Leland Conway, co-host of 'Conway & Larson' on KOGO San Diego, joins Ryan with his libertarian take on the Consitutionality of red-light cameras being installed in Thornton and throughout Colorado, and how good intentions are often followed by unintentional consequences infringing on our rights as Americans.
Denver area police look to reduce deadly crashes with red light cameras
Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams joins Ryan to promote his upcoming campaign event on Wednesday in Greeley, as he launches his bid for Commissioner after retiring from law enforcement. George Brauchler will also be in attendance and participating in a discussion forum with Sheriff Reams, and Ryan will be moderating the event.
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Denver area police look to reduce deadly crashes with red light cameras
Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams joins Ryan to promote his upcoming campaign event on Wednesday in Greeley, as he launches his bid for Commissioner after retiring from law enforcement. George Brauchler will also be in attendance and participating in a discussion forum with Sheriff Reams, and Ryan will be moderating the event.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Following developments around two dangerous intersections in Thornton and many
crashes due to people running lights. Thornton police say over
the last fifteen months, there have been twenty three crashes
at eighty eighth Avenue in Washington Street and thirty three
collisions at one hundred and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard.
Your reporter in Adams County, GABRIELLEA. Vigal, spoke to police
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about their efforts to keep drivers from running those red lights.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
On these streets. It doesn't pay to be in a
big hurry.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Speed has not just taken the small light.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
He really took a big piece when he's a Christian.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But it's also taken lives.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
My biggest thing is just honoring him the ways that
I can. That's what kind of helps keep me saying.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It was just seven months ago when a car hit
and killed thirty five year old Christians on the Mania
after an eighteen year old was accused of running a
red light at one hundred and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard.
The father Forrest family have previously spoken with CBS Colorado
wanting more accountability on the roads.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Portunate that we have individuals out here that just really
take life for granted in that way because they're putting
not just you know, yourself in danger, but that could
have been anybody.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Now, it's these cameras that could be the ticket to
preventing crashes on two of Thornton's most notorious intersections.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
The hope for the intention is to get people to
not run the red light and therefore reduce the crashes.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
CBS Colorado followed along as crews installed sixteen cameras at
eighty eighth Avenue in Washington Street, which will be used
to detect drivers in any direction who run a red light.
This pilot program will also include cameras at one hundred
and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard, the same intersection where
Santa Madia lost his life.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
We have to have a thirty day advertising period and
then the first thirty days that these are operational, they
will be issuing just warnings, and then after that thirty
day warning period then live citations will come out.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
But once these cameras behind me are up and running
and issuing tickets, people who do on a red light
here will receive a seventy five dollars fine in the mail,
which police say we'll go towards paying back for these
cameras in this pilot program and hopefully more cameras at
other intersections in the future.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
This is a civil penalty basically, so unlike if a
police officer wrote you a ticket and hand you to
you where there's points, a sign against your license and
everything else, these don't have that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Deputy Chief Paul Hawkins says it's a price he hopes
will encourage drivers to take driving seriously and prevent crashes
here from becoming the norm.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
There's a lot of people who appreciate what they're for
and the intent, and would like to see them in
other places if they were in Thornton.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Gabriel Lavidel covering Colinal First.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
For CBS Colorado four back here on Ryan Shuling Live
taking off our second hour with this topic. Is Thornton
looking to reduce deadly crashes in these intersections by installing
these cameras red light cameras.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Now we have one right near my place of work here.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
At iHeart Denver at the intersection of Bellevue and Quebec,
and luckily knock on wood knocking on my own dome
there made out of wood. I have not been caught.
I've seen many people though. You see those little flashing
lights right that the camera's going off, and it's shuddering
of people that try to take liberties.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And go through it when it's like not just yellow
but orange red, a little bit red.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
You don't want to do that at that intersection or
any of these others that you know these cameras are installed.
The argument against it, and my next guest, who I
hope to be joined by in just mere moments, Leland Conway,
libertarian argument against it is that this is another row
step down the path of a surveillance state, and that
a violates our constitutional rights. Most specifically, I believe a
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Fourth Amendment against unreasonable search, seizure, and kind of observation
along those lines. Now, unlike libertarians, liberals have come out
against this for a very different reason in that the
data that is stored, the license plate numbers that are observed,
that are collected by law enforcement, may then be turned
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over to ICE in the pursuit of illegal aliens who
are driving. And there are large percentages of those who
are on our roadways that either don't know how to drive,
aren't properly trained in driving don't know how to read
signs that are in English. We've seen this with the
CDL licenses that have been given often to illegals, often
(04:28):
at a cut rate. We've seen this result in very
tragic and deadly accidents. Dan Kaplis is represented a case
along these lines, and that this cost cutting measure by
those who would hire those with CDL licenses are doing
so and putting most of the American public, the Colorado
public that is in danger and in harm's way, and
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the liberals don't want that data stored and shared with
federal ice officers for deportation purposes. So there might be
some overlap there in terms of what is being observed
and how it's being done, and whether it's red light
cameras or drones, matters along those lines. As Gabrielle of
Adult reports for CBS Colorado four, I want to hear
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from you on where you stand on this, if you've
encountered these red light cameras, if you've been ticketed by
one of them, and.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
How you've responded to that.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Joining us now former host during this day part and
now with COGO San Diego as part of Conway and Larson,
he still roams the state of Colorado and throughout the
Mountain West instructing people on usage of guns, et cetera.
Leland Conway our guest here on Ryan Shuling Live. Leland,
Welcome back, my man.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
What're you.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
I'm doing great, And I know this used to be
a really a big sticking point topic for you in
the libertarian realm of government surveillance and red light cameras.
And to me, yeah, it's a cost cutting measure but
also cuts corners in that you don't have regular law
enforcement officers in vehicles stationed at these intersections and maybe
they can't afford it, I don't know. And then in
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so doing, they just install these cameras, let them do
all the work. But what is your primary objection to
these red light cameras and why you think they are
not right?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, basically it boils down to the fact that those
cameras are really revenue generators. It's always sold as a
safety issue, and it's never a safety issue.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'll give you example in the state of Florida, there
was a town there that had these cameras put in,
and of course the city was very excited. They had
already projected how much revenue they were going to get
from this, but again it was obviously to keep the
people safe.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
The problem is in Florida, what kind of folks are
in Florida. Retirees, elderly people tend to do what with
road rules, obey them. So what was happening was nobody
was running the red light. They were getting zero revenue
and they had spent all this money on these cameras
expecting X amount of millions of dollars and they weren't
getting it. So they tinkered with the timing on the
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yellow light. They made it a little bit shorter so
that they could get more tickets. What happened then, well,
you had people that were used to the timing of
the light and you had rear inter accidents. People got
hurt and that was what exposed this whole thing as
a revenue generating thing. I don't like when we don't
get to face our accuser and the government gets something
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out of it. And if I can give you a
quick example in San Diego, California, California last year passed
the law on a daylighting law but statewide. So what
that is is you cannot park within twenty one feet
of an intersection that makes sense from a commonsense standpoint, right, Like,
you shouldn't park right at the edge of a street
where you're on a corner and you're blocking either a
pedestrian pathway or you're blocking people's ability to see other pedestrians.
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Common sense. Most curbs, you have to back off a
little ways. But here's what they didn't do. They didn't
paint the curbs, and they began enforcing it no matter
how much you breached that twenty one feet. So they
were giving away tickets to people that were parked nineteen
feet eight inches away or twenty feet and six inches away.
