December 11, 2025 • 37 mins
Justin Spiro, host of the Spiro Avenue podcast, joins Ryan with the very latest reporting on a most bizarre story coming out of Ann Arbor, where Michigan head football coach Sherrone Moore was fired for having an inappropriate relationship with a female staffer - then proceeded to break into her residence and threaten to kill her as well as himself.
Having won ten straight games, and ten in a row at home, the Denver Broncos are in a position no other NFL team in history has ever been in - underdogs at home after such a stretch. The Green Bay Packers are 2.5 point favorites at Mile High this Sunday. Ryan explains why that might be the case.
Having won ten straight games, and ten in a row at home, the Denver Broncos are in a position no other NFL team in history has ever been in - underdogs at home after such a stretch. The Green Bay Packers are 2.5 point favorites at Mile High this Sunday. Ryan explains why that might be the case.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We started breaking news in college football. Michigan has fired
head football coach Charon Moore for cause. The school said
that an investigation found that Moore had inappropriate relationship and
inappropriate relationship with a staff member. Moore had been suspended
for three games and given.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
A two year show cause order for his part in
the school's scouting and signed stealing scandal just a few
years ago. Senior college football writer Pete famills all over
the story and joins us, now, what details do you
have about this investigation at which led.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
To this firing.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, Kevin, this is something that's been percolating at Michigan
for the last couple of weeks. There was an initial
flurry of speculation in an early investigation that died down
toward the end of the regular season. There had been
a lot of uneasiness on the Michigan staff. Sources had
told me Sharon Moore had been acting strange, but rating
assistant coaches not acting in a normal way. Things had
quiet within the last couple of weeks and obviously percolated
(00:55):
back up within the last week. And look, I've been
around this for a long time. It is rare that
you get a statement like the one Michigan had being
as explicit as they are saying it was an inappropriate
relationship with a staff member that led to Sharon Morris firing.
He would have been owed Kevin more than twelve million
dollars on the three years remaining on his initial contract.
(01:17):
Michigan will not pay him that money as they're firing
for Copts all right.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
More was the team's former offensive coordinator, was promoted to
the top job after Jim Harball left following the twenty
twenty three national championship. They're getting ready for a bowl
game against Texas and the Citrus Bowl. What's going to
be the next move here for Michigan, especially after's so
many top jobs have been filled around.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The country, Absolutely Kevin, and so many extensions have been
given around the country too for the coaches who didn't
go to the top jobs. Look, Michigan is still a
premier job in college football, and they are going to
have a good pool.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
They're going to have to act quickly.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Obviously, the portal opens on January tewod you need to
not only have a coaching place by then, but some
semblance of a staff as well. They'd be unlikely to
go after any playoff coaches. It's too much risk reward
if a coach wins coach loses. Obviously, Calin de Boorr
has been bandied around on the old X Machine as
one of the top candidates. He's Alabama's head coach. That
would appear to be unlikely from a timing perspective, But
(02:13):
names like Jeff Brahm, names like Eli Drinkwitz, former Michigan coordinator,
Jed Fish, former Michigan coordinator Jesse Minter, maybe even Clark
Lee or a few of the names that will likely
come into focus here at Michigan. Expect them to move
quickly as the calendar demands it, and.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
The interim head coach will be Biff Pogy Right now
part of that stat p famill joining us on the
breaking news that Michigan has fired head coach Sharon Moore
tonight and just.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The tip of the iceberg as it would appear back
in my home state of Michigan. As the turmoil over
these last twenty four hours or so continues to grow,
we know that Sharon Maher is out at Michigan. The
thought that they would poach a coach from Alabama is
foolishness in my view, as a Michigan State fans. Makes
(03:00):
a lot of sense, but that's just the x's and
o's of it. You back up a step now and
why Sharon Moore was let go? This from CBS Detroit.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
We begin tonight with breaking news. CBS News Detroit.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Has learned that right now, former University of Michigan football
coach Sharon Moore is being held in the Washtonac County jail.
Thanks for joining us at eleven.
Speaker 8 (03:22):
I'm Shana Humphrey and I'm Terrence Friday. This shocking twist
came just hours after Michigan fired More for having an
inappropriate relationship with a member of his staff. We have
team coverage tonight. CBS News Detroit sports reporter Matt Finkel
takes a look at Moore's career at Michigan and what's next.
But let's begin with CBS News Detroit's Heath cow He's
live in Pittsfell Township with the latest and reaction from
(03:45):
Michigan's campus.
Speaker 9 (03:46):
Eighth Yeah, Terran, Sharon Moore being fired is huge news
in itself, with the football coach being detained, was truly shocked,
and we have confirmed as of this evening that he
is being held at Washtnock County Jail. Now Sharon Moore.
We asked the Pittsfield Police earlier if they had any
other details for us. Just about thirty minutes ago, they
(04:07):
sent me, along with other reporters following the news surrounding
Sean Moore, a statement regarding a suspect that was involved
in an incident near the three thousand block of Saline
Road in Pittsfield Township just after four pm today. That
does not appear to be random in nature, and there
appears to be no ongoing threat to the community now
at this time, the investigation is ongoing. It was just
before five o'clock this afternoon when Michigan Athletic Durator when
(04:30):
the Michigan Athletic Director released a statement saying quote U
of head football coach Sharon Moore has been terminated with cause,
effective immediately, following a university investigation. Credible evidence was found
that coach More engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a
staff member. This conduct constitutes a clear violation of university policy,
(04:51):
and U of M maintains zero tolerance for such behavior.
Speaker 10 (04:55):
Now.
Speaker 9 (04:55):
According to CBS Sports, the investigation into Sharon Moore had
been going on for weeks. This announcement that Moore is
now out as head coach at Michigan has been a
total shock in ann Arbor, especially after rumors started to
spread on campus and throughout the country about Moore's alleged arrest.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I did not hear about the arrest. I only heard
about the firing.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
I heard there was like some allegations, but like I
don't know, I mean, it was literally like a shockwave
through like all my friend groups, like it was definitely
something to be heard.
Speaker 11 (05:22):
It's like that cannot be real. Like obviously everyone's heard
the rumors, but I didn't think it would actually come
to fruition. And then everything else came out, and it's
just shotgun to see, like this got to figure figure
ahead of your program.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's just not a good look.
Speaker 11 (05:37):
Not something you want to see as Michigan fan. You know,
it's pretty surprising, you know, not expecting your coach to
be doing those kinds of things.
Speaker 12 (05:45):
But hopefully we'll have a new great coach coming in soon.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Now.
Speaker 9 (05:50):
Michigan football is slated to play the University of Texas
on December thirty first in the Citrus Bowl. But I
could tell you the Citrus Bowl is not the talk
of the town right now in Arbor. So what we
know right now is that the former head coach of
the University of Michigan football team, Tromore, is being held
at the Washington County Jail until a pending review of
(06:12):
charges by the Washingtawk County Prosecutor. We'll be sure to
report on any updates when more information becomes available. For
now reporting here in Pittsfield, Charter Township, Heath called CBS
News Detroit, what.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The hell is going on in ann Arbor.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
This is the city where I was born and the
University of Michigan now in complete turmoil with regard to
their head coaching situation on the football front. Joining me
now my good friend Justin Spiroll. You can follow him
on x at Darko State News. He is host of
the Spirou Avenue Show and he joined us now in
six point thirty kW Justin, Thanks for your time.
Speaker 10 (06:46):
Oh my pleasure.
Speaker 13 (06:47):
Ryan, anything for you, and you know we miss you
here in Michigan. Although I must say I think you're
in America's most beautiful city in Denver.
Speaker 10 (06:54):
I'm envious in that regard. So it is good to
hear from you.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Now, justin we heard the news replat towards there from
ESPN and then locally CBS Detroit. Are there any details
you can help paint in? I know a lot of
this is ranked speculation. I'm seeing some really disturbing details
online that have yet not been confirmed at least as
I know it. What more can you tell us in
addition to what we just heard.
