George Brauchler, district attorney for the 23rd judicial district joins Ryan with a discouraging update on the 18th judicial district - which both he and John Kellner previously represented as prosecutors, before the new 23rd was carved out of it - under the leadership of Democrat Amy Padden.
Recent cases include soft sentencing for criminal illegal aliens, including a case where a 15-year-old alien, driving illegally, slammed into the vehicle of 24-year-old Kaitlyn Weaver - traveling 90 miles per hour in a 45 mph zone - a collision which would later kill the young woman. The young man was given probation and community service rather than facing any time behind bars.
Lindsay Datko, JeffCo Kids First joins Ryan with details on the latest examples of an epidemic of predatory school faculty and personnel in Colorado. Why does this keep happening? What is wrong with the vetting process for new hires?
Recent cases include soft sentencing for criminal illegal aliens, including a case where a 15-year-old alien, driving illegally, slammed into the vehicle of 24-year-old Kaitlyn Weaver - traveling 90 miles per hour in a 45 mph zone - a collision which would later kill the young woman. The young man was given probation and community service rather than facing any time behind bars.
Lindsay Datko, JeffCo Kids First joins Ryan with details on the latest examples of an epidemic of predatory school faculty and personnel in Colorado. Why does this keep happening? What is wrong with the vetting process for new hires?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A driver going twice the speed woman in a residential
area kills a young woman in a role. That driver
is unlicensed, uninsured, and undocumented.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
On top of that, the victim's parents say he is
also unaccountable. The Arapaho County District Attorney's office offered him
probation community service as punishment for taking a life.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Tonight, in a story you'll see only on CBS Colorado,
your reporter Sean Voyd talks to that young woman's parents,
who say their plea deal devalues their daughter's life.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
She really spent her life wanting to help people.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
John Weaver says his daughter Caitlin was a born caregiver,
protective and supportive of siblings and strangers alike. A psychology major,
she worked for a suicide hotline before taking a job
at a drug rehab center in Aurora. It was there
her dad says, she found her calling in life.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
She was really trying to make a difference in their
lives every day.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
It was after one of those days last July, as
she drove home her boyfriend on speaker a nearby ring
camera recording, Caitlyn Weaver was killed by a jeep barreling
through a residential neighborhood. The speed limit forty five. The driver,
investigators say was doing more than ninety.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
She didn't even.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
See him coming, that's how fast.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
He was going.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
She was effectively killed instantly.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Michelle and John Weaver removed their daughter from life support
two days later.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
How do you fathom that loss?
Speaker 6 (01:32):
She was twenty four.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The suspect, who had kids in the car with him,
was fifteen. He was not only driving illegally, he was
in the country illegally.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
DIA's office said that this would be a no plea
deal case, so they were not going to offer anything
any concession.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
That changed, he says, when the Arapo County District Attorney's
office changed hands a few months later. Under Daamy Padden,
the teen who faced up to two years in youth
corrections for vehicular homicide was offered two years probation if
he pled guilty.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Why the change.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
If he had taken a firearm and recklessly just shot
it and killed somebody, this would be a different case.
They would be pushing it completely different. So there's no deterrence.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
No financial liability either.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Despite nearly a million in medical bills, the jeep was
uninsured and the juvenile's mom says he took it without permission,
so she isn't responsible either.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
Immigration and the criminal justicism, and all these things landed
together one day in Aurora, and now I sit here
today without a daughter.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
An Oregon donor, Caitlin Weaver, continues to live on in
others while the person who killed her lives free. Investigators
say his mom initially planned to move him back to Columbia.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
He has now filed for asylum.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I hope that.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
He makes something of himself and that he remembers the
chance he got.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I hope he doesn't forget her.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
A Rapo County Assistant District Attorney Ryan Brackley says an
experienced prosecutor handled the plea deal without any direct involvement
by the new administration, and a judge he notes, upheld
the deal after hearing from the family. He says before
any plea deal, they consider the impact on the victims
and the community, the characteristics of the defendants such as age, culpability,
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and level of remorse, and the goals of sentencing, including deterrence,
rehabilitating the offender, treating similarly situated offenders equitably, and holding
each offender accountable. He says, in this case, the negotiated
sentence acknowledges the seriousness of this preventable tragedy.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
In addition to one hundred.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Hours community service, the team is required to attend school
and not break any lass. If he does, he goes
back to court under the plea, his probation is not
automatically revoked because.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
He's a juvenile. The case is sealed.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
The Weavers say the defendant never apologize. They say the
criminal justice system failed them and their daughter. Sean Boyd covering.
Speaker 8 (04:14):
Colorado First on CBS Colorado Channel four. Back here on
Ryan Schuling Live the story you just heard, We're going
to add some clarity and color with the former district
attorney in that eighteenth judicial district, which now encompasses a
Rappahoe County. George Brockler, our guest on the line. George,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 9 (04:33):
Hey, thanks for having me. Sorry about my voice.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Man.
Speaker 8 (04:36):
Now, you and me both going through a bit of
cold symptoms here. But I think it needs to be
stated what's reference in that story. There was a set
of charges that appears that were set to be filed
by then District Attorney John Kellner, your successor in the
eighteenth that changed hands to Amy Padden, a Democrat.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
The eighteenth became unwinnable.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
In my view for Republicans because the cleaved off your
new district, the twenty third, which was larger Republican and read,
leaving the eighteenth of Rappahole County to be blue. And
this was the result. Georgia, everything you heard right there,
everything that you know about this case, what is your
initial response.
Speaker 9 (05:15):
Yeah, well, first, John would have already filed the charges
on this. This was a plea bargain that was given.
And I think you've hit upon the thing that struck
me the most about Sean's reporting. And she did a
great job on this, and because it's sealed, I don't
even know how she gets this information. I presume it's
from the victims. But you know the fact that a
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plea bargain or a pursuit of charges changes so drastically
from one administration to the next, and the only difference
is an R in one and a D in the other.
That's problematic for me as a prosecutor. And I want
to be very cautious about this because many of the
prosecutors in the eighteenthir I promoted and I look up
(06:02):
to those people as big fighters for justice. But at
the end of the day, the office is only as
good as and in the direction of the elected official.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
I think we lost George there for a moment. Let's
put him on hold just to see if Kelly can
reconnect or if Zach can work on that too. Luckily
we left him at a good punctuation point on the sentence.
But the point I was going to make and what
I'm going to ask George if he's back connected with us,
Zach we good on that end, which would be good.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
George.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
I don't mean to get too personal here, but this
is an exercise. I'd like you to walk with me
a little bit. How old are your kids.
Speaker 9 (06:46):
I've got four that I know of. I've got twenty two,
twenty seventeen, and fifteen.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
Okay, perfect, Let's say this was your fifteen year old
saying exact circumstances, legal citizen of the United States, legal standing,
it's a sweetheart deal offered in that case, because I'm
thinking it's not.
Speaker 9 (07:10):
I think it's unlikely. I think it's I think it
could happen though, in this jurisdiction that we're talking about.
