October 24, 2025 • 26 mins
In the second hour of today's show, Jimmy Sengenberger joins Ryan to talk about the crazy scandal in Lakewood he uncovered.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I got a lot of votes coming in for our
Friday Fool of the Week. What a fun episode of
the Right Side of Hollywood that was, and it was
born out of some very dark stories from yesterday regarding
the NBA possible collusion behind the scenes, certainly conspiracies behind
the scenes. You got a player, and Damon Jones, you
(00:21):
got another player. Coach Damon Jones wants a player with
Lebron James tipping betters off four of the five mafia
families in New York, with the exception of the Colombo
family they must feel left out. But the Bnanos, Yeah,
then the Genoveses, Lukesey's and all of them conspiring to
(00:42):
rig a poker game that's the one that Chauncey Billups
was a part of. And then Rogier, this guy he
steps out of a game early. This is a couple
of years ago, fans an injury and therefore allows betters
to collect on the unders for all of his numbers
that game. Now, I want to go to Zach because
he's our resident sports guru here, and that just two things.
(01:05):
One your initial reaction to yesterday's news and then two
the implications of it on sports betting. In America, specifically
the NBA. How deep do you think this is going
to go?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think it's a huge problem for every league in America,
Like it's it's worse for the NBA because this is
worse for their image. But right now, so much of
the profitability around these leagues is tied to sports gambling,
and so as someone who covers the NFL, I've argued
against the idea of games being rigged because they stand
(01:38):
to lose so much more money than they stand to gain.
And from like an overall league perspective, if stuff like
the Mob tie ins are happening, or there's even the
perception that's something like that's happening, it's going to limit
how many people are betting, how much money is being bet,
and that's going to hurt these leagues financially.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The things that I believe that you're correct that team
why trying to game like the Chicago Black Socks trying
to get eight guys to throw a game on behalf
of an entire team.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
That's one thing.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
But what we've got here, Zach, are these individual prop bets,
like is Lebron going to have more or less than
three and a half assists? Tonight or something like that.
Those are a lot easier to rig because you only
got to get.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
To one guy.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And you mentioned Lebron talking about the greater implications of this.
Chauncey Billups as he was being arrested today walking out
wearing a hoodie that had the logo of Lebron James's
player Management company, Oh, which many are speculating might have
been a shot at like you better start helping me out,
or I'm snitching or who who knows what? Again, all speculative,
(02:40):
but he was wearing a clutch sports puddy, which this
seems oddly coincidental at the least.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I can't only imagine what's going through Chauncey Billups's mind
right now.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And if he was in as deep as the FBI.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Suggests and accuses and has charged him with, he can't
turn against the mafia. He's in better shape. I think
going to prison, he'd be heralded there. Just do your time, man,
you flip on the mob. Good luck and witness protection
when you're so recognizable as Trauncy is joining us now.
His article apparently leaked early, and I hope that's good
for him. Writing for the Gazette, this one entitled Judge
(03:15):
Haltz Lakewood shell Game, shell Game.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
There's a lot of gambling themes going on today.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Jimmy Sangeberger are guests in this Friday edition of Ryan
Shuling Live.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Jimmy, welcome back, Good afternoon, brother. Yeah, that NBA story
is wild and crazy.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I can tell you.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
This one does not involve any allegations of mob connections,
but it does sound a little corrupt to me.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, and here we go again, Jefferson County. I don't
know which is more corrupt or problematic, whether it be
the mafia involvement in sports betting in the NBA in particular,
or just every single story that's come down the pike
about Jeffco Public schools and Jeffco in general over those
last calendar years.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So, Jimmy, Yeah, this school district has so many problems,
and that's why it can get lost in the shuffle
when they're selling a closed school like Emery Elementary, and
they have a number of schools that are closed that
they have to figure out how to unload them. And
(04:17):
in this case, there's some shady business going on between
the district and the City of Lakewood and a nonprofit
called the Action Center that provides a lot of homeless services.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So you stayed in.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Your article that a Jefferson County judge has quote unquote
your words, hit the brakes on Lakewood this week halting
votes by its city council.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Take us from there.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
What is at stake here and what is the problem
central to what's going on?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So in this case, you have any school that's valued
it somewhere between ten to twelve million dollars according to
the assessments, and so the market value of the school,
including the surrounding area total is pretty substantial. We're talking
seventeen acre property, and what they're doing here is selling
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the building and the surrounding the surrounding parking lot, which
is ten of that seventeen acres for just four million dollars. Now,
to be clear, the school district in this case hasn't
yet agreed with the city in the sense that they
haven't signed or closed on the deal yet. In fact,
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the school board next month as a study session to
look at this deal formally. But they started a process,
and this is the corruption on Jeffco's school side. They
started a process last year early last year called the
Municipal Interest Process which is basically a loophole to cut
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out all private bidding, all private developers, and say we're
only going to negotiate with Lakewood on a deal in
this case for Emory Elementary and Lakewood in April passed
an ordinance saying we're authorizing the city manager to negotiate
with the county or with the school district for a
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maximum of four million dollars and a property valued last
year at twelve million dollars. That's a substantial cut. And
then the city intends to turn it around and sell
the building and the parking lot to the nonprofit Action
Center for only one million dollars. That sounds pretty shady to.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Me, right, yes, Jimmy Sangenberger joining us his latest with
the Gazette a portion from it right here quote. On Monday,
Judge Meagan am Maloud granted the injunction stopping the votes
called quote based on the fact stated in the motion.
