Lindsay Datko, founder of JeffCo Kids First, joins Ryan with more evidence of lax policies in JeffCo Public Schools regarding teacher behavior and discipline, demonstrating a pattern of enabled and tolerated abuse in the district.
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Jennifer Sey, founder of XX-XY Athletics, joins Ryan to discuss the disappointing and disturbing cloture vote in the U.S. Senate - 51-45 along party lines - which effectively killed the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act. What will be the political ramifications for Democrats dying on this hill, which is the short end of an 80-20 issue nationally?
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Jennifer Sey, founder of XX-XY Athletics, joins Ryan to discuss the disappointing and disturbing cloture vote in the U.S. Senate - 51-45 along party lines - which effectively killed the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act. What will be the political ramifications for Democrats dying on this hill, which is the short end of an 80-20 issue nationally?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And you're referring again to the paperwork to have your
daughter declared homeless even though she had this great home.
Right Yes, people at school, without telling you or even
asking you, Hey, how are things at home?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
People at school, we're filling out to have your daughter
taken away declared homeless.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Right yes. Wow.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
So I'm keep in mind if I would not have
found this paperwork underneath my child's bed, I would have
never known.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Principle didn't tell you about that, none?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
And it was signed when the victim in this case
was a minor child.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Home.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Obviously this cannot stand.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And as we've been talking about during the break, gott
to find a way right, got to find a way
to make this right.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, riveting radio yesterday and one of the most important
interviews I think that will ever take place on the
Dan Caplis Show. And that's just a portion of it.
If you haven't heard it, I would invite and implore
you to check.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It out on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You can subscribe, download, listen, whether that's on iHeart, Spotify,
your favorite podcast platform The Dan Kaplas Show. The two
episodes yesterday, they are labeled and who you heard there
was the mother of the Columbine High School student who
allegedly was groomed from the age of fifteen by her
sophomore social studies teacher, who is also a female, who,
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as it happens to be, was a lesbian, and who
the principal, Scott Christie said, took an interest in helping
students navigate their sexuality. You know, just like other students
like me might have an interest in baseball.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
He made that direct comparison.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's a matter of record, and it's a matter of
record thanks in large part to the work of our
next guest. She is the founder of Jeffco Kids First.
She's a parent of students in the Jefferson County School
District public school district. Lindsey Datko our guest here on
Ryan Shirley Live. Lindsay, welcome back.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
When you heard the interview on yesterday's show with Dan Kaplis,
and I know that the mother is keeping her name
anonymous for the time being, I'm not sure how long
she'll be able to do that and continue to pursue
this case, which she absolutely should. She should have the
full support of these listeners on this show and throughout
the state of Colorado. What you thought when what you
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heard and how it all adds up for you. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
I know the ins and outs of this case, and
I've been working with this family for the last three years,
trying to pave a way to be able to make
public and bring it forward. And when I heard the
mother discuss the letter she left on the counter for
her daughter, who turned eighteen and then was moving in
with the speech pathologist, my heart shattered into pieces. And
(02:55):
I believe that listening to the mother has made this
story very real and relevant to people who now realize
that this could happen to them at any time due
to a lack of accountability, a lack of adequate consequence.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The young student involved was a model student, a four
point six GPA. We heard her mother talk about that yesterday.
She was active in school activities, including athletics. She had
a stable home life by her own mother's account, and
the fact that she had a younger sister also in
the school district who seemed to be perfectly fine.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You saw this. I texted it to you, Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I had a back and forth with an educator, shall
we put it that way, in the state of Colorado
who was skeptical of the story and theorized that the
reason this young woman and girl at the time fifteen
years old going on eighteen in those years in between
may have been hesitant to come to her mother and
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maybe come out as gay to her mother would be
that she might be subjected to conversion, shock therapy, pray
the gay away, a far right wing therapist or counselor
who might try to talk her out of being gay.
To your knowledge, as you know this family, would there
have been any hesitation reasonable or rational from that young
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woman and coming out as gay to her family.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I know this family to be loving and accepting, and
one of the first things the mom ever told me
was I would never reject my daughter. Those were some
of the first words she told me when she called
me three years ago for under any circumstances. But my
daughter has slipped through my fingers and been failed. And
reading that exchange from that teacher, that DPS teacher, the
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only word that came to me Ryan was predictable. There
is a narrative that is automatic if anybody is concerned
about the influence that our schools have on our child's
intimate lives. And I am strongly stating that the vast
majority of people in this state were do not believe
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it is okay for a school to have overreach in
such a manner.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Further than that point, Linda Dako our guest jeffco Kids First,
what was galling, appalling, and chilling to me about that
exchange I had with the teacher you mentioned, Lindsey, Was
she completely ignored the fact and I have been a
college educator, a graduate assistant, I've been a coach, I
have been a camp counselor. And what she ignored or
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failed to address, and what I constantly was trying to
rub her nose in like a dog that made a
mess in the living room, was I don't care about
any of the background or circumstances about the child's sexuality.
It is never appropriate for an instructor, for a teacher
in an adult role of responsibility and care over a
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child to have a romantic relationship with a student, especially.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
An underage one.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
She finally conceded that point, but I think it took
seventeen tweets.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Yeah, I need an impressive job, Ryan. I hope I
can follow your lead on how you handled that, But.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Seriously, it just it blows my mind that in this
day and age Lindsley twenty twenty five, that we can't
simply agree on the facts of that matter, that if
a teacher is it pursuing a student romantically, never is
it ever acceptable under any circumstances or any qualification or
any explanation.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And yet there are many on the left they're like, well,
we got to hear her side.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Of the story, I meaning the student who did not
have agency, was a minor and could not consent to
such a relationship.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Absolutely, And I don't know if you noticed, but that
person deleted their Twitter account after your exchange.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
All right, that.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Fantastic, breaking news, breaking news, But you're absolutely right, Ryan.
And one other pattern we're seeing here is that seventeen
year olds are suddenly adults in Jeffso schools. And that
is just not fact. That's not legal fact, that's not
logical fact. And they are still young miners who are
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navigating their lives, who needs their parents, and proper procedure
must be followed, and interference by teachers to take on
roles that aren't theirs is purely dangerous. And this case
embodies every fear we are seeing with these exact issues Lizzy.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
There are laws, there are policies at a school, and
then there's just simple plaint ethics. There is nothing about
this relationship, this arrangement, no matter how you view it
legally from a policy standpoint, that is ethical. There is
nothing ethical about a teacher taking an interest in a
student and trying to help her with her navigate her sexuality. Ever,
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she did not have that proper training as a counselor
somebody that would have gone through and had that qualification,
and then the person that did have that it would appear, lindsay,
and you can fill in the blanks here.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
What I'm viewing this as.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I kind of I take it kind of as like
a detective would of what are the pieces of the
puzzle that d up here and what I'm witnessing here?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Correct me if you think I'm wrong or you need
to adjust.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It was that this speech pathologist, which the student didn't
have a problem with speech from what we know, served
as kind of a halfway house. They declare the student homeless,
and rather than the student moving in right away directly
with the teacher who was grooming her, Okay, we're not
going to do that, but there was like this middling
option of you can come live with a speech pathologist,
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waited out till you're eighteen, and then moved to California
with the teacher.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 6 (08:40):
You do? And I think that's a piece that's missing
for a lot of people that there was an additional
teacher who served as the middleman and the go between
as this child was being trafficked and ushered out of
her family's home. She went to that teacher's home while
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the teacher was on military leave and then escaped with
the teacher. So yes, you have that exactly right.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
It's chilling, and not just for the parents in the
jeff Coo School District, although that is ground zero for
all of this, and Lindsay Deko joins his jeff co
Kids first. Any parent of any public school student in
the state of Colorado, if you're in DPS.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I would be concerned. I live in the Cherry Creek
School District.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I'm concerned by the liberal bent of that board and
the superintendent, who I've covered on this show as well.
