October 17, 2025 • 32 mins
In the second hour of today's show, Ryan Schuiling interviews Laura Carno, from FASTER Colorado, about her efforts to arm teachers in Colorado's schools.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It was not on the agenda, but it didn't matter
to the dozens of people who all signed up to
give public comment. And as for the Jefferson School Board,
they did their best to make sure that everybody got
a chance to talk. Now, this was a meeting that
did get emotional at times. We saw some people shedding
a tier, even a few school board members as well.
There was even an Evergreen student here who spoke about
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their experience the day of the shooting. Now tonight, many
families criticize the board for a lack of school resource
officers in the district after there was not a permanent
SORO at Evergreen on the time of the shooting. Now
there has been a permanent SORO assigned to Evergreens since then.
But tonight many people pushed for all Jefferson County schools
to have full time soros. Other people talked about different
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solutions to keep students safe and build back trust with
parents in the district.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
At the end of the day, it comes down to
one simple question, would you rather walk through meltal toucher
or run for your life.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, in Jefferson County, where we've piloted SRO programs, they've
built bridges, officers unseling at risk youth, spotting red flags
before they flare. Imagine one at every high school, middle school,
and elementary school.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I hear a lot of more guns, more guns, more
police officers.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm telling you right now, you put strangers in schools
with concealed carries. My kid ain't going to your school.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
You cannot lead through a trauma like that with emails
and surveys. There has been no available engagement, availability, engagement,
or empathy on a personal level from anybody at the
district office.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
After public comments and Night School, but board members did
thank everyone for sharing their thoughts. They also let them
know that there were mental health resources here on site
at the education building for anybody that may need it.
Live in Golden Golden Chows nine News.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
And our thanks to Night News Golden chob Is for
that report and those sound bites. To me, this should
be pretty close to a one hundred zero issue. I
know that it's not, but it doesn't even feel political
to me. You would rather have a dead cad SRO
in a public school than not give me the reason
for not. Oh, the kids, they're scary. It feels like
they're walking into a prison. Well, how about a secured facility.
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I know wherever I go if I see an armed
police officer.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
If I'm a customer at.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
A grocery store and I see that in Greenwood Village,
when I go to King Soupers, I feel better about it.
I know that there's not going to be any nonsense
going on at that store where I'm shopping, that shoplifting
won't escalate into something else. I'm kind of a robbery
for instance. I don't see where less is more in
this case. In the wake of the Evergreen High School shooting,
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we know that one of the shooting victims was just
released from the hospital having suffered very severe injuries, and
joining us now in her effort to put SROs in
all public schools in Colorado, including the training of personnel
and staff at said public schools. Laura Carno, you can
follow her on x at that very handle at Laura Carno.
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She's the executve director of Faster Colorado and she joins
us now.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
Laura, thank you for your time.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
Sure, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 9 (03:05):
Ryan.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I want to focus and perhaps you heard it on
the father.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I believe it was a father that we heard in
the public comment portion of that jeff Co School Board
meeting that said, if you put strangers with concealed weapons
and schools, I won't be sending my kids there. I
couldn't think of a more off the mark read of
what you are striving for with your program at Faster
Colorado than that.
Speaker 8 (03:27):
Yeah, and certainly it's it's fine for parents to be
scrutinizing every everything that the schools are saying. You know,
we could do these these types of things to protect kids.
It is proper for parents to scrutinize those. I think though,
once parents hear what those programs are really like, they
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would have a much better comfort level with them because
you know where that father said, you know, strangers with
concealed Carrie, Really, what these folks are is folks that
have been, you know, in your child's school for you know,
years to decades. Typically they are hand picked, they're very
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thoroughly vetted. They are trained in firearms as well as
law enforcement is, and they actually have more requirements on
them from a firearms standpoint throughout the year. So it's
very different than most parents think it is. And you know, gosh,
we've been so busy since Evergreen not just talking to
school boards, but talking to parents like that who say, Hey,
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I'm hearing about this. It makes me really nervous. Can
you tell me more about it? And typically at the
end of those conversations they feel better about it because
they know it's not just you know, people willing really
walking onto campus armed, but it's it's a really deliberate
and well thought out program.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Or carno O guest. I want to follow up on
that point and try to assuage the fear of that
father that we heard, because it sounds like Laura. Once
the information is given and people really know what your
program's about, what an SRO on site would entail, and
that's no longer left to the darkness of misinformation and misinterpretation, they.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
Become more comfortable with it.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
I think part of this is a pr battle too,
both by you and by the public schools that want
SROs in there.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
I just go back to my experience.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Now high school for me would have been late eighties,
early nineties, but I remember in Jackson County, Michigan, we
had a deputy that would stop by. She wasn't there
all the time, and it wasn't much of an issue
back then. In terms of school shootings. But I remember
her name, Deputy Aggie. But one of the things that
was done was building a relationship between the students and
whoever that law enforcement officer is, or whoever the designated
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person might be to be an SRO in that school,
so that the kids felt comfortable going to her, not
just with any other issue, but that she was there
to help them rather than look at them as an adversary.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Yeah, that's exactly right, Ryan. School resource officers, who for
your listeners, are members of police departments or sheriff's offices.
They do a ton of good things. I mean, certainly
they can be there as deterrence to crime or responding
to crime that happens on school campuses, but they also
help to develop, from often from a very young age,
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with these kids, a healthy relationship with law enforcements. You know,
are there bad apples here and there. I mean, you know,
randomly and very occasionally, but for the most part, law
enforcement is an amazing resource for people throughout their whole lives,
and it's good for children to develop to develop that
sort of relationship, including kids who might not have strong
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role models in their in their lives. It's it's really great.
Separate from school resource officers, which you know are expensive,
is the armed school staff members. And these are people
who already work on the campus. They already have a
concealed carry permit, and they are willing to commit again
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handpicked and thoroughly at it, but they're willing to commit
to an extremely rigorous training schedule, not just the annual
training that we do at faster, but ongoing training throughout
the year. And what they provide, whether they're school resource
officers there or not, it's, you know, kind of a
nixed bag out there, but they provide that that canfield carry.
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The bad guy doesn't know who is armed and where
they are, just like you know when you go to
the store or you know, wherever you are in public,
lots of people are consilled caring and bad guys don't
know who. That keeps us safer, because keeping the bad
guys guessing is what's important there.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Laura Carno, executive director of Faster Colorado joining us. You
can find out more about her organization online at Faster
Colorado dot org. On the other side, the far side
of the spectrum, Laura, and we know that this argument
has not aged well the likes of Tay Anderson, who
campaigned to get Soros out of the Denver Public schools entirely,
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and that had dramatically negative effects. And I want to
focus on something that you said, which is in the
wake of the Evergreen High School shooting, that there has
been an increased interest in finding out more about Faster Colorado,
about the training and services that you provide through that organization.
