June 4, 2025 • 35 mins
In the first hour of today's edition of Ryan Schuiling Live, Lora Thomas talks with Ryan about why Douglas County SHOULD NOT vote to become a home-rule county.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I turned to one of our intrepid reporters in
the field. I normally turned to Rob Dawson, but when
Rob Dawson's not available or not on the scene, I
turned to Jimmy Sangenberger, who is the columnist and op
ed writer for the Denver Gazette and occasional go to
fill in host for this program Ryan Schuling Live. He
joins us, Now he got a break from court. All
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I saw was a photo that he sent me of
Mike Lindell, my Pillow founder, and it's outside of a courtroom.
So let's go from there. Jimmy fill us in on
the details. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey, Ryan, this is quite a case. It is called
by Lyndell and his followers the Trial of the Century.
That photo you saw was from yesterday when he was
outside being interviewed by Lyndell TV. But this is one
of the big lawsuits in the claims over election fraud,
where in this case, Lindell and his companies are being
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sued by the former Vice President of Dominion, Eric Coomer
because of claims that had been made basically saying that
Komer was largely responsible in his role for rigging the
elections and so Coomer has brought a number of defamation
lawsuits and this is one of them, and really the
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big one in particularly so because it's the first one,
at least to my knowledge, of this type that has
gotten into court, and particularly with Lyndell, Frank Speech and
My Pillow as descendants.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And it would.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Make sense that Mike Lindell, who earned a small fortune
through my pillow, it's a quality product. You see the
ads all the time on Fox News and maybe write
many right leaning news outlets. But this really did Jimmy
become Mike Lindell's cause celeb. If you would, along with
Tina Peters and others that were adamant that there was
election fraud and that it was provable that they gained
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standing in the courts, they would show the evidence for it.
Take us from there in this story and why Mike
Lindell is willing to certainly financially but almost literally die
on this hill.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I think part of it, just from my advantage point
in following this, since it all began literally since the
first claims about Eric Coomer were made by others back
in November of twenty twenty, is that he got to
a point where the claims were made and he had
to keep going like he was in too deep, and
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so you got to build on that, or at least
there's a feeling of building on that.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I think.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The first lawsuit against Lindell came February or March of
twenty twenty one by Dominion Voting Systems. This was after
Eric Coomer had left the company. And then a couple
months later the election security breach happened with Tina Peters,
and in court one of her lawyers actually told the
judge that this was to gather evidence for Lindell's defense
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in these different defamation cases. Kind of snowballs from there,
and I mean, I really think that there has been
sort of an industry made around this and the allegations
of a stolen election. And that's a conversation we can
have in another time. But when you have these kinds
of incentives and you make claims and you have to
keep sort of either building on those claims or completely
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retract them.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You really have two options.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
One continue to move forward and dig yourself deeper, or
pull back and retract in he chose.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
The former Jimmy Seiningberger joining us live on the scene
from the courthouse where he's gotten a break and he
is reporting for the Denver Gazette, and you note I'll
be writing about this in the near future. You text
me as well, Jimmy final question here very slow moving.
They are only going into witness number two late on
day three. Why is it so slow moving?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I think part of it is a lot of the
foundation that you have to lay for a case like this.
This is a defamation case, which is clear, and there
are certain standards in that. There are clear standards you
have to reach to prove the case to a jury,
and this is in fact a jury trial, and so
when there are a lot of complications and layers and
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facets to this, there's a lot of groundwork you have
to lay. There's also been a lot of objections from
the defense, which of course is Mike Lindell's defense team.
And last night, in fact, they were supposed to go
into cross examination pretty much didn't of the first witness,
which is Eric Hoomer, the plaintiff bringing this case again,
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the former Dominion Vice president. Instead, they got bogged down
in discussion over whether or not certain exhibits should be admitted.
It didn't get to start his cross examination until I
think around ten o'clock this morning, still had ten minutes
of redirect from the plaintiff's legal defense legal team after lunch,
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and then brought out Matt Crane, the executive director of
the County Clerk's Association who's currently testifying. And then following
that will be Joe Opman, who really got the ball
rolling with claims in November of twenty twenty about Eric
Komer that snowballed into what we see now with the
various claims legal proceedings that Coomer's brought in these lassites.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Eric Coomer, the former official for Dominion Voting Systems, with
the defamation laws suit targeting Mike Lindell in this trial
going on right here in Denver. Jimmy Sengenberger on the
spot covering it in real time, and you can follow
him in real time on x at sang Center seng
cnt e Er Jimmy Sangenberger, our guest, Jimmy will let
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you get back to it and we'll look forward to
more on this story as it develops.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Thank you, Ryan, appreciate it, brother, all.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, starting the conversation right there five seven, seven, three
nine and joining me live in studio. She is the
host of the Humanity Against Tyranny podcasts, which records most
Wednesday nights right here in this very studio. Yours truly
alongside are for the ride, and PK will be recording
another episode tonight.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We'll get to those details in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But BK, I know this is an issue that you've
done a lot of research about yourself, and I just
want to get your thoughts as to what is going
on with this lawsuit defamation. Mike Lindell stands to lose
a lot of money, a lot of money that he
built with the MyPillow Empire.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, Patrick Burn also was in on this too. That's
another name people need to look at. And so you're
looking at Tina Peters, Mike Lindell, Patrick Burn. Since this
whole thing started, and President Trump himself even has said
that election was fraudulent many times and if he did
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not have the proof, he wouldn't say it. They got
the proof, and Tina Peters on behalf of her she
didn't get to even give her side of the story.
She had judges and district attorneys that are a lot
like what you're seeing. The Daniells screaming against on the
illegal situation.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, so she.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Didn't get to even give her defense. They just did
it and cut it off and that was it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, a lot of people, including Tina Peters and our
legal team claimed that she was a scapegoaded steamrolled made
an example of that. If it was person X, then
maybe there wouldn't have been a severe of a sentence,
and she is currently serving hard time.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
There have been a lot of calls for some.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Form of legal relief, but as needs to be noted,
President Trump can't offer a pardon for Tina because these
were state level charges, not federal.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So exactly that's where that.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Stands, and with Mike Lindell will continue to follow that
in real time your thoughts at five seven, seven, three nine,
We're gonna run the gamut here of PK in studio
and our next topic really needs no introduction, but it's
who can out grift the other. We saw Alex Thompson
of Axios, Jake Tapper of CNN writing a book about
the Biden Whitehouse. Behind the scenes, he's actually flying off
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of tall buildings in a single bound Joe Biden. But
we knew that wasn't true, and we knew that in
real time, we could see it with our own eyes.
If you had a functional brain in all of you
do because you're listening to this show, you knew that
Joe Biden was senile, that he was suffering in the
throes of dementia. Those that have a family member who
has had dementia know that that is what we were
witnessing before our very eyes. But the media was fooled
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because the Biden administration was lying to them and who
was front and center lying the most, providing the veneer,
the facade, the cover for Joe Biden himself. How about
White House Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre, Well, guess what.
