December 4, 2025 • 33 mins
Pam Anderson, former county clerk for JeffCo and Republican candidate for Secretary of State in 2022, joins Ryan to comment on a recent push by President Trump to transfer convicted former Mesa County clerk Tina Peters from state to federal custody in order to facilitate her release from prison. Anderson ran both against Peters in the 2022 GOP primary and controversial current Secretary of State Jena Griswold in the general election three years ago.
Greg Lopez, Republican candidate for Colorado governor, joins Ryan with an update on his campaign as we wind down calendar year 2025 heading into the 2026 primary.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Paul for former Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters to be
released from state custody into federal custody. So far, many
leaders in the states say that they don't want to
see that happen. Fox to One political reporter Gabrielle Franklin
joining US Now Live this evening to explain why this
is Gabrielle.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Christine, The President is once again putting pressure on Colorado.
A bipartisan group of leaders is urging the governor not
to gave in.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I think this is really a conversation that is being
held at the governor's office, and the governor has in
the past been a staunch supporter of Colorado's election law
and of election officials, and so we're really hoping that,
you know, he continues to do that.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
The pressure is on for Governor Jared Polis.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Sunday morning, the President took to True Social yet again
to post about Tina Peters. This time he posted free
Tina Peters, who sits in a Colorado prison, dying and old,
for attempting to expose voter fraud and the rig twenty
twenty presidential election. The President originally posted something similar last week,
and the pushback has been coming ever.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Since, whether that's a formal request or posting on social
media or shouting from a street corner. It is never
okay for the president to think that he is above
the law, or that anybody who broke the law and
compromised her own elections and really eroded public trust.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Really just shouldn't be acceptable.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Jefferson County Clerk Amanda Gonzalez and clerks from all sixty
four counties across the state sent the governor a letter
last week saying, in part, we asked that you decline
any request to transfer miss Peters to federal custody. Colorado's
judicial process should be respected and the sentence imposed by
a Colorado court should be carried out under Colorado's authority.
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Send a message to all Colorado's, to the nation, and
to every public servant watching that this state does not
abandon those who do what is right. Colorado Attorney General
Phil Wiser and Mesa County District Attorney Dan Rubinstein also
put out a joint letter last week asking the governor
to reject the formal request from the Federal Bureau of Prison, saying,
in part, shifting her custody to the federal government is
(02:04):
an attempt to bypass our judicial system, all to offer
a politically connected inmate the comforts of an easier sentence.
Colorado Secretary of State also weighing in.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Trump cannot pardon Peters, and so he is trying to
bully and retally against the state.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That's what he does.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
The governor's office says that he and the state's Department
of Corrections are reviewing the administration's requests. They also said
that the governor appreciates all the different state officials who've
been weighing in on this.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Early rich For Jenna Griswold, the disgraced sitting current Secretary
of State who is running for Attorney General, I mean
that boggles the mind. Right there, she herself guilty of,
at best, tremendous lack of discretion and discipline within her
own department, at worst, complete malfeasance in terms of distribution
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of notification for the procurement of ballots for illegal alien
along with the release of passwords for a website. That's
something that even nine News is reported on. And here
she sits in judgment of Tina Peters. Here on Ryan
Shuling Live, we are joined by the perfect guests for
the occasion for myriad reasons, and I will explain. Pam
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Anderson was the former jeffco clerk in charge of elections
there in a very purple county that now leans blue.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
She is a Republican.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
She ran in the primary in twenty twenty two against
Tina Peters and one and then went head to head
against Jenna Griswold for the Secretary of State position in
that same election twenty twenty two. Griswold won, and we
saw the disaster that followed, so she should have been
the secretary of State. She joins us now in Ryan
Schuling Live. Pam Anderson our guest. Pam, thanks for your
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time as always.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
Hey, Ryan, how's it going.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I'm doing all right.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
I just want to get your first blush, kind of
initial reaction to the story you just heard.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
Yeah, politicians aren't a politician, right, That's why my initial
first blush. Listen, I you know, I'm always going to
side on the side of election officials that are trying
to do the good they're the good job that they do.
And the Colorado County clerks are right here, and there's
a myriad of politicians laying in here, and I have
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to say I really appreciate what the Attorney General and
District Attorney Rubenstein that last week. The rule of law
is important, and to President Trump, I would say, it's
a complete and total federal overreach to to try and
do this. I think it's you couldn't be more wrong.
There was a jury of her peers, a grand jury,
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a trial edmen presented, and and we can't send the
message that you can break the laws an election official
here or anywhere else in the country, and you know,
play politics with it when when you are caught.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I mentioned Dan Rubins, the Republican district attorney in Colorado's
twenty first judicial district. He will join Sheriff Steve Reims
filling in for Dan Kaplis later.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
On this afternoon. So many aspects of this.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Story, many angles being covered by yours truly and by
the good Sheriff. As we talk about Tina Peters and
President Trump pushing to have her romanda to federal custody
from state custody, Jennick Gerriswold may be right on one point.
This is motivated by President Trump politically to try to
grant Tina Peters perhaps an early release. So I got
(05:30):
a two part question when it comes to Tina specifically, Pam,
and I'm asking just for your opinion. You mentioned the
grand jury, You mentioned that she was convicted by a
jury of her peers. This was a state level case,
not a federal one. But one of the contentions that
people who are supporting the Free Tina Peters movement are
making is that the sentencing was excessively harsh and that
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that should be taken into account and consideration. That it
wouldn't be by current sitting Governor Jared Poulis as a Democrat,
but perhaps if the parties were reversed, this would get
that type of consideration and treatment. Do you think that
the sentencing of Tina Peters was excessive?
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I do not.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
I think that the offenses were serious. And I think
that the infested politics that are trying to get into
elections administration, whether it's from the left or the right,
has to stop. It has to stop on the citizens
of our state, the citizens of our country. These operations.
(06:30):
The way we do elections for our rights as Americans
shan't be bought or politicized or bent to whatever political
agenda exists.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
And you know, the.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Senencing wasn't you know, I think it was half of
what the sentencing guide lands were and anybody who watched
the trial and saw the evidence or lack of evidence presented.
I have a lot of empathy thirteen to Peters to
one degree, and that is I think that she is
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being used as a political tool for folks to raise
money and to play to certain sections and factions of
political parties on either side of the aisle. And I
think that's you know that I have some empathy for
what I don't have empathy empathy for And I sat
across the desk from her on multiple occasions when I
was executive director of the clerk's association, multiple times to
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try and help her help herself in learning her job.
