look when I was asked, okay, I'll have
this conversation, all of that keep me anonymous because of
death threats that have come because of professional reasons. You know,
this is not this person's job. They have an entirely
different paid job and they don't get paid make any dime.
They say, she said, from this account, I'm not gonna
(13:56):
violate that you're reporting on trende at Ragua like I
at least have institutional backing from the Denver Gazette or
I'm here on KIW or over on her sister station
of KOA to better Denver has no institutional backing, so
of course the Denver Post will willingly bully her and
her private citizen sources with impunity because they can, and
(14:19):
they feel with impunity they can get away with it.
Why wouldn't you you have the opportunity to interview the person,
get a better understanding.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Of the account.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Why wouldn't you say sure, I'll guarantee you anonymity.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Right, So this is this is heavy handed. This is
heavy handed. This is worse than that. It's worse than
this is heavy handed done with intent, yes, to intimidate.
These are mafia like tactics in which Shelley Bradbury and
the Denver Post are being willing accomplices of the left
to squash inconvenient narratives that expose here's the thing, truths.
(14:57):
Where is the fault in the reporting? Which that's fair game.
You attack the actual content and say this bears some
kind of explanation. But on the other hand, over here, yes,
this is actually correct information. You can call balls and
strikes that has nothing to do with what they're doing here.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yes, and the account will issue occasionally corrections when something's wrong.
Like this is citizen journalism, right, and they'll make mistakes
or they'll share that's okay. We are in an era
where people are going to spotlight things on their social
media platforms and sometimes it will take off, like do
(15:34):
Better Denver.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
There are other accounts I seventy things. Have you ever
seen what they got?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Crazy things that happen on I seventy those are shared there,
or there's accounts like Denver Today with an underscore I'm
from Denver. They share all kinds of things, sometimes about
shootings that happen or other things. Does that mean that
whoever sends them the videos that they should expose that person?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
From the intimidation factor, there is now going to be
reticence to send do Better Denver staff because they're worried.
People are worried that being a source for Do Better
Denver is going to get there this chilling effect. And
here's a chilling effect exactly as I say my college,
if the Denver Post was doing its job on the
guy that's doing his job, you must be the other guy,
(16:18):
Mark Wahlberg. Okay, then they would.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Enlist the services of a do Better Denver Going on,
we are underrepresented in conservative voices out there. To balance
this equation and picture that should be true objective journalism,
Why don't you.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Come on board with us and call it like you
see it. The reason why do.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Better Denver exists at all in the first place is
because news outlets like nine News and like the Denver
Posts have an implicit inherent bias and a script that
they stick to and they will not deviate from, and
they cannot expose inconvenient narratives for the people for whom
they carry the water.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
There is that old expression and I want to get
the definition, but remember yellow journalism like this, This is
the modern day yellow journalism, and it's it's sensationalism, and
it is let's attack and go after somebody who is
inconvenient to the Johnston administration.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's a it's done to enforce and that's the key
word here, an agenda, and that's what Denver Post is doing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
This is sick. This is a disgrace. It should be
a national story.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I'm hoping he gets that kind of traction like Laura
Ingram covers this on Fox News, because this is absolutely egregious.
One final question, Jimmy Short on time Jimmy Stangenberger with
us in your conversation your interview with the woman behind
Do Better Denver, were there any other details that stood
out about her experience her story, because, like you said,
you and I have chosen to enter the public sphere.
That's our job, that's what we do. She did not
(17:51):
choose that, and the Denver Post is choosing that for her.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, Oh absolutely it was.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It was, as she says, I really started to see
things changing rap looking at what is happening in Denver,
and it's I'm just starting to spotlight this stuff. And
then people are starting to send me things, hundreds, if
not thousands of people sending videos and other fronts. That's
why she uses the term crowdsourced right, because it is
coming from other people, and that I think is a
(18:18):
big aspect of the new wave and it's an important
piece to the media ecosystem. You have outlets like we
are at gayaw and talk radio. You have the social
media platforms of Do Better Denver, and you have a
responsible journalistic output like the Denver Gazette.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Subscribe to the Denver Gazette, maybe not the Denver Post.
Jimmy Sangenberger with his article where refresh that in a moment.
But this is the same reason why why did Rush
Limbaugh explode in the late eighties on the national sites,
because there was an underserved market that was not being represented,
that whose voices were not being heard.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
The reason Do Better Denver.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Jimmy, is exploding the way that you just described is
because there is a void of that type of information
to balance the equation in the picture.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And that is why Do Better Denis is so important and.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
The story is very powerful when you see it right
before you and it goes viral on social media, and
that's what they're afraid of.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's entitled do Better Denver under attack from the media
that is blowing up in the Twitter verse, the x
verse and online. The op ed offered up by Jimmy
Sangenberger for the Denver Gazette. Very important work that he's doing,
very important work that Do Better Denver's doing. We're happy
to bring it to you here today. Thanks Jimmy, Thank you.
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The Mason County Sheriff is taking aim at Attorney General
filed Wiser say the ag is sending a demoralizing message
his words to law enforcement by unfairly enforcing the state's
law against sharing information with federal immigration officials. Def seven's
Ryan Fish Live in the newsroom now, and Ryan, it
was the action that may Sheriff's deputy from Masa County
that brought to light that signal group chat with ICE
(21:18):
and other agencies.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
That's right, Channa, and there's a lot going on here.
So let's start from the beginning. Last month, the Mesa
County deputy conducted a traffic stop on a nineteen year
old college student from the University of Utah who's originally
from Brazil. Now, the Attorney General's office says she hadn't
expired visa but no criminal history, and that the deputy
then used that signal group chat to alert Ice. The
deputy let her go, but Ice arrested her shortly afterwards,
(21:43):
and she spent two weeks at the GEO facility in Aurora.
Attorney General Phil Wiser then filed a lawsuit against that deputy,
claiming he violated Colorado's law against sharing information with immigration officials.
