February 13, 2025 • 35 mins
It's an epidemic in Jefferson County Public Schools - teachers, administrators, and staff grooming and/or abusing the very children they are supposed to protect. Lindsay Datko pays another visit outlining yet another shocking example of parents at Columbine High School being kept in the dark as their daughter filed paperwork with counselors to declare herself 'homeless' before moving in with a female teacher.
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Also, an update on the horrifying details of a JeffCo Schools para-pro who groomed a special needs student to have a sexual relationship, then asked him to 'bring a gun' to school in order to shoot one of her colleagues.
Teacher had sexual relationship with special needs student, asked him to 'bring a gun' to school to shoot colleague
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Then, Dr. Rich Guggenheim of Gays Against Groomers joins Ryan to discuss his initiative to protect girls and women's sports in Colorado.
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Also, an update on the horrifying details of a JeffCo Schools para-pro who groomed a special needs student to have a sexual relationship, then asked him to 'bring a gun' to school in order to shoot one of her colleagues.
Teacher had sexual relationship with special needs student, asked him to 'bring a gun' to school to shoot colleague
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Then, Dr. Rich Guggenheim of Gays Against Groomers joins Ryan to discuss his initiative to protect girls and women's sports in Colorado.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sean Boyd uncovered documents the show's school officials helped an
underage student declare herself homeless so she could move in
with a teacher. Sean Boyd joined us Now to talk
more honest to Sean, she was not homeless, no.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And the school district admits that those involved knew that,
yet they helped a student fill out a federal form
that said she was homeless, then hid it from her
parents so she could move in with a teacher. And
that's just the beginning. There's like this icky feeling that
something's wrong, and then as it progressed, it only got worse.
(00:37):
Heather McCormick says there were red flags at Columbine High
School long before the school district hired investigators who found
teacher Leanne Karney had been grooming a female student. Cormick
is friends with that student's mother, and there wasn't one
person who stood up and was like, something doesn't seem
(00:57):
right and reached out to the parents instead. School emails
obtained through an open records request show counselors purposefully kept
the parents in the dark while they helped their daughter
fill out a federal form declaring herself homeless. So she
could move in with a teacher. I think it's really
scary that we can take teenagers or children of any
(01:20):
age and just say whatever you say is truth. We're
not going to investigate it. We're going to take big
steps to declare you homeless without notifying your family, Investigators
say principal Scott Christie also knew about the girl's plans
and didn't tell her parents. McCormick says the mom stumbled
upon the homeless document while cleaning her daughter's room and
(01:43):
later found a letter describing her daughter kissing Carney, along
with thousands of calls and texts between the two. She
says she sent Carne a message warning her it needed
to stop, and then took the calls and text to
the principal, who, she says, dismiss them, telling her miss
Carney takes interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality. Do
(02:04):
you think the school would have reacted differently had Carney
been a male teacher?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Absolutely, Carne quit, but it would take two years and
pressure from the mom before she lost her teaching license.
McCormick says her friend lost far more. When her daughter
turned eighteen, she moved out of state with the teacher.
It's really scary to think that there are schools and
teachers and administrations that are working behind your back, not
(02:30):
in the best interest of your child. Jeffo's School district
sent me a statement saying, obviously the student did not
meet the criteria to be considered homeless, and the staff
involved in this isolated incident were addressed as part of
the investigation as the proper channels in place were not followed.
While we have taken every step to remove this former
employee from jeff Co and prevent her working in another
(02:53):
educational setting, we recognize this is of little comfort to
the family. We deeply regret help profoundly this violation has
affected the family, and the district also says it's changed
policies to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That's not enough. That doesn't unring this bell. That doesn't
undo the damage done to this young girl, who was
a girl, a minor. This abuse, this predatory behavior by
a female teacher in the Columbine School District was empowered
and enabled by counselors at that school who willfully and
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knowingly subverted the authority of the parents of this child,
kept them in the dark, filled out falsified paperwork indicating
that this young female student was homeless, then enabling that
student to move in with this teacher. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
No, Dan Caplis, But there's got to be some legal
recourse or remedy for this family that, as you heard
in this wonderful reporting by Sean Boyd CBS FO Colorado,
that young girl ended up, which she turned eighteen, moving
out to California with this crazy, abusive, predatory teacher. And
(04:18):
we're just supposed to react like, well, sorry about that.
All's well, that ends. Well, we change your policy so
it won't happen again. Sorry it happened to you. I
don't know about these parents, but Columbine High School's lucky.
I'm not that child's dad, because we'd be going to court.
Baby high stakes poker.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Let's go. This is infuriating and it should be.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
And this is not an isolated incident, as we've revealed
throughout the last hour. And one of the people on
the forefront that is helping expose all of this and
is finally getting some national traction and coverage is Lindsey
Dadco and she's the founder of Jeffco Kids first, and
of course she may have heard about all of this
first on this program, as she's a regular guest, we
(05:04):
always appreciate her time. She joined us now on Ryan
Schuling Live, Lindsay, welcome back.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Hey Ryan.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That kind of a big day, huh.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, big day after two and a half years of
helping this broken.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Mother and family try to get some accountability, and it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Look like that's really happened here.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I listened
to that story as presented by Sean Boyd, But I
don't see any remedy for this family, for these parents,
do you?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Absolutely not?
Speaker 7 (05:35):
And it was us who ultimately.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Made sure the license of this teacher was revoked. After
this teacher had the ability to step into a classroom
with an active license, and after around two years, we
finally reached out to the state Commissioner of Education, who
looked into it and then revoked the license. And the
(06:00):
question is why didn't Jeff ho she to it that
that license was revoked immediately, And knowing that the chief
of legal worked for the Colorado Department of Education certainly
had more connections than we did, why was that.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
License not revoked?
Speaker 6 (06:17):
And That's what launched the story with CBS is that
the recent revocation of the license signed by the Attorney
General excited grooming after their investigation, and that allowed Seawan
Boyd to take the evidence and the documentation and open
up this story.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Jeffco Kids First dot com you can find out more
online there.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's founder Lindsay dtco with us.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
This seems to be a problematic trend, to put it
mildly by Jeffco Public Schools. Lindsay in that they are
completely reactive, if that, and certainly not proactive.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
About any of this.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
About getting in front of a bad news story like
we talked about with David Weiss in our number one
or like we talked about you and I right here
with Imagine k Ewer. I mean, these are just three examples,
but there are three of many. How many similar type cases?
I know you've been digging on these, but how many
cases of this, whether it be grooming or sexual abuse
(07:17):
or anything along those lines, have you been able to
identify happening in Jeffco Public schools?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
You hit the nail on the head, and I have
sat across from district leaders and said, we are tired
of the reactive response. We want proactivity. These are earth
shattering situations to families and we want to know what's
going to be done to prevent and not just respond.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
And in my letter that I wrote, I outlined eight
specific incidents.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
With another paragraph talking about others with separation agreements that
we have found. So there are multiple that we have
queer documentation for and it's been taken nationally today. In
my letter as it's so disturbing, I saw one person.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Say I could only get to number three because I
was so nauseous.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
And these aren't just one off in Jefferson County. There
is a pattern here that reveals a problem with the culture,
a problem with policy, a problem with reporting, as we've
talked about, and it needs to be hit head on,
and we need to stop hearing these bureaucratic responses.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Lindsay Denko our guest, and she is a parent in
Jeffco Public schools. I always try to take this to
its logical conclusion. Lindsay and I can't get there. We
can apply external pressure on a show like this with
Sean Boyd's reporting at CBS four with Chaia Raicheck and
libs of TikTok shining.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Daylight on this over and over.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
You can bring it up as a concern Parrot through
Jeffco kids first, but where is the impetus for change?
