May 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Erin Lee, parental rights advocate and mother of a teenaged daughter who once experienced gender dysphoria, joins Ryan to offer an update on HB25-1312 currently before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Apparently, Senate Democrats are attempting to scrub the most controversial aspects from the bill, but Erin and many others still view the entire piece of legislation as a poison pill which needs to be defeated.
John Fabricatorre also joins Ryan Schuiling to discuss Kilmar Abrego Garcia's alleged MS13 tattoos.
John Fabricatorre also joins Ryan Schuiling to discuss Kilmar Abrego Garcia's alleged MS13 tattoos.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And you'll pick out one man.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
But even the man that you picked out, he's got
He said he wasn't a member of a gang.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
And then they looked and on his knuckles he had
MS three. There's a minute, a minute, he had MS thirteen.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
We had some tattoos that are interpreted that way. But
let's move on.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Wait a minute, Terry, Terry, Terry, he did not under
that or m S one. It says m S one three.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That was photoshop.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
So let me do this photoshop, Terry.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You ahead of that.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime.
You know you're doing the interview. I picked you because
factly I never heard of you. But that's okay.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
By this.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I picked to you, Terry. He beg, you're not being
very nice. He had MS thirteen. Tattoos.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
We'll agree to disagree.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I want to rive on to something, Terry.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Nope, Terry, that's not your call in that instance, moving
on to something else. And President Trump was not letting
go of that topic of that issue, of that specific example.
Kill mar Abrigo Garcia. The tattoo on his knuckles. There
are four of them, the index, the middle, the ring,
and the baby finger. And the image that was in question.
(01:05):
I sent to our next guest to break down. And
the truth is somewhere in between what Terry Moran is
contending and what President Trump is contending. And here's the
second part of that exchange. It didn't stop there.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Can over show you the picture.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I saw the picture. Well the photoshop.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Here we go, here we go, photoshop, But go look
at his hand, Amistad.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
If you did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way,
I'm not an expert on them. I want to turn
to Ukraine. I want to get to.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
He at MS as clear as you can be, not interpreted.
This is why people no longer believe well the news
because in El Salvador they aren't there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But let's just go they aren't there when he's in
there now, right, No, Terry Ukraine, sir, he's got MS
thirteen on his knuckles. All right, okay, it's a service.
Will take a look what he's just saying. Yes he does.
And you know, going to something else.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It's contested, it certainly is. And what Terry Moran was
kind of posturing with there was that the tattoo. He
made it sound like they weren't there at all. I
think what Terry meant, and I'm being charitable to him,
is that the superimposed the kind of interpretation that he's
talking about, the the type set letters that said m
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S one three on the knuckle. I mean, if you're
a member of a gang like that, and it's an
international gang, and you are a criminal, illegal alien, you're
not going to put out a bright, shining, flashing sile like, hey,
literally look at my knuckles, m S one three. You're
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gonna have some kind of code. But what Terry Moran
made it sound like was somehow the tattoos themselves, the
symbols that we saw were completely eradicated, not present when
he was in prison. Ail Salvador I don't either. We
got to get to the bottom of this. Let's go
to John Fabricatory. He has worked as an ICE office
field director and he is currently in line to be
appointed by the Trump administration. Getting some of those details
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whatever he can tell us. Here and Ryan Schuling live
right now. John, welcome back.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Hey, thanks Ryan, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
First of all, can you give us an update on
your status.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I've got a tentative offer to work for the Trump administration.
That's pretty much all I can say right now, just
waiting for a final background to go through, and then
once that has occurred, I can be a little bit
more forthcoming with where I'm going to what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Not only that, will you promise to come on this program?
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Absolutely, I will come on Ryan, you know for sure,
I'll leave hop on your program.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I'll tell you what. John was the one guy when
I went to DC for the inauguration and we were
going to meet up for drinks or whatever, he showed up.
He was there and I appreciate that. Now, the issue
of this tattoo, John, I'm looking at the photo right now.
It's right in front of me. That's when I sent
you right And on the index knuckle has a marijuana leaf.
On the middle finger knuckle it has a smiley face
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with two xes for eyes. On the ring finger it
has a cross. And on the pinky finger it has
a skull. What does that mean? It's it's MS thirteen.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Look, you know these guys are not putting Ms thirteen
on their body anymore.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I you know, there there were a.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Lot that did early on.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
They've they've switched to kind of coating inside of those tattoos.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You know, we don't.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
We don't see the one three.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
As often as we used to.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
They're they're hiding it in a lot of tattoos, either
using Roman numerals hidden inside of a tattoo or using
something as simple as lips. They'll they'll tattoo a pair
of lips on them, and the lips will look a
little bit kind of weird, but when you look at
the lips, you actually see the one three and the
smile of the lips. You know, they use a lot
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of different things to mean something else. And knowing gang tattoos,
I've worked gangs for many, many years in my career,
I try to keep up on them. I actually sent
you a PDF from Canada, yep, that I showed a
lot of this.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
You know, how these tattoos are looked at. And I
sent you the one from.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Canada for a reason because I wanted to show that,
you know, even in other countries, this coding is going on.
This was definitely MS thirteen tattoo, you know. When it
was sent out. I don't like that they put the
MS thirteen above it in that kind of photoshopped.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
You know image that you see the president holding, and
they did that to kind.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Of show people what each symbol meant. I wish they
would have done out on like a separate photo because
you know, there's so much pushback from the left that
you know it's sake because of you know how they
did that.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
John Fabricatory, our guests. It wasn't just President Trump with
Terry Moran of ABC News. John the weekend before Tom Holman,
who you and I both have a very high opinion of,
was on ABC News Sunday, George Stephanopolis skipping out another
hosting duties. Jonathan carl was in that Sunday and they
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were having kind of a dosey dough about this issue
of the tattoo for kil Mar Abrigo Garcia. Here was
a portion of that exchange.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Somebody's got a bad tattoo somebody, I mean your acknowledge
tattoos are part of the calculation here.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I mean you might have.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
One factor on the manufacturers I worked have you Have
you been an alien gang?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Cus watt I have.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Tattoos are one of many factors that's going to determine
from the thing.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's not the only one.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
You can't say, okay, tattoo gang, No, there's other indias.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
To that.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Tattoo.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Tattoos one factor that adds to other factors that makes
that determination. What I'm saying is you can't ignore a tattoo.
That's one more factor that leads you to believe maybe
the gang member. It's just not based on tattoos. It's
based on a lot of other things, but tattoos. Want
of many But no one's removed just because of a tattoo.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
No one's removed just because of a tattoo. But John,
let's play this out in a real life scenario which
you may be facing in your new post. You're handed
this dossiate, all of these materials, all of this information
about kill maar Abrago Garcia. It includes the tattoos in
all of his past dealings with the law, his claims
for asylum, his excommunication from El Salvador, the totality of
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the evidence. What does it tell you about kill maar
Abrago Garcia himself.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Look, it definitely shows that that he was a gang member.