She dropped this bombshell today on Instagram.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Hi am Hi, I'm Karine Jean Pierre, and I am
the author of a new book that's coming out this
fall called Independent. It's coming out on October twenty first,
so please please do grab it. And the reason I
wrote this book coming out of the White House. You know,
serving as White House pres secretary was an honor and
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a privilege. But since I have left, the people that
come up to me, strangers that come up to me
just across the country, as I'm traveling and sometimes right
in my neighborhood, at our grocery store, supermarket, airport, my
daughter's school. The number one question they asked me is, Kareem,
how do we get.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Out of this?
Speaker 7 (09:09):
How do we protect vulnerable communities among us? What do
we do next? Because we don't have answers here?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
That's what they ask me.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And this is my answer.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
And what I mean by that is in an era
of misinformation, disinformation, the regressiveness of social policy, what we're
seeing currently right now, what I have decided to do,
and I really have thought long and hard about this,
is to follow my own compass. And that's what I've done.
And that's what this book does.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And here's the truth, and here's how I will lay
it out. That's not the truth.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
I think we need to stop thinking in boxes and
think outside of our boxes and not.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Be still partisan.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
And the way that I see moving forward in this
space that we're in right now is if you you
are willing to stand side by side with me, regardless
of your political how you identify politically, and as long
as you respect the community that I belong to and
vulnerable communities that I respect, I will be there with you.
(10:16):
I will move forward with you.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
And that is I think so important.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
So this book independent, It's about looking outside of boxes,
not just always being in a partisan stance, and how
do we move forward together in a compassionate way, in
a way that really truly cares about people.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
October twenty first.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
October twenty first, just in time for Halloween. You scared yet?
How about we review Kareem John Pierre. You saying you're
out there telling the truth?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Now you are?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Are you seriously telling the truth? Is that what this
is all about. Let's go back to July twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
Look, will certainly just continue to call that out. And
the tip fix didn't come for me. I didn't. I
didn't coin that. I didn't come from this White House
or this podium. That came from the media. Oh, they
called the chief fakes and they said this president, President Biden,
was being targeted on misinformation.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It was purposefully being done to this president.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
And what we did is we echoed that. So I
don't regret it at all.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It was just the facts.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
The facts were cheap fakes. That term was disinformation. There
were no cheap fakes. Joe Biden being escorted off stage
caught on video by President Barack Obama, George Clooney's fundraiser,
absolutely happened. Biden did not recognize George Clooney. PK has
never met George Clooney. If PK saw George Clooney in public,
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she would recognize him. And I believe that one. Okay,
so there's cheap fakes out there, there's misinformation, there's disinformation
out there. The Robert Her transcripts, they were unnecessarily mean.
They took advantage of the situation. They inflated and inflamed
the perceptions of Joe Biden is being senile.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So release the Her tapes, right, They did that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
They went ahead and did that because that would have
proven to everybody that look this characterization of Joe Biden.
It was gratuitously saying he was an elderly old man,
friendly but too senile.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
To stand trial. So of course you want to say to.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Give anything the report is flatly wrong, fortuitous.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
You can't say any want them to materially made Publican.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Wouldn't know what I can say.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
It's being they're discussing it, they're looking at it. There's
a process that's involved, and some brials Council couldn't obviously
have taken these questions from all of you, and so
they're looking into it. I just don't have anything further
to say about it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
They're looking into it. Here's what needed to happen.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Joe Biden need to march down, you know, totally competent
and coherent and cognitively aware. Joe Biden need to march
out of what the blank is going on with these tapes.
I was perfectly fine releasing the public right now. You
know who would have done that? DJT, the Orange Man,
Donald Trump, if there had been this narrative out there,
Oh he's senile, he's slipping, he's done. No, go ahead,
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release the tapes. Let them hear, let them see that
for themselves. I'm fine.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Joe Biden didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And we never heard the Herd tapes until Donald Trump's
administration released them.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And then you know what you heard.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
There's a process we're gonna go through, and they just
release the tapes. If Joe Biden says release the tapes,
he's the President of the United States, then you release
the tapes.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
They didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
PK your reaction to the book Independent and Karine jan
Pierre leaving the Democratic Party altogether.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Well, aren't they all now? They're all kind of backsliding
and stepping back. Tapper and all of them going, Oh,
I didn't they lied to us. No, you walked in lockstep.
You said exactly what they wanted you to say about him,
and you kept pushing that he was okay mentally, physically
and emotionally.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
You stood by him, all of you. All of you did.
But when it comes to Donald J.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Trump, I gotta tell you, he would not only say
release the tapes, he'd say, just come and get the person.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Give me the test right now, right in front of everybody.
I'll take my cognitive test right here.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Man, woman, Doug cat television. I got them all. They
say it's the greatest job a president has ever done
on a cognitive test, it was me. And if there
was video of the recordings, let's say Robert hur Or
whoever had sat down with the president and interrogated him.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And again there's this narrative. Oh you see, he's loas
in his mind, he's got dementia. No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I'm sharper than most people twenty years younger than me. Okay,
I'm totally sharp and I want people to see it.
I don't want them just to hear it. I want
them to see how good I look. That's exactly how
that exactly if he would have said.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
And you know the other thing, remember when they said
Biden could beat him on the golf course.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh remember that one. That was the one that bothered
Donald Trump to most.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Come on, come on, bring it on, buddy.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
You know if he was that was I.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Was literally I was watching that with our mutual friend
Mindy and her husband down there, and in real time
you could see Trump was agitated by some of the
stuff Biden was on whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
But when he went to golf and say I'll carry
my own back? Can you do that?
Speaker 6 (15:09):
And Truss like, well, come on, really, all the worst
rind of this whole thing is his wife.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Who would allow a person, if you loved him, to
go through what he went through?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Evil? Pure evil?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Now, God forbid, if your husband was going through what
Joe Biden was going through, p K, I know you'd
be front and center going, honey, it's over.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
He's trying to pack it in. We're gonna take it easy.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You're not gonna do anything stressful and ever again, We're
gonna I'm gonna throw on the brakes here.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
We're going to pull him into the public sphere.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Would you to make a fool of himself right to
trip downstairs to follow his words, to forget right?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
P K STI.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Mark Stevenson, the voice you're hearing the host of the
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this coming right home to Boulder, and just listen to
this guy. These people are so out of touch, they
don't know what.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The hell is going on in our country. Taking an
example is understating it, really.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
You know, the White House almost gloating at Victory Lab
a number of tweets last night about you know, you know,
about this victor, about this suspect's family rushing them out,
you know, And I was told by a White House
advisory late yesterday that you know, this.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Is sort of the plan here.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Is that that we know from covering Donald Trump for
a long time, his reflex is always to come back
to immigration.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
He believes that's the signature issue.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
He believes that's what got him elected, and the Americans want.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
To see things like this. Now in this case, obviously,
you know, we don't know the.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Family's involvement, the suspects accused of a heinous crime. There
are certainly plenty of Americans who would be glad to
see him go, might have questions about the family. Not really,
but they're leaning into this sort of in your face imagery.