Speaker 13 (07:18):
Yeah, Well, for one, the timing of this is interesting,
and you know the timeline has been placed at multiple weeks.
About Michigan's awareness of this, well, I've been talking about
this since August. August fifteenth was the first mention I've
made of this percolating.
Speaker 10 (07:35):
To use piece.
Speaker 13 (07:35):
Handles word, yeah, and I'll put it put ittly. I'm
not getting this from Michigan state sources or Ohio state sources.
So if if I know this, it's from Michigan people, right,
And that was back in August. So this whole idea
that there have been issues that you're own more in
this way has only been for a few weeks is
(07:57):
just objectively false. And anyone can look at my reporting
on it in the timestance of that. So this has
been kind of in the ether for much longer, and
it really I don't even think I was the first
on it internally in the Michigan side. I think they
were aware of it even longer ago than that. And
there's a whole other component here too, Ryan, and that's
(08:18):
I've reported this yesterday and I'm the first one to
report it.
Speaker 10 (08:21):
But this is going to continue to come out.
Speaker 13 (08:23):
Where sharl Moore was contacting multiple multiple women trying to
set up effectively rendezvous, dinner dates.
Speaker 10 (08:33):
Things of that nature.
Speaker 13 (08:35):
And it was not as explicit as just coming right
out and propositioning anything inappropriate, but it was what I
would argue would be like a grooming setup. And the
University of Michigan is aware of these correspondences as well,
and those played into their decision to say enough enough.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
Now.
Speaker 13 (08:55):
The interesting thing, Ryan, is do they pushed the envelope
on this investigation if they beat Ohio State a couple
of weeks ago. I was arguing in real time, I
don't think they do, and there's Michigan people that don't
believe that they do. It's not that they concocted anything.
Speaker 10 (09:15):
This is true.
Speaker 13 (09:16):
What they are alleging happened did occur. But their enthusiasm
for finding it was increased by their lack of success,
by their expectations on the field, and I think that
is interesting. I'm happy to get into a little bit
of the details with the arrest, but I will say
some of the stuff going around is not true. Here's
(09:39):
what I do know and what I can report firmly,
and I already have reported. Shroan Moore shortly after he
was terminated, went to the staffer whom he had an
affair with, Paide Scheiver's house. Now there's disputes about what
happened there, what he was doing there. I'm not going
(10:01):
to get into that. I can say some of what's
out there is mostly true, some of it is not.
But what I can say for a fact is that
shortly after the firing he went to his mistress's house,
and that in and of itself.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
Is noteworthy and newsworthy.
Speaker 13 (10:19):
And whatever happened there went to his ultimate arrest, which
is also a fact. So from there, let's just let
that sort out. I can't wait to see the body
camp footage.
Speaker 10 (10:28):
I hope that comes out.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Oh wow, Yes, Justin Spirou a our guest Darko State
News on X he is host of the Spireau Avenue Show,
and his reporting, as he mentioned, was on the forefront
of this many weeks ago. That's an interesting detail to me,
justin because it goes to our cynical side, you and
me as Michigan State fans, as to whether or not
Michigan is truly the institution it purports it claims to
(10:51):
be with integrity. You know, a Michigan man that whole label,
the pride that they had during the Jim Harbaugh years,
which was well earned. But now, Sharon or In, these
details that keep coming out. Now I look back at
Michigan and the details that you revealed about how this
was handled and more importantly, the timeline in which it
was handled or not handled, and it always goes back
(11:12):
to the same axiom justin that is, you want to
get in front of a story when you know a
bad story is coming.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
This is just pr one, oh one.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
And yet Michigan seemed to be willing to wait until
whether or not they beat Ohio State and then maybe
Cheron Moore could have weathered this storm.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Let's just play that out.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
If Michigan had beaten Ohio State and these facts play
out just as we see does Charon Moore still get.
Speaker 13 (11:37):
Fired, And there's it's impossible to say for sure, you know,
that's like you're going to an alternate universe. But what
I can say, because I've talked to multiple sources up there,
is that the enthusiasm for the investigation stirred up, even
especially after the Ohio State lost.
Speaker 10 (11:55):
But really it was, you know, they almost lost to
an awful Purdue team.
Speaker 13 (11:59):
What they were seen throughout the course of the year,
they had already lost to the only two good teams
they had played.
Speaker 10 (12:04):
For example, even before the Olyow.
Speaker 13 (12:05):
State game made it three or three, their enthusiasm for
digging into this was increased. And the key thing here
is there's no allegation throughout this solicit affair of anything
non consensual. You know, even like in the Brenda Tracy example,
which is a civil matter, not a criminal matter. With
mel Tucker at Michigan State, it's there was no even
(12:26):
alleged contact or alleged crime, but there was an allegation
of unwanted advances in the form of sexual harassment. That's
not what's happening here. The Paige Scheiber at no point
accused sure own more privately or publicly of anything untoward.
This was a fully consensual relationship, so there's there's less
(12:47):
need if you're in Michigan and you want to you know,
I hesitate to use the term cover it up, but
if you're less interested in uncovering it, you know there's
no victim here, and there you can you can talk
yourself into that there's no one a choosing something of
wrong doing, even though it is a clear case of
doing so. So yeah, I don't there's no way to
(13:08):
say for sure. I suspect he is still the coach
right now if they beat Ohio State and they're in
the cause of bumplayoffs, and that's an informed gas, but
you know, we don't.
Speaker 10 (13:18):
Know for sure.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Well, justin Spirol Darko State News, joining us from my
home state of Michigan, where this story has made national news.
You're own more out as head coach of the Wolverines.
You touched on it justin Michigan. State had a comparable
scandal not that long ago with mel Tucker, and.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It just kind of goes back to the same theme.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I know here in Colorado, Dion Sanders, he's a big personality,
but came up short this year with a three and
nine record, yet there are not these off the field concerns.
And it just boggles the mind to think of the
money that mel Tucker was willing to throw away by
risking it all in whatever interaction he had with Brenda Tracy,
who ironically was on campus to give a presentation about
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football players being aware of sexually harassing or assaulting women.
And then Tucker gets into this back and forth communication.
However it's defined with this, Brenda Tracy cost him his job,
Michigan State able to fire him for cause. And here's
Sharon more same thing, throwing money away. This is a
married father of four, He had the world was his oyster.
(14:25):
He had the tiger by the tails.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So to speak.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
He was head coach at Michigan, and yet he was
willing to risk it all and throw it all away.
I can't get my head around it.
Speaker 13 (14:34):
So it's so ridiculous. And mel Tucker case, from a
purely financial standpoint, is worse in terms of what was squandered.
Mel Tucker had just a shy of eighty two million
dollars remaining on his contract. Sharona has twelve. So I
mean Miltucker's mistake are error in character or whatever is
a seventy million dollar worse mistake. But in terms of
(14:55):
the scandal, I mean, really there are a lot of similarities.
The University of Mi Michigan. It's involving a staffer relationship,
which is of course violet of the Moral Turpitude clause
violated of their labor contracts, et cetera. You know, you
can't have a relationship with a staffer or certainly not
your direct subordinate. And you know, the Michigan State case,
(15:16):
it was not a staffer, but it was a university vendor.
Speaker 10 (15:18):
So you're you're.
Speaker 13 (15:19):
Basically fishing in two ponds that you can't fish from me.
I mean, that's really the case. And there's some similarities there,
you know, again, also some differences, but just a complete waste.
And I mean you mentioned earlier, you know, you're starting
to wonder about, oh, it is Michigan all they purported
to be as an institution, the Michigan man et cetera.
I would argue this was squandered long before that. They
(15:40):
had the largest on field cheating scandal in history. Showing
more marks. The seventh football staffer arrested since Jim Harbaugh
arrived in the twenty fifteen season seven staffers arrested. I
don't know what Denver's you know stats are for the
like for the.
Speaker 10 (15:56):
Bus for Colorado.
Speaker 13 (15:58):
I'll tell you Michigan State has had zero staffers arrested
in that timeframe, so they have a seven zero lead
in staffer arrests.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
In the in state rivalry.