And like Tom said, and Tom has forgotten more about
law enforcement than that reporter we'll ever know. We look
at a multitude of things when we're making that determination
where the person was arrested because certain areas are certain
are controlled by certain gangs. What they got arrested for,
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Like like, if you're drug dealing in a certain neighborhood,
the likelihood of you belonging to a gang that controls
that neighborhood is pretty high. The kind of clothing you
may be wearing when you're arrested, you know, what's in
your pockets when when when we arrest you, you know,
we look through that evidence to try to find connections
to other gang members who.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
You are arrested with.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
And it was shown that he was arrested with other
gang members and he had over twelve hundred dollars in
cash in his pocket when he was arrested.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
He wasn't he was stopped and he was smuggling.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
There was a human smuggling situation going on with him.
This this guy has done so much. I mean, there's
there are there are you know, affidavits out from from
his his wife saying that he had beat her, from
his his wife's ex husband claiming that that Abrago as
a gang member. There's more than enough information. The Left
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just doesn't want to see it. They want to ignore
it because you know, they they.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Need a hell to die on.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And this is what they've chosen.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
The human trafficking allegation that John touched on there, the
pulling over that vehicle took place in Tennessee. There were
several illegal aliens in said vehicle. Along with the fact
that I believe I have forgotten this detail right, the Kilmar
Abrigo Garcia had an expired license or an invalid license,
something along those lines. So there are plenty of red
flags here. John. Not to mention again, correct me if
(09:34):
I'm wrong, but a standing deportation order on him, yes.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Yeah, so he was sound removable by a judge. He
went through the Bureau of Immigration Appeals. They appealed that,
and then they wound up getting withholding of deportation. And
the withholding order should have said El Salvador, but unfortunately
there was a mistake on the paperwork that said Guadam.
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They wound up deporting him to El Salvador. Now that
is his original country. And you know, because withholding originally
should have been El Salvador, he probably shouldn't have been
deported there. But on top of this, listen, if you
have withholding an immigration and the country, conditions change, because
what he said to get withholding was that the Eighteenth
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Street Gang was trying to kill him. And at the time,
Eighteenth Street Gang was very prolific in El Salvador as
one of many gangs besides them as thirteen that were
in El Salvador. But country conditions have changed in El
Salvador because of their new president, and within the last
three years they went from one of the highest murder
rates in South America, it's one of the lowest murder
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rates in South America.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
With that being said, also he.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Is now designated as a foreign as a.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Terrorist.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
He's a farm born terrorist, so.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
That invalidates the withholding as well. Now they should have
had a hearing to do all this, but he still
would have been deported to El Salvador at the end
of the day. And I think if they do wind
up bringing him back, they're going to bring him back,
They're going to hold him in a court, they're going
to remove the withholding, and he's getting deported again. This
is a foreign born national from the country of El
Salvador who entered our country illegally, was found to be
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here unlawfully, was ordered deported and granted withholding.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
He is a gang member.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
He's probably not a very good guy, like.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Like President Trump wants to say, not a good guy,
but he's going to get deported regardless.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
He's a bad umbra. Okay, John Ombra, John Fabricatory joining
us with that very clear breakdown of who kilmar Abrego
Garcia was and is what I'm trying to kind of
square in my own mind, John, what you have just described,
for the most part, was far more due process for
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a foreign born national, not an American citizen. Then we saw,
let's say, for those that stormed the Capitol on January sixth,
who were America consitizens. So that's just one point, But
the other one would be this Michael Bennett came out
and in his statement we'll get to another part portion
of this as well. All the Democrats are parating the
same talking point about due process what you just described.
(12:14):
Other than the clerical error that we talked about. Maybe
he should have gone to Vatamala instead of l Salvador,
but he shouldn't have been here. He got due process.
There's no lacking of due process when it comes to
this individual kil maar A Bragel Garcia. Yes or no.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Absolutely, he got due process.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
And the Democrats that are claiming that.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
A lot of these illegal aliens haven't gotten due process.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think we've removed right now.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Since the Trump administration started, over one hundred and thirty
thousand illegal aliens have been deported. Ninety nine point nine
percent of those got Title eight due process. That means
they went before an immigration judge or went through the
Title eight process for being removed. A very very small
amount I believe it's less than nine hundred individuals were
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removed on the Alien Enemies Act, which is still due
process because it's a congressional loss. Donald Trump did not
make up the Alien Enemies Act. The Alien Enemies Act
has been on the books for one hundreds of years,
approved by Congress, has been used before in this in
this last century. You know, and and you know it's
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it is due process. Whether people like it or not,
that is the issue.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
John Fabricatory, our guest. Of course, this hit close to home,
not that far away, Colorado Springs. Over the past week
and a DA led sting operation, over one hundred illegal
aliens apprehended at a Colorado Springs speakeasy underground nightclub that
was off the radar selling designer drugs, offering up prostitutes
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they had illegally obtained firearms there. Here was Pam Bondi
commenting on that.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Last night, Brian, what they did so tobacco. During the
Biden administration, they received one hundred and seventy nine to
one one calls to that club alone.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That club, we were.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
Just watching one hundred and seventy calls. Wouldn't you think
that would have been a red flag? Would nothing happen? Guns, shootings,
AG batteries? Nothing happened. So under Donald Trump, DEA, FBI,
US Marshalls atf ICE, everyone went in together. Dea led
this investigation, went in, got one hundred and fifteen illegal
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immigrants aliens in our country, arrested them, two with warrants,
twelve guns seesed. So what would happen in this club
is you would go in, security would give you a
menu of drugs, cocaine, there's something new called pink cocaine, meth.
You could go in a bathroom stall get that. Those prostitution,
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all these things going on, and we just now identified
a member of Sinaloa cartel was also in there.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And in a statement issued by Senator Michael Bennett, the
presumptive favorite to be our next governor, John I hate
to say that he was kind of mealy mouthing equivocating here.
We've got to make sure that these people all get
due process. Well, based on what Pam Bondi just said,
there have been multiple complaints about this to the Biden administration.
Nothing was done. What about the due process for the
American citizens that lived in close proximity to this absolute hellhole.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
American citizens didn't get a.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Lot of due process over the last four years under
the Biden administration. They led in millions, millions of young
men unvetted into this country who we don't know who
they are. Many of them are now committing crimes and
violating United States citizens. And it's time for us to
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go look at the immigration law and actually enforce it.
And that's what President Trump is trying to do. He's
using laws that are on the books. He's not making
things up. Just because other presidential administrations didn't use those
laws doesn't mean that President Trump is wrong. He's actually
going in and using laws that Congress has passed. And
we see all these rogue judges out there just trying
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to make them put a stop to it.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It's it's you know, it's crazy to.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Look at you know what's actually happening. But President Trump
made a promise, this is what he was going to do,
and he's doing it.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
John, On the topic of those judges, this is what's
really grinding my gears. You have these activist liberal judges
that are stepping way out of bounds in terms of
their realm of authority, looking to usurp the power of
the executive branch and the President of the United States
to make policy. He was elected to do that they
were not. And further that point, even worse, we have
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judges in New Mexico, in Wisconsin absconding housing illegal aliens.