The court finds that, unless immediately enjoined, the defendant's actions
will cause real, immediate and irreparable injury, loss or damage.
(07:04):
So we know about the alleged corruption here, the numbers
that are involved, and the discrepancies therein Jimmy, what is
the next step in this process legally?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
In this story? What are you looking for?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
So on Monday, the City Council for Lakewood had scheduled
three votes. Remember how I just told you that they
haven't actually reached a final deal and closed on the
property at Emory Elementary. In other words, the city doesn't
own that property yet.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
However, one of.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
The three ordinances set for Monday for a vote was
to resell the Emory building to the Action Center again
before they even own it. Another one was to spend
another four million dollars buying two existing buildings that the
Action Center, that nonprofit currently owns. By the way, that
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valuation is that closer to two million dollars, so they're
willing to spend twice as much for those two buildings.
And the third ordinance would be to lease back those
two buildings to the Action Center until they can close
on the resale of Emery Elementary. If that sounds complicated
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and convoluted, it is. But here's the thing, and this
is where the judge comes in. Back in February, a
trial on this whole thing was set with Lakewood for
this coming Tuesday, the twenty eighth, because in late twenty
twenty four, late last year, in September, the city council
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held a couple of illegal closed door executive sessions that
didn't follow the notice requirements. That is to say, if
you go behind closed doors for what's called a private
executive session, you are supposed to provide enough public information
so the public knows what it's about. Provided so little
that even one of the city councilmen at the time,
(09:04):
Richard Over, had no clue what the meeting was about,
and it had to do with this emery sale. So
a lawsuit was filed by a former city councilwoman, Anita Springsteen,
that was again set for trial this Tuesday. And lo
and behold, the city council had set those three votes
(09:25):
I mentioned to take place Monday, the day before a
trial that was set clear back in February. And that's
where this injunction comes into play, where the judge said,
hold up, you can't vote on Monday. Let's hear out
these issues on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Read all about it. Judge halts Lakewood shell game in
the Gazette. Jimmy Sangenberger our guest that voice that you hear,
he'll be a guest speaker of the Wild County GOP
fall ho Down That is tomorrow, October twenty fifth, from
five thirty to nine thirty pm. We got a special here,
Natalie Tenant, just let me know this the Weld GOP
board meeting to make sure everyone that wants to attend
(10:05):
ken So for just today, for just today. A sixty
dollars general admission ticket also includes one free kids ticket,
So you and the wife or you and the husband
want to bring your kids or two kids, they'll get
in free. If you have more kids, well you have
to pay for those. Fifty dollars for young professionals under
thirty fifty dollars for seniors and veterans. There's all kinds
of cool stuff going on, including Jimmy Sangenberger speaking, but
(10:26):
also trunk or treat for kids that'll be five thirty
to six thirty, and a lot of luminaries from the GOP,
both in Wild County and statewide. Representative Dan wug will
be there, Representative Ryan Gonzalez, Senator Barb Kirkmeyer, a candidate
for governor, Sheriff Jason mike Sel also.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
A candidate for governor.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
My good friend Sheriff Steve Riems will be there, George Washington, Markert.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Jimmy will be there.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I am going to be there, and I'll be bringing
somebody much more important than me, the boomstick Babe, Alicia
Garcia will be joining as well. So a lot of
reasons to come out, but most of all, Jimmy, to
hear you speak.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You know, one of the things that a lot of
these events have had is, oh, we're going to invite
a ton of candidates to speak, and then we're going
to have our keynote speaker and whatnot. In this case,
and I'm not tooting my hoard here. I think it's
a good thing in general for whoever the guest speaker is.
But they don't have the endless speeches of every candidate
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running for every office. And I think that's refreshing because
it's much more about the fun, the live music, the
family friendly activities, and the dynamic and the networking and
connecting with people, enjoying all of the things that are
going on, as opposed to endless speeches. So you've got
me for like twenty minutes, and that's just about it
(11:42):
for these speeches that are happening, And that's kind of
refreshing to me. I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Right, That'll be a great time. Well County GOP Fall Hodown.