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There was no give on that, and they didn't paint
the curves so nobody could see exactly where the twenty
one feet started. They raised one point four million dollars
in San Diego alone in just three months.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It was a revenue grab.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
They're deliberately not painting the curbs because they want people
to violate the law. I have an issue with laws
we want people to violate because the state gets money
out of it, and I know these particular intersections in
Denver are very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
The issue there means.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
That we're either not enforcing the law well enough, or
we're not punishing the enforcement well enough. In other words,
we're not making the punishment so high when somebody runs
a red light, which it should be, right, it should
be prohibitively expensive if you run a red light and
you get caught, instead of doing those things first and
figuring out why drivers are so bad, and Denver, we're
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just gonna make money off of it, which means they're
actually gonna want rex to occur. They're gonna want people
to violate that law.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Drives me nuts.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
It's the law diminishing returns almost literally, Leland Conway, our guest,
Like you said, Leland, if people do ob the law,
like the example you gave in Florida, then it has
like an upside down effect on these law enforcement departments
that are looking for revenue, new generators. And I know
I encountered this when I was driving on Yosemite here,
not far away, but as soon as I crossed over
two twenty five, when I went from Greenwood Village into
(09:16):
Denver Boom there it was these cameras that are set
up for speeding in that area. Whether or not it's
a danger to the local residents in that area, I
don't know, but it certainly was. It seemed to me,
at least because I went to court and I fought
it because of course I'm going to do that, and
they were able to knock it down at any points
or anything like that, but they still collected a portion
(09:36):
of the fine of the money, and that does seem
to be the primary focus here. Like you're alluding to,
you talk about these dangerous intersections, and the one reference
in this story by CBS Colorado that I sent you
for Channel four is in Thornton, and I would just
want to know how would it be more efficient, more effective,
But yet at the same time, like you said, fair
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to motorists, to everybody involved, to enforce these intersections and
dedicate maybe the man hours or anything else without using
these red light cameras, is there a way to do
that effectively?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I think we had to look at the design of
the of the intersection. It's been a while since I've
been at that one. Sometimes that's part of the issues,
So we might want to look at that first before
we start just snapping pictures of people driving and I
think posting making that if we have a really bad
intersection that people are violating, the lawn you post a
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cop car there for a couple of days, they're going
to slow down for two or three weeks after. So
I think that just having a police car in the
area is a force multiple I and tell you a
funny story. I don't know if you've ever been to
Twin Lakes, but if you're, if you go to Buena
Vista and you go up the Collegiate Mountains and you
turn left, there's a beautiful little town called Twin Lakes.
It's right down at the base of Independence Paths where
(10:55):
you go up over to Aspen, and they have a
hilarious set up over there. They've got a car that
sits across the street from the one general store in
the very very small town, and there's a dummy in it,
so that it looks as though from a distance that
there is a cop sitting in the car. People obey
the speed limit in that town, and I obey the
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speed limit right because I never know, one of these
days that might actually might not actually be a dummy,
that might actually be a live person. And so there's
a there's a there's a force multiplier effect. I think
that the number one thing they could do is fisient.
Some police cars there random days. You don't have to
do it all the time, just there once in a while,
random days, random hours, make it so that it's visible.
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And what you're going to see happen is people are
going to start to slow down because they know enforcement
is underway. That is, that is I think the top
thing you can do as you research whether or not
we need to redesign that particular intersection. And then I
would I like to tackle problems ryan from the route
rather than from the symptom. And the root is, let's
be honest, Denver has some of the worst drivers in America.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Straight up dude.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And so who are we giving licenses to?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
How are we testing?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
What kind of accountability are we offering to drivers when
they violate laws like this? I saw a red light
run just yesterday down in Colorado Springs. And you may
remember this. My wife, we had bought her a brand
new car about two years ago, brand news. She had
ten miles on it, and there was a head on
collision from a guy who ran a red light down
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in Colorado Springs and the vehicle that got hit by
the guy that ran the red light bounced into Tabitha's
car and totaled a brand new car. I passionately, vehemently
can't stand dangerous, reckless drivers, but the punishment should be
on them and not everybody else.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
The other issue with.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
These cameras is they're notoriously inaccurate. They might take a
picture and say this is you, but it was your
brother driving the car. They might take a picture because
it was the tail end of your car is still
in the intersection, but you were in there in the
yellow and you were perfectly legal to keep driving. Those
are issues that haven't been worked out with the technology yet.
Right and again it's like we're even around the edges
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of it becoming about revenue again.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
So Leland conway with the libertarian argument against the red
light cameras that are going up in Thornton, as you
heard in that news story, and throughout other locales in
Metro Denver as well. And he just mentioned Colorado Springs.
So Leland, whenever I have you on the listener's rejoice
as they should, and we enjoy your returns, your homecomings
of sorts, and I just want the people to know, yet,
(13:38):
what are you up to right now?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
What are you doing with your life?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Well, as you mentioned, I am the host of Conway
and Larson are half of the hosts of Conway and
Larson in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So I'm loving that.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
And still live in Colorado and I'm the Rocky Mountain
District manager for Delta Defense. We run the US Constil
Carry Association. So last week I got up to Montana
and teach a class on how to protect houses of worship.
That's very fulfilling to me.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I like saving lies.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I love the Second Amendment, and so just trying to
continue to educate people and you know, hopefully hopefully get
people prepared to defend themselves. Hopefully, best of all, teach
them how to avoid it so they don't have to
and keep everybody safe.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
So if you have cause or occasion to be near
the studios here at any time Monday through Friday during
this time period two to four, Leland, you know that
you're always welcome and there's an open invitation, so stop
by whenever.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Okay, I know you're just trying to get me to
bring you lunch.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I was thinking more about the bourbon cream. But yeah,
we can do either our.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Yes, yes, we need to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
We do that.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
I love it all right, Lelando great talking to you,
my man, you too, Love you, Bro'd be good.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Love you too.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Leland Conway there five seven seven three nine if you
like to reminisce about the days of Leland, and he
is now working for co Go San Diego, Conway and Larson.
He's half of that team and doing all this great
work throughout the state. Like he said, training people how
to arm themselves, how to protect themselves. But more more
importantly is the situational awareness that you get from knowing
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when not to use that lethal force and trying to
avoid those situations all together. It's always better to do
just that. Couple of texts coming in Ryan. Mainly the
lights in Denver are not timed correctly, so drivers get frustrated.
Brother or sister, you and me both. But I've encountered
that so many times, like going down Broadway. You know,
you got that divided Lincoln going one way and Broadway
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going to other, Lincoln going north and Broadway coming south,
and it's like should be bang bang bang, green Greek
you know, no, No. And that's one area that I
can cite that comes to mind. When you mentioned that.
John texts me and says, that's in Rand Colorado. On
Highway fifty eight. No, you misspoke, he says it was
Colorado Route one twenty five. So if you know of
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any of these red light cameras that are set up
near you, I want to hear from you at five seven, seven,
three nine, you can send those along.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Thanks, not going so well for KJP our good friend
Kareem John Pierre, former press secretary for Joe Biden, and
I just wanted to hear Have you hear this as
we go to break?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Now that you are speaking for yourself, Karean, do you
have any regrets at all for anything that you said
while you were speaking on behalf of this administration?
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Oh, I'm look, it's a simple.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
No, no, no, because you're asking for a yes or
no question. I want to put some context to it too.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Every day either regret every day?
Speaker 9 (16:34):
Oh my god, very proud to be the White House
Press secretary.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I woke up every day.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
As a as a black woman who is queer, who
had never no one had ever seen someone like me
at that podium, standing.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Behind that lectern.