She has a low information clerk and the perfect perfect combination,
and it's a lethal one of ignorance and arrogance. And
you know, the law applies. You know, justice is about accountability,
and I think that that that sentencing was appropriately accountable.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Bam Anderson joining us, She was the primary opponent of
Tina Peters going back to twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Republican former Jeff co clerk.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Herself and then went on to go head to head
with Jenna Griswold in the general election in twenty twenty
two for Secretary of State. So a well informed source,
to be sure. Pam Anderson, our guest, Pam, I had
concerns about my home state of Michigan in the twenty
twenty election. I was following it live in real time,
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and like you, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not
saying all dominion voting systems are inherently flawed or corrupt. However,
in Antrim County, in Northwest County near Traverse City, Michigan,
I noticed that it appeared to be a county had
flipped blue that was not anticipated to. It was a
rural county that had gone for Trump in twenty sixteen
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against Hillary Clinton. And suddenly I'm looking up these again
in real time election results that didn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I made that comment on what was then called Twitter.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
What was later revealed by Matt Tayibe is that I
became part of the Twitter files and that my account
was throttled and in fact silence because I dared to
question the accuracy of those totals in Antrum County. As
it would turn out, I was right. Those vote totals
were transposed. The votes that should have gone for Trump
went for Biden, and vice versa, those that went for
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Biden should have gone for Trump.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It was corrected, but in real time it was an error.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
So knowing that, in knowing that I completely prefer in
person hand paper ballots with an ID, this is what
I voted with in Michigan, and I know we have
all mail in balloting here in Colorado, it leads me
to this question, which is, I know you don't share
those concerns that Tina Peters had, but if you did,
was there a better way to go about checking the
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systems for accuracy legitimacy than how she went about it
that would have been within the realm.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Of the law.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
You know, that's a great question, Ryan, and I do
think that election officials need to be accountable and transparent
and public about even administrative error as quickly as possible.
And I think you're citing an example of that. Right.
If you do not immediately come out in a transparent
way and say, hey, this was an administrative error and
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how you're going to correct it in the future, that
it can create a lot of mistrust and doubt. But
what Tina could have done isn't I have questions about
this system, and other county officials have done this before.
Can legitimately test and by the way, hand count your
election outside of the audit and demonstrate to yourself and
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to the citizens of your community that the outcome was accurate,
because that's what we do here in Colorado and everywhere
across the country. Over ninety seven percent of folks vote
on a piece of paper. It's verifiable. And Tina Peters
never said to her commissioners, sure, I'll handcount this. Why
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because there's more political agenda involved actually demonstrating that that
election was accurate. Mistakes can be made, So it's incumbent
upon this foreign election official to do that within the
structure of the law and in full transparency in daylight.
It was not in full transparency in daylight. It was
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after she turned the security off, and she's given them
to third parties. I don't think we want any election
official giving giving that information away to their political cronals.
I think what we want is to demonstrate that, as
Mason County did afterwards, by handcounting another election. So, you know,
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playing political games with our democracy is not a good
idea ever. And you know, what I don't want to say.
I have, you know, since I have the platform. You know,
I'm really glad that the governor now is saying no,
this is not going to happen. But I really want
would love for the governor to say, look, I'm not
going to play parlor games or do background political deals
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with the rule of law and with the due diligence
that Colorado citizens did in this instance. It's dangerous. It
creates a threatening environment, and I totally disagree with that.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Pam Anderson our guest, former county clerk in Jeffco and
former Republican candidate for Secretary of State in twenty twenty two,
again going head to head with Tina Peters in the
primary and head to head with Jenna Griswold in the general. Pam,
I think you and I are along the same point
in the spectrum when it comes to issues of election integrity,
and you want to get things right. But there are
a lot of people Republican registered voters right now that
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have severe concerns about election integrity. And I'll point to
one example. You're free to comment however you want about it.
It's just something i've noticed. Left brain logic analysis which
is when Colorado went to all mail in balloting. That
is exactly when Democrats started dominating in elections.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Is that a coincidence?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Are Democrats just more likely to vote or to harvest
ballots to get a higher turnout than Republicans? Is that
easier to do because most Democrats live in urban areas.
Most Republicans live in more rural areas, so it's more
spread out geographically. How would you explain that and what
would you say to reassure Republican voters out there that
our elections in Colorado are safe and secure.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Yeah, that's a great question too. And I've done elections
for over twenty two years now here and I work
nationally as well, and I can tell you vote mode
or vote method plays less into outcome than most people
might think. So it generally trends with registration or political trends,
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and so in areas like rural counties where Republicans tend
to have the majority of the registration or Conservatives people
that lean right, you're going to see those outcomes trend
that way regardless of vote mode, regardless of the method
in which they vote, And the reverse is true in
the urban areas they tend to lean that more. What
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you said in Colorado is more about a demographic change
in more densely populated areas, movement away and population change
from more rural areas. And frankly, you know, the ballot
content really matters. So presidential election years are a little
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bit different low turnout elections. There's evidence and a lot
of academic research that mail ballot does help in traditionally
low turnout elections like special district elections or spring municipal elections.
But other than that, really it just trends towards turnout
get out. The vote still matters your candidates and the
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issues on the ballot is what determines it and who
those candidates are. And you know, in Colorado, President Trump
in the urban and suburban areas among certain demographics has
been incredibly unpopular. And you can see how a ballot
breaks down from the top of the ballot to the bottom.
Colorado's are at the top of the ballot, voting very blue.
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But you'll notice in some of the initiatives there's you know,
right of center positioning around tax measures. So now, I
don't think it's that simple, and it's not been my
experience that vote method. What I think is important for
voters is to have the freedom to choose how they
most prefer, and in Colorado, you have incredible freedom to decide.
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Do I want to vote that vote mail ballot, Do
I prefer to go into a voting center at early
to do it? Or do I prefer to be an
election day voter and either drop off by ballot or
vote in person. Preserving those rights of how and the
choice is what we do here in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Our perspective as the former county clerk for Jeff co
and the Republican candidate for Secretary of State in twenty
twenty two. Pam Anderson our guest today on Ryan Schuling Live. Pam,
thanks again for your time. I'm for all you do
and we appreciate you joining us here today.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
All Right, Pam Anderson your response reaction, We're getting plenty
of it right away at five seven seven three nine
on the text line, let's start here, Ryan. I would
never vote for Pam Anderson on anything in Colorado anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
She lost a lot of people's votes. Shame on her.