That is tomorrow, Saturday, October twenty fifth, five thirty to
nine thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Live music as well food and drinks.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Those will be there in auction and all of the
proceeds going to help benefit the Weld County GOP in
their election efforts. A gathering place events center that's in Laslle, Colorado.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You can find out.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
More online through his search for the Weld County GOP
fall hold down. Jimmy Hsangenberger. Always great to have you
along and I'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Thanks brother, looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
A time out when we come back.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
He helped get John Thuhn elected in the first place
as his key campaign manager in an upset over then
majority leader in the Senate, Tom Dashel, and for John Thune,
he has now become the Senate majority leader in.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
His own right.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Dick Wadhams joins this to talk about Fun's role in
the current government shutdown and the fact that he has
not only the back of Congress, the back of the
American people, but the back of Donald Trump and all
of this as well on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Most recently, the Democrats tried to get rid of the
filibuster for what they called their Elections Reform Bill, which
basically was consolidating all of elections in Washington, DC, would
have taken power to regulate elections away from the states,
would have done away with voter ID and had it
not been for Kirsten Cinema and Joe Manchin, they would
have succeeded in doing it. At that time, they voted
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against it, But the Democrats have made it clear they
would love to get rid of the filibuster to enact
their agenda, which includes, you know, statehood for Puerto Rico
and Washington, d C. And expanded Supreme Court up to
fifteen seats, their abortion on demand, as I said, you know,
federalizing our election system. Those are just a few of
the list of horribles that they put out there, and
they all campaigned on that. But if we tried to
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do it now, all forty seven of them, I can
guarantee you woul block vote against it. So it's just
it's situational for them. It's all about political power, and
you know now that they are on the outside, they're
going to use this to their advantage. I just think
that we ought to be able to do this the
old fashioned way, and that has opened up the government
by just having five more Democrats vollote with us, and
that's all it's going to take. So it shouldn't We
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shouldn't be in this. Everything is harder than it should
be right now because of Trump arrangement syndrome. But I
still think at some point there are going to be
some rank and file Democrats who break with their leadership
and do the right thing for the country, and that
is open up the government.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Senator John thun On with Ben Shapiro Daily Wire just
the other day. Of course, he is the Senate Majority
leader now, assuming that mantle from the Turtle Cocaine Mitch
McConnell and representing South Dakota as the Republican there. He's
been in office since ousting Tom Dashel about twenty odd
years ago with the help of our next guest, and
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has become a very solid member of Trump's team in
the Senate. There were some doubts about this. I know
that there were people that were very upset that he
became the Senate Majority leader. There were the son that
were more loyal to Trump, people that were supporting Rick Scott,
the Republican out of Florida.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
It landed on Thune.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
But I got to tell you, the more I hear thun,
more I listen to him, and the more I watch
it more importantly in action, I think he's.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
The right guy at the right moment.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I know, super conservative people traditionally maybe have some doubts
about him, especially those that are maga Republicans and fierce
Trump supporters. But the fact right there that Senator Thune
used the phrase Trump arrangement syndrome, I don't think that's
anything we ever heard Mitch McConnell say. So, he acknowledges it,
knows it exists, and I think knows that he has
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the winning hand here in this government shutdown. We've seen
John Fetterman, the Democrat from Pennsylvania, stray from the rest
of the plantation and vote his own way and says
he's going to put the country over the party and
he wants to open up the government.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
He's not going to shut it down. We've seen a
handful of other.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Democrats vote before continuing Resolution and opening the government back up.
You got to get to sixty, got to get to
that filibuster proof majority. And on one hand it was
Catherine Cortez Masto Nevada was Angus King, the independent who
caucuses with the Democrats from Maine. On the other, just
the other day, it was both Democrats from Georgia, Rafael
Warnock and the one that I told you to keep
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an eye on, John ass Off. His seat is up
for grabs in twenty twenty six and is a very
vulnerable one for Democrats in Georgia. Joining us, he is
an analyst on all of this, and he was the
key cog behind the campaign as I said, that ousted
Tom Dashel back in two thousand and four. He is
Dick Wadhams. He joins us on Ryan Schuling Live. Dick,
thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Hey, Ryan, nice to be with you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I want to really get your insights on who John
Thune is, not just as a politician, but as a person.
What you encountered in him when you first met him
at what led you to believe that he was the
guy to unseat Tom Dashel.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Well, that's Ryan, that's a really interesting you would answer
that because I've given a lot of thoughts to that
over the years.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I did not know Johnson at all.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
In fact, I'd never put in the state of South Dakota,
didn't know the difference between South Dakota and North Dakota.
Franklin before the head election, and when he contacted me
to talk about the possibility he might run for the
Senate again, I was surprised. I remember Ryan, he ran
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for the Senate in two thousand and two and lost
a close election to the other Senator from South Dakota
at the time, Democrats, Senator Tim Johnson. And it was
a race so a lot of people thought he was
supposed to win. He was a very popular congressman at
the time. But the national political machine was running the
Johnson race against soon that year, and they frankly ran
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over the top of Johnson. And I remember our first
lunch we had in the summer of two thousand and three.
I asked John I said, John, I don't know why
you're asking me to to talk to you about this race,
because you've got a political team from your first race
in two thousand and two. And he said, he said,
that's precisely what I'm talking to you, Dick. He said,
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the nashl campaign team ran over the top of me
against Senator Johnson, and we some but tough enough to
deal with the Dashal campaign team. And if you remember,
I just I just come off the the aer Senator
Alert's reelection campaign, which was a brutal, brutal reelection campaign
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that we won. And I, frankly, if this guy's ready
to get up off the mat after losing a heartbreaker
in two thousand and two, I just sent something in him, Ryan,
I said, there's something about this guy that he's very
soft spoken, he's very he's South Dakota Knights. If he
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came into your studio right now, you would immediately like
him very much. And that's who he is in private
and that's who he is personally.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
But he's also I got to say, this guy's tough
as nails, Ryan.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
I mean, the the national campaign team, they were ruthless.
There's no other word word for him. They are ruthless.