And I say that because you know, the juvenile system
exists for the purposes the primary purposes of rehabilitation. That's
not to say that punishment can't be part of it,
and deterrence is a part of it, but for primary
the purpose of rehabilitation. But I have to tell you, man,
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in cases where juveniles engage in conduct that ends a life,
they should have a consequence that changes theirs. And I
think for some it's the idea that, well, my god,
any incarceration for a juvenile is too much and it
might send them down the wrong path. And I disagree,
in my opinion, not with the specific, specific reference to
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this case. From a juvenile fifteen years old engages in
behavior that kills enough their human being, there has to
be incarceration. There must be incarceration, if only for the
message to the victims and the rest of the community
that we won't tolerate this. All of those other factors
that we're in this story make you go, what in
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the world are we doing as a society. But these
things also, when you get sentences like this and outcomes
like this, it's the kind of thing that makes people
doubt the efficacy of the justice system. And I'm telling
you as a father of a child who if they
ended up dead and I'd lost faith in the system,
I start thinking in terms of vigilanti justice, and that
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is always wrong. But you can see society starting to
shift to a place where it stops trusting us to
bring them justice.
Speaker 8 (08:45):
George Brockler playing hurt with the voice affected by cold symptoms.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I'm also going through a lot of that.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
I know a lot of people probably are as well.
He is the district attorney in the twenty third, formerly
in the eighteenth. As he mentioned, he knows a lot
of these prosecutors there, but and down objectively here George
on motive of the prosecution, and let me let me
explain why, because as was outlined in that story, this
is a fifteen year old should have been driving at all,
or I believe, if driving, should have had an adult
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present with a permit, not a license, not license to
drive illegal in that regard. Took the car without permission
from his parent, okay, in the country, illegally from Colombia,
not legally in this country.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Here is my suspicion, and just tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
The prosecutor, Amy Patten did not want to go to
the level of incarceration for this juvenile, because if it
had gone down that road, he might be a candidate
for deportation.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Along with his family. What do you think about that part?
Speaker 9 (09:41):
Yeah, I do. I agree. In fact, I've heard some
other reporting after this that the family had contemplated before
this deal, that they had contemplated voluntarily leaving the country,
and instead, now that they've gotten this outcome, they're going
to file for amnesty so that they can stay forever here.
So I do think that must have been a motivating factor.
(10:02):
There's just so much about this man. It's just different
than how you perceive the system working. There was something
that was said in the story too that really bothered me.
It was put out by the DA's office and they said,
our job, in part is to treat similarly situated people equitably.
That is not true. That is fake. The actual language
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is treat similarly situated people similarly. That equity word, that
progressive catch all word for hey, we got to figure
out a way to eve it out. Everything based on
our own subjective sense of values. That is fake and
made up. That is not the pursuit of justice. So
similarly situated similarly means if there's other fifteen year olds
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out there in the state of Colorado who are driving
around and stolen cars at twice the speed limit, crushing
and killing innocent people. What's happening with them? And I
think you'd be hard pressed to find another case out
there where they're getting to walk out of the court
room and go home to file for anthesty.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
Ninety in a forty five George Brockler, our guests, he
is the da in the twenty third in this case.
You know, you look at the death of this young woman.
She had dreams, she had aspirations. They're snuffed out in
the blink of an eye. And then the audacity George
the gall Now this family is going to file for asylum?
(11:23):
Are you kidding me? They're going to get here. I
killed this young woman recklessly and wantonly in this accident,
not even an accident, This was a completely disregarding the
life of the woman driving that speed in that zone.
They're going to be candidates for asylum.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
Hey, yeah, this is another issue. This is a fabricatory
issue to find out how much this changes things. But
you know, like I said that, the part that concerns
me the most is that it seems like just changing
hands between two prosecutors based on political party has so
shifted the folks in terms of what's defined as justice. Now, listen,
(12:04):
I can't tell you that every fifteen year old that
kill someone behind the wheel the way this one did
would end up in dys which is where they'd go.
The maximum sense they could receive a two years the
Department of Youth Services, Division of Youth Services. But I'll
say this if it's me, and I don't know all
these facts, and maybe there was something here that was
so drastically different between Kellner and Paden, and I can't
(12:27):
imagine what that is that it changed their mind. But
I would much rather go to the court, fight for justice,
fight for the right outcome, and have the court come
in and say I disagree, I'm giving this kid probation. Well,
then it's on the judge. But in this case, the
suggestion that hey, you know, the judge approved this sentence,
therefore it's the right one, that's not true. The judges
(12:49):
approved ninety nine point nine ninety nine percent of plea
bargains ands in these circumstances, so that's kind of a
fake standard too. I just think at the end of
the day, or in a place here where we're starting
to see what happens when you trade out Republicans for
Democrats and experienced prosecutors for inexperienced prosecutor.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
George got to get your reaction to this, because your
county was invoked in this story Douglas County by the
Mayor of Denver, Mike Johnston, the issue vehicle tracking cameras.
This report from Mark Salinger of nine News Kyle Clark,
with the lead in.
Speaker 10 (13:25):
Denver's mayor wants the city to keep using its car.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Tracking cameras, despite.
Speaker 10 (13:30):
The fact that he recently urged the council not to
extend a contract for the cameras their concerns that data
could be used by Ice to deport people. Mayor Mike
Johnson tells our Mark Sallenger he thinks there's a way
to do this without Denver assisting in the roundup of immigrants.
Speaker 11 (13:48):
Denver system of car tracking cameras is in the middle
of a debate between public safety and privacy.
Speaker 12 (13:54):
I have every intention of wanting to keep every one
of those cameras up and keep them operating, because we
know that dramatically reduced.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Crime in sit twelve nays.
Speaker 11 (14:02):
Just last week, Denver Mayor Mike Johnston told city council
members to vote down a proposed contract it's tending the
use that the flock cameras. He says too many council
members had concerns that data would be shared with federal
immigration agencies. Now, he says he's confident that data is safe.
Speaker 12 (14:18):
Could a federal law enforcement agency use this database to
track someone down on a nice hold and arrest them. No,
because the system is not designed to do that.
Speaker 11 (14:27):
The cameras read license plates and track cars. They're used
by more than seventy law enforcement agencies in Colorado. Denver
says it'll lock its data down. Even other police agencies
in the state will have to file a request with
Denver Police to get access on a case by case basis.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
If Douglas County.
Speaker 12 (14:45):
Does have a request to access data or to understand
someone they're looking for, they would send us a request
to say, we're looking for this license plate.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Suspected in this crime. Have you seen it?
Speaker 12 (14:55):
And then we would be able to share or inform
that data.
Speaker 11 (14:58):
The same goes with federal agents. Denver is open to
sharing data with ICE, for example, as long as ICE
can prove they're pursuing someone who has committed a state crime.
Speaker 12 (15:08):
If you have someone who has just wanted on you
cross the border without documentation, that's not a crime in Colorado,
that's not a state crime.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
That's not something that we would honor.
Speaker 11 (15:16):
The cameras have helped solve everything from stolen cars to
jewelry heists to a shooting earlier this month in Lodo.
Johnston says it's too crucial of a tool not to use.
Speaker 12 (15:26):
We have every intention of making sure these cameras stay up,
the public safety is in place, and we contrack down
violent criminals.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
George Brockler your reaction, especially to that Douglas County example.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
Of course they're going to use Douglas because we're one
of the places, the last place is in the metro
area that prioritizes law enforcement regardless of whether the defendants
are citizens or non citizens. You know, I listen two
statements like this, and I've said to a many times, man,
I'm a big Mike Johnson fan. I like him as
a person. I think his wife's a great prosecutor. Edver,
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I just think he is trapped in a city and
a political ideology that makes them say things that you
come away feeling like they prioritize everybody else except law
abiding citizens, Like if you're almost my god, you're at
the top of their list. You're an a legal immigrant. Hey,
you're at the top of their list. You get all
their attention of fact, they're going to fight federal law
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enforcers to keep them from being able to enforce the
law against you. I heard something in there that I
thought was a little interesting. Hey, we'll cooperate with ICE
if they're pursuing someone who is who's committed a state
violation of law. What like, what if they're pursuing someone
that's committed a federal violation of the law. Is that
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not good enough? Like some of the language that they
use doesn't make sense. These flock cameras have reduced crime
in so many different places and in so many different ways.