Do you feel that the tide is turning in terms
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of the perception of arming school staff members on a
regular basis, concealed carry and otherwise SROs and schools. Is
this momentum going in the right direction?
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Yeah? I mean it has continued too, Ryan. We're in
our ninth training year now at Faster Colorado, and with
every one of these terrible school shootings, the tide continues
to turn because more and more people, regardless of political ideology,
As you said, this is not a political top this
is a matter of public safety. We continue to get
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more people interested in what's going on. What was interesting though,
after the Evergreen High School shooting, and let's remember it
happened within that same time frame as when Charlie Kirk
was assassinated, I think a lot of people combined their
concern and fear and anger and all of those emotions
for both of those things, and they said this has
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got to stop. And you know what we saw specifically
with a school board member in Jefferson County last night,
who said that safety is a privilege, not a right,
and I could not disagree more. We don't sit around
and wait for our government to dole out our safety
as it sees fit. That's not the country who we
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live in. But since then, it's really been I'm going
to say, ten times the response that we typically get,
and I think that's a very very good thing. I
think what happened at Evergreen, especially since there was a
school resource officer assigned but not there right now, it
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really put a fine point on that idea that when
somebody is there who could stop it, stop a shooting
with equal firepower, and then that person leaves, it leaves
children vulnerable. And I think that point really hit downs.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
For people or Carnel Faster, Colorado Our guest final question, Laura,
you and I have had this conversation before. In fact,
on the day of that shooting in question, like you mentioned,
it coincided with the Charlie Kirk assassination in Utah. You
have expressed frustration in the past about dealings with Jeffco
Public schools and whether or not they would be open
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to at least entertaining the thought of having your training,
your program come into their school district.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Has that changed in the time since.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
Well, And first, folks can find out more at Faster
Colorado dot org gift So I don't forget to say that,
but I'll tell you we haven't had any conversation at
this point with the school district, but the parents of
Jeffco kids are fired the heck up. They had a
school board meeting last night, as you know from that
that news report that you played, and there were lots
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of parents there. They were very organized, they were very professional.
Lots of them brought up armed staff, a couple of
them named checked Faster Colorado in particular, potentially people we've
talked to over the phone to educate them. Parents need
to demand whatever the security they want for their kids,
whether it's arm staff or something else, they need to
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demand that, and school board members need to know that
if they don't do what their constituents want, what their
voters want, that they will be replaced at the next
school board election. And that's how it works. Elections have consequences,
and if you're not listening to your constituents, you know
you might not get rehired.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Find out more about one of the most important programs
in my view in this state at Fastercolorado dot org,
as she stated, follow her on x formerly known as
Twitter at Laura Carno. She is the executive director of
Faster Colorado. Laura always grateful for your time and insights.
Thanks for joining us here today.
Speaker 10 (12:18):
Thanks so much, r.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
To the text line we go five seven seven three
nine from Steve Lyttleton, retired law enforcement officer, thank you
for your service. Steve, the jeff Co school Board is
just parenting the anti two a stance of the Democratic
Party slash teachers union. But then again, Steve, you repeat
yourself and you're exactly right. But I think that common
sense will prevail here and is prevailing that there are
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more and more parents who realize we don't live in
a perfect society.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Would that we did wish that we did, we don't.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
And in order to combat this rash of mental illness,
which I think is a crisis in this country, that
might be an area where some on the left might
be in agreement with me.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
A gun problem, We own a.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Mental health problem in American To combat that, you need
instantaneous response time, which is impossible when a call is
put into the police. No matter who they are, or
where they are, or how good they are, it'll be minutes.
Lives can end in seconds, and you need a first
responder that is on site. This is simple math in
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terms of time, and that's what Laura Carno is promoting
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And then also christ John I'm on poor CNN. Well,
(13:45):
let's do a compare and contrast, shall we. There is
what Vladimer Zelenski says at the White House today, very diplomatic,
very even handed. And then President Trump in about two
to three seconds puts a fine point on the question
that Zelenski was asked.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
This is pretty humorous.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
What do you see is the biggest difference in diplomacy
between President Trump and President Biden.
Speaker 11 (14:15):
President Trump has a big chance now to finish this war.
President Biden now is not the president, so he doesn't
have a chance to finish this war. And President Trump
is really showed for the Wall that he can manage
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his fire in Middle East, and that's why I hope
that he will do this and we will also have
such big success.
Speaker 10 (14:44):
For Ukraine.
Speaker 11 (14:45):
Is a big chance, and I hope that President Trump
can manage it.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
I would say the biggest difference.
Speaker 11 (14:52):
Is one is extremely competent and the other one is
grossly incompetent.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
The difference in diplomacy between President Trump and Joe Biden. Meanwhile,
the former vice president of the United States would be president.
Thank god she lost. But what is Kamala Harris concerned
with these days? Let's listen in they're experiencing.
Speaker 12 (15:15):
What they've coined climate anxiety.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Who is which is their.
Speaker 12 (15:19):
Fear that because of changing in extreme weather that the
future of their lives is very much at sake. My goddaughter,
who's a junior in college right now, was crying to
me just two days ago. No, she wasn't worried about
what is the world going to be for me, Auntie,
she said, when I want to have kids, should I
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even be thinking about having to?
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Things have never happened.
Speaker 12 (15:43):
That's on top of unaffordable, you know, not for her,
but for so many in that generation. They don't aspire
to own a home. They don't believe us within their reach.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Okay, well, there's no way that happened. But two, let's
say that it did. Why are these youngsters, and there,
invariably children at the left, children of the corn, so
consumed with this issue.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
I haven't told an exonstential there.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
We've been told for what the last forty years that
the world was going to end in ten years. So
forty years ago, we were told ten years from then
that the polar ice caps were going to melt and we.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Would all wash into the sea. That didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
And then ten years after that, we were told ten
years later that the world was going to end. And
then Barack Obama bought a whole bunch of beachfront property
at Martha's Vineyard and in Florida. Wait a minute, why
would you do that if you thought everything was going
to be washed away? Plus a couple of three key
points to all of that. And I'm not saying that
our behavior doesn't have any impact on the environment, but
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I think we overestimate our importance on this planet.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
We are but specks of sand.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Because I want to know what human activity caused the
extinction of the dinosaurs.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
There weren't humans at that time.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I want to know what human activity caused the ice age.