And you know I was with him the entire year
of two thousand and four.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Nobody expected us to win.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
In fact, it was kind of frustrating because all the
big shots and all the smart guys in Washington, well,
soone'll run a close race, but he won't win.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
But it'll keep Dash all busy.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Well, guess what somebody forgot to tell John Dune, and
forgot to tell me for that matter, that we were.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Only supposed to keep it close.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
That was never in our thinking. Our thinking was only
we're out to win this thing, and we did. But
he was a delight to work with. I've enjoyed watching
him build to this point where he's now the the
man in the US Senate and he's doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I think, great backstory there from Dick Wadhams, who orchestrated
the campaign that defeated Tom Dashel, and he had the
whole Democratic machine behind him as the Senate majority leader
in two thousand and four. And as Dick pointed out,
John Thune lost that two thousand and two race to
Tim Johnson by five hundred thirty two votes out of
more than three hundred thirty three thousand cast, and he
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got up off the mat. Great metaphor there by Dick
as well, to narrowly defeat Tom Dash And of course
he's been strongly in office ever since.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
When you watch him over this night, and I might.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Mention one other things about after the election was over,
of course, Nashville was no longer a US senator, and
so this campaign team didn't have they didn't have jobs.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I guess they.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Almost end mass the communications director, the campaign manager is
Senate chiefs of staff, other key players the in the
national campaign team. They went to work for a newly
elected senator in two thousand and four by.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
The name of Barack Obama.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Oh, they went with Brocko, Senator Barack Obama into the
presidential campaign, and then they went with Obama into the
White House. I mentioned that because it's kind of underscores
this was.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Not the B team we were dealing in two thousand
and four. These guys were.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
They were very good and they became very team members
of the Barack Obama presidential campaign.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
That's an incredible detail there.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Dick wadhams our guest who helped John Foon win the
Senate seat in the first place. And as I said, Dick,
now here we are twenty years later. John Dunn was
a young man back then. He's not old now, but
he was very young for a senator back then, kind
of like jd Vance was and is forty three years
old forty four upon taking office in two thousand and five.
And here he is now at age sixty four as
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the Senate Majority leader.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
What do you.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
See in him, Dick, as you've watched him probably mature
and grow into this role over those twenty years now,
a leadership role. What stands out to you about John
Fuhn and how he kind of runs his ballgame.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
I think his temperament is perfect to be Senate the
majority leader, Ryan. He's very patient, he's very strategic. He
doesn't let stuff divert him. He keeps his eye on
what matters. And frankly, that might sound kind of tripe,
but I got to tell you a lot of times
candidates have trouble doing that, and John always knows.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Where he wants to go.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
I saw that with him in that campaign. I mean,
it would have been very easily, very easy for us
to be diverted by this little brush fire over here,
that little brush fire over the course of that campaign
in South Dakota. But we kept our eye on the ball,
and most importantly, John soon was a discipline that didn't
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make stupid mistakes, didn't say stupid things. I remember our
first debate, Ryan. It was in front of a big
farm show, which is a big deal in South Dakota,
and we prepared for three solid days for that debate,
and watching him prepare the discipline he had at the
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end of a long day, about seven o'clock at night,
we feel that those of us who were prepping for
the day, we all went to dinner and he went
back to his hotel room with a briefing book, continued
to study. He is very disciplined and he just devotes
what he needs to.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
To prepare such great background, and you're getting to know
the man along with Speaker Mike Johnson. Temperament comes to
mind with both of them. Perfect compliments in my mind
to Donald Trump, who's more of a brash, swashbuckler and
trying to get.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
This thing done. But it's Soon.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's Johnson who is staying disciplined, on message, guiding the
Republicans through this process. Final question here, Dick, how do
you see this shaping up? How do you see this
kind of turning out? This standoff that we have currently
about the continuing resolution the budget and what role do
you think Soon will play in it?
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Well, I heard the audio clip of Soon, and I
think he's right. I think demo.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
I think Democrats are going to end up caving. I
think there are already several Democrats who are getting nervous
about this. They don't like worth heading. And I think
that the Republicans will ultimately win this fight, and there
will be significant changes made to.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Once you get the.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Cr pant and the government reopens, and then the debate
over the healthcare issue begins, and that's when Republicans will
stract what they want to. So I'm very optimistic about it.
And by the way, Ryan, I really agree with you
about Speaker Johnson too. I think Republicans have a really
powerful duo there with Georgia Leader Soon and Speaker Johnson
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right now, two.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Powerful allies for the president as well during this budget battle.
Dick Wadhams is a powerful analyst. Always appreciate his insights,
joining us to give us a better look behind the
scenes at the Senate Majority Leader John Thune. Great stuff, Dick.
Always appreciate you and I love catching up. Thank you, Ryan,
all right, talk to you again soon. We'll take this
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great come back. Our Friday Fool of the Week still
on tap around out this Friday edition of Ryan Shuling.
Lon bottoms in Jimmy Segenberger for joining us this hour.
What a jam packed two hour ride it has been
my thanks to Zach Seekers for holding it all together,
something James Carville could not do, and I think because
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our expectations were higher for him. He was able to
edge out Robert de Niro, who we all know is going.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Off the deep end.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But Carville was showing some signs of promise, almost in
like a John Fetterman way, and then he said this
to be our fool of the week.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
You know what we do, would collaborate us? I think
corporation something. My fantasy dream is that this nightmare ends
in twenty twenty nine, and I think we ought to
have radical thing. I think they all are to have.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
The head shaven.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
They should be put in orange pajamas and it should
be marched down Pennsylvania Avenue and the public should be
invited to spit out. The universities, the corporations, the off
all of these collaboratives should be shaved, pajammined and spirout.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Well.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
The only question that remains is did more people hear
that just now on this program or on the podcast
he appeared on with I believe it was l hunt
that could be up for debate and maybe we'll have
an answer by Monday. Thanks to all of you for
tuning in today, looking forward to joining you again on Monday.
Zach says he's got the Godfather to watch all of
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those movies that we went over today, the confluence of
the Mafia, gambling sports. Enjoy doing all that with Deborah
Flora and Christian Toto. If you haven't seen Uncut JEMs,
put that on the list as well, and you're on
my list, I'll talk to you on Monday.
