July 3, 2025 • 34 mins
Jon Caldara fills in for Ryan Schuiling today. In the first hour, Jon reacts to the passing of Trump's Big Beautiful Bill and shares his takes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ryan Nouasta Key.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm John Caldera, thrilled to be with you from the
day before fourth of July. What a great time to
talk about America. Talk about all the rest, but let's
dive into what has just happened in DC.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
This is big, what a huge victory for Trump.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It is called a triumph for Republicans. House narrowly passed
the Republicans sprawling tax and overspending Bill two hundred and
eighteen to two hundred and fourteen, delivering a major second
term victory for President Trump. We got a lot to
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go in over this, but let's be clear, this is
a huge victory for Trump. It will likely be his
only legislative victory. I don't know if the idea of
taking so many issues and putting them into one big
bill was brilliant or stupid Politically. There is so very
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much to hate about this bill. There is so much
to like about this bill. If you were a Republican
and this big, steaming pile of bill was on your
desk and you had to either give it a thumbs
up or thumbs down, and it was all up to you,
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I'd probably have to give it a thumbs up and
vote for it. But man, is it bad. It's good
in many ways. Most importantly, it makes permanent the Trump
tax code from Trump one point zero.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Now, that had to happen. It had to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And if that was on its own, if that was
the only thing in a bill, it would pass. Even
Democrats don't want that to expire because they don't want
the largest tax increase in American history to be on
their watch. They don't want to be the ones who said, no,
we voted against that, and that's why your taxes have
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gone skyrocketing. That said, oh god, do I hate how
the media and stupid people lap up the talking points
from the left that this was a bill for their wealthy. No, no,
it's a tax bill for everyone, absolutely everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That's that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's not like the wealthy got a bigger tax cut.
We all got the same tax cut. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And then to say this guts medicaid.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Hardly, hardly, when in Americamerican history is.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Requiring some type of employment.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Ripping apart a welfare project. All this does for both
SNAP which we used to call food stamps and Medicaid
is it adds a tiny work requirement for those able
bodied people, not people in the wheels chairs, not the
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developmentally disabled, not the people that Medicaid was actually made for,
but for poor people. And as long as they're working
to get a job, as long as they're doing something,
they get a huge benefit. I think most Americans want
to see a work requirement. Most Americans want to see
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people having to invest in their own lives before we
give them unlike limited welfare. So when you hear and
you're gonna hear it all day, you gotta hear it
all over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
The biggest guts.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
To foodstance, the biggest gut to miticate out the health
of the nation.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Is at rest. No, it's crap, absolute crap.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And when you're act your at the fourth of July
picnic tomorrow and your relatives are like, oh, that's Trump,
you did it. No, No, that's that's not what happened.
That is not what happened. So calmly tell them the
truth and then watch them squiggle around and get angry
about something else, because that's the way it has to be.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They gotta get angry yet something else.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
This is the largest debt increase from a single bit
of legislation.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
That's what like a and a.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Half trillion dollar debt package. You know, there was a
time when Republicans used to say they were the party
of restraint, fiscal restraint.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I don't see that much anymore, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Think people understand just how devastating this time bomb of
debt is. And if there was ever proof that it's
not Democrats that caused this bomb, that it wasn't Republicans
that caused this bomb, but all politicians who've caused this
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cataclysmic time bomb which could blow up.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't know, maybe in.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Ten years, maybe in twenty years, I don't know, but
it is unsustainable. It will devastate the country and perhaps
the world. And when nations go bank wars breakout, don't
be surprised.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So in World War Two, when we were fighting.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
A massive global battle, when fascism was on the march,
the federal government went into debt, an amazing amount of debt,
about one hundred percent of GDP, that is how much
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is created by our economy in a whole year. We
quickly put that onto the credit card. After the war,
we dropped that down as a percentage of GDP got
down to about fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I think at one point even less than that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The only time we weren't running deficits in modern times
was a few years under Bill Clinton. And before you
guys get all huffy as a Democrat and so it's
a Democratic victory. No, no, it was because we had
a Republican Congress and split government off. It split government
works the best, and it kept We ran a surplus,
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not in the debt package, but in those years, mostly
from welfare reform, welfare reform which Republicans pushed, and try,
excuse me, Clinton vetoed two times and then finally signed
it and.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Took credit for this great thing that he did. Well,
it was a great thing.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It evolved welfare to the states. The Feds gave the
states some money. The state said, here, you figure it out.
It's a block grant. And we had fifty different states
running fifty different programs and they all check each other
and see which one works best. And over time, lo
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and behold those with work requirements, those who said, yeah,
well we'll give you welfare, but you've got to show
that you're at least trying to find a job. Even
just trying to find a job, not accepting a job
scared so many people off of welfare. We saved gobs
of money. I think the same thing should happen in
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other places. All right, so let's let's talk about some
of the big the winners and the losers, and by
all means, give me a call on this and tell
me what you think. Was this a victory? Was this
a shame? And the answer is yes, it's a victory
and it's a loss. This is a terrible bill and
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it shows you just how ugly the sausage making that
is lawmaking is. Three or three seven, three eight, two
five five seven to one three talk. I'd love to
hear from you. Let me lay this out as a premise.