Now that brings us to today. The Mesa County sheriff
released an administrative review where he apologize to the college
student and says his department should not have been involved
(22:03):
in what led to her attention. He also announced discipline
for five sheriff's deputies, including the one at the center
of Wiser's lawsuit, who will get three weeks of unpaid
leave and get reassigned. But the sheriff says his department
is being unfairly treated. He claims the other agencies in
this group Chat, like Colorado State Patrol, also share information
with ICE and should be held to the same legal standard,
(22:26):
or Wiser should drop the lawsuit and let the agencies
just handle it themselves. Denver seven has reached out to
the Mason Ketty the Sheriff's office for comment, and CSP
denies they violated the law, but they do say they
are no longer sharing information in that group chat. The
Attorney General's Office says it's investigating if there were other
officers in this group chat who broke the law. And
(22:46):
we'll keep following up on this developing story for now
Live in the newsroom. Rifish, Denver seven.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Denver seven, Mesa County Sheriff Todd Royal is who he
is talking about there in this story, and it's just
very interesting to me were Wiser chooses to prioritize his lawsuits,
his activity. It's the Trump administration, it's a local law
enforcement cooperating with ICE. And before I ask any questions
of our next guest, he is the one time opponent
(23:14):
of Phil Wiser in the race for Attorney General. George
Brockler the DA in the twenty third our guest on
Ryan Scherling Live, George, thanks for your time as always.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Good thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Your reaction to what you just heard off the gate.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Well, that's frustration and you can hear it in the
Mason County Sheriff's voice, and the information that they put
out is that this is just incredibly frustrating. I think
people ought to divorce themselves from their disagreement with the
law it self. The laws bonkers. It makes us less safe.
It really works towards the benefit of those people who
(23:49):
are lawbreakers, whether they're merely oversteeing their visa like this
woman student at Utah, or their downright criminal. It doesn't
matter if you divorce yourself from that. And you look
at how Phil approached this thing. It screams politics. And
that's the frustration you hear in the sheriff voice. And
this is what I mean by that. This law is
brand frigginnew, like a couple weeks when this thing happens.
(24:12):
What took place here is not offensive to anyone, but
it's facts that lend themselves to a nice narrative for
a guy who's running for governor, and so had he
not been running for governor, my guess is this is
a conversation that's had over the phone, an email, or
even a sternly worded letter that gets sent from the
AG's office to the sheriff that just says, hey, we've
(24:32):
become aware of this thing. We believe this is violetive
of this statute, and we strongly encourage you to discontinue this.
Give us a heads up. About your thoughts, that kind
of thing, This is what you do with the new
law in that kind of a situation. But instead he
went right to guns, and that to me screams, I'm
running for office. I need the headlines.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I want to focus on the insanity for a moment.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
George. I know you said we've got to put aside
the law and it's bonkers, it's but I want to
dig into that a little bit because it is pas
insane now with this Utah college student, she over stated
her visa.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Who's responsible for that? Her? She is, and we have
no personal responsibility.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I mean, no, she's not violative of criminal activity in
excessive that, but she, by virtue, by literal definition overstaying
that visa is in this country illegally. So that's one thing.
Is she a threat to society? Well no, But now
you're getting into gray areas because what if this was
a trend, Dear Ragua Doug a drug dealer, gun runner,
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prostitute trafficker, then Phil Wiser would have to have the
same approach and the same philosophy and the same actions
against these very MESA county sheriff's deputies.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That shared information.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So what we're saying, then, is the rights of criminals
and of illegal aliens who are here breaking our laws,
they supersede the safety the well being of those who
you and Darren Weekly the share of Douglas County are
elected to serve and protect the citizens of your county.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
George, how do you square that?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I don't think you can, and I think that if
your Phil, what you hide behind is Hey, I'm just
the rule of law guy, So when the legislature passes this,
it is my obligation to try to enforce these laws.
So he'll hide from hide behind that. But your point
is a good one. Had the person that this deputy's
wick In and Rowl or whatever his last name is, Hey,
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had this person been a trenda Aragua guy, a drug smuggler,
anybody like that, there's no chance at all, and nobody
believes it that Phil would have filed up a lawsuit
and gined up the media to follow it. It is
only because of the perfect scenario here, which is an innocent, nice,
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young college student who merely overstate her visa, it would
be hard to find something more benign that would still
fall under IS's purview. It became the perfect narrative for
a guy who needs to get media to show Aha,
I'm tough on these Trump anti immigrant things, and I'm
gonna stand up for Colorado law. Best guess is if
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we could get into Wiser's emails and those of his
staff and see what other information has come forward. They've
been tipped off to stuff like this before, but they
handpicked this one, not because of timing but because of
perfect facts.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
George Brockler d in the twenty third. I keep coming
back to this though. If I was, let's say, a
student abroad in Italy and I overstayed my visa there
to be there legally, and I was no longer there
legally and Georgia Maloney decided my butt had to go,
then you know, buy the ticket, take the ride.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It'd be my fault, be my responsibility.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
This young woman is responsible for renewing her visa or
not she didn't. There are consequences to your actions. I mean,
this is as simple as that. George, I'm going nuts here.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Yeah, it's a choice of laws taking place here, and
I think it's obvious there's some selective enforcement here. We
just need to get more facts to prove it up.
But you know, at the risk of violating the rule
of law for the Feds, we're enforcing this ridiculous statute
that's going to be the quote unquote rule of law
under the state statute that this thing is more insidious
(28:19):
than this. And I'll give you an example that touches
us and what we do on a regular basis. There's
something called you visas, and you visas, if you haven't
heard of them, exist to provide up to five years
of legal status for an illegal who's here for purposes
of making sure they're available as a victim oral witness
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to help us prosecute the bad guys. Okay, that's something
that's been around for a long time. It's a valuable
tool for us to get the bad guys when the
witness or victim is someone who has who's here illegally.