I got a lot of votes coming in for our
Friday Fool of the Week. What a fun episode of
the Right Side of Hollywood that was, and it was
born out of some very dark stories from yesterday regarding
the NBA possible collusion behind the scenes, certainly conspiracies behind
the scenes. You got a player, and Damon Jones, you
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got another player. Coach Damon Jones wants a player with
Lebron James tipping betters off four of the five mafia
families in New York, with the exception of the Colombo
family they must feel left out. But the Bnanos, Yeah,
then the Genoveses, Lukesey's and all of them conspiring to
(00:42):
rig a poker game that's the one that Chauncey Billups
was a part of. And then Rogier, this guy he
steps out of a game early. This is a couple
of years ago, fans an injury and therefore allows betters
to collect on the unders for all of his numbers
that game. Now, I want to go to Zach because
he's our resident sports guru here, and that just two things.
(01:05):
One your initial reaction to yesterday's news and then two
the implications of it on sports betting. In America, specifically
the NBA. How deep do you think this is going
to go?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think it's a huge problem for every league in America,
Like it's it's worse for the NBA because this is
worse for their image. But right now, so much of
the profitability around these leagues is tied to sports gambling,
and so as someone who covers the NFL, I've argued
against the idea of games being rigged because they stand
(01:38):
to lose so much more money than they stand to gain.
And from like an overall league perspective, if stuff like
the Mob tie ins are happening, or there's even the
perception that's something like that's happening, it's going to limit
how many people are betting, how much money is being bet,
and that's going to hurt these leagues financially.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The things that I believe that you're correct that team
why trying to game like the Chicago Black Socks trying
to get eight guys to throw a game on behalf
of an entire team.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
That's one thing.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
But what we've got here, Zach, are these individual prop bets,
like is Lebron going to have more or less than
three and a half assists? Tonight or something like that.
Those are a lot easier to rig because you only
got to get.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
To one guy.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And you mentioned Lebron talking about the greater implications of this.
Chauncey Billups as he was being arrested today walking out
wearing a hoodie that had the logo of Lebron James's
player Management company, Oh, which many are speculating might have
been a shot at like you better start helping me out,
or I'm snitching or who who knows what? Again, all speculative,
(02:40):
but he was wearing a clutch sports puddy, which this
seems oddly coincidental at the least.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I can't only imagine what's going through Chauncey Billups's mind
right now.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And if he was in as deep as the FBI.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Suggests and accuses and has charged him with, he can't
turn against the mafia. He's in better shape. I think
going to prison, he'd be heralded there. Just do your time, man,
you flip on the mob. Good luck and witness protection
when you're so recognizable as Trauncy is joining us now.
His article apparently leaked early, and I hope that's good
for him. Writing for the Gazette, this one entitled Judge
(03:15):
Haltz Lakewood shell Game, shell Game.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
There's a lot of gambling themes going on today.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Jimmy Sangeberger are guests in this Friday edition of Ryan
Shuling Live.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Jimmy, welcome back, Good afternoon, brother. Yeah, that NBA story
is wild and crazy.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I can tell you.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
This one does not involve any allegations of mob connections,
but it does sound a little corrupt to me.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, and here we go again, Jefferson County. I don't
know which is more corrupt or problematic, whether it be
the mafia involvement in sports betting in the NBA in particular,
or just every single story that's come down the pike
about Jeffco Public schools and Jeffco in general over those
last calendar years.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So, Jimmy, Yeah, this school district has so many problems,
and that's why it can get lost in the shuffle
when they're selling a closed school like Emery Elementary, and
they have a number of schools that are closed that
they have to figure out how to unload them. And
(04:17):
in this case, there's some shady business going on between
the district and the City of Lakewood and a nonprofit
called the Action Center that provides a lot of homeless services.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So you stayed in.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Your article that a Jefferson County judge has quote unquote
your words, hit the brakes on Lakewood this week halting
votes by its city council.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Take us from there.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
What is at stake here and what is the problem
central to what's going on?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So in this case, you have any school that's valued
it somewhere between ten to twelve million dollars according to
the assessments, and so the market value of the school,
including the surrounding area total is pretty substantial. We're talking
seventeen acre property, and what they're doing here is selling
(05:12):
the building and the surrounding the surrounding parking lot, which
is ten of that seventeen acres for just four million dollars. Now,
to be clear, the school district in this case hasn't
yet agreed with the city in the sense that they
haven't signed or closed on the deal yet. In fact,
(05:33):
the school board next month as a study session to
look at this deal formally. But they started a process,
and this is the corruption on Jeffco's school side. They
started a process last year early last year called the
Municipal Interest Process which is basically a loophole to cut
(05:54):
out all private bidding, all private developers, and say we're
only going to negotiate with Lakewood on a deal in
this case for Emory Elementary and Lakewood in April passed
an ordinance saying we're authorizing the city manager to negotiate
with the county or with the school district for a
(06:16):
maximum of four million dollars and a property valued last
year at twelve million dollars. That's a substantial cut. And
then the city intends to turn it around and sell
the building and the parking lot to the nonprofit Action
Center for only one million dollars. That sounds pretty shady to.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Me, right, yes, Jimmy Sangenberger joining us his latest with
the Gazette a portion from it right here quote. On Monday,
Judge Meagan am Maloud granted the injunction stopping the votes
called quote based on the fact stated in the motion.
The court finds that, unless immediately enjoined, the defendant's actions
will cause real, immediate and irreparable injury, loss or damage.