To then create an extra step and say, hey, for
us to share this information, you have to prove to
us is actually get illegal immigrants out of the community
is a little silly to me. And then I'd say
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this too. We're starting to process of putting together data
to heat map the home of record in the zip
codes where most of the criminals that commit crimes down
here from I'll tell you what, man, I'm pretty convinced
we're going to find a big chunk. If not, the
majority come from Denver and Aurora. And if that's true,
I feel like Douglas County ought to send them a
(17:26):
bill and Allah Boulder filing a lawsuit against these energy
companies for climate change. I feel like we ought to
be filing a lawsuit or consider one for crime change.
I mean, this is crime pollution that they're allowing to
occur with these ridiculous policies.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
We're lucky to have them on the twenty third, and
George's going to let your rest that voice. Thank you
so much for your time today. Always appreciate your insights.
Speaker 9 (17:50):
Next time I'll be more.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
Erry White, George Brockler just a attorney in the twenty
third and you got to believe PK that he's so
frustrated this this his former district we were talking about
with regard to that vehicular homicide and Amy Padden, Democrat
comes in and just lays waste to whatever his success,
Sir John Kellner was trying to pursue it as a prosecution.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Well, this.
Speaker 13 (18:16):
Just goes to show you that it doesn't matter who's
in Democrat or Republican in these positions of power. And
it also shows how the court system is nothing but
a tool in the political fight instead of in the
law and order.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
Fight, right, And that was not how it was supposed
to be. Ever, what we grew up with and what
we constitutionally. There you go, it has become very political.
And that's why I wanted to address and nip in
the bud that subject as to why Amy Padden would
go so soft on an illegal alien compared to let's say,
a fifteen year old who was born in the United
States and an American citizen.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
P K.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Steinberg Stevenson.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
She is the host of the Humanity Against Tyranny podcast
that's coming up later this evening. She'll join me for
the full hour and coming up next Lin's jeffco Kids First.
There's more to talk about there here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 14 (19:10):
A teacher in Douglas County in jail charged with sexual
assault of a child.
Speaker 15 (19:14):
So now investigators reaching out to the public to see
if there are any other victims who are willing to
come forward.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Fox Uns generally joins.
Speaker 15 (19:21):
US Life from Douglas County with the details what we
know so far about the situation.
Speaker 14 (19:26):
Jim Andrew, Good morning. Yeah, this is obviously very alarming
for our parents down here with students in the schools,
and the investigators said that they're concerned that there may
be more victims out there because of this man. This
teacher worked at several schools here throughout the county and
throughout the district. Here's the very latest that we have
on the investigation from Douglas County Sheriff's Office this morning,
and this is the teacher under arrest this morning. He's
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forty nine year old David Field, feel Us from Littleton.
He's been arrested on two counts of sexual assault on
a child by someone in a position of trust. This
investigation was conducted by the Special Victims Unit of the
Sheriff's Department here in Dugco. Field was hired by Douglas
County Schools in twenty fourteen. He most recently was a
teacher over at Roxboro Intermedia School and he's currently being
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held here at the Detention center here in Douglas Couty's
being held on a no bond hold. And we understand
from investigators that he also worked as a substitute teacher
or a sub at various locations, various schools throughout the
district over the past couple of years. So that's where
the concern is that in fact he had of contact
the possibility of having contact with many students during that time.
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So investigators are asking that if you know that your
child had a field in any way, shape or form,
had any contact with them physically or perhaps on social
media as well, talk to your child, who's very sensited,
very difficult, we know, but obviously try to have a
talk with him see if there's any information. If you
have any information whatsoever that could help with the investigation,
(20:50):
please contact the Douglas kind Of Sheriff's office in Castle
Rocket the Sheriff's office this morning. I'm Jim Pullet Fox
to the mom.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Now, obviously I couldn't ask George Brockler about that case
specifically directly, not yet, but I have complete faith that
this will be prosecuted swiftly and dealt with severely by
George Brockler and his district attorney's office. In the twenty
third where this teacher, David feel forty nine resides.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That's Doug Coe, that's one thing I've told.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
You before, this is an epidemic state wide and in
particular ground zero for this.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
A lot of it is happening in Jeffco.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
And there's another example of this also from Fox thirty one,
going from Jim Hooley to Lisa Desuza. The Jefferson County
School district is grappling with allegations against a former school
psychologist after he's arrested for sexual assault of a child.
Speaker 15 (21:37):
Yeah, just awful to hear about something like this. We
also learned about a similar arrestover in Douglas County this week.
Foxy wants Lisa Desusa joins us this morning as one
group is now working to promote student safety because not
a trend that we want to see a multiple school districts.
Speaker 16 (21:54):
Right obviously, very concerning and you can imagine how unnerving
this is for parents in this school district as well.
So we know right now Lakewood Police are investigating this
case specifically out of Greenwood High School, and the big
concern at this point is that there could potentially be
more victims out there.
Speaker 17 (22:11):
So today, really throughout the week, there are is going
to be a Jefferson County Crisis.
Speaker 16 (22:15):
Response team here at the high school and then at
other schools as well here within the school district of
Jefferson County. On Monday, the psychologist was fired from his
job here and arrested the next day.
Speaker 17 (22:27):
Here's his photo. Thirty eight year old James Shaverer.
Speaker 16 (22:30):
He worked here at Green Mountain High since twenty twenty three.
He also would visit Bear Creek High once a week
during the twenty twenty four school year.
Speaker 17 (22:37):
He worked at Evergreen High School from twenty twenty two
to twenty twenty three, and in the Cherry Creek School
district as well in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 16 (22:45):
Now, officials they credit is Safe to Tell report made
last Friday for tipping them off about this. He now
faces a slew of disturbing charges that includes sexual assault
on a child by one in a position of trust.
Parents with the family group Jeffco Kids First Wing on
how important big conversations are really in the wake of
his arrest.
Speaker 18 (23:05):
Talk to their children about what it means to trust
that trust is.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Earned, it's not random within a school of building.
Speaker 18 (23:14):
And to discuss what those boundaries are, and to always
be open with their parents about the teacher relationships that
they're having that they need to be largely focused on
an academic relationship, and.
Speaker 16 (23:31):
The Jefferson County School District echoing that sentiment as well,
noting that it is working closely with Lakewood Police, the
police department, and the school district. They'll be putting on
three separate meetings for families next week at all three
of the Jefferson County.
Speaker 17 (23:44):
Schools you worked at. You can see the details.
Speaker 16 (23:46):
Here on your screen, all taking place at four pm Monday, Tuesday,
and Wednesday. Now, district officials say they're providing all resources
possible to anyone who may have been impacted by this,
and again, really the big concern right now is that
there could be more victims out there. So again, if
you know anything about this, please contact Liquid Police right away.
Speaker 17 (24:04):
Of course, we'll be on top of any developments here
for you. Liva Green Mountain High School, we said to
SUSA Fox thirty one.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Now, the big concern is that this is far from
an isolated incident in the jeff Cooe public schools. And
the female voice that you heard that they went to
for Jeffco kids first joins us now on Ryan Schuling
Live Lindsey Datco Lindsay, welcome, back.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
To the show.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Hey, thanks Ryan.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Now we get this latest case and it's one of
several at this point as you're keeping account and I
know that you are when it comes to jeff Co
Public Schools, faculty, staff and administrators, how many cases like
this are you aware of where there is the abuse
of a child, sexual or otherwise.