Good that didn't necessarily work purpolling earlier, this term deportations,
the Al Salvadore prison alike. Now they're doubling down on
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that sort of public image.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Now, oh my god, Senator Van Holland had a margarita
with kil Mar Abrigo Garcia. It was an absolute backfire politically.
Poll after poll shows that Americans support widely, broadly and
by a majority sixty three percent fifty seven percent, somewhere
around sixty percent, the mass deportation of all illegal aliens,
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not criminal illegal aliens meaning they're here illegally and they
committed another crime. No, you're here illegally, we punt you
to the border. Punt this family to the moon. Either
they knew that this maniac was plotting this attack or
they didn't. And they're here illegally too, So what are
we gonna do, Jonathan Lemere, We're gonna separate families.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
No, we're gonna keep them together.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And they're all leaving because he doesn't get to have
anchor babies and an anchor wife and keep his whole
family here just because he's a degenerate piece of you
know what. No, you're gone by he gone and they're
all gone. And I'm not blinking, I'm not thinking twice
about it. This is what we voted for PK exactly.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And you know, Danielle said it right too, about all
of it, all of this immigration, these crimes, we wouldn't
even be talking about if these people weren't here to
begin with.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
They're illegal, they shouldn't be in this country.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
And you know, everybody forgets about how many of these
illegal aliens caused these horrendous crimes, Caitlin. And then remember
the semi truck driver that killed everybody under I seventy.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Pardon by Polis pretty much this sentence reduced.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Yes, and remember Donnie Young, the cop where they were
brought in Southwest Denver, him and his partner, they go
there for this ruckus and the guy leaves the MS
thirteen gang, he comes back and shoots him in the
back of the head, like execution execution stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Come on, people, there's more than one example, and p
Simark Stevenson hitting upon those. Flora Thomas joins us next
ocrude's home rule in Douglas County right here on Ryan
Schuling Life. But then, George, I want you to respond
to Laura Thomas. She says, the following home rule does
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not allow counties to opt out of state laws. We
don't like immigration, gun control, grocery bag fees. We must
follow all state laws. All home rule allows a county
to do is change the structure, such as extending term limits,
increasing salaries, making some positions appointed as opposed to elected.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
What say you, I.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Say, That's been Laura Thomas's opinion for the last five years,
and she has neither listened to nor has she allowed
the thoughts and the ideas and the facts to change
that opinion. When Lord Thomas was on the Border County
Commissioners with us, she wouldn't even sit still. She wouldn't
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even have a rational conversation about home rule. She started
now just like that, neighbor with the Black Lives Matter
sign and she never left no and I get it.
She she what you just said, and I'm sure she's
going to say exactually that because Laura Thomas has never
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bothered to sit through and digest the facts the way
the Kurt every elected official at the county level in
Douglas County has, and when they did, we have the
support of every single elected official at the county level
right now in Douglas County.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That was George Teal, current Chair of the Douglas County
Board of Commissioners, and responding to a post on X
from our next guest, Laura Thomas. Now, he surmised he
guessed what she was going to say, but we have
her on Live right now to get what she actually
is going to say. You can follow her on X
at Laura Thomas. It's l O. R. A. Thomas COO
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here on Ryan Schuling Live. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
Thank you Ryan for the opportunity to set the record
straight here.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, your response to what you just heard from George Teele.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
You know, for years George has been attacking me rather
than talking about the facts. So here's the facts. I
have listened to county attorneys give us presentations about what
home rule can do. I have read the Constitution, I
have read the state statutes. In fact, I have done
a lot of research on a February twenty twenty five
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Colorado Supreme Court case involving Weld County. There are two
home rule counties in the state of Colorado, Weld and Pitkin.
Welds charter describes how they draw boundary lines for county commissioners,
and they've done that for almost fifty years. Well, guess what.
The League of Women Voters challenged Weld County two years ago,
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and the Colorado Supreme Court ruled in February and said,
while home ruld counties have autonomy when it comes to structure,
they must follow state law. And so that's what I'm
relying on. I'm relying on other attorneys. I have an
email from the Attorney General's office that says home rule
counties must follow state law. And so I've done lots
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of research. And even while county home rule was just
told by the Supreme Court lesson six months ago, they
must follow state law.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Laura Dandy Don Meredith on the old edition of Monday
Night Football in the seventies had a saying, and I
use it to this day, if ifs and butts were
candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. And
it just sounds like perhaps you've done the research and
you're the bearer of bad news, but you wish it
were true that in an ideal world, if Douglas County
could kind of become Petoria from a family guy in
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Peter Griffin and control a lot of the things that
George Teele would like to control, independent and free from
the intervention of the Colorado General Assembly, which you and
I would both agree in George Wood too has gone
off the rails far to the left that in this world,
how however, we're not going to get everything we want.
We're not even going to get a little bit of
what we want. Even though when I read a tweet
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like I saw a post on X like I saw
Laura that says Sherry's neighbor on her street has two
signs in her lawn black Lives Matter and no on
home Rule, she might as well have an in this
house we sign, And that automatically makes me go, you
know what, Maybe home Ruled is a good idea, but
you're saying it's not what it's cracked up to be right,
it is not.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
What we are being told it is by the county commissioners.
And as an example, there was an immigration law that
just passed the legislature that Governor Polus signed two weeks ago.
And you know what they specifically call out in this bill.
I think it's twenty five two seventy six. This bill
applies to home rule counties and home rule municipalities. So
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the state legislature is sending us a message that bye, gosh,
you Douglas County are going to follow our state laws.
And you just said, what's right that we could opt
out of these laws that I believe in others that
the legislature has gone too far, but home rule is
not the way to do that. The way to do
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that is for the Republican Party to start appealing to
voters who want to vote for our candidates, and then
we have Republicans under the Gold Home who can then
fashion laws that are more in line with our values.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Laura, you have been on the board of commissioners. George
Teele cited your service there and we thank you for that.
But there's kind of a path here that seems to
be like walking a minefield. I live in a rappahole
county and this used to be a red county. Let's
go back twenty years to the two thousand and four
election George W. Bush won that county over John Carrey.
It has changed markedly and for the worst. And to
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the left. We saw Amy Padden and her ridiculous sentence
of probation for the fifteen year old illegal alien who
killed the twenty four year old Caitlin Weaver, and was
looking to protect him as an illegal alien from deportation,
not even worried about about the Weaver family or Caitlin's death,
one of their own citizens in a Rapo county. By contrast,
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Douglas County now has Sheriff Darren Weekley, district Attorney George Brockler,
a Republican board of commissioners looks like the public boards
of education, maybe leaning in that direction as well. The
short version of this question is what is going right
I guess in Douglas County independent of this argument at
home rule that is going so wrong for Republicans statewide.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
The reason we have a Republican district attorney in Douglas
County is because in twenty eighteen, I asked my fellow commissioners,
would you support me in breaking up the eighteenth Judicial District.