So this you visa process has always been a matter
of discretion with the law enforcement executive share chief of police,
district attorney, and so on. State statute was changed a
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couple of years ago to mandate that people like me
sign and certify that someone has been cooperative, which is
a key to getting the visa, has been cooperative even
if I have no information that they've been cooperative.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
In fact, the state.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Law says, I have to presume them cooperative for purposes
of certifying this federal document unless I have evidence that
they've been uncooperative. And you can see why they do
this here. This now encourages people to come forward and say, oh, George,
I was the victim of domestic violence a couple few
years ago, outside the reach of the Statute of Limitations,
but I'm a victim.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I've said I'd cooperate in.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Any way possible. And now the state law, a Julie
Gonzales law, comes in and says, now, George, you must
certify these facts for the Feds so that this person
can stay here for five years. How do I do
that and reconcile that with you can't communicate with ice
about non public immigration information for immigration purposes. They're the
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same damn thing, Like, how do I reconcile that we
have these laws that are at odds that have one
thing in common. They were passed by the Dems and
for the purposes of protecting immigrants, whether their criminals or not.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, they don't really think this through, or if they do,
then that would ascribe to it nefarious intent, George Brockler
dam the twenty third final question, George, appreciate your insight
on this issue. But Mason County that's similarly read to
Douglas County. And I'm just going to play out this
scenario if it happened to Sheriff Weekly with some of
his deputies and with you as the prosecutor DA there,
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and that is, let's say it was a shade of
gray somewhere between this Utah college student or over state
or visa a trendy ierragua gangbanger who you find in
Douglas County, but it's somebody that maybe committed some kind
of crime and ICE is coming to get them. What
do you advise Sheriff Weekly to do? What does he
advise his deputies to do when you're not supposed to
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cooperate with Ice at all?
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Great question, and it's one that is precarious for us.
One thing is the county attorneys would have to advise
the sheriff.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
But we'd be.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Talking about I'm talking about this right now with people
like Listen. We have a new prosecutor position that's going
to be embedded with the US Attorney's Office. Well, if
I share information with that guy and somehow that information
gets to ice am I somehow now going to be liable,
is still going to come for me. And by the way,
I just want to be clear about this. Whatever I
do in the further into protecting this community, it still
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wants to file a lawsuit against me. I welcome the
opportunity to have this debate in public with him, but
I don't think that's going to happen. This is a
selective enforcement with some perfect facts for him.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Optically, Yeah, it's a political calculation.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
You're exactly. Yeah, that's right, exactly. Had this figured it
out from the jump, I knew it. I knew he
would Key Brock always great stuff. Appreciate your time anytime, Buddy,
talk to you. Rockler, the twenty third District Attorney. Your
thoughts to close out the show five seven seven three nine,
we'd come back to wrap up this edition of Ryan
Schuling Live.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Good.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
There's no damn good couple people the buck.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Everything now in the books I had as years and
is due.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
That might mean no body read the ball, come down the.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Comb the ball. The walls feel like they are closing in.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Who as the walls closing around the President, Donald Trump
feels the walls closing in. I think this is a
guy who feels like the walls are closing in, the
walls are closing in on him, because the walls are
closing in. The walls are closing in on the president.
Now the walls appear to be closing in.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
The really kind of the walls closing in on him.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
The walls are closing in, because the walls are indeed
closing in.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And I think at this point the walls are spinning.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
The legal walls are closing in.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
The walls are closing in on President Trump.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
The walls, mean wall are closing in on the president
of the United States. The walls closing in on President
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
It appears that the walls are closing in on this president.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Feel the wolves are closing in on him, the walls
closing in on him.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So the walls are closing in and the walls are
closing in.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
That the walls are closing in on the president.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Are the walls closing in?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
The walls are closing in on the president? He says,
Is the walls there then to close around it? The
walls closing in on him?
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Does the president that fills the walls closing in, the
walls are closing in on Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I think the walls are finally closing in the.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Walls, the walls, the walls, walls are closing, closing in, closing, closing.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
The walls were closing in on President Donald Trump. He's
not looking forward to any other it. He's horrified.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
He's just talking big.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
The walls are closing in.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
As as has been said before. You know, it's always good.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
You can use the lib's own musical talent against them.
John Mellencamp, Yeah, he's a big one, as far left
as it gets.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It's so sad for me.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
You know, I was born in the small town pink houses,
rural Indiana, and not too different from my upbringing. Hell,
I went to school in Indiana, American anthems hither and
Yon and his politics are so bad. He was sitting
there with Bill Maher not that long ago. And of
course Bill Maher we have our differences with, but at
least he's getting to a point where he's extremely intellectually honest.
(35:15):
In fact, he comes to Sydney Sweeney's defense right here.
This is great, This is completely and totally fantastic.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
And other uncomfortable racial news, sad news. We found out
this week that Sidney Sweeney is a Nazi.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
That was just.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
No, she's not.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
But you all see the ad that she's out there.
This is a very important ad that we're seeing now.
There she is dressed like Jay Leno in all blue denim,
and she talks about the fact that she has blue eyes,
and then she says, I have great jeans, you know,
because she's wearing jeans. But according to the woke people,
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this means that she's a white supremis. It also doesn't
help that her brass eye is thirty six KKK.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
And that the name she gave her just the Pride Boys.
But other than that, that's funny stuff. Filmar there, he's
come a long way, hasn't he. But Nolan Camp sadly, no,
let's get some texts about the cars. I might have
to get into this issue a little bit more tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Ryan.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm your age, but I was a service manager in
a sixteen bay shop for four and a half years
in my twenties. I saw all American cars come in
for the same crap and under one hundred twenty thousand
miles trade them on for a new one every few years,
just because they're junk. Japanese cars all kept coming in
only for oil changes, hundreds of thousands of miles. American
cars started using Japanese motors in their cars then too,
(36:47):
I knew better from them. He goes on to say, here,
let me see here, and ever since never American cars. Well,
you have an informed opinion, and I am picking up
what you're putting down. There's a lot of yeah, uh
cross breeding. We're talking about it with Jimmy Sangenberg. He
only drives what hun days, he said. He likes Hundays,
South Korean South, he likes South Korean vehicles. But yeah,
(37:09):
the Ford motor engines, you know, the cross breeding with
Toyota and Honda with GM. A lot of these things
have kind of come full circle.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I get it. But here's Alexa. She says this Ryan.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I realized no one in my household can drive for
hop skip drive, since all of us have cars older
than ten years old. I don't have Bluetooth, I don't
I do have a CD player in my car'st remember
those days. My spouse offered to get me a newer car.