We've got another court order, I believe it came out
of Arizona demanding so Joe Biden lets in at least
at least eleven million unvetted illegal aliens to this country.
But no, John, We've got to have a court proceeding
and hearing for every one of those eleven million individuals
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in order to deport them. That's that's chaos.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Yeah, But the truth is Ryan, we have been having
those court proceedings. We've been going through those court proceedings
and and one of those court proceedings is called voluntary
departure where they get before an immigration judge, and an
immigration judge asks them if they want to voluntary depart
instead of having a formal deportation, and many people say
yes because they.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Just want to get out of the US.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
They know they have no means to stay here lawfully,
so they say yes.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
But now the left is even attacking that.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
They're saying that it's not due process for a judge
to ask an illegal allien if they want to voluntarily
depart the United States instead.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Of being formally removed.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
The left is willing to do anything to keep these
illegals here.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
And you have to ask yourself.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Why why are they Why are they willing to fight
so hard to keep people who are unlawfully president in
the United States here? And and again, you know, you
and I have had this conversation. You know they're there.
There's some you know, talk about it, you know, being
in redistricting, congressional disgrics, you know, further down the line
for for for voting, but you know, or just you know,
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there's there's a lot different reasons. But you know, it's
just crazy to see what these judges are doing. It
is lawfare. The Democrats have used it the whole last
four years, and they're going to continue to use it
while while President Trump is.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
In office, and is ever more important for President Trump
to get this straightened out, nipped in the bud by
twenty twenty eight prior to the twenty thirty census, because
we've already seen people voting with their feet leaving California
and blue states for Texas, for Florida, for Tennessee and
other red states. The redistricting that takes place. What these
illegals are all about, it's the census. It's accounting for
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these illegal aliens in these districts to reapportion house seats
and electoral votes. Follow him on x abolutely Ryan at
John E. Underscore fab with two b's. There's a TBD
to be determined about his status and the Trump administration. John.
Hopefully next time you're on with us you can talk
more about that. I hope, so, Ryan, I'll talk to
you too, all right, John Fabricatory, great guy, right there.
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We'll take this time out. Come back with Aaron Lee,
parental rights advocate after this. On Ryan Lives.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
I think my name is Valrieleio or loyalist I can
to like to say and.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm representing myself.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I'm the first generation American. My parents left their communist
country of Romania to move to the US so they
could start a family and practice their faith. Let me
give you a little history lesson communism in Romania started
with the wing of the Socialist Party.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I believe some of you on this committee were.
Speaker 8 (19:26):
Endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America. I know one
of the sponsors was how does this pertain to this?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Though?
Speaker 8 (19:32):
The Socialists and communists in Romania began an anti religious
campaign where they ultimately hope to control and determine the
one right faith and therefore force compliance with the beliefs
of the nanny state.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
This bill seeks to do just that.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
It seeks to silence.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
People's people of all walks of life and religions Christians, Muslims, Jews,
even atheists, and try to force them into compliance with
your faith system.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Your faith system of.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
Cores that we will not comply with your desire to
set great children from families that dare to resist and
reject harming children.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Your faith system demands utter.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
And total failty to trans ideology. This bill seeks to
force families, schools, businesses, and the courts to lie and accept.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Delusion as truth.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We will not comply.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
We will not stop fighting.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
We will not let you take away our freedom of
speech and freedom of religion. I will fight to make
sure my children live in a free country, not one
run by socialists and communists that which to control us.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Noise in Tempo polu is what.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
My people said when they stood in Victory Square as
communism fell.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Nois in tempo polu.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
We are the people, and we the people, will not comply.
Vote no on HB twenty five, thirteen twelve. Right on Valerie,
Valerie Leo, who is one of my loyal followers on X.
She's fantastic. She liked me. A first generation American, she
like me, had grandparents, parents that came here from an
Eastern Block communist nation. Why are so many of us
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like val like myself conservative Republicans politically because of that experience,
Because we know what the far left has to offer,
and Veil touched on it. Right there, The dangers of
the Democratic Socialists of America who have infiltrated our Colorado
General Assembly are as follows. The first thing they want
to do is separate you from your religion. The tenets
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the foundation upon which the family is based. From there,
they want to separate you from your children, that your
children should be wards of the state, like we heard
from Cecilia. Remember she's breaking my heart, She's shaken my
confidence daily. She was arguing on behalf of a monarchy
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that in monarchist English tradition, the children were the king's children,
wards of the state, not the parents. That was the
argument she was making. And this is the argument that
Val was supplying against the socialist whose Marxist tenants stand
in direct conflict and contrast with those of American values.
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And that is the basis for this bill, this poisoned
pill House Bill twenty five, thirteen twelve and joining us.
She's on the front lines fighting against it. One of
the top parental advocates in the state of Colorado are
good friend Aaron Lee here on Ryan Schuling Live. Aaron,
welcome back.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
Hey Ryan, thanks for having me, and I just love
that you opened with a clip from my dear friend Val.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Isn't she fantastic?
Speaker 9 (22:31):
Oh my gosh, She's such an unsung hero of this
grassroots parental rights movement. She's just she always shows up
and sure, her message is always on point. So I'm
glad you opened with that.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Now, what I admire about you erin not just to
your gumption, your gusto and having been through this whole
experience this nightmare personally firsthand with your own daughter, but
that you kind of see the forest for the trees
here and you have anticipation for where this is going.
There were dozens, if not hundreds of people on our
side of this, many more than were in favor of it,
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to testify against this bill before the Senate Judiciary Committee
on Wednesday. Didn't get through all of them, but the
Senate is making some concessions trying to strip away the
more odorous, onerous parts of this bill that would become law.
But you have pointed out, and I think very astutely,
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so that don't let them fool you into thinking they're
moderating this bill in any way, shape, manner, or form.
Why are people whise not to subscribe to that? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (23:33):
Well, first of all, over seven hundred people signed up
to testify against this bill, and that was a record
for the Colorado Senate. We had three overflow rooms. They
were even putting people in the Senate gallery because the
third over overflow room was full so it was a
wild night, and it was over eighty percent of the
people that signed up were in opposition, and so the
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Senate pulled some tricks last night where they only allow
four hours for each side to argue. So one hundred
percent of the supporters of the bill got a chance
to testify, but five hundred people who are still waiting
online were silenced from being able to oppose this egregious bill.
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And so the Senate played some funny tricks last night,
and they're doing the same with these amendments. You know,
as is Paulus has indicated that he would not find
the bill in its entirety, and so they tried to
water it down and make it appear as though they
were passing these amendments to make it more palatable, more
easy for people to digest, and okay with the senators
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voting on it, but they're just a smoke screen, you know.