There's just an allegiance of fealty to the leftist wild
policies of acceptance in trying to adoctrinate kids and think
that they know better as educators what's good for the
children the students than the parents do. And that was
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another point the superintendent of Cherry Creek High School saying
in the midst of these potential ice deportations that we're
a family here at Cherry Creek High School.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And I'm like, bull blank, you're not.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We're a family. My kids are my family. I'm the parent,
They're my child. You are not their family. Stop using
that word and keep it out of your mouth. Lindsey,
I think this is serving up the obfuscation, the confusion that.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Kids might have of who they can trust.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And that again, that is inherent unto itself that a
school would present itself to a student just being hey,
where your family now.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
It's creepy.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
It sure is.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
And as a teacher, I can tell you the power
of an educator and a classroom is immense and if
those powers are abused, then our children are at severe risk.
And Ryan, I don't know if you want me to
share the new news out of Columbine, out of the
court system, but it shows a similar pattern.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And that's the thing, Lindsay, And I'll lead you right
into it and see it up for you, because those
that are just tuning in might be hearing about this
for the first time. This Columbine High School grooming scandal
is far from an isolated incident in jeff Co Public schools.
They had an administrator off himself in Maryland when he
was caught with child pornography on his computer. Case one,
there was another admin assistant, somebody that was on the
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faculty who was grooming and abusing a special needs boy,
instructed the boy to bring a gun to school so
he could shoot this person's rival. That's another case. These
are just the bullet point cases. There are so many more.
Then we had the Columbine High School grooming case, and
now Lindsey, you have found something else.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Yes, and we've got the social worker case and all
of those disturbing cases. But yes, there was a teacher
at Ralson Valley High School who had serious disciplinary action
dating back to twenty thirteen, and I just want to
share a couple of details that are shocking to show
a pattern. He received letters of direction for displaying an
inappropriate art objects and failure to comply with orders not
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to be alone with students. He was suspended for violating
those directives. In twenty eighteen, who he received another letter
twenty nineteen two more letters. On several of these occasions,
he was placed on admin leave and then Safe to
Tell tips indicating concern about a sexual relationship with a
former student came in. There were reports of this relationship
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from students to the principle, so the principle responded by
moving him closer to the front office and demanding that
his classroom doorby kept open at all times. And then
another Safe to Tell came in in twenty twenty four.
More Safe to Tell reports were filed of unprofessional behavior
and grooming. There was a parent complaint. Finally, in June
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twenty twenty four, he was allowed to resign in lieu
of termination, and in August there was a report filed
by the district to the Colorado Department Department of Education.
He was paid on the taxpayer dime through September, and
his separation agreement shows he's not allowed to be near
kids in jeff Cost schools, but his license remains active.
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So we're talking fourteen years of disciplinary action before he
was allowed to resign, and so these patterns are recurring,
and we have a culture of secrecy, a culture of
excuses that favors adults who exhibit these patterns and break policy,
intend to deceive parents, and we've all got to open
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our eyes here and demand change.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Lindsey Dako jeffco Kids first, following up on this case
that you just described and mentioned as disturbing as it is,
this was that Columbine.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
This was a different high school, but I want to
share with you really quick, at Columbine High School today,
a judge just denied motions to be dismissed by the district.
In the same year the homeless and grooming case we've
been discussing, there was another and separate case actually filed
as a lawsuit. Four of the same leaders in that
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case who are listed as a failure to report and
protect this student after sexual assault. And the similarities are
jarring and disturbing. And so I think the patterns that
we're exposing are going to get us somewhere that we're
going to get the attention of law enforcement, and we're
going to be able to finally protect students over adults.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Lindsay, it seems to me there is a cabal here.
There's a cauldron of people who are all of a
hive mind.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And they don't think to question one another.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You are an agent of chaos in the best possible
way on the outside who thinks and pushes.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
To question these things.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But we're talking about a principal at Columbine High School,
counselors there as well a teacher who was implicated these
several cases. You have a superintendent, you have a president
of a school board, you have school board members, and
not one of them can stand up, push back and
do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
How was that possible?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Yeah, it's difficult to look back at the response from
district leadership. If you remember the superintendent in the Dan
Kaplis interview, her letter was outlined where her words were,
I'm sorry that what happened to you left you frustrated
and angry, And that was the response to the family
who lost their child.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Now, I was asking you in a series of texts,
and you and I have been going back and forth
now for weeks on this about where the district attorney
in the first judicial district, whose watch and purview this
would be under Alexis King if she has had any
public comment or sentiment expressed or comments revealed to you,
either publicly or privately about what is happening here on
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her watch, on her watch, And then the sheriff of
jeff Co, Reggie Marinelli, what can you tell us about
these two law enforcement elements where they might be in
all of this, Because I'm thinking that the teachers union
in a public school is very powerful and it's very
difficult perhaps to fire a teacher, even if you suspect
that there might be some kind of violation.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Of protocol, ethics policy, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But the law enforcement should be a neutral arbiter here
that could come in and press charges if a crime
had occurred. Where are you on that front, Lindsay, and
the course of your investigation and trying to root these
things out.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Yeah, I'm working with the family to ensure and help
them connect with the investigator who who is now over
their case and hoping that that person will be able
to recommend charges to Alexis King, who is our DA.
I have not had contact with her, but I do
know that she has all of the information on her desk,
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including from Alison the PI, who has outlined in pristine,
immaculate detail and sent it directly to her as someone
who voted for her even and so right now we
are waiting for a response, and I have no knowledge
of where the sheriff stands or what the sheriff has
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said about it.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
There's such a butterfly effect here, Lindsay that revolves around
just a couple of points. It's Alison Browner doing the
research as a private investigator, volunteering her time because she
was concerned about her own son in the district.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
It's you founding jeffco kids first.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's the mother of the groomed and abused Columbine High
school student who just happened to find some correspondents, letters, texts, etc.
Under the bed of her daughter. If none of those
things happen, If all three of those things don't happen,
we're not having this conversation right now, are we.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
That's correct. And if it weren't for the open records,
which revealed additional details of actual deception and intent to
deceive the parents, we wouldn't have had that initial news
story from Sean Boyd. And so it really has been
the effort of community members and the family to find
accountability for these horrific circumstances.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And the thing it gets me the most, Lens, You've
got about a minute and a half left is that
Jeffco Public Schools and derivative from that Columbine High School.
It's been drips and drabs if that, and only when
pressed on details, only when forced into action. Otherwise they
are obstinate. They are serving to serve up, subterfuge and
block out anybody inquiring about these cases.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Is that in the best interest of the students? Yeah,
that is correct.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
We have definitely found a pattern by finding separation agreements
and police records through open records. That is not until
there are either criminal charges or involvement and law enforcement
that there is any sort of accountability or termination or
forcing a resignation. And our children are at risk even
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with the misconduct. Some of this is very serious, as
I outlined the fourteen years of disciplinary action in a
sexual relationship with a student that could have been avoided.