Speaker 13 (16:07):
It is not normal to have seven staffers arrested, one
of whom is a head coach.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
So it's really this has.
Speaker 13 (16:15):
Been going on for a long time, and you know,
it's an institution that really has to look in the mirror.
I think they've long squandered any guise of or mirage
of being some institution of high integrity. I think that's gone.
But if they want to get back to a somewhat
respectable national baseline, they have to really take a long,
hard look in the mirror. Because it's been one thing
(16:36):
after another. Seven staffers arrested since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
It speaks for itself.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Justin Spirou hosted the Spirou Avenue Show back in my
home state of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
We talked a little bit about mel Tucker.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
He had kind of an unceremonious to port partuer here
after an alumni dinner as I recall leaving in the
middle of the night from Colorado from coach coaching the Buffs,
where he was, you know, anticipating to have great success here,
and he took the job at Michigan State and then
maybe karma struck him, and in this case with Sharon Moore,
final thought here, justin on.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Michigan, where they go from here?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
I kind of chuckled during that Pete Famill report that
they thought they could get Alabama's head coach. I mean,
let's settle down here a little bit. But where does
the Wolverine's football program go from here? Where can they
go from here?
Speaker 14 (17:23):
Well?
Speaker 13 (17:23):
I don't know because for the most part they failed
their coaching hires. Sharon Moore was a failed coaching hier
Brady Hope was a coaching failure, and Rich Rod was
a disaster at least the fit was. So three of
their last four have been a disaster, and even the
fourth one that was successful only became successful, was considered
a failure on the verge of being a failure.
Speaker 10 (17:41):
They were about to.
Speaker 13 (17:41):
Fire him after achieving window was open for three years,
and then the guy for the scene. So they're three
out of four failed coaching hires with a fourth pretty close.
I mean, it was a huge assers kind of whatever
success was there, I do know and can confirm. You
know what Pete Hamill said about their interest in Kalin
to Boor, told by multiple people at Michigan that they
(18:02):
really really like Kaylen de Boor. But I have no
reporting on any potential reciprocal interest there. I don't think
we're at that stage certainly. You know, Caitlyn de Bor
has got other stuff to worry about right now. The
other name I was told to keep an eye on.
Speaker 10 (18:17):
They are going to.
Speaker 13 (18:20):
Kick the tires on John Harbaugh, who may be getting
kind of gently shoved out of Baltimore. I have no
idea what John Harbaugh thinks about this, but I know
some key people, multiple key people at Michigan are very
intrigued by the idea. Do they get back into the
Harbaugh business the family. I don't know, but I know
some key people up there like him, and they will
(18:43):
have a role in this decision as they formulate this list.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Justin real quick, where can people find the Spirul Avenue Show.
Speaker 13 (18:50):
We're on YouTube, you find me on AX Darko, State News.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
We're all over.
Speaker 10 (18:54):
You can't avoid me. Once you find me, I'm all
over the place.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
He's as plugged in as anybody I know. My good
friend Justin Spiro at Darko State News on X as
he stated, and host of the Spirou Avenue Show on
this developing story, Sharon Moore out at Michigan but also
arrested for going over to a home and we'll get
more details on that, purportedly of this staffer with whom
(19:17):
he had an affair.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Justin, great stuff. As always, thank you so much for
your time. We'll talk again soon anytime.
Speaker 10 (19:23):
Ryan, Thanks for having me right Justin.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
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All right, explain this one to me. The Denver Broncos
are eleven and two, they are on a ten game
win streak, and they're undefeated at home this season, and
yet when they host the Packers this Sunday at Mile High.
The Broncos are underdogs, home dogs, a place they haven't
lost all year. Why obviously two fantastic teams, But why
are the Broncos dogs? And how do they feel about it?
(21:25):
You know, I had to get Zach Allen's take.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
You mentioned green Bay. They're coming in here.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
You guys are undefeated at home, You're at a ten
game wainn a streak.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
You're underdogs for this gig? Is that a little disrespectful? Yeah?
I didn't know that, But now give them.
Speaker 12 (21:38):
I mean they've you know, Green Bay's a hell of
a team, and you know everyone kind of saw how
they've you know, they've been ascend in the past few weeks,
and you know they you know, they're a win now mode.
You know, obviously the off season kind of proved that,
and you know, they got talent across the board offense, defense,
special teams. So it's gonna be a tough one. But
you know, we're at home, which definitely helps us a lot.
So yeah, I definitely want to you know, do their fans, do.
Speaker 15 (22:00):
You embrace the underdog mentality?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I think we're kind of past that a little bit.
Speaker 12 (22:04):
I think for us it's you know, we handle it
with a really good kind of mindset and yeah, I mean,
if you know, there's definitely you know, outside noise, but
we do a really good job of blocking it and
you know, kind of staying process driven.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
And just you know, going with the flow.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Really great answer there from defensive end Zach Allen for
your Denver Broncos romy Bean, asking the question why are
the Broncos home underdogs against the hated Green Bay Packers
or Whyans fans and Broncos fans unite?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Channon Scott on.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
The other side of the glass the Detroit connection with
yours truly, Ryan Schuley on the microphone. No one will
be rooting harder for the Broncos this weekend than yours, truly.
Lion's got a big game at SOFI against the Rams
as well, so a lot going down this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
But how does this happen?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Packers are two and a half point favorites even though
the Denver Broncos are currently on a ten game winning
streak and a ten game home winning streak. This from
Mike Cliss, who's as close to the Broncos organization as
anybody online.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Nine News quote, it's not just.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
A big deal, another disrespectful insult for the Broncos to
be listed as home underdogs to the Green Bay Packers
this Sunday. It is way bigger than that, says Cliss,
as in it's unprecedented, never happened before. According to the
Elias Sports Bureau, no NFL team during the Super Bowl
ero with a ten plus game overall winning streak and
(23:29):
a ten plus game home winning streak has ever gone
into the next game at home as an underdog.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Never never, Ever, It's happening now.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
The Broncos, who have that ten game home streak five
this year, in the last five last year, and separately
a ten game overall wins streak this year, pumping their
record up to eleven.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And two again, they are two and a.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Half point underdogs to the Packers this Sunday in a
game that'll be played in power Field at Mile High.
Broncos inside linebacker Drey Greenlaw said in an interview with
Cliss on Wednesday with nine News, you hear it. Guys
have said it in the locker room. Honestly, I've never
been an underdog or however much we're supposed to win
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by kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I mean, they don't know what the score is going
to be.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
That's true. I'll get into that in just a moment.
But it's interesting. It gives you that chip on your shoulder.
I don't know if it's whatever they've seen on film
or whatever it is, but we know we've got a
match up this week. It's going to be a great game,
and we're prepared for it. Cliss continues. What makes the
odd in odds makers more pronounced is it's not like
the Packers are the Lombardi Packers from the early Super
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Bowl era. These are the nine to three and one
Packers who lost to the Cleveland Browns. They also tied
the Dallas Cowboys. Now, if you've watched the film Casino
starring Robert de Niro as Eighth Rothstein, that is based
in part on a true story on the sharps that
help build the casinos in Las Vegas, at least Old
(25:00):
Las Vegas. We're talking mob organized Las Vegas, Bugsy Siegel
Las Vegas. So they're not necessarily getting into the world
of who they think will win and y and x's
and o's and matchups. But some of it relies on that.