When does maybe the legal system get involved and jeff
Co Schools is put on blast and held accountable and
forced to change.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
When is that tipping point? Is there? One?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (09:12):
And my letter was sent to the Attorney General's office
and we did receive.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
A response for a phone call.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
We're looking forward to that and we you know, they
respond and say, we don't usually get involved.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
In local school districts, and our response back was this
is not normal. It has to be a different course
has to be taken here. You need to pay attention and.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
We appreciate their ear and hope that maybe that's our
next step for accountability. But those employees who signed that
paperwork falsified federal documents.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
And they should not be employed in jeff Cost Schools.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And that takes me to this next question.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Lindsey, a very astute one from listener kimberly asked, Okay,
so they fired the teacher, got our license removed, but
what about the counselors and the print are they still
acting and in their current positions. You're telling me the
answer is yes.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
The answer is yes, And.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Just a couple of weeks ago, they have active voicemails,
they're on the school website, and the McKinney Ventel liaison
who signed the facilitated and signed the paperwork.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I believe she just facilitated it.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
If you look into McKenny Vento Homeless Act, this child
certainly did not fit their definition of homelessness or and
they did not follow local policy which even says if
a parent disputes the fact that a child is homeless,
there's an entire process that has.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
To be followed. But they couldn't even do that because
they had no awareness. And so this is very serious.
Just a talking to, which.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Is what the district indicates is these people continue in
their positions is not sufficient and they should be removed.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
It's completely unacceptable. I can't believe more. Parents in jeff
Cos schools, specifically at Columbine, are entirely outraged and calling
for the removal, the resignation, or the firing of these
people involved that were actively participating in the aiding and
bedding of corrupting a minor and declaring her falsely as
homeless so she could live with the female teacher. Lindsay,
(11:18):
I'm speaking these words. I can't even believe them as
they're coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
It's incredible, I know. And I want to clarify Ryan
that these parents they found the note.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah about kiss about kissing between the teacher and the student,
as well as tracked her on Life three sixty at
the teacher's home, and it was right then they texted
a teacher and said, do not contact my daughter. And
they went immediately to the sheriff's department. That's not something
that was reported, but they went immediately and the sheriff
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told them document everything. The very next day they went
to the principle and then they heard she was going
to be moving.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
In with this teacher.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
They held a.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Two hour meeting with the supple who said he.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Was aware of the text messages in that meeting and
when the parents said, was that not a red flag,
that's when he said the words, she is passionate about
helping kids navigate their sexuality.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
And it was the next day they found the homeless
paper work under her.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Bed, and soon after she turned.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Eighteen, and we're talking about a small window of time.
These parents did everything they could before their daughter was
swept away from them. They attended her graduation with family
in town, but never were able to have face to
face and never got pictures with their daughter graduating. They
watched from afar and this is a tragic, heartbreaking story
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with parents who did everything they could.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Lindsay dcho joining us jeff co Kids first, So let
me get this accurate. They empowered a sexual predator with
the explanation that this sexual predator, and that's who she
is and that's what she is, was helping the student
navigate her sexuality.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
That's exactly the words that the parents report and show
up in the investigations that the principle used.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I'm sorry in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yes, Now, let me ask you this question, because they
were not featured in the package that Sean Boyd reported on.
I think it was a friend of the family. But
do you know these parents personally? Have you had conversations
with them and what is their state of mind right now?
What is their next course of action if any?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I have connected with them over the last two and
a half years and helped them through this until we
were able to get enough documentation.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
I've met with them in person, talked with them daily.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
They have preceived documentation. They feel they lost their daughter,
but who remains in California where that teacher also remains.
And the only solace that the mother has is to
ensure that this does.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Not happen happen to any other child.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
And that's where her fight has been focused. She can't
sleep at night knowing these employees signed that paperwork and
it could happen.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
To another child.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
And I'll tell you two days ago, Ryan, this.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Mother just finished radiation for breast cancer and the next
day Sean boyd airs the story.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
So it's been a good week.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
It hasn't brought the accountability yet that we're seeking, but
it is a good week and we do see it
taking hold in the community and even nationally.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yes, Lindsay Datko Jeff co Kids. First, very important segment here.
This is a culture of indoctrination, of grooming and really
of a so called pillar of the community, Lindsey, And
we keep hearing that term, and you voice that in
a story I aired earlier in the first hour about
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blurring these lines between the family and the school, and
then saying that the school is a family, and that
they are going to insert themselves the audacity of this
to look out for what's best for the kids because
they know better than the parents, and it's very much
in the interest of protecting the child that the parents
not know about it. In what universe is that healthy
(15:16):
behavior by a school district?
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Exactly?
Speaker 6 (15:19):
And I'm a teacher by a profession, Ryan not currently,
But there's a lot that teachers often talk about called
in loco parentis and that basically means that you're going
to protect a child as a parent.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Would, but it does not mean that you become the parent.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
And that's unfortunately what we are seeing in our schools today,
and it is a dangerous practice that is.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Dividing families, and when the families are.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Divided, that divides the society and.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Weakens our society in ways that nothing else will.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Lindsey, I heard Heidiganall refer to a meeting schedule in
four this evening. I believe it's at five pm in
Golden Can you tell us more about that and what's
supposed to happen at that meeting.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yes, they have been talking about this board meeting as
the meeting where they will reveal all of the.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Practices that they are going to improve.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
In Jeffco schools based on the Chief of Schools who
was caught with child's pornography before committing suicide, and the
many other news stories on sexual abuse in Jeffco schools.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
And they're talking about council.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Summits trainings, improving their background tech processes, and that is
supposed to take place tonight at five pm at eighteen
twenty nine Denver West Boulevard in Golden which is then
ed Center and tonight we'll see exactly how much clarity
they provide for the community on what is exactly and
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how much responsibility they take for the gaps that are
occurring in Jefferson County.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Can only imagine how that's going to go.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
This Texter asks, when are the parents going to stand
up and say enough do something. Well, lindsay, we know
that you are and I've done my level best on
this program to give you that platform so that other
parents who might be in a similar scenario as this
tragedy we witnessed at Columbine High School could know that
they're not alone, that they can pool resources and notes
and information and observations at Jeffco Kids first, But what
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would your advice be to a parent who has children
in the Jeffcoe Public School District right now? They've got questions,
they've got issues, they've got concerns. Upon hearing about all
of this, what should they do?
Speaker 6 (17:29):
They have to be completely aware of everything that's going
on in their child's classrooms. The more local you go,
the more you protect your child. And that's their child's classroom.