Speaker 19 (24:46):
We are counting at thirty possibly more that we have
documented through open records.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
How does this happen at Jeffco Public Schools?
Speaker 19 (24:57):
It's unbelievable, but we are deeply con aren't about was
what has become really a pattern of sexual misconduct within
Jacko Schools signaling this broader crisis and it really cannot
be dismissed as an isolated incident.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
Now further that point, lindsay, would I be really targeting here?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
And I know I'm not. I'm going to tell you
how to do your job.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
You lead this organization, done a wonderful job of doing that, Jeff,
Go kids first, But what exactly we need some transparency here?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
What is the vetting process for hiring?
Speaker 8 (25:28):
It seems like they can hire anybody off the street
and maybe downtown Denver somebody homeless with addiction problems that
wouldn't have any kind of qualification to work in a
school district, be in a position of trust, to be
to have children under their care and leadership. Because we've seen,
like you said, thirty plus cases like this involving jeffco
Public schools faculty, staff or administrators.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
This is an epidemic.
Speaker 19 (25:53):
It sure is, and that is the million dollar question.
And that's why I have connected with someone named Faith
out of Illinois. She inspired Faith's law. She was a
victim of sexual abuse by a teacher in high school.
And it is a long standing problem in school districts.
I've learned where teachers are not vetted properly, especially when
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moving from district to district or state to state, that
there are no requirements to disclose prior investigations or allegations.
And so in Illinois they have had their data shows
incredible success with this law that requires employees to give
consent to and also to imply whether they have been
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part of an investigation and to consent to the school
district looking into that. And that's what we need in
jeff Coo. We have seen them updated policy recently which
we are considering a success. Through our experts are trying
to implement something similar in their policy, but it's a
state law would really be helpful because of them moving
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around district to district.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Lindsay, this is just a complete and utter failure of
epic proportions by Jeffical Public schools. They got nowhere to run,
and they got nowhere to hide. They have no excuse
for any of this.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
They can't.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
But when you confront them with these facts, I mean,
these are in news reports from our local television stations.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Here.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
This isn't like just one person said this and the
other person disagrees with it. These are documented stories and facts.
They're happening in perpetuity. They're happening exponentially in Jeffical Public schools.
What do they have to say for themselves in light
of all these cases, Well, last month.
Speaker 19 (27:40):
The board meeting, we filled multiple rooms at the Board
of ED Center. I spoke TV news stations covered almost
every single one where I outline these cases and walking out,
the media said to me, hey, they're challenging you to
your evidence. And our response was they've provided us to evidence.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Through open records.
Speaker 19 (28:07):
So immediately the next day we responded, won't meet any time,
we want to sit down. We want to discuss these patterns,
and the only thing we got back was them using
their communications email to list off what their policies are.
And so first they challenge us, and then they won't
meet with us, and they they're labeling us our efforts
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even as noise at times, and that is very disturbing
to us.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Well, the battle continues for website jeffcokidsfirst dot com. I
highly recommend you check it out, especially if you are
a parent in the Jeffco Public School district. And Lindsey,
I got to say, I admire you for standing in
there in the breach and fighting on behalf of all
those parents, not only in jeff Co, but it turns
out statewide.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Keep it up.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
We appreciate your time and we'll talk to you again.
Hopefully there are no further updates, but it seems like
there is something almost every.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Single day.
Speaker 19 (29:00):
Definitely does.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
Thank you always for having us on, Lindsay Dadco right there,
five seven seven three nine. We'll take this time out
your reaction at five seven seven three nine MPK sty
Mark Stevenson has thoughts. She's the host of the Humanity
Against Tyranny podcast, which records tonight. Subscribe download and listen
to that on your favorite podcast platform.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
This is Ryan Schuling live, but a lot.
Speaker 8 (29:25):
Of texts on a lot of these stories that are
hitting us locally. Here this from Mills, the Norwegian up
in the hinterland that he goes what the blank sounds
like jeff Coo schools is a paradise for pedophiles.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Got a text along those lines as well, said Ryan.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
I guess those of us in Jeffcoe should change the
name of the county to pedophile County. Here's another one.
I am an HVAC tech. I have background checks done frequently.
Don't the teachers have that done? Tell you what Texter,
If they do in Jeffco's schools, it ain't working because everybody,
anybody is getting in slipping through the cracks. An incident
after incident is being reported in the local news. Discovered
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through freedom of information by jeff co Kids First. Imagine
what this landscape would look like if Lindsey Datko had
not started that organization. You find them online jeffco Kids
First dot com. PK your reaction to anything you just
heard over this last hour.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
It's been a lot listening.
Speaker 13 (30:20):
And I've been listening and I'm just sitting here, Ryan going,
why the rise in this child abuse?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Why?
Speaker 13 (30:28):
And it goes right back to the rise in child porn.
Take a look at everything Hollywood, the political system. It's
this push to lower the age of sex with children,
like in California, even a Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg,
she wanted it to be legal to have sex with
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kids as young as ten years old. This kind of
attitude when we grew up, Ryan.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
You didn't touch a kid, okay, and if you did.
Speaker 13 (30:58):
You were really you know, it was their word to
terrans and it was really it was like this vigil
ante thing that you know was brought up earlier. It's like,
you didn't touch a child and parents took care of this.
And now with this it takes a village and them
telling you what's appropriate with children or not. And the
child porn is just free speech that there's nothing wrong
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with it. Come on, take take a deep, long look
at what's going on in the last few decades that
this rise that everybody feels they have the right to
touch a child.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
She's the host of the Humanity Against Tyranny podcasts, which
we record right here weekly, usually on Wednesdays, but had
the NFL schedule release special coverage last night, so we'll
be recording tonight. Subscribe, download and listen. You can hear
me chirp in from time to time as well. That's
on your favorite podcast platform, Humanity Against Tyranny. Now, going
back to our conversation with George Brockler and Amy Padden,
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the prosecutor, that this is good, Texter, My last girlfriend
was friends with Amy Padden and I had to go
to a bunch of social events at Amy's fundraising events.
She's insufferable, Texter. Are you referring to your girlfriend or
any Patton or both? PK your thoughts on that story.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Well, my thoughts on.
Speaker 13 (32:12):
This story is, I want to know were the parents illegal?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
What were the parents to?
Speaker 6 (32:16):
The whole family's illegal?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Now they want to.
Speaker 13 (32:18):
Silum, I know the audacity. Yeah, it's like, but they
feel it's okay. The minute you say that a person
who's illegal has done something wrong, they start pushing the
immigration stuff. And anytime it's this, they'll pull the racist card.
They'll pull anything to just even if somebody is illegal,
no legal laws apply to them.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
Well, if they're here illegally, they're here illegally for a reason.
They're not here legally for a reason. So that's what
I would want to know. How did you get into
the country. Why did you come to this country? Why
didn't you do it legally? You don't have any standing.
In my mind, we boot you to the curb. You
try again, maybe, but especially in this case, gt to
the FO he was going ninety and a forty five,
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got license to drive here illegally, kills a young woman,
and you want asylum.
Speaker 13 (33:07):
Yes, And the mother says, well, I don't have anything
to do with thought.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
I didn't give him permission. Yes you did.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
However, you raised him. You gave him permission.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
Permission is what Mike Johnston, mayor of Denver, is giving
illegals to come on in sanctuary city, sanctuary state. We're
gonna use the license plate, cameras and such, but we're
not going to cooperate with ice. Why is he fighting
so hard to protect criminal illegal aliens.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
I don't get it.