Tina got nine flipping years. This is the same Texter.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
It's bs and everybody in this state should be pissed
as hell from this Texter arg I'm screaming at the
radio at this politician who supposedly would be the best
candidate Colorado is persecuting Tina Peters Baywatch. Pam Anderson would
be a better candidate. I'm sure she gets that a lot.
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In fact, when I would have her on the program
when she was a candidate, Pam Anderson, I would always
intro her with Motley Cruz kickstart my heart, And that
was like a subtle wink and a nod to the name.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Similarity obvious.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
This from Stephen Littleton, retired law enforcement officer. Maybe if
Kim Kardashian were to call polus on Tina's behalf, she
would be pardoned. Yeah, maybe whispering sweet nothings. And at
Jared Poulis is here, I'll never forget. He was cornered
on this by Comrade Kyle at nine News, and he
just deflected and changed the subject.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
And you know what he does.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
He just spins and pontificaids and never answers the question.
He's one of the more highly annoying politicians I've ever covered,
and I've had many conversations both on and off the
air with his opponent the last time around, Heidi Ganal,
And you can only imagine those things are confirmed when
the cameras are off as well. Ryan, So ask her
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she would vote for electoral college voting in Colorado Lake
we have.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
In the federal law. It's an idea, it's a theory,
it's a concept.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
The electoral college, I think, is one of the more
brilliant creations by our founding fathers because it protected rural
grarian interests and voters in the South that would have
been out represented by sheer volumes of populations and urban
centers in the Northeast in the original thirteen colonies, which
would have been like Boston, Philadelphia, New York City. The
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electoral college preserves and protects every state's voice, including the
less populated ones like Wyoming, like South Dakota. And I
think it is pure genius that we are not a
pure democracy that settles our federal nationwide elections on the
national popular vote alone. Anybody who suggests otherwise has a
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clear misunderstanding of what we are as a constitutional republic
and the difference between that and what would be a
direct democracy, which was cited by our brilliant founding fathers
that they wanted to avoid as the fall of the
ancient democracies of Greece and Rome suggested, it lent itself
to far more corruption because those vote totals could be fit. Next,
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and now with the electoral college again, it forces candidates
to campaign in states that they might not otherwise bother
with interesting insight from Pam Anderson on the Tina Peters case.
Well more on this coming up with Steve Rams, the
sheriff of Weald County, filling in for Dan Kaplis, Republican
candidate for Governor Greg Lopez next on Ryan Schuling Live.
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Speaker 9 (21:04):
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Speaker 6 (21:07):
Proving Greig Lopez throwing his hat into the ring again
as a candidate for governor. Most recently, he served out
the term for the outgoing Ken Buck and the fourth
Congressional District, holding on to that seat until Lauren Bobert
took it over in the full election that would take
place in the fall. Greg Lopez our guest right now
on Ryan Schuling Live. Greg always grateful for your time.
(21:29):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
Hey, Ryan, it's a pleasure to be on your show.
It's ever every time I'm on there. I have a
great conversation with you.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Looking forward to the same and I appreciate that from you.
Looking back at the last time that you ran, it
pretty much came down to you and Heidi ganall in
the prime area. I know Danielle Neuschwanger was also a
prominent candidate. So that's three off the top of my
head as of right now, and since the last time
we spoke, Craig, it seems like everybody and their brother
and sister has entered this race and we're up brought
around twenty candidates.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Is that possible?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Is that only because it's a wide open seat now
and you don't have to go head to head against
Jared Polis.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
I think it is. You know, if you go back
to twenty eighteen, there wasn't as many as we have today,
but I think we had twelve or fourteen that you know,
put in their names. But that feel back then I
expected to happen this time as well. You know, I
think nine of us went to the Assembly and three
basically petitioned on. So there were four in the primary
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election in twenty eighteen, and like you said, in twenty
twenty two, it was me and heidik it all, you know,
and I lost going to the general election Ryan about
only forty eight thousand votes. And you know a lot
of people forget is that the Democratic Party spent over
two million dollars in the primary to make sure that
I didn't make it to the general. I mean, that's
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that's telling.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
You know.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
I still have those flyers, you can still see the
commercials that they ran. But it could have been interesting
election cycle.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
A question I don't think I've asked to before, Greg,
but looking back on your service in politics as mayor
of Parker, Colorado, We've spoken about that many times, but
it was in the midst of that that you switched
parties in nineteen ninety four a Democrat prior to that,
you changed to Republican affiliation after that? What was the
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purpose of that change?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
What caused it?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
You know, I'm glad you asked, because, you know what,
like most Hispanics, I grew up as a Democrat, because
the mantra within Hispanic community is that, you know, the
Democrats are for the poor and the Republicans are for
the rich. And so that was the mindset that I
grew up. And you know, when I became there, one
of the interesting things Ryan is I would go to
the schools. I would talk to the kids at all
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grade levels, you know, and just talk about government, answer
their questions. And I'd always get this question, what party
are you and why? And I knew that wasn't coming
from the kids. That was coming from the parents, you know.
And at first I would say, you know, I'm a
Democrat because my mom and dad are. And then after
a while, so he went, that's not a very good answer.
So I studied the national platforms. I studied the platform
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for the Democrat Party and I studied the national platform
for the Republican Party. My wife and I after about
eight to nine weeks, and by the grace of God.
I had Jim Nicholson as my mentor on the Republican side,
and as you know, he became the national chairman for
the Republican Party and got George W. Bush elected. But
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when I studied the platforms, I realized I'm more of
a Republican than I'm a Democrat. I believe in the
values of the Constitution. I believe in independence and freedom,
and I don't like government getting in my way. I
believe that I can control my own destiny. If I'm
just allowed to have an opportunity and be able to
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work hard and save my money, I should be able
to live the American dream. And so I changed parties
as a sitting mayor. That's right. I was a city
mayor when I changed party of phil and you can
imagine both sides were confused. The Democrats here caught on fire.
The Republicans weren't sure what I was doing. And I
knew that was going to happen. And so I found
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a quote by Witch Winston Turchill that answered everybody's questions,
because they great, why did you change parties? And I
would share this quote with them, and it goes like this.