Speaker 8 (18:36):
And so we're tired.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Of the reactive state of jeff Co Public schools. We
want proactivity and our children deserve it and we demand
it as the community and as their parents.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You can find out more their Facebook page, check it out,
join it jeff Co Kids First. She's the founder, Lindsay Datko. Lindsay,
thank you so much for your time and your efforts.
Great work. We'll talk to you again soon, Lincy Dako.
They are your reaction at five seven seven, three nine,
back with more after this.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
The bills shouldn't even be necessary. I mean protecting opportunities
for women and fair competition for women. This is something
we have fought for and has been a commonplace throughout America, certainly,
and who would have ever thought we would be going backwards?
Where are all the Democratic women who stood up for
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this so long? You know, I am so proud of Republicans.
I was proud to support this bill. We will continue
to fight for this and fight for girls and women.
And look, hey, the Republicans are now the party of women.
We are the one that want to advance meaningful competition
and opportunities for women. The Democrats need to get back
on board. Certainly, the American people are, and all they
(19:52):
keep doing is demonstrating that they will work against the
wishes of the American people who are in fact supposed
to be running this country and setting the laws. The
American people, not the Democrats who think.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
They know better.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Senator Ashley Moody, she assumed the senatorial role that Marco
Rubio departed in the state of Florida, also Republican when
he became Secretary of State, making some valid points there.
In a strict party line vote fifty one forty five,
the Protecting Women's and Girls' Sports Act goes down because
it doesn't pass the cloture vote, which in the Senate
(20:27):
they needed to get to sixty forty for it to
advance for a full vote on the floor.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
It didn't make it to that point.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Mary, a single Democrat cross party lines to vote for this.
They at least got a couple of those in the House.
This is an eighty twenty issue where I believe it's
two thirds of Democrat voters support barring biological males from
girls and women's sports and spaces and joining us now.
(20:54):
She has been front line in this cause. You can
find out more about her product. She's the founder of
xxxy Athletics and you can go online xx hyphen xy
athletics dot com. Jennifer Say our guest on Ryan Schuling Live. Jennifer,
welcome back, Thanks for having me. Rin Well, I'm trying
to figure out what the strategy is even if it
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was just a cold cynical political play by Democrats that
they won't even touch this issue, and they're kind of vacillating.
I quote tweeted you earlier today on this spectrum of
gas lighting, where the first step is it's not happening,
and you're crazy if you think it is. Step two
is it's happening, but you're making way too big a
deal about this. You women need to calm down, just
(21:36):
settle down over there. And then point three would be
it's happening. You know what, Actually it's a good thing
that it's happening that Leah Thomas is swimming in at
the college women's national Championships. And then the fourth one,
which is it's happening and if you stand up against it,
you're a bigot and you better just accept this. So
I think we're vacillating on this scale. But the Democrats
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are still at that step two where it's like, well,
look it's happened, but it's only ten maybe athletes here
or there. It's a massive overreaction. Is politicizing the issue?
How do you respond to that, Jennifer.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Well, I would argue they're politicizing the issue. First of all,
this is an issue which, as you stated, eighty percent
of Americans agree on that includes a majority of Democrats,
and you know, these are the source of issues. My
understanding is that politicians look for that can bring people together,
bring Congress together. And yet the Democrats seem to be
saying they're going to die on the hill of letting
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men steal women's opportunities. You ask what their strategy is.
I don't think they have one other than to not
admit that they've been wrong. And you know, you're correct.
It starts if it's not happening, and then it very
quickly goes to, well, it's happening and it's a good thing,
and isn't this so great in social justice and isn't
this a triumph for quote unquote women. But in fact,
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it's stealing opportunity and rights, privacy, safety, and fairness from women.
And you know, in as much as this is a
strategy for them, it's a poor one, and I think
they're going to regret it.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
One of the reasons I like having Jennifer say On
is she's based right here in Colorado. And in fact,
when I go to your website, Jen, I see xxtash
Xyathletics dot com and the cover photo right now is
at Redrocks it's looking pretty awesome, and I want to
encourage people to go there and shop for athletic gear.
But it brings us to Colorado in the form of
our Senator John Hickenlooper, whose term is coming up in
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twenty twenty six. He plans on running for re election.
I believe, and let's just go down memory lane. John
Hickenlooper commenting on women. It's gotten him into trouble before.
Colorado former Governor John Hickenlooper is standing by a comment
he made on national television.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Well, Hickenlooper, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination,
appeared in the CNN town hall last night. It was
this exchange that's raising some eyebrows.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Governor, some of your male competitors have vowed to put
a woman on the take.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Yes or no?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Would you do the same, Well again, of course, but
I think that we should be Well, I'll ask you
another question.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
How come we are asking the question?
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I know, I know, But how come we're not asking
we're not asking more often the women? Would you be
willing to put a man on the ticket?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Hecken Looper, later saying his point was that too often
media discounts the chance of a woman winning by asking
questions like she did.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Women are often the small business generators. They start and
start small, they start and grow small businesses in disproportional numbers,
and in a crisis like this, they are also the
ones who often get shut down, and the original Cares
Act didn't get enough resources.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
To those truly small businesses.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
We also have to make sure that women get paid fairly,
and we know in this country they're getting paid, you know,
in many cases seventy seventy five cents on the dollar
of what men get paid and long overdue. That the
Senate and Washington should take this on and make sure
that it's a level playing field for everyone.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Interesting he would use that phrase, a level playing field
for everyone except for women and girls in sports apparently,
and he had this remark in print media. To voting
against the bill yesterday, he said Senator Tubberville is trying
to churn the social wars about something that really doesn't exist.
John Hickenlooper said after he voted to block the bill.
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Hickenloper is announced he will run for reelection, and despite
his vote, said he does not believe transgender women should
be able to compete in women's sports if the other
women object, but only if continuing quote. I saw the
ads he said of the election in twenty twenty four,
when Trump highlighted the issue.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I think that's the kind of ad that works once.
I don't think it'll work again. It's an infinitesimally small
group of people that are really trying to find their
ways now, Jennifer, one of the reasons I want to
play that sound for you is you are a woman
in business. You have created your own company. You did
work as an executive for Levi's, and he was talking
about that during the pandemic, about businesses being shut down
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and women aren't getting equal pay for equal work, and
we need a level playing field for everyone.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Why doesn't that apply to women athletes?
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Well, it's not making any sense. I mean, gosh, you
said a lot there, or he said he said a
lot there. First of all for every male. And I
feel like every time I go online, I see another
male feeling a trophy from a young woman. Just this
past weekend in California, a male athlete won both the
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long jump and the triple jump. He won the triple
jump by eight feet. That was, you know, the next
closest competitor who got second jumped eight feet less than
this mail. I mean, that's that's insane. It's a male
high school athlete who is now ranked number one in
California in women's long jump and triple jump. It happens
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in Maine, it happens in California, it happens in Washington.