They have to read communications, They have to be completely
involved and aware and fight their individual battles. I'm a
big believer that if everybody fights their individual battles and
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takes a stand, that will make a difference and craft
the foundation that is so weak.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
And we at Jeffco kids first are.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Taking on the whole system through a strong network and together.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I believe that's what's going to push for change.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
People need to show up these meetings, write letters to
the board, and every bit of action that they can
possibly take, focusing on their child and what's happening.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Go tonight if you are a parent in that school district,
Golden and that address.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
One more time, Lindsay for the meeting.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Eighteen twenty nine Denver West Boulevard in Golden.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Follow her on ex at l dat COO. That's Datko.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
She's been on the front lines of this for a
long time before these stories even made national headlines, and
now thankfully they are. Jeffco Schools needs a total ReVibe rebuild,
and Lindsey you are central to that cause. Thank you
so much for your time, for all that you do,
and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yes, thank you so much, Brian, Lindsay.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Dako joining us there five seven seven three nine is
the text line. Joining us next, Doctor Rich Guggenheim making
an effort through an initiate to protect girls and women's
sports and spaces here in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
After this, I'm Ryan Schuling live.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
With my action this afternoon. We're putting every school receiving
taxpayer dollars on notice that if you let men take
over women's sports teams or invade your locker rooms, you
will be investigated for violations of Title nine and risk
you your federal funding.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
There will be no federal farder.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
So this will effectively end the attack on female athletes
at public K twelve schools and virtually all US colleges
and universities.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That was a week ago, and in the meantime we've
spoken with Jennifer Say, who was there founder of XXXY
Athletics and a tremendous voice for girls and women's sports
and spaces, protecting them through Title nine and those protections
that are offered dating back fifty years. We also spoke
with Kim Russell and her harrowing tale of being sidelined
(20:08):
as the Oberlin College lacrosse coach simply because she believed
in the same and now she's the head coach of
the US Virgin Islands National A lacrosse team and a
big part of this movement as well. She was there
in attendance for this signing of the executive order. But
a part of this conversation that I look forward to
having is with my good friend doctor Rich Guggenheim, and
(20:30):
you can follow him on x at.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Fifty two eighty based Homo.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's the handle and something that he is trying to
fill in the gaps with is protecting girls' sports. And
we'll get more into the specifics of it. But at
the state and local level, where maybe what President Trump
signed as an executive order may not come into play.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
We at private clubs, etc. That might not be under.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
The jurisdiction of this executive Order, he joins us now
on Ryan Schuling Live Rich.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Welcome back, Thanks Ran, good to be with you.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Always great to hear from you. And this is such
a great and noble cause and a necessary one. Unfortunately,
because we've seen now just in this last week, there
are challenges to this executive order coming from specifically trans
athletes in specific blue states I've noticed as well. Just
bring us up to date on the week that has
transpired since and whether there are similar such efforts here
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in Colorado going on.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Oh, yes, you're right, these trans athletes, and let's just
be honest, the trans woman is a man. They are mad,
and they're mad because these men are being told they
aren't going to be allowed to invade women's spaces and
appropriate their rights. So this is where it's going to happen.
This is where we're at currently, and I think the
Trump administration has prepared for this. We're seeing the litigation
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filed from organizations like ACLU who are putting the feelings
of a man over.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
The rights of a woman.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
And that's why this Trump executive Order is not the
solution that I think a lot of people think it is.
One the courts could overturn it. And two another administration
could come in and undo everything that Trump has done.
And all this executive order does is control the federal
funding that public institutions of education receive under Title nin
(22:20):
There are already a number of states that are saying,
we're not going to comply and we don't need your
federal funding, So we're just going to go and take
the tax dollars at the state level to subsidize what
we would have been getting from the federal dollars.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim our guest, and he is part of
Gays Against Groomers, the wonderful organization, also pairing up with
Xxxy Athletics and the aforementioned Jennifer Say and Protect Kids Colorado.
There appears to be an event coming up on Wednesday.
I'm looking at the website here, Protect Kids Colorado. Rich, Wednesday,
(22:52):
February nineteenth, six thirty to eight thirty pm. Can you
tell us a little bit more about that.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Yeah, that's our kickoff event, going to start raising funds
to put a ballot initiative forward, because, as I said,
ultimately these types of issues are states rights issues, and
a majority of the girls who play in sports aren't
in title mind covered programs. They're in private associations, they're
in private leagues and in.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Clubs like that.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
They need to be protected as well. And so what
we're going to do is we're going to start raising funds.
Just printing costs alone is about ten thousand dollars. And
when I tried this ballad initiative last year, one Colorado
raised quarter of a million dollars to try and defeat us,
saying it was anti trans and so we have to
go up against this. And our goal is to protect
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all girls in Colorado. All female athletes in Colorado deserve
a safe, fair place to compete. So we're having a
fundraiser on Wednesday, the nineteenth to start the process off
to make sure that that's exactly what female athletes have,
it's a safe fair place to compete in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
The initiative is called Save Girls' Sports Noble Effort and
heading that up as doctor Rich Guggenheim of Gays against
Groomers again on X at fifty to eighty based Homo,
and you're talking about the cracks in the veneer of
this executive order, and it makes perfect sense to me
that there's only the purse strings of federal funding that
President Trump has access to or control over. It would
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take a literal act of Congress, and that day may
be coming to pass a law that President Trump can
sign that would have that affect nationwide. Now we know
that the NCAA is already acceded to President Trump's executive order,
but there are other organizations, including CHASSA I might add
here in Colorado that have not agreed to adhere to
it wholesale. The other way to do it, like you
(24:41):
are trying to do, and I think it's the smart
way to go rich is through ballot initiative, because.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I'm trying to kind of ballpark it.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Although I believe it's an eighty twenty issue at least,
and I might be on the low end there in
a Colorado General Assembly dominated by leftist Democrats, I don't
know that legislation could get through there along these lines,
or that it would be signed into law by Governor Polis.
So I'm assuming and anticipating that you are looking down
the road and thinking that's not going to happen. And
(25:10):
so we need a ballot initiative to put before the
voters of Colorado so we can decide on it.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
And let's be clear. This also tells you how out
of touch the elected and the appointed Democrats and the
legislature are when sixty three percent a New York Times
poll show that sixty three percent of Democrats say that
they do not believe that men belong in women's sports.