But a lot of what drives the point spreads in
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Vegas is where the action is going to be, and
we will generate.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
The most bets.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
And although they won't say this directly, they're looking to
get maybe equal numbers of bets on both sides so
that there's not a lot of money that comes in
on one side, and if that one wins, then they
have to pay.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Out and they're out that money the house.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
So a sports book could be any of them in Vegas,
MGM Grand going down the list. They make money on
every transaction, so on every bet, they're going to make money,
whether you as a beteor win or loose. But again,
if there's too much money coming in on one side,
they'll have to pay that out and they won't make
as much money.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
So in a way, they're hedging their bets.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
So they're setting that point spread with wherever the bets
they anticipate will come in, and then that point spread
will move depending on where the money comes in. And
the sharps, as they call them, people that are really
tuned into the betting world. If they see a number
that they really like, These are people that bet a
lot of money, have a lot riding on the line
on the bets that they make these are not just
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amateur betters like Shannon or I might be. Then they
might recognize that, oh, the Sharps are coming in heavy
on Green Bay. So that number is up to two
and a half road favorites Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Now you might look at that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I would never advocate for degenerate gambling and putting your
whole mortgage or your children's college fun of the line here,
but you might look at that and go, man, Broncos
at home two and a half point dogs, I'm gonna
put a couple of bucks on the Denver Broncos. And
the more money that comes in on the Broncos, you
might see that point spread come back toward Denver. So
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just keep an eye on that as we continue here.
So it's a numbers game. It's not like a disrespect
like La Vegas. It's not respecting the Broncos. Well, there
are a lot of Green Bay Packers fans out there.
This happens too. You're going back to my conversation with Justin.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Spirou just a moment ago.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
There are so many Michigan Wolverines fans that are slappies
that will, you know, bet on the Wolverines even when
it's not a smart bet, for instance, like against Ohio State,
and that may affect the points spread. The money that's
coming in, so much of it on the Wolverines. There's
a lot of very successful Michigan grads out there all
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over the country, including right here in Colorado, and they
have fun betting on there Wolverines.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Packers, same thing.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
There's Packer Nation, there's cheeseheads everywhere. If you go to
the game this Sunday, you're gonna see Packers fans there.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's going to be annoying as hell. I get it.
I'm alive fan can relate.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Perhaps the best part of this, Mama knows best Bonicks.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I don't don't really care. My mom thinks we'll win.
So that's all it matters, isn't mom's points spread?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
The mone that matters the most best of Bonick is
saying quarterback of your Denver Broncos. And continue with the
Mike Cliss story. Now nine News. If Broncos head coach
Sean Payton used the underdog slap to motivate his players,
he didn't share it publicly. Quote, I don't really pay
attention to that. He said, that's something we have no
control over. Peyton then took the underdog topic in a
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different direction. Quote, Look, we've got four tough opponents the
next four weeks.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Three of the four are at home.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
We're counting on our crowd this week, not just at
the line of scrimmage, but while they're in the huddle.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's right. Be loud, be proud, be.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Broncos fans, and try to disrupt Jordan Love in that
Packers' offense with all the noise you can muster this
Sunday and empower field at my well, Hi, your thoughts
At five seven, seven thirty.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Nine a time out.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
We're back wrapping up this hour after these words on
six point thirty K how.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Erica.
Speaker 14 (29:12):
One of the most alarming things about Charlie's murder was
the way that some people in this country reacted to it. Yeah,
and not just online. This was kind of this was
an idea that you encountered a lot, and the idea
was this. They kind of justified it. They basically said
that because Charlie said or believed things that they believed
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were controversial or even hateful, that he somehow had it coming.
What do you say to people who justified his death?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
They're sick he's a human being. You think he deserved them.
Tell that to my three year old daughter. Excuse me,
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you want to watch.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
And hi, res.
Speaker 15 (30:13):
The video of my husband being murdered. Then laugh and
say he deserves it. There's something very sick in your soul.
And I pray that God saves you.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I pray because that is what is so wrong.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
The Internet in this world has dehumanized us.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Erica Kirk exactly right there.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Not a lot of people are skewering the reporter there
from CBS News and that sit down interview, But I
feel that she was doing her job as a journalist
to frame that question exactly as she did, meaning there
are those on the left who are depraved, who lack
any kind of soul or conscience that celebrated Charlie Kirk's death.
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This was the thing that happened in the immediate aftermath
that I felt.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Really revealed a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
The mask was off of those on the hard left
again that have no heart, no compassion, no ability to empathize.
That we're mocking Charlie Kirk getting shot in the throat,
that we're wearing t shirts with fake blood on their necks,
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that we're posting videos online.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
We're talking college.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Professors here, academia, institutions of higher learning across the country,
just revealing themselves for the scum that they are. Because
it's one thing to have a thought that enters your mind,
a poisonous, toxic, awful thought. We all have them time
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to time. I'm not saying that we don't. I'm not
saying that I don't. I'm not saying that Shannon doesn't.
But that goes from your brain to Okay, I'm thinking
about this, that's offul, I'm gonna flush that out. Then
it goes to speaking those words aloud, maybe to comfortable
company with whom you think you agree politically on the left,
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in a coffee shop or on campus somewhere else. Hey,
you see Charlie Kirk got shot. Yeah, well he kind
of had it coming. Ah, aren't we liberal superior to
everybody else? So that's step two. Step three though that
we saw was you have the thought, you internalize the thought,
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you think better of it. Oh no, no, no, you don't.
You verbalize it with comfortable company. And then there's the
next step that we saw play out as well. You
have the egomaniacal narcissism to believe that what you say
is so important that you need to post that take,
that hot, flaming take about Charlie Kirk had it coming
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on TikTok, on Instagram, on x on Facebook, and we
saw plenty of those.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
So that depravity goes from.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Initial thought, verbalizing the thought, posting the thought for all
to see, and then wondering aloud why you're facing any
kind of blowback or consequences for this evil thought?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
What is wrong with people that they.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Would attack a grieving widow, that they would think that
there's some conspiracy brewing Candice Owens. As we've talked about
with Turning Point USA, that there's not a simple straight
line explanation. Okham's razor, Tyler Robinson is the lone gunman.
We don't need to go down the Lee Harvey Oswald path.
There is no Jack Ruby. You know, we don't have
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to have a film called JFK produced and directed by
Oliver Stone starring Kevin Coster. We don't need any or
all of that. Sometimes a horrific event like this is
boring in its explanation. Now, Tyler Robinson may have been
motivated by forces online, leftist forces that were encouraging him
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and suggesting that Charlie Kirk was anti trans, was hostile
to trans people, was a threat to their existence.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
This is where we're dancing on the head of that pin.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
And the left says that words are violence, or that
hurting their feelings is tantamount to harming them physically.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So there's this gray area that's intentional.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
And that they conflate their feelings being hurt with being threatened.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You threatened me, I'm triggered.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I need to take a thirty eight to six to
the roof of a building and shoot Charlie Kirk in
the throat because he needs to be silenced rather than
having the very conversations that Charlie Kirk w wanted to
have with people that he disagreed on college campuses throughout
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the country. What liberal host, pundit, figure, social media influencer,
talk show host name one, Rachel Maddow on down whoever
else is doing the same in reverse that Charlie Kirk
was doing, engaging with going to college campus is hostile
territory to begin with. Ben Shapiro does much the same thing,
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although I imagine he'll be doing it a lot less.
They were shutting down Ben shapiro appearances on campus is
because he don't you know, it was a threat to
leftist ideas and interests and their very existence and existential threat.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Have you heard that term before?
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Ben Shapiro's very words harm people are dangerous equate to
violence against marginalized communities.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Get out of here with that.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Are we that soft that you can't stand to hear
an opinion that you disagree with?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It needs to be silenced.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
How strong is your opinion when that is the square
that you jump to, but you can't find it anywhere
in the country, let alone. Imagine if a leftist went
into a predominantly conservative bastion, I said, I want to
have these conversations wherever that might be. However, you might
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define that a VFW hall, a MAGA rally, a church
and say, I know I disagree with you, and I
know you disagree with me, but it's important that we
engage in these conversations and find some kind of commonality,
some kind of shared sense of values.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That is what we've lost in this country.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
What manifested itself in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Because
when I went to college, as I mentioned in the nineties,
I have lots of liberal friends and professors who knew
that I was not liberal, but this was but a
point of contention where Bill Maris talked about this. You
cut off all contact with people with whom you disagree
because you're right, they're wrong, you're good, they're evil.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Everything is binary, black and white, no shades of.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Gray, no room for discussion, no room for any kind
of negotiation of I'll consider your point, I will seed
that ground to you, Cede. Will you acknowledge my point?