Speaker 9 (16:49):
It was honoring a privilege to have that job.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
Okay, hold on, I'm gonna pause it right there, You
in your everyday life. Whoever you are out there, do
you wake up every day and think about what color
you are, what gender you are, and what your sexual
orientation is?
Speaker 8 (17:05):
Like?
Speaker 7 (17:05):
I wake up every day, I going, you know, what
time to go attack another day in the job as
a straight white dude. I don't think about that unless
they left brings it up, these identity politics silos. I'm
a person. I'm an American first. That's how I define myself.
And I also define myself by my choices what I
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can control, not immutable characteristics. Kreeane Jeohn Pierre happens to
be black, happens to be gay, happens to be a woman.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
She chose none of those things.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
So why would you want to define yourself by any
of those characteristics other than the choices that you make
and the meritocracy that you have achieved, the job that
you have earned and that you deserve. But that's not
where she went with that lame to put it mildly,
a time out the Sheriff of Wild County, you guys
better shape up out there. Steve Raims joins me next
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Speaker 7 (20:00):
Well text as we lead into our next guest here
on RSL, thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Ryan.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
I wake up every morning wondering why the hell I
listened to you laughing face emoji. That is valid, But
you don't wake up wondering or thinking about your race,
your gender, your sexual orientation. And I would hope that
that's not how you really define yourself. You define yourself
by your deeds, your actions, your accomplishments, your achievements, your goals,
(20:26):
your dreams. Right or no, I don't know, but yeah,
you have every right to question Ryan, I got a
red light ticket once I ran the light. Still think
it was borderline orange. It was orange like me because
it was clear that the guy tailgating and he wasn't
going to be able to stop in time. He filled
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the crosswalk when he came to rest. So okay, let
me try to repaint this picture because I want our
next guest to address this. You got somebody on your ass.
I know this feeling and like tailgating you, right, and
they're wanting to like nudge you through the intersection. But
what are you supposed to do? Slam on your brakes?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Have the guy behind you hit you?
Speaker 7 (21:07):
I mean, yeah, the accident would be on that person,
that's true, But then you got to go through the
whole insurance stuff. Why not just clear the intersection get
the hell out of the way. I get it, But
you set this guy that was tailgating you. If you
went through the light when it was read, then that
person must have been read for them too, and then
he filled the crosswalk or he stopped.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Did he stop behind you?
Speaker 7 (21:30):
That's the one way of wondering, because that's a really
strange scenario you just painted. Let's get on this topic
with our next guests, and I'll be a part of
a big event that we'll talk about coming up on
Wednesday night in Greeley. He is currently the sheriff of
Weald County. He is running for commissioner next time around.
Steve Reims our guest sheriff, Thanks for joining us, Hey.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
Ryan, thanks for having on. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
First question from your law enforcement perspective. Let's say that
scenario went down just as that text are painted, and
then you are the person that is driving, and the
light's yellow and it's gonna turn already know it's going
to turn red, but there's somebody right on your tailgate
that seems to be kind of forcing you through the intersect.
What should you do in that situation as driver?
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Well, I think each situation is going to be a
little different, but you know, to avoid getting rear ended
by a careless driver, i'd probably, you know, squeak through
on the orange. But that's the whole problem with these
red light cameras and speed cameras is that it takes
a human element away and it puts the onus on
the person who gets the ticket to have to defend
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themselves when you know there's usually more to the story
than just something taking a picture of you. Maybe that
gets it right most of the time, but in the
instances that it gets it wrong, it's not usually to
the favor of the person who's getting the ticket right.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
I always find this fascinating too, because I think there's
a healthy rivalry of some sorts I would estimate between
Weld County and Adams County.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And this is happening the story that I.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Talked about CBS Colorado four in Thornton within Adams County.
We know that the eighth Canational District has been drawn
and Gabe Evans narrowly one, largely on the strength of
Weld County against Adams County. So is this like Dukes
of Hazzard, where you know, you go to Chickasaw County
and the border of Hazzard County and Sheriff Reems is
waiting right there. How would you describe maybe the differences
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of what we're seeing maybe an experiment like this, it's
a pilot program with a red light camera in thort
and anything that might be going on in your county.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Well, I think you know, you have two pretty different
constituent basis, different voter bases, I mean, obviously, Weld County
is a pretty conservative community from every county line across,
so what flies in Adams County doesn't typically fly real
well in Weld County. I mean, we do have some
jurisdics and some small towns that are trying out the
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speed cameras. They haven't gone to the red light camera
stuff yet, but it's not getting met with real good
reviews for a lot of obvious reasons. And quite honestly,
you know, were more of the personal service type of folks.
If we're going to pull you over and tell you
your driving stinks, we're going to do so in person
and trying to figure out how to make you a
better driver. If that requires a fine or a traffic ticket,
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so be it. But my guy's only right, my deputy's
only right. Tickets about thirty percent of the time. The
rest of it's, you know, typically a warning on the
side of the road, and I think that there's a
lot more to educate people than just just a blind
slashing ticket that you know, people get out a red light.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
It's funny because I was talking about this earlier in
this hour, about how I was nailed by a speed
camera on Yosemite within the city limits of Denver technically,
and I fought it. And one of the arguments I
made to the judge and she kind of chuckled, and
I was sincere I was serious about this is I
would much rather have an encounter and interaction with the
police officer in which I could explain, at least in
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my side of the story, I didn't know that the
speed limited draft.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I wasn't aware of this.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
And there's something that happens in that real time conversation
sheriff that you know all about that. Yeah, maybe there
is some discretion to issue warning instead. But all of
this is is it's a rubber stamp, like Leland was
talking about, for a cash grab, and that's all they're
looking to do is a crusome revenue.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
Well, when these when these companies come around and they're
trying to sell you on their equipment. I mean, the
revenue talk is what they lead with. It's not typically oh,
we're going to make this, you know, make your community
so much safer. And maybe there is a safety element
to some of it, but you know, quite honestly, we
all know that the revenue angle is is a big
part of it, and I, for one, as a sheriff
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in Weald County and we're just not going to go
near that stuff. You know, policing requires people to do it,
and you know that's that's just that's the that's the
way it should be done.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
In my opinion, one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Sheriff Steve Reamsweald County joining us now, he is moving
on from his life in law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
He's calling it a career, that's it.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
He's age fifty, he's done, but he's not cashing in
all his chips.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
He is now running for commissioner in Weld County.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
And before we get to the event itself coming up
on Wednesday, and I'll give all those details, Sheriff, and
I hope everybody can show up because I've got a
special guest in George Brockler, and I'll be happy to
be there to help MC and referee between.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
The two of you.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
But what is the biggest kind of change in how
you approach your day to day your job that's going
to happen from going as the sheriff of Weald County
and going from that to being a commissioner of Weld County.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What is that going to be like?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
For you, what's going to be a difficult transition. To
be honest with you, I mean, I love the job
that I do. I've enjoyed the twenty eight years at
the Sheriff's office. I still have, you know, a little
over a year left in this term, but I get
to singularly focus on public safety issues in Weld County.
As a commissioner, you're obviously, you know, you're taking in
a little bigger scope of issues that you need to
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deal with, you know, land use and the gamut, the
budget for the county and sitting tax rates, all that
kind of stuff. But I mean, public safety is still
a fundamental tenant for anything involved in the county. If
people in the county don't feel safe, then you know,
that stops commerce from coming in. It makes people want
to leave the county, residents want to move away. I
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can't tell you how many times people have come and said,
we moved to Well County because of your sheriff. And
that's one of the most flattering things a person can hear.