So these elected and appointed officials at the Capitol are
(25:38):
out of touch with their own voters and they're pushing
an agenda that doesn't align with their base.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Finally, Rich, as you pursue this initiative, there's a lot
of groundwork that has to happen. You have this launch
event coming up on Wednesday, but you're going to need
boots on the ground. You need funds to supplant and
put these initiatives, these ballot measures, and get those signatures
and get that number up.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
What is the deadline on that and what is.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Your plan to acquire all the signatures necessary to get
this on the ballot.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
We're going to work really hard.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
This is going to be a volunteer effort, and once
it gets through, we're going to have six months to
gather roughly two hundred and fifty thousand signatures and we
can do that because we only had eighty days last
year when we did this, and in that eighty days
we gathered eighty thousand signatures. So we know that it's
a completely painable goal with the volunteers. And I know
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that this resonates across the political spectrum because we had
everybody from across the political spectrum coming together to support
this initiative.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Final question, Rich, I know you get this a lot,
and you and I have talked about this too, about
the incoming heat that you take.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You were trying to get inside a bar.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
They were going to ban you because of maga attire
and they associated with you with that and you were
excluded from it. And I know that there's going to
be a faction of the LGBTQ movement writ large and
the transportion of that that's going to accuse you, like
you just said earlier, of being anti trans. What would
your message be then for the humanization of trans people,
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that they would have their own spaces, that they would
be having the ability to access opportunities to compete in
athletics and to be treated with dignity and on a
level playing field. What would be your words to them?
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Well, I mean just today that same bar, buddies call
me out again, same that I'm dehumanizing and belittling other people. Well,
let me just be clear what this is about is
these are men with some sort of mental disorders who
are belittling and dehumanizing women. And women deserve the same
rights and freedoms and privileges as everybody else, but not
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at the expense of men. So if these transgender athletes
want a place to compete, they can play in their
biological sex or they can have their own leak, and
they've been offered that option many times, but they don't
want it because they want to subjugate women.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Clearly put at fifty two to eighty based. Homo was
where you can find him on X kind of a
tongue in cheek handle there. He's a very funny guy too.
I enjoy his posts, and especially that one that I mentioned.
He was with vldemar Archiletta mutual friend outside that bar.
But keep up this fight. You are on the right side, Rich.
I think you know that, deeping your heart of hearts,
and just know that there's an entire audience here, my
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radio listeners that agree with you and support what you're doing.
A continued success to you, and we'll catch up with
you when you get a few more signatures for that.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
Thank you, have a great weekend, all.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Right, Doctor Rich Guggenheim, Joining us there from gaze against groomers,
protecting girls in women's sports and spaces, and looking to
take that extra step with this ballot initiative here in Colorado, where,
for whatever reason, it's a much steeper uphill.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Climb to get this enacted and in action.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
We'll take this time out, We'll come back one more
edition of Trump's Hot Takes and your Texts at five seven, seven,
three nine. A very busy edition of Ryan Schuling Live
wraps up after these words. It's time once again for
another edition of Trump's Hot Takes, turning the forty seventh
(29:08):
president's epic interactions with a fake news media.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
Talking about what wait wait, wait, are you whis who
you're talking you're talking about with regard to all of
the investigations that are going on about the stupidity. What
we're going to do is tomorrow I'm having a news conference.
I'm going to read to you some of the names
that hundreds of millions and even billions of dollars have
been given to And if you tell me that we
should be giving money to those things, those entities, I
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think you'll probably have to leave as a reporter because
you're not very talented.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
When you look at the.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Kind of money, billions and billions of dollars being thrown
away illegally, and there's no chance, I'm going to say
it in front of our our Attorney general, there's no
chance that there's not kickbacks or something going on. When
you give millions and millions of dollars to somebody that
stands to look at something for fifteen and walks away
(30:01):
with millions of dollars, that money's coming back in some form,
and that's only one form of corruption.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Then you should probably quit being a reporter because you're
not very talented.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And he's absolutely right on the points he's making.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
By the way, you don't hear the Democrats, for all
their stomping and yelling and screaming and name calling and
threats and all of that, you don't hear them denying
any of these ridiculous allocated expenses.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
And why is it only Democrats that are coming out
of the woodwork absolutely pitching a fit like children.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
About this doze?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Finding investigation process of vetting and accounting for every dollar
because they know that the jig is up, their racket
is coming to an end. And that's how they make
money and that's how they got rich. And it wasn't
just Democrats, but a vast majority are and work. Let's
get some tax five seven seven three nine. Why isn't
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that Jeff co teacher in jail? Great question talking about
the Columbine High School teacher who groomed the young woman,
had the assistance of two counselors and a principal in
falsifying a report and documentation that the student was homeless
so she could move in with the female teacher and
then absconded to California. She was stripped of her teaching license.
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But yeah, to the texter's point, I don't know about
criminal charges at all, and now she's in California. You
might as well go to the Land of fruits and
nuts at that point, because you know you're not gonna
be charged with anything. Eric, I love this guy, he says.
You know, counselwoman Danielle Jerinsky would kick ass if she
was on or near this case. Oh wow, Eric, are
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you referring to what I was discussing with Rich Guggenheim,
the Giese against groomers and protecting girls and women's sports
and spaces.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Danielle Jerinsky is fierce.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I would not want to be caught crossways with her,
and luckily she and I agree on virtually everything, So WHOA,
I guess I'm okay and the clear on that one.
But yeah, do not cross her or people that she
cares about. If you've ever heard her speak about Cindy
Romero and the absolute yeoman's work that Danielle did that
John Fabrica Tory did in making sure that Cindy's story
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was heard. Cindy and Ed Romero, who I now know
personally and they're wonderful people. Otherwise they were being dismissed
and just cut off into the mist basically, but daniel
Jorensky made sure that their story was told and that
it was heard.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Let's go to this one, Kimberly.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I doubt anyone will agree nor care to research it,
but the log Cabin Republicans are committed to the extinction
of people like me, so I cannot and will not
support them in any way. Kimberly, of course, is a
trans woman, and this is leading me to kind of
a final point on the show.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Trans people exist.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Trans people are human, and they deserve to be treated
with dignity and respect and love and caring, and I
think should be afforded the opportunity to live their lives
in true libertarian.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Fashion as American citizens and to not have to hide
in the shadows.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
I agree with all of that, and a person like Kimberly,
a person like my friend Sarah Higden.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
There was another on Twitter who I've interviewed, and this
is the way is.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Having those conversations. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar.
I know, why would you want to attract flies, but
you get My point is that Kimberly has constructive conversations.
I'm the regular with me and we don't agree on everything,
but I do agree that I want there to be
some form of compromise and accommodation for trans people to
have their own spaces, to have that respected. I fully
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support third spaces, gender neutral restrooms, gender neutral changing station showers,
everything like that so that trans people can feel accommodated.
It's such a small percentage of the population that it
shouldn't take much. It could be like one stall even
at a time I would think, generally speaking, in most locales,
that would be enough to accommodate. I cannot though. Across
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that line. This is where I align with Rich Guggenheim.
Little girls should not have to endure being exposed to
intact males, if that makes sense. That's a big red
line for me personally. One other note here, because I
think a previous Texter brought this up, or is it Ryan?
(34:25):
Try to find the video with the purple haired pearly girl. Well,
before we get too far, the Wooster mass is now
a trans sanctuary city, and maybe they were scared by this.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
If you say, then you're afraid of Trump and that's
why you don't want city to be in the city
to be a space, save space for trans people, you
better prepare for trans people to make this a very
unsaved space.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
What does that mean? First of all? Secondly, I'm confused.
This person, in my view, and I could be wrong,
but I think I'm right. Presents as a female person,
sounds like a female person, looks like a female person,
dresses like a female person, but claims to be a
trans person. And I'm not seeing where the trans is.