It's all a tactic to trick people to thinking that
this bill is not really that bad. And one hundred
percent of the bill is egregious, So even if they
do keep the amendments, it's not a good bill.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
About the amendments, what did it take out? I think
I'm reading that it's the language about the parents not
affirming the child's gen there and therefore that could be
used in a court to adjudicate whether or not the
parents maintain custody of the children. But you're saying, not
so fast. That could still happen, right right.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
So they struck section two, five and eight, but they
also put in something like ten other amendments. So they
added to they put a fiscal note back into the bill.
They put the portion that requires all state systems to
be updated to include gender identity, which will cost us
the tax payers. But I cautioned last night in my
testimony that while they may have currently taken out the
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language that explicitly fates misgendering your child is coercial control,
they still left in the pieces of the bill that
stay dead naming and misgendering our discrimination under Colorado law,
and that can absolutely be used against parents in the court.
So although they're not explicitly saying that you, as a
parent or abusive if you do this, they're still defining
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it as discrimination. So it will be used against parents,
and it is being used against parents. We heard from
six parents last night who've already been affected by the
implications of this bill for not gendering their child the
way they want to be gendered.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Aaron Lee, our guest, a proud advocate for parents, and
of course you can watch her documentary Art Club online.
It is still on YouTube as well. I think that's
a miracle onto itself, but it documents her journey with
her daughter, and thankfully this story does have a happy
ending that's continuing. In fact, Aaron's daughter, who went through
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gender dysphoria and was able to come out the other side,
is herself becoming an advocate in this movement as well,
So you've got to be really proud of her. Eron,
I gotta.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Imagine, I'm so proud. And also I'm currently driving carpool
and all three of my kids are being quiet for
this interview. So I'm proud of all three of my
kids in this very moment.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Well, we thank them and especially you. But just one
more kind of angle to this. I'm looking at this,
I'm trying to through very sober eyes. Politically, which we
know in the state of Colorado, to put it mildly,
our middle let's say, on the political spectrum is probably
considered center left compared to the rest of the country.
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Center left is the middle. Center left. Parents out there
have to be absolutely up in arms against this, even
if they never in a million years might consider voting Republicans.
So what I'm kind of targeting here is that if
I'm a Democrat in the Senate. Senate districts are much
larger than house districts. There is a wider, typically swath
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of types of people and what they believe and how
they vote. So even if you're in a bluish purple
district at this point as a senator, I don't understand
the political calculation of even trying to water this bill down.
To me, this is a no brainer, slam dunk, punt it,
kick it out to the curb. This is a poison pill.
It doesn't do them any good politically. Any gain that
they have will be offset by all kinds of aggrieved
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parents that are going to be now finding out about
this because it's become a national story. What do you
make of the political calculation of Senate Democrats with this bill.
Speaker 9 (28:08):
Yeah, that was unexpected for me, and I think they
tried to water it down again to absolve themselves of
the responsibility of voting for the most egregious parts of
the bill as people read it. But you're right, it's
entirely bad and it's not a good political move for them,
and I think they're just not willing to break from parties.
But they're certainly intimidated by the amount of correspondence that's
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been sent their way. I spoke with one Senator who
said he got twelve thousand emails in eight days, and
they came from all sides of the political spectrum. This
is not a part of an issue. All parents rights
are threatened by this bill. All citizens' rights to free
speech are threatened by this bill. And then the senators
know that they see their writing on the wall, and
these amendments seem like a desperate attempt to try to
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gaslighter argument and trick the public into thinking that they're
not actually voting on a horrible bill. But I think
we the people are smarter than that. I really do.
I think the people see this for what it is.
They see the forest for the trees, and that voting
for any part of thirteen twelve is egregious. And I
should point out that right now as we speak, thirteen
oh nine, which is the sister bill to thirteen twelve
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its being heard and Senate Health and Human Services Committee,
in fact, val will to save her testimony. And that's
the bill that will force we the taxpayers to pay
for these elective transgender affirming surgery and also takes testosterone
off of any data tracking by the state, so testosterone
prescriptions will be secret. So we're not just going to
be paying for twelve year olds to be transitioned. It's
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going to be done in secret, and we're not just
people should pay attention to that, right, Aaron.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
We're not going to just be paying for everything you
just describe, but we're going to become a hub and
a magnet nationwide as a transsanctuary state to pay as
Colorado taxpayers for out of state surgeries along these lines
as well.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
Correct, Right, And the organizations like One Colorado and the
people that are supporting this bill actually testify to that.
They brag about the fact that we are the safest
state for transgender procedures and that families are flocking here
with their children from other states like Kansas, that they're
driving ten hours from Nebraska to come get their you know,
quote unquote healthcare.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Here.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
And this bill was written we the Colorado taxpayers would
be paying for out of state people's children's gender transition procedure, or,
in other.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Words, to abuse their children. Final point here, Aaron, you
mentioned Governor Paulus was against this bill in its original form.
I'm kind of heartened to hear that, although I'm not
entirely optimistic in its revised form. Do you see this
getting through the Senate to his desk? And will he
sign this watered down version? In your estimation, I think.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
His motives are politically driven, obviously by his presidential aspirations.
But I think if we continue to apply the pressure,
then we can't effectively keep him from signing him in
all of this is due to the pressure that we
put on that they've never seen such an upwear roughroar
from against what they're doing. And so if we just
continue to apply that press, I'm sure that we're not
satisfied by these amendments. Keep emailing, keep spending the petition,
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keep calling. I think we can prevent him from signing
it in any form when it reaches his death. So
just do not let up on the gap, do not
let up.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Keep up the fight. She's leading it, helping lead it.
Aaron for Parents is where you can follow her on
X E R I N the number four Parents. Aaron,
great work as always, Thank you so much for your
time and thank you for inviting me to your carpool.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Thanks Ryan, a time out.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Closing out with your text five seven seven three nine
and one more instance of Deep Thoughts by Vice President
Former Vice President Kamala Harris after this Ryan shuling live,
you'll find it there your favorite podcast platform, even not
your favorite platform, like your second or third favorite or
(31:50):
least favorite, it's there too. Talking about House Bill twenty
five thirteen twelve, Patty texts in and says, Kamala, what
have you been thinking about lately? Kamala, you misunderstood the question.
The question was have you been able to start thinking lately?
In the previous installment of Deep Thoughts, she was wondering
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aloud about the elephants at the San Diego Zoo during
the most recent earthquake. That's where her mind was, if
she has a mind at all, which is debatable. This
one says Ryan, we need to pass a law that
states that only real ID holders and their dependents are
eligible to be counted in the US census. In regards
to redistricting of congressional seats agreed. You must have legal
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status in this country. I would say you have to
be a citizen to be counted. But if you have
legal status, that's a compromise of you willing to make.