I said, nope, I like my older cars and I
happily drive them. Plus, with the Dems causing skyrocketing costs
to live in Colorado, I don't have a lot of
disposable income.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, you don't want to take on a car.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Payment if you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
No, one of the greatest things you're can have in
life is a car that's bought and paid for correct and.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
With the weather that we have to deal with, not
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
That'll do it for us.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
From here for now, Dan Campus Shows next. I'm back
with you tomorrow on Ryan Shuling Life
Well, if you thought our one was jam packed with action, boy,
have I got an upgrade for you? Hour number two.
We're going to shift into overdrive in my Forward Focus. Yeah,
I drive American. Got a lot of texts on that's
including from the original perpetrator. Does it feel good to carshame?
I mean, that's what I'm asking the texter. Do you
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feel better about yourself that you can talk down to
me because I drive a Ford Focus, Because I'm a
real American hulk Cogan style, because I am from the
Motor City and I support American automakers. That bothers you.
This is so funny how the party has shifted. Oh my,
how the turn tables. As Michael Scott said on The Office,
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Democrats once proud to support the working class, the nine
to fivers, the ham and agers, those that live paycheck
to paycheck, that work on the assembly lines, that get
their hands dirty, that work on cars every single day,
that churn them out, pride of the American automobile industry
for decades, the unions, the a fl CIO, the UAW,
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proudly Democratic leaders through and through. These were the people
that were represented, we were told by the Democratic Party.
But the Modern Democratic Party. Oh no, you're supposed to
be shamed for driving afford focus.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You should upgrade your car.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Don't you want to fit in amongst the higher crust
of society. Don't you want to go to the parties
at Martha's Vineyard? And no, we went. You're not gonna
let the help in. We want to you know, no
human is illegal, but we just don't want them here.
That should be border towns in Texas their problem. That
should be Ronda Santis' problem in Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
We don't want them here. Are they the help?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, we'll hire them and they'll change our sheets and
are throw out our garbage and garden our lawns and
pick our crops. But who will pick our crops if
not for the illegal aliens? But we don't want them here,
not permanently, not around.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I just do. We live in gated communities and mansions
and we.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Don't want them here. But you in Laredo, Texas and
on the border now, gottlie Arizona, you should have to
deal with that problem. That's your problem. That's the Modern
Democratic Party in a nutshell. And they are better than us.
If you drive anything less than what they approve of
(02:23):
and to fit in with their society type. They're high
muckety MUCKs. Then you are a ne'er do well and
you are not welcome in their supposed big ten party.
So Flyber Country, Rust Belt, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin. Yeah,
we don't want your votes. Wait a minute, electoral math
gets a little tough from there where the Democrats you're
gonna win election. We went in Dane to condescend from
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the mountaintops to speak to any of you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, come to Colorado, but we all gonna go to
like you know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Aspen and Vail and the resort town will do that
will stop, then we're gonna get out. And other than that,
it's just you know, the coastal states.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That's where we want to reside.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I don't want to be with all you people.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Okay, okay, I'm done for now.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Jimmy Sangenberger filled in for Mandy Connell, who continues to
be on the mend.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
We wish her well in her recovery from surgery.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
It was rather abrupt to so there I was Christian
Toto Here's truly at the KOA one hundredth celebration on
Thursday night and there was Mandy talking, We're having a
good time. She seemed fine, and I don't know exactly
what happened. I just know that I'm also friends with Chuck,
who's an amazing man, by the way, a veteran hero
of this country. And he posted on Facebook that she
(03:41):
had gone in for surgery, and I was really concerned
about that. But then we got word pretty quickly thereafter
that she was doing very well, very well, excellently. But
in the meantime, our good friend, our intrepid reporter Jimmy
Sangenberger for the Denver Gazette, also an op ed columnist
for them, has dug into this story that Dan Kaplis
has been covering in depth on his program about Do
(04:03):
Better Denver and the people behind that handle on X.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And I had to bring Dan along that.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It's not a website that you can go join or follow.
And Dan's a boomer. We got to be patient with
our boomers. And just as Jimmy, as a millennial is
patient with his gen xers, that's me and he makes
fun of me all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
There will never be a gen X president.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Ryan JD.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Vans is next.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You get passed up again.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Latchkey kid.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, well I got some lunchables in the fridge. Okay,
That's how I'm gonna get by. But the serious story
behind this Do Better Denver mutual follow of mine on
x and Jimmy as well. They pride themselves on the following.
This is on their Twitter x handle description citizen journalist
(04:48):
reporting crowdsource content. Let's find compassionate, tough love solutions to homelessness.
This didn't sit well with the commis at the Denver Post.
And I say that not as a pejorative but as
a literal sentiment, because they have turned into Pravda. Any
inconvenient narrative for the Johnston administration, the city of Denver,
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and the Democrats who run it is.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Going to be blocked and knocked.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Down by an outlet in the Denver Post that is
refusing to do to cover the very stories that do Better.
Denver is exposing and why when the mainstream media turns
a blind eye, that opens the void for citizen journalists
to fill in with pertinent information and details. And a
lot of this comes via core requests. And this is
(05:36):
where we pick up the story because what the Denver
Posts and one of its so called reporters was effectively
doing was doxing these people to reveal their identities, to
put them in the line of fire for some deranged
lunatic leftists to know where they live. And the explanation
we were given by some so called expert in media
(05:57):
studies what they are kind of partial public figure and
therefore that makes them journalists, and thereby that means that
they're going to be the subject of scorn and they
have to expect that there will be dangers presented to
them and directed at them. You can follow him at
Saying Center. Senng Ce and ter Jimmy Sangenberger take us
(06:21):
from there. If you would please appreciate you joining me
live in studio.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
This is one of those stories that just grinds my
gears when I read it. I read it and I
immediately knew I'm writing about this for my Tuesday column,
and I had the opportunity to do an interview with
the actual person behind do better denver who. I won't
say who that person is, although for the story they
(06:50):
did confirm who their identity is, what her name is,
and all.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Of that so that I could vet.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
But I'm not going to out a person who specifically says, look,
my coverage is done in a way that is meant
to be anonymous. And look, let's go back to the
founding of the country, and let's go back to the
Federalist papers. There was a pseudonym of Publius behind the
Federalist papers. We know now there was James Madison, John
(07:16):
Jay and Alexander Hamilton, and we knew who wrote each
of the individual papers, at least most of them.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But they publicly went under Publius.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Well, this is a modern day Publius and do Better Denver.