And can we have that exchange of ideas? And when
Charlie Kirk was murdered, that important voice was silenced and
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we are all worse for it. So again, kudos to
Erica Kirk for doing what she has to do, going
out there and speaking about her husband and continuing her
husband's legacy. Ryan Schuling here on six point thirty k
out more after this
We started breaking news in college football. Michigan has fired
head football coach Charon Moore for cause. The school said
that an investigation found that Moore had inappropriate relationship and
inappropriate relationship with a staff member. Moore had been suspended
for three games and given.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
A two year show cause order for his part in
the school's scouting and signed stealing scandal just a few
years ago. Senior college football writer Pete famills all over
the story and joins us, now, what details do you
have about this investigation at which led.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
To this firing.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, Kevin, this is something that's been percolating at Michigan
for the last couple of weeks. There was an initial
flurry of speculation in an early investigation that died down
toward the end of the regular season. There had been
a lot of uneasiness on the Michigan staff. Sources had
told me Sharon Moore had been acting strange, but rating
assistant coaches not acting in a normal way. Things had
quiet within the last couple of weeks and obviously percolated
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back up within the last week. And look, I've been
around this for a long time. It is rare that
you get a statement like the one Michigan had being
as explicit as they are saying it was an inappropriate
relationship with a staff member that led to Sharon Morris firing.
He would have been owed Kevin more than twelve million
dollars on the three years remaining on his initial contract.
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Michigan will not pay him that money as they're firing
for Copts all right.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
More was the team's former offensive coordinator, was promoted to
the top job after Jim Harball left following the twenty
twenty three national championship. They're getting ready for a bowl
game against Texas and the Citrus Bowl. What's going to
be the next move here for Michigan, especially after's so
many top jobs have been filled around.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The country, Absolutely Kevin, and so many extensions have been
given around the country too for the coaches who didn't
go to the top jobs. Look, Michigan is still a
premier job in college football, and they are going to
have a good pool.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
They're going to have to act quickly.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Obviously, the portal opens on January tewod you need to
not only have a coaching place by then, but some
semblance of a staff as well. They'd be unlikely to
go after any playoff coaches. It's too much risk reward
if a coach wins coach loses. Obviously, Calin de Boorr
has been bandied around on the old X Machine as
one of the top candidates. He's Alabama's head coach. That
would appear to be unlikely from a timing perspective, But
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names like Jeff Brahm, names like Eli Drinkwitz, former Michigan coordinator,
Jed Fish, former Michigan coordinator Jesse Minter, maybe even Clark
Lee or a few of the names that will likely
come into focus here at Michigan. Expect them to move
quickly as the calendar demands it, and.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
The interim head coach will be Biff Pogy Right now
part of that stat p famill joining us on the
breaking news that Michigan has fired head coach Sharon Moore
tonight and just.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The tip of the iceberg as it would appear back
in my home state of Michigan. As the turmoil over
these last twenty four hours or so continues to grow,
we know that Sharon Maher is out at Michigan. The
thought that they would poach a coach from Alabama is
foolishness in my view, as a Michigan State fans. Makes
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a lot of sense, but that's just the x's and
o's of it. You back up a step now and
why Sharon Moore was let go? This from CBS Detroit.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
We begin tonight with breaking news. CBS News Detroit.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Has learned that right now, former University of Michigan football
coach Sharon Moore is being held in the Washtonac County jail.
Thanks for joining us at eleven.
Speaker 8 (03:22):
I'm Shana Humphrey and I'm Terrence Friday. This shocking twist
came just hours after Michigan fired More for having an
inappropriate relationship with a member of his staff. We have
team coverage tonight. CBS News Detroit sports reporter Matt Finkel
takes a look at Moore's career at Michigan and what's next.
But let's begin with CBS News Detroit's Heath cow He's
live in Pittsfell Township with the latest and reaction from
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Michigan's campus.
Speaker 9 (03:46):
Eighth Yeah, Terran, Sharon Moore being fired is huge news
in itself, with the football coach being detained, was truly shocked,
and we have confirmed as of this evening that he
is being held at Washtnock County Jail. Now Sharon Moore.
We asked the Pittsfield Police earlier if they had any
other details for us. Just about thirty minutes ago, they
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sent me, along with other reporters following the news surrounding
Sean Moore, a statement regarding a suspect that was involved
in an incident near the three thousand block of Saline
Road in Pittsfield Township just after four pm today. That
does not appear to be random in nature, and there
appears to be no ongoing threat to the community now
at this time, the investigation is ongoing. It was just
before five o'clock this afternoon when Michigan Athletic Durator when
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the Michigan Athletic Director released a statement saying quote U
of head football coach Sharon Moore has been terminated with cause,
effective immediately, following a university investigation. Credible evidence was found
that coach More engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a
staff member. This conduct constitutes a clear violation of university policy,
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and U of M maintains zero tolerance for such behavior.
Speaker 10 (04:55):
Now.
Speaker 9 (04:55):
According to CBS Sports, the investigation into Sharon Moore had
been going on for weeks. This announcement that Moore is
now out as head coach at Michigan has been a
total shock in ann Arbor, especially after rumors started to
spread on campus and throughout the country about Moore's alleged arrest.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I did not hear about the arrest. I only heard
about the firing.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
I heard there was like some allegations, but like I
don't know, I mean, it was literally like a shockwave
through like all my friend groups, like it was definitely
something to be heard.
Speaker 11 (05:22):
It's like that cannot be real. Like obviously everyone's heard
the rumors, but I didn't think it would actually come
to fruition. And then everything else came out, and it's
just shotgun to see, like this got to figure figure
ahead of your program.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's just not a good look.
Speaker 11 (05:37):
Not something you want to see as Michigan fan. You know,
it's pretty surprising, you know, not expecting your coach to
be doing those kinds of things.
Speaker 12 (05:45):
But hopefully we'll have a new great coach coming in soon.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Now.
Speaker 9 (05:50):
Michigan football is slated to play the University of Texas
on December thirty first in the Citrus Bowl. But I
could tell you the Citrus Bowl is not the talk
of the town right now in Arbor. So what we
know right now is that the former head coach of
the University of Michigan football team, Tromore, is being held
at the Washington County Jail until a pending review of
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charges by the Washingtawk County Prosecutor. We'll be sure to
report on any updates when more information becomes available. For
now reporting here in Pittsfield, Charter Township, Heath called CBS
News Detroit, what.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The hell is going on in ann Arbor.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
This is the city where I was born and the
University of Michigan now in complete turmoil with regard to
their head coaching situation on the football front. Joining me
now my good friend Justin Spiroll. You can follow him
on x at Darko State News. He is host of
the Spirou Avenue Show and he joined us now in
six point thirty kW Justin, Thanks for your time.
Speaker 10 (06:46):
Oh my pleasure.
Speaker 13 (06:47):
Ryan, anything for you, and you know we miss you
here in Michigan. Although I must say I think you're
in America's most beautiful city in Denver.
Speaker 10 (06:54):
I'm envious in that regard. So it is good to
hear from you.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Now, justin we heard the news replat towards there from
ESPN and then locally CBS Detroit. Are there any details
you can help paint in? I know a lot of
this is ranked speculation. I'm seeing some really disturbing details
online that have yet not been confirmed at least as
I know it. What more can you tell us in
addition to what we just heard.
Speaker 13 (07:18):
Yeah, Well, for one, the timing of this is interesting,
and you know the timeline has been placed at multiple weeks.
About Michigan's awareness of this, well, I've been talking about
this since August. August fifteenth was the first mention I've
made of this percolating.
Speaker 10 (07:35):
To use piece.
Speaker 13 (07:35):
Handles word, yeah, and I'll put it put ittly. I'm
not getting this from Michigan state sources or Ohio state sources.