Every time I turn around, there's another email. And even
without all of these new examples, you know, the un
issue to report, the counsel and women issue to report,
that has happened over nine hundred times already, just in
the last few years. And I want to know what's
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enough times that it matters to these people. How many
injuries are enough that it matters? Because I personally know
Peyton McNabb, the volleyball player who in twenty twenty two
suffered a traumatic brain injury from being hit in the
face of the volleyball. She will be at the President's
address tonight. She has partial paralysis on one side of
her face, and, like I said, a traumatic brain injury.
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Her life is not the same. She cannot play sports anymore.
She couldn't play sports in college, which is what she
was hoping to do. So is that enough or not enough.
Do I need ten women who have a traumatic brain injury?
I mean what's required? So their argument makes no sense.
And for every male that wins, it isn't just one male.
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It's every single woman that was in that competition that
had to face unfair competition. It's every woman in the
locker room that feels unsafe and threatened by having a
male in her private space. So what about the women
don't They can't. I don't understand why the women don't matter.
And you know, I was just chatting with some of
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my colleagues before I got on the phone with you.
One of the funniest arguments that the pushback I get
is from women who are like, you're telling girls they
can't beat men. Yeah, I'm living in reality. I mean
men are fisteen to seventeen percent faster than women. There
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is a reason why if you are trying to get
into the Boston Marathon, the qualifying time for women is
sixteen percent slower. They know this, they're playing games with language.
I am not talking down to women. Women are amazing athletes.
In many instances, they play the sports that men also
play very differently. I mean, take one at gymnastics, fort
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for instance, it's not even the same events as men
right because the sport is crafted to their various strengths.
Women have grades and flexibility and also power the men's dements.
There is no dancing or flexibility required. It's sheer power.
There's a reason that women don't do the ring. They
don't have the shoulder strength to do it. So it
just makes no sense all around. And I just continue
(29:22):
to be amazed every single day that the party that
claims to be the party for women is willing to
die on this hill and letting men feel women's opportunities.
I think they will come to regret it. I think
it will take some time. And as I've been saying
for a very long time, the executive order is not
the end of this. We need legislation. We had a
step back last night with the vote in the Senate,
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but truth will out in the end and we will win.
But everybody needs to, you know, get ready to fight.
You know, we need the eighty percent of Americans that
agree with us to stand up and say it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
She's one of the leaders in this fight.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
The founder and CEO of xx X Y Athletics follow
her on X. Jennifers say that's sey the argument I
always present. And I was an athlete as well, Jennifer,
although not as accomplished as you in gymnastics. But we
know having competed you and me on any level, if
you competed, you know there are differences. And here's my
example that always kind of flummoxes the left. If it's
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a level playing field and we're interchangeable parts and the
Y chromosome doesn't mean anything that why are there no
trans men biological women born as women become men. Why
are there none in the NBA, the NHL, Major League Baseball,
the NFL, Tennis, any of those? Why are there no
trans men? Why does this only go one direction?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That's my question.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
It's a great question. And why if it's so important
to compete in the category that aligns with your gender identity,
why aren't the women who claim to be men competing
in men?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Right?
Speaker 8 (30:51):
They're all still so everybody's competing in women's. Women's is
a big party. The men who say that women competing women,
the women who say they're men competing women. And I'll
tell you this behind the scenes, the women who think
they're men and take testosterone are angry that they can't
compete in women's while taking TESTOSTERA. Finally, is the thing
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it's happening.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You mentioned the President's addressed to the Nation tonight, and
it seems like he's going to come out no holds
barred and pull no punches, et cetera. This was a
big issue, and it was so much so that it
was one of the first executive orders that he signed,
and it was with a big ceremony. You were in
attendance for that. What would you like President Trump to
say about this bill that failed to get out of
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cloture in the Senate tonight.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
I would like to one thank him for signing the
executive order and putting it at the center of the
cultural conversation. And I would like to ask him to
tell the NCAA they need to rewrite their policy to
uphold his executive order and hold the States accountable for
adhering to the executive order.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You could find her athletic gear at xx hyphen x
y athletics dot com and again red Rocks featured right
on that splash picture at the very beginning, and you
can follow her on x at Jennifer say s e y, Jennifer,
You're such a great fighter for this cause. Don't give
it up. We're right there with you. We'll continue this
fight until we get it done. Thank you so much
for your time today.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Thanks for having me Jennifer.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Say five seven seven three nine to offer your reaction,
and we'll close things out on Ryan Schuling Live this
Tuesday edition.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
After these words, oh.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
Observe it and yell and porous isense be something you wish?
Speaker 7 (32:57):
When the White House Press Team decides to step in
and override the White House Correspondence Association, who they have
the job of doing that, then what we're looking at
is State TV. Yep.
Speaker 10 (33:08):
What we're looking at is what Russia is doing. What
we're looking at is what North Korea is doing, and
we are doing that. They are attacking the fiber of
the freedom of the press. They're destroying it because they
want to be covered in a friendly way.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
A few moments later, that's why they lost.
Speaker 11 (33:27):
He didn't win the democrass five people what those issues were. Sure,
let's rewind people what those issues can do.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
They are.
Speaker 11 (33:35):
Making sure that families had what they need, making sure
stuff is there, making sure that the America that we
all grew up in, where you could come and be
whoever you is supposed.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
To be or want to be. You still have that right.
Speaker 11 (33:49):
All these things are the things that the Democrats have
always said. But now we have a guy who's then
who says, yeah, you know, I'm going to bring down
a price of eggs, but first I'm gonna all these
jobs and I'm not going to see why they need
to be cut I'm just gonna cut up because I'm
gonna put people in Well, that's what he's doing. He's
doing all alienat a friends around the world here.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
But you're talking about what he's doing.
Speaker 11 (34:12):
But before you brought that up, you brought up the
message that the Democratic Party was disseminating.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I'm challenging you on that. That is not what they
were doing.
Speaker 11 (34:19):
I'm we did it.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I was here, we did it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
What cue the James Franco meme from AX like what
we just heard Crane John Pierre, same show, The View
say that, uh, the Trump administration only wants media that's
friendly to them, Wills, the View is only friendly to
carrying out the Democrat talking points that Whoopy Goldberg just
(34:46):
elucidated for stephen A.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Smith. To stephen A's.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Credit, this is a guy who I don't think realizes
that he's really a Republican.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
There are a lot of people like this that have
come along in time that have been redpilled Elon Musk Rogan,
Michael Schellenberger. Perhaps to a degree, there's several. I think
Smith is almost there, but he's just got to like
it's got a click from it, you know what. I
might not like Trump, but everything he espouses, for the
most part, comes from a fundamentally conservative position. I don't
(35:16):
know if I'll ever get there all the way. But
he's friendly with Sean Hannity, he's friendly with Mark Levin.
Well see, I have hope for steven A.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Smith. And he also put Joy Behar in her place
about the election. That might be sound.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We have coming up on Dan Kaplis in just a
little bit. This from a text for five, seven, seven,
three nine. Twenty years ago, I brought a failure to
report case against a counselor mandatory reporter. The biggest problem
then was the teacher union in their political power, they
squashed the case. That has been my concern and what
I brought up with Lindsay Dako Chef COO Kids first
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was the unions are so powerful it's very difficult to
fire teachers, even bad teachers, even teachers who should be fired,
even teachers who violate policy and cross that line grooming students.