There were no humans around at that time. Now there
is a greenhouse effect. The world could be getting slightly warmer,
But you have to measure this not over tens of years,
not even over hundreds of years. We're talking thousands of years.
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And if there's more CO two in the air, that
is more fuel and food for trees and vegetation. Of
what do they do? They give off oxygen that we breathe. Now,
that might moderate our climate, but it is it all
entirely necessarily a bad thing. It's not because extreme cold
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has killed more people on this planet than extreme heat.
And don't take my word for it. You can look
that one up. He brock on a Friday, George Brockler
coming up next? Are they spying on you? In Castle Rock?
Speaker 10 (17:52):
Here?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
In Ryan's Schuling Life.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
Castle are celebrating their ai drone unit. But the drones
come from a company that has not been truthful with
Colorado's about who can access the data they collect our spencer.
Soisher continues his long running coverage of Flock safety and
privacy life flies by.
Speaker 13 (18:19):
This is the technology we use to record the radio
traffic back then.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And if police state warriors wanted a real time reel
of the rapidly changing surveillance technology.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
This was state of the art technology.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Show them this press conference in Castle Rock.
Speaker 13 (18:35):
Jones's first responders is what's next?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
With waivers from the FAA, Castle Rock police are now
flying AI drones at four hundred feet daily without an observer.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
No longer will.
Speaker 13 (18:47):
An officer have to respond to the call, get out
of the car, and then deploy the drone at that location.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
In Castle Rock signed a three year, six hundred k
deal with Flock, the controversial company running license plates canners
across the country and in Colorado and putting that tracking
data in a shareable database.
Speaker 13 (19:06):
And then the pilot housed the opportunity to see the
car that went through that license plate.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
Readers, do you have any federal contracts? We don't.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Flock is the same company that just a few months
ago told US and local police departments that it had
no federal contracts and immigration agents did not have direct
access to license plate data.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Which was not true.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Why should anyone believe that that's not going to happen
with data that you collect on these flights.
Speaker 13 (19:33):
I don't know what you're speaking to, but I can
tell you that we have guardrails in plays, we have
policies and plays.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
And a transparency.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Transparency portal Casslerock now has a website that shows each
flight log online. Both the police Department and Flock say
the drones will collect data differently than the license plate readers,
and the videos taken are subject to the same rules
as bodycam video considered public record, but the potential for
misuse worries privacy advocates like the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
It's a lot of information to have about individuals that
if it's not secure, can do a lot of damage.
Speaker 13 (20:10):
Even back in nineteen eighty four, police officers could access
sensitive information. So you have to have the policies in place,
in a guardrails place, and you have to have a
culture that's not going to allow that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
The Electronic Frontier Foundation is big on the anti police
State stuff, and that researcher we spoke with says one
of their biggest concerns with Flock being the vendor for
these drones is that they already have such a large
customer base on the license play readers, and now they're
getting into the drone first responder market. They wonder what
else could next be added on if.
Speaker 9 (20:40):
Castle Rock PD is being honest that they truly did
not know about existing concerns with Flock that.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Have been widely covered by.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
This media and others, and that they did not know
that Flock has been caught very prominently not telling the
truth about their services.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
That's all.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
That's a pretty telling statement.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, it seems concerning to say the least. They say
that they're not expecting to have any sort of data
collection like they would have had with the license praise readers,
but it's certainly concerting to hear that.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Yet, Yeah, you want to know who they're in business with, right,
you know?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
All right, sench sort sure, thank you and Kyle Clark
Nine News as we start off this third hour of
Ross Kaminski with Ryan Schuling filling in here on KOA.
And now there's two sides to this coin about being
concerned about the surveillance of these drones in Castle Rock.
The first side of that coin, I get from a
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libertarian standpoint Fourth Amendment argument against unreasonable search and seizure,
acquisition of data and how much they are able to
acquire and what they use that for and who they
share that with about the typical Colorado citizen and the
Castle Rock resident.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
On the other side of that coin, though, is what.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
We've heard argued by the likes of Denver mayor Mike Johnston,
which is, hey, wait a minute, we don't want these
drones getting the license plate tag numbers of illegal aliens
and sharing that information with ICE for deportation purposes. Here
to talk about both sides of that coin, he is
the district attorney in the twenty third where this Castle
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Rock Police Department resides. George Brockler, my good friend, joins
us here. George, thanks for your time. What is your
response to what you just heard and to my breaking
it down with the two sides of the coin, Well,
I think.
Speaker 10 (22:25):
You nailed it, and by the way, thanks for having
me on.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Ryan.
Speaker 10 (22:28):
I think you nailed it in terms of the concerns
for people that don't know Castle Rock PD is one
of three police departments and four major law enforcement agencies
that operate within Douglas County. I haven't counted CSP in there,
but you have Laundree, Parker, Castle Rock and Douglas County.
Castle Rock has, for many years, under the chief of
Police's named Jack Cawley, been on the cutting edge of
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technology and data for purposes of making Castle Rock And
you've seen this everywhere. We've talked about it on air.
One of the safest cities in the state to Colorado
and this region of the country. So it doesn't shock
me at all that they have pushed forward with an
effort to try to go to that next level in
an effort to guarantee more safety for the community and
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for their own law enforcement officers. I too, am a
little freaked out by the idea that we're rapidly getting
to a place where government monitors and does stuff with
all of our movements. But this isn't that I don't
see this that way. We accumulate a ton of personal
information on people all the time, and that information is
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stored in databases that are they hackable by the Chinese
or some nerdy kid in his mom's basement. I guess
they are, and that happens from time to time, but
that doesn't cause anyone to say that's it. We're done
collecting the information. We look for ways to make it
safer and to keep it under control. I think that's
what's going on with this Flock thing. I think this
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Flock drone project, it's a pilot project for them. I
think it is a force multiplier, which means rather than
hire one hundred officers to do the exact same thing,
and that is to come over to the area every
time there's a call on something, they can launch a
drone that can get there faster, safer, doesn't have to
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zip through traffic, doesn't have to run code, drive through intersections,
none of that, and can start providing real time information
to the men and women we entrust to make sure
that the situation is safe and know what they're getting into.
That to me, is the issue in a nutshell. I
don't see the problem with a lot of people that
say I'm a post to flock. I'm opposed to the
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license plate readers think that there's some Chinese government out
there who is monitoring all of these Americans movements and
stuff like that. You're going to have to give me
one second here, Ryan, I'm sorry forgive me man.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Yeah, and I'll fill in the blanks.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Right here is George Brockler, our guest, twenty third District attorney.