So if if I know this, it's from Michigan people, right,
And that was back in August. So this whole idea
that there have been issues that you're own more in
this way has only been for a few weeks is
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just objectively false. And anyone can look at my reporting
on it in the timestance of that. So this has
been kind of in the ether for much longer, and
it really I don't even think I was the first
on it internally in the Michigan side. I think they
were aware of it even longer ago than that. And
there's a whole other component here too, Ryan, and that's
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I've reported this yesterday and I'm the first one to
report it.
Speaker 10 (08:21):
But this is going to continue to come out.
Speaker 13 (08:23):
Where sharl Moore was contacting multiple multiple women trying to
set up effectively rendezvous, dinner dates.
Speaker 10 (08:33):
Things of that nature.
Speaker 13 (08:35):
And it was not as explicit as just coming right
out and propositioning anything inappropriate, but it was what I
would argue would be like a grooming setup. And the
University of Michigan is aware of these correspondences as well,
and those played into their decision to say enough enough.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
Now.
Speaker 13 (08:55):
The interesting thing, Ryan, is do they pushed the envelope
on this investigation if they beat Ohio State a couple
of weeks ago. I was arguing in real time, I
don't think they do, and there's Michigan people that don't
believe that they do. It's not that they concocted anything.
Speaker 10 (09:15):
This is true.
Speaker 13 (09:16):
What they are alleging happened did occur. But their enthusiasm
for finding it was increased by their lack of success,
by their expectations on the field, and I think that
is interesting. I'm happy to get into a little bit
of the details with the arrest, but I will say
some of the stuff going around is not true. Here's
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what I do know and what I can report firmly,
and I already have reported. Shroan Moore shortly after he
was terminated, went to the staffer whom he had an
affair with, Paide Scheiver's house. Now there's disputes about what
happened there, what he was doing there. I'm not going
(10:01):
to get into that. I can say some of what's
out there is mostly true, some of it is not.
But what I can say for a fact is that
shortly after the firing he went to his mistress's house,
and that in and of itself.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
Is noteworthy and newsworthy.
Speaker 13 (10:19):
And whatever happened there went to his ultimate arrest, which
is also a fact. So from there, let's just let
that sort out. I can't wait to see the body
camp footage.
Speaker 10 (10:28):
I hope that comes out.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Oh wow, Yes, Justin Spirou a our guest Darko State
News on X he is host of the Spireau Avenue Show,
and his reporting, as he mentioned, was on the forefront
of this many weeks ago. That's an interesting detail to me,
justin because it goes to our cynical side, you and
me as Michigan State fans, as to whether or not
Michigan is truly the institution it purports it claims to
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be with integrity. You know, a Michigan man that whole label,
the pride that they had during the Jim Harbaugh years,
which was well earned. But now, Sharon or In, these
details that keep coming out. Now I look back at
Michigan and the details that you revealed about how this
was handled and more importantly, the timeline in which it
was handled or not handled, and it always goes back
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to the same axiom justin that is, you want to
get in front of a story when you know a
bad story is coming.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
This is just pr one, oh one.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
And yet Michigan seemed to be willing to wait until
whether or not they beat Ohio State and then maybe
Cheron Moore could have weathered this storm.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Let's just play that out.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
If Michigan had beaten Ohio State and these facts play
out just as we see does Charon Moore still get.
Speaker 13 (11:37):
Fired, And there's it's impossible to say for sure, you know,
that's like you're going to an alternate universe. But what
I can say, because I've talked to multiple sources up there,
is that the enthusiasm for the investigation stirred up, even
especially after the Ohio State lost.
Speaker 10 (11:55):
But really it was, you know, they almost lost to
an awful Purdue team.
Speaker 13 (11:59):
What they were seen throughout the course of the year,
they had already lost to the only two good teams
they had played.
Speaker 10 (12:04):
For example, even before the Olyow.
Speaker 13 (12:05):
State game made it three or three, their enthusiasm for
digging into this was increased. And the key thing here
is there's no allegation throughout this solicit affair of anything
non consensual. You know, even like in the Brenda Tracy example,
which is a civil matter, not a criminal matter. With
mel Tucker at Michigan State, it's there was no even
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alleged contact or alleged crime, but there was an allegation
of unwanted advances in the form of sexual harassment. That's
not what's happening here. The Paige Scheiber at no point
accused sure own more privately or publicly of anything untoward.
This was a fully consensual relationship, so there's there's less
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need if you're in Michigan and you want to you know,
I hesitate to use the term cover it up, but
if you're less interested in uncovering it, you know there's
no victim here, and there you can you can talk
yourself into that there's no one a choosing something of
wrong doing, even though it is a clear case of
doing so. So yeah, I don't there's no way to
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say for sure. I suspect he is still the coach
right now if they beat Ohio State and they're in
the cause of bumplayoffs, and that's an informed gas, but
you know, we don't.
Speaker 10 (13:18):
Know for sure.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Well, justin Spirol Darko State News, joining us from my
home state of Michigan, where this story has made national news.
You're own more out as head coach of the Wolverines.
You touched on it justin Michigan. State had a comparable
scandal not that long ago with mel Tucker, and.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It just kind of goes back to the same theme.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I know here in Colorado, Dion Sanders, he's a big personality,
but came up short this year with a three and
nine record, yet there are not these off the field concerns.
And it just boggles the mind to think of the
money that mel Tucker was willing to throw away by
risking it all in whatever interaction he had with Brenda Tracy,
who ironically was on campus to give a presentation about
(14:02):
football players being aware of sexually harassing or assaulting women.
And then Tucker gets into this back and forth communication.
However it's defined with this, Brenda Tracy cost him his job,
Michigan State able to fire him for cause. And here's
Sharon more same thing, throwing money away. This is a
married father of four, He had the world was his oyster.
(14:25):
He had the tiger by the tails.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So to speak.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
He was head coach at Michigan, and yet he was
willing to risk it all and throw it all away.
I can't get my head around it.
Speaker 13 (14:34):
So it's so ridiculous. And mel Tucker case, from a
purely financial standpoint, is worse in terms of what was squandered.
Mel Tucker had just a shy of eighty two million
dollars remaining on his contract. Sharona has twelve. So I
mean Miltucker's mistake are error in character or whatever is
a seventy million dollar worse mistake. But in terms of
(14:55):
the scandal, I mean, really there are a lot of similarities.
The University of Mi Michigan. It's involving a staffer relationship,
which is of course violet of the Moral Turpitude clause
violated of their labor contracts, et cetera. You know, you
can't have a relationship with a staffer or certainly not
your direct subordinate. And you know, the Michigan State case,
(15:16):
it was not a staffer, but it was a university vendor.
Speaker 10 (15:18):
So you're you're.
Speaker 13 (15:19):
Basically fishing in two ponds that you can't fish from me.
I mean, that's really the case. And there's some similarities there,
you know, again, also some differences, but just a complete waste.
And I mean you mentioned earlier, you know, you're starting
to wonder about, oh, it is Michigan all they purported
to be as an institution, the Michigan man et cetera.
I would argue this was squandered long before that. They
(15:40):
had the largest on field cheating scandal in history. Showing
more marks. The seventh football staffer arrested since Jim Harbaugh
arrived in the twenty fifteen season seven staffers arrested. I
don't know what Denver's you know stats are for the
like for the.
Speaker 10 (15:56):
Bus for Colorado.
Speaker 13 (15:58):
I'll tell you Michigan State has had zero staffers arrested
in that timeframe, so they have a seven zero lead
in staffer arrests.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
In the in state rivalry.
Speaker 13 (16:07):
It is not normal to have seven staffers arrested, one
of whom is a head coach.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
So it's really this has.
Speaker 13 (16:15):
Been going on for a long time, and you know,
it's an institution that really has to look in the mirror.
I think they've long squandered any guise of or mirage
of being some institution of high integrity. I think that's gone.