Let a Rapa hob be a rapah Hope, and let's
do Douglas, Elbert and Lincoln. I am a conservative Republican
and I did that to save money. But I also
saw the politics of what was going on. But if
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the Republican Party in Douglas County does not stop with
the litmus test and start supporting Republicans that appeal to
the fifty percent of voters in Douglas County that are unaffiliated,
Douglas County is going to look like Jefferson County and
a Rapahoe County in four or six years.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Well, that sounds terrible.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Lord Thomas joining us a former member of the Border
Commissioners in doug Cooe, which has become a ruby red
kind of harbinger of things to come. We hope for
Republican Party statewide. But Laura is kind of raising this
cautionary tale about home rule. There's another portion of this
that I'd like you to come on, Laura, because you
just posted this as well. I saw this in a
(26:32):
link at your ex account. It says, spotlight on what
your Doug Co government is doing in the shadows, and
I cite the following paragraph. Kowa's Mandy Connell had what
misinformation might call a humdinger of an interview with former
Douglas County Commissioner Steve Bohan on our radio show this
afternoon that explored many of the reasons why a no
vote for home rule is the only way to go.
(26:54):
Boyand is running against the three sitting commissioners for one
of the at large seats, three of them on the
Charter Commission, and he definitely earned my vote today. So
it just sounds like there's a splintered faction, there's a
fissure within the Republican candidates themselves in Douglas County, and Laura,
I got to kind of call it what it is.
This is what we've seen kind of statewide with Dave
(27:15):
Williams as the chair of the Republican Party here in
Colorado and the various factions that diverged from him, including
Brita Horne, the current chair. How do we put this
back together again?
Speaker 9 (27:28):
So I'm glad you're reading my newsletter. I've been publishing
that for over four years, so that the public has transparency.
Let me just point out, Ryan that last year I
ran in the Republican Party the Republican primary to be
able to run against Robert Marshall, the Democrat that represents
Highland's ranch in House District forty three. I ran against
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an unemployed, unqualified, unelectable guy in the primary.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
There was three.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Hundred thousand dollars spent against me in that primary, and
so this unelectable guy one, and guess what, Robert Marshall,
the Democrat, won that seat again and increased his margin
from four hundred votes to fourteen hundred votes. So until
the Republican Party starts backing qualified elected candidates, we are
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going to continue to lose seats to the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Okay, you heard the case now against home rule. It
is not the panacea that perhaps it is being promised
to be. George Teel had the pro version of that argument.
Laura Thomas accountering that argument in this segment here today
follow her on exit Laura Thomas COO. That's Laura's built
l R. A. Thomas co And again you can read
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her newsletter from that feed as well as I just did,
and as I just cited, Laura thank you so much
for your time. We really appreciate all you do.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
I appreciate you, and thanks for spreading the word. Remind
everybody to vote no on Home Rule.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You've heard both sides of it, and they're coming from
Republicans on either side. I feel like I would watch
the heel match of Randy Macho Man Savage versus Jake
the Snake Roberts, and it's like, wait a minute, one
of these guys is going.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
To be the good guy. Who is the good guy here?
I kind of like both of them to be quoting.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Frank and I like both George Teal and Laura Thomas,
but I don't live in Douglas County. If you live
in Douglas County, how will you be voting on Home Rule?
And why yes per George Teal or no per Laura Thomas.
We'll get to those texts as we round out and
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seven three nine, got some text left Stephen Lyttleton retired.
(30:50):
LA oh right. The last thing I want is the
jeff Co left is to have more power.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Look what they've done to jeff Co Public schools. My god,
it don't need that coming to doug Co. Doug Co
is a bastion of freedom and safety and protection from
crime thanks to Sheriff Darren Weekley and Da George Brockler.
I am strongly considering a move there, although you know
what would happen. They'd mess with me. I think Sheriff
(31:15):
weekly and George they like pull me over and ah,
you're getting the book thrown at you, son, and the
George would bring me the cart and be like, ah,
he dropped the charges. I hope that last part would happen,
but maybe not. The guy's crazy. Ask Sheriff Steve Reams
PK reflecting on anything that you heard, Just to go ahead,
the corny coopia and the mic is yours.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Well, I just want to reflect on this immigration thing.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
You know Tom Homan was one of my picks out
of the five you asked us that they.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
And I sit here and think to myself, they're trying,
but I'm with Danielle, I think they should flood Colorado.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
I do know they're doing something.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And I don't know if you've noticed this, but there
aren't as many window washers on all the corners everywhere,
So where they went, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I'll tell you what I do know.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So the reason I asked Danielle Tom Holman was now
with Sheriff Steve Reems earlier this week when the sheriff
was spilling in for Dan Caplis, and Homan made that
promise that edict, We're going to flood the zone in Colorado,
We're coming to Denver specifically targeting them after this horrendous,
heinous anti Semitic terror attack in Boulder. And I asked
(32:21):
Danielle Jerinski, who joined me, and you heard that, you
heard that in the first hour. Does she have faith
that the Trump administration will deliver on this? And I
don't blame her. She's like, it's kind of like a
wait and see. I hope so, and I certainly believe
that they want to. But the laws here now especially
have been bolstered by Jared Paulus. Don't let him escape responsibility.
(32:42):
The so called moderate libertarian governor is anything but those
two things he signed into law, strengthening the sanctuary policies
of Denver of Colorado, making it an uphill climb for
ICE to do their jobs. However, I have from a
reliable source that indeed they're going to follow Stephen Miller's advice.
There was some audio released, or at least the text
(33:04):
and the transcript of that saying I want you at
every home depot every seven to eleven. We're going to
round them up, We're going to ship them out, and
I believe it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Well, you're here in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
And I hope so.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
And I want to ask you, when these are representatives
of the people pass these laws that cause harm to
the people, how much are they liable for all of this?
Speaker 6 (33:30):
What's their position in it?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
You know, the government thinks they can get in and
do everything for the party and to do what they
think their little agenda is.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
But then they leave all these terrible things.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Happening to each and every one of us that they're
supposed to be protecting.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Well, the cynical answer is the right one, and they
don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And that's because this is what happens when you have
one party rule in a state. And what I mean
by that is one party rule, Democrat rule. I've been
in places where there's one party Republican rule. It's awesome.
By and large, it's fantastic. Law enforcement is respected, they're
allowed to do their jobs. You feel safe in your homes.
I want that. That's why I fight for it's so
(34:08):
hard on the show every day. I'm not like a
diet in the wool Republican, but I am going to
vote that way and I am going to support those
candidates because you're a hell of a lot safer and
better off. You have more freedoms and liberties with Republicans
in charge than these Marxist Democrats. And that's what they are.
And they don't answer to anybody. They're not accountable here
in Colorado because they feel Dan has made at this
point many times, and he's right. They feel invulnerable, they
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feel immune, they feel invincible to the voters because they're
not going to be voted out.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
But that's the same attitude, Ryan, that all of the
immigrants have. If you've noticed, they feel they're immune.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, because they have been.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Yeah, the laws don't apply to them.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, they're gonna, okay, Sheriff's coming where Round Holman's coming.
Others from Ice they're coming. Good, Wait you'll see it happen.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Round them up.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I can't wait either.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
P K Steinmark Stevenson. She'll be up recording at six pm.