You can't just willing nearly count any person who happened
to find a way into the country illegally as constituents,
so to speak for Senator Van Holland and Maryland or
anybody else in California. If that's adhered to, if the
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twenty three census is conducted as it should be, there
will be a red way the likes of which we
have rarely seen.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
M
And you'll pick out one man.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
But even the man that you picked out, he's got
He said he wasn't a member of a gang.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
And then they looked and on his knuckles he had
MS three. There's a minute, a minute, he had MS thirteen.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
We had some tattoos that are interpreted that way. But
let's move on.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Wait a minute, Terry, Terry, Terry, he did not under
that or m S one. It says m S one three.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That was photoshop.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
So let me do this photoshop, Terry.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You ahead of that.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime.
You know you're doing the interview. I picked you because
factly I never heard of you. But that's okay.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
By this.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I picked to you, Terry. He beg, you're not being
very nice. He had MS thirteen. Tattoos.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
We'll agree to disagree.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I want to rive on to something, Terry.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Nope, Terry, that's not your call in that instance, moving
on to something else. And President Trump was not letting
go of that topic of that issue, of that specific example.
Kill mar Abrigo Garcia. The tattoo on his knuckles. There
are four of them, the index, the middle, the ring,
and the baby finger. And the image that was in question.
(01:05):
I sent to our next guest to break down. And
the truth is somewhere in between what Terry Moran is
contending and what President Trump is contending. And here's the
second part of that exchange. It didn't stop there.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Can over show you the picture.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I saw the picture. Well the photoshop.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Here we go, here we go, photoshop, But go look
at his hand, Amistad.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
If you did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way,
I'm not an expert on them. I want to turn
to Ukraine. I want to get to.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
He at MS as clear as you can be, not interpreted.
This is why people no longer believe well the news
because in El Salvador they aren't there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But let's just go they aren't there when he's in
there now, right, No, Terry Ukraine, sir, he's got MS
thirteen on his knuckles. All right, okay, it's a service.
Will take a look what he's just saying. Yes he does.
And you know, going to something else.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It's contested, it certainly is. And what Terry Moran was
kind of posturing with there was that the tattoo. He
made it sound like they weren't there at all. I
think what Terry meant, and I'm being charitable to him,
is that the superimposed the kind of interpretation that he's
talking about, the the type set letters that said m
(02:27):
S one three on the knuckle. I mean, if you're
a member of a gang like that, and it's an
international gang, and you are a criminal, illegal alien, you're
not going to put out a bright, shining, flashing sile like, hey,
literally look at my knuckles, m S one three. You're
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gonna have some kind of code. But what Terry Moran
made it sound like was somehow the tattoos themselves, the
symbols that we saw were completely eradicated, not present when
he was in prison. Ail Salvador I don't either. We
got to get to the bottom of this. Let's go
to John Fabricatory. He has worked as an ICE office
field director and he is currently in line to be
appointed by the Trump administration. Getting some of those details
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whatever he can tell us. Here and Ryan Schuling live
right now. John, welcome back.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Hey, thanks Ryan, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
First of all, can you give us an update on
your status.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I've got a tentative offer to work for the Trump administration.
That's pretty much all I can say right now, just
waiting for a final background to go through, and then
once that has occurred, I can be a little bit
more forthcoming with where I'm going to what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Not only that, will you promise to come on this program?
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Absolutely, I will come on Ryan, you know for sure,
I'll leave hop on your program.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I'll tell you what. John was the one guy when
I went to DC for the inauguration and we were
going to meet up for drinks or whatever, he showed up.
He was there and I appreciate that. Now, the issue
of this tattoo, John, I'm looking at the photo right now.
It's right in front of me. That's when I sent
you right And on the index knuckle has a marijuana leaf.
On the middle finger knuckle it has a smiley face
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with two xes for eyes. On the ring finger it
has a cross. And on the pinky finger it has
a skull. What does that mean? It's it's MS thirteen.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Look, you know these guys are not putting Ms thirteen
on their body anymore.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I you know, there there were a.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Lot that did early on.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
They've they've switched to kind of coating inside of those tattoos.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You know, we don't.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
We don't see the one three.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
As often as we used to.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
They're they're hiding it in a lot of tattoos, either
using Roman numerals hidden inside of a tattoo or using
something as simple as lips. They'll they'll tattoo a pair
of lips on them, and the lips will look a
little bit kind of weird, but when you look at
the lips, you actually see the one three and the
smile of the lips. You know, they use a lot
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of different things to mean something else. And knowing gang tattoos,
I've worked gangs for many, many years in my career,
I try to keep up on them. I actually sent
you a PDF from Canada, yep, that I showed a
lot of this.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
You know, how these tattoos are looked at. And I
sent you the one from.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Canada for a reason because I wanted to show that,
you know, even in other countries, this coding is going on.
This was definitely MS thirteen tattoo, you know. When it
was sent out. I don't like that they put the
MS thirteen above it in that kind of photoshopped.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
You know image that you see the president holding, and
they did that to kind.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Of show people what each symbol meant. I wish they
would have done out on like a separate photo because
you know, there's so much pushback from the left that
you know it's sake because of you know how they
did that.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
John Fabricatory, our guests. It wasn't just President Trump with
Terry Moran of ABC News. John the weekend before Tom Holman,
who you and I both have a very high opinion of,
was on ABC News Sunday, George Stephanopolis skipping out another
hosting duties. Jonathan carl was in that Sunday and they
(06:25):
were having kind of a dosey dough about this issue
of the tattoo for kil Mar Abrigo Garcia. Here was
a portion of that exchange.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Somebody's got a bad tattoo somebody, I mean your acknowledge
tattoos are part of the calculation here.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I mean you might have.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
One factor on the manufacturers I worked have you Have
you been an alien gang?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Cus watt I have.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Tattoos are one of many factors that's going to determine
from the thing.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's not the only one.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
You can't say, okay, tattoo gang, No, there's other indias.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
To that.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Tattoo.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Tattoos one factor that adds to other factors that makes
that determination. What I'm saying is you can't ignore a tattoo.
That's one more factor that leads you to believe maybe
the gang member. It's just not based on tattoos. It's
based on a lot of other things, but tattoos. Want
of many But no one's removed just because of a tattoo.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
No one's removed just because of a tattoo. But John,
let's play this out in a real life scenario which
you may be facing in your new post. You're handed
this dossiate, all of these materials, all of this information
about kill maar Abrago Garcia. It includes the tattoos in
all of his past dealings with the law, his claims
for asylum, his excommunication from El Salvador, the totality of
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the evidence. What does it tell you about kill maar
Abrago Garcia himself.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Look, it definitely shows that that he was a gang member.
And like Tom said, and Tom has forgotten more about
law enforcement than that reporter we'll ever know. We look
at a multitude of things when we're making that determination
where the person was arrested because certain areas are certain
are controlled by certain gangs. What they got arrested for,
(08:09):
Like like, if you're drug dealing in a certain neighborhood,
the likelihood of you belonging to a gang that controls
that neighborhood is pretty high. The kind of clothing you
may be wearing when you're arrested, you know, what's in
your pockets when when when we arrest you, you know,
we look through that evidence to try to find connections
to other gang members who.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
You are arrested with.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
And it was shown that he was arrested with other
gang members and he had over twelve hundred dollars in
cash in his pocket when he was arrested.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
He wasn't he was stopped and he was smuggling.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
There was a human smuggling situation going on with him.