But if they want to get back to a somewhat
respectable national baseline, they have to really take a long,
hard look in the mirror. Because it's been one thing
(16:36):
after another. Seven staffers arrested since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
It speaks for itself.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Justin Spirou hosted the Spirou Avenue Show back in my
home state of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
We talked a little bit about mel Tucker.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
He had kind of an unceremonious to port partuer here
after an alumni dinner as I recall leaving in the
middle of the night from Colorado from coach coaching the Buffs,
where he was, you know, anticipating to have great success here,
and he took the job at Michigan State and then
maybe karma struck him, and in this case with Sharon Moore,
final thought here, justin on.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Michigan, where they go from here?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
I kind of chuckled during that Pete Famill report that
they thought they could get Alabama's head coach. I mean,
let's settle down here a little bit. But where does
the Wolverine's football program go from here? Where can they
go from here?
Speaker 14 (17:23):
Well?
Speaker 13 (17:23):
I don't know because for the most part they failed
their coaching hires. Sharon Moore was a failed coaching hier
Brady Hope was a coaching failure, and Rich Rod was
a disaster at least the fit was. So three of
their last four have been a disaster, and even the
fourth one that was successful only became successful, was considered
a failure on the verge of being a failure.
Speaker 10 (17:41):
They were about to.
Speaker 13 (17:41):
Fire him after achieving window was open for three years,
and then the guy for the scene. So they're three
out of four failed coaching hires with a fourth pretty close.
I mean, it was a huge assers kind of whatever
success was there, I do know and can confirm. You
know what Pete Hamill said about their interest in Kalin
to Boor, told by multiple people at Michigan that they
(18:02):
really really like Kaylen de Boor. But I have no
reporting on any potential reciprocal interest there. I don't think
we're at that stage certainly. You know, Caitlyn de Bor
has got other stuff to worry about right now. The
other name I was told to keep an eye on.
Speaker 10 (18:17):
They are going to.
Speaker 13 (18:20):
Kick the tires on John Harbaugh, who may be getting
kind of gently shoved out of Baltimore. I have no
idea what John Harbaugh thinks about this, but I know
some key people, multiple key people at Michigan are very
intrigued by the idea. Do they get back into the
Harbaugh business the family. I don't know, but I know
some key people up there like him, and they will
(18:43):
have a role in this decision as they formulate this list.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Justin real quick, where can people find the Spirul Avenue Show.
Speaker 13 (18:50):
We're on YouTube, you find me on AX Darko, State News.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
We're all over.
Speaker 10 (18:54):
You can't avoid me. Once you find me, I'm all
over the place.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
He's as plugged in as anybody I know. My good
friend Justin Spiro at Darko State News on X as
he stated, and host of the Spirou Avenue Show on
this developing story, Sharon Moore out at Michigan but also
arrested for going over to a home and we'll get
more details on that, purportedly of this staffer with whom
(19:17):
he had an affair.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Justin, great stuff. As always, thank you so much for
your time. We'll talk again soon anytime.
Speaker 10 (19:23):
Ryan, Thanks for having me right Justin.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
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Speaker 7 (21:03):
All right, explain this one to me. The Denver Broncos
are eleven and two, they are on a ten game
win streak, and they're undefeated at home this season, and
yet when they host the Packers this Sunday at Mile High.
The Broncos are underdogs, home dogs, a place they haven't
lost all year. Why obviously two fantastic teams, But why
are the Broncos dogs? And how do they feel about it?
(21:25):
You know, I had to get Zach Allen's take.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
You mentioned green Bay. They're coming in here.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
You guys are undefeated at home, You're at a ten
game wainn a streak.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
You're underdogs for this gig? Is that a little disrespectful? Yeah?
I didn't know that, But now give them.
Speaker 12 (21:38):
I mean they've you know, Green Bay's a hell of
a team, and you know everyone kind of saw how
they've you know, they've been ascend in the past few weeks,
and you know they you know, they're a win now mode.
You know, obviously the off season kind of proved that,
and you know, they got talent across the board offense, defense,
special teams. So it's gonna be a tough one. But
you know, we're at home, which definitely helps us a lot.
So yeah, I definitely want to you know, do their fans, do.
Speaker 15 (22:00):
You embrace the underdog mentality?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I think we're kind of past that a little bit.
Speaker 12 (22:04):
I think for us it's you know, we handle it
with a really good kind of mindset and yeah, I mean,
if you know, there's definitely you know, outside noise, but
we do a really good job of blocking it and
you know, kind of staying process driven.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
And just you know, going with the flow.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Really great answer there from defensive end Zach Allen for
your Denver Broncos romy Bean, asking the question why are
the Broncos home underdogs against the hated Green Bay Packers
or Whyans fans and Broncos fans unite?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Channon Scott on.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
The other side of the glass the Detroit connection with
yours truly, Ryan Schuley on the microphone. No one will
be rooting harder for the Broncos this weekend than yours, truly.
Lion's got a big game at SOFI against the Rams
as well, so a lot going down this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
But how does this happen?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Packers are two and a half point favorites even though
the Denver Broncos are currently on a ten game winning
streak and a ten game home winning streak. This from
Mike Cliss, who's as close to the Broncos organization as
anybody online.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Nine News quote, it's not just.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
A big deal, another disrespectful insult for the Broncos to
be listed as home underdogs to the Green Bay Packers
this Sunday. It is way bigger than that, says Cliss,
as in it's unprecedented, never happened before. According to the
Elias Sports Bureau, no NFL team during the Super Bowl
ero with a ten plus game overall winning streak and
(23:29):
a ten plus game home winning streak has ever gone
into the next game at home as an underdog.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Never never, Ever, It's happening now.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
The Broncos, who have that ten game home streak five
this year, in the last five last year, and separately
a ten game overall wins streak this year, pumping their
record up to eleven.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And two again, they are two and a.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Half point underdogs to the Packers this Sunday in a
game that'll be played in power Field at Mile High.
Broncos inside linebacker Drey Greenlaw said in an interview with
Cliss on Wednesday with nine News, you hear it. Guys
have said it in the locker room. Honestly, I've never
been an underdog or however much we're supposed to win
(24:14):
by kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I mean, they don't know what the score is going
to be.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
That's true. I'll get into that in just a moment.
But it's interesting. It gives you that chip on your shoulder.
I don't know if it's whatever they've seen on film
or whatever it is, but we know we've got a
match up this week. It's going to be a great game,
and we're prepared for it. Cliss continues. What makes the
odd in odds makers more pronounced is it's not like
the Packers are the Lombardi Packers from the early Super
(24:40):
Bowl era. These are the nine to three and one
Packers who lost to the Cleveland Browns. They also tied
the Dallas Cowboys. Now, if you've watched the film Casino
starring Robert de Niro as Eighth Rothstein, that is based
in part on a true story on the sharps that
help build the casinos in Las Vegas, at least Old
(25:00):
Las Vegas. We're talking mob organized Las Vegas, Bugsy Siegel
Las Vegas. So they're not necessarily getting into the world
of who they think will win and y and x's
and o's and matchups. But some of it relies on that.
But a lot of what drives the point spreads in
(25:21):
Vegas is where the action is going to be, and
we will generate.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
The most bets.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
And although they won't say this directly, they're looking to
get maybe equal numbers of bets on both sides so
that there's not a lot of money that comes in
on one side, and if that one wins, then they
have to pay.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Out and they're out that money the house.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
So a sports book could be any of them in Vegas,
MGM Grand going down the list. They make money on
every transaction, so on every bet, they're going to make money,
whether you as a beteor win or loose. But again,
if there's too much money coming in on one side,
they'll have to pay that out and they won't make
as much money.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
So in a way, they're hedging their bets.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
So they're setting that point spread with wherever the bets
they anticipate will come in, and then that point spread
will move depending on where the money comes in. And
the sharps, as they call them, people that are really
tuned into the betting world. If they see a number
that they really like, These are people that bet a
lot of money, have a lot riding on the line
on the bets that they make these are not just
(26:26):
amateur betters like Shannon or I might be. Then they
might recognize that, oh, the Sharps are coming in heavy
on Green Bay. So that number is up to two
and a half road favorites Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Now you might look at that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I would never advocate for degenerate gambling and putting your
whole mortgage or your children's college fun of the line here,
but you might look at that and go, man, Broncos
at home two and a half point dogs, I'm gonna
put a couple of bucks on the Denver Broncos. And
the more money that comes in on the Broncos, you
might see that point spread come back toward Denver. So
(27:05):
just keep an eye on that as we continue here.