That should be an automatic. And I'm the type of
guy if I was a teacher that would infuriate you.
I had a lot of bad teachers in my midst
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working at my school.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Maybe I'm just different.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
We'll take this time out, come back Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Next, I'll talk to you tomorrow. Here I'm Ryan Schuling
Live
And you're referring again to the paperwork to have your
daughter declared homeless even though she had this great home.
Right Yes, people at school, without telling you or even
asking you, Hey, how are things at home?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
People at school, we're filling out to have your daughter
taken away declared homeless.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Right yes. Wow.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
So I'm keep in mind if I would not have
found this paperwork underneath my child's bed, I would have
never known.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Principle didn't tell you about that, none?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
And it was signed when the victim in this case
was a minor child.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Home.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Obviously this cannot stand.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And as we've been talking about during the break, gott
to find a way right, got to find a way
to make this right.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, riveting radio yesterday and one of the most important
interviews I think that will ever take place on the
Dan Caplis Show. And that's just a portion of it.
If you haven't heard it, I would invite and implore
you to check.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It out on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You can subscribe, download, listen, whether that's on iHeart, Spotify,
your favorite podcast platform The Dan Kaplas Show. The two
episodes yesterday, they are labeled and who you heard there
was the mother of the Columbine High School student who
allegedly was groomed from the age of fifteen by her
sophomore social studies teacher, who is also a female, who,
(01:26):
as it happens to be, was a lesbian, and who
the principal, Scott Christie said, took an interest in helping
students navigate their sexuality. You know, just like other students
like me might have an interest in baseball.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
He made that direct comparison.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's a matter of record, and it's a matter of
record thanks in large part to the work of our
next guest. She is the founder of Jeffco Kids First.
She's a parent of students in the Jefferson County School
District public school district. Lindsey Datko our guest here on
Ryan Shirley Live. Lindsay, welcome back.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
When you heard the interview on yesterday's show with Dan Kaplis,
and I know that the mother is keeping her name
anonymous for the time being, I'm not sure how long
she'll be able to do that and continue to pursue
this case, which she absolutely should. She should have the
full support of these listeners on this show and throughout
the state of Colorado. What you thought when what you
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heard and how it all adds up for you. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
I know the ins and outs of this case, and
I've been working with this family for the last three years,
trying to pave a way to be able to make
public and bring it forward. And when I heard the
mother discuss the letter she left on the counter for
her daughter, who turned eighteen and then was moving in
with the speech pathologist, my heart shattered into pieces. And
(02:55):
I believe that listening to the mother has made this
story very real and relevant to people who now realize
that this could happen to them at any time due
to a lack of accountability, a lack of adequate consequence.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The young student involved was a model student, a four
point six GPA. We heard her mother talk about that yesterday.
She was active in school activities, including athletics. She had
a stable home life by her own mother's account, and
the fact that she had a younger sister also in
the school district who seemed to be perfectly fine.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You saw this. I texted it to you, Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I had a back and forth with an educator, shall
we put it that way, in the state of Colorado
who was skeptical of the story and theorized that the
reason this young woman and girl at the time fifteen
years old going on eighteen in those years in between
may have been hesitant to come to her mother and
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maybe come out as gay to her mother would be
that she might be subjected to conversion, shock therapy, pray
the gay away, a far right wing therapist or counselor
who might try to talk her out of being gay.
To your knowledge, as you know this family, would there
have been any hesitation reasonable or rational from that young
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woman and coming out as gay to her family.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I know this family to be loving and accepting, and
one of the first things the mom ever told me
was I would never reject my daughter. Those were some
of the first words she told me when she called
me three years ago for under any circumstances. But my
daughter has slipped through my fingers and been failed. And
reading that exchange from that teacher, that DPS teacher, the
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only word that came to me Ryan was predictable. There
is a narrative that is automatic if anybody is concerned
about the influence that our schools have on our child's
intimate lives. And I am strongly stating that the vast
majority of people in this state were do not believe
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it is okay for a school to have overreach in
such a manner.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Further than that point, Linda Dako our guest jeffco Kids First,
what was galling, appalling, and chilling to me about that
exchange I had with the teacher you mentioned, Lindsey, Was
she completely ignored the fact and I have been a
college educator, a graduate assistant, I've been a coach, I
have been a camp counselor. And what she ignored or
(05:28):
failed to address, and what I constantly was trying to
rub her nose in like a dog that made a
mess in the living room, was I don't care about
any of the background or circumstances about the child's sexuality.
It is never appropriate for an instructor, for a teacher
in an adult role of responsibility and care over a
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child to have a romantic relationship with a student, especially.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
An underage one.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
She finally conceded that point, but I think it took
seventeen tweets.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Yeah, I need an impressive job, Ryan. I hope I
can follow your lead on how you handled that, But.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Seriously, it just it blows my mind that in this
day and age Lindsley twenty twenty five, that we can't
simply agree on the facts of that matter, that if
a teacher is it pursuing a student romantically, never is
it ever acceptable under any circumstances or any qualification or
any explanation.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And yet there are many on the left they're like, well,
we got to hear her side.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Of the story, I meaning the student who did not
have agency, was a minor and could not consent to
such a relationship.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Absolutely, And I don't know if you noticed, but that
person deleted their Twitter account after your exchange.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
All right, that.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Fantastic, breaking news, breaking news, But you're absolutely right, Ryan.
And one other pattern we're seeing here is that seventeen
year olds are suddenly adults in Jeffso schools. And that
is just not fact. That's not legal fact, that's not
logical fact. And they are still young miners who are
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navigating their lives, who needs their parents, and proper procedure
must be followed, and interference by teachers to take on
roles that aren't theirs is purely dangerous. And this case
embodies every fear we are seeing with these exact issues Lizzy.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
There are laws, there are policies at a school, and
then there's just simple plaint ethics. There is nothing about
this relationship, this arrangement, no matter how you view it
legally from a policy standpoint, that is ethical. There is
nothing ethical about a teacher taking an interest in a
student and trying to help her with her navigate her sexuality. Ever,
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she did not have that proper training as a counselor
somebody that would have gone through and had that qualification,
and then the person that did have that it would appear, lindsay,
and you can fill in the blanks here.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
What I'm viewing this as.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I kind of I take it kind of as like
a detective would of what are the pieces of the
puzzle that d up here and what I'm witnessing here?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Correct me if you think I'm wrong or you need
to adjust.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It was that this speech pathologist, which the student didn't
have a problem with speech from what we know, served
as kind of a halfway house. They declare the student homeless,
and rather than the student moving in right away directly
with the teacher who was grooming her, Okay, we're not
going to do that, but there was like this middling
option of you can come live with a speech pathologist,
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waited out till you're eighteen, and then moved to California
with the teacher.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 6 (08:40):
You do? And I think that's a piece that's missing
for a lot of people that there was an additional
teacher who served as the middleman and the go between
as this child was being trafficked and ushered out of
her family's home. She went to that teacher's home while
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the teacher was on military leave and then escaped with
the teacher. So yes, you have that exactly right.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
It's chilling, and not just for the parents in the
jeff Coo School District, although that is ground zero for
all of this, and Lindsay Deko joins his jeff co
Kids first. Any parent of any public school student in
the state of Colorado, if you're in DPS.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I would be concerned. I live in the Cherry Creek
School District.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I'm concerned by the liberal bent of that board and
the superintendent, who I've covered on this show as well.