One of the things that those of us who believe
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in free markets I believe government should uphold to a
principle is that government should not choose winners and losers
in the economy. That the government needs to play the
role of referee. The government needs to uphold that promise
of the Declaration of Independence, that we're all created equal,
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that government serves us the same way, that laws apply
equally to all of us. What drives me crazy about
the left and now growing more on the right, is
the casualness people have a saying, Oh, well, I want
this outcome. We ought to have taxes for that. Oh
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I want that outcome. We should outlaw that book behavior.
Oh I want this outcome. So let's just mess with
the economy. Oh I hate corporations, but let's have public
private partnerships running government run grocery stores.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
In New York City.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I mean the casualness that they say, oh, these guys
should win, those guys should lose.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So when I look at something like Trump's big Beautiful bill,
I think it's something that says, if it's beautiful, it
gets government out of choosing winners and losers. If it's beautiful,
it lowers regulations and hopefully taxes in a flat tax way,
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that it pulls these cobwebs and spiders off of the economy,
these things called government regulations and throws it away, that
it stops choosing one winner to another. And in this one, hmmm,
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can you tell me here are some of the business
winners oil and gas companies. Yeah, it mandates new leases
on public lands in federal waters in Alaska and the
Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm reading from the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Notice they didn't say the Gulf of America as well
as in Western states.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
This is good.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Lower royalty rates are reinstated. That's important.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So when.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
An oil and gas company, or a mining company or
a whatever company pulls things out of the ground, whether
it's oil, whether it's gas, whether it's you know, shale,
whether it's coal, whether it's limbdumum, which I actually said correctly. There,
they have to pay royalties to government, both the date.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Often local and federal governments. Now this is good.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's called severance taxes, and those severance taxes are important.
If if the people own this big hunk of land
and government owns way too much land. I don't know
why why the federal government, you know, own two thirds
of Nevada, but they do. And if someone's going to
drill there and sever something from that land, and you
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pay a tax.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But the lower the tax, the more the more can
be done, the lower.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
The cost of our energy and materials. This is important.
That's good. Those fossil fuel companies will do well and
will do well.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'll put that in the wind category.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Ideologically, how about this one?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
This one.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
They qualified small business stock tax exclusion is being expanded.
I have no idea really, what all that means? This
one I disagree with. Remember when Biden said we're going
to bring chip manufacturing back to America, and so they
gave tax credits to build plants here.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Is that good? Is that bad? I think it's bad.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And now this Republican bill gives more special interests tax
credits to semiconductor manufacturers. If a break ground on new plants,
they're going to get a sizeable increase in their tax credit,
increased to thirty five percent from twenty five Terrible, terrible idea.
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Defense contractors will be happy about this bill.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Kindagone.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
We'll budget about one hundred and fifty billion dollars over
five years on big ticket ships, munitions, missile defense systems,
including about a twenty five billion dollar down payment on
the planned Golden Dome anti missile shield because it's trumpet
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has to be called gold.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
A good plan, bad plan, probably good.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The military And when you're at your fights tomorrow, I
mean you're fourth of July picnics and you start hearing
them screaming about how terrible and how much money the
military gets. The military as a percentage of GDP hasn't
been this underfunded in.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I don't know decades.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
In fact, we spend more money on interest on the
national debt than we spend on defense. Defense is a
core governmental function right there in the friggin Constitution. This
is one of the few things government is supposed to
do is built for the common defense, and we don't
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spend all that much.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And for those people who who hate Trump, say, wait
a second.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Trump just got NATO members to start pulling their share
after what sixty seventy years of having America pay most
of their defense.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Huge victory for Trump and America on that one.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
This one is a something that spends a lot of money,
but I think it's worthwhile. Legislation includes twelve and a
half billion dollars to overhaul the nation's air traffic control system.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, I don't think anyone's really gonna bulk at that one.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
For those of us who believe even school choice, taxpayers
can now redirect up to seventeen hundred dollars of their
tax bill to organizations that issue stipends or scholarships to
help students attend private schools. Now, states would have to
opt into the program, which really stinks. Here in Colorado,
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we've got a couple great programs like this to help
poor families put their kids into schools of their choice.
ACE Scholarship here in Denver, down in Colorado Springs parents
challenge these are good organizations that deserve your support. By
the way, that's what I don't quite get. Sports team
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owners verted a potential financial hit after the Senate cut
from its version of the spending bill a provision addressing
deductions for intangible assets.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I don't know what that.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Means to the tangible asset?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Is that imagery? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
The proposal would have limited their ability to deduct costs
like players salaries and media rights deals. Radio stations and
TV stations have to pay sports teams to broadcast their stuff.