What Kyle Clark gives voice to there in the aftermath
of that package is again this libertarian argument, Fourth Amendment based,
at least if we're taking it in good spirit against
unreasonable search and seizure that flock, this particular brand, this
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system that Castle Rock PD has signed up for, has
not been entirely truthful or forthcoming in terms of who
they are sharing the data with. And I have to
imagine the conclusion there is ice regarding illegal aliens. But
again getting to that more noble argument about American citizens
who have the right protected against unreasonable search and seizures
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without probable cause. A lot of this comes from me personally, George,
and I know that you share this concern. You just
said so from the Patriot Act about you know, in
your best interest, we want to ensure your safety and security,
you're going to have to sacrifice a little bit of
liberty and freedom in exchange for that. And we saw
some of the dark side of that as a result
of the Patriot Act, and unless I am a suspect,
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unless there is probable cause for me I'm talking about
me personally, for there to be some kind and a
surveillance against me to use that information, I am a
little uncomfortable with that.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
What do you speak to in terms of that concern.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
Yeah, listen, the Patriot X stuff is real. The FISA
warrants those things freaked me out as well. And we
need to have incredible scrutinial over this. And I should
say this too, I want to have privacy rights organizations
out there cooking holes in all of this and scrutinizing
the hell out of it, because I don't take for
granted what the potential implific implications and ramifications for this are.
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It's a big deal. But having said that, the use
that they're going to have right now is one that
I can't see a downside to. With the information that's available.
The chief said, hey, look, we have these protocols, these guidelines.
This information isn't just something that we dump out into
the public stream for others to use. We don't use
it to follow people home, unless of course, they're fleeing
a crime. I just don't have the same concerns. Having
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said that, the reason we push into areas like this,
in these pilot product like this, so that we can
test is it effective, is it a force multiplier, is
it a positive? And what are the downsides? And can
we fix the downside or do we have to scrap
the whole thing? I think at the end of the day,
And by the way, one thing I found humorous about
Channel nine's reporting was they were a gast the chief
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colleague did not know about their reporting on flock heads up. Man,
you guys aren't number one in the market anymore. I
don't know how many people watch nine News, but it
doesn't shock me that Jack or anyone else wouldn't know that.
But at the end of the day, this is a
model worth trying out and seeing whether it can be
positively done. I think your other point was spot on, Ryan,
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which is, at the end of the day, the people
that are freaked out about this aren't the people that
are afraid of big government. Those lefties are afraid. My god,
what if they catch criminals, What if they catch illegal aliens?
And if you got right down to it and you
shared a hookah pipe with them, at some point, they're
going to tell you at the end of the day,
we don't think it's fair that law enforcement has the
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upper hand when it comes to law enforcement. We think
we had to go back to the days where guys
have to stand on the side of the road and
by hands scribble down license plate numbers, which they could
do because everybody's in public. I just don't see this
as being a risk not worth taking to see where
it goes.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Come for the legal analysis, stay for the hookah pipes.
George Brockler our guests, twenty third District Attorney George. Always
great catching up with you. Thanks for your input on
this story, Buddy.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Thanks one more thing.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
I am right now. The little delay was I had
to park. I'm right now. The International Association for Chiefs
of Police are meeting in Denver, huge, huge organization meeting
for Denver this year. Chief Collie is giving a presentation.
I imagine this will be part of it at this thing,
but this is a big deal in law enforcement. Tech
is here to stay.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Good to know.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Might follow up with you on that outing on Monday.
Have a great weekend, George.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Thanks Buddy, Bye.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
And Neka neck Race for our Friday fool a week
still time to vote five seven seven three nine AOC
zoron Mamdani Christian Amanpour. Send those votes along five seven
seven three nine and we'll get Zach's final thought on
this big deal involving Red Zone and NFL Network.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
After this on.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Ryan Schruling Life, go into your text lines here. We
got to break this tie five seven seven three nine.
This Texter, as Michael Danger Brown calls him, my vote
is for Zoefran. Well that's not enough to tip the scales.
But this one is from Donna. I vote for AOC.
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She says, great job as usual, covering for Ross and
doing double duty forgot to edit that out of my
conversation with George Brockler. Folks, it's been a long day.
Cut me some slack, but can't cut any for AOC
as she is our fool of the week.
Speaker 14 (29:43):
And they are able to radicalize and target and exploit
a generation of young boys, in particular away from healthy
masculinity and into an insecure masculinity that reques wires the
domination of others who are poorer, browner, darker, or.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
A different gender than them.
Speaker 14 (30:06):
Come on, and that is why they are resonating online,
because they are appealing to the most basest and worst
parts of human nature.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
To divide aoc R fool of the week and turning
now to very healthy form of masculinity.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Zach.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Seeger's gen z and this news breaking out of the NFL.
They're dealing their broadcast rights for Red Zone and NFL Network,
as well as other programs to ESPN in exchange for
equity quote that is potentially worth billions. Sources telling The
Athletic that ESPN is expected to have access to Red Zone,
NFL networks, seven more regular season games, the NFL's fantasy
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football business, as well as the potential to integrate special
features including betting and potentially more assets. Programs will be
available via ESPN's forthcoming direct to consumer service that will
formerly launch in the next few weeks. It'll cost twenty
nine to ninety nine month. Wow how much you pay
for any other app. Pricing for NFL media programs unknown
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as the deals duration is still being determined. Regulatory approval
is expected to take nine months to one year.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Zach, your reaction.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I think the more concerning part of this is what
it means for ESPN, not the NFL. I know some
people are worried about Red Zone the ads that have
been added in this year are actually a product of
the NFL. The NFL is still managing it and they're
just kind of hoping ESPN takes the fall for the
new ads, But that's entirely the NFL's doing. I think
the greater concern is that as part of this, as
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you mentioned, the NFL now has an ownership stake in ESPN. Right,
ESPN used to kind of NFL network is not going
to report harshly on the NFL.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
You needed ESPN for that.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Well, now who owns ESPN the NFL. You're not going
to get a harsh critique of the NFL from ESPN.
They're not going to hold the NFL accountable anymore.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
How about that thirty dollars a month price tag just
for that one app that's going to be jacked up
in price.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Ah, they know football is the one thing in America
that sells better than anything else.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Right now, it sells very well.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
And of course you can catch all the Broncos coverage
on your home for the Denver Broncos on the radio
KOA Zach Seger is a big part of that coverage
most weeks as well. That'll do it for me from
here for now. I have a great weekend. Everybody join
me Monday on Ryan Chruling Live
It was not on the agenda, but it didn't matter
to the dozens of people who all signed up to
give public comment. And as for the Jefferson School Board,
they did their best to make sure that everybody got
a chance to talk. Now, this was a meeting that
did get emotional at times. We saw some people shedding
a tier, even a few school board members as well.