Check out our podcast, Humanity Against Tyranny tonight on your
favorite podcast platform
When I turned to one of our intrepid reporters in
the field. I normally turned to Rob Dawson, but when
Rob Dawson's not available or not on the scene, I
turned to Jimmy Sangenberger, who is the columnist and op
ed writer for the Denver Gazette and occasional go to
fill in host for this program Ryan Schuling Live. He
joins us, Now he got a break from court. All
(00:21):
I saw was a photo that he sent me of
Mike Lindell, my Pillow founder, and it's outside of a courtroom.
So let's go from there. Jimmy fill us in on
the details. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey, Ryan, this is quite a case. It is called
by Lyndell and his followers the Trial of the Century.
That photo you saw was from yesterday when he was
outside being interviewed by Lyndell TV. But this is one
of the big lawsuits in the claims over election fraud,
where in this case, Lindell and his companies are being
(00:56):
sued by the former Vice President of Dominion, Eric Coomer
because of claims that had been made basically saying that
Komer was largely responsible in his role for rigging the
elections and so Coomer has brought a number of defamation
lawsuits and this is one of them, and really the
(01:17):
big one in particularly so because it's the first one,
at least to my knowledge, of this type that has
gotten into court, and particularly with Lyndell, Frank Speech and
My Pillow as descendants.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And it would.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Make sense that Mike Lindell, who earned a small fortune
through my pillow, it's a quality product. You see the
ads all the time on Fox News and maybe write
many right leaning news outlets. But this really did Jimmy
become Mike Lindell's cause celeb. If you would, along with
Tina Peters and others that were adamant that there was
election fraud and that it was provable that they gained
(01:53):
standing in the courts, they would show the evidence for it.
Take us from there in this story and why Mike
Lindell is willing to certainly financially but almost literally die
on this hill.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I think part of it, just from my advantage point
in following this, since it all began literally since the
first claims about Eric Coomer were made by others back
in November of twenty twenty, is that he got to
a point where the claims were made and he had
to keep going like he was in too deep, and
(02:29):
so you got to build on that, or at least
there's a feeling of building on that.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I think.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The first lawsuit against Lindell came February or March of
twenty twenty one by Dominion Voting Systems. This was after
Eric Coomer had left the company. And then a couple
months later the election security breach happened with Tina Peters,
and in court one of her lawyers actually told the
judge that this was to gather evidence for Lindell's defense
(02:56):
in these different defamation cases. Kind of snowballs from there,
and I mean, I really think that there has been
sort of an industry made around this and the allegations
of a stolen election. And that's a conversation we can
have in another time. But when you have these kinds
of incentives and you make claims and you have to
keep sort of either building on those claims or completely
(03:19):
retract them.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You really have two options.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
One continue to move forward and dig yourself deeper, or
pull back and retract in he chose.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
The former Jimmy Seiningberger joining us live on the scene
from the courthouse where he's gotten a break and he
is reporting for the Denver Gazette, and you note I'll
be writing about this in the near future. You text
me as well, Jimmy final question here very slow moving.
They are only going into witness number two late on
day three. Why is it so slow moving?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I think part of it is a lot of the
foundation that you have to lay for a case like this.
This is a defamation case, which is clear, and there
are certain standards in that. There are clear standards you
have to reach to prove the case to a jury,
and this is in fact a jury trial, and so
when there are a lot of complications and layers and
(04:10):
facets to this, there's a lot of groundwork you have
to lay. There's also been a lot of objections from
the defense, which of course is Mike Lindell's defense team.
And last night, in fact, they were supposed to go
into cross examination pretty much didn't of the first witness,
which is Eric Hoomer, the plaintiff bringing this case again,
(04:32):
the former Dominion Vice president. Instead, they got bogged down
in discussion over whether or not certain exhibits should be admitted.
It didn't get to start his cross examination until I
think around ten o'clock this morning, still had ten minutes
of redirect from the plaintiff's legal defense legal team after lunch,
(04:52):
and then brought out Matt Crane, the executive director of
the County Clerk's Association who's currently testifying. And then following
that will be Joe Opman, who really got the ball
rolling with claims in November of twenty twenty about Eric
Komer that snowballed into what we see now with the
various claims legal proceedings that Coomer's brought in these lassites.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Eric Coomer, the former official for Dominion Voting Systems, with
the defamation laws suit targeting Mike Lindell in this trial
going on right here in Denver. Jimmy Sengenberger on the
spot covering it in real time, and you can follow
him in real time on x at sang Center seng
cnt e Er Jimmy Sangenberger, our guest, Jimmy will let
(05:35):
you get back to it and we'll look forward to
more on this story as it develops.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Thank you, Ryan, appreciate it, brother, all.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, starting the conversation right there five seven, seven, three
nine and joining me live in studio. She is the
host of the Humanity Against Tyranny podcasts, which records most
Wednesday nights right here in this very studio. Yours truly
alongside are for the ride, and PK will be recording
another episode tonight.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We'll get to those details in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But BK, I know this is an issue that you've
done a lot of research about yourself, and I just
want to get your thoughts as to what is going
on with this lawsuit defamation. Mike Lindell stands to lose
a lot of money, a lot of money that he
built with the MyPillow Empire.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, Patrick Burn also was in on this too. That's
another name people need to look at. And so you're
looking at Tina Peters, Mike Lindell, Patrick Burn. Since this
whole thing started, and President Trump himself even has said
that election was fraudulent many times and if he did
(06:35):
not have the proof, he wouldn't say it. They got
the proof, and Tina Peters on behalf of her she
didn't get to even give her side of the story.
She had judges and district attorneys that are a lot
like what you're seeing. The Daniells screaming against on the
illegal situation.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, so she.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Didn't get to even give her defense. They just did
it and cut it off and that was it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, a lot of people, including Tina Peters and our
legal team claimed that she was a scapegoaded steamrolled made
an example of that. If it was person X, then
maybe there wouldn't have been a severe of a sentence,
and she is currently serving hard time.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
There have been a lot of calls for some.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Form of legal relief, but as needs to be noted,
President Trump can't offer a pardon for Tina because these
were state level charges, not federal.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So exactly that's where that.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Stands, and with Mike Lindell will continue to follow that
in real time your thoughts at five seven, seven, three nine,
We're gonna run the gamut here of PK in studio
and our next topic really needs no introduction, but it's
who can out grift the other. We saw Alex Thompson
of Axios, Jake Tapper of CNN writing a book about
the Biden Whitehouse. Behind the scenes, he's actually flying off
(07:46):
of tall buildings in a single bound Joe Biden. But
we knew that wasn't true, and we knew that in
real time, we could see it with our own eyes.
If you had a functional brain in all of you
do because you're listening to this show, you knew that
Joe Biden was senile, that he was suffering in the
throes of dementia. Those that have a family member who
has had dementia know that that is what we were
witnessing before our very eyes. But the media was fooled
(08:09):
because the Biden administration was lying to them and who
was front and center lying the most, providing the veneer,
the facade, the cover for Joe Biden himself. How about
White House Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre, Well, guess what.