It seems like the Rockies should be paying eight to
fifty koa or sister station a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Of money, but sadly it goes the other way.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Let me the one that I think is most disturbing
is is.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
The salt bill.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So as salt is the oh, I forget what salt
stands for, but it's it's the interest you pay on
your home loan. What happens is in high tax areas
you get to deduct a lot of your taxes, property
taxes from your income tax. So you've got Middle America
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subsidizing states that overtax their people. So if you live
in Manhattan and you spend fifty grand a year in
property taxes, under the original twenty sixteen tax cuts, you
could only only deduct ten grand.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I loved that.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
In order to get the Republicans from those states to
sign on, it's now forty thousand dollars a year, they
quadrupled the amount of money you can deduct. This only
bails out high tax states and keeps their addiction going
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in Middle America states, who we get to pay for it?
What a disappointment. And for Ryan, what is Ryan doing?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I don't know. I don't care. He's never nice to me.
I think he's just jealous of my bald head.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Three or three seven one three eight two five five
seven one three talk. I really would like to get
your reaction. This is Trump's legacy, this is Trump's big
legislative victory. Today it will be heading to his desk.
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He'll go, He'll be able to sign it on the
fourth of July with pomp and the circumstance. He'll call
it all sorts of wonderful things. But you know his
former friend Elon Musk is right, it's too much debt.
Let me just see if I can get you a
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picture of this debt. All of us would have to
work for about a year.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And three months.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
We're doing nothing, nothing but giving everything we earned to
the federal government. We wouldn't be able to make a
car payment, we wouldn't be able to feed ourselves, wouldn't
be able to drink a glass of water. We'd have
to do all of that just to get us back
to where we should be.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh, but this is better than that.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
You The amount of debt we have, while awful and
big and bad and all the rest, that doesn't matter
because about double that is what has been promised in
services to us that we can't fund. They call them
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unfunded mandates, Social Secure, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, Veterans' care, all
these things that we have promised to give people in
the future that we have no money for, none, zero, zip, zilch, nana.
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I don't know how to explain this in any way
except to say it is financially unsustainable. It will blow up.
You've got that buddy from high school or college that
just couldn't help. But going into debt, and not good debt,
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not for like buying a house or getting an education,
but because he wanted a big TV and some great
stuff and furniture and a trip here and there. And
before you know it, he's massively in debt. And you
know how how tough that is, all right, So then.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
What do you do with that?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
If he can't pull himself out, he has to go bankrupt.
It is no different with a country. When a country
can no longer pay its bills, it defaults. All those
bonds that was supposed to pay back. Now you're not
getting paid back. All those promises to make sure that
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we take care of you in your old age don't exist.
That social Security check that comes in doesn't come in.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Things go bad.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
We've seen this in country after country. Now there's some
ways to get around it, and you can get around
it a little bit doing what America does, print money
out of nothing. We have a faith based currency, and
that wonderful faith based currency holds until you can no
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longer buy anything with it that it gets devalued so much.
That's what I worry about. That's the biggest problem with
this bill. No bill in history has raised debt this much.
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Even though there are good and bad parts with us.
Let me give you a bad part of this bill
because they put so much in it. There was a
provision in this bill to put a ten year moratorium
later cut to five years on doing what the progressives
in Colorado did, which was try to regulate artificial intelligence
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as if you can. So what we're going to have
is a patchwork of states around the country coming up
with their own limitations on what AI companies can do
and what they can develop.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And what they can't do, and how they do it.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And la da da da da, Because a thing you
really want are a bunch of nimrod state legislators who
can't get their VCR from stopping to flash twelve o'clock
to decide what tech companies should do. He might remember,
if you're old enough, when the Internet started, the federal
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government put a moratorium on regulating the Internet, and because
of that, the Internet grew into what it is now
because companies were willing to invest and they would not
tax the Internet. They said, hands off the Internet. We
don't know what it is. Let it do its thing.
And that's what allowed America to become the leader in
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the Internet. But We're not going to become the leader
in AI because now states can start messing around with it. Colorado,
by the way, passed easily the worst, easily the worst
messing around with AI because of Colorado and our tech
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friendly governor signed it into law and he regrets it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Let's get to the phones.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Three h three seven one three eight two five five.
Let's go down to monument. Good afternoon, Joe, you're with
John Kelner.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
John. Hey, you know, I'm sitting here thinking about this
big gift that we're now going to owe and how
much further we're going to begin get. And at some
point in time, Congress is going to look at all
the private funds held in far one case and iras,
and they're going to realize that's the only liquid asset
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that's out there that they can touch. And I'm afraid
of these guys going, hey, we're going to take that money,
but we're going to give you a government I owe you.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Well, we're going to do is nationalized, spared the death
of it. The Democrats have floated it off and on
over the years, but the Republicans who just voted for
this beast, there's no way to pay for it. You're right, yep,
there is.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
No way to pay for it. Let's keep in mind
last time we had.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
It's a real.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Economic disruption known as a Great Depression. Think of what happened.
FDR came in and stole our gold.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
For people don't know this, it used to be that
the American dollar was backed with gold.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well when FDR and.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Therefore, you could take your twenty dollars bill, go down
to the bank and go to the Federal Reserve, go
and say, excuse me, here's twenty dollars. I'd like an
ounce of gold, and they would throw you a gold call.
I didn't they take your They take your dollar bill,
your your five dollar bill was a silver note.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It said, good for one ounce of gold. I actually
have one of those old notes.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And you go in here, and so you couldn't make
more dollars unless you had more gold. And FDR said,
you know what, nobody gets to keep any more gold.