There was even an Evergreen student here who spoke about
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their experience the day of the shooting. Now tonight, many
families criticize the board for a lack of school resource
officers in the district after there was not a permanent
SORO at Evergreen on the time of the shooting. Now
there has been a permanent SORO assigned to Evergreens since then.
But tonight many people pushed for all Jefferson County schools
to have full time soros. Other people talked about different
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solutions to keep students safe and build back trust with
parents in the district.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
At the end of the day, it comes down to
one simple question, would you rather walk through meltal toucher
or run for your life.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, in Jefferson County, where we've piloted SRO programs, they've
built bridges, officers unseling at risk youth, spotting red flags
before they flare. Imagine one at every high school, middle school,
and elementary school.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I hear a lot of more guns, more guns, more
police officers.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm telling you right now, you put strangers in schools
with concealed carries. My kid ain't going to your school.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
You cannot lead through a trauma like that with emails
and surveys. There has been no available engagement, availability, engagement,
or empathy on a personal level from anybody at the
district office.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
After public comments and Night School, but board members did
thank everyone for sharing their thoughts. They also let them
know that there were mental health resources here on site
at the education building for anybody that may need it.
Live in Golden Golden Chows nine News.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
And our thanks to Night News Golden chob Is for
that report and those sound bites. To me, this should
be pretty close to a one hundred zero issue. I
know that it's not, but it doesn't even feel political
to me. You would rather have a dead cad SRO
in a public school than not give me the reason
for not. Oh, the kids, they're scary. It feels like
they're walking into a prison. Well, how about a secured facility.
(02:10):
I know wherever I go if I see an armed
police officer.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
If I'm a customer at.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
A grocery store and I see that in Greenwood Village,
when I go to King Soupers, I feel better about it.
I know that there's not going to be any nonsense
going on at that store where I'm shopping, that shoplifting
won't escalate into something else. I'm kind of a robbery
for instance. I don't see where less is more in
this case. In the wake of the Evergreen High School shooting,
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we know that one of the shooting victims was just
released from the hospital having suffered very severe injuries, and
joining us now in her effort to put SROs in
all public schools in Colorado, including the training of personnel
and staff at said public schools. Laura Carno, you can
follow her on x at that very handle at Laura Carno.
(02:59):
She's the executve director of Faster Colorado and she joins
us now.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
Laura, thank you for your time.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
Sure, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 9 (03:05):
Ryan.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I want to focus and perhaps you heard it on
the father.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I believe it was a father that we heard in
the public comment portion of that jeff Co School Board
meeting that said, if you put strangers with concealed weapons
and schools, I won't be sending my kids there. I
couldn't think of a more off the mark read of
what you are striving for with your program at Faster
Colorado than that.
Speaker 8 (03:27):
Yeah, and certainly it's it's fine for parents to be
scrutinizing every everything that the schools are saying. You know,
we could do these these types of things to protect kids.
It is proper for parents to scrutinize those. I think though,
once parents hear what those programs are really like, they
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would have a much better comfort level with them because
you know where that father said, you know, strangers with
concealed Carrie, Really, what these folks are is folks that
have been, you know, in your child's school for you know,
years to decades. Typically they are hand picked, they're very
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thoroughly vetted. They are trained in firearms as well as
law enforcement is, and they actually have more requirements on
them from a firearms standpoint throughout the year. So it's
very different than most parents think it is. And you know, gosh,
we've been so busy since Evergreen not just talking to
school boards, but talking to parents like that who say, Hey,
(04:34):
I'm hearing about this. It makes me really nervous. Can
you tell me more about it? And typically at the
end of those conversations they feel better about it because
they know it's not just you know, people willing really
walking onto campus armed, but it's it's a really deliberate
and well thought out program.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Or carno O guest. I want to follow up on
that point and try to assuage the fear of that
father that we heard, because it sounds like Laura. Once
the information is given and people really know what your
program's about, what an SRO on site would entail, and
that's no longer left to the darkness of misinformation and misinterpretation, they.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
Become more comfortable with it.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
I think part of this is a pr battle too,
both by you and by the public schools that want
SROs in there.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
I just go back to my experience.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Now high school for me would have been late eighties,
early nineties, but I remember in Jackson County, Michigan, we
had a deputy that would stop by. She wasn't there
all the time, and it wasn't much of an issue
back then. In terms of school shootings. But I remember
her name, Deputy Aggie. But one of the things that
was done was building a relationship between the students and
whoever that law enforcement officer is, or whoever the designated
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person might be to be an SRO in that school,
so that the kids felt comfortable going to her, not
just with any other issue, but that she was there
to help them rather than look at them as an adversary.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Yeah, that's exactly right, Ryan. School resource officers, who for
your listeners, are members of police departments or sheriff's offices.
They do a ton of good things. I mean, certainly
they can be there as deterrence to crime or responding
to crime that happens on school campuses, but they also
help to develop, from often from a very young age,
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with these kids, a healthy relationship with law enforcements. You know,
are there bad apples here and there. I mean, you know,
randomly and very occasionally, but for the most part, law
enforcement is an amazing resource for people throughout their whole lives,
and it's good for children to develop to develop that
sort of relationship, including kids who might not have strong
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role models in their in their lives. It's it's really great.
Separate from school resource officers, which you know are expensive,
is the armed school staff members. And these are people
who already work on the campus. They already have a
concealed carry permit, and they are willing to commit again
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handpicked and thoroughly at it, but they're willing to commit
to an extremely rigorous training schedule, not just the annual
training that we do at faster, but ongoing training throughout
the year. And what they provide, whether they're school resource
officers there or not, it's, you know, kind of a
nixed bag out there, but they provide that that canfield carry.
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The bad guy doesn't know who is armed and where
they are, just like you know when you go to
the store or you know, wherever you are in public,
lots of people are consilled caring and bad guys don't
know who. That keeps us safer, because keeping the bad
guys guessing is what's important there.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Laura Carno, executive director of Faster Colorado joining us. You
can find out more about her organization online at Faster
Colorado dot org. On the other side, the far side
of the spectrum, Laura, and we know that this argument
has not aged well the likes of Tay Anderson, who
campaigned to get Soros out of the Denver Public schools entirely,
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and that had dramatically negative effects. And I want to
focus on something that you said, which is in the
wake of the Evergreen High School shooting, that there has
been an increased interest in finding out more about Faster Colorado,
about the training and services that you provide through that organization.