And I don't know if I'll get that same feedback
as a commissioner, but I know that my heart will
always be towards making sure that public safety is a
paramount issue in Well County, and I can do it
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from a different seat and making sure that the Sheriff's
Office continues to remain functional budgetarily, and then I can
look at other public safety issues when it comes to
roadways and the safety of our motoring public out there
and you know, anywhere that we can just make welld
County better. That's my focus. I live here and I
don't plan on leaving anytime soon, and I want to
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make sure that Weald County is a better place when
I left and when I got here.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Look can to continue that career in public service or
Steve Reems running for commissioner. You can find his website
rems r e a MS for fr Commissioner dot coms
for Commissioner dot com. And that is where you'll find
out more information about this event coming up Wednesday evening
from six to eight pm the Gutterson Estate that's at
thirty six ninety five sixty fifth.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Avenue in Greeley.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
And you sold me with two words beer and pizza,
but two more, Steve Rams George Brockler, So this is
gonna be a good time. You're calling it political talk.
The two of you getting together. What can people expect
at this event?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Share?
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Well, actually, Ryan, this is more of one of your
brain children, So I mean people should be a little nervous.
But when I was guest hosting for Dan, you talked about,
you know, you and George should guest host a show,
and so we did eventually, and we had a great time,
and you know, we just kind of cut it up
between the two of us and talk about different issues,
and that's basically what we're going to do on Wednesday night.
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You know, well, we'll have some some topics in public
safety and those kind of things that I think people
just want to hear. They want to ask questions about,
you know, they want to know how things work, and
you know, how cases turned out. And George has a history,
I have a history, and you know, well we'll just
cut it up a little bit and hopefully you'll be
able to be there as our MC to keep us
on the rails, just like when we did the radio show,
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and everybody will have a good time.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Oh I'll be there with bells on. Looking forward to that.
Between George Brockler, of course, he's the district attorney in
the twenty third Douglas County and Sheriff Steve Reims Weld County.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Great minds coming together.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
But the one thing I want you to leave us
with here, Sheriff, and I'm kind of giving people a
preview of how I'm going to operate on Wednesday night
between six and eight pm. Is there anything you can
tell us about your personal interactions hanging out with George
Brockler G brock as I like to call him that
that people don't know about but maybe they should know about.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
Well, he's been mistaken for a very famous person on
CNN numerous times, and I think we would be foolish
not to make that one of the one of the
very first questions or one of the very first topics
that we talk about, because that is such an endearing
story for George that I think he needs a new
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audience to tell it to you.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
And let's just say that we'll take it three sixty
with him on that topic. It's a very interesting Doppelgayer
comparison George Brockler. He'll be there, I'll be there, Sheriff
Steve Riams most importantly, will be there for political talk
for two hours.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's gonna fly by.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
I know that it always does a suggested contribution of
twenty five dollars a person. You get beer and pizza
for that, and you get the entertainment value of Reims
and Brockler together.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
What could be better.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
It's at thirty six ninety five sixty fifth Avenue in Greeley.
That's the Gutterson Estate. You can find out more information online.
Check out the website Reemsfocommissioner dot com. Sheriff always a
great time. Really looking forward to seeing you Wednesday night.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
Thanks again, Ryan, I appreciate it all.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Right, Scherf.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Steve Reams right there and again g Brock's special guests
for political talk with Reems at Brockler Gutterson Estate in Greeley.
That's Wednesday night here on the twenty ninth, And you
want to join us and I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I don't. I can't keep these guys on the rails.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
There's no chance of that happening. But we will have
fun and there will be there pizza. What a combination
for you. Take this time out, we'll wrap it all
up your tax five seven, seven thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
After these words on Ryan.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Schuling Life, you were talking about the difference in being
at the podium and then now in your personal capacity,
the Special Counsel Robert Herr, when his report came out
about President Biden and the classified documents, you stood from
the White House podium February twenty twenty four and you
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said that his commentary was gratuitous, that it was unacceptable,
and it didn't live in reality. And clearly the American
public saw another side of Joe Biden's mental acuity during
the Summer's debate. Robert Hurr was unemployable for a period
because of the attacks from the Democrats and from the
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White House that you were at the podium leading. Have
you apologized to Robert Herr?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (31:54):
I mean, look what I can say to you is
I saw the president.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Every single day.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
It wasn't one off, it wasn't once in a while.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I saw him every day every day.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
He is someone that was shark case have you gone back?
Speaker 7 (32:11):
He was?
Speaker 11 (32:13):
He had pretty sharp comments about and we all saw
a different reality and your personal pastory.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
Saying is is my reality was this? My reality was
somebody that I saw every single day who was shark,
who pushed his team was understanding very clearly of the
policy of history that is.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
What I saw.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
I could only speak for what I saw on a
daily basis for two and a half years, almost four
years actually, and it was White House pre secretary obviously
for two.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And a half years.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
And that is the president that I.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
Know, someone who woke up every day and was very
zeroed in and focused on how to deliver for this
part for the American people.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And that's what I'm speaking to, is what I saw
every day about her.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
There's not many people who can say, oh, you know,
they saw that, they saw somebody every day like the
President of evisation was able to.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Speak for him.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm able to do that.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
I was his White House prescretary. You were called into
the Oval office on a daily basis. I traveled with
him ninety five percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And so I'm speaking for myself here.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
I'm speaking for what I saw.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And that was why I pushed back. I pushed back.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
That is so incredibly obtuse. That would be the kindest explanation.
The other would be she would be blind. She'd be
blind like Stevie Wonder because if she was with them
ninety five percent of the time, she would have seen
some of these mental breakdowns that everyone else saw like
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we saw, like Barack Obama helping him off the stage
at the George Clooney fundraiser and Clooney going my god,
the guy's cooked, and then writing the op ed after
the debate performance, and when at least Jordan credit to her.
I can't believe she's still employed by MSNBC. That's with
that NT. They were not having it, whether it was
her or now. At least Jordan's got some bush conservative
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background with Condaleza Rice working in that vein, so that's
not too surprising. But the other cliff that you heard
before this with I'man Moyelden, that guy is not a
conservative and he was not.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Having it with KJP. So she's gone over like a
lead balloon. Does she wake up.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Every day thinking about being a black lesbian woman. She
sure does, she said so, And that goes to Patty here.
I wake up every day thinking how petty I can
be today. Patty, that is good use of your time.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Ryan.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
I am hit or miss on the red light cameras.
But if they are really going to go after a
funding source, cameras at the on wrap stoplights, oh yeah,
those are more like a suggestion, I guess but I don't.
I think it's confusing for drivers like me because sometimes
those are on in higher volume traffic times that's when
they go red green, red green, and then sometimes they're
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off and you breeze.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right through them.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
But those timing like it's supposed to be one car
green's It's a madhouse with those things. Another one along
these light nines on the red light cameras. Ryan, ten
red light cameras and Boulder, and they just added radar
to all ten of those intersections. Well, they're clamping down
and the People's Republic of Boulder shocking, I know.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Ryan.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Please tell Sheriff Reames that I love it when he
fills in for Dan. We also need him to fill
in for you occasionally. I'm very much in favor of that.
I think the Weld County grouping will be a great time,
especially if George Brockler is going to be there. I
am not from Weald County, Well Texter neither am I
and I'm going you have every reason and motivation to
go to political talk with Reams and Broccler. That's this Wednesday,
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six to eight pm at the Gutterson Estate in Greeley.