Oh yeah, you can have a gold wedding ring, but
you cannot have any bullion. You cannot have any gold
for investment purposes. And so we are confiscating it and
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we are buying it.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I think he.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Decided it was going to be at forty dollars an
ounce or something like five.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Dollars an ounce for the longest amount of time.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, thirty five dollars. So the price of gold was
dictated not.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
By a market, but by some president who said today
it will be thirty five dollars and twenty eight cents,
and if you have any you better bring it in
and we'll give you that money. Now, keep in mind,
right now gold is worth over three thousand, three hundred
dollars announce. Could you imagine Trump or Biden or whomever's saying, well,
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you can't hold onto that gold anymore. Bring it in
and we will give you one thousand dollars for it
announce or five hundred dollars an ounce for it. Otherwise
you're a criminal. And that's what you are. Worried that
they're going to do with people's retirement accounts. And you
might well be right. At some point this stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
You have to pay the bills right sooner or.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Later, this is going to happen. The other thing that
might happen is we could we could sell off private land.
The only asset that America the government owns is land.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Really it's got what it's got in Fort Knox.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's got some buildings, it's got a lot of a
lot of hardware, and then a lot of land. Now
why the government owns so much land, I don't know.
Maybe when things get bad, they'll say, you know, all
that land in Nevada, that's just empty desert. It's up
for sale because we need the cash.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Could be how.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
How likely do you think that is the land for
sale or your retirement going my retirement thing.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I think because it's cash and it's there right now,
I'd give it a fifty to fifty chance. John, I
don't like it. I think, like I said, I've heard
it floated amongst Democrats before, back all the way. I
believe the Clinton, but at least Obama. And I'm telling
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you that's where I'm going to rely on my precious
metals that are you know, brass and lead, because when
my government starts taking my stuff like that, and we're
gonna throw the tea in the harbor and throw the
bums out and maybe introduce them to some tarn feathers.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I hope, I hope you're right. Hey, thanks for the call.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Gave it three or three, seven, one, three, eight, two, five,
five seven one three talks. So our last caller is
worried about financial solvency. Today's bill goes in a long,
long way to pushing us towards insolvency. For that, we
should not be happy. We should be very upset about this.
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I know, I am what. There are also some good parts,
good parts, you say, how about this one? The bill
will quickly end subsidies up up to seventy five one
hundred dollars for purchasing, purchasing, or leasing an electric vehicle,
denying the credits for purchases after September thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That means Tesla, Ford, BMW all.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
The rest who are already struggling to sell these things,
I'm gonna have a harder time doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So watch out.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You're going to see people scooping up electric vehicles between
now and September thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So will we go in July August?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
We've got ninety days if you want to have that
subsidy from the feds. Now, states can still have their
state subsidy. Colorado has THEIRS. I don't know why they
have it. It's a bad idea. And that's a perfect
example by the way of the left, choosing winners and
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losers in the economy. If electric cars are so wonderful
and there's a lot of advantages of an electric car,
you don't need, you don't need to force them down
people's throats. Let me explain something that people don't quite
get about electric vehicles.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Why is Tesla such a big company?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Where does Tesla make most of its money, even though
it's struggling to sell cars.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Where does it make its money?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Well, certainly, it gets tax credits when it builds cars.
It gets tax credits when it sells cars. You get
tax credits when you buy their car. Seventy five hundred
dollars from the Feds, twenty five hundred dollars from the
state here in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Ridiculous stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
But that's not where they make their money. Get this,
They make their money selling credits. When companies like Ford
make a fleet of automobiles, their fleet have to average
x amount of pllutants tailpipe admissions.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
If it goes over that, they've got to.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Buy tailpipe emissions credits from their competitors. Well, which company
has absolutely no emissions, no tailpipes at all?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Tesla.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Tesla makes its money, because when you buy a four
to one fifty, you have to pay an extra ten
grand because they take that money and give it to
Tesla for this shell game that is nothing but regulations.
Tesla exists purely from regulation. Give me a call three
oh three seven one three eight two five five. What
do you think about the one big beautiful bill? Is
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it evil as it beautiful? I'm John Caldera and for Ryan,
give me a call three oh three seven one three
eight to two five five keep it here six point
thirty k How Colin stay with us? I'm John Caldera
and for Ryan Shuling.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Let's talk to Colin. Colin, welcome, glad to have you on.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Kay Hew he Hello, Hey, thanks for taking my call. Now,
I know, I just want to say I think the
solution is fairly simple and straightforward. You know, we've become
an oligarchy and we're you know, for the past six months,
we've been sending millions and billions of dollars to American corporations,
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hopefully their American corporations, instead of you know, paying our bills.
And we just need to return to Reagan Air at
tax rates and stop sending so much money to the
corporations and spending it more respectfully, and that that would
be a really good part.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Well, spending it more respectfully is up for interpretation. I
know that what you don't tax, you don't usually spend,
although with debt you can.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Hey, thanks for the call, Colin. Let's take a quick breathe.