Do you feel that the tide is turning in terms
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of the perception of arming school staff members on a
regular basis, concealed carry and otherwise SROs and schools. Is
this momentum going in the right direction?
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Yeah? I mean it has continued too, Ryan. We're in
our ninth training year now at Faster Colorado, and with
every one of these terrible school shootings, the tide continues
to turn because more and more people, regardless of political ideology,
As you said, this is not a political top this
is a matter of public safety. We continue to get
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more people interested in what's going on. What was interesting though,
after the Evergreen High School shooting, and let's remember it
happened within that same time frame as when Charlie Kirk
was assassinated, I think a lot of people combined their
concern and fear and anger and all of those emotions
for both of those things, and they said this has
(09:27):
got to stop. And you know what we saw specifically
with a school board member in Jefferson County last night,
who said that safety is a privilege, not a right,
and I could not disagree more. We don't sit around
and wait for our government to dole out our safety
as it sees fit. That's not the country who we
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live in. But since then, it's really been I'm going
to say, ten times the response that we typically get,
and I think that's a very very good thing. I
think what happened at Evergreen, especially since there was a
school resource officer assigned but not there right now, it
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really put a fine point on that idea that when
somebody is there who could stop it, stop a shooting
with equal firepower, and then that person leaves, it leaves
children vulnerable. And I think that point really hit downs.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
For people or Carnel Faster, Colorado Our guest final question, Laura,
you and I have had this conversation before. In fact,
on the day of that shooting in question, like you mentioned,
it coincided with the Charlie Kirk assassination in Utah. You
have expressed frustration in the past about dealings with Jeffco
Public schools and whether or not they would be open
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to at least entertaining the thought of having your training,
your program come into their school district.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Has that changed in the time since.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
Well, And first, folks can find out more at Faster
Colorado dot org gift So I don't forget to say that,
but I'll tell you we haven't had any conversation at
this point with the school district, but the parents of
Jeffco kids are fired the heck up. They had a
school board meeting last night, as you know from that
that news report that you played, and there were lots
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of parents there. They were very organized, they were very professional.
Lots of them brought up armed staff, a couple of
them named checked Faster Colorado in particular, potentially people we've
talked to over the phone to educate them. Parents need
to demand whatever the security they want for their kids,
whether it's arm staff or something else, they need to
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demand that, and school board members need to know that
if they don't do what their constituents want, what their
voters want, that they will be replaced at the next
school board election. And that's how it works. Elections have consequences,
and if you're not listening to your constituents, you know
you might not get rehired.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Find out more about one of the most important programs
in my view in this state at Fastercolorado dot org,
as she stated, follow her on x formerly known as
Twitter at Laura Carno. She is the executive director of
Faster Colorado. Laura always grateful for your time and insights.
Thanks for joining us here today.
Speaker 10 (12:18):
Thanks so much, r.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
To the text line we go five seven seven three
nine from Steve Lyttleton, retired law enforcement officer, thank you
for your service. Steve, the jeff Co school Board is
just parenting the anti two a stance of the Democratic
Party slash teachers union. But then again, Steve, you repeat
yourself and you're exactly right. But I think that common
sense will prevail here and is prevailing that there are
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more and more parents who realize we don't live in
a perfect society.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Would that we did wish that we did, we don't.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
And in order to combat this rash of mental illness,
which I think is a crisis in this country, that
might be an area where some on the left might
be in agreement with me.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
A gun problem, We own a.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Mental health problem in American To combat that, you need
instantaneous response time, which is impossible when a call is
put into the police. No matter who they are, or
where they are, or how good they are, it'll be minutes.
Lives can end in seconds, and you need a first
responder that is on site. This is simple math in
(13:21):
terms of time, and that's what Laura Carno is promoting
in five seven seven, three nine. You can also vote
for our Friday Full of the Week the nominees AOC
don't mess with the zor En Mamdani, the mural candidate.
He was involved in a debate last night and met
a to buying weed legally of course, but explains a lot.
And then also christ John I'm on poor CNN. Well,
(13:45):
let's do a compare and contrast, shall we. There is
what Vladimer Zelenski says at the White House today, very diplomatic,
very even handed. And then President Trump in about two
to three seconds puts a fine point on the question
that Zelenski was asked.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
This is pretty humorous.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
What do you see is the biggest difference in diplomacy
between President Trump and President Biden.
Speaker 11 (14:15):
President Trump has a big chance now to finish this war.
President Biden now is not the president, so he doesn't
have a chance to finish this war. And President Trump
is really showed for the Wall that he can manage
(14:36):
his fire in Middle East, and that's why I hope
that he will do this and we will also have
such big success.
Speaker 10 (14:44):
For Ukraine.
Speaker 11 (14:45):
Is a big chance, and I hope that President Trump
can manage it.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
I would say the biggest difference.
Speaker 11 (14:52):
Is one is extremely competent and the other one is
grossly incompetent.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
The difference in diplomacy between President Trump and Joe Biden. Meanwhile,
the former vice president of the United States would be president.
Thank god she lost. But what is Kamala Harris concerned
with these days? Let's listen in they're experiencing.
Speaker 12 (15:15):
What they've coined climate anxiety.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Who is which is their.
Speaker 12 (15:19):
Fear that because of changing in extreme weather that the
future of their lives is very much at sake. My goddaughter,
who's a junior in college right now, was crying to
me just two days ago. No, she wasn't worried about
what is the world going to be for me, Auntie,
she said, when I want to have kids, should I
(15:40):
even be thinking about having to?
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Things have never happened.
Speaker 12 (15:43):
That's on top of unaffordable, you know, not for her,
but for so many in that generation. They don't aspire
to own a home. They don't believe us within their reach.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Okay, well, there's no way that happened. But two, let's
say that it did. Why are these youngsters, and there,
invariably children at the left, children of the corn, so
consumed with this issue.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
I haven't told an exonstential there.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
We've been told for what the last forty years that
the world was going to end in ten years. So
forty years ago, we were told ten years from then
that the polar ice caps were going to melt and we.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Would all wash into the sea. That didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
And then ten years after that, we were told ten
years later that the world was going to end. And
then Barack Obama bought a whole bunch of beachfront property
at Martha's Vineyard and in Florida. Wait a minute, why
would you do that if you thought everything was going
to be washed away? Plus a couple of three key
points to all of that. And I'm not saying that
our behavior doesn't have any impact on the environment, but
(16:45):
I think we overestimate our importance on this planet.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
We are but specks of sand.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Because I want to know what human activity caused the
extinction of the dinosaurs.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
There weren't humans at that time.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I want to know what human activity caused the ice age.