That's thirty six ninety five sixty fifth Avenue. Join us
for beer and pizza and a lot of fun conversation.
Find out more reemsfour commissioner dot com. I'll talk to
you tomorrow on Ryan Schuling Live
Following developments around two dangerous intersections in Thornton and many
crashes due to people running lights. Thornton police say over
the last fifteen months, there have been twenty three crashes
at eighty eighth Avenue in Washington Street and thirty three
collisions at one hundred and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard.
Your reporter in Adams County, GABRIELLEA. Vigal, spoke to police
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about their efforts to keep drivers from running those red lights.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
On these streets. It doesn't pay to be in a
big hurry.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Speed has not just taken the small light.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
He really took a big piece when he's a Christian.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But it's also taken lives.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
My biggest thing is just honoring him the ways that
I can. That's what kind of helps keep me saying.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It was just seven months ago when a car hit
and killed thirty five year old Christians on the Mania
after an eighteen year old was accused of running a
red light at one hundred and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard.
The father Forrest family have previously spoken with CBS Colorado
wanting more accountability on the roads.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Portunate that we have individuals out here that just really
take life for granted in that way because they're putting
not just you know, yourself in danger, but that could
have been anybody.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Now, it's these cameras that could be the ticket to
preventing crashes on two of Thornton's most notorious intersections.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
The hope for the intention is to get people to
not run the red light and therefore reduce the crashes.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
CBS Colorado followed along as crews installed sixteen cameras at
eighty eighth Avenue in Washington Street, which will be used
to detect drivers in any direction who run a red light.
This pilot program will also include cameras at one hundred
and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard, the same intersection where
Santa Madia lost his life.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
We have to have a thirty day advertising period and
then the first thirty days that these are operational, they
will be issuing just warnings, and then after that thirty
day warning period then live citations will come out.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
But once these cameras behind me are up and running
and issuing tickets, people who do on a red light
here will receive a seventy five dollars fine in the mail,
which police say we'll go towards paying back for these
cameras in this pilot program and hopefully more cameras at
other intersections in the future.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
This is a civil penalty basically, so unlike if a
police officer wrote you a ticket and hand you to
you where there's points, a sign against your license and
everything else, these don't have that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Deputy Chief Paul Hawkins says it's a price he hopes
will encourage drivers to take driving seriously and prevent crashes
here from becoming the norm.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
There's a lot of people who appreciate what they're for
and the intent, and would like to see them in
other places if they were in Thornton.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Gabriel Lavidel covering Colinal First.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
For CBS Colorado four back here on Ryan Shuling Live
taking off our second hour with this topic. Is Thornton
looking to reduce deadly crashes in these intersections by installing
these cameras red light cameras.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Now we have one right near my place of work here.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
At iHeart Denver at the intersection of Bellevue and Quebec,
and luckily knock on wood knocking on my own dome
there made out of wood. I have not been caught.
I've seen many people though. You see those little flashing
lights right that the camera's going off, and it's shuddering
of people that try to take liberties.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And go through it when it's like not just yellow
but orange red, a little bit red.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
You don't want to do that at that intersection or
any of these others that you know these cameras are installed.
The argument against it, and my next guest, who I
hope to be joined by in just mere moments, Leland Conway,
libertarian argument against it is that this is another row
step down the path of a surveillance state, and that
a violates our constitutional rights. Most specifically, I believe a
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Fourth Amendment against unreasonable search, seizure, and kind of observation
along those lines. Now, unlike libertarians, liberals have come out
against this for a very different reason in that the
data that is stored, the license plate numbers that are observed,
that are collected by law enforcement, may then be turned
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over to ICE in the pursuit of illegal aliens who
are driving. And there are large percentages of those who
are on our roadways that either don't know how to drive,
aren't properly trained in driving don't know how to read
signs that are in English. We've seen this with the
CDL licenses that have been given often to illegals, often
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at a cut rate. We've seen this result in very
tragic and deadly accidents. Dan Kaplis is represented a case
along these lines, and that this cost cutting measure by
those who would hire those with CDL licenses are doing
so and putting most of the American public, the Colorado
public that is in danger and in harm's way, and
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the liberals don't want that data stored and shared with
federal ice officers for deportation purposes. So there might be
some overlap there in terms of what is being observed
and how it's being done, and whether it's red light
cameras or drones, matters along those lines. As Gabrielle of
Adult reports for CBS Colorado four, I want to hear
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from you on where you stand on this, if you've
encountered these red light cameras, if you've been ticketed by
one of them, and.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
How you've responded to that.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Joining us now former host during this day part and
now with COGO San Diego as part of Conway and Larson,
he still roams the state of Colorado and throughout the
Mountain West instructing people on usage of guns, et cetera.
Leland Conway our guest here on Ryan Shuling Live. Leland,
Welcome back, my man.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
What're you.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
I'm doing great, And I know this used to be
a really a big sticking point topic for you in
the libertarian realm of government surveillance and red light cameras.
And to me, yeah, it's a cost cutting measure but
also cuts corners in that you don't have regular law
enforcement officers in vehicles stationed at these intersections and maybe
they can't afford it, I don't know. And then in
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so doing, they just install these cameras, let them do
all the work. But what is your primary objection to
these red light cameras and why you think they are
not right?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, basically it boils down to the fact that those
cameras are really revenue generators. It's always sold as a
safety issue, and it's never a safety issue.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'll give you example in the state of Florida, there
was a town there that had these cameras put in,
and of course the city was very excited. They had
already projected how much revenue they were going to get
from this, but again it was obviously to keep the
people safe.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
The problem is in Florida, what kind of folks are
in Florida. Retirees, elderly people tend to do what with
road rules, obey them. So what was happening was nobody
was running the red light. They were getting zero revenue
and they had spent all this money on these cameras
expecting X amount of millions of dollars and they weren't
getting it. So they tinkered with the timing on the
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yellow light. They made it a little bit shorter so
that they could get more tickets. What happened then, well,
you had people that were used to the timing of
the light and you had rear inter accidents. People got
hurt and that was what exposed this whole thing as
a revenue generating thing. I don't like when we don't
get to face our accuser and the government gets something
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out of it. And if I can give you a
quick example in San Diego, California, California last year passed
the law on a daylighting law but statewide. So what
that is is you cannot park within twenty one feet
of an intersection that makes sense from a commonsense standpoint, right, Like,
you shouldn't park right at the edge of a street
where you're on a corner and you're blocking either a
pedestrian pathway or you're blocking people's ability to see other pedestrians.
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Common sense. Most curbs, you have to back off a
little ways. But here's what they didn't do. They didn't
paint the curbs, and they began enforcing it no matter
how much you breached that twenty one feet. So they
were giving away tickets to people that were parked nineteen
feet eight inches away or twenty feet and six inches away.