You know, some men will change your values as belief
for the sake of the party. Other men's will change
party for the sake of their values and belief And
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that's what I did.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Greg Lopez, candidate for governor on the Republican side once
again here heading into the twenty twenty six primary. Where
As I mentioned, there are about twenty candidates in the
Republican field as it stands right now. Something you mentioned
in your campaign launch video there that I played, Greg,
and listeners can find out more about you at your website,
Greg Lopez dot Co. One of those issues is right
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in your wheelhouse is you are the former Colorado director
for the US Small Business Administration, and you've seen so
many businesses leave in particular downtown Denver that has become
cost prohibitive to set up shop here in Colorado, cost
of living, cost of doing business has been off the
charts expensive. What would be your plan to fix that
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with your knowledge and background in that specific realm.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
Look one of the things that and you're right, I
am the former director for the United States Small Business
Administration here in Colorado, and small business is a hard
and soul of every community. If you drive down any
small main street downtown corridor, and you see a lot
of vacant storefronts. That community is hurting, you know, just
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you know, and so it goes to training, marketing, access
to capital, understanding what the business culture is all about,
you know. And so just to give you an idea.
And in my administration when I was the head of SBA,
we gave over two point nine billion dollars in SBA
loans to small businesses to create over forty six thousand
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jobs in the small business area. And I was able
to acquire four point six billion dollars to federal contractors
awarded directly to Colorado small businesses. And so I'm a
small business owner. We all know small business owners, and
it's regulations are crippling and strangling the success of the
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small business owners. I'm going to put a stop to that.
You know, DORA is out of control. That's the Department
of Regulatory Agencies. You know, the bureaucrats are the ones
that are really stifling the growth of small business. And
we're hurting our costomy, We're hurting families, we're hurting the
American dream. And I'm want to be a champion and
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i want every small business owner to know that you
have a strong advocate in Greg Lopez, I want to
make sure that small business survives and thrives, because small
business it's more important than large business.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Greg Lopez, as our guest, and like me, you had
parents that came to this country looking for a better life. Greg,
and like me, you are a big proponent and supporter
of legal immigration. But recently in the news, President Trump
has made headlines with some rather incendiary rhetoric regarding Somali
immigrants and in particular Representative Ilhan Omar. These were a
(28:20):
portion of those remarks. I want to get your response
on the other side.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You know, our country is at a tipping point. We
could go bad. We're at a tipping point. I don't
know if people mind me saying that, but I'm saying
that we could go one way or the other, and
we're going to go the wrong way if we keep
taking in garbage into our country. Elan Omar is garbage.
She's garbage. Her friends are garbage. These are people that work.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
These are people that say, let's go, come on, let's
make this place great.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
These are people that do nothing but complain.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
They complain and from where they came from, they got nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
You know, they came from paradise.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
And they said, is in paradise, But when they come
from hell and they complain and do nothing.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
But bitch, we don't want him in our country. Let
them go back to where they came from.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
And fiction strong words from President Trump. Greg your response, Yeah,
but you.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
Can share the frustration. You can hear in his voice.
I can tell you this though, you know what, I
do not agree with him at all in calling people garbage.
That is just wrong. Look, I'm a strong believer in
our Lord and Savior, and you know, I believe we're
all created in his image, you know. And yeah, you
know what. They come from a different culture. They come
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from a different understanding of what America is all about,
and so we do need to help them assimilate. That's
one of the things that I think everybody will agree
with Brian is, Look, America was built by immigrants. You know,
they worked hard, But the one thing they all had
in common. They wanted to be Americans. They wanted to
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learn English, they wanted to defend the American flag, they
wanted to live the American dream. And I think there
is some truth in what he's saying, because I've talked
to some illegal immigrants, and they don't understand that the
United States is not the bank account. You know, we're
thirty eight trillion dollars in debt. You know we struggle
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as the nation's just like everybody else. But look, you
should never call people garbage. That is wrong. I don't
support that. I would never do that because that is
not what Americans are all about. But he's frustrated. I mean,
you can trust me. I've been in situations where you
know you're managing a town, you're managing a big operation,
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and you may have caught him in a wrong time.
You know, you may have caught him in a point
where you know you must have just had a bad
conversation or whatever. But that is no excuse for calling
anyone garbage.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Greg Lopez always shooting us straight as a candidate for governor.
You can find out more on his website, Greg Lopez
dot Co. As you mentioned before, Greg, always enjoy our conversations.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Best of luck out there on the campaign trail.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Hey appreciate it. Ryan, You guys take.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Care all right, Greg Lopez right there your reaction At
five seven, seven, three nine, we wind down our number
one of Ryan shuling live after this I'm coming at
you and stay tuned. Jamie Lisso on the other side.
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Speaker 4 (31:43):
Gonna be a fun conversation with him.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Let's get to the tax five seven seven three nine, Ryan,
thank you for having Greg Lopez on.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
He has always been my number one choice.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Unfortunately, there are too many stupid, idiotic Republicans out there
that don't want him in. So therefore, after Greg, my
first choice is Scott Bottoms. I've always had great conversations
with Greg Lopez. I think he's got a solid head
on his shoulders. He's got a wealth of experience. He's
a strong candidate for many reasons, not the least of
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which he has that background as a Mexican American who
has served our country in the Air Force. Parents worked
in the fields as migrants, both in Michigan and then
they moved here to Colorado. There's a lot of commonality
that I have with Greg Lopez, and I am a
fan of his personally. Though I do not endorse in
the primaries. I do vote in the primaries, though, and
I'll reveal that afterward if you're interested in knowing who
(32:35):
I voted for this text or ads. Thank you so
much for explaining the electoral college voting system. You're welcome.
And I don't feel like it's done enough in our schools.
The teaching of civics. It's a lost art or intentionally
ignored by far left teachers that don't want to give
validation to the genius of our founding fathers and why
this country is so great, and in large part it
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is based specifically on our founding and the details that
went into it, the minutia of being a constitutional republic
that protects the interest of the minority and that we
do not have tyranny by the majority. That is the
genius of the United States of America. And you should
be proud of it. And I know many and most
of you are Ryan. Those illegals in Minnesota are takers
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and don't want to assimilate.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
They are garbage.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Well, I agree with Gregan that I don't think it's
productive for President Trump to label Ilon Olmar or her
cohorts or Somali immigrants with such an incendiary term, just
because I don't think that's fruitful in the exchange of
ideas to try to get to the fact of the matter,
the bottom line, the solution, which is the deportation of
many illegal aliens and have them come back if they
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want to be Americans and assimilate, have them come back
the right way. As I mentioned Jimmie Lessu straight ahead,
don't go anywhere, stick and stay to Ryan Shuling Live
Paul for former Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters to be
released from state custody into federal custody. So far, many
leaders in the states say that they don't want to
see that happen. Fox to One political reporter Gabrielle Franklin
joining US Now Live this evening to explain why this
is Gabrielle.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Christine, The President is once again putting pressure on Colorado.