There were no humans around at that time. Now there
is a greenhouse effect. The world could be getting slightly warmer,
But you have to measure this not over tens of years,
not even over hundreds of years. We're talking thousands of years.
(17:17):
And if there's more CO two in the air, that
is more fuel and food for trees and vegetation. Of
what do they do? They give off oxygen that we breathe. Now,
that might moderate our climate, but it is it all
entirely necessarily a bad thing. It's not because extreme cold
(17:39):
has killed more people on this planet than extreme heat.
And don't take my word for it. You can look
that one up. He brock on a Friday, George Brockler
coming up next? Are they spying on you? In Castle Rock?
Speaker 10 (17:52):
Here?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
In Ryan's Schuling Life.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
Castle are celebrating their ai drone unit. But the drones
come from a company that has not been truthful with
Colorado's about who can access the data they collect our spencer.
Soisher continues his long running coverage of Flock safety and
privacy life flies by.
Speaker 13 (18:19):
This is the technology we use to record the radio
traffic back then.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And if police state warriors wanted a real time reel
of the rapidly changing surveillance technology.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
This was state of the art technology.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Show them this press conference in Castle Rock.
Speaker 13 (18:35):
Jones's first responders is what's next?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
With waivers from the FAA, Castle Rock police are now
flying AI drones at four hundred feet daily without an observer.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
No longer will.
Speaker 13 (18:47):
An officer have to respond to the call, get out
of the car, and then deploy the drone at that location.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
In Castle Rock signed a three year, six hundred k
deal with Flock, the controversial company running license plates canners
across the country and in Colorado and putting that tracking
data in a shareable database.
Speaker 13 (19:06):
And then the pilot housed the opportunity to see the
car that went through that license plate.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
Readers, do you have any federal contracts? We don't.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Flock is the same company that just a few months
ago told US and local police departments that it had
no federal contracts and immigration agents did not have direct
access to license plate data.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Which was not true.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Why should anyone believe that that's not going to happen
with data that you collect on these flights.
Speaker 13 (19:33):
I don't know what you're speaking to, but I can
tell you that we have guardrails in plays, we have
policies and plays.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
And a transparency.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Transparency portal Casslerock now has a website that shows each
flight log online. Both the police Department and Flock say
the drones will collect data differently than the license plate readers,
and the videos taken are subject to the same rules
as bodycam video considered public record, but the potential for
misuse worries privacy advocates like the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
It's a lot of information to have about individuals that
if it's not secure, can do a lot of damage.
Speaker 13 (20:10):
Even back in nineteen eighty four, police officers could access
sensitive information. So you have to have the policies in place,
in a guardrails place, and you have to have a
culture that's not going to allow that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
The Electronic Frontier Foundation is big on the anti police
State stuff, and that researcher we spoke with says one
of their biggest concerns with Flock being the vendor for
these drones is that they already have such a large
customer base on the license play readers, and now they're
getting into the drone first responder market. They wonder what
else could next be added on if.
Speaker 9 (20:40):
Castle Rock PD is being honest that they truly did
not know about existing concerns with Flock that.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Have been widely covered by.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
This media and others, and that they did not know
that Flock has been caught very prominently not telling the
truth about their services.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
That's all.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
That's a pretty telling statement.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, it seems concerning to say the least. They say
that they're not expecting to have any sort of data
collection like they would have had with the license praise readers,
but it's certainly concerting to hear that.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Yet, Yeah, you want to know who they're in business with, right,
you know?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
All right, sench sort sure, thank you and Kyle Clark
Nine News as we start off this third hour of
Ross Kaminski with Ryan Schuling filling in here on KOA.
And now there's two sides to this coin about being
concerned about the surveillance of these drones in Castle Rock.
The first side of that coin, I get from a
(21:30):
libertarian standpoint Fourth Amendment argument against unreasonable search and seizure,
acquisition of data and how much they are able to
acquire and what they use that for and who they
share that with about the typical Colorado citizen and the
Castle Rock resident.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
On the other side of that coin, though, is what.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
We've heard argued by the likes of Denver mayor Mike Johnston,
which is, hey, wait a minute, we don't want these
drones getting the license plate tag numbers of illegal aliens
and sharing that information with ICE for deportation purposes. Here
to talk about both sides of that coin, he is
the district attorney in the twenty third where this Castle
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Rock Police Department resides. George Brockler, my good friend, joins
us here. George, thanks for your time. What is your
response to what you just heard and to my breaking
it down with the two sides of the coin, Well,
I think.
Speaker 10 (22:25):
You nailed it, and by the way, thanks for having
me on.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Ryan.
Speaker 10 (22:28):
I think you nailed it in terms of the concerns
for people that don't know Castle Rock PD is one
of three police departments and four major law enforcement agencies
that operate within Douglas County. I haven't counted CSP in there,
but you have Laundree, Parker, Castle Rock and Douglas County.
Castle Rock has, for many years, under the chief of
Police's named Jack Cawley, been on the cutting edge of
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technology and data for purposes of making Castle Rock And
you've seen this everywhere. We've talked about it on air.
One of the safest cities in the state to Colorado
and this region of the country. So it doesn't shock
me at all that they have pushed forward with an
effort to try to go to that next level in
an effort to guarantee more safety for the community and
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for their own law enforcement officers. I too, am a
little freaked out by the idea that we're rapidly getting
to a place where government monitors and does stuff with
all of our movements. But this isn't that I don't
see this that way. We accumulate a ton of personal
information on people all the time, and that information is
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stored in databases that are they hackable by the Chinese
or some nerdy kid in his mom's basement. I guess
they are, and that happens from time to time, but
that doesn't cause anyone to say that's it. We're done
collecting the information. We look for ways to make it
safer and to keep it under control. I think that's
what's going on with this Flock thing. I think this
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Flock drone project, it's a pilot project for them. I
think it is a force multiplier, which means rather than
hire one hundred officers to do the exact same thing,
and that is to come over to the area every
time there's a call on something, they can launch a
drone that can get there faster, safer, doesn't have to
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zip through traffic, doesn't have to run code, drive through intersections,
none of that, and can start providing real time information
to the men and women we entrust to make sure
that the situation is safe and know what they're getting into.
That to me, is the issue in a nutshell. I
don't see the problem with a lot of people that
say I'm a post to flock. I'm opposed to the
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license plate readers think that there's some Chinese government out
there who is monitoring all of these Americans movements and
stuff like that. You're going to have to give me
one second here, Ryan, I'm sorry forgive me man.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Yeah, and I'll fill in the blanks.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Right here is George Brockler, our guest, twenty third District attorney.