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There was no give on that, and they didn't paint
the curves so nobody could see exactly where the twenty
one feet started. They raised one point four million dollars
in San Diego alone in just three months.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It was a revenue grab.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
They're deliberately not painting the curbs because they want people
to violate the law. I have an issue with laws
we want people to violate because the state gets money
out of it, and I know these particular intersections in
Denver are very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
The issue there means.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
That we're either not enforcing the law well enough, or
we're not punishing the enforcement well enough. In other words,
we're not making the punishment so high when somebody runs
a red light, which it should be, right, it should
be prohibitively expensive if you run a red light and
you get caught, instead of doing those things first and
figuring out why drivers are so bad, and Denver, we're
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just gonna make money off of it, which means they're
actually gonna want rex to occur. They're gonna want people
to violate that law.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Drives me nuts.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
It's the law diminishing returns almost literally, Leland Conway, our guest,
Like you said, Leland, if people do ob the law,
like the example you gave in Florida, then it has
like an upside down effect on these law enforcement departments
that are looking for revenue, new generators. And I know
I encountered this when I was driving on Yosemite here,
not far away, but as soon as I crossed over
two twenty five, when I went from Greenwood Village into
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Denver Boom there it was these cameras that are set
up for speeding in that area. Whether or not it's
a danger to the local residents in that area, I
don't know, but it certainly was. It seemed to me,
at least because I went to court and I fought
it because of course I'm going to do that, and
they were able to knock it down at any points
or anything like that, but they still collected a portion
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of the fine of the money, and that does seem
to be the primary focus here. Like you're alluding to,
you talk about these dangerous intersections, and the one reference
in this story by CBS Colorado that I sent you
for Channel four is in Thornton, and I would just
want to know how would it be more efficient, more effective,
But yet at the same time, like you said, fair
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to motorists, to everybody involved, to enforce these intersections and
dedicate maybe the man hours or anything else without using
these red light cameras, is there a way to do
that effectively?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I think we had to look at the design of
the of the intersection. It's been a while since I've
been at that one. Sometimes that's part of the issues,
So we might want to look at that first before
we start just snapping pictures of people driving and I
think posting making that if we have a really bad
intersection that people are violating, the lawn you post a
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cop car there for a couple of days, they're going
to slow down for two or three weeks after. So
I think that just having a police car in the
area is a force multiple I and tell you a
funny story. I don't know if you've ever been to
Twin Lakes, but if you're, if you go to Buena
Vista and you go up the Collegiate Mountains and you
turn left, there's a beautiful little town called Twin Lakes.
It's right down at the base of Independence Paths where
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you go up over to Aspen, and they have a
hilarious set up over there. They've got a car that
sits across the street from the one general store in
the very very small town, and there's a dummy in it,
so that it looks as though from a distance that
there is a cop sitting in the car. People obey
the speed limit in that town, and I obey the
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speed limit right because I never know, one of these
days that might actually might not actually be a dummy,
that might actually be a live person. And so there's
a there's a there's a force multiplier effect. I think
that the number one thing they could do is fisient.
Some police cars there random days. You don't have to
do it all the time, just there once in a while,
random days, random hours, make it so that it's visible.
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And what you're going to see happen is people are
going to start to slow down because they know enforcement
is underway. That is, that is I think the top
thing you can do as you research whether or not
we need to redesign that particular intersection. And then I
would I like to tackle problems ryan from the route
rather than from the symptom. And the root is, let's
be honest, Denver has some of the worst drivers in America.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Straight up dude.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And so who are we giving licenses to?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
How are we testing?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
What kind of accountability are we offering to drivers when
they violate laws like this? I saw a red light
run just yesterday down in Colorado Springs. And you may
remember this. My wife, we had bought her a brand
new car about two years ago, brand news. She had
ten miles on it, and there was a head on
collision from a guy who ran a red light down
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in Colorado Springs and the vehicle that got hit by
the guy that ran the red light bounced into Tabitha's
car and totaled a brand new car. I passionately, vehemently
can't stand dangerous, reckless drivers, but the punishment should be
on them and not everybody else.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
The other issue with.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
These cameras is they're notoriously inaccurate. They might take a
picture and say this is you, but it was your
brother driving the car. They might take a picture because
it was the tail end of your car is still
in the intersection, but you were in there in the
yellow and you were perfectly legal to keep driving. Those
are issues that haven't been worked out with the technology yet.
Right and again it's like we're even around the edges
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of it becoming about revenue again.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
So Leland conway with the libertarian argument against the red
light cameras that are going up in Thornton, as you
heard in that news story, and throughout other locales in
Metro Denver as well. And he just mentioned Colorado Springs.
So Leland, whenever I have you on the listener's rejoice
as they should, and we enjoy your returns, your homecomings
of sorts, and I just want the people to know, yet,
(13:38):
what are you up to right now?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
What are you doing with your life?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Well, as you mentioned, I am the host of Conway
and Larson are half of the hosts of Conway and
Larson in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So I'm loving that.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
And still live in Colorado and I'm the Rocky Mountain
District manager for Delta Defense. We run the US Constil
Carry Association. So last week I got up to Montana
and teach a class on how to protect houses of worship.
That's very fulfilling to me.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I like saving lies.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I love the Second Amendment, and so just trying to
continue to educate people and you know, hopefully hopefully get
people prepared to defend themselves. Hopefully, best of all, teach
them how to avoid it so they don't have to
and keep everybody safe.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
So if you have cause or occasion to be near
the studios here at any time Monday through Friday during
this time period two to four, Leland, you know that
you're always welcome and there's an open invitation, so stop
by whenever.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Okay, I know you're just trying to get me to
bring you lunch.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I was thinking more about the bourbon cream. But yeah,
we can do either our.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Yes, yes, we need to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
We do that.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
I love it all right, Lelando great talking to you,
my man, you too, Love you, Bro'd be good.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Love you too.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Leland Conway there five seven seven three nine if you
like to reminisce about the days of Leland, and he
is now working for co Go San Diego, Conway and Larson.
He's half of that team and doing all this great
work throughout the state. Like he said, training people how
to arm themselves, how to protect themselves. But more more
importantly is the situational awareness that you get from knowing
(15:10):
when not to use that lethal force and trying to
avoid those situations all together. It's always better to do
just that. Couple of texts coming in Ryan. Mainly the
lights in Denver are not timed correctly, so drivers get frustrated.
Brother or sister, you and me both. But I've encountered
that so many times, like going down Broadway. You know,
you got that divided Lincoln going one way and Broadway
(15:32):
going to other, Lincoln going north and Broadway coming south,
and it's like should be bang bang bang, green Greek
you know, no, No. And that's one area that I
can cite that comes to mind. When you mentioned that.
John texts me and says, that's in Rand Colorado. On
Highway fifty eight. No, you misspoke, he says it was
Colorado Route one twenty five. So if you know of
(15:54):
any of these red light cameras that are set up
near you, I want to hear from you at five seven, seven,
three nine, you can send those along.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Thanks, not going so well for KJP our good friend
Kareem John Pierre, former press secretary for Joe Biden, and
I just wanted to hear Have you hear this as
we go to break?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Now that you are speaking for yourself, Karean, do you
have any regrets at all for anything that you said
while you were speaking on behalf of this administration?
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Oh, I'm look, it's a simple.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
No, no, no, because you're asking for a yes or
no question. I want to put some context to it too.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Every day either regret every day?
Speaker 9 (16:34):
Oh my god, very proud to be the White House
Press secretary.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I woke up every day.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
As a as a black woman who is queer, who
had never no one had ever seen someone like me
at that podium, standing.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Behind that lectern.
Speaker 9 (16:49):
It was honoring a privilege to have that job.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
Okay, hold on, I'm gonna pause it right there, You
in your everyday life. Whoever you are out there, do
you wake up every day and think about what color
you are, what gender you are, and what your sexual
orientation is?
Speaker 8 (17:05):
Like?
Speaker 7 (17:05):
I wake up every day, I going, you know, what
time to go attack another day in the job as
a straight white dude. I don't think about that unless
they left brings it up, these identity politics silos. I'm
a person. I'm an American first. That's how I define myself.