A bipartisan group of leaders is urging the governor not
to gave in.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I think this is really a conversation that is being
held at the governor's office, and the governor has in
the past been a staunch supporter of Colorado's election law
and of election officials, and so we're really hoping that,
you know, he continues to do that.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
The pressure is on for Governor Jared Polis.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Sunday morning, the President took to True Social yet again
to post about Tina Peters. This time he posted free
Tina Peters, who sits in a Colorado prison, dying and old,
for attempting to expose voter fraud and the rig twenty
twenty presidential election. The President originally posted something similar last week,
and the pushback has been coming ever.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Since, whether that's a formal request or posting on social
media or shouting from a street corner. It is never
okay for the president to think that he is above
the law, or that anybody who broke the law and
compromised her own elections and really eroded public trust.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Really just shouldn't be acceptable.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Jefferson County Clerk Amanda Gonzalez and clerks from all sixty
four counties across the state sent the governor a letter
last week saying, in part, we asked that you decline
any request to transfer miss Peters to federal custody. Colorado's
judicial process should be respected and the sentence imposed by
a Colorado court should be carried out under Colorado's authority.
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Send a message to all Colorado's, to the nation, and
to every public servant watching that this state does not
abandon those who do what is right. Colorado Attorney General
Phil Wiser and Mesa County District Attorney Dan Rubinstein also
put out a joint letter last week asking the governor
to reject the formal request from the Federal Bureau of Prison, saying,
in part, shifting her custody to the federal government is
(02:04):
an attempt to bypass our judicial system, all to offer
a politically connected inmate the comforts of an easier sentence.
Colorado Secretary of State also weighing in.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Trump cannot pardon Peters, and so he is trying to
bully and retally against the state.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That's what he does.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
The governor's office says that he and the state's Department
of Corrections are reviewing the administration's requests. They also said
that the governor appreciates all the different state officials who've
been weighing in on this.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Early rich For Jenna Griswold, the disgraced sitting current Secretary
of State who is running for Attorney General, I mean
that boggles the mind. Right there, she herself guilty of,
at best, tremendous lack of discretion and discipline within her
own department, at worst, complete malfeasance in terms of distribution
(02:54):
of notification for the procurement of ballots for illegal alien
along with the release of passwords for a website. That's
something that even nine News is reported on. And here
she sits in judgment of Tina Peters. Here on Ryan
Shuling Live, we are joined by the perfect guests for
the occasion for myriad reasons, and I will explain. Pam
(03:16):
Anderson was the former jeffco clerk in charge of elections
there in a very purple county that now leans blue.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
She is a Republican.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
She ran in the primary in twenty twenty two against
Tina Peters and one and then went head to head
against Jenna Griswold for the Secretary of State position in
that same election twenty twenty two. Griswold won, and we
saw the disaster that followed, so she should have been
the secretary of State. She joins us now in Ryan
Schuling Live. Pam Anderson our guest. Pam, thanks for your
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time as always.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
Hey, Ryan, how's it going.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I'm doing all right.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
I just want to get your first blush, kind of
initial reaction to the story you just heard.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
Yeah, politicians aren't a politician, right, That's why my initial
first blush. Listen, I you know, I'm always going to
side on the side of election officials that are trying
to do the good they're the good job that they do.
And the Colorado County clerks are right here, and there's
a myriad of politicians laying in here, and I have
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to say I really appreciate what the Attorney General and
District Attorney Rubenstein that last week. The rule of law
is important, and to President Trump, I would say, it's
a complete and total federal overreach to to try and
do this. I think it's you couldn't be more wrong.
There was a jury of her peers, a grand jury,
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a trial edmen presented, and and we can't send the
message that you can break the laws an election official
here or anywhere else in the country, and you know,
play politics with it when when you are caught.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I mentioned Dan Rubins, the Republican district attorney in Colorado's
twenty first judicial district. He will join Sheriff Steve Reims
filling in for Dan Kaplis later.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
On this afternoon. So many aspects of this.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Story, many angles being covered by yours truly and by
the good Sheriff. As we talk about Tina Peters and
President Trump pushing to have her romanda to federal custody
from state custody, Jennick Gerriswold may be right on one point.
This is motivated by President Trump politically to try to
grant Tina Peters perhaps an early release. So I got
(05:30):
a two part question when it comes to Tina specifically, Pam,
and I'm asking just for your opinion. You mentioned the
grand jury, You mentioned that she was convicted by a
jury of her peers. This was a state level case,
not a federal one. But one of the contentions that
people who are supporting the Free Tina Peters movement are
making is that the sentencing was excessively harsh and that
(05:53):
that should be taken into account and consideration. That it
wouldn't be by current sitting Governor Jared Poulis as a Democrat,
but perhaps if the parties were reversed, this would get
that type of consideration and treatment. Do you think that
the sentencing of Tina Peters was excessive?
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I do not.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
I think that the offenses were serious. And I think
that the infested politics that are trying to get into
elections administration, whether it's from the left or the right,
has to stop. It has to stop on the citizens
of our state, the citizens of our country. These operations.
(06:30):
The way we do elections for our rights as Americans
shan't be bought or politicized or bent to whatever political
agenda exists.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
And you know, the.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Senencing wasn't you know, I think it was half of
what the sentencing guide lands were and anybody who watched
the trial and saw the evidence or lack of evidence presented.
I have a lot of empathy thirteen to Peters to
one degree, and that is I think that she is
(07:07):
being used as a political tool for folks to raise
money and to play to certain sections and factions of
political parties on either side of the aisle. And I
think that's you know that I have some empathy for
what I don't have empathy empathy for And I sat
across the desk from her on multiple occasions when I
was executive director of the clerk's association, multiple times to
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try and help her help herself in learning her job.