And I can absolutely, unequivocally confirm that the three women
who were feeding information to do Better Denver, as the
Denver Post.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Reports, are not behind the.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Account, and on the contrary, have provided very little, as
a proportion, very little information. But the Denver Post KORRA
did an Open Records Act request to get open records
requests from those three individuals that had provided material to
Do Better Denver. And that's part of how they were
(08:02):
able to out to dox people who simply said, here
are some videos, here's some information, and that apparently is
enough for the Denver Post to expose them and in.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Ways that included as you know Ryan from the.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Story included political registration because that's so important, even real
estate information and their names.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So there's no shame in this for the Denver Post
as far as I can tell, they're not going to
apologize for doxing the wrong people, which, as you outline, Jimmy,
these are simply the go betweens, the intermediaries that are
providing the information. So you know, I feel like a
little bit like V for Vendetta and we are all
(08:47):
do better Denver and we're all going to wear the
masksartius I do better Denver. Yeah, I'll tell everybody. I'm
do better Denver. Jimmy's do better Denver, Kelly's do better Denver.
And the more that we can kind of broaden that horizon,
the more difficult it's going to be for the likes
of the Denver Post to go on this. And you
called it a witch hunt, and this is from the
(09:09):
interview that you conducted. Now I will say I have
some messages with the same person who you're talking about,
and she was concerned coming on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
A show like this.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Now it's audio, and now she has she told me
a distinctive voice that would be recognized by people and
that it would be better to do a conversation like
she did with you print so now we just get
the words and not the voice behind it. But I
want to start here, and I do mean because what's
good for the goose is good for the gander.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Shelly Bradbury, What the hell?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
This is the reporter so called for the Denver Post
that's doing all this. We have reached out to her,
Kelly correct by both phone call and text yes, email, yes, okay,
requesting that she come on just explain herself, go on
the Dan Camplish'll talk about it. Back up your reporting.
Why are you doing this? Crickets silence nothing. Did you
(09:59):
have to get in contact with Shelley Bradbury?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I did not, And there are particular reasons I don't
want to get into why I did.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Not conflict Because you work for a competing paper.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That is something relative to that.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I mean, it's not every day that, for example, I'm
going to write a column that we'll call out the Post,
which is a competing paper. Right, there's just it's sort
of something you don't normally do. But this is this
is a rare circumstance where it's like, okay, this is
called for because this is so egregious. I mean, I
say in the column today entitled do Better Denver under
attack from the media, that this is not journalism. This
(10:38):
is a witch hunt, plain and simple. And that's what
it is.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And here's part of the example of why this is
the case.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Because if your objective as a journalist is to sort
of get under the hood a little bit and get
a better understanding of what this account is, what they
do talk about, that that's one thing. It's another thing
if you communicate with the per behind the account and
the person says, I want to be anonymous, and you
have a policy at the Denver Post, as they say
(11:07):
in the article, we will interview people and allow them
to share anonymous.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know, that's part of the policy.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
How many other sources are anonymous and off the record.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Gosh, absolutely, And I've interviewed sources off the record or anonymous,
and you know, they say, you can quote me, but
I want to be anonymous because I'm a teacher in
Denver public schools and I'm upset over their discipline policies
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I worry about reprisals. Yeah, Shelly Bradburn gonna ask
her I want to ask her, why is it okay
for her to have anonymous sources, but this anonymous source
needs to be outed.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yes, or if that outlets source.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
So in this case she said, okay, I would I'll
do an interview, but I want you to keep confidential
who I am. Why they have said no, why because
this is nothing has nothing to do with understanding the account.
I believe this is all about exposing the EXAs absolutely
because why else would you expose three people who give
(12:06):
a percent, no more than one percent of all the
stuff that has been posted from do Better Denver comes
from these three individuals, these sources. Why would you Denver
post out the outlets or the citizen journalism account sources
if not, because you want to intimidate, to shame, to
(12:27):
go after whatever it is. And I think it's reeks
of pandering to the Johnston administration market.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And there's a pattern of this if you go back
to Chaia Raichuck and she is behind libs of TikTok yes,
and it was Taylor Lorenz, that absolutely insane person who
made it her mission to out the identity of Chiareichuck.
And the question then goes to why, what is the
(12:52):
purpose of this doc sing by Shelley Bradbury. What is
the general public good that is being served by doing this?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Where in any kind of journalistic.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Ethics course would you cite this as doing good journalism?
And further to that point, if this were an underground
group of liberals behind a Twitter and axe handle, and
they decided they were going to expose what was going
on in Douglas County with Sheriff Darren Weakley and DA
George Brockler, who will join us after the break, would
(13:25):
they do the same thing to that liberal hand only answer,
of course, it's a rhetorical question, absolutely not, And there
is your bias. Yes.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I mean, look when I was asked, okay, I'll have
this conversation, all of that keep me anonymous because of
death threats that have come because of professional reasons. You know,
this is not this person's job. They have an entirely
different paid job and they don't get paid make any dime.
They say, she said, from this account, I'm not gonna
(13:56):
violate that you're reporting on trende at Ragua like I
at least have institutional backing from the Denver Gazette or
I'm here on KIW or over on her sister station
of KOA to better Denver has no institutional backing, so
of course the Denver Post will willingly bully her and
her private citizen sources with impunity because they can, and
(14:19):
they feel with impunity they can get away with it.
Why wouldn't you you have the opportunity to interview the person,
get a better understanding.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Of the account.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Why wouldn't you say sure, I'll guarantee you anonymity.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Right, So this is this is heavy handed. This is
heavy handed. This is worse than that. It's worse than
this is heavy handed done with intent, yes, to intimidate.