And I also define myself by my choices what I
(17:26):
can control, not immutable characteristics. Kreeane Jeohn Pierre happens to
be black, happens to be gay, happens to be a woman.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
She chose none of those things.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
So why would you want to define yourself by any
of those characteristics other than the choices that you make
and the meritocracy that you have achieved, the job that
you have earned and that you deserve. But that's not
where she went with that lame to put it mildly,
a time out the Sheriff of Wild County, you guys
better shape up out there. Steve Raims joins me next
(17:59):
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Speaker 7 (20:00):
Well text as we lead into our next guest here
on RSL, thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Ryan.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
I wake up every morning wondering why the hell I
listened to you laughing face emoji. That is valid, But
you don't wake up wondering or thinking about your race,
your gender, your sexual orientation. And I would hope that
that's not how you really define yourself. You define yourself
by your deeds, your actions, your accomplishments, your achievements, your goals,
(20:26):
your dreams. Right or no, I don't know, but yeah,
you have every right to question Ryan, I got a
red light ticket once I ran the light. Still think
it was borderline orange. It was orange like me because
it was clear that the guy tailgating and he wasn't
going to be able to stop in time. He filled
(20:48):
the crosswalk when he came to rest. So okay, let
me try to repaint this picture because I want our
next guest to address this. You got somebody on your ass.
I know this feeling and like tailgating you, right, and
they're wanting to like nudge you through the intersection. But
what are you supposed to do? Slam on your brakes?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Have the guy behind you hit you?
Speaker 7 (21:07):
I mean, yeah, the accident would be on that person,
that's true, But then you got to go through the
whole insurance stuff. Why not just clear the intersection get
the hell out of the way. I get it, But
you set this guy that was tailgating you. If you
went through the light when it was read, then that
person must have been read for them too, and then
he filled the crosswalk or he stopped.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Did he stop behind you?
Speaker 7 (21:30):
That's the one way of wondering, because that's a really
strange scenario you just painted. Let's get on this topic
with our next guests, and I'll be a part of
a big event that we'll talk about coming up on
Wednesday night in Greeley. He is currently the sheriff of
Weald County. He is running for commissioner next time around.
Steve Reims our guest sheriff, Thanks for joining us, Hey.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
Ryan, thanks for having on. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
First question from your law enforcement perspective. Let's say that
scenario went down just as that text are painted, and
then you are the person that is driving, and the
light's yellow and it's gonna turn already know it's going
to turn red, but there's somebody right on your tailgate
that seems to be kind of forcing you through the intersect.
What should you do in that situation as driver?
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Well, I think each situation is going to be a
little different, but you know, to avoid getting rear ended
by a careless driver, i'd probably, you know, squeak through
on the orange. But that's the whole problem with these
red light cameras and speed cameras is that it takes
a human element away and it puts the onus on
the person who gets the ticket to have to defend
(22:30):
themselves when you know there's usually more to the story
than just something taking a picture of you. Maybe that
gets it right most of the time, but in the
instances that it gets it wrong, it's not usually to
the favor of the person who's getting the ticket right.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
I always find this fascinating too, because I think there's
a healthy rivalry of some sorts I would estimate between
Weld County and Adams County.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And this is happening the story that I.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Talked about CBS Colorado four in Thornton within Adams County.
We know that the eighth Canational District has been drawn
and Gabe Evans narrowly one, largely on the strength of
Weld County against Adams County. So is this like Dukes
of Hazzard, where you know, you go to Chickasaw County
and the border of Hazzard County and Sheriff Reems is
waiting right there. How would you describe maybe the differences
(23:17):
of what we're seeing maybe an experiment like this, it's
a pilot program with a red light camera in thort
and anything that might be going on in your county.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Well, I think you know, you have two pretty different
constituent basis, different voter bases, I mean, obviously, Weld County
is a pretty conservative community from every county line across,
so what flies in Adams County doesn't typically fly real
well in Weld County. I mean, we do have some
jurisdics and some small towns that are trying out the
(23:48):
speed cameras. They haven't gone to the red light camera
stuff yet, but it's not getting met with real good
reviews for a lot of obvious reasons. And quite honestly,
you know, were more of the personal service type of folks.
If we're going to pull you over and tell you
your driving stinks, we're going to do so in person
and trying to figure out how to make you a
better driver. If that requires a fine or a traffic ticket,
(24:11):
so be it. But my guy's only right, my deputy's
only right. Tickets about thirty percent of the time. The
rest of it's, you know, typically a warning on the
side of the road, and I think that there's a
lot more to educate people than just just a blind
slashing ticket that you know, people get out a red light.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
It's funny because I was talking about this earlier in
this hour, about how I was nailed by a speed
camera on Yosemite within the city limits of Denver technically,
and I fought it. And one of the arguments I
made to the judge and she kind of chuckled, and
I was sincere I was serious about this is I
would much rather have an encounter and interaction with the
police officer in which I could explain, at least in
(24:48):
my side of the story, I didn't know that the
speed limited draft.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I wasn't aware of this.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
And there's something that happens in that real time conversation
sheriff that you know all about that. Yeah, maybe there
is some discretion to issue warning instead. But all of
this is is it's a rubber stamp, like Leland was
talking about, for a cash grab, and that's all they're
looking to do is a crusome revenue.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
Well, when these when these companies come around and they're
trying to sell you on their equipment. I mean, the
revenue talk is what they lead with. It's not typically oh,
we're going to make this, you know, make your community
so much safer. And maybe there is a safety element
to some of it, but you know, quite honestly, we
all know that the revenue angle is is a big
part of it, and I, for one, as a sheriff
(25:30):
in Weald County and we're just not going to go
near that stuff. You know, policing requires people to do it,
and you know that's that's just that's the that's the
way it should be done.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
In my opinion, one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Sheriff Steve Reamsweald County joining us now, he is moving
on from his life in law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
He's calling it a career, that's it.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
He's age fifty, he's done, but he's not cashing in
all his chips.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
He is now running for commissioner in Weld County.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
And before we get to the event itself coming up
on Wednesday, and I'll give all those details, Sheriff, and
I hope everybody can show up because I've got a
special guest in George Brockler, and I'll be happy to
be there to help MC and referee between.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
The two of you.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
But what is the biggest kind of change in how
you approach your day to day your job that's going
to happen from going as the sheriff of Weald County
and going from that to being a commissioner of Weld County.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What is that going to be like?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
For you, what's going to be a difficult transition. To
be honest with you, I mean, I love the job
that I do. I've enjoyed the twenty eight years at
the Sheriff's office. I still have, you know, a little
over a year left in this term, but I get
to singularly focus on public safety issues in Weld County.
As a commissioner, you're obviously, you know, you're taking in
a little bigger scope of issues that you need to
(26:43):
deal with, you know, land use and the gamut, the
budget for the county and sitting tax rates, all that
kind of stuff. But I mean, public safety is still
a fundamental tenant for anything involved in the county. If
people in the county don't feel safe, then you know,
that stops commerce from coming in. It makes people want
to leave the county, residents want to move away. I
(27:04):
can't tell you how many times people have come and said,
we moved to Well County because of your sheriff. And
that's one of the most flattering things a person can hear.