So it's a numbers game. It's not like a disrespect
like La Vegas. It's not respecting the Broncos. Well, there
are a lot of Green Bay Packers fans out there.
This happens too. You're going back to my conversation with Justin.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Spirou just a moment ago.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
There are so many Michigan Wolverines fans that are slappies
that will, you know, bet on the Wolverines even when
it's not a smart bet, for instance, like against Ohio State,
and that may affect the points spread. The money that's
coming in, so much of it on the Wolverines. There's
a lot of very successful Michigan grads out there all
(27:42):
over the country, including right here in Colorado, and they
have fun betting on there Wolverines.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Packers, same thing.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
There's Packer Nation, there's cheeseheads everywhere. If you go to
the game this Sunday, you're gonna see Packers fans there.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's going to be annoying as hell. I get it.
I'm alive fan can relate.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Perhaps the best part of this, Mama knows best Bonicks.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I don't don't really care. My mom thinks we'll win.
So that's all it matters, isn't mom's points spread?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
The mone that matters the most best of Bonick is
saying quarterback of your Denver Broncos. And continue with the
Mike Cliss story. Now nine News. If Broncos head coach
Sean Payton used the underdog slap to motivate his players,
he didn't share it publicly. Quote, I don't really pay
attention to that. He said, that's something we have no
control over. Peyton then took the underdog topic in a
(28:36):
different direction. Quote, Look, we've got four tough opponents the
next four weeks.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Three of the four are at home.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
We're counting on our crowd this week, not just at
the line of scrimmage, but while they're in the huddle.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's right. Be loud, be proud, be.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Broncos fans, and try to disrupt Jordan Love in that
Packers' offense with all the noise you can muster this
Sunday and empower field at my well, Hi, your thoughts
At five seven, seven thirty.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Nine a time out.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
We're back wrapping up this hour after these words on
six point thirty K how.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Erica.
Speaker 14 (29:12):
One of the most alarming things about Charlie's murder was
the way that some people in this country reacted to it. Yeah,
and not just online. This was kind of this was
an idea that you encountered a lot, and the idea
was this. They kind of justified it. They basically said
that because Charlie said or believed things that they believed
(29:34):
were controversial or even hateful, that he somehow had it coming.
What do you say to people who justified his death?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
They're sick he's a human being. You think he deserved them.
Tell that to my three year old daughter. Excuse me,
(30:08):
you want to watch.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
And hi, res.
Speaker 15 (30:13):
The video of my husband being murdered. Then laugh and
say he deserves it. There's something very sick in your soul.
And I pray that God saves you.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I pray because that is what is so wrong.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
The Internet in this world has dehumanized us.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Erica Kirk exactly right there.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Not a lot of people are skewering the reporter there
from CBS News and that sit down interview, But I
feel that she was doing her job as a journalist
to frame that question exactly as she did, meaning there
are those on the left who are depraved, who lack
any kind of soul or conscience that celebrated Charlie Kirk's death.
(31:06):
This was the thing that happened in the immediate aftermath
that I felt.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Really revealed a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
The mask was off of those on the hard left
again that have no heart, no compassion, no ability to empathize.
That we're mocking Charlie Kirk getting shot in the throat,
that we're wearing t shirts with fake blood on their necks,
(31:34):
that we're posting videos online.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
We're talking college.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Professors here, academia, institutions of higher learning across the country,
just revealing themselves for the scum that they are. Because
it's one thing to have a thought that enters your mind,
a poisonous, toxic, awful thought. We all have them time
(32:00):
to time. I'm not saying that we don't. I'm not
saying that I don't. I'm not saying that Shannon doesn't.
But that goes from your brain to Okay, I'm thinking
about this, that's offul, I'm gonna flush that out. Then
it goes to speaking those words aloud, maybe to comfortable
company with whom you think you agree politically on the left,
(32:22):
in a coffee shop or on campus somewhere else. Hey,
you see Charlie Kirk got shot. Yeah, well he kind
of had it coming. Ah, aren't we liberal superior to
everybody else? So that's step two. Step three though that
we saw was you have the thought, you internalize the thought,
(32:42):
you think better of it. Oh no, no, no, you don't.
You verbalize it with comfortable company. And then there's the
next step that we saw play out as well. You
have the egomaniacal narcissism to believe that what you say
is so important that you need to post that take,
that hot, flaming take about Charlie Kirk had it coming
(33:07):
on TikTok, on Instagram, on x on Facebook, and we
saw plenty of those.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
So that depravity goes from.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Initial thought, verbalizing the thought, posting the thought for all
to see, and then wondering aloud why you're facing any
kind of blowback or consequences for this evil thought?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
What is wrong with people that they.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Would attack a grieving widow, that they would think that
there's some conspiracy brewing Candice Owens. As we've talked about
with Turning Point USA, that there's not a simple straight
line explanation. Okham's razor, Tyler Robinson is the lone gunman.
We don't need to go down the Lee Harvey Oswald path.
There is no Jack Ruby. You know, we don't have
(33:52):
to have a film called JFK produced and directed by
Oliver Stone starring Kevin Coster. We don't need any or
all of that. Sometimes a horrific event like this is
boring in its explanation. Now, Tyler Robinson may have been
motivated by forces online, leftist forces that were encouraging him
(34:12):
and suggesting that Charlie Kirk was anti trans, was hostile
to trans people, was a threat to their existence.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
This is where we're dancing on the head of that pin.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
And the left says that words are violence, or that
hurting their feelings is tantamount to harming them physically.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So there's this gray area that's intentional.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
And that they conflate their feelings being hurt with being threatened.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You threatened me, I'm triggered.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I need to take a thirty eight to six to
the roof of a building and shoot Charlie Kirk in
the throat because he needs to be silenced rather than
having the very conversations that Charlie Kirk w wanted to
have with people that he disagreed on college campuses throughout
(35:06):
the country. What liberal host, pundit, figure, social media influencer,
talk show host name one, Rachel Maddow on down whoever
else is doing the same in reverse that Charlie Kirk
was doing, engaging with going to college campus is hostile
territory to begin with. Ben Shapiro does much the same thing,
(35:28):
although I imagine he'll be doing it a lot less.
They were shutting down Ben shapiro appearances on campus is
because he don't you know, it was a threat to
leftist ideas and interests and their very existence and existential threat.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Have you heard that term before?
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Ben Shapiro's very words harm people are dangerous equate to
violence against marginalized communities.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Get out of here with that.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Are we that soft that you can't stand to hear
an opinion that you disagree with?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It needs to be silenced.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
How strong is your opinion when that is the square
that you jump to, but you can't find it anywhere
in the country, let alone. Imagine if a leftist went
into a predominantly conservative bastion, I said, I want to
have these conversations wherever that might be. However, you might
(36:28):
define that a VFW hall, a MAGA rally, a church
and say, I know I disagree with you, and I
know you disagree with me, but it's important that we
engage in these conversations and find some kind of commonality,
some kind of shared sense of values.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That is what we've lost in this country.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
What manifested itself in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Because
when I went to college, as I mentioned in the nineties,
I have lots of liberal friends and professors who knew
that I was not liberal, but this was but a
point of contention where Bill Maris talked about this. You
cut off all contact with people with whom you disagree
because you're right, they're wrong, you're good, they're evil.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Everything is binary, black and white, no shades of.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Gray, no room for discussion, no room for any kind
of negotiation of I'll consider your point, I will seed
that ground to you, Cede. Will you acknowledge my point?
And can we have that exchange of ideas? And when
Charlie Kirk was murdered, that important voice was silenced and
(37:36):
we are all worse for it. So again, kudos to
Erica Kirk for doing what she has to do, going
out there and speaking about her husband and continuing her
husband's legacy. Ryan Schuling here on six point thirty k
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