These are mafia like tactics in which Shelley Bradbury and
the Denver Post are being willing accomplices of the left
to squash inconvenient narratives that expose here's the thing, truths.
(14:57):
Where is the fault in the reporting? Which that's fair game.
You attack the actual content and say this bears some
kind of explanation. But on the other hand, over here, yes,
this is actually correct information. You can call balls and
strikes that has nothing to do with what they're doing here.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yes, and the account will issue occasionally corrections when something's wrong.
Like this is citizen journalism, right, and they'll make mistakes
or they'll share that's okay. We are in an era
where people are going to spotlight things on their social
media platforms and sometimes it will take off, like do
(15:34):
Better Denver.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
There are other accounts I seventy things. Have you ever
seen what they got?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Crazy things that happen on I seventy those are shared there,
or there's accounts like Denver Today with an underscore I'm
from Denver. They share all kinds of things, sometimes about
shootings that happen or other things. Does that mean that
whoever sends them the videos that they should expose that person?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
From the intimidation factor, there is now going to be
reticence to send do Better Denver staff because they're worried.
People are worried that being a source for Do Better
Denver is going to get there this chilling effect. And
here's a chilling effect exactly as I say my college,
if the Denver Post was doing its job on the
guy that's doing his job, you must be the other guy,
(16:18):
Mark Wahlberg. Okay, then they would.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Enlist the services of a do Better Denver Going on,
we are underrepresented in conservative voices out there. To balance
this equation and picture that should be true objective journalism,
Why don't you.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Come on board with us and call it like you
see it. The reason why do.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Better Denver exists at all in the first place is
because news outlets like nine News and like the Denver
Posts have an implicit inherent bias and a script that
they stick to and they will not deviate from, and
they cannot expose inconvenient narratives for the people for whom
they carry the water.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
There is that old expression and I want to get
the definition, but remember yellow journalism like this, This is
the modern day yellow journalism, and it's it's sensationalism, and
it is let's attack and go after somebody who is
inconvenient to the Johnston administration.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's a it's done to enforce and that's the key
word here, an agenda, and that's what Denver Post is doing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
This is sick. This is a disgrace. It should be
a national story.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I'm hoping he gets that kind of traction like Laura
Ingram covers this on Fox News, because this is absolutely egregious.
One final question, Jimmy Short on time Jimmy Stangenberger with
us in your conversation your interview with the woman behind
Do Better Denver, were there any other details that stood
out about her experience her story, because, like you said,
you and I have chosen to enter the public sphere.
That's our job, that's what we do. She did not
(17:51):
choose that, and the Denver Post is choosing that for her.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, Oh absolutely it was.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It was, as she says, I really started to see
things changing rap looking at what is happening in Denver,
and it's I'm just starting to spotlight this stuff. And
then people are starting to send me things, hundreds, if
not thousands of people sending videos and other fronts. That's
why she uses the term crowdsourced right, because it is
coming from other people, and that I think is a
(18:18):
big aspect of the new wave and it's an important
piece to the media ecosystem. You have outlets like we
are at gayaw and talk radio. You have the social
media platforms of Do Better Denver, and you have a
responsible journalistic output like the Denver Gazette.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Subscribe to the Denver Gazette, maybe not the Denver Post.
Jimmy Sangenberger with his article where refresh that in a moment.
But this is the same reason why why did Rush
Limbaugh explode in the late eighties on the national sites,
because there was an underserved market that was not being represented,
that whose voices were not being heard.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
The reason Do Better Denver.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Jimmy, is exploding the way that you just described is
because there is a void of that type of information
to balance the equation in the picture.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And that is why Do Better Denis is so important and.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
The story is very powerful when you see it right
before you and it goes viral on social media, and
that's what they're afraid of.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's entitled do Better Denver under attack from the media
that is blowing up in the Twitter verse, the x
verse and online. The op ed offered up by Jimmy
Sangenberger for the Denver Gazette. Very important work that he's doing,
very important work that Do Better Denver's doing. We're happy
to bring it to you here today. Thanks Jimmy, Thank you.
Take a break. George Brockler G brock On the other
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The Mason County Sheriff is taking aim at Attorney General
filed Wiser say the ag is sending a demoralizing message
his words to law enforcement by unfairly enforcing the state's
law against sharing information with federal immigration officials. Def seven's
Ryan Fish Live in the newsroom now, and Ryan, it
was the action that may Sheriff's deputy from Masa County
that brought to light that signal group chat with ICE
(21:18):
and other agencies.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
That's right, Channa, and there's a lot going on here.
So let's start from the beginning. Last month, the Mesa
County deputy conducted a traffic stop on a nineteen year
old college student from the University of Utah who's originally
from Brazil. Now, the Attorney General's office says she hadn't
expired visa but no criminal history, and that the deputy
then used that signal group chat to alert Ice. The
deputy let her go, but Ice arrested her shortly afterwards,
(21:43):
and she spent two weeks at the GEO facility in Aurora.
Attorney General Phil Wiser then filed a lawsuit against that deputy,
claiming he violated Colorado's law against sharing information with immigration officials.
Now that brings us to today. The Mesa County sheriff
released an administrative review where he apologize to the college
student and says his department should not have been involved
(22:03):
in what led to her attention. He also announced discipline
for five sheriff's deputies, including the one at the center
of Wiser's lawsuit, who will get three weeks of unpaid
leave and get reassigned. But the sheriff says his department
is being unfairly treated. He claims the other agencies in
this group Chat, like Colorado State Patrol, also share information
with ICE and should be held to the same legal standard,
(22:26):
or Wiser should drop the lawsuit and let the agencies
just handle it themselves. Denver seven has reached out to
the Mason Ketty the Sheriff's office for comment, and CSP
denies they violated the law, but they do say they
are no longer sharing information in that group chat. The
Attorney General's Office says it's investigating if there were other
officers in this group chat who broke the law. And
(22:46):
we'll keep following up on this developing story for now
Live in the newsroom. Rifish, Denver seven.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Denver seven, Mesa County Sheriff Todd Royal is who he
is talking about there in this story, and it's just
very interesting to me were Wiser chooses to prioritize his lawsuits,
his activity. It's the Trump administration, it's a local law
enforcement cooperating with ICE. And before I ask any questions
of our next guest, he is the one time opponent
(23:14):
of Phil Wiser in the race for Attorney General. George
Brockler the DA in the twenty third our guest on
Ryan Scherling Live, George, thanks for your time as always.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Good thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Your reaction to what you just heard off the gate.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Well, that's frustration and you can hear it in the
Mason County Sheriff's voice, and the information that they put
out is that this is just incredibly frustrating. I think
people ought to divorce themselves from their disagreement with the
law it self. The laws bonkers. It makes us less safe.