There's just an allegiance of fealty to the leftist wild
policies of acceptance in trying to adoctrinate kids and think
that they know better as educators what's good for the
children the students than the parents do. And that was
(09:47):
another point the superintendent of Cherry Creek High School saying
in the midst of these potential ice deportations that we're
a family here at Cherry Creek High School.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And I'm like, bull blank, you're not.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We're a family. My kids are my family. I'm the parent,
They're my child. You are not their family. Stop using
that word and keep it out of your mouth. Lindsey,
I think this is serving up the obfuscation, the confusion that.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Kids might have of who they can trust.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And that again, that is inherent unto itself that a
school would present itself to a student just being hey,
where your family now.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
It's creepy.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
It sure is.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
And as a teacher, I can tell you the power
of an educator and a classroom is immense and if
those powers are abused, then our children are at severe risk.
And Ryan, I don't know if you want me to
share the new news out of Columbine, out of the
court system, but it shows a similar pattern.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And that's the thing, Lindsay, And I'll lead you right
into it and see it up for you, because those
that are just tuning in might be hearing about this
for the first time. This Columbine High School grooming scandal
is far from an isolated incident in jeff Co Public schools.
They had an administrator off himself in Maryland when he
was caught with child pornography on his computer. Case one,
there was another admin assistant, somebody that was on the
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faculty who was grooming and abusing a special needs boy,
instructed the boy to bring a gun to school so
he could shoot this person's rival. That's another case. These
are just the bullet point cases. There are so many more.
Then we had the Columbine High School grooming case, and
now Lindsey, you have found something else.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Yes, and we've got the social worker case and all
of those disturbing cases. But yes, there was a teacher
at Ralson Valley High School who had serious disciplinary action
dating back to twenty thirteen, and I just want to
share a couple of details that are shocking to show
a pattern. He received letters of direction for displaying an
inappropriate art objects and failure to comply with orders not
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to be alone with students. He was suspended for violating
those directives. In twenty eighteen, who he received another letter
twenty nineteen two more letters. On several of these occasions,
he was placed on admin leave and then Safe to
Tell tips indicating concern about a sexual relationship with a
former student came in. There were reports of this relationship
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from students to the principle, so the principle responded by
moving him closer to the front office and demanding that
his classroom doorby kept open at all times. And then
another Safe to Tell came in in twenty twenty four.
More Safe to Tell reports were filed of unprofessional behavior
and grooming. There was a parent complaint. Finally, in June
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twenty twenty four, he was allowed to resign in lieu
of termination, and in August there was a report filed
by the district to the Colorado Department Department of Education.
He was paid on the taxpayer dime through September, and
his separation agreement shows he's not allowed to be near
kids in jeff Cost schools, but his license remains active.
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So we're talking fourteen years of disciplinary action before he
was allowed to resign, and so these patterns are recurring,
and we have a culture of secrecy, a culture of
excuses that favors adults who exhibit these patterns and break policy,
intend to deceive parents, and we've all got to open
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our eyes here and demand change.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Lindsey Dako jeffco Kids first, following up on this case
that you just described and mentioned as disturbing as it is,
this was that Columbine.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
This was a different high school, but I want to
share with you really quick, at Columbine High School today,
a judge just denied motions to be dismissed by the district.
In the same year the homeless and grooming case we've
been discussing, there was another and separate case actually filed
as a lawsuit. Four of the same leaders in that
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case who are listed as a failure to report and
protect this student after sexual assault. And the similarities are
jarring and disturbing. And so I think the patterns that
we're exposing are going to get us somewhere that we're
going to get the attention of law enforcement, and we're
going to be able to finally protect students over adults.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Lindsay, it seems to me there is a cabal here.
There's a cauldron of people who are all of a
hive mind.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And they don't think to question one another.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You are an agent of chaos in the best possible
way on the outside who thinks and pushes.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
To question these things.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But we're talking about a principal at Columbine High School,
counselors there as well a teacher who was implicated these
several cases. You have a superintendent, you have a president
of a school board, you have school board members, and
not one of them can stand up, push back and
do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
How was that possible?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Yeah, it's difficult to look back at the response from
district leadership. If you remember the superintendent in the Dan
Kaplis interview, her letter was outlined where her words were,
I'm sorry that what happened to you left you frustrated
and angry, And that was the response to the family
who lost their child.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Now, I was asking you in a series of texts,
and you and I have been going back and forth
now for weeks on this about where the district attorney
in the first judicial district, whose watch and purview this
would be under Alexis King if she has had any
public comment or sentiment expressed or comments revealed to you,
either publicly or privately about what is happening here on
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her watch, on her watch, And then the sheriff of
jeff Co, Reggie Marinelli, what can you tell us about
these two law enforcement elements where they might be in
all of this, Because I'm thinking that the teachers union
in a public school is very powerful and it's very
difficult perhaps to fire a teacher, even if you suspect
that there might be some kind of violation.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Of protocol, ethics policy, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But the law enforcement should be a neutral arbiter here
that could come in and press charges if a crime
had occurred. Where are you on that front, Lindsay, and
the course of your investigation and trying to root these
things out.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Yeah, I'm working with the family to ensure and help
them connect with the investigator who who is now over
their case and hoping that that person will be able
to recommend charges to Alexis King, who is our DA.
I have not had contact with her, but I do
know that she has all of the information on her desk,
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including from Alison the PI, who has outlined in pristine,
immaculate detail and sent it directly to her as someone
who voted for her even and so right now we
are waiting for a response, and I have no knowledge
of where the sheriff stands or what the sheriff has
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said about it.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
There's such a butterfly effect here, Lindsay that revolves around
just a couple of points. It's Alison Browner doing the
research as a private investigator, volunteering her time because she
was concerned about her own son in the district.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
It's you founding jeffco kids first.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's the mother of the groomed and abused Columbine High
school student who just happened to find some correspondents, letters, texts, etc.
Under the bed of her daughter. If none of those
things happen, If all three of those things don't happen,
we're not having this conversation right now, are we.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
That's correct. And if it weren't for the open records,
which revealed additional details of actual deception and intent to
deceive the parents, we wouldn't have had that initial news
story from Sean Boyd. And so it really has been
the effort of community members and the family to find
accountability for these horrific circumstances.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And the thing it gets me the most, Lens, You've
got about a minute and a half left is that
Jeffco Public Schools and derivative from that Columbine High School.
It's been drips and drabs if that, and only when
pressed on details, only when forced into action. Otherwise they
are obstinate. They are serving to serve up, subterfuge and
block out anybody inquiring about these cases.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Is that in the best interest of the students? Yeah,
that is correct.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
We have definitely found a pattern by finding separation agreements
and police records through open records. That is not until
there are either criminal charges or involvement and law enforcement
that there is any sort of accountability or termination or
forcing a resignation. And our children are at risk even
(18:24):
with the misconduct. Some of this is very serious, as
I outlined the fourteen years of disciplinary action in a
sexual relationship with a student that could have been avoided.
Speaker 8 (18:36):
And so we're tired.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Of the reactive state of jeff Co Public schools. We
want proactivity and our children deserve it and we demand
it as the community and as their parents.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You can find out more their Facebook page, check it out,
join it jeff Co Kids First. She's the founder, Lindsay Datko. Lindsay,
thank you so much for your time and your efforts.