I'm not trying to make light of the whole city.
But I mean it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Purple hair, pearls, etc.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But this threat of violence and the shouting and screaming
and the anger at these meetings, I'm telling you that's
not good for trans individuals like Kimberly and like Sarah Higdon.
You got to find a way to build a bridge
and to win people's affections, hearts and minds, and you
don't do that by browbeating them and threatening them.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
That's not the right way, I think.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Shallow hell, there's a character in there that does a
very good job of painting that picture that I just stated.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Dan Kaplis is next more tomorrow.
Sean Boyd uncovered documents the show's school officials helped an
underage student declare herself homeless so she could move in
with a teacher. Sean Boyd joined us Now to talk
more honest to Sean, she was not homeless, no.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And the school district admits that those involved knew that,
yet they helped a student fill out a federal form
that said she was homeless, then hid it from her
parents so she could move in with a teacher. And
that's just the beginning. There's like this icky feeling that
something's wrong, and then as it progressed, it only got worse.
(00:37):
Heather McCormick says there were red flags at Columbine High
School long before the school district hired investigators who found
teacher Leanne Karney had been grooming a female student. Cormick
is friends with that student's mother, and there wasn't one
person who stood up and was like, something doesn't seem
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right and reached out to the parents instead. School emails
obtained through an open records request show counselors purposefully kept
the parents in the dark while they helped their daughter
fill out a federal form declaring herself homeless. So she
could move in with a teacher. I think it's really
scary that we can take teenagers or children of any
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age and just say whatever you say is truth. We're
not going to investigate it. We're going to take big
steps to declare you homeless without notifying your family, Investigators
say principal Scott Christie also knew about the girl's plans
and didn't tell her parents. McCormick says the mom stumbled
upon the homeless document while cleaning her daughter's room and
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later found a letter describing her daughter kissing Carney, along
with thousands of calls and texts between the two. She
says she sent Carne a message warning her it needed
to stop, and then took the calls and text to
the principal, who, she says, dismiss them, telling her miss
Carney takes interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality. Do
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you think the school would have reacted differently had Carney
been a male teacher?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Absolutely, Carne quit, but it would take two years and
pressure from the mom before she lost her teaching license.
McCormick says her friend lost far more. When her daughter
turned eighteen, she moved out of state with the teacher.
It's really scary to think that there are schools and
teachers and administrations that are working behind your back, not
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in the best interest of your child. Jeffo's School district
sent me a statement saying, obviously the student did not
meet the criteria to be considered homeless, and the staff
involved in this isolated incident were addressed as part of
the investigation as the proper channels in place were not followed.
While we have taken every step to remove this former
employee from jeff Co and prevent her working in another
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educational setting, we recognize this is of little comfort to
the family. We deeply regret help profoundly this violation has
affected the family, and the district also says it's changed
policies to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That's not enough. That doesn't unring this bell. That doesn't
undo the damage done to this young girl, who was
a girl, a minor. This abuse, this predatory behavior by
a female teacher in the Columbine School District was empowered
and enabled by counselors at that school who willfully and
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knowingly subverted the authority of the parents of this child,
kept them in the dark, filled out falsified paperwork indicating
that this young female student was homeless, then enabling that
student to move in with this teacher. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
No, Dan Caplis, But there's got to be some legal
recourse or remedy for this family that, as you heard
in this wonderful reporting by Sean Boyd CBS FO Colorado,
that young girl ended up, which she turned eighteen, moving
out to California with this crazy, abusive, predatory teacher. And
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we're just supposed to react like, well, sorry about that.
All's well, that ends. Well, we change your policy so
it won't happen again. Sorry it happened to you. I
don't know about these parents, but Columbine High School's lucky.
I'm not that child's dad, because we'd be going to court.
Baby high stakes poker.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Let's go. This is infuriating and it should be.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
And this is not an isolated incident, as we've revealed
throughout the last hour. And one of the people on
the forefront that is helping expose all of this and
is finally getting some national traction and coverage is Lindsey
Dadco and she's the founder of Jeffco Kids first, and
of course she may have heard about all of this
first on this program, as she's a regular guest, we
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always appreciate her time. She joined us now on Ryan
Schuling Live, Lindsay, welcome back.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Hey Ryan.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That kind of a big day, huh.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, big day after two and a half years of
helping this broken.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Mother and family try to get some accountability, and it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Look like that's really happened here.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I listened
to that story as presented by Sean Boyd, But I
don't see any remedy for this family, for these parents,
do you?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Absolutely not?
Speaker 7 (05:35):
And it was us who ultimately.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Made sure the license of this teacher was revoked. After
this teacher had the ability to step into a classroom
with an active license, and after around two years, we
finally reached out to the state Commissioner of Education, who
looked into it and then revoked the license. And the
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question is why didn't Jeff ho she to it that
that license was revoked immediately, And knowing that the chief
of legal worked for the Colorado Department of Education certainly
had more connections than we did, why was that.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
License not revoked?
Speaker 6 (06:17):
And That's what launched the story with CBS is that
the recent revocation of the license signed by the Attorney
General excited grooming after their investigation, and that allowed Seawan
Boyd to take the evidence and the documentation and open
up this story.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Jeffco Kids First dot com you can find out more
online there.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's founder Lindsay dtco with us.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
This seems to be a problematic trend, to put it
mildly by Jeffco Public Schools. Lindsay in that they are
completely reactive, if that, and certainly not proactive.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
About any of this.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
About getting in front of a bad news story like
we talked about with David Weiss in our number one
or like we talked about you and I right here
with Imagine k Ewer. I mean, these are just three examples,
but there are three of many. How many similar type cases?
I know you've been digging on these, but how many
cases of this, whether it be grooming or sexual abuse
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or anything along those lines, have you been able to
identify happening in Jeffco Public schools?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
You hit the nail on the head, and I have
sat across from district leaders and said, we are tired
of the reactive response. We want proactivity. These are earth
shattering situations to families and we want to know what's
going to be done to prevent and not just respond.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
And in my letter that I wrote, I outlined eight
specific incidents.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
With another paragraph talking about others with separation agreements that
we have found. So there are multiple that we have
queer documentation for and it's been taken nationally today. In
my letter as it's so disturbing, I saw one person.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Say I could only get to number three because I
was so nauseous.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
And these aren't just one off in Jefferson County. There
is a pattern here that reveals a problem with the culture,
a problem with policy, a problem with reporting, as we've
talked about, and it needs to be hit head on,
and we need to stop hearing these bureaucratic responses.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Lindsay Denko our guest, and she is a parent in
Jeffco Public schools. I always try to take this to
its logical conclusion. Lindsay and I can't get there. We
can apply external pressure on a show like this with
Sean Boyd's reporting at CBS four with Chaia Raicheck and
libs of TikTok shining.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Daylight on this over and over.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
You can bring it up as a concern Parrot through
Jeffco kids first, but where is the impetus for change?