She dropped this bombshell today on Instagram.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Hi am Hi, I'm Karine Jean Pierre, and I am
the author of a new book that's coming out this
fall called Independent. It's coming out on October twenty first,
so please please do grab it. And the reason I
wrote this book coming out of the White House. You know,
serving as White House pres secretary was an honor and
(08:50):
a privilege. But since I have left, the people that
come up to me, strangers that come up to me
just across the country, as I'm traveling and sometimes right
in my neighborhood, at our grocery store, supermarket, airport, my
daughter's school. The number one question they asked me is, Kareem,
how do we get.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Out of this?
Speaker 7 (09:09):
How do we protect vulnerable communities among us? What do
we do next? Because we don't have answers here?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
That's what they ask me.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And this is my answer.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
And what I mean by that is in an era
of misinformation, disinformation, the regressiveness of social policy, what we're
seeing currently right now, what I have decided to do,
and I really have thought long and hard about this,
is to follow my own compass. And that's what I've done.
And that's what this book does.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And here's the truth, and here's how I will lay
it out. That's not the truth.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
I think we need to stop thinking in boxes and
think outside of our boxes and not.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Be still partisan.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
And the way that I see moving forward in this
space that we're in right now is if you you
are willing to stand side by side with me, regardless
of your political how you identify politically, and as long
as you respect the community that I belong to and
vulnerable communities that I respect, I will be there with you.
(10:16):
I will move forward with you.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
And that is I think so important.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
So this book independent, It's about looking outside of boxes,
not just always being in a partisan stance, and how
do we move forward together in a compassionate way, in
a way that really truly cares about people.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
October twenty first.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
October twenty first, just in time for Halloween. You scared yet?
How about we review Kareem John Pierre. You saying you're
out there telling the truth?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Now you are?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Are you seriously telling the truth? Is that what this
is all about. Let's go back to July twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
Look, will certainly just continue to call that out. And
the tip fix didn't come for me. I didn't. I
didn't coin that. I didn't come from this White House
or this podium. That came from the media. Oh, they
called the chief fakes and they said this president, President Biden,
was being targeted on misinformation.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It was purposefully being done to this president.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
And what we did is we echoed that. So I
don't regret it at all.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It was just the facts.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
The facts were cheap fakes. That term was disinformation. There
were no cheap fakes. Joe Biden being escorted off stage
caught on video by President Barack Obama, George Clooney's fundraiser,
absolutely happened. Biden did not recognize George Clooney. PK has
never met George Clooney. If PK saw George Clooney in public,
(11:41):
she would recognize him. And I believe that one. Okay,
so there's cheap fakes out there, there's misinformation, there's disinformation
out there. The Robert Her transcripts, they were unnecessarily mean.
They took advantage of the situation. They inflated and inflamed
the perceptions of Joe Biden is being senile.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So release the Her tapes, right, They did that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
They went ahead and did that because that would have
proven to everybody that look this characterization of Joe Biden.
It was gratuitously saying he was an elderly old man,
friendly but too senile.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
To stand trial. So of course you want to say to.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Give anything the report is flatly wrong, fortuitous.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
You can't say any want them to materially made Publican.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Wouldn't know what I can say.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
It's being they're discussing it, they're looking at it. There's
a process that's involved, and some brials Council couldn't obviously
have taken these questions from all of you, and so
they're looking into it. I just don't have anything further
to say about it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
They're looking into it. Here's what needed to happen.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Joe Biden need to march down, you know, totally competent
and coherent and cognitively aware. Joe Biden need to march
out of what the blank is going on with these tapes.
I was perfectly fine releasing the public right now. You
know who would have done that? DJT, the Orange Man,
Donald Trump, if there had been this narrative out there,
Oh he's senile, he's slipping, he's done. No, go ahead,
(13:04):
release the tapes. Let them hear, let them see that
for themselves. I'm fine.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Joe Biden didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And we never heard the Herd tapes until Donald Trump's
administration released them.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And then you know what you heard.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
There's a process we're gonna go through, and they just
release the tapes. If Joe Biden says release the tapes,
he's the President of the United States, then you release
the tapes.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
They didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
PK your reaction to the book Independent and Karine jan
Pierre leaving the Democratic Party altogether.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Well, aren't they all now? They're all kind of backsliding
and stepping back. Tapper and all of them going, Oh,
I didn't they lied to us. No, you walked in lockstep.
You said exactly what they wanted you to say about him,
and you kept pushing that he was okay mentally, physically
and emotionally.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
You stood by him, all of you. All of you did.
But when it comes to Donald J.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Trump, I gotta tell you, he would not only say
release the tapes, he'd say, just come and get the person.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Give me the test right now, right in front of everybody.
I'll take my cognitive test right here.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Man, woman, Doug cat television. I got them all. They
say it's the greatest job a president has ever done
on a cognitive test, it was me. And if there
was video of the recordings, let's say Robert hur Or
whoever had sat down with the president and interrogated him.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And again there's this narrative. Oh you see, he's loas
in his mind, he's got dementia. No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I'm sharper than most people twenty years younger than me. Okay,
I'm totally sharp and I want people to see it.
I don't want them just to hear it. I want
them to see how good I look. That's exactly how
that exactly if he would have said.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
And you know the other thing, remember when they said
Biden could beat him on the golf course.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh remember that one. That was the one that bothered
Donald Trump to most.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Come on, come on, bring it on, buddy.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
You know if he was that was I.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Was literally I was watching that with our mutual friend
Mindy and her husband down there, and in real time
you could see Trump was agitated by some of the
stuff Biden was on whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
But when he went to golf and say I'll carry
my own back? Can you do that?
Speaker 6 (15:09):
And Truss like, well, come on, really, all the worst
rind of this whole thing is his wife.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Who would allow a person, if you loved him, to
go through what he went through?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Evil? Pure evil?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Now, God forbid, if your husband was going through what
Joe Biden was going through, p K, I know you'd
be front and center going, honey, it's over.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
He's trying to pack it in. We're gonna take it easy.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You're not gonna do anything stressful and ever again, We're
gonna I'm gonna throw on the brakes here.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
We're going to pull him into the public sphere.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Would you to make a fool of himself right to
trip downstairs to follow his words, to forget right?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
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Speaker 1 (15:48):
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this guy. These people are so out of touch, they
don't know what.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The hell is going on in our country. Taking an
example is understating it, really.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
You know, the White House almost gloating at Victory Lab
a number of tweets last night about you know, you know,
about this victor, about this suspect's family rushing them out,
you know, And I was told by a White House
advisory late yesterday that you know, this.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Is sort of the plan here.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Is that that we know from covering Donald Trump for
a long time, his reflex is always to come back
to immigration.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
He believes that's the signature issue.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
He believes that's what got him elected, and the Americans want.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
To see things like this. Now in this case, obviously,
you know, we don't know the.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Family's involvement, the suspects accused of a heinous crime. There
are certainly plenty of Americans who would be glad to
see him go, might have questions about the family. Not really,
but they're leaning into this sort of in your face imagery.