She has a low information clerk and the perfect perfect combination,
and it's a lethal one of ignorance and arrogance. And
you know, the law applies. You know, justice is about accountability,
and I think that that that sentencing was appropriately accountable.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Bam Anderson joining us, She was the primary opponent of
Tina Peters going back to twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Republican former Jeff co clerk.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Herself and then went on to go head to head
with Jenna Griswold in the general election in twenty twenty
two for Secretary of State. So a well informed source,
to be sure. Pam Anderson, our guest, Pam, I had
concerns about my home state of Michigan in the twenty
twenty election. I was following it live in real time,
(08:23):
and like you, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not
saying all dominion voting systems are inherently flawed or corrupt. However,
in Antrim County, in Northwest County near Traverse City, Michigan,
I noticed that it appeared to be a county had
flipped blue that was not anticipated to. It was a
rural county that had gone for Trump in twenty sixteen
(08:44):
against Hillary Clinton. And suddenly I'm looking up these again
in real time election results that didn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I made that comment on what was then called Twitter.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
What was later revealed by Matt Tayibe is that I
became part of the Twitter files and that my account
was throttled and in fact silence because I dared to
question the accuracy of those totals in Antrum County. As
it would turn out, I was right. Those vote totals
were transposed. The votes that should have gone for Trump
went for Biden, and vice versa, those that went for
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Biden should have gone for Trump.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It was corrected, but in real time it was an error.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
So knowing that, in knowing that I completely prefer in
person hand paper ballots with an ID, this is what
I voted with in Michigan, and I know we have
all mail in balloting here in Colorado, it leads me
to this question, which is, I know you don't share
those concerns that Tina Peters had, but if you did,
was there a better way to go about checking the
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systems for accuracy legitimacy than how she went about it
that would have been within the realm.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Of the law.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
You know, that's a great question, Ryan, and I do
think that election officials need to be accountable and transparent
and public about even administrative error as quickly as possible.
And I think you're citing an example of that. Right.
If you do not immediately come out in a transparent
way and say, hey, this was an administrative error and
(10:11):
how you're going to correct it in the future, that
it can create a lot of mistrust and doubt. But
what Tina could have done isn't I have questions about
this system, and other county officials have done this before.
Can legitimately test and by the way, hand count your
election outside of the audit and demonstrate to yourself and
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to the citizens of your community that the outcome was accurate,
because that's what we do here in Colorado and everywhere
across the country. Over ninety seven percent of folks vote
on a piece of paper. It's verifiable. And Tina Peters
never said to her commissioners, sure, I'll handcount this. Why
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because there's more political agenda involved actually demonstrating that that
election was accurate. Mistakes can be made, So it's incumbent
upon this foreign election official to do that within the
structure of the law and in full transparency in daylight.
It was not in full transparency in daylight. It was
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after she turned the security off, and she's given them
to third parties. I don't think we want any election
official giving giving that information away to their political cronals.
I think what we want is to demonstrate that, as
Mason County did afterwards, by handcounting another election. So, you know,
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playing political games with our democracy is not a good
idea ever. And you know, what I don't want to say.
I have, you know, since I have the platform. You know,
I'm really glad that the governor now is saying no,
this is not going to happen. But I really want
would love for the governor to say, look, I'm not
going to play parlor games or do background political deals
(12:01):
with the rule of law and with the due diligence
that Colorado citizens did in this instance. It's dangerous. It
creates a threatening environment, and I totally disagree with that.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Pam Anderson our guest, former county clerk in Jeffco and
former Republican candidate for Secretary of State in twenty twenty two,
again going head to head with Tina Peters in the
primary and head to head with Jenna Griswold in the general. Pam,
I think you and I are along the same point
in the spectrum when it comes to issues of election integrity,
and you want to get things right. But there are
a lot of people Republican registered voters right now that
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have severe concerns about election integrity. And I'll point to
one example. You're free to comment however you want about it.
It's just something i've noticed. Left brain logic analysis which
is when Colorado went to all mail in balloting. That
is exactly when Democrats started dominating in elections.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Is that a coincidence?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Are Democrats just more likely to vote or to harvest
ballots to get a higher turnout than Republicans? Is that
easier to do because most Democrats live in urban areas.
Most Republicans live in more rural areas, so it's more
spread out geographically. How would you explain that and what
would you say to reassure Republican voters out there that
our elections in Colorado are safe and secure.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Yeah, that's a great question too. And I've done elections
for over twenty two years now here and I work
nationally as well, and I can tell you vote mode
or vote method plays less into outcome than most people
might think. So it generally trends with registration or political trends,
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and so in areas like rural counties where Republicans tend
to have the majority of the registration or Conservatives people
that lean right, you're going to see those outcomes trend
that way regardless of vote mode, regardless of the method
in which they vote, And the reverse is true in
the urban areas they tend to lean that more. What
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you said in Colorado is more about a demographic change
in more densely populated areas, movement away and population change
from more rural areas. And frankly, you know, the ballot
content really matters. So presidential election years are a little
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bit different low turnout elections. There's evidence and a lot
of academic research that mail ballot does help in traditionally
low turnout elections like special district elections or spring municipal elections.
But other than that, really it just trends towards turnout
get out. The vote still matters your candidates and the
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issues on the ballot is what determines it and who
those candidates are. And you know, in Colorado, President Trump
in the urban and suburban areas among certain demographics has
been incredibly unpopular. And you can see how a ballot
breaks down from the top of the ballot to the bottom.
Colorado's are at the top of the ballot, voting very blue.
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But you'll notice in some of the initiatives there's you know,
right of center positioning around tax measures. So now, I
don't think it's that simple, and it's not been my
experience that vote method. What I think is important for
voters is to have the freedom to choose how they
most prefer, and in Colorado, you have incredible freedom to decide.
(15:31):
Do I want to vote that vote mail ballot, Do
I prefer to go into a voting center at early
to do it? Or do I prefer to be an
election day voter and either drop off by ballot or
vote in person. Preserving those rights of how and the
choice is what we do here in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Our perspective as the former county clerk for Jeff co
and the Republican candidate for Secretary of State in twenty
twenty two. Pam Anderson our guest today on Ryan Schuling Live. Pam,
thanks again for your time. I'm for all you do
and we appreciate you joining us here today.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
All Right, Pam Anderson your response reaction, We're getting plenty
of it right away at five seven seven three nine
on the text line, let's start here, Ryan. I would
never vote for Pam Anderson on anything in Colorado anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
She lost a lot of people's votes. Shame on her.
Tina got nine flipping years. This is the same Texter.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
It's bs and everybody in this state should be pissed
as hell from this Texter arg I'm screaming at the
radio at this politician who supposedly would be the best
candidate Colorado is persecuting Tina Peters Baywatch. Pam Anderson would
be a better candidate. I'm sure she gets that a lot.