When does maybe the legal system get involved and jeff
Co Schools is put on blast and held accountable and
forced to change.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
When is that tipping point? Is there? One?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (09:12):
And my letter was sent to the Attorney General's office
and we did receive.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
A response for a phone call.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
We're looking forward to that and we you know, they
respond and say, we don't usually get involved.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
In local school districts, and our response back was this
is not normal. It has to be a different course
has to be taken here. You need to pay attention and.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
We appreciate their ear and hope that maybe that's our
next step for accountability. But those employees who signed that
paperwork falsified federal documents.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
And they should not be employed in jeff Cost Schools.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And that takes me to this next question.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Lindsey, a very astute one from listener kimberly asked, Okay,
so they fired the teacher, got our license removed, but
what about the counselors and the print are they still
acting and in their current positions. You're telling me the
answer is yes.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
The answer is yes, And.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Just a couple of weeks ago, they have active voicemails,
they're on the school website, and the McKinney Ventel liaison
who signed the facilitated and signed the paperwork.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I believe she just facilitated it.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
If you look into McKenny Vento Homeless Act, this child
certainly did not fit their definition of homelessness or and
they did not follow local policy which even says if
a parent disputes the fact that a child is homeless,
there's an entire process that has.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
To be followed. But they couldn't even do that because
they had no awareness. And so this is very serious.
Just a talking to, which.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Is what the district indicates is these people continue in
their positions is not sufficient and they should be removed.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
It's completely unacceptable. I can't believe more. Parents in jeff
Cos schools, specifically at Columbine, are entirely outraged and calling
for the removal, the resignation, or the firing of these
people involved that were actively participating in the aiding and
bedding of corrupting a minor and declaring her falsely as
homeless so she could live with the female teacher. Lindsay,
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I'm speaking these words. I can't even believe them as
they're coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
It's incredible, I know. And I want to clarify Ryan
that these parents they found the note.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah about kiss about kissing between the teacher and the student,
as well as tracked her on Life three sixty at
the teacher's home, and it was right then they texted
a teacher and said, do not contact my daughter. And
they went immediately to the sheriff's department. That's not something
that was reported, but they went immediately and the sheriff
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told them document everything. The very next day they went
to the principle and then they heard she was going
to be moving.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
In with this teacher.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
They held a.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Two hour meeting with the supple who said he.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Was aware of the text messages in that meeting and
when the parents said, was that not a red flag,
that's when he said the words, she is passionate about
helping kids navigate their sexuality.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
And it was the next day they found the homeless
paper work under her.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Bed, and soon after she turned.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Eighteen, and we're talking about a small window of time.
These parents did everything they could before their daughter was
swept away from them. They attended her graduation with family
in town, but never were able to have face to
face and never got pictures with their daughter graduating. They
watched from afar and this is a tragic, heartbreaking story
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with parents who did everything they could.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Lindsay dcho joining us jeff co Kids first, So let
me get this accurate. They empowered a sexual predator with
the explanation that this sexual predator, and that's who she
is and that's what she is, was helping the student
navigate her sexuality.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
That's exactly the words that the parents report and show
up in the investigations that the principle used.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I'm sorry in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yes, Now, let me ask you this question, because they
were not featured in the package that Sean Boyd reported on.
I think it was a friend of the family. But
do you know these parents personally? Have you had conversations
with them and what is their state of mind right now?
What is their next course of action if any?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I have connected with them over the last two and
a half years and helped them through this until we
were able to get enough documentation.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
I've met with them in person, talked with them daily.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
They have preceived documentation. They feel they lost their daughter,
but who remains in California where that teacher also remains.
And the only solace that the mother has is to
ensure that this does.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Not happen happen to any other child.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
And that's where her fight has been focused. She can't
sleep at night knowing these employees signed that paperwork and
it could happen.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
To another child.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
And I'll tell you two days ago, Ryan, this.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Mother just finished radiation for breast cancer and the next
day Sean boyd airs the story.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
So it's been a good week.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
It hasn't brought the accountability yet that we're seeking, but
it is a good week and we do see it
taking hold in the community and even nationally.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yes, Lindsay Datko Jeff co Kids. First, very important segment here.
This is a culture of indoctrination, of grooming and really
of a so called pillar of the community, Lindsey, And
we keep hearing that term, and you voice that in
a story I aired earlier in the first hour about
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blurring these lines between the family and the school, and
then saying that the school is a family, and that
they are going to insert themselves the audacity of this
to look out for what's best for the kids because
they know better than the parents, and it's very much
in the interest of protecting the child that the parents
not know about it. In what universe is that healthy
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behavior by a school district?
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Exactly?
Speaker 6 (15:19):
And I'm a teacher by a profession, Ryan not currently,
But there's a lot that teachers often talk about called
in loco parentis and that basically means that you're going
to protect a child as a parent.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Would, but it does not mean that you become the parent.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
And that's unfortunately what we are seeing in our schools today,
and it is a dangerous practice that is.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Dividing families, and when the families are.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Divided, that divides the society and.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Weakens our society in ways that nothing else will.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Lindsey, I heard Heidiganall refer to a meeting schedule in
four this evening. I believe it's at five pm in
Golden Can you tell us more about that and what's
supposed to happen at that meeting.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yes, they have been talking about this board meeting as
the meeting where they will reveal all of the.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Practices that they are going to improve.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
In Jeffco schools based on the Chief of Schools who
was caught with child's pornography before committing suicide, and the
many other news stories on sexual abuse in Jeffco schools.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
And they're talking about council.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Summits trainings, improving their background tech processes, and that is
supposed to take place tonight at five pm at eighteen
twenty nine Denver West Boulevard in Golden which is then
ed Center and tonight we'll see exactly how much clarity
they provide for the community on what is exactly and
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how much responsibility they take for the gaps that are
occurring in Jefferson County.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Can only imagine how that's going to go.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
This Texter asks, when are the parents going to stand
up and say enough do something. Well, lindsay, we know
that you are and I've done my level best on
this program to give you that platform so that other
parents who might be in a similar scenario as this
tragedy we witnessed at Columbine High School could know that
they're not alone, that they can pool resources and notes
and information and observations at Jeffco Kids first, But what
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would your advice be to a parent who has children
in the Jeffcoe Public School District right now? They've got questions,
they've got issues, they've got concerns. Upon hearing about all
of this, what should they do?
Speaker 6 (17:29):
They have to be completely aware of everything that's going
on in their child's classrooms. The more local you go,
the more you protect your child. And that's their child's classroom.