Good that didn't necessarily work purpolling earlier, this term deportations,
the Al Salvadore prison alike. Now they're doubling down on
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that sort of public image.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Now, oh my god, Senator Van Holland had a margarita
with kil Mar Abrigo Garcia. It was an absolute backfire politically.
Poll after poll shows that Americans support widely, broadly and
by a majority sixty three percent fifty seven percent, somewhere
around sixty percent, the mass deportation of all illegal aliens,
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not criminal illegal aliens meaning they're here illegally and they
committed another crime. No, you're here illegally, we punt you
to the border. Punt this family to the moon. Either
they knew that this maniac was plotting this attack or
they didn't. And they're here illegally too, So what are
we gonna do, Jonathan Lemere, We're gonna separate families.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
No, we're gonna keep them together.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And they're all leaving because he doesn't get to have
anchor babies and an anchor wife and keep his whole
family here just because he's a degenerate piece of you
know what. No, you're gone by he gone and they're
all gone. And I'm not blinking, I'm not thinking twice
about it. This is what we voted for PK exactly.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And you know, Danielle said it right too, about all
of it, all of this immigration, these crimes, we wouldn't
even be talking about if these people weren't here to
begin with.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
They're illegal, they shouldn't be in this country.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
And you know, everybody forgets about how many of these
illegal aliens caused these horrendous crimes, Caitlin. And then remember
the semi truck driver that killed everybody under I seventy.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Pardon by Polis pretty much this sentence reduced.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Yes, and remember Donnie Young, the cop where they were
brought in Southwest Denver, him and his partner, they go
there for this ruckus and the guy leaves the MS
thirteen gang, he comes back and shoots him in the
back of the head, like execution execution stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Come on, people, there's more than one example, and p
Simark Stevenson hitting upon those. Flora Thomas joins us next
ocrude's home rule in Douglas County right here on Ryan
Schuling Life. But then, George, I want you to respond
to Laura Thomas. She says, the following home rule does
(19:15):
not allow counties to opt out of state laws. We
don't like immigration, gun control, grocery bag fees. We must
follow all state laws. All home rule allows a county
to do is change the structure, such as extending term limits,
increasing salaries, making some positions appointed as opposed to elected.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
What say you, I.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Say, That's been Laura Thomas's opinion for the last five years,
and she has neither listened to nor has she allowed
the thoughts and the ideas and the facts to change
that opinion. When Lord Thomas was on the Border County
Commissioners with us, she wouldn't even sit still. She wouldn't
(19:56):
even have a rational conversation about home rule. She started
now just like that, neighbor with the Black Lives Matter
sign and she never left no and I get it.
She she what you just said, and I'm sure she's
going to say exactually that because Laura Thomas has never
(20:17):
bothered to sit through and digest the facts the way
the Kurt every elected official at the county level in
Douglas County has, and when they did, we have the
support of every single elected official at the county level
right now in Douglas County.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That was George Teal, current Chair of the Douglas County
Board of Commissioners, and responding to a post on X
from our next guest, Laura Thomas. Now, he surmised he
guessed what she was going to say, but we have
her on Live right now to get what she actually
is going to say. You can follow her on X
at Laura Thomas. It's l O. R. A. Thomas COO
(20:58):
here on Ryan Schuling Live. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
Thank you Ryan for the opportunity to set the record
straight here.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, your response to what you just heard from George Teele.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
You know, for years George has been attacking me rather
than talking about the facts. So here's the facts. I
have listened to county attorneys give us presentations about what
home rule can do. I have read the Constitution, I
have read the state statutes. In fact, I have done
a lot of research on a February twenty twenty five
(21:29):
Colorado Supreme Court case involving Weld County. There are two
home rule counties in the state of Colorado, Weld and Pitkin.
Welds charter describes how they draw boundary lines for county commissioners,
and they've done that for almost fifty years. Well, guess what.
The League of Women Voters challenged Weld County two years ago,
(21:51):
and the Colorado Supreme Court ruled in February and said,
while home ruld counties have autonomy when it comes to structure,
they must follow state law. And so that's what I'm
relying on. I'm relying on other attorneys. I have an
email from the Attorney General's office that says home rule
counties must follow state law. And so I've done lots
(22:14):
of research. And even while county home rule was just
told by the Supreme Court lesson six months ago, they
must follow state law.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Laura Dandy Don Meredith on the old edition of Monday
Night Football in the seventies had a saying, and I
use it to this day, if ifs and butts were
candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. And
it just sounds like perhaps you've done the research and
you're the bearer of bad news, but you wish it
were true that in an ideal world, if Douglas County
could kind of become Petoria from a family guy in
(22:44):
Peter Griffin and control a lot of the things that
George Teele would like to control, independent and free from
the intervention of the Colorado General Assembly, which you and
I would both agree in George Wood too has gone
off the rails far to the left that in this world,
how however, we're not going to get everything we want.
We're not even going to get a little bit of
what we want. Even though when I read a tweet
(23:05):
like I saw a post on X like I saw
Laura that says Sherry's neighbor on her street has two
signs in her lawn black Lives Matter and no on
home Rule, she might as well have an in this
house we sign, And that automatically makes me go, you
know what, Maybe home Ruled is a good idea, but
you're saying it's not what it's cracked up to be right,
it is not.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
What we are being told it is by the county commissioners.
And as an example, there was an immigration law that
just passed the legislature that Governor Polus signed two weeks ago.
And you know what they specifically call out in this bill.
I think it's twenty five two seventy six. This bill
applies to home rule counties and home rule municipalities. So
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the state legislature is sending us a message that bye, gosh,
you Douglas County are going to follow our state laws.
And you just said, what's right that we could opt
out of these laws that I believe in others that
the legislature has gone too far, but home rule is
not the way to do that. The way to do
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that is for the Republican Party to start appealing to
voters who want to vote for our candidates, and then
we have Republicans under the Gold Home who can then
fashion laws that are more in line with our values.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Laura, you have been on the board of commissioners. George
Teele cited your service there and we thank you for that.
But there's kind of a path here that seems to
be like walking a minefield. I live in a rappahole
county and this used to be a red county. Let's
go back twenty years to the two thousand and four
election George W. Bush won that county over John Carrey.
It has changed markedly and for the worst. And to
(24:45):
the left. We saw Amy Padden and her ridiculous sentence
of probation for the fifteen year old illegal alien who
killed the twenty four year old Caitlin Weaver, and was
looking to protect him as an illegal alien from deportation,
not even worried about about the Weaver family or Caitlin's death,
one of their own citizens in a Rapo county. By contrast,
(25:06):
Douglas County now has Sheriff Darren Weekley, district Attorney George Brockler,
a Republican board of commissioners looks like the public boards
of education, maybe leaning in that direction as well. The
short version of this question is what is going right
I guess in Douglas County independent of this argument at
home rule that is going so wrong for Republicans statewide.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
The reason we have a Republican district attorney in Douglas
County is because in twenty eighteen, I asked my fellow commissioners,
would you support me in breaking up the eighteenth Judicial District.