(07:04):
So we know about the alleged corruption here, the numbers
that are involved, and the discrepancies therein Jimmy, what is
the next step in this process legally?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
In this story? What are you looking for?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
So on Monday, the City Council for Lakewood had scheduled
three votes. Remember how I just told you that they
haven't actually reached a final deal and closed on the
property at Emory Elementary. In other words, the city doesn't
own that property yet.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
However, one of.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
The three ordinances set for Monday for a vote was
to resell the Emory building to the Action Center again
before they even own it. Another one was to spend
another four million dollars buying two existing buildings that the
Action Center, that nonprofit currently owns. By the way, that
(07:57):
valuation is that closer to two million dollars, so they're
willing to spend twice as much for those two buildings.
And the third ordinance would be to lease back those
two buildings to the Action Center until they can close
on the resale of Emery Elementary. If that sounds complicated
(08:20):
and convoluted, it is. But here's the thing, and this
is where the judge comes in. Back in February, a
trial on this whole thing was set with Lakewood for
this coming Tuesday, the twenty eighth, because in late twenty
twenty four, late last year, in September, the city council
(08:41):
held a couple of illegal closed door executive sessions that
didn't follow the notice requirements. That is to say, if
you go behind closed doors for what's called a private
executive session, you are supposed to provide enough public information
so the public knows what it's about. Provided so little
that even one of the city councilmen at the time,
(09:04):
Richard Over, had no clue what the meeting was about,
and it had to do with this emery sale. So
a lawsuit was filed by a former city councilwoman, Anita Springsteen,
that was again set for trial this Tuesday. And lo
and behold, the city council had set those three votes
(09:25):
I mentioned to take place Monday, the day before a
trial that was set clear back in February. And that's
where this injunction comes into play, where the judge said,
hold up, you can't vote on Monday. Let's hear out
these issues on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Read all about it. Judge halts Lakewood shell game in
the Gazette. Jimmy Sangenberger our guest that voice that you hear,
he'll be a guest speaker of the Wild County GOP
fall ho Down That is tomorrow, October twenty fifth, from
five thirty to nine thirty pm. We got a special here,
Natalie Tenant, just let me know this the Weld GOP
board meeting to make sure everyone that wants to attend
(10:05):
ken So for just today, for just today. A sixty
dollars general admission ticket also includes one free kids ticket,
So you and the wife or you and the husband
want to bring your kids or two kids, they'll get
in free. If you have more kids, well you have
to pay for those. Fifty dollars for young professionals under
thirty fifty dollars for seniors and veterans. There's all kinds
of cool stuff going on, including Jimmy Sangenberger speaking, but
(10:26):
also trunk or treat for kids that'll be five thirty
to six thirty, and a lot of luminaries from the GOP,
both in Wild County and statewide. Representative Dan wug will
be there, Representative Ryan Gonzalez, Senator Barb Kirkmeyer, a candidate
for governor, Sheriff Jason mike Sel also.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
A candidate for governor.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
My good friend Sheriff Steve Riems will be there, George Washington, Markert.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Jimmy will be there.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I am going to be there, and I'll be bringing
somebody much more important than me, the boomstick Babe, Alicia
Garcia will be joining as well. So a lot of
reasons to come out, but most of all, Jimmy, to
hear you speak.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You know, one of the things that a lot of
these events have had is, oh, we're going to invite
a ton of candidates to speak, and then we're going
to have our keynote speaker and whatnot. In this case,
and I'm not tooting my hoard here. I think it's
a good thing in general for whoever the guest speaker is.
But they don't have the endless speeches of every candidate
(11:21):
running for every office. And I think that's refreshing because
it's much more about the fun, the live music, the
family friendly activities, and the dynamic and the networking and
connecting with people, enjoying all of the things that are
going on, as opposed to endless speeches. So you've got
me for like twenty minutes, and that's just about it
(11:42):
for these speeches that are happening, And that's kind of
refreshing to me. I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Right, That'll be a great time. Well County GOP Fall Hodown.