They have to read communications, They have to be completely
involved and aware and fight their individual battles. I'm a
big believer that if everybody fights their individual battles and
(17:50):
takes a stand, that will make a difference and craft
the foundation that is so weak.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
And we at Jeffco kids first are.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Taking on the whole system through a strong network and together.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I believe that's what's going to push for change.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
People need to show up these meetings, write letters to
the board, and every bit of action that they can
possibly take, focusing on their child and what's happening.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Go tonight if you are a parent in that school district,
Golden and that address.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
One more time, Lindsay for the meeting.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Eighteen twenty nine Denver West Boulevard in Golden.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Follow her on ex at l dat COO. That's Datko.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
She's been on the front lines of this for a
long time before these stories even made national headlines, and
now thankfully they are. Jeffco Schools needs a total ReVibe rebuild,
and Lindsey you are central to that cause. Thank you
so much for your time, for all that you do,
and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yes, thank you so much, Brian, Lindsay.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Dako joining us there five seven seven three nine is
the text line. Joining us next, Doctor Rich Guggenheim making
an effort through an initiate to protect girls and women's
sports and spaces here in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
After this, I'm Ryan Schuling live.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
With my action this afternoon. We're putting every school receiving
taxpayer dollars on notice that if you let men take
over women's sports teams or invade your locker rooms, you
will be investigated for violations of Title nine and risk
you your federal funding.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
There will be no federal farder.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
So this will effectively end the attack on female athletes
at public K twelve schools and virtually all US colleges
and universities.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That was a week ago, and in the meantime we've
spoken with Jennifer Say, who was there founder of XXXY
Athletics and a tremendous voice for girls and women's sports
and spaces, protecting them through Title nine and those protections
that are offered dating back fifty years. We also spoke
with Kim Russell and her harrowing tale of being sidelined
(20:08):
as the Oberlin College lacrosse coach simply because she believed
in the same and now she's the head coach of
the US Virgin Islands National A lacrosse team and a
big part of this movement as well. She was there
in attendance for this signing of the executive order. But
a part of this conversation that I look forward to
having is with my good friend doctor Rich Guggenheim, and
(20:30):
you can follow him on x at.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Fifty two eighty based Homo.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's the handle and something that he is trying to
fill in the gaps with is protecting girls' sports. And
we'll get more into the specifics of it. But at
the state and local level, where maybe what President Trump
signed as an executive order may not come into play.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
We at private clubs, etc. That might not be under.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
The jurisdiction of this executive Order, he joins us now
on Ryan Schuling Live Rich.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Welcome back, Thanks Ran, good to be with you.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Always great to hear from you. And this is such
a great and noble cause and a necessary one. Unfortunately,
because we've seen now just in this last week, there
are challenges to this executive order coming from specifically trans
athletes in specific blue states I've noticed as well. Just
bring us up to date on the week that has
transpired since and whether there are similar such efforts here
(21:24):
in Colorado going on.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Oh, yes, you're right, these trans athletes, and let's just
be honest, the trans woman is a man. They are mad,
and they're mad because these men are being told they
aren't going to be allowed to invade women's spaces and
appropriate their rights. So this is where it's going to happen.
This is where we're at currently, and I think the
Trump administration has prepared for this. We're seeing the litigation
(21:50):
filed from organizations like ACLU who are putting the feelings
of a man over.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
The rights of a woman.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
And that's why this Trump executive Order is not the
solution that I think a lot of people think it is.
One the courts could overturn it. And two another administration
could come in and undo everything that Trump has done.
And all this executive order does is control the federal
funding that public institutions of education receive under Title nin
(22:20):
There are already a number of states that are saying,
we're not going to comply and we don't need your
federal funding, So we're just going to go and take
the tax dollars at the state level to subsidize what
we would have been getting from the federal dollars.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Doctor Rich Guggenheim our guest, and he is part of
Gays Against Groomers, the wonderful organization, also pairing up with
Xxxy Athletics and the aforementioned Jennifer Say and Protect Kids Colorado.
There appears to be an event coming up on Wednesday.
I'm looking at the website here, Protect Kids Colorado. Rich, Wednesday,
(22:52):
February nineteenth, six thirty to eight thirty pm. Can you
tell us a little bit more about that.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Yeah, that's our kickoff event, going to start raising funds
to put a ballot initiative forward, because, as I said,
ultimately these types of issues are states rights issues, and
a majority of the girls who play in sports aren't
in title mind covered programs. They're in private associations, they're
in private leagues and in.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Clubs like that.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
They need to be protected as well. And so what
we're going to do is we're going to start raising funds.
Just printing costs alone is about ten thousand dollars. And
when I tried this ballad initiative last year, one Colorado
raised quarter of a million dollars to try and defeat us,
saying it was anti trans and so we have to
go up against this. And our goal is to protect
(23:40):
all girls in Colorado. All female athletes in Colorado deserve
a safe, fair place to compete. So we're having a
fundraiser on Wednesday, the nineteenth to start the process off
to make sure that that's exactly what female athletes have,
it's a safe fair place to compete in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
The initiative is called Save Girls' Sports Noble Effort and
heading that up as doctor Rich Guggenheim of Gays against
Groomers again on X at fifty to eighty based Homo,
and you're talking about the cracks in the veneer of
this executive order, and it makes perfect sense to me
that there's only the purse strings of federal funding that
President Trump has access to or control over. It would
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take a literal act of Congress, and that day may
be coming to pass a law that President Trump can
sign that would have that affect nationwide. Now we know
that the NCAA is already acceded to President Trump's executive order,
but there are other organizations, including CHASSA I might add
here in Colorado that have not agreed to adhere to
it wholesale. The other way to do it, like you
(24:41):
are trying to do, and I think it's the smart
way to go rich is through ballot initiative, because.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I'm trying to kind of ballpark it.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Although I believe it's an eighty twenty issue at least,
and I might be on the low end there in
a Colorado General Assembly dominated by leftist Democrats, I don't
know that legislation could get through there along these lines,
or that it would be signed into law by Governor Polis.
So I'm assuming and anticipating that you are looking down
the road and thinking that's not going to happen. And
(25:10):
so we need a ballot initiative to put before the
voters of Colorado so we can decide on it.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
And let's be clear. This also tells you how out
of touch the elected and the appointed Democrats and the
legislature are when sixty three percent a New York Times
poll show that sixty three percent of Democrats say that
they do not believe that men belong in women's sports.
So these elected and appointed officials at the Capitol are
(25:38):
out of touch with their own voters and they're pushing
an agenda that doesn't align with their base.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Finally, Rich, as you pursue this initiative, there's a lot
of groundwork that has to happen. You have this launch
event coming up on Wednesday, but you're going to need
boots on the ground. You need funds to supplant and
put these initiatives, these ballot measures, and get those signatures
and get that number up.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
What is the deadline on that and what is.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Your plan to acquire all the signatures necessary to get
this on the ballot.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
We're going to work really hard.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
This is going to be a volunteer effort, and once
it gets through, we're going to have six months to
gather roughly two hundred and fifty thousand signatures and we
can do that because we only had eighty days last
year when we did this, and in that eighty days
we gathered eighty thousand signatures. So we know that it's
a completely painable goal with the volunteers. And I know
(26:30):
that this resonates across the political spectrum because we had
everybody from across the political spectrum coming together to support
this initiative.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Final question, Rich, I know you get this a lot,
and you and I have talked about this too, about
the incoming heat that you take.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You were trying to get inside a bar.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
They were going to ban you because of maga attire
and they associated with you with that and you were
excluded from it. And I know that there's going to
be a faction of the LGBTQ movement writ large and
the transportion of that that's going to accuse you, like
you just said earlier, of being anti trans. What would
your message be then for the humanization of trans people,
(27:09):
that they would have their own spaces, that they would
be having the ability to access opportunities to compete in
athletics and to be treated with dignity and on a
level playing field. What would be your words to them?