Let a Rapa hob be a rapah Hope, and let's
do Douglas, Elbert and Lincoln. I am a conservative Republican
and I did that to save money. But I also
saw the politics of what was going on. But if
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the Republican Party in Douglas County does not stop with
the litmus test and start supporting Republicans that appeal to
the fifty percent of voters in Douglas County that are unaffiliated,
Douglas County is going to look like Jefferson County and
a Rapahoe County in four or six years.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Well, that sounds terrible.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Lord Thomas joining us a former member of the Border
Commissioners in doug Cooe, which has become a ruby red
kind of harbinger of things to come. We hope for
Republican Party statewide. But Laura is kind of raising this
cautionary tale about home rule. There's another portion of this
that I'd like you to come on, Laura, because you
just posted this as well. I saw this in a
(26:32):
link at your ex account. It says, spotlight on what
your Doug Co government is doing in the shadows, and
I cite the following paragraph. Kowa's Mandy Connell had what
misinformation might call a humdinger of an interview with former
Douglas County Commissioner Steve Bohan on our radio show this
afternoon that explored many of the reasons why a no
vote for home rule is the only way to go.
(26:54):
Boyand is running against the three sitting commissioners for one
of the at large seats, three of them on the
Charter Commission, and he definitely earned my vote today. So
it just sounds like there's a splintered faction, there's a
fissure within the Republican candidates themselves in Douglas County, and Laura,
I got to kind of call it what it is.
This is what we've seen kind of statewide with Dave
(27:15):
Williams as the chair of the Republican Party here in
Colorado and the various factions that diverged from him, including
Brita Horne, the current chair. How do we put this
back together again?
Speaker 9 (27:28):
So I'm glad you're reading my newsletter. I've been publishing
that for over four years, so that the public has transparency.
Let me just point out, Ryan that last year I
ran in the Republican Party the Republican primary to be
able to run against Robert Marshall, the Democrat that represents
Highland's ranch in House District forty three. I ran against
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an unemployed, unqualified, unelectable guy in the primary.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
There was three.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Hundred thousand dollars spent against me in that primary, and
so this unelectable guy one, and guess what, Robert Marshall,
the Democrat, won that seat again and increased his margin
from four hundred votes to fourteen hundred votes. So until
the Republican Party starts backing qualified elected candidates, we are
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going to continue to lose seats to the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Okay, you heard the case now against home rule. It
is not the panacea that perhaps it is being promised
to be. George Teel had the pro version of that argument.
Laura Thomas accountering that argument in this segment here today
follow her on exit Laura Thomas COO. That's Laura's built
l R. A. Thomas co And again you can read
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her newsletter from that feed as well as I just did,
and as I just cited, Laura thank you so much
for your time. We really appreciate all you do.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
I appreciate you, and thanks for spreading the word. Remind
everybody to vote no on Home Rule.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You've heard both sides of it, and they're coming from
Republicans on either side. I feel like I would watch
the heel match of Randy Macho Man Savage versus Jake
the Snake Roberts, and it's like, wait a minute, one
of these guys is going.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
To be the good guy. Who is the good guy here?
I kind of like both of them to be quoting.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Frank and I like both George Teal and Laura Thomas,
but I don't live in Douglas County. If you live
in Douglas County, how will you be voting on Home Rule?
And why yes per George Teal or no per Laura Thomas.
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LA oh right. The last thing I want is the
jeff Co left is to have more power.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Look what they've done to jeff Co Public schools. My god,
it don't need that coming to doug Co. Doug Co
is a bastion of freedom and safety and protection from
crime thanks to Sheriff Darren Weekley and Da George Brockler.
I am strongly considering a move there, although you know
what would happen. They'd mess with me. I think Sheriff
(31:15):
weekly and George they like pull me over and ah,
you're getting the book thrown at you, son, and the
George would bring me the cart and be like, ah,
he dropped the charges. I hope that last part would happen,
but maybe not. The guy's crazy. Ask Sheriff Steve Reams
PK reflecting on anything that you heard, Just to go ahead,
the corny coopia and the mic is yours.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Well, I just want to reflect on this immigration thing.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
You know Tom Homan was one of my picks out
of the five you asked us that they.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
And I sit here and think to myself, they're trying,
but I'm with Danielle, I think they should flood Colorado.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
I do know they're doing something.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And I don't know if you've noticed this, but there
aren't as many window washers on all the corners everywhere,
So where they went, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I'll tell you what I do know.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So the reason I asked Danielle Tom Holman was now
with Sheriff Steve Reems earlier this week when the sheriff
was spilling in for Dan Caplis, and Homan made that
promise that edict, We're going to flood the zone in Colorado,
We're coming to Denver specifically targeting them after this horrendous,
heinous anti Semitic terror attack in Boulder. And I asked
(32:21):
Danielle Jerinski, who joined me, and you heard that, you
heard that in the first hour. Does she have faith
that the Trump administration will deliver on this? And I
don't blame her. She's like, it's kind of like a
wait and see. I hope so, and I certainly believe
that they want to. But the laws here now especially
have been bolstered by Jared Paulus. Don't let him escape responsibility.
(32:42):
The so called moderate libertarian governor is anything but those
two things he signed into law, strengthening the sanctuary policies
of Denver of Colorado, making it an uphill climb for
ICE to do their jobs. However, I have from a
reliable source that indeed they're going to follow Stephen Miller's advice.
There was some audio released, or at least the text
(33:04):
and the transcript of that saying I want you at
every home depot every seven to eleven. We're going to
round them up, We're going to ship them out, and
I believe it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Well, you're here in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
And I hope so.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
And I want to ask you, when these are representatives
of the people pass these laws that cause harm to
the people, how much are they liable for all of this?
Speaker 6 (33:30):
What's their position in it?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
You know, the government thinks they can get in and
do everything for the party and to do what they
think their little agenda is.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
But then they leave all these terrible things.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Happening to each and every one of us that they're
supposed to be protecting.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Well, the cynical answer is the right one, and they
don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And that's because this is what happens when you have
one party rule in a state. And what I mean
by that is one party rule, Democrat rule. I've been
in places where there's one party Republican rule. It's awesome.
By and large, it's fantastic. Law enforcement is respected, they're
allowed to do their jobs. You feel safe in your homes.
I want that. That's why I fight for it's so
(34:08):
hard on the show every day. I'm not like a
diet in the wool Republican, but I am going to
vote that way and I am going to support those
candidates because you're a hell of a lot safer and
better off. You have more freedoms and liberties with Republicans
in charge than these Marxist Democrats. And that's what they are.
And they don't answer to anybody. They're not accountable here
in Colorado because they feel Dan has made at this
point many times, and he's right. They feel invulnerable, they
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feel immune, they feel invincible to the voters because they're
not going to be voted out.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
But that's the same attitude, Ryan, that all of the
immigrants have. If you've noticed, they feel they're immune.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, because they have been.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Yeah, the laws don't apply to them.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, they're gonna, okay, Sheriff's coming where Round Holman's coming.
Others from Ice they're coming. Good, Wait you'll see it happen.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Round them up.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I can't wait either.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
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