Speaker 13 (33:31):
And you know, he didn't get anything that would make
him have to have a consequence to what he did.
And in this the whole thing they talked about the
level of remorse. Well, according to the Weavers, he never
even apologized to them, yet they gave him a sentence
that had to do with probation.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Probation Padden is a disgrace and had this been a
US citizen fifteen year old, I do not believe would
be handled the same way because Amy wanted to protect
this juveni from deportation. Period end of sentence, find schooling
life back with you tomorrow
A driver going twice the speed woman in a residential
area kills a young woman in a role. That driver
is unlicensed, uninsured, and undocumented.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
On top of that, the victim's parents say he is
also unaccountable. The Arapaho County District Attorney's office offered him
probation community service as punishment for taking a life.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Tonight, in a story you'll see only on CBS Colorado,
your reporter Sean Voyd talks to that young woman's parents,
who say their plea deal devalues their daughter's life.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
She really spent her life wanting to help people.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
John Weaver says his daughter Caitlin was a born caregiver,
protective and supportive of siblings and strangers alike. A psychology major,
she worked for a suicide hotline before taking a job
at a drug rehab center in Aurora. It was there
her dad says, she found her calling in life.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
She was really trying to make a difference in their
lives every day.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
It was after one of those days last July, as
she drove home her boyfriend on speaker a nearby ring
camera recording, Caitlyn Weaver was killed by a jeep barreling
through a residential neighborhood. The speed limit forty five. The driver,
investigators say was doing more than ninety.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
She didn't even.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
See him coming, that's how fast.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
He was going.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
She was effectively killed instantly.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Michelle and John Weaver removed their daughter from life support
two days later.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
How do you fathom that loss?
Speaker 6 (01:32):
She was twenty four.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The suspect, who had kids in the car with him,
was fifteen. He was not only driving illegally, he was
in the country illegally.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
DIA's office said that this would be a no plea
deal case, so they were not going to offer anything
any concession.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
That changed, he says, when the Arapo County District Attorney's
office changed hands a few months later. Under Daamy Padden,
the teen who faced up to two years in youth
corrections for vehicular homicide was offered two years probation if
he pled guilty.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Why the change.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
If he had taken a firearm and recklessly just shot
it and killed somebody, this would be a different case.
They would be pushing it completely different. So there's no deterrence.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
No financial liability either.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Despite nearly a million in medical bills, the jeep was
uninsured and the juvenile's mom says he took it without permission,
so she isn't responsible either.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
Immigration and the criminal justicism, and all these things landed
together one day in Aurora, and now I sit here
today without a daughter.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
An Oregon donor, Caitlin Weaver, continues to live on in
others while the person who killed her lives free. Investigators
say his mom initially planned to move him back to Columbia.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
He has now filed for asylum.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I hope that.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
He makes something of himself and that he remembers the
chance he got.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I hope he doesn't forget her.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
A Rapo County Assistant District Attorney Ryan Brackley says an
experienced prosecutor handled the plea deal without any direct involvement
by the new administration, and a judge he notes, upheld
the deal after hearing from the family. He says before
any plea deal, they consider the impact on the victims
and the community, the characteristics of the defendants such as age, culpability,
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and level of remorse, and the goals of sentencing, including deterrence,
rehabilitating the offender, treating similarly situated offenders equitably, and holding
each offender accountable. He says, in this case, the negotiated
sentence acknowledges the seriousness of this preventable tragedy.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
In addition to one hundred.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Hours community service, the team is required to attend school
and not break any lass. If he does, he goes
back to court under the plea, his probation is not
automatically revoked because.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
He's a juvenile. The case is sealed.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
The Weavers say the defendant never apologize. They say the
criminal justice system failed them and their daughter. Sean Boyd covering.
Speaker 8 (04:14):
Colorado First on CBS Colorado Channel four. Back here on
Ryan Schuling Live the story you just heard, We're going
to add some clarity and color with the former district
attorney in that eighteenth judicial district, which now encompasses a
Rappahoe County. George Brockler, our guest on the line. George,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 9 (04:33):
Hey, thanks for having me. Sorry about my voice.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Man.
Speaker 8 (04:36):
Now, you and me both going through a bit of
cold symptoms here. But I think it needs to be
stated what's reference in that story. There was a set
of charges that appears that were set to be filed
by then District Attorney John Kellner, your successor in the
eighteenth that changed hands to Amy Padden, a Democrat.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
The eighteenth became unwinnable.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
In my view for Republicans because the cleaved off your
new district, the twenty third, which was larger Republican and read,
leaving the eighteenth of Rappahole County to be blue. And
this was the result. Georgia, everything you heard right there,
everything that you know about this case, what is your
initial response.
Speaker 9 (05:15):
Yeah, well, first, John would have already filed the charges
on this. This was a plea bargain that was given.
And I think you've hit upon the thing that struck
me the most about Sean's reporting. And she did a
great job on this, and because it's sealed, I don't
even know how she gets this information. I presume it's
from the victims. But you know the fact that a
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plea bargain or a pursuit of charges changes so drastically
from one administration to the next, and the only difference
is an R in one and a D in the other.
That's problematic for me as a prosecutor. And I want
to be very cautious about this because many of the
prosecutors in the eighteenthir I promoted and I look up
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to those people as big fighters for justice. But at
the end of the day, the office is only as
good as and in the direction of the elected official.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
I think we lost George there for a moment. Let's
put him on hold just to see if Kelly can
reconnect or if Zach can work on that too. Luckily
we left him at a good punctuation point on the sentence.
But the point I was going to make and what
I'm going to ask George if he's back connected with us,
Zach we good on that end, which would be good.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
George.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
I don't mean to get too personal here, but this
is an exercise. I'd like you to walk with me
a little bit. How old are your kids.
Speaker 9 (06:46):
I've got four that I know of. I've got twenty two,
twenty seventeen, and fifteen.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
Okay, perfect, Let's say this was your fifteen year old
saying exact circumstances, legal citizen of the United States, legal standing,
it's a sweetheart deal offered in that case, because I'm
thinking it's not.
Speaker 9 (07:10):
I think it's unlikely. I think it's I think it
could happen though, in this jurisdiction that we're talking about.
And I say that because you know, the juvenile system
exists for the purposes the primary purposes of rehabilitation. That's
not to say that punishment can't be part of it,
and deterrence is a part of it, but for primary
the purpose of rehabilitation. But I have to tell you, man,
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in cases where juveniles engage in conduct that ends a life,
they should have a consequence that changes theirs. And I
think for some it's the idea that, well, my god,
any incarceration for a juvenile is too much and it
might send them down the wrong path. And I disagree,
in my opinion, not with the specific, specific reference to
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this case. From a juvenile fifteen years old engages in
behavior that kills enough their human being, there has to
be incarceration. There must be incarceration, if only for the
message to the victims and the rest of the community
that we won't tolerate this. All of those other factors
that we're in this story make you go, what in
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the world are we doing as a society. But these
things also, when you get sentences like this and outcomes
like this, it's the kind of thing that makes people
doubt the efficacy of the justice system. And I'm telling
you as a father of a child who if they
ended up dead and I'd lost faith in the system,
I start thinking in terms of vigilanti justice, and that
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is always wrong. But you can see society starting to
shift to a place where it stops trusting us to
bring them justice.