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Well, I mean just today that same bar, buddies call
me out again, same that I'm dehumanizing and belittling other people. Well,
let me just be clear what this is about is
these are men with some sort of mental disorders who
are belittling and dehumanizing women. And women deserve the same
rights and freedoms and privileges as everybody else, but not
(27:43):
at the expense of men. So if these transgender athletes
want a place to compete, they can play in their
biological sex or they can have their own leak, and
they've been offered that option many times, but they don't
want it because they want to subjugate women.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Clearly put at fifty two to eighty based. Homo was
where you can find him on X kind of a
tongue in cheek handle there. He's a very funny guy too.
I enjoy his posts, and especially that one that I mentioned.
He was with vldemar Archiletta mutual friend outside that bar.
But keep up this fight. You are on the right side, Rich.
I think you know that, deeping your heart of hearts,
and just know that there's an entire audience here, my
(28:21):
radio listeners that agree with you and support what you're doing.
A continued success to you, and we'll catch up with
you when you get a few more signatures for that.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
Thank you, have a great weekend, all.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Right, Doctor Rich Guggenheim, Joining us there from gaze against groomers,
protecting girls in women's sports and spaces, and looking to
take that extra step with this ballot initiative here in Colorado, where,
for whatever reason, it's a much steeper uphill.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Climb to get this enacted and in action.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
We'll take this time out, We'll come back one more
edition of Trump's Hot Takes and your Texts at five seven, seven,
three nine. A very busy edition of Ryan Schuling Live
wraps up after these words. It's time once again for
another edition of Trump's Hot Takes, turning the forty seventh
(29:08):
president's epic interactions with a fake news media.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
Talking about what wait wait, wait, are you whis who
you're talking you're talking about with regard to all of
the investigations that are going on about the stupidity. What
we're going to do is tomorrow I'm having a news conference.
I'm going to read to you some of the names
that hundreds of millions and even billions of dollars have
been given to And if you tell me that we
should be giving money to those things, those entities, I
(29:35):
think you'll probably have to leave as a reporter because
you're not very talented.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
When you look at the.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Kind of money, billions and billions of dollars being thrown
away illegally, and there's no chance, I'm going to say
it in front of our our Attorney general, there's no
chance that there's not kickbacks or something going on. When
you give millions and millions of dollars to somebody that
stands to look at something for fifteen and walks away
(30:01):
with millions of dollars, that money's coming back in some form,
and that's only one form of corruption.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Then you should probably quit being a reporter because you're
not very talented.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And he's absolutely right on the points he's making.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
By the way, you don't hear the Democrats, for all
their stomping and yelling and screaming and name calling and
threats and all of that, you don't hear them denying
any of these ridiculous allocated expenses.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
And why is it only Democrats that are coming out
of the woodwork absolutely pitching a fit like children.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
About this doze?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Finding investigation process of vetting and accounting for every dollar
because they know that the jig is up, their racket
is coming to an end. And that's how they make
money and that's how they got rich. And it wasn't
just Democrats, but a vast majority are and work. Let's
get some tax five seven seven three nine. Why isn't
(31:05):
that Jeff co teacher in jail? Great question talking about
the Columbine High School teacher who groomed the young woman,
had the assistance of two counselors and a principal in
falsifying a report and documentation that the student was homeless
so she could move in with the female teacher and
then absconded to California. She was stripped of her teaching license.
(31:28):
But yeah, to the texter's point, I don't know about
criminal charges at all, and now she's in California. You
might as well go to the Land of fruits and
nuts at that point, because you know you're not gonna
be charged with anything. Eric, I love this guy, he says.
You know, counselwoman Danielle Jerinsky would kick ass if she
was on or near this case. Oh wow, Eric, are
(31:50):
you referring to what I was discussing with Rich Guggenheim,
the Giese against groomers and protecting girls and women's sports
and spaces.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Danielle Jerinsky is fierce.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I would not want to be caught crossways with her,
and luckily she and I agree on virtually everything, So WHOA,
I guess I'm okay and the clear on that one.
But yeah, do not cross her or people that she
cares about. If you've ever heard her speak about Cindy
Romero and the absolute yeoman's work that Danielle did that
John Fabrica Tory did in making sure that Cindy's story
(32:22):
was heard. Cindy and Ed Romero, who I now know
personally and they're wonderful people. Otherwise they were being dismissed
and just cut off into the mist basically, but daniel
Jorensky made sure that their story was told and that
it was heard.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Let's go to this one, Kimberly.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I doubt anyone will agree nor care to research it,
but the log Cabin Republicans are committed to the extinction
of people like me, so I cannot and will not
support them in any way. Kimberly, of course, is a
trans woman, and this is leading me to kind of
a final point on the show.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Trans people exist.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Trans people are human, and they deserve to be treated
with dignity and respect and love and caring, and I
think should be afforded the opportunity to live their lives
in true libertarian.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Fashion as American citizens and to not have to hide
in the shadows.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
I agree with all of that, and a person like Kimberly,
a person like my friend Sarah Higden.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
There was another on Twitter who I've interviewed, and this
is the way is.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Having those conversations. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar.
I know, why would you want to attract flies, but
you get My point is that Kimberly has constructive conversations.
I'm the regular with me and we don't agree on everything,
but I do agree that I want there to be
some form of compromise and accommodation for trans people to
have their own spaces, to have that respected. I fully
(33:45):
support third spaces, gender neutral restrooms, gender neutral changing station showers,
everything like that so that trans people can feel accommodated.
It's such a small percentage of the population that it
shouldn't take much. It could be like one stall even
at a time I would think, generally speaking, in most locales,
that would be enough to accommodate. I cannot though. Across
(34:05):
that line. This is where I align with Rich Guggenheim.
Little girls should not have to endure being exposed to
intact males, if that makes sense. That's a big red
line for me personally. One other note here, because I
think a previous Texter brought this up, or is it Ryan?
(34:25):
Try to find the video with the purple haired pearly girl. Well,
before we get too far, the Wooster mass is now
a trans sanctuary city, and maybe they were scared by this.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
If you say, then you're afraid of Trump and that's
why you don't want city to be in the city
to be a space, save space for trans people, you
better prepare for trans people to make this a very
unsaved space.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
What does that mean? First of all? Secondly, I'm confused.
This person, in my view, and I could be wrong,
but I think I'm right. Presents as a female person,
sounds like a female person, looks like a female person,
dresses like a female person, but claims to be a
trans person. And I'm not seeing where the trans is.
I'm not trying to make light of the whole city.
But I mean it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Purple hair, pearls, etc.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But this threat of violence and the shouting and screaming
and the anger at these meetings, I'm telling you that's
not good for trans individuals like Kimberly and like Sarah Higdon.
You got to find a way to build a bridge
and to win people's affections, hearts and minds, and you
don't do that by browbeating them and threatening them.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
That's not the right way, I think.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Shallow hell, there's a character in there that does a
very good job of painting that picture that I just stated.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Dan Kaplis is next more tomorrow.
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