Great work. We'll talk to you again soon, Lincy Dako.
They are your reaction at five seven seven, three nine,
back with more after this.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
The bills shouldn't even be necessary. I mean protecting opportunities
for women and fair competition for women. This is something
we have fought for and has been a commonplace throughout America, certainly,
and who would have ever thought we would be going backwards?
Where are all the Democratic women who stood up for
(19:31):
this so long? You know, I am so proud of Republicans.
I was proud to support this bill. We will continue
to fight for this and fight for girls and women.
And look, hey, the Republicans are now the party of women.
We are the one that want to advance meaningful competition
and opportunities for women. The Democrats need to get back
on board. Certainly, the American people are, and all they
(19:52):
keep doing is demonstrating that they will work against the
wishes of the American people who are in fact supposed
to be running this country and setting the laws. The
American people, not the Democrats who think.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
They know better.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Senator Ashley Moody, she assumed the senatorial role that Marco
Rubio departed in the state of Florida, also Republican when
he became Secretary of State, making some valid points there.
In a strict party line vote fifty one forty five,
the Protecting Women's and Girls' Sports Act goes down because
it doesn't pass the cloture vote, which in the Senate
(20:27):
they needed to get to sixty forty for it to
advance for a full vote on the floor.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
It didn't make it to that point.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Mary, a single Democrat cross party lines to vote for this.
They at least got a couple of those in the House.
This is an eighty twenty issue where I believe it's
two thirds of Democrat voters support barring biological males from
girls and women's sports and spaces and joining us now.
(20:54):
She has been front line in this cause. You can
find out more about her product. She's the founder of
xxxy Athletics and you can go online xx hyphen xy
athletics dot com. Jennifer Say our guest on Ryan Schuling Live. Jennifer,
welcome back, Thanks for having me. Rin Well, I'm trying
to figure out what the strategy is even if it
(21:14):
was just a cold cynical political play by Democrats that
they won't even touch this issue, and they're kind of vacillating.
I quote tweeted you earlier today on this spectrum of
gas lighting, where the first step is it's not happening,
and you're crazy if you think it is. Step two
is it's happening, but you're making way too big a
deal about this. You women need to calm down, just
(21:36):
settle down over there. And then point three would be
it's happening. You know what, Actually it's a good thing
that it's happening that Leah Thomas is swimming in at
the college women's national Championships. And then the fourth one,
which is it's happening and if you stand up against it,
you're a bigot and you better just accept this. So
I think we're vacillating on this scale. But the Democrats
(21:56):
are still at that step two where it's like, well,
look it's happened, but it's only ten maybe athletes here
or there. It's a massive overreaction. Is politicizing the issue?
How do you respond to that, Jennifer.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Well, I would argue they're politicizing the issue. First of all,
this is an issue which, as you stated, eighty percent
of Americans agree on that includes a majority of Democrats,
and you know, these are the source of issues. My
understanding is that politicians look for that can bring people together,
bring Congress together. And yet the Democrats seem to be
saying they're going to die on the hill of letting
(22:32):
men steal women's opportunities. You ask what their strategy is.
I don't think they have one other than to not
admit that they've been wrong. And you know, you're correct.
It starts if it's not happening, and then it very
quickly goes to, well, it's happening and it's a good thing,
and isn't this so great in social justice and isn't
this a triumph for quote unquote women. But in fact,
(22:54):
it's stealing opportunity and rights, privacy, safety, and fairness from women.
And you know, in as much as this is a
strategy for them, it's a poor one, and I think
they're going to regret it.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
One of the reasons I like having Jennifer say On
is she's based right here in Colorado. And in fact,
when I go to your website, Jen, I see xxtash
Xyathletics dot com and the cover photo right now is
at Redrocks it's looking pretty awesome, and I want to
encourage people to go there and shop for athletic gear.
But it brings us to Colorado in the form of
our Senator John Hickenlooper, whose term is coming up in
(23:29):
twenty twenty six. He plans on running for re election.
I believe, and let's just go down memory lane. John
Hickenlooper commenting on women. It's gotten him into trouble before.
Colorado former Governor John Hickenlooper is standing by a comment
he made on national television.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Well, Hickenlooper, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination,
appeared in the CNN town hall last night. It was
this exchange that's raising some eyebrows.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Governor, some of your male competitors have vowed to put
a woman on the take.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Yes or no?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Would you do the same, Well again, of course, but
I think that we should be Well, I'll ask you
another question.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
How come we are asking the question?
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I know, I know, But how come we're not asking
we're not asking more often the women? Would you be
willing to put a man on the ticket?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Hecken Looper, later saying his point was that too often
media discounts the chance of a woman winning by asking
questions like she did.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Women are often the small business generators. They start and
start small, they start and grow small businesses in disproportional numbers,
and in a crisis like this, they are also the
ones who often get shut down, and the original Cares
Act didn't get enough resources.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
To those truly small businesses.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
We also have to make sure that women get paid fairly,
and we know in this country they're getting paid, you know,
in many cases seventy seventy five cents on the dollar
of what men get paid and long overdue. That the
Senate and Washington should take this on and make sure
that it's a level playing field for everyone.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Interesting he would use that phrase, a level playing field
for everyone except for women and girls in sports apparently,
and he had this remark in print media. To voting
against the bill yesterday, he said Senator Tubberville is trying
to churn the social wars about something that really doesn't exist.
John Hickenlooper said after he voted to block the bill.
(25:23):
Hickenloper is announced he will run for reelection, and despite
his vote, said he does not believe transgender women should
be able to compete in women's sports if the other
women object, but only if continuing quote. I saw the
ads he said of the election in twenty twenty four,
when Trump highlighted the issue.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I think that's the kind of ad that works once.
I don't think it'll work again. It's an infinitesimally small
group of people that are really trying to find their
ways now, Jennifer, one of the reasons I want to
play that sound for you is you are a woman
in business. You have created your own company. You did
work as an executive for Levi's, and he was talking
about that during the pandemic, about businesses being shut down
(26:02):
and women aren't getting equal pay for equal work, and
we need a level playing field for everyone.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Why doesn't that apply to women athletes?
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Well, it's not making any sense. I mean, gosh, you
said a lot there, or he said he said a
lot there. First of all for every male. And I
feel like every time I go online, I see another
male feeling a trophy from a young woman. Just this
past weekend in California, a male athlete won both the
(26:33):
long jump and the triple jump. He won the triple
jump by eight feet. That was, you know, the next
closest competitor who got second jumped eight feet less than
this mail. I mean, that's that's insane. It's a male
high school athlete who is now ranked number one in
California in women's long jump and triple jump. It happens
(26:53):
in Maine, it happens in California, it happens in Washington.
Every time I turn around, there's another email. And even
without all of these new examples, you know, the un
issue to report, the counsel and women issue to report,
that has happened over nine hundred times already, just in
the last few years. And I want to know what's
(27:13):
enough times that it matters to these people. How many
injuries are enough that it matters? Because I personally know
Peyton McNabb, the volleyball player who in twenty twenty two
suffered a traumatic brain injury from being hit in the
face of the volleyball. She will be at the President's
address tonight. She has partial paralysis on one side of
her face, and, like I said, a traumatic brain injury.