Speaker 8 (08:45):
George Brockler playing hurt with the voice affected by cold symptoms.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I'm also going through a lot of that.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
I know a lot of people probably are as well.
He is the district attorney in the twenty third, formerly
in the eighteenth. As he mentioned, he knows a lot
of these prosecutors there, but and down objectively here George
on motive of the prosecution, and let me let me
explain why, because as was outlined in that story, this
is a fifteen year old should have been driving at all,
or I believe, if driving, should have had an adult
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present with a permit, not a license, not license to
drive illegal in that regard. Took the car without permission
from his parent, okay, in the country, illegally from Colombia,
not legally in this country.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Here is my suspicion, and just tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
The prosecutor, Amy Patten did not want to go to
the level of incarceration for this juvenile, because if it
had gone down that road, he might be a candidate
for deportation.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Along with his family. What do you think about that part?
Speaker 9 (09:41):
Yeah, I do. I agree. In fact, I've heard some
other reporting after this that the family had contemplated before
this deal, that they had contemplated voluntarily leaving the country,
and instead, now that they've gotten this outcome, they're going
to file for amnesty so that they can stay forever here.
So I do think that must have been a motivating factor.
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There's just so much about this man. It's just different
than how you perceive the system working. There was something
that was said in the story too that really bothered me.
It was put out by the DA's office and they said,
our job, in part is to treat similarly situated people equitably.
That is not true. That is fake. The actual language
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is treat similarly situated people similarly. That equity word, that
progressive catch all word for hey, we got to figure
out a way to eve it out. Everything based on
our own subjective sense of values. That is fake and
made up. That is not the pursuit of justice. So
similarly situated similarly means if there's other fifteen year olds
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out there in the state of Colorado who are driving
around and stolen cars at twice the speed limit, crushing
and killing innocent people. What's happening with them? And I
think you'd be hard pressed to find another case out
there where they're getting to walk out of the court
room and go home to file for anthesty.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
Ninety in a forty five George Brockler, our guests, he
is the da in the twenty third in this case.
You know, you look at the death of this young woman.
She had dreams, she had aspirations. They're snuffed out in
the blink of an eye. And then the audacity George
the gall Now this family is going to file for asylum?
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Are you kidding me? They're going to get here. I
killed this young woman recklessly and wantonly in this accident,
not even an accident, This was a completely disregarding the
life of the woman driving that speed in that zone.
They're going to be candidates for asylum.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
Hey, yeah, this is another issue. This is a fabricatory
issue to find out how much this changes things. But
you know, like I said that, the part that concerns
me the most is that it seems like just changing
hands between two prosecutors based on political party has so
shifted the folks in terms of what's defined as justice. Now, listen,
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I can't tell you that every fifteen year old that
kill someone behind the wheel the way this one did
would end up in dys which is where they'd go.
The maximum sense they could receive a two years the
Department of Youth Services, Division of Youth Services. But I'll
say this if it's me, and I don't know all
these facts, and maybe there was something here that was
so drastically different between Kellner and Paden, and I can't
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imagine what that is that it changed their mind. But
I would much rather go to the court, fight for justice,
fight for the right outcome, and have the court come
in and say I disagree, I'm giving this kid probation. Well,
then it's on the judge. But in this case, the
suggestion that hey, you know, the judge approved this sentence,
therefore it's the right one, that's not true. The judges
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approved ninety nine point nine ninety nine percent of plea
bargains ands in these circumstances, so that's kind of a
fake standard too. I just think at the end of
the day, or in a place here where we're starting
to see what happens when you trade out Republicans for
Democrats and experienced prosecutors for inexperienced prosecutor.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
George got to get your reaction to this, because your
county was invoked in this story Douglas County by the
Mayor of Denver, Mike Johnston, the issue vehicle tracking cameras.
This report from Mark Salinger of nine News Kyle Clark,
with the lead in.
Speaker 10 (13:25):
Denver's mayor wants the city to keep using its car.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Tracking cameras, despite.
Speaker 10 (13:30):
The fact that he recently urged the council not to
extend a contract for the cameras their concerns that data
could be used by Ice to deport people. Mayor Mike
Johnson tells our Mark Sallenger he thinks there's a way
to do this without Denver assisting in the roundup of immigrants.
Speaker 11 (13:48):
Denver system of car tracking cameras is in the middle
of a debate between public safety and privacy.
Speaker 12 (13:54):
I have every intention of wanting to keep every one
of those cameras up and keep them operating, because we
know that dramatically reduced.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Crime in sit twelve nays.
Speaker 11 (14:02):
Just last week, Denver Mayor Mike Johnston told city council
members to vote down a proposed contract it's tending the
use that the flock cameras. He says too many council
members had concerns that data would be shared with federal
immigration agencies. Now, he says he's confident that data is safe.
Speaker 12 (14:18):
Could a federal law enforcement agency use this database to
track someone down on a nice hold and arrest them. No,
because the system is not designed to do that.
Speaker 11 (14:27):
The cameras read license plates and track cars. They're used
by more than seventy law enforcement agencies in Colorado. Denver
says it'll lock its data down. Even other police agencies
in the state will have to file a request with
Denver Police to get access on a case by case basis.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
If Douglas County.
Speaker 12 (14:45):
Does have a request to access data or to understand
someone they're looking for, they would send us a request
to say, we're looking for this license plate.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Suspected in this crime. Have you seen it?
Speaker 12 (14:55):
And then we would be able to share or inform
that data.
Speaker 11 (14:58):
The same goes with federal agents. Denver is open to
sharing data with ICE, for example, as long as ICE
can prove they're pursuing someone who has committed a state crime.
Speaker 12 (15:08):
If you have someone who has just wanted on you
cross the border without documentation, that's not a crime in Colorado,
that's not a state crime.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
That's not something that we would honor.
Speaker 11 (15:16):
The cameras have helped solve everything from stolen cars to
jewelry heists to a shooting earlier this month in Lodo.
Johnston says it's too crucial of a tool not to use.
Speaker 12 (15:26):
We have every intention of making sure these cameras stay up,
the public safety is in place, and we contrack down
violent criminals.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
George Brockler your reaction, especially to that Douglas County example.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
Of course they're going to use Douglas because we're one
of the places, the last place is in the metro
area that prioritizes law enforcement regardless of whether the defendants
are citizens or non citizens. You know, I listen two
statements like this, and I've said to a many times, man,
I'm a big Mike Johnson fan. I like him as
a person. I think his wife's a great prosecutor. Edver,
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I just think he is trapped in a city and
a political ideology that makes them say things that you
come away feeling like they prioritize everybody else except law
abiding citizens, Like if you're almost my god, you're at
the top of their list. You're an a legal immigrant. Hey,
you're at the top of their list. You get all
their attention of fact, they're going to fight federal law
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enforcers to keep them from being able to enforce the
law against you. I heard something in there that I
thought was a little interesting. Hey, we'll cooperate with ICE
if they're pursuing someone who is who's committed a state
violation of law. What like, what if they're pursuing someone
that's committed a federal violation of the law. Is that
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not good enough? Like some of the language that they
use doesn't make sense. These flock cameras have reduced crime
in so many different places and in so many different ways.
To then create an extra step and say, hey, for
us to share this information, you have to prove to
us is actually get illegal immigrants out of the community
is a little silly to me. And then I'd say
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this too. We're starting to process of putting together data
to heat map the home of record in the zip
codes where most of the criminals that commit crimes down
here from I'll tell you what, man, I'm pretty convinced
we're going to find a big chunk. If not, the
majority come from Denver and Aurora. And if that's true,
I feel like Douglas County ought to send them a
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bill and Allah Boulder filing a lawsuit against these energy
companies for climate change. I feel like we ought to
be filing a lawsuit or consider one for crime change.