Let's keep playing with this when we return. I want
to know what you think of this one big, beautiful
build now that it's out.
Ryan Nouasta Key.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm John Caldera, thrilled to be with you from the
day before fourth of July. What a great time to
talk about America. Talk about all the rest, but let's
dive into what has just happened in DC.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
This is big, what a huge victory for Trump.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It is called a triumph for Republicans. House narrowly passed
the Republicans sprawling tax and overspending Bill two hundred and
eighteen to two hundred and fourteen, delivering a major second
term victory for President Trump. We got a lot to
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go in over this, but let's be clear, this is
a huge victory for Trump. It will likely be his
only legislative victory. I don't know if the idea of
taking so many issues and putting them into one big
bill was brilliant or stupid Politically. There is so very
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much to hate about this bill. There is so much
to like about this bill. If you were a Republican
and this big, steaming pile of bill was on your
desk and you had to either give it a thumbs
up or thumbs down, and it was all up to you,
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I'd probably have to give it a thumbs up and
vote for it. But man, is it bad. It's good
in many ways. Most importantly, it makes permanent the Trump
tax code from Trump one point zero.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Now, that had to happen. It had to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And if that was on its own, if that was
the only thing in a bill, it would pass. Even
Democrats don't want that to expire because they don't want
the largest tax increase in American history to be on
their watch. They don't want to be the ones who said, no,
we voted against that, and that's why your taxes have
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gone skyrocketing. That said, oh god, do I hate how
the media and stupid people lap up the talking points
from the left that this was a bill for their wealthy. No, no,
it's a tax bill for everyone, absolutely everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That's that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's not like the wealthy got a bigger tax cut.
We all got the same tax cut. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And then to say this guts medicaid.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Hardly, hardly, when in Americamerican history is.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Requiring some type of employment.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Ripping apart a welfare project. All this does for both
SNAP which we used to call food stamps and Medicaid
is it adds a tiny work requirement for those able
bodied people, not people in the wheels chairs, not the
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developmentally disabled, not the people that Medicaid was actually made for,
but for poor people. And as long as they're working
to get a job, as long as they're doing something,
they get a huge benefit. I think most Americans want
to see a work requirement. Most Americans want to see
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people having to invest in their own lives before we
give them unlike limited welfare. So when you hear and
you're gonna hear it all day, you gotta hear it
all over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
The biggest guts.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
To foodstance, the biggest gut to miticate out the health
of the nation.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Is at rest. No, it's crap, absolute crap.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And when you're act your at the fourth of July
picnic tomorrow and your relatives are like, oh, that's Trump,
you did it. No, No, that's that's not what happened.
That is not what happened. So calmly tell them the
truth and then watch them squiggle around and get angry
about something else, because that's the way it has to be.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They gotta get angry yet something else.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
This is the largest debt increase from a single bit
of legislation.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
That's what like a and a.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Half trillion dollar debt package. You know, there was a
time when Republicans used to say they were the party
of restraint, fiscal restraint.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I don't see that much anymore, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Think people understand just how devastating this time bomb of
debt is. And if there was ever proof that it's
not Democrats that caused this bomb, that it wasn't Republicans
that caused this bomb, but all politicians who've caused this
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cataclysmic time bomb which could blow up.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't know, maybe in.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Ten years, maybe in twenty years, I don't know, but
it is unsustainable. It will devastate the country and perhaps
the world. And when nations go bank wars breakout, don't
be surprised.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So in World War Two, when we were fighting.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
A massive global battle, when fascism was on the march,
the federal government went into debt, an amazing amount of debt,
about one hundred percent of GDP, that is how much
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is created by our economy in a whole year. We
quickly put that onto the credit card. After the war,
we dropped that down as a percentage of GDP got
down to about fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I think at one point even less than that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The only time we weren't running deficits in modern times
was a few years under Bill Clinton. And before you
guys get all huffy as a Democrat and so it's
a Democratic victory. No, no, it was because we had
a Republican Congress and split government off. It split government
works the best, and it kept We ran a surplus,
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not in the debt package, but in those years, mostly
from welfare reform, welfare reform which Republicans pushed, and try,
excuse me, Clinton vetoed two times and then finally signed
it and.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Took credit for this great thing that he did. Well,
it was a great thing.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It evolved welfare to the states. The Feds gave the
states some money. The state said, here, you figure it out.
It's a block grant. And we had fifty different states
running fifty different programs and they all check each other
and see which one works best. And over time, lo
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and behold those with work requirements, those who said, yeah,
well we'll give you welfare, but you've got to show
that you're at least trying to find a job. Even
just trying to find a job, not accepting a job
scared so many people off of welfare. We saved gobs
of money. I think the same thing should happen in
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other places. All right, so let's let's talk about some
of the big the winners and the losers, and by
all means, give me a call on this and tell
me what you think. Was this a victory? Was this
a shame? And the answer is yes, it's a victory
and it's a loss. This is a terrible bill and
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it shows you just how ugly the sausage making that
is lawmaking is. Three or three seven, three eight, two
five five seven to one three talk. I'd love to
hear from you. Let me lay this out as a premise.