And I don't know if I'll get that same feedback
as a commissioner, but I know that my heart will
always be towards making sure that public safety is a
paramount issue in Well County, and I can do it
(27:25):
from a different seat and making sure that the Sheriff's
Office continues to remain functional budgetarily, and then I can
look at other public safety issues when it comes to
roadways and the safety of our motoring public out there
and you know, anywhere that we can just make welld
County better. That's my focus. I live here and I
don't plan on leaving anytime soon, and I want to
(27:46):
make sure that Weald County is a better place when
I left and when I got here.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Look can to continue that career in public service or
Steve Reems running for commissioner. You can find his website
rems r e a MS for fr Commissioner dot coms
for Commissioner dot com. And that is where you'll find
out more information about this event coming up Wednesday evening
from six to eight pm the Gutterson Estate that's at
thirty six ninety five sixty fifth.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Avenue in Greeley.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
And you sold me with two words beer and pizza,
but two more, Steve Rams George Brockler, So this is
gonna be a good time. You're calling it political talk.
The two of you getting together. What can people expect
at this event?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Share?
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Well, actually, Ryan, this is more of one of your
brain children, So I mean people should be a little nervous.
But when I was guest hosting for Dan, you talked about,
you know, you and George should guest host a show,
and so we did eventually, and we had a great time,
and you know, we just kind of cut it up
between the two of us and talk about different issues,
and that's basically what we're going to do on Wednesday night.
(28:46):
You know, well, we'll have some some topics in public
safety and those kind of things that I think people
just want to hear. They want to ask questions about,
you know, they want to know how things work, and
you know, how cases turned out. And George has a history,
I have a history, and you know, well we'll just
cut it up a little bit and hopefully you'll be
able to be there as our MC to keep us
on the rails, just like when we did the radio show,
(29:06):
and everybody will have a good time.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Oh I'll be there with bells on. Looking forward to that.
Between George Brockler, of course, he's the district attorney in
the twenty third Douglas County and Sheriff Steve Reims Weld County.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Great minds coming together.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
But the one thing I want you to leave us
with here, Sheriff, and I'm kind of giving people a
preview of how I'm going to operate on Wednesday night
between six and eight pm. Is there anything you can
tell us about your personal interactions hanging out with George
Brockler G brock as I like to call him that
that people don't know about but maybe they should know about.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
Well, he's been mistaken for a very famous person on
CNN numerous times, and I think we would be foolish
not to make that one of the one of the
very first questions or one of the very first topics
that we talk about, because that is such an endearing
story for George that I think he needs a new
(29:59):
audience to tell it to you.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
And let's just say that we'll take it three sixty
with him on that topic. It's a very interesting Doppelgayer
comparison George Brockler. He'll be there, I'll be there, Sheriff
Steve Riams most importantly, will be there for political talk
for two hours.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's gonna fly by.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
I know that it always does a suggested contribution of
twenty five dollars a person. You get beer and pizza
for that, and you get the entertainment value of Reims
and Brockler together.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
What could be better.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
It's at thirty six ninety five sixty fifth Avenue in Greeley.
That's the Gutterson Estate. You can find out more information online.
Check out the website Reemsfocommissioner dot com. Sheriff always a
great time. Really looking forward to seeing you Wednesday night.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
Thanks again, Ryan, I appreciate it all.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Right, Scherf.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Steve Reams right there and again g Brock's special guests
for political talk with Reems at Brockler Gutterson Estate in Greeley.
That's Wednesday night here on the twenty ninth, And you
want to join us and I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I don't. I can't keep these guys on the rails.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
There's no chance of that happening. But we will have
fun and there will be there pizza. What a combination
for you. Take this time out, we'll wrap it all
up your tax five seven, seven thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
After these words on Ryan.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Schuling Life, you were talking about the difference in being
at the podium and then now in your personal capacity,
the Special Counsel Robert Herr, when his report came out
about President Biden and the classified documents, you stood from
the White House podium February twenty twenty four and you
(31:28):
said that his commentary was gratuitous, that it was unacceptable,
and it didn't live in reality. And clearly the American
public saw another side of Joe Biden's mental acuity during
the Summer's debate. Robert Hurr was unemployable for a period
because of the attacks from the Democrats and from the
(31:49):
White House that you were at the podium leading. Have
you apologized to Robert Herr?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (31:54):
I mean, look what I can say to you is
I saw the president.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Every single day.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
It wasn't one off, it wasn't once in a while.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I saw him every day every day.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
He is someone that was shark case have you gone back?
Speaker 7 (32:11):
He was?
Speaker 11 (32:13):
He had pretty sharp comments about and we all saw
a different reality and your personal pastory.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
Saying is is my reality was this? My reality was
somebody that I saw every single day who was shark,
who pushed his team was understanding very clearly of the
policy of history that is.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
What I saw.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
I could only speak for what I saw on a
daily basis for two and a half years, almost four
years actually, and it was White House pre secretary obviously
for two.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And a half years.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
And that is the president that I.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
Know, someone who woke up every day and was very
zeroed in and focused on how to deliver for this
part for the American people.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And that's what I'm speaking to, is what I saw
every day about her.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
There's not many people who can say, oh, you know,
they saw that, they saw somebody every day like the
President of evisation was able to.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Speak for him.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm able to do that.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
I was his White House prescretary. You were called into
the Oval office on a daily basis. I traveled with
him ninety five percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And so I'm speaking for myself here.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
I'm speaking for what I saw.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And that was why I pushed back. I pushed back.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
That is so incredibly obtuse. That would be the kindest explanation.
The other would be she would be blind. She'd be
blind like Stevie Wonder because if she was with them
ninety five percent of the time, she would have seen
some of these mental breakdowns that everyone else saw like
(33:45):
we saw, like Barack Obama helping him off the stage
at the George Clooney fundraiser and Clooney going my god,
the guy's cooked, and then writing the op ed after
the debate performance, and when at least Jordan credit to her.
I can't believe she's still employed by MSNBC. That's with
that NT. They were not having it, whether it was
her or now. At least Jordan's got some bush conservative
(34:06):
background with Condaleza Rice working in that vein, so that's
not too surprising. But the other cliff that you heard
before this with I'man Moyelden, that guy is not a
conservative and he was not.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Having it with KJP. So she's gone over like a
lead balloon. Does she wake up.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Every day thinking about being a black lesbian woman. She
sure does, she said so, And that goes to Patty here.
I wake up every day thinking how petty I can
be today. Patty, that is good use of your time.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Ryan.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
I am hit or miss on the red light cameras.
But if they are really going to go after a
funding source, cameras at the on wrap stoplights, oh yeah,
those are more like a suggestion, I guess but I don't.
I think it's confusing for drivers like me because sometimes
those are on in higher volume traffic times that's when
they go red green, red green, and then sometimes they're
(34:55):
off and you breeze.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right through them.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
But those timing like it's supposed to be one car
green's It's a madhouse with those things. Another one along
these light nines on the red light cameras. Ryan, ten
red light cameras and Boulder, and they just added radar
to all ten of those intersections. Well, they're clamping down
and the People's Republic of Boulder shocking, I know.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Ryan.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Please tell Sheriff Reames that I love it when he
fills in for Dan. We also need him to fill
in for you occasionally. I'm very much in favor of that.
I think the Weld County grouping will be a great time,
especially if George Brockler is going to be there. I
am not from Weald County, Well Texter neither am I
and I'm going you have every reason and motivation to
go to political talk with Reams and Broccler. That's this Wednesday,
(35:39):
six to eight pm at the Gutterson Estate in Greeley.
That's thirty six ninety five sixty fifth Avenue. Join us
for beer and pizza and a lot of fun conversation.
Find out more reemsfour commissioner dot com. I'll talk to
you tomorrow on Ryan Schuling Live
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