(16:45):
In fact, when I would have her on the program
when she was a candidate, Pam Anderson, I would always
intro her with Motley Cruz kickstart my heart, And that
was like a subtle wink and a nod to the name.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Similarity obvious.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
This from Stephen Littleton, retired law enforcement officer. Maybe if
Kim Kardashian were to call polus on Tina's behalf, she
would be pardoned. Yeah, maybe whispering sweet nothings. And at
Jared Poulis is here, I'll never forget. He was cornered
on this by Comrade Kyle at nine News, and he
just deflected and changed the subject.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
And you know what he does.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
He just spins and pontificaids and never answers the question.
He's one of the more highly annoying politicians I've ever covered,
and I've had many conversations both on and off the
air with his opponent the last time around, Heidi Ganal,
And you can only imagine those things are confirmed when
the cameras are off as well. Ryan, So ask her
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she would vote for electoral college voting in Colorado Lake
we have.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
In the federal law. It's an idea, it's a theory,
it's a concept.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
The electoral college, I think, is one of the more
brilliant creations by our founding fathers because it protected rural
grarian interests and voters in the South that would have
been out represented by sheer volumes of populations and urban
centers in the Northeast in the original thirteen colonies, which
would have been like Boston, Philadelphia, New York City. The
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electoral college preserves and protects every state's voice, including the
less populated ones like Wyoming, like South Dakota. And I
think it is pure genius that we are not a
pure democracy that settles our federal nationwide elections on the
national popular vote alone. Anybody who suggests otherwise has a
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clear misunderstanding of what we are as a constitutional republic
and the difference between that and what would be a
direct democracy, which was cited by our brilliant founding fathers
that they wanted to avoid as the fall of the
ancient democracies of Greece and Rome suggested, it lent itself
to far more corruption because those vote totals could be fit. Next,
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and now with the electoral college again, it forces candidates
to campaign in states that they might not otherwise bother
with interesting insight from Pam Anderson on the Tina Peters case.
Well more on this coming up with Steve Rams, the
sheriff of Weald County, filling in for Dan Kaplis, Republican
candidate for Governor Greg Lopez next on Ryan Schuling Live.
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Speaker 9 (21:04):
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Speaker 6 (21:07):
Proving Greig Lopez throwing his hat into the ring again
as a candidate for governor. Most recently, he served out
the term for the outgoing Ken Buck and the fourth
Congressional District, holding on to that seat until Lauren Bobert
took it over in the full election that would take
place in the fall. Greg Lopez our guest right now
on Ryan Schuling Live. Greg always grateful for your time.
(21:29):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
Hey, Ryan, it's a pleasure to be on your show.
It's ever every time I'm on there. I have a
great conversation with you.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Looking forward to the same and I appreciate that from you.
Looking back at the last time that you ran, it
pretty much came down to you and Heidi ganall in
the prime area. I know Danielle Neuschwanger was also a
prominent candidate. So that's three off the top of my
head as of right now, and since the last time
we spoke, Craig, it seems like everybody and their brother
and sister has entered this race and we're up brought
around twenty candidates.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Is that possible?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Is that only because it's a wide open seat now
and you don't have to go head to head against
Jared Polis.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
I think it is. You know, if you go back
to twenty eighteen, there wasn't as many as we have today,
but I think we had twelve or fourteen that you know,
put in their names. But that feel back then I
expected to happen this time as well. You know, I
think nine of us went to the Assembly and three
basically petitioned on. So there were four in the primary
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election in twenty eighteen, and like you said, in twenty
twenty two, it was me and heidik it all, you know,
and I lost going to the general election Ryan about
only forty eight thousand votes. And you know a lot
of people forget is that the Democratic Party spent over
two million dollars in the primary to make sure that
I didn't make it to the general. I mean, that's
(22:50):
that's telling.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
You know.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
I still have those flyers, you can still see the
commercials that they ran. But it could have been interesting
election cycle.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
A question I don't think I've asked to before, Greg,
but looking back on your service in politics as mayor
of Parker, Colorado, We've spoken about that many times, but
it was in the midst of that that you switched
parties in nineteen ninety four a Democrat prior to that,
you changed to Republican affiliation after that? What was the
(23:19):
purpose of that change?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
What caused it?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
You know, I'm glad you asked, because, you know what,
like most Hispanics, I grew up as a Democrat, because
the mantra within Hispanic community is that, you know, the
Democrats are for the poor and the Republicans are for
the rich. And so that was the mindset that I
grew up. And you know, when I became there, one
of the interesting things Ryan is I would go to
the schools. I would talk to the kids at all
(23:44):
grade levels, you know, and just talk about government, answer
their questions. And I'd always get this question, what party
are you and why? And I knew that wasn't coming
from the kids. That was coming from the parents, you know.
And at first I would say, you know, I'm a
Democrat because my mom and dad are. And then after
a while, so he went, that's not a very good answer.
So I studied the national platforms. I studied the platform
(24:08):
for the Democrat Party and I studied the national platform
for the Republican Party. My wife and I after about
eight to nine weeks, and by the grace of God.
I had Jim Nicholson as my mentor on the Republican side,
and as you know, he became the national chairman for
the Republican Party and got George W. Bush elected. But
(24:28):
when I studied the platforms, I realized I'm more of
a Republican than I'm a Democrat. I believe in the
values of the Constitution. I believe in independence and freedom,
and I don't like government getting in my way. I
believe that I can control my own destiny. If I'm
just allowed to have an opportunity and be able to
(24:48):
work hard and save my money, I should be able
to live the American dream. And so I changed parties
as a sitting mayor. That's right. I was a city
mayor when I changed party of phil and you can
imagine both sides were confused. The Democrats here caught on fire.
The Republicans weren't sure what I was doing. And I
knew that was going to happen. And so I found
(25:11):
a quote by Witch Winston Turchill that answered everybody's questions,
because they great, why did you change parties? And I
would share this quote with them, and it goes like this.