One of the things that those of us who believe
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in free markets I believe government should uphold to a
principle is that government should not choose winners and losers
in the economy. That the government needs to play the
role of referee. The government needs to uphold that promise
of the Declaration of Independence, that we're all created equal,
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that government serves us the same way, that laws apply
equally to all of us. What drives me crazy about
the left and now growing more on the right, is
the casualness people have a saying, Oh, well, I want
this outcome. We ought to have taxes for that. Oh
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I want that outcome. We should outlaw that book behavior.
Oh I want this outcome. So let's just mess with
the economy. Oh I hate corporations, but let's have public
private partnerships running government run grocery stores.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
In New York City.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I mean the casualness that they say, oh, these guys
should win, those guys should lose.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So when I look at something like Trump's big Beautiful bill,
I think it's something that says, if it's beautiful, it
gets government out of choosing winners and losers. If it's beautiful,
it lowers regulations and hopefully taxes in a flat tax way,
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that it pulls these cobwebs and spiders off of the economy,
these things called government regulations and throws it away, that
it stops choosing one winner to another. And in this one, hmmm,
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can you tell me here are some of the business
winners oil and gas companies. Yeah, it mandates new leases
on public lands in federal waters in Alaska and the
Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm reading from the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Notice they didn't say the Gulf of America as well
as in Western states.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
This is good.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Lower royalty rates are reinstated. That's important.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So when.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
An oil and gas company, or a mining company or
a whatever company pulls things out of the ground, whether
it's oil, whether it's gas, whether it's you know, shale,
whether it's coal, whether it's limbdumum, which I actually said correctly. There,
they have to pay royalties to government, both the date.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Often local and federal governments. Now this is good.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's called severance taxes, and those severance taxes are important.
If if the people own this big hunk of land
and government owns way too much land. I don't know
why why the federal government, you know, own two thirds
of Nevada, but they do. And if someone's going to
drill there and sever something from that land, and you
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pay a tax.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But the lower the tax, the more the more can
be done, the lower.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
The cost of our energy and materials. This is important.
That's good. Those fossil fuel companies will do well and
will do well.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'll put that in the wind category.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Ideologically, how about this one?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
This one.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
They qualified small business stock tax exclusion is being expanded.
I have no idea really, what all that means? This
one I disagree with. Remember when Biden said we're going
to bring chip manufacturing back to America, and so they
gave tax credits to build plants here.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Is that good? Is that bad? I think it's bad.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And now this Republican bill gives more special interests tax
credits to semiconductor manufacturers. If a break ground on new plants,
they're going to get a sizeable increase in their tax credit,
increased to thirty five percent from twenty five Terrible, terrible idea.
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Defense contractors will be happy about this bill.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Kindagone.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
We'll budget about one hundred and fifty billion dollars over
five years on big ticket ships, munitions, missile defense systems,
including about a twenty five billion dollar down payment on
the planned Golden Dome anti missile shield because it's trumpet
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has to be called gold.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
A good plan, bad plan, probably good.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The military And when you're at your fights tomorrow, I
mean you're fourth of July picnics and you start hearing
them screaming about how terrible and how much money the
military gets. The military as a percentage of GDP hasn't
been this underfunded in.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I don't know decades.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
In fact, we spend more money on interest on the
national debt than we spend on defense. Defense is a
core governmental function right there in the friggin Constitution. This
is one of the few things government is supposed to
do is built for the common defense, and we don't
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spend all that much.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And for those people who who hate Trump, say, wait
a second.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Trump just got NATO members to start pulling their share
after what sixty seventy years of having America pay most
of their defense.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Huge victory for Trump and America on that one.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
This one is a something that spends a lot of money,
but I think it's worthwhile. Legislation includes twelve and a
half billion dollars to overhaul the nation's air traffic control system.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, I don't think anyone's really gonna bulk at that one.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
For those of us who believe even school choice, taxpayers
can now redirect up to seventeen hundred dollars of their
tax bill to organizations that issue stipends or scholarships to
help students attend private schools. Now, states would have to
opt into the program, which really stinks. Here in Colorado,
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we've got a couple great programs like this to help
poor families put their kids into schools of their choice.
ACE Scholarship here in Denver, down in Colorado Springs parents
challenge these are good organizations that deserve your support. By
the way, that's what I don't quite get. Sports team
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owners verted a potential financial hit after the Senate cut
from its version of the spending bill a provision addressing
deductions for intangible assets.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I don't know what that.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Means to the tangible asset?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Is that imagery? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
The proposal would have limited their ability to deduct costs
like players salaries and media rights deals. Radio stations and
TV stations have to pay sports teams to broadcast their stuff.
It seems like the Rockies should be paying eight to
fifty koa or sister station a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Of money, but sadly it goes the other way.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Let me the one that I think is most disturbing
is is.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
The salt bill.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So as salt is the oh, I forget what salt
stands for, but it's it's the interest you pay on
your home loan. What happens is in high tax areas
you get to deduct a lot of your taxes, property
taxes from your income tax. So you've got Middle America
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subsidizing states that overtax their people. So if you live
in Manhattan and you spend fifty grand a year in
property taxes, under the original twenty sixteen tax cuts, you
could only only deduct ten grand.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I loved that.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
In order to get the Republicans from those states to
sign on, it's now forty thousand dollars a year, they
quadrupled the amount of money you can deduct. This only
bails out high tax states and keeps their addiction going
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in Middle America states, who we get to pay for it?