I mean, this is crime pollution that they're allowing to
occur with these ridiculous policies.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
We're lucky to have them on the twenty third, and
George's going to let your rest that voice. Thank you
so much for your time today. Always appreciate your insights.
Speaker 9 (17:50):
Next time I'll be more.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
Erry White, George Brockler just a attorney in the twenty
third and you got to believe PK that he's so
frustrated this this his former district we were talking about
with regard to that vehicular homicide and Amy Padden, Democrat
comes in and just lays waste to whatever his success,
Sir John Kellner was trying to pursue it as a prosecution.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Well, this.
Speaker 13 (18:16):
Just goes to show you that it doesn't matter who's
in Democrat or Republican in these positions of power. And
it also shows how the court system is nothing but
a tool in the political fight instead of in the
law and order.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
Fight, right, And that was not how it was supposed
to be. Ever, what we grew up with and what
we constitutionally. There you go, it has become very political.
And that's why I wanted to address and nip in
the bud that subject as to why Amy Padden would
go so soft on an illegal alien compared to let's say,
a fifteen year old who was born in the United
States and an American citizen.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
P K.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Steinberg Stevenson.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
She is the host of the Humanity Against Tyranny podcast
that's coming up later this evening. She'll join me for
the full hour and coming up next Lin's jeffco Kids First.
There's more to talk about there here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 14 (19:10):
A teacher in Douglas County in jail charged with sexual
assault of a child.
Speaker 15 (19:14):
So now investigators reaching out to the public to see
if there are any other victims who are willing to
come forward.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Fox Uns generally joins.
Speaker 15 (19:21):
US Life from Douglas County with the details what we
know so far about the situation.
Speaker 14 (19:26):
Jim Andrew, Good morning. Yeah, this is obviously very alarming
for our parents down here with students in the schools,
and the investigators said that they're concerned that there may
be more victims out there because of this man. This
teacher worked at several schools here throughout the county and
throughout the district. Here's the very latest that we have
on the investigation from Douglas County Sheriff's Office this morning,
and this is the teacher under arrest this morning. He's
(19:46):
forty nine year old David Field, feel Us from Littleton.
He's been arrested on two counts of sexual assault on
a child by someone in a position of trust. This
investigation was conducted by the Special Victims Unit of the
Sheriff's Department here in Dugco. Field was hired by Douglas
County Schools in twenty fourteen. He most recently was a
teacher over at Roxboro Intermedia School and he's currently being
(20:08):
held here at the Detention center here in Douglas Couty's
being held on a no bond hold. And we understand
from investigators that he also worked as a substitute teacher
or a sub at various locations, various schools throughout the
district over the past couple of years. So that's where
the concern is that in fact he had of contact
the possibility of having contact with many students during that time.
(20:29):
So investigators are asking that if you know that your
child had a field in any way, shape or form,
had any contact with them physically or perhaps on social
media as well, talk to your child, who's very sensited,
very difficult, we know, but obviously try to have a
talk with him see if there's any information. If you
have any information whatsoever that could help with the investigation,
(20:50):
please contact the Douglas kind Of Sheriff's office in Castle
Rocket the Sheriff's office this morning. I'm Jim Pullet Fox
to the mom.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Now, obviously I couldn't ask George Brockler about that case
specifically directly, not yet, but I have complete faith that
this will be prosecuted swiftly and dealt with severely by
George Brockler and his district attorney's office. In the twenty
third where this teacher, David feel forty nine resides.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That's Doug Coe, that's one thing I've told.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
You before, this is an epidemic state wide and in
particular ground zero for this.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
A lot of it is happening in Jeffco.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
And there's another example of this also from Fox thirty one,
going from Jim Hooley to Lisa Desuza. The Jefferson County
School district is grappling with allegations against a former school
psychologist after he's arrested for sexual assault of a child.
Speaker 15 (21:37):
Yeah, just awful to hear about something like this. We
also learned about a similar arrestover in Douglas County this week.
Foxy wants Lisa Desusa joins us this morning as one
group is now working to promote student safety because not
a trend that we want to see a multiple school districts.
Speaker 16 (21:54):
Right obviously, very concerning and you can imagine how unnerving
this is for parents in this school district as well.
So we know right now Lakewood Police are investigating this
case specifically out of Greenwood High School, and the big
concern at this point is that there could potentially be
more victims out there.
Speaker 17 (22:11):
So today, really throughout the week, there are is going
to be a Jefferson County Crisis.
Speaker 16 (22:15):
Response team here at the high school and then at
other schools as well here within the school district of
Jefferson County. On Monday, the psychologist was fired from his
job here and arrested the next day.
Speaker 17 (22:27):
Here's his photo. Thirty eight year old James Shaverer.
Speaker 16 (22:30):
He worked here at Green Mountain High since twenty twenty three.
He also would visit Bear Creek High once a week
during the twenty twenty four school year.
Speaker 17 (22:37):
He worked at Evergreen High School from twenty twenty two
to twenty twenty three, and in the Cherry Creek School
district as well in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 16 (22:45):
Now, officials they credit is Safe to Tell report made
last Friday for tipping them off about this. He now
faces a slew of disturbing charges that includes sexual assault
on a child by one in a position of trust.
Parents with the family group Jeffco Kids First Wing on
how important big conversations are really in the wake of
his arrest.
Speaker 18 (23:05):
Talk to their children about what it means to trust
that trust is.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Earned, it's not random within a school of building.
Speaker 18 (23:14):
And to discuss what those boundaries are, and to always
be open with their parents about the teacher relationships that
they're having that they need to be largely focused on
an academic relationship, and.
Speaker 16 (23:31):
The Jefferson County School District echoing that sentiment as well,
noting that it is working closely with Lakewood Police, the
police department, and the school district. They'll be putting on
three separate meetings for families next week at all three
of the Jefferson County.
Speaker 17 (23:44):
Schools you worked at. You can see the details.
Speaker 16 (23:46):
Here on your screen, all taking place at four pm Monday, Tuesday,
and Wednesday. Now, district officials say they're providing all resources
possible to anyone who may have been impacted by this,
and again, really the big concern right now is that
there could be more victims out there. So again, if
you know anything about this, please contact Liquid Police right away.
Speaker 17 (24:04):
Of course, we'll be on top of any developments here
for you. Liva Green Mountain High School, we said to
SUSA Fox thirty one.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Now, the big concern is that this is far from
an isolated incident in the jeff Cooe public schools. And
the female voice that you heard that they went to
for Jeffco kids first joins us now on Ryan Schuling
Live Lindsey Datco Lindsay, welcome, back.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
To the show.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Hey, thanks Ryan.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Now we get this latest case and it's one of
several at this point as you're keeping account and I
know that you are when it comes to jeff Co
Public Schools, faculty, staff and administrators, how many cases like
this are you aware of where there is the abuse
of a child, sexual or otherwise.
Speaker 19 (24:46):
We are counting at thirty possibly more that we have
documented through open records.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
How does this happen at Jeffco Public Schools?
Speaker 19 (24:57):
It's unbelievable, but we are deeply con aren't about was
what has become really a pattern of sexual misconduct within
Jacko Schools signaling this broader crisis and it really cannot
be dismissed as an isolated incident.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
Now further that point, lindsay, would I be really targeting here?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
And I know I'm not. I'm going to tell you
how to do your job.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
You lead this organization, done a wonderful job of doing that, Jeff,
Go kids first, But what exactly we need some transparency here?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
What is the vetting process for hiring?