It really works towards the benefit of those people who
(23:49):
are lawbreakers, whether they're merely oversteeing their visa like this
woman student at Utah, or their downright criminal. It doesn't
matter if you divorce yourself from that. And you look
at how Phil approached this thing. It screams politics. And
that's the frustration you hear in the sheriff voice. And
this is what I mean by that. This law is
brand frigginnew, like a couple weeks when this thing happens.
(24:12):
What took place here is not offensive to anyone, but
it's facts that lend themselves to a nice narrative for
a guy who's running for governor, and so had he
not been running for governor, my guess is this is
a conversation that's had over the phone, an email, or
even a sternly worded letter that gets sent from the
AG's office to the sheriff that just says, hey, we've
(24:32):
become aware of this thing. We believe this is violetive
of this statute, and we strongly encourage you to discontinue this.
Give us a heads up. About your thoughts, that kind
of thing, This is what you do with the new
law in that kind of a situation. But instead he
went right to guns, and that to me screams, I'm
running for office. I need the headlines.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I want to focus on the insanity for a moment.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
George. I know you said we've got to put aside
the law and it's bonkers, it's but I want to
dig into that a little bit because it is pas
insane now with this Utah college student, she over stated
her visa.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Who's responsible for that? Her? She is, and we have
no personal responsibility.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I mean, no, she's not violative of criminal activity in
excessive that, but she, by virtue, by literal definition overstaying
that visa is in this country illegally. So that's one thing.
Is she a threat to society? Well no, But now
you're getting into gray areas because what if this was
a trend, Dear Ragua Doug a drug dealer, gun runner,
(25:34):
prostitute trafficker, then Phil Wiser would have to have the
same approach and the same philosophy and the same actions
against these very MESA county sheriff's deputies.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That shared information.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So what we're saying, then, is the rights of criminals
and of illegal aliens who are here breaking our laws,
they supersede the safety the well being of those who
you and Darren Weekly the share of Douglas County are
elected to serve and protect the citizens of your county.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
George, how do you square that?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I don't think you can, and I think that if
your Phil, what you hide behind is Hey, I'm just
the rule of law guy, So when the legislature passes this,
it is my obligation to try to enforce these laws.
So he'll hide from hide behind that. But your point
is a good one. Had the person that this deputy's
wick In and Rowl or whatever his last name is, Hey,
(26:29):
had this person been a trenda Aragua guy, a drug smuggler,
anybody like that, there's no chance at all, and nobody
believes it that Phil would have filed up a lawsuit
and gined up the media to follow it. It is
only because of the perfect scenario here, which is an innocent, nice,
(26:50):
young college student who merely overstate her visa, it would
be hard to find something more benign that would still
fall under IS's purview. It became the perfect narrative for
a guy who needs to get media to show Aha,
I'm tough on these Trump anti immigrant things, and I'm
gonna stand up for Colorado law. Best guess is if
(27:11):
we could get into Wiser's emails and those of his
staff and see what other information has come forward. They've
been tipped off to stuff like this before, but they
handpicked this one, not because of timing but because of
perfect facts.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
George Brockler d in the twenty third. I keep coming
back to this though. If I was, let's say, a
student abroad in Italy and I overstayed my visa there
to be there legally, and I was no longer there
legally and Georgia Maloney decided my butt had to go,
then you know, buy the ticket, take the ride.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It'd be my fault, be my responsibility.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
This young woman is responsible for renewing her visa or
not she didn't. There are consequences to your actions. I mean,
this is as simple as that. George, I'm going nuts here.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Yeah, it's a choice of laws taking place here, and
I think it's obvious there's some selective enforcement here. We
just need to get more facts to prove it up.
But you know, at the risk of violating the rule
of law for the Feds, we're enforcing this ridiculous statute
that's going to be the quote unquote rule of law
under the state statute that this thing is more insidious
(28:19):
than this. And I'll give you an example that touches
us and what we do on a regular basis. There's
something called you visas, and you visas, if you haven't
heard of them, exist to provide up to five years
of legal status for an illegal who's here for purposes
of making sure they're available as a victim oral witness
(28:39):
to help us prosecute the bad guys. Okay, that's something
that's been around for a long time. It's a valuable
tool for us to get the bad guys when the
witness or victim is someone who has who's here illegally.
So this you visa process has always been a matter
of discretion with the law enforcement executive share chief of police,
district attorney, and so on. State statute was changed a
(29:03):
couple of years ago to mandate that people like me
sign and certify that someone has been cooperative, which is
a key to getting the visa, has been cooperative even
if I have no information that they've been cooperative.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
In fact, the state.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Law says, I have to presume them cooperative for purposes
of certifying this federal document unless I have evidence that
they've been uncooperative. And you can see why they do
this here. This now encourages people to come forward and say, oh, George,
I was the victim of domestic violence a couple few
years ago, outside the reach of the Statute of Limitations,
but I'm a victim.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I've said I'd cooperate in.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Any way possible. And now the state law, a Julie
Gonzales law, comes in and says, now, George, you must
certify these facts for the Feds so that this person
can stay here for five years. How do I do
that and reconcile that with you can't communicate with ice
about non public immigration information for immigration purposes. They're the
(30:02):
same damn thing, Like, how do I reconcile that we
have these laws that are at odds that have one
thing in common. They were passed by the Dems and
for the purposes of protecting immigrants, whether their criminals or not.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, they don't really think this through, or if they do,
then that would ascribe to it nefarious intent, George Brockler
dam the twenty third final question, George, appreciate your insight
on this issue. But Mason County that's similarly read to
Douglas County. And I'm just going to play out this
scenario if it happened to Sheriff Weekly with some of
his deputies and with you as the prosecutor DA there,
(30:34):
and that is, let's say it was a shade of
gray somewhere between this Utah college student or over state
or visa a trendy ierragua gangbanger who you find in
Douglas County, but it's somebody that maybe committed some kind
of crime and ICE is coming to get them. What
do you advise Sheriff Weekly to do? What does he
advise his deputies to do when you're not supposed to
(30:55):
cooperate with Ice at all?