What a disappointment. And for Ryan, what is Ryan doing?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I don't know. I don't care. He's never nice to me.
I think he's just jealous of my bald head.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Three or three seven one three eight two five five
seven one three talk. I really would like to get
your reaction. This is Trump's legacy, this is Trump's big
legislative victory. Today it will be heading to his desk.
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He'll go, He'll be able to sign it on the
fourth of July with pomp and the circumstance. He'll call
it all sorts of wonderful things. But you know his
former friend Elon Musk is right, it's too much debt.
Let me just see if I can get you a
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picture of this debt. All of us would have to
work for about a year.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And three months.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
We're doing nothing, nothing but giving everything we earned to
the federal government. We wouldn't be able to make a
car payment, we wouldn't be able to feed ourselves, wouldn't
be able to drink a glass of water. We'd have
to do all of that just to get us back
to where we should be.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh, but this is better than that.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
You The amount of debt we have, while awful and
big and bad and all the rest, that doesn't matter
because about double that is what has been promised in
services to us that we can't fund. They call them
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unfunded mandates, Social Secure, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, Veterans' care, all
these things that we have promised to give people in
the future that we have no money for, none, zero, zip, zilch, nana.
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I don't know how to explain this in any way
except to say it is financially unsustainable. It will blow up.
You've got that buddy from high school or college that
just couldn't help. But going into debt, and not good debt,
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not for like buying a house or getting an education,
but because he wanted a big TV and some great
stuff and furniture and a trip here and there. And
before you know it, he's massively in debt. And you
know how how tough that is, all right, So then.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
What do you do with that?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
If he can't pull himself out, he has to go bankrupt.
It is no different with a country. When a country
can no longer pay its bills, it defaults. All those
bonds that was supposed to pay back. Now you're not
getting paid back. All those promises to make sure that
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we take care of you in your old age don't exist.
That social Security check that comes in doesn't come in.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Things go bad.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
We've seen this in country after country. Now there's some
ways to get around it, and you can get around
it a little bit doing what America does, print money
out of nothing. We have a faith based currency, and
that wonderful faith based currency holds until you can no
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longer buy anything with it that it gets devalued so much.
That's what I worry about. That's the biggest problem with
this bill. No bill in history has raised debt this much.
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Even though there are good and bad parts with us.
Let me give you a bad part of this bill
because they put so much in it. There was a
provision in this bill to put a ten year moratorium
later cut to five years on doing what the progressives
in Colorado did, which was try to regulate artificial intelligence
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as if you can. So what we're going to have
is a patchwork of states around the country coming up
with their own limitations on what AI companies can do
and what they can develop.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And what they can't do, and how they do it.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And la da da da da, Because a thing you
really want are a bunch of nimrod state legislators who
can't get their VCR from stopping to flash twelve o'clock
to decide what tech companies should do. He might remember,
if you're old enough, when the Internet started, the federal
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government put a moratorium on regulating the Internet, and because
of that, the Internet grew into what it is now
because companies were willing to invest and they would not
tax the Internet. They said, hands off the Internet. We
don't know what it is. Let it do its thing.
And that's what allowed America to become the leader in
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the Internet. But We're not going to become the leader
in AI because now states can start messing around with it. Colorado,
by the way, passed easily the worst, easily the worst
messing around with AI because of Colorado and our tech
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friendly governor signed it into law and he regrets it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Let's get to the phones.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Three h three seven one three eight two five five.
Let's go down to monument. Good afternoon, Joe, you're with
John Kelner.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
John. Hey, you know, I'm sitting here thinking about this
big gift that we're now going to owe and how
much further we're going to begin get. And at some
point in time, Congress is going to look at all
the private funds held in far one case and iras,
and they're going to realize that's the only liquid asset
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that's out there that they can touch. And I'm afraid
of these guys going, hey, we're going to take that money,
but we're going to give you a government I owe you.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Well, we're going to do is nationalized, spared the death
of it. The Democrats have floated it off and on
over the years, but the Republicans who just voted for
this beast, there's no way to pay for it. You're right, yep,
there is.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
No way to pay for it. Let's keep in mind
last time we had.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
It's a real.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Economic disruption known as a Great Depression. Think of what happened.
FDR came in and stole our gold.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
For people don't know this, it used to be that
the American dollar was backed with gold.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well when FDR and.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Therefore, you could take your twenty dollars bill, go down
to the bank and go to the Federal Reserve, go
and say, excuse me, here's twenty dollars. I'd like an
ounce of gold, and they would throw you a gold call.
I didn't they take your They take your dollar bill,
your your five dollar bill was a silver note.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It said, good for one ounce of gold. I actually
have one of those old notes.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And you go in here, and so you couldn't make
more dollars unless you had more gold. And FDR said,
you know what, nobody gets to keep any more gold.