This this guy has done so much. I mean, there's
there are there are you know, affidavits out from from
his his wife saying that he had beat her, from
his his wife's ex husband claiming that that Abrago as
a gang member. There's more than enough information. The Left
(09:03):
just doesn't want to see it. They want to ignore
it because you know, they they.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Need a hell to die on.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And this is what they've chosen.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
The human trafficking allegation that John touched on there, the
pulling over that vehicle took place in Tennessee. There were
several illegal aliens in said vehicle. Along with the fact
that I believe I have forgotten this detail right, the Kilmar
Abrigo Garcia had an expired license or an invalid license,
something along those lines. So there are plenty of red
flags here. John. Not to mention again, correct me if
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I'm wrong, but a standing deportation order on him, yes.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Yeah, so he was sound removable by a judge. He
went through the Bureau of Immigration Appeals. They appealed that,
and then they wound up getting withholding of deportation. And
the withholding order should have said El Salvador, but unfortunately
there was a mistake on the paperwork that said Guadam.
(10:01):
They wound up deporting him to El Salvador. Now that
is his original country. And you know, because withholding originally
should have been El Salvador, he probably shouldn't have been
deported there. But on top of this, listen, if you
have withholding an immigration and the country, conditions change, because
what he said to get withholding was that the Eighteenth
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Street Gang was trying to kill him. And at the time,
Eighteenth Street Gang was very prolific in El Salvador as
one of many gangs besides them as thirteen that were
in El Salvador. But country conditions have changed in El
Salvador because of their new president, and within the last
three years they went from one of the highest murder
rates in South America, it's one of the lowest murder
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rates in South America.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
With that being said, also he.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Is now designated as a foreign as a.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Terrorist.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
He's a farm born terrorist, so.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
That invalidates the withholding as well. Now they should have
had a hearing to do all this, but he still
would have been deported to El Salvador at the end
of the day. And I think if they do wind
up bringing him back, they're going to bring him back,
They're going to hold him in a court, they're going
to remove the withholding, and he's getting deported again. This
is a foreign born national from the country of El
Salvador who entered our country illegally, was found to be
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here unlawfully, was ordered deported and granted withholding.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
He is a gang member.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
He's probably not a very good guy, like.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Like President Trump wants to say, not a good guy,
but he's going to get deported regardless.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
He's a bad umbra. Okay, John Ombra, John Fabricatory joining
us with that very clear breakdown of who kilmar Abrego
Garcia was and is what I'm trying to kind of
square in my own mind, John, what you have just described,
for the most part, was far more due process for
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a foreign born national, not an American citizen. Then we saw,
let's say, for those that stormed the Capitol on January sixth,
who were America consitizens. So that's just one point, But
the other one would be this Michael Bennett came out
and in his statement we'll get to another part portion
of this as well. All the Democrats are parating the
same talking point about due process what you just described.
(12:14):
Other than the clerical error that we talked about. Maybe
he should have gone to Vatamala instead of l Salvador,
but he shouldn't have been here. He got due process.
There's no lacking of due process when it comes to
this individual kil maar A Bragel Garcia. Yes or no.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Absolutely, he got due process.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
And the Democrats that are claiming that.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
A lot of these illegal aliens haven't gotten due process.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think we've removed right now.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Since the Trump administration started, over one hundred and thirty
thousand illegal aliens have been deported. Ninety nine point nine
percent of those got Title eight due process. That means
they went before an immigration judge or went through the
Title eight process for being removed. A very very small
amount I believe it's less than nine hundred individuals were
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removed on the Alien Enemies Act, which is still due
process because it's a congressional loss. Donald Trump did not
make up the Alien Enemies Act. The Alien Enemies Act
has been on the books for one hundreds of years,
approved by Congress, has been used before in this in
this last century. You know, and and you know it's
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it is due process. Whether people like it or not,
that is the issue.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
John Fabricatory, our guest. Of course, this hit close to home,
not that far away, Colorado Springs. Over the past week
and a DA led sting operation, over one hundred illegal
aliens apprehended at a Colorado Springs speakeasy underground nightclub that
was off the radar selling designer drugs, offering up prostitutes
(13:47):
they had illegally obtained firearms there. Here was Pam Bondi
commenting on that.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Last night, Brian, what they did so tobacco. During the
Biden administration, they received one hundred and seventy nine to
one one calls to that club alone.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That club, we were.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
Just watching one hundred and seventy calls. Wouldn't you think
that would have been a red flag? Would nothing happen? Guns, shootings,
AG batteries? Nothing happened. So under Donald Trump, DEA, FBI,
US Marshalls atf ICE, everyone went in together. Dea led
this investigation, went in, got one hundred and fifteen illegal
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immigrants aliens in our country, arrested them, two with warrants,
twelve guns seesed. So what would happen in this club
is you would go in, security would give you a
menu of drugs, cocaine, there's something new called pink cocaine, meth.
You could go in a bathroom stall get that. Those prostitution,
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all these things going on, and we just now identified
a member of Sinaloa cartel was also in there.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And in a statement issued by Senator Michael Bennett, the
presumptive favorite to be our next governor, John I hate
to say that he was kind of mealy mouthing equivocating here.
We've got to make sure that these people all get
due process. Well, based on what Pam Bondi just said,
there have been multiple complaints about this to the Biden administration.
Nothing was done. What about the due process for the
American citizens that lived in close proximity to this absolute hellhole.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
American citizens didn't get a.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Lot of due process over the last four years under
the Biden administration. They led in millions, millions of young
men unvetted into this country who we don't know who
they are. Many of them are now committing crimes and
violating United States citizens. And it's time for us to
(15:39):
go look at the immigration law and actually enforce it.
And that's what President Trump is trying to do. He's
using laws that are on the books. He's not making
things up. Just because other presidential administrations didn't use those
laws doesn't mean that President Trump is wrong. He's actually
going in and using laws that Congress has passed. And
we see all these rogue judges out there just trying
(16:00):
to make them put a stop to it.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It's it's you know, it's crazy to.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Look at you know what's actually happening. But President Trump
made a promise, this is what he was going to do,
and he's doing it.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
John, On the topic of those judges, this is what's
really grinding my gears. You have these activist liberal judges
that are stepping way out of bounds in terms of
their realm of authority, looking to usurp the power of
the executive branch and the President of the United States
to make policy. He was elected to do that they
were not. And further that point, even worse, we have
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judges in New Mexico, in Wisconsin absconding housing illegal aliens.
We've got another court order, I believe it came out
of Arizona demanding so Joe Biden lets in at least
at least eleven million unvetted illegal aliens to this country.