Speaker 8 (25:28):
It seems like they can hire anybody off the street
and maybe downtown Denver somebody homeless with addiction problems that
wouldn't have any kind of qualification to work in a
school district, be in a position of trust, to be
to have children under their care and leadership. Because we've seen,
like you said, thirty plus cases like this involving jeffco
Public schools faculty, staff or administrators.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
This is an epidemic.
Speaker 19 (25:53):
It sure is, and that is the million dollar question.
And that's why I have connected with someone named Faith
out of Illinois. She inspired Faith's law. She was a
victim of sexual abuse by a teacher in high school.
And it is a long standing problem in school districts.
I've learned where teachers are not vetted properly, especially when
(26:16):
moving from district to district or state to state, that
there are no requirements to disclose prior investigations or allegations.
And so in Illinois they have had their data shows
incredible success with this law that requires employees to give
consent to and also to imply whether they have been
(26:41):
part of an investigation and to consent to the school
district looking into that. And that's what we need in
jeff Coo. We have seen them updated policy recently which
we are considering a success. Through our experts are trying
to implement something similar in their policy, but it's a
state law would really be helpful because of them moving
(27:04):
around district to district.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Lindsay, this is just a complete and utter failure of
epic proportions by Jeffical Public schools. They got nowhere to run,
and they got nowhere to hide. They have no excuse
for any of this.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
They can't.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
But when you confront them with these facts, I mean,
these are in news reports from our local television stations.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Here.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
This isn't like just one person said this and the
other person disagrees with it. These are documented stories and facts.
They're happening in perpetuity. They're happening exponentially in Jeffical Public schools.
What do they have to say for themselves in light
of all these cases, Well, last month.
Speaker 19 (27:40):
The board meeting, we filled multiple rooms at the Board
of ED Center. I spoke TV news stations covered almost
every single one where I outline these cases and walking out,
the media said to me, hey, they're challenging you to
your evidence. And our response was they've provided us to evidence.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Through open records.
Speaker 19 (28:07):
So immediately the next day we responded, won't meet any time,
we want to sit down. We want to discuss these patterns,
and the only thing we got back was them using
their communications email to list off what their policies are.
And so first they challenge us, and then they won't
meet with us, and they they're labeling us our efforts
(28:28):
even as noise at times, and that is very disturbing
to us.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Well, the battle continues for website jeffcokidsfirst dot com. I
highly recommend you check it out, especially if you are
a parent in the Jeffco Public School district. And Lindsey,
I got to say, I admire you for standing in
there in the breach and fighting on behalf of all
those parents, not only in jeff Co, but it turns
out statewide.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Keep it up.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
We appreciate your time and we'll talk to you again.
Hopefully there are no further updates, but it seems like
there is something almost every.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Single day.
Speaker 19 (29:00):
Definitely does.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
Thank you always for having us on, Lindsay Dadco right there,
five seven seven three nine. We'll take this time out
your reaction at five seven seven three nine MPK sty
Mark Stevenson has thoughts. She's the host of the Humanity
Against Tyranny podcast, which records tonight. Subscribe download and listen
to that on your favorite podcast platform.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
This is Ryan Schuling live, but a lot.
Speaker 8 (29:25):
Of texts on a lot of these stories that are
hitting us locally. Here this from Mills, the Norwegian up
in the hinterland that he goes what the blank sounds
like jeff Coo schools is a paradise for pedophiles.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Got a text along those lines as well, said Ryan.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
I guess those of us in Jeffcoe should change the
name of the county to pedophile County. Here's another one.
I am an HVAC tech. I have background checks done frequently.
Don't the teachers have that done? Tell you what Texter,
If they do in Jeffco's schools, it ain't working because everybody,
anybody is getting in slipping through the cracks. An incident
after incident is being reported in the local news. Discovered
(30:03):
through freedom of information by jeff co Kids First. Imagine
what this landscape would look like if Lindsey Datko had
not started that organization. You find them online jeffco Kids
First dot com. PK your reaction to anything you just
heard over this last hour.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
It's been a lot listening.
Speaker 13 (30:20):
And I've been listening and I'm just sitting here, Ryan going,
why the rise in this child abuse?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Why?
Speaker 13 (30:28):
And it goes right back to the rise in child porn.
Take a look at everything Hollywood, the political system. It's
this push to lower the age of sex with children,
like in California, even a Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg,
she wanted it to be legal to have sex with
(30:50):
kids as young as ten years old. This kind of
attitude when we grew up, Ryan.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
You didn't touch a kid, okay, and if you did.
Speaker 13 (30:58):
You were really you know, it was their word to
terrans and it was really it was like this vigil
ante thing that you know was brought up earlier. It's like,
you didn't touch a child and parents took care of this.
And now with this it takes a village and them
telling you what's appropriate with children or not. And the
child porn is just free speech that there's nothing wrong
(31:20):
with it. Come on, take take a deep, long look
at what's going on in the last few decades that
this rise that everybody feels they have the right to
touch a child.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
She's the host of the Humanity Against Tyranny podcasts, which
we record right here weekly, usually on Wednesdays, but had
the NFL schedule release special coverage last night, so we'll
be recording tonight. Subscribe, download and listen. You can hear
me chirp in from time to time as well. That's
on your favorite podcast platform, Humanity Against Tyranny. Now, going
back to our conversation with George Brockler and Amy Padden,
(31:54):
the prosecutor, that this is good, Texter, My last girlfriend
was friends with Amy Padden and I had to go
to a bunch of social events at Amy's fundraising events.
She's insufferable, Texter. Are you referring to your girlfriend or
any Patton or both? PK your thoughts on that story.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Well, my thoughts on.
Speaker 13 (32:12):
This story is, I want to know were the parents illegal?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
What were the parents to?
Speaker 6 (32:16):
The whole family's illegal?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Now they want to.
Speaker 13 (32:18):
Silum, I know the audacity. Yeah, it's like, but they
feel it's okay. The minute you say that a person
who's illegal has done something wrong, they start pushing the
immigration stuff. And anytime it's this, they'll pull the racist card.
They'll pull anything to just even if somebody is illegal,
no legal laws apply to them.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
Well, if they're here illegally, they're here illegally for a reason.
They're not here legally for a reason. So that's what
I would want to know. How did you get into
the country. Why did you come to this country? Why
didn't you do it legally? You don't have any standing.
In my mind, we boot you to the curb. You
try again, maybe, but especially in this case, gt to
the FO he was going ninety and a forty five,
(33:02):
got license to drive here illegally, kills a young woman,
and you want asylum.
Speaker 13 (33:07):
Yes, And the mother says, well, I don't have anything
to do with thought.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
I didn't give him permission. Yes you did.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
However, you raised him. You gave him permission.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
Permission is what Mike Johnston, mayor of Denver, is giving
illegals to come on in sanctuary city, sanctuary state. We're
gonna use the license plate, cameras and such, but we're
not going to cooperate with ice. Why is he fighting
so hard to protect criminal illegal aliens.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
I don't get it.
Speaker 13 (33:31):
And you know, he didn't get anything that would make
him have to have a consequence to what he did.
And in this the whole thing they talked about the
level of remorse. Well, according to the Weavers, he never
even apologized to them, yet they gave him a sentence
that had to do with probation.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Probation Padden is a disgrace and had this been a
US citizen fifteen year old, I do not believe would
be handled the same way because Amy wanted to protect
this juveni from deportation. Period end of sentence, find schooling
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