Oh yeah, you can have a gold wedding ring, but
you cannot have any bullion. You cannot have any gold
for investment purposes. And so we are confiscating it and
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we are buying it.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I think he.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Decided it was going to be at forty dollars an
ounce or something like five.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Dollars an ounce for the longest amount of time.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, thirty five dollars. So the price of gold was
dictated not.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
By a market, but by some president who said today
it will be thirty five dollars and twenty eight cents,
and if you have any you better bring it in
and we'll give you that money. Now, keep in mind,
right now gold is worth over three thousand, three hundred
dollars announce. Could you imagine Trump or Biden or whomever's saying, well,
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you can't hold onto that gold anymore. Bring it in
and we will give you one thousand dollars for it
announce or five hundred dollars an ounce for it. Otherwise
you're a criminal. And that's what you are. Worried that
they're going to do with people's retirement accounts. And you
might well be right. At some point this stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
You have to pay the bills right sooner or.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Later, this is going to happen. The other thing that
might happen is we could we could sell off private land.
The only asset that America the government owns is land.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Really it's got what it's got in Fort Knox.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's got some buildings, it's got a lot of a
lot of hardware, and then a lot of land. Now
why the government owns so much land, I don't know.
Maybe when things get bad, they'll say, you know, all
that land in Nevada, that's just empty desert. It's up
for sale because we need the cash.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Could be how.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
How likely do you think that is the land for
sale or your retirement going my retirement thing.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I think because it's cash and it's there right now,
I'd give it a fifty to fifty chance. John, I
don't like it. I think, like I said, I've heard
it floated amongst Democrats before, back all the way. I
believe the Clinton, but at least Obama. And I'm telling
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you that's where I'm going to rely on my precious
metals that are you know, brass and lead, because when
my government starts taking my stuff like that, and we're
gonna throw the tea in the harbor and throw the
bums out and maybe introduce them to some tarn feathers.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I hope, I hope you're right. Hey, thanks for the call.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Gave it three or three, seven, one, three, eight, two, five,
five seven one three talks. So our last caller is
worried about financial solvency. Today's bill goes in a long,
long way to pushing us towards insolvency. For that, we
should not be happy. We should be very upset about this.
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I know, I am what. There are also some good parts,
good parts, you say, how about this one? The bill
will quickly end subsidies up up to seventy five one
hundred dollars for purchasing, purchasing, or leasing an electric vehicle,
denying the credits for purchases after September thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That means Tesla, Ford, BMW all.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
The rest who are already struggling to sell these things,
I'm gonna have a harder time doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So watch out.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You're going to see people scooping up electric vehicles between
now and September thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So will we go in July August?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
We've got ninety days if you want to have that
subsidy from the feds. Now, states can still have their
state subsidy. Colorado has THEIRS. I don't know why they
have it. It's a bad idea. And that's a perfect
example by the way of the left, choosing winners and
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losers in the economy. If electric cars are so wonderful
and there's a lot of advantages of an electric car,
you don't need, you don't need to force them down
people's throats. Let me explain something that people don't quite
get about electric vehicles.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Why is Tesla such a big company?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Where does Tesla make most of its money, even though
it's struggling to sell cars.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Where does it make its money?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Well, certainly, it gets tax credits when it builds cars.
It gets tax credits when it sells cars. You get
tax credits when you buy their car. Seventy five hundred
dollars from the Feds, twenty five hundred dollars from the
state here in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Ridiculous stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
But that's not where they make their money. Get this,
They make their money selling credits. When companies like Ford
make a fleet of automobiles, their fleet have to average
x amount of pllutants tailpipe admissions.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
If it goes over that, they've got to.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Buy tailpipe emissions credits from their competitors. Well, which company
has absolutely no emissions, no tailpipes at all?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Tesla.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Tesla makes its money, because when you buy a four
to one fifty, you have to pay an extra ten
grand because they take that money and give it to
Tesla for this shell game that is nothing but regulations.
Tesla exists purely from regulation. Give me a call three
oh three seven one three eight two five five. What
do you think about the one big beautiful bill? Is
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it evil as it beautiful? I'm John Caldera and for Ryan,
give me a call three oh three seven one three
eight to two five five keep it here six point
thirty k How Colin stay with us? I'm John Caldera
and for Ryan Shuling.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Let's talk to Colin. Colin, welcome, glad to have you on.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Kay Hew he Hello, Hey, thanks for taking my call. Now,
I know, I just want to say I think the
solution is fairly simple and straightforward. You know, we've become
an oligarchy and we're you know, for the past six months,
we've been sending millions and billions of dollars to American corporations,
(34:19):
hopefully their American corporations, instead of you know, paying our bills.
And we just need to return to Reagan Air at
tax rates and stop sending so much money to the
corporations and spending it more respectfully, and that that would
be a really good part.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Well, spending it more respectfully is up for interpretation. I
know that what you don't tax, you don't usually spend,
although with debt you can.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Hey, thanks for the call, Colin. Let's take a quick breathe.
Let's keep playing with this when we return. I want
to know what you think of this one big, beautiful
build now that it's out.
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