But no, John, We've got to have a court proceeding
and hearing for every one of those eleven million individuals
(16:53):
in order to deport them. That's that's chaos.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Yeah, But the truth is Ryan, we have been having
those court proceedings. We've been going through those court proceedings
and and one of those court proceedings is called voluntary
departure where they get before an immigration judge, and an
immigration judge asks them if they want to voluntary depart
instead of having a formal deportation, and many people say
yes because they.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Just want to get out of the US.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
They know they have no means to stay here lawfully,
so they say yes.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
But now the left is even attacking that.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
They're saying that it's not due process for a judge
to ask an illegal allien if they want to voluntarily
depart the United States instead.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Of being formally removed.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
The left is willing to do anything to keep these
illegals here.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
And you have to ask yourself.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Why why are they Why are they willing to fight
so hard to keep people who are unlawfully president in
the United States here? And and again, you know, you
and I have had this conversation. You know they're there.
There's some you know, talk about it, you know, being
in redistricting, congressional disgrics, you know, further down the line
for for for voting, but you know, or just you know,
(17:59):
there's there's a lot different reasons. But you know, it's
just crazy to see what these judges are doing. It
is lawfare. The Democrats have used it the whole last
four years, and they're going to continue to use it
while while President Trump is.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
In office, and is ever more important for President Trump
to get this straightened out, nipped in the bud by
twenty twenty eight prior to the twenty thirty census, because
we've already seen people voting with their feet leaving California
and blue states for Texas, for Florida, for Tennessee and
other red states. The redistricting that takes place. What these
illegals are all about, it's the census. It's accounting for
(18:33):
these illegal aliens in these districts to reapportion house seats
and electoral votes. Follow him on x abolutely Ryan at
John E. Underscore fab with two b's. There's a TBD
to be determined about his status and the Trump administration. John.
Hopefully next time you're on with us you can talk
more about that. I hope, so, Ryan, I'll talk to
you too, all right, John Fabricatory, great guy, right there.
(18:55):
We'll take this time out. Come back with Aaron Lee,
parental rights advocate after this. On Ryan Lives.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
I think my name is Valrieleio or loyalist I can
to like to say and.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm representing myself.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
I'm the first generation American. My parents left their communist
country of Romania to move to the US so they
could start a family and practice their faith. Let me
give you a little history lesson communism in Romania started
with the wing of the Socialist Party.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I believe some of you on this committee were.
Speaker 8 (19:26):
Endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America. I know one
of the sponsors was how does this pertain to this?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Though?
Speaker 8 (19:32):
The Socialists and communists in Romania began an anti religious
campaign where they ultimately hope to control and determine the
one right faith and therefore force compliance with the beliefs
of the nanny state.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
This bill seeks to do just that.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
It seeks to silence.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
People's people of all walks of life and religions Christians, Muslims, Jews,
even atheists, and try to force them into compliance with
your faith system.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Your faith system of.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
Cores that we will not comply with your desire to
set great children from families that dare to resist and
reject harming children.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Your faith system demands utter.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
And total failty to trans ideology. This bill seeks to
force families, schools, businesses, and the courts to lie and accept.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Delusion as truth.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We will not comply.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
We will not stop fighting.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
We will not let you take away our freedom of
speech and freedom of religion. I will fight to make
sure my children live in a free country, not one
run by socialists and communists that which to control us.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Noise in Tempo polu is what.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
My people said when they stood in Victory Square as
communism fell.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Nois in tempo polu.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
We are the people, and we the people, will not comply.
Vote no on HB twenty five, thirteen twelve. Right on Valerie,
Valerie Leo, who is one of my loyal followers on X.
She's fantastic. She liked me. A first generation American, she
like me, had grandparents, parents that came here from an
Eastern Block communist nation. Why are so many of us
(20:58):
like val like myself conservative Republicans politically because of that experience,
Because we know what the far left has to offer,
and Veil touched on it. Right there, The dangers of
the Democratic Socialists of America who have infiltrated our Colorado
General Assembly are as follows. The first thing they want
to do is separate you from your religion. The tenets
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the foundation upon which the family is based. From there,
they want to separate you from your children, that your
children should be wards of the state, like we heard
from Cecilia. Remember she's breaking my heart, She's shaken my
confidence daily. She was arguing on behalf of a monarchy
(21:41):
that in monarchist English tradition, the children were the king's children,
wards of the state, not the parents. That was the
argument she was making. And this is the argument that
Val was supplying against the socialist whose Marxist tenants stand
in direct conflict and contrast with those of American values.
(22:06):
And that is the basis for this bill, this poisoned
pill House Bill twenty five, thirteen twelve and joining us.
She's on the front lines fighting against it. One of
the top parental advocates in the state of Colorado are
good friend Aaron Lee here on Ryan Schuling Live. Aaron,
welcome back.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
Hey Ryan, thanks for having me, and I just love
that you opened with a clip from my dear friend Val.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Isn't she fantastic?
Speaker 9 (22:31):
Oh my gosh, She's such an unsung hero of this
grassroots parental rights movement. She's just she always shows up
and sure, her message is always on point. So I'm
glad you opened with that.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Now, what I admire about you erin not just to
your gumption, your gusto and having been through this whole
experience this nightmare personally firsthand with your own daughter, but
that you kind of see the forest for the trees
here and you have anticipation for where this is going.
There were dozens, if not hundreds of people on our
side of this, many more than were in favor of it,
(23:03):
to testify against this bill before the Senate Judiciary Committee
on Wednesday. Didn't get through all of them, but the
Senate is making some concessions trying to strip away the
more odorous, onerous parts of this bill that would become law.
But you have pointed out, and I think very astutely,
(23:24):
so that don't let them fool you into thinking they're
moderating this bill in any way, shape, manner, or form.
Why are people whise not to subscribe to that? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (23:33):
Well, first of all, over seven hundred people signed up
to testify against this bill, and that was a record
for the Colorado Senate. We had three overflow rooms. They
were even putting people in the Senate gallery because the
third over overflow room was full so it was a
wild night, and it was over eighty percent of the
people that signed up were in opposition, and so the
(23:55):
Senate pulled some tricks last night where they only allow
four hours for each side to argue. So one hundred
percent of the supporters of the bill got a chance
to testify, but five hundred people who are still waiting
online were silenced from being able to oppose this egregious bill.
(24:16):
And so the Senate played some funny tricks last night,
and they're doing the same with these amendments. You know,
as is Paulus has indicated that he would not find
the bill in its entirety, and so they tried to
water it down and make it appear as though they
were passing these amendments to make it more palatable, more
easy for people to digest, and okay with the senators
(24:36):
voting on it, but they're just a smoke screen, you know.
It's all a tactic to trick people to thinking that
this bill is not really that bad. And one hundred
percent of the bill is egregious, So even if they
do keep the amendments, it's not a good bill.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
About the amendments, what did it take out? I think
I'm reading that it's the language about the parents not
affirming the child's gen there and therefore that could be
used in a court to adjudicate whether or not the
parents maintain custody of the children. But you're saying, not
so fast. That could still happen, right right.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
So they struck section two, five and eight, but they
also put in something like ten other amendments. So they
added to they put a fiscal note back into the bill.