(27:36):
Her life is not the same. She cannot play sports anymore.
She couldn't play sports in college, which is what she
was hoping to do. So is that enough or not enough.
Do I need ten women who have a traumatic brain injury?
I mean what's required? So their argument makes no sense.
And for every male that wins, it isn't just one male.
(27:57):
It's every single woman that was in that competition that
had to face unfair competition. It's every woman in the
locker room that feels unsafe and threatened by having a
male in her private space. So what about the women
don't They can't. I don't understand why the women don't matter.
And you know, I was just chatting with some of
(28:18):
my colleagues before I got on the phone with you.
One of the funniest arguments that the pushback I get
is from women who are like, you're telling girls they
can't beat men. Yeah, I'm living in reality. I mean
men are fisteen to seventeen percent faster than women. There
(28:39):
is a reason why if you are trying to get
into the Boston Marathon, the qualifying time for women is
sixteen percent slower. They know this, they're playing games with language.
I am not talking down to women. Women are amazing athletes.
In many instances, they play the sports that men also
play very differently. I mean, take one at gymnastics, fort
(29:00):
for instance, it's not even the same events as men
right because the sport is crafted to their various strengths.
Women have grades and flexibility and also power the men's dements.
There is no dancing or flexibility required. It's sheer power.
There's a reason that women don't do the ring. They
don't have the shoulder strength to do it. So it
just makes no sense all around. And I just continue
(29:22):
to be amazed every single day that the party that
claims to be the party for women is willing to
die on this hill and letting men feel women's opportunities.
I think they will come to regret it. I think
it will take some time. And as I've been saying
for a very long time, the executive order is not
the end of this. We need legislation. We had a
step back last night with the vote in the Senate,
(29:43):
but truth will out in the end and we will win.
But everybody needs to, you know, get ready to fight.
You know, we need the eighty percent of Americans that
agree with us to stand up and say it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
She's one of the leaders in this fight.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
The founder and CEO of xx X Y Athletics follow
her on X. Jennifers say that's sey the argument I
always present. And I was an athlete as well, Jennifer,
although not as accomplished as you in gymnastics. But we
know having competed you and me on any level, if
you competed, you know there are differences. And here's my
example that always kind of flummoxes the left. If it's
(30:18):
a level playing field and we're interchangeable parts and the
Y chromosome doesn't mean anything that why are there no
trans men biological women born as women become men. Why
are there none in the NBA, the NHL, Major League Baseball,
the NFL, Tennis, any of those? Why are there no
trans men? Why does this only go one direction?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That's my question.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
It's a great question. And why if it's so important
to compete in the category that aligns with your gender identity,
why aren't the women who claim to be men competing
in men?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Right?
Speaker 8 (30:51):
They're all still so everybody's competing in women's. Women's is
a big party. The men who say that women competing women,
the women who say they're men competing women. And I'll
tell you this behind the scenes, the women who think
they're men and take testosterone are angry that they can't
compete in women's while taking TESTOSTERA. Finally, is the thing
(31:12):
it's happening.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You mentioned the President's addressed to the Nation tonight, and
it seems like he's going to come out no holds
barred and pull no punches, et cetera. This was a
big issue, and it was so much so that it
was one of the first executive orders that he signed,
and it was with a big ceremony. You were in
attendance for that. What would you like President Trump to
say about this bill that failed to get out of
(31:34):
cloture in the Senate tonight.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
I would like to one thank him for signing the
executive order and putting it at the center of the
cultural conversation. And I would like to ask him to
tell the NCAA they need to rewrite their policy to
uphold his executive order and hold the States accountable for
adhering to the executive order.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You could find her athletic gear at xx hyphen x
y athletics dot com and again red Rocks featured right
on that splash picture at the very beginning, and you
can follow her on x at Jennifer say s e y, Jennifer,
You're such a great fighter for this cause. Don't give
it up. We're right there with you. We'll continue this
fight until we get it done. Thank you so much
for your time today.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Thanks for having me Jennifer.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Say five seven seven three nine to offer your reaction,
and we'll close things out on Ryan Schuling Live this
Tuesday edition.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
After these words, oh.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
Observe it and yell and porous isense be something you wish?
Speaker 7 (32:57):
When the White House Press Team decides to step in
and override the White House Correspondence Association, who they have
the job of doing that, then what we're looking at
is State TV. Yep.
Speaker 10 (33:08):
What we're looking at is what Russia is doing. What
we're looking at is what North Korea is doing, and
we are doing that. They are attacking the fiber of
the freedom of the press. They're destroying it because they
want to be covered in a friendly way.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
A few moments later, that's why they lost.
Speaker 11 (33:27):
He didn't win the democrass five people what those issues were. Sure,
let's rewind people what those issues can do.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
They are.
Speaker 11 (33:35):
Making sure that families had what they need, making sure
stuff is there, making sure that the America that we
all grew up in, where you could come and be
whoever you is supposed.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
To be or want to be. You still have that right.
Speaker 11 (33:49):
All these things are the things that the Democrats have
always said. But now we have a guy who's then
who says, yeah, you know, I'm going to bring down
a price of eggs, but first I'm gonna all these
jobs and I'm not going to see why they need
to be cut I'm just gonna cut up because I'm
gonna put people in Well, that's what he's doing. He's
doing all alienat a friends around the world here.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
But you're talking about what he's doing.
Speaker 11 (34:12):
But before you brought that up, you brought up the
message that the Democratic Party was disseminating.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I'm challenging you on that. That is not what they
were doing.
Speaker 11 (34:19):
I'm we did it.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I was here, we did it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
What cue the James Franco meme from AX like what
we just heard Crane John Pierre, same show, The View
say that, uh, the Trump administration only wants media that's
friendly to them, Wills, the View is only friendly to
carrying out the Democrat talking points that Whoopy Goldberg just
(34:46):
elucidated for stephen A.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Smith. To stephen A's.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Credit, this is a guy who I don't think realizes
that he's really a Republican.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
There are a lot of people like this that have
come along in time that have been redpilled Elon Musk Rogan,
Michael Schellenberger. Perhaps to a degree, there's several. I think
Smith is almost there, but he's just got to like
it's got a click from it, you know what. I
might not like Trump, but everything he espouses, for the
most part, comes from a fundamentally conservative position. I don't
(35:16):
know if I'll ever get there all the way. But
he's friendly with Sean Hannity, he's friendly with Mark Levin.
Well see, I have hope for steven A.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Smith. And he also put Joy Behar in her place
about the election. That might be sound.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We have coming up on Dan Kaplis in just a
little bit. This from a text for five, seven, seven,
three nine. Twenty years ago, I brought a failure to
report case against a counselor mandatory reporter. The biggest problem
then was the teacher union in their political power, they
squashed the case. That has been my concern and what
I brought up with Lindsay Dako Chef COO Kids first
(35:48):
was the unions are so powerful it's very difficult to
fire teachers, even bad teachers, even teachers who should be fired,
even teachers who violate policy and cross that line grooming students.
That should be an automatic. And I'm the type of
guy if I was a teacher that would infuriate you.
I had a lot of bad teachers in my midst
(36:10):
working at my school.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Maybe I'm just different.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
We'll take this time out, come back Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Next, I'll talk to you tomorrow. Here I'm Ryan Schuling
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