What Kyle Clark gives voice to there in the aftermath
of that package is again this libertarian argument, Fourth Amendment based,
at least if we're taking it in good spirit against
unreasonable search and seizure that flock, this particular brand, this
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system that Castle Rock PD has signed up for, has
not been entirely truthful or forthcoming in terms of who
they are sharing the data with. And I have to
imagine the conclusion there is ice regarding illegal aliens. But
again getting to that more noble argument about American citizens
who have the right protected against unreasonable search and seizures
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without probable cause. A lot of this comes from me personally, George,
and I know that you share this concern. You just
said so from the Patriot Act about you know, in
your best interest, we want to ensure your safety and security,
you're going to have to sacrifice a little bit of
liberty and freedom in exchange for that. And we saw
some of the dark side of that as a result
of the Patriot Act, and unless I am a suspect,
(25:55):
unless there is probable cause for me I'm talking about
me personally, for there to be some kind and a
surveillance against me to use that information, I am a
little uncomfortable with that.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
What do you speak to in terms of that concern.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
Yeah, listen, the Patriot X stuff is real. The FISA
warrants those things freaked me out as well. And we
need to have incredible scrutinial over this. And I should
say this too, I want to have privacy rights organizations
out there cooking holes in all of this and scrutinizing
the hell out of it, because I don't take for
granted what the potential implific implications and ramifications for this are.
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It's a big deal. But having said that, the use
that they're going to have right now is one that
I can't see a downside to. With the information that's available.
The chief said, hey, look, we have these protocols, these guidelines.
This information isn't just something that we dump out into
the public stream for others to use. We don't use
it to follow people home, unless of course, they're fleeing
a crime. I just don't have the same concerns. Having
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said that, the reason we push into areas like this,
in these pilot product like this, so that we can
test is it effective, is it a force multiplier, is
it a positive? And what are the downsides? And can
we fix the downside or do we have to scrap
the whole thing? I think at the end of the day,
And by the way, one thing I found humorous about
Channel nine's reporting was they were a gast the chief
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colleague did not know about their reporting on flock heads up. Man,
you guys aren't number one in the market anymore. I
don't know how many people watch nine News, but it
doesn't shock me that Jack or anyone else wouldn't know that.
But at the end of the day, this is a
model worth trying out and seeing whether it can be
positively done. I think your other point was spot on, Ryan,
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which is, at the end of the day, the people
that are freaked out about this aren't the people that
are afraid of big government. Those lefties are afraid. My god,
what if they catch criminals, What if they catch illegal aliens?
And if you got right down to it and you
shared a hookah pipe with them, at some point, they're
going to tell you at the end of the day,
we don't think it's fair that law enforcement has the
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upper hand when it comes to law enforcement. We think
we had to go back to the days where guys
have to stand on the side of the road and
by hands scribble down license plate numbers, which they could
do because everybody's in public. I just don't see this
as being a risk not worth taking to see where
it goes.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Come for the legal analysis, stay for the hookah pipes.
George Brockler our guests, twenty third District Attorney George. Always
great catching up with you. Thanks for your input on
this story, Buddy.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Thanks one more thing.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
I am right now. The little delay was I had
to park. I'm right now. The International Association for Chiefs
of Police are meeting in Denver, huge, huge organization meeting
for Denver this year. Chief Collie is giving a presentation.
I imagine this will be part of it at this thing,
but this is a big deal in law enforcement. Tech
is here to stay.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Good to know.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Might follow up with you on that outing on Monday.
Have a great weekend, George.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Thanks Buddy, Bye.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
And Neka neck Race for our Friday fool a week
still time to vote five seven seven three nine AOC
zoron Mamdani Christian Amanpour. Send those votes along five seven
seven three nine and we'll get Zach's final thought on
this big deal involving Red Zone and NFL Network.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
After this on.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Ryan Schruling Life, go into your text lines here. We
got to break this tie five seven seven three nine.
This Texter, as Michael Danger Brown calls him, my vote
is for Zoefran. Well that's not enough to tip the scales.
But this one is from Donna. I vote for AOC.
(29:31):
She says, great job as usual, covering for Ross and
doing double duty forgot to edit that out of my
conversation with George Brockler. Folks, it's been a long day.
Cut me some slack, but can't cut any for AOC
as she is our fool of the week.
Speaker 14 (29:43):
And they are able to radicalize and target and exploit
a generation of young boys, in particular away from healthy
masculinity and into an insecure masculinity that reques wires the
domination of others who are poorer, browner, darker, or.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
A different gender than them.
Speaker 14 (30:06):
Come on, and that is why they are resonating online,
because they are appealing to the most basest and worst
parts of human nature.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
To divide aoc R fool of the week and turning
now to very healthy form of masculinity.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Zach.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Seeger's gen z and this news breaking out of the NFL.
They're dealing their broadcast rights for Red Zone and NFL Network,
as well as other programs to ESPN in exchange for
equity quote that is potentially worth billions. Sources telling The
Athletic that ESPN is expected to have access to Red Zone,
NFL networks, seven more regular season games, the NFL's fantasy
(30:45):
football business, as well as the potential to integrate special
features including betting and potentially more assets. Programs will be
available via ESPN's forthcoming direct to consumer service that will
formerly launch in the next few weeks. It'll cost twenty
nine to ninety nine month. Wow how much you pay
for any other app. Pricing for NFL media programs unknown
(31:06):
as the deals duration is still being determined. Regulatory approval
is expected to take nine months to one year.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Zach, your reaction.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I think the more concerning part of this is what
it means for ESPN, not the NFL. I know some
people are worried about Red Zone the ads that have
been added in this year are actually a product of
the NFL. The NFL is still managing it and they're
just kind of hoping ESPN takes the fall for the
new ads, But that's entirely the NFL's doing. I think
the greater concern is that as part of this, as
(31:35):
you mentioned, the NFL now has an ownership stake in ESPN. Right,
ESPN used to kind of NFL network is not going
to report harshly on the NFL.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
You needed ESPN for that.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Well, now who owns ESPN the NFL. You're not going
to get a harsh critique of the NFL from ESPN.
They're not going to hold the NFL accountable anymore.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
How about that thirty dollars a month price tag just
for that one app that's going to be jacked up
in price.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Ah, they know football is the one thing in America
that sells better than anything else.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Right now, it sells very well.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
And of course you can catch all the Broncos coverage
on your home for the Denver Broncos on the radio
KOA Zach Seger is a big part of that coverage
most weeks as well. That'll do it for me from
here for now. I have a great weekend. Everybody join
me Monday on Ryan Chruling Live
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