You know, some men will change your values as belief
for the sake of the party. Other men's will change
party for the sake of their values and belief And
(25:33):
that's what I did.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Greg Lopez, candidate for governor on the Republican side once
again here heading into the twenty twenty six primary. Where
As I mentioned, there are about twenty candidates in the
Republican field as it stands right now. Something you mentioned
in your campaign launch video there that I played, Greg,
and listeners can find out more about you at your website,
Greg Lopez dot Co. One of those issues is right
(25:55):
in your wheelhouse is you are the former Colorado director
for the US Small Business Administration, and you've seen so
many businesses leave in particular downtown Denver that has become
cost prohibitive to set up shop here in Colorado, cost
of living, cost of doing business has been off the
charts expensive. What would be your plan to fix that
(26:16):
with your knowledge and background in that specific realm.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
Look one of the things that and you're right, I
am the former director for the United States Small Business
Administration here in Colorado, and small business is a hard
and soul of every community. If you drive down any
small main street downtown corridor, and you see a lot
of vacant storefronts. That community is hurting, you know, just
(26:40):
you know, and so it goes to training, marketing, access
to capital, understanding what the business culture is all about,
you know. And so just to give you an idea.
And in my administration when I was the head of SBA,
we gave over two point nine billion dollars in SBA
loans to small businesses to create over forty six thousand
(27:02):
jobs in the small business area. And I was able
to acquire four point six billion dollars to federal contractors
awarded directly to Colorado small businesses. And so I'm a
small business owner. We all know small business owners, and
it's regulations are crippling and strangling the success of the
(27:24):
small business owners. I'm going to put a stop to that.
You know, DORA is out of control. That's the Department
of Regulatory Agencies. You know, the bureaucrats are the ones
that are really stifling the growth of small business. And
we're hurting our costomy, We're hurting families, we're hurting the
American dream. And I'm want to be a champion and
(27:44):
i want every small business owner to know that you
have a strong advocate in Greg Lopez, I want to
make sure that small business survives and thrives, because small
business it's more important than large business.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Greg Lopez, as our guest, and like me, you had
parents that came to this country looking for a better life. Greg,
and like me, you are a big proponent and supporter
of legal immigration. But recently in the news, President Trump
has made headlines with some rather incendiary rhetoric regarding Somali
immigrants and in particular Representative Ilhan Omar. These were a
(28:20):
portion of those remarks. I want to get your response
on the other side.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You know, our country is at a tipping point. We
could go bad. We're at a tipping point. I don't
know if people mind me saying that, but I'm saying
that we could go one way or the other, and
we're going to go the wrong way if we keep
taking in garbage into our country. Elan Omar is garbage.
She's garbage. Her friends are garbage. These are people that work.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
These are people that say, let's go, come on, let's
make this place great.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
These are people that do nothing but complain.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
They complain and from where they came from, they got nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
You know, they came from paradise.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
And they said, is in paradise, But when they come
from hell and they complain and do nothing.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
But bitch, we don't want him in our country. Let
them go back to where they came from.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
And fiction strong words from President Trump. Greg your response, Yeah,
but you.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
Can share the frustration. You can hear in his voice.
I can tell you this though, you know what, I
do not agree with him at all in calling people garbage.
That is just wrong. Look, I'm a strong believer in
our Lord and Savior, and you know, I believe we're
all created in his image, you know. And yeah, you
know what. They come from a different culture. They come
(29:39):
from a different understanding of what America is all about,
and so we do need to help them assimilate. That's
one of the things that I think everybody will agree
with Brian is, Look, America was built by immigrants. You know,
they worked hard, But the one thing they all had
in common. They wanted to be Americans. They wanted to
(29:59):
learn English, they wanted to defend the American flag, they
wanted to live the American dream. And I think there
is some truth in what he's saying, because I've talked
to some illegal immigrants, and they don't understand that the
United States is not the bank account. You know, we're
thirty eight trillion dollars in debt. You know we struggle
(30:21):
as the nation's just like everybody else. But look, you
should never call people garbage. That is wrong. I don't
support that. I would never do that because that is
not what Americans are all about. But he's frustrated. I mean,
you can trust me. I've been in situations where you
know you're managing a town, you're managing a big operation,
(30:42):
and you may have caught him in a wrong time.
You know, you may have caught him in a point
where you know you must have just had a bad
conversation or whatever. But that is no excuse for calling
anyone garbage.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Greg Lopez always shooting us straight as a candidate for governor.
You can find out more on his website, Greg Lopez
dot Co. As you mentioned before, Greg, always enjoy our conversations.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Best of luck out there on the campaign trail.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Hey appreciate it. Ryan, You guys take.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Care all right, Greg Lopez right there your reaction At
five seven, seven, three nine, we wind down our number
one of Ryan shuling live after this I'm coming at
you and stay tuned. Jamie Lisso on the other side.
At the top of the hour, timeout Christian Toto special
appearance like Larry from Three's Company. We're going to the
(31:31):
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Speaker 4 (31:43):
Gonna be a fun conversation with him.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Let's get to the tax five seven seven three nine, Ryan,
thank you for having Greg Lopez on.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
He has always been my number one choice.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Unfortunately, there are too many stupid, idiotic Republicans out there
that don't want him in. So therefore, after Greg, my
first choice is Scott Bottoms. I've always had great conversations
with Greg Lopez. I think he's got a solid head
on his shoulders. He's got a wealth of experience. He's
a strong candidate for many reasons, not the least of
(32:13):
which he has that background as a Mexican American who
has served our country in the Air Force. Parents worked
in the fields as migrants, both in Michigan and then
they moved here to Colorado. There's a lot of commonality
that I have with Greg Lopez, and I am a
fan of his personally. Though I do not endorse in
the primaries. I do vote in the primaries, though, and
I'll reveal that afterward if you're interested in knowing who
(32:35):
I voted for this text or ads. Thank you so
much for explaining the electoral college voting system. You're welcome.
And I don't feel like it's done enough in our schools.
The teaching of civics. It's a lost art or intentionally
ignored by far left teachers that don't want to give
validation to the genius of our founding fathers and why
this country is so great, and in large part it
(32:56):
is based specifically on our founding and the details that
went into it, the minutia of being a constitutional republic
that protects the interest of the minority and that we
do not have tyranny by the majority. That is the
genius of the United States of America. And you should
be proud of it. And I know many and most
of you are Ryan. Those illegals in Minnesota are takers
(33:19):
and don't want to assimilate.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
They are garbage.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Well, I agree with Gregan that I don't think it's
productive for President Trump to label Ilon Olmar or her
cohorts or Somali immigrants with such an incendiary term, just
because I don't think that's fruitful in the exchange of
ideas to try to get to the fact of the matter,
the bottom line, the solution, which is the deportation of
many illegal aliens and have them come back if they
(33:43):
want to be Americans and assimilate, have them come back
the right way. As I mentioned Jimmie Lessu straight ahead,
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