That is tomorrow, Saturday, October twenty fifth, five thirty to
nine thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Live music as well food and drinks.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Those will be there in auction and all of the
proceeds going to help benefit the Weld County GOP in
their election efforts. A gathering place events center that's in Laslle, Colorado.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You can find out.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
More online through his search for the Weld County GOP
fall hold down. Jimmy Hsangenberger. Always great to have you
along and I'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Thanks brother, looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
A time out when we come back.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
He helped get John Thuhn elected in the first place
as his key campaign manager in an upset over then
majority leader in the Senate, Tom Dashel, and for John Thune,
he has now become the Senate majority leader in.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
His own right.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Dick Wadhams joins this to talk about Fun's role in
the current government shutdown and the fact that he has
not only the back of Congress, the back of the
American people, but the back of Donald Trump and all
of this as well on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Most recently, the Democrats tried to get rid of the
filibuster for what they called their Elections Reform Bill, which
basically was consolidating all of elections in Washington, DC, would
have taken power to regulate elections away from the states,
would have done away with voter ID and had it
not been for Kirsten Cinema and Joe Manchin, they would
have succeeded in doing it. At that time, they voted
(13:11):
against it, But the Democrats have made it clear they
would love to get rid of the filibuster to enact
their agenda, which includes, you know, statehood for Puerto Rico
and Washington, d C. And expanded Supreme Court up to
fifteen seats, their abortion on demand, as I said, you know,
federalizing our election system. Those are just a few of
the list of horribles that they put out there, and
they all campaigned on that. But if we tried to
(13:34):
do it now, all forty seven of them, I can
guarantee you woul block vote against it. So it's just
it's situational for them. It's all about political power, and
you know now that they are on the outside, they're
going to use this to their advantage. I just think
that we ought to be able to do this the
old fashioned way, and that has opened up the government
by just having five more Democrats vollote with us, and
that's all it's going to take. So it shouldn't We
(13:56):
shouldn't be in this. Everything is harder than it should
be right now because of Trump arrangement syndrome. But I
still think at some point there are going to be
some rank and file Democrats who break with their leadership
and do the right thing for the country, and that
is open up the government.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Senator John thun On with Ben Shapiro Daily Wire just
the other day. Of course, he is the Senate Majority
leader now, assuming that mantle from the Turtle Cocaine Mitch
McConnell and representing South Dakota as the Republican there. He's
been in office since ousting Tom Dashel about twenty odd
years ago with the help of our next guest, and
(14:30):
has become a very solid member of Trump's team in
the Senate. There were some doubts about this. I know
that there were people that were very upset that he
became the Senate Majority leader. There were the son that
were more loyal to Trump, people that were supporting Rick Scott,
the Republican out of Florida.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
It landed on Thune.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
But I got to tell you, the more I hear thun,
more I listen to him, and the more I watch
it more importantly in action, I think he's.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
The right guy at the right moment.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I know, super conservative people traditionally maybe have some doubts
about him, especially those that are maga Republicans and fierce
Trump supporters. But the fact right there that Senator Thune
used the phrase Trump arrangement syndrome, I don't think that's
anything we ever heard Mitch McConnell say. So, he acknowledges it,
knows it exists, and I think knows that he has
(15:18):
the winning hand here in this government shutdown. We've seen
John Fetterman, the Democrat from Pennsylvania, stray from the rest
of the plantation and vote his own way and says
he's going to put the country over the party and
he wants to open up the government.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
He's not going to shut it down. We've seen a
handful of other.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Democrats vote before continuing Resolution and opening the government back up.
You got to get to sixty, got to get to
that filibuster proof majority. And on one hand it was
Catherine Cortez Masto Nevada was Angus King, the independent who
caucuses with the Democrats from Maine. On the other, just
the other day, it was both Democrats from Georgia, Rafael
Warnock and the one that I told you to keep
(15:54):
an eye on, John ass Off. His seat is up
for grabs in twenty twenty six and is a very
vulnerable one for Democrats in Georgia. Joining us, he is
an analyst on all of this, and he was the
key cog behind the campaign as I said, that ousted
Tom Dashel back in two thousand and four. He is
Dick Wadhams. He joins us on Ryan Schuling Live. Dick,
thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Hey, Ryan, nice to be with you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I want to really get your insights on who John
Thune is, not just as a politician, but as a person.
What you encountered in him when you first met him
at what led you to believe that he was the
guy to unseat Tom Dashel.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Well, that's Ryan, that's a really interesting you would answer
that because I've given a lot of thoughts to that
over the years.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I did not know Johnson at all.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
In fact, I'd never put in the state of South Dakota,
didn't know the difference between South Dakota and North Dakota.
Franklin before the head election, and when he contacted me
to talk about the possibility he might run for the
Senate again, I was surprised. I remember Ryan, he ran
(17:06):
for the Senate in two thousand and two and lost
a close election to the other Senator from South Dakota
at the time, Democrats, Senator Tim Johnson. And it was
a race so a lot of people thought he was
supposed to win. He was a very popular congressman at
the time. But the national political machine was running the
Johnson race against soon that year, and they frankly ran
(17:29):
over the top of Johnson. And I remember our first
lunch we had in the summer of two thousand and three.
I asked John I said, John, I don't know why
you're asking me to to talk to you about this race,
because you've got a political team from your first race
in two thousand and two. And he said, he said,
that's precisely what I'm talking to you, Dick. He said,
(17:52):
the nashl campaign team ran over the top of me
against Senator Johnson, and we some but tough enough to
deal with the Dashal campaign team. And if you remember,
I just I just come off the the aer Senator
Alert's reelection campaign, which was a brutal, brutal reelection campaign
(18:15):
that we won. And I, frankly, if this guy's ready
to get up off the mat after losing a heartbreaker
in two thousand and two, I just sent something in him, Ryan,
I said, there's something about this guy that he's very
soft spoken, he's very he's South Dakota Knights. If he
(18:36):
came into your studio right now, you would immediately like
him very much. And that's who he is in private
and that's who he is personally.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
But he's also I got to say, this guy's tough
as nails, Ryan.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
I mean, the the national campaign team, they were ruthless.
There's no other word word for him. They are ruthless.