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Great question, and it's one that is precarious for us.
One thing is the county attorneys would have to advise
the sheriff.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
But we'd be.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Talking about I'm talking about this right now with people
like Listen. We have a new prosecutor position that's going
to be embedded with the US Attorney's Office. Well, if
I share information with that guy and somehow that information
gets to ice am I somehow now going to be liable,
is still going to come for me. And by the way,
I just want to be clear about this. Whatever I
do in the further into protecting this community, it still
(31:29):
wants to file a lawsuit against me. I welcome the
opportunity to have this debate in public with him, but
I don't think that's going to happen. This is a
selective enforcement with some perfect facts for him.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Optically, Yeah, it's a political calculation.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
You're exactly. Yeah, that's right, exactly. Had this figured it
out from the jump, I knew it. I knew he
would Key Brock always great stuff. Appreciate your time anytime, Buddy,
talk to you. Rockler, the twenty third District Attorney. Your
thoughts to close out the show five seven seven three nine,
we'd come back to wrap up this edition of Ryan
Schuling Live.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Good.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
There's no damn good couple people the buck.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Everything now in the books I had as years and
is due.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
That might mean no body read the ball, come down the.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Comb the ball. The walls feel like they are closing in.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Who as the walls closing around the President, Donald Trump
feels the walls closing in. I think this is a
guy who feels like the walls are closing in, the
walls are closing in on him, because the walls are
closing in. The walls are closing in on the president.
Now the walls appear to be closing in.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
The really kind of the walls closing in on him.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
The walls are closing in, because the walls are indeed
closing in.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And I think at this point the walls are spinning.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
The legal walls are closing in.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
The walls are closing in on President Trump.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
The walls, mean wall are closing in on the president
of the United States. The walls closing in on President
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
It appears that the walls are closing in on this president.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Feel the wolves are closing in on him, the walls
closing in on him.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So the walls are closing in and the walls are
closing in.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
That the walls are closing in on the president.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Are the walls closing in?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
The walls are closing in on the president? He says,
Is the walls there then to close around it? The
walls closing in on him?
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Does the president that fills the walls closing in, the
walls are closing in on Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I think the walls are finally closing in the.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Walls, the walls, the walls, walls are closing, closing in, closing, closing.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
The walls were closing in on President Donald Trump. He's
not looking forward to any other it. He's horrified.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
He's just talking big.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
The walls are closing in.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
As as has been said before. You know, it's always good.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
You can use the lib's own musical talent against them.
John Mellencamp, Yeah, he's a big one, as far left
as it gets.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It's so sad for me.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
You know, I was born in the small town pink houses,
rural Indiana, and not too different from my upbringing. Hell,
I went to school in Indiana, American anthems hither and
Yon and his politics are so bad. He was sitting
there with Bill Maher not that long ago. And of
course Bill Maher we have our differences with, but at
least he's getting to a point where he's extremely intellectually honest.
(35:15):
In fact, he comes to Sydney Sweeney's defense right here.
This is great, This is completely and totally fantastic.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
And other uncomfortable racial news, sad news. We found out
this week that Sidney Sweeney is a Nazi.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
That was just.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
No, she's not.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
But you all see the ad that she's out there.
This is a very important ad that we're seeing now.
There she is dressed like Jay Leno in all blue denim,
and she talks about the fact that she has blue eyes,
and then she says, I have great jeans, you know,
because she's wearing jeans. But according to the woke people,
(35:59):
this means that she's a white supremis. It also doesn't
help that her brass eye is thirty six KKK.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
And that the name she gave her just the Pride Boys.
But other than that, that's funny stuff. Filmar there, he's
come a long way, hasn't he. But Nolan Camp sadly, no,
let's get some texts about the cars. I might have
to get into this issue a little bit more tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Ryan.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm your age, but I was a service manager in
a sixteen bay shop for four and a half years
in my twenties. I saw all American cars come in
for the same crap and under one hundred twenty thousand
miles trade them on for a new one every few years,
just because they're junk. Japanese cars all kept coming in
only for oil changes, hundreds of thousands of miles. American
cars started using Japanese motors in their cars then too,
(36:47):
I knew better from them. He goes on to say, here,
let me see here, and ever since never American cars. Well,
you have an informed opinion, and I am picking up
what you're putting down. There's a lot of yeah, uh
cross breeding. We're talking about it with Jimmy Sangenberg. He
only drives what hun days, he said. He likes Hundays,
South Korean South, he likes South Korean vehicles. But yeah,
(37:09):
the Ford motor engines, you know, the cross breeding with
Toyota and Honda with GM. A lot of these things
have kind of come full circle.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I get it. But here's Alexa. She says this Ryan.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I realized no one in my household can drive for
hop skip drive, since all of us have cars older
than ten years old. I don't have Bluetooth, I don't
I do have a CD player in my car'st remember
those days. My spouse offered to get me a newer car.
I said, nope, I like my older cars and I
happily drive them. Plus, with the Dems causing skyrocketing costs
to live in Colorado, I don't have a lot of
disposable income.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, you don't want to take on a car.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Payment if you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
No, one of the greatest things you're can have in
life is a car that's bought and paid for correct and.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
With the weather that we have to deal with, not
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
That'll do it for us.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
From here for now, Dan Campus Shows next. I'm back
with you tomorrow on Ryan Shuling Life
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