They put the portion that requires all state systems to
be updated to include gender identity, which will cost us
the tax payers. But I cautioned last night in my
testimony that while they may have currently taken out the
(25:34):
language that explicitly fates misgendering your child is coercial control,
they still left in the pieces of the bill that
stay dead naming and misgendering our discrimination under Colorado law,
and that can absolutely be used against parents in the court.
So although they're not explicitly saying that you, as a
parent or abusive if you do this, they're still defining
(25:56):
it as discrimination. So it will be used against parents,
and it is being used against parents. We heard from
six parents last night who've already been affected by the
implications of this bill for not gendering their child the
way they want to be gendered.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Aaron Lee, our guest, a proud advocate for parents, and
of course you can watch her documentary Art Club online.
It is still on YouTube as well. I think that's
a miracle onto itself, but it documents her journey with
her daughter, and thankfully this story does have a happy
ending that's continuing. In fact, Aaron's daughter, who went through
(26:34):
gender dysphoria and was able to come out the other side,
is herself becoming an advocate in this movement as well,
So you've got to be really proud of her. Eron,
I gotta.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Imagine, I'm so proud. And also I'm currently driving carpool
and all three of my kids are being quiet for
this interview. So I'm proud of all three of my
kids in this very moment.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Well, we thank them and especially you. But just one
more kind of angle to this. I'm looking at this,
I'm trying to through very sober eyes. Politically, which we
know in the state of Colorado, to put it mildly,
our middle let's say, on the political spectrum is probably
considered center left compared to the rest of the country.
(27:14):
Center left is the middle. Center left. Parents out there
have to be absolutely up in arms against this, even
if they never in a million years might consider voting Republicans.
So what I'm kind of targeting here is that if
I'm a Democrat in the Senate. Senate districts are much
larger than house districts. There is a wider, typically swath
(27:35):
of types of people and what they believe and how
they vote. So even if you're in a bluish purple
district at this point as a senator, I don't understand
the political calculation of even trying to water this bill down.
To me, this is a no brainer, slam dunk, punt it,
kick it out to the curb. This is a poison pill.
It doesn't do them any good politically. Any gain that
they have will be offset by all kinds of aggrieved
(27:58):
parents that are going to be now finding out about
this because it's become a national story. What do you
make of the political calculation of Senate Democrats with this bill.
Speaker 9 (28:08):
Yeah, that was unexpected for me, and I think they
tried to water it down again to absolve themselves of
the responsibility of voting for the most egregious parts of
the bill as people read it. But you're right, it's
entirely bad and it's not a good political move for them,
and I think they're just not willing to break from parties.
But they're certainly intimidated by the amount of correspondence that's
(28:29):
been sent their way. I spoke with one Senator who
said he got twelve thousand emails in eight days, and
they came from all sides of the political spectrum. This
is not a part of an issue. All parents rights
are threatened by this bill. All citizens' rights to free
speech are threatened by this bill. And then the senators
know that they see their writing on the wall, and
these amendments seem like a desperate attempt to try to
(28:52):
gaslighter argument and trick the public into thinking that they're
not actually voting on a horrible bill. But I think
we the people are smarter than that. I really do.
I think the people see this for what it is.
They see the forest for the trees, and that voting
for any part of thirteen twelve is egregious. And I
should point out that right now as we speak, thirteen
oh nine, which is the sister bill to thirteen twelve
(29:13):
its being heard and Senate Health and Human Services Committee,
in fact, val will to save her testimony. And that's
the bill that will force we the taxpayers to pay
for these elective transgender affirming surgery and also takes testosterone
off of any data tracking by the state, so testosterone
prescriptions will be secret. So we're not just going to
be paying for twelve year olds to be transitioned. It's
(29:36):
going to be done in secret, and we're not just
people should pay attention to that, right, Aaron.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
We're not going to just be paying for everything you
just describe, but we're going to become a hub and
a magnet nationwide as a transsanctuary state to pay as
Colorado taxpayers for out of state surgeries along these lines
as well.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
Correct, Right, And the organizations like One Colorado and the
people that are supporting this bill actually testify to that.
They brag about the fact that we are the safest
state for transgender procedures and that families are flocking here
with their children from other states like Kansas, that they're
driving ten hours from Nebraska to come get their you know,
quote unquote healthcare.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Here.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
And this bill was written we the Colorado taxpayers would
be paying for out of state people's children's gender transition procedure, or,
in other.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Words, to abuse their children. Final point here, Aaron, you
mentioned Governor Paulus was against this bill in its original form.
I'm kind of heartened to hear that, although I'm not
entirely optimistic in its revised form. Do you see this
getting through the Senate to his desk? And will he
sign this watered down version? In your estimation, I think.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
His motives are politically driven, obviously by his presidential aspirations.
But I think if we continue to apply the pressure,
then we can't effectively keep him from signing him in
all of this is due to the pressure that we
put on that they've never seen such an upwear roughroar
from against what they're doing. And so if we just
continue to apply that press, I'm sure that we're not
satisfied by these amendments. Keep emailing, keep spending the petition,
(31:04):
keep calling. I think we can prevent him from signing
it in any form when it reaches his death. So
just do not let up on the gap, do not
let up.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Keep up the fight. She's leading it, helping lead it.
Aaron for Parents is where you can follow her on
X E R I N the number four Parents. Aaron,
great work as always, Thank you so much for your
time and thank you for inviting me to your carpool.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Thanks Ryan, a time out.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Closing out with your text five seven seven three nine
and one more instance of Deep Thoughts by Vice President
Former Vice President Kamala Harris after this Ryan shuling live,
you'll find it there your favorite podcast platform, even not
your favorite platform, like your second or third favorite or
(31:50):
least favorite, it's there too. Talking about House Bill twenty
five thirteen twelve, Patty texts in and says, Kamala, what
have you been thinking about lately? Kamala, you misunderstood the question.
The question was have you been able to start thinking lately?
In the previous installment of Deep Thoughts, she was wondering
(32:10):
aloud about the elephants at the San Diego Zoo during
the most recent earthquake. That's where her mind was, if
she has a mind at all, which is debatable. This
one says Ryan, we need to pass a law that
states that only real ID holders and their dependents are
eligible to be counted in the US census. In regards
to redistricting of congressional seats agreed. You must have legal
(32:35):
status in this country. I would say you have to
be a citizen to be counted. But if you have
legal status, that's a compromise of you willing to make.
You can't just willing nearly count any person who happened
to find a way into the country illegally as constituents,
so to speak for Senator Van Holland and Maryland or
anybody else in California. If that's adhered to, if the
(32:55):
twenty three census is conducted as it should be, there
will be a red way the likes of which we
have rarely seen.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
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