And you know I was with him the entire year
of two thousand and four.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Nobody expected us to win.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
In fact, it was kind of frustrating because all the
big shots and all the smart guys in Washington, well,
soone'll run a close race, but he won't win.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
But it'll keep Dash all busy.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Well, guess what somebody forgot to tell John Dune, and
forgot to tell me for that matter, that we were.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Only supposed to keep it close.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
That was never in our thinking. Our thinking was only
we're out to win this thing, and we did. But
he was a delight to work with. I've enjoyed watching
him build to this point where he's now the the
man in the US Senate and he's doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I think, great backstory there from Dick Wadhams, who orchestrated
the campaign that defeated Tom Dashel, and he had the
whole Democratic machine behind him as the Senate majority leader
in two thousand and four. And as Dick pointed out,
John Thune lost that two thousand and two race to
Tim Johnson by five hundred thirty two votes out of
more than three hundred thirty three thousand cast, and he
(20:02):
got up off the mat. Great metaphor there by Dick
as well, to narrowly defeat Tom Dash And of course
he's been strongly in office ever since.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
When you watch him over this night, and I might.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Mention one other things about after the election was over,
of course, Nashville was no longer a US senator, and
so this campaign team didn't have they didn't have jobs.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I guess they.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Almost end mass the communications director, the campaign manager is
Senate chiefs of staff, other key players the in the
national campaign team. They went to work for a newly
elected senator in two thousand and four by.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
The name of Barack Obama.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Oh, they went with Brocko, Senator Barack Obama into the
presidential campaign, and then they went with Obama into the
White House. I mentioned that because it's kind of underscores
this was.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Not the B team we were dealing in two thousand
and four. These guys were.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
They were very good and they became very team members
of the Barack Obama presidential campaign.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
That's an incredible detail there.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Dick wadhams our guest who helped John Foon win the
Senate seat in the first place. And as I said, Dick,
now here we are twenty years later. John Dunn was
a young man back then. He's not old now, but
he was very young for a senator back then, kind
of like jd Vance was and is forty three years
old forty four upon taking office in two thousand and five.
And here he is now at age sixty four as
(21:25):
the Senate Majority leader.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
What do you.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
See in him, Dick, as you've watched him probably mature
and grow into this role over those twenty years now,
a leadership role. What stands out to you about John
Fuhn and how he kind of runs his ballgame.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
I think his temperament is perfect to be Senate the
majority leader, Ryan. He's very patient, he's very strategic. He
doesn't let stuff divert him. He keeps his eye on
what matters. And frankly, that might sound kind of tripe,
but I got to tell you a lot of times
candidates have trouble doing that, and John always knows.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Where he wants to go.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
I saw that with him in that campaign. I mean,
it would have been very easily, very easy for us
to be diverted by this little brush fire over here,
that little brush fire over the course of that campaign
in South Dakota. But we kept our eye on the ball,
and most importantly, John soon was a discipline that didn't
(22:30):
make stupid mistakes, didn't say stupid things. I remember our
first debate, Ryan. It was in front of a big
farm show, which is a big deal in South Dakota,
and we prepared for three solid days for that debate,
and watching him prepare the discipline he had at the
(22:50):
end of a long day, about seven o'clock at night,
we feel that those of us who were prepping for
the day, we all went to dinner and he went
back to his hotel room with a briefing book, continued
to study. He is very disciplined and he just devotes
what he needs to.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
To prepare such great background, and you're getting to know
the man along with Speaker Mike Johnson. Temperament comes to
mind with both of them. Perfect compliments in my mind
to Donald Trump, who's more of a brash, swashbuckler and
trying to get.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
This thing done. But it's Soon.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's Johnson who is staying disciplined, on message, guiding the
Republicans through this process. Final question here, Dick, how do
you see this shaping up? How do you see this
kind of turning out? This standoff that we have currently
about the continuing resolution the budget and what role do
you think Soon will play in it?
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Well, I heard the audio clip of Soon, and I
think he's right. I think demo.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
I think Democrats are going to end up caving. I
think there are already several Democrats who are getting nervous
about this. They don't like worth heading. And I think
that the Republicans will ultimately win this fight, and there
will be significant changes made to.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Once you get the.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Cr pant and the government reopens, and then the debate
over the healthcare issue begins, and that's when Republicans will
stract what they want to. So I'm very optimistic about it.
And by the way, Ryan, I really agree with you
about Speaker Johnson too. I think Republicans have a really
powerful duo there with Georgia Leader Soon and Speaker Johnson
(24:34):
right now, two.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Powerful allies for the president as well during this budget battle.
Dick Wadhams is a powerful analyst. Always appreciate his insights,
joining us to give us a better look behind the
scenes at the Senate Majority Leader John Thune. Great stuff, Dick.
Always appreciate you and I love catching up. Thank you, Ryan,
all right, talk to you again soon. We'll take this
(24:55):
great come back. Our Friday Fool of the Week still
on tap around out this Friday edition of Ryan Shuling.
Lon bottoms in Jimmy Segenberger for joining us this hour.
What a jam packed two hour ride it has been
my thanks to Zach Seekers for holding it all together,
something James Carville could not do, and I think because
(25:17):
our expectations were higher for him. He was able to
edge out Robert de Niro, who we all know is going.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Off the deep end.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But Carville was showing some signs of promise, almost in
like a John Fetterman way, and then he said this
to be our fool of the week.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
You know what we do, would collaborate us? I think
corporation something. My fantasy dream is that this nightmare ends
in twenty twenty nine, and I think we ought to
have radical thing. I think they all are to have.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
The head shaven.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
They should be put in orange pajamas and it should
be marched down Pennsylvania Avenue and the public should be
invited to spit out. The universities, the corporations, the off
all of these collaboratives should be shaved, pajammined and spirout.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Well.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
The only question that remains is did more people hear
that just now on this program or on the podcast
he appeared on with I believe it was l hunt
that could be up for debate and maybe we'll have
an answer by Monday. Thanks to all of you for
tuning in today, looking forward to joining you again on Monday.
Zach says he's got the Godfather to watch all of
(26:27):
those movies that we went over today, the confluence of
the Mafia, gambling sports. Enjoy doing all that with Deborah
Flora and Christian Toto. If you haven't seen Uncut JEMs,
put that on the list as well, and you're on
my list, I'll talk to you on Monday.
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