July 2, 2025 • 36 mins
In the first hour of today's edition of the show, Ryan Schuiling reacts to the latest news regarding President Trump's 'Big Beautiful Bill' and the left's concerns with Alligator Alcatraz
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's just like I was just here.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wait, I was selling in for Michael Brown this morning,
brief respite for the Tom Martino Show, and then bam
back I am. And this will be the last you
hear from me until after the Independence Day holiday. We'll
be venturing back to Michigan looking at some fireworks. Talked
about that a little bit this morning. If you were
along for the ride, we'll welcome back, Zach. Seekers now
(00:23):
saddling up and riding on the other side of the glass. Zach,
what are your July fourth plans if.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You have any, Probably some grilling, but keeping it easy,
keeping it mellow. I'm excited for it. Watching some fireworks
from my apartment. I've got a great like kind of
view of downtown and everything, and always I'm kind of
watching the barrage of fireworks go off.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
That's nice. As Kelly around, did she take off again?
He's playing with the squirrels. Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But the question I was asking this morning that I'll
repeat today is if you have Independence Day plans and
you would care to share them. That was kind of
a point of contention this morning as well, is whether
you're gonna give away your favorite fireworks vantage point viewing
spot because now everybody's gonna know about it, and then
everybody's gonna go there, and then they're gonna steal your
spot because you know, you gotta get there early. A
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lot of these places, you got to get there early.
You got to mark you know, your spot, your square
with a blanket and like a folding chair.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You gotta be ready.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You got a your cooler, gotta make sure people don't
steal out of your cooler.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I get it. But if you don't mind sharing the
wealth and.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The wisdom of where you decide to set up shop,
then by all means, send those along at five seven, seven,
three nine, looking forward to those lots of news breaking today.
Kelly's around, she's chasing squirrels, but she's also chasing George Brockler,
and I know.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
He was just on the show, no fooling.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But we got a couple of legal cases that basically
came to a conclusion today in one form or another.
The jury verdict in the Sean P. Diddy Puff Daddy
Comb's case. I try to as nerdy as possible whilst
saying that he was acquitted of the more serious charges
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that were pertaining to him. He was charged and convicted
of the transport of women for the purpose of prostitution,
but not the trafficking of said women. And I think
what the legal analysis that I've heard in a lot
of this was that the women of their own volition
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kind of signed up for what they were participating in.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
They were not forced against their will.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
In other words, Now there have been many reports that
they were not treated well whatsoever, but that's kind of
the cost of doing business. I don't know, I don't
really know how to read this verdict. Here's Dominic Patten,
Deadline Hollywood editor on the Sean Combs verdict.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
What does this mean now that he's able to beat
the most serious allegations he's ever faced. I mean, I
think for us you have to look at it sometimes
within two contexts here, the context of the man himself
and the context within hip hop culture. Within hip hop culture,
I think there's going to be some swagger here.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
There's also going to be some blowback.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
We've already seen Ditty's longtime rival fifty Cent already just
sing on him online, so I think that's going to
be a part of that. And there's gonna be a
lot of mixed feelings out of this, I think. I
think there are some people who always saw Ditty as
a little bit of a impersonator. Joining up with people
like Biggie Smalls gave him credibility.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
This now shows him in a very different light.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It does, and he was almost literally in the shadow
of Biggie Smalls at one time, back the notorious Big
Notorious Big, back in nineties rap days, that's before Zach
was even born.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I know you feel old now, believe me, I do too.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
But I love that fifty cent fitty sent as Rush
Limball loves saying Fitty sent. His name is the one
giving him some heat on the social media platforms. But
does this give him swagger? And pop culture? Now you
go back. You know, I've lived a long enough life,
and Kelly, you have two you look back at, like
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eighties original rap music, hip hop culture. I'm talking derivative
from Sugarhill Gang Run DMC after that. Now we're getting
to kind of the the naughty stuff, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Nwa Right, I always.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Liked rappers to like like, that's one of my favorite scenes.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yes, me too.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But you know, things got you know Luke Skywalker another
guy you know band in the USA. Yeah, and it
got really vulgar toward women.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
It was. It was extremely misogynistic music.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
But I will tell you one of the best things
that ever happened for that entire industry was Tipper Gore
when she came out with the.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Explicitly Yeah, that was a big issue.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I remember, I've mentioned this many times, Frank Zappa
coming out before he passed away from cancer and testifying
in Congress against that censorship.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
And I remember d Snyder another one.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, I tend to agree with that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know, you can't, especially in an American culture where
we have the First Amendment, you can't legislate morality. I
don't think in a lot of cases, you can tell
your kids I don't want you to listen to that music.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You can advise.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Against them purchasing the records, but a lot of times,
you know how youngsters are, that'll just make them want
to buy it more.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But to have the government or any kind of entity
come in and go, no, you.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Can't listen to this, that's what led to the song
and the video band in the USA. Let's see hear
more of what Patton had to say. Makes the comparison
to old slick Willy Bill Clinton.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I think though, what you're going to see to the
man is, you know, I hate to say this, but
in America you can just ask Bill Clinton if you
say sorry enough, eventually enough people forgive you.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Being that he can.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Now legitimately say he got off on the majority of
these counts from a prosecution who way overreached and underplayed.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Again, I don't understand why you.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Do Rico, but you only charge one guy, Like, maybe
you need to look up what Rico is to that.
I think that you were going to see how he
plays out the next few years of his career, given
or given not, whatever the prison sentence might be.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't think we've seen the end of Sean did.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
He Coombs mentioned in WA two Live Crew Luke Skywalkers,
who has talking about before you know, and they received
a lot of the street credit they're talking about. But
this is this a net negative or a net positive
for Sean Combs in pop culture, in his career, in
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his social standing, Kelly, what say you?
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Well, first of all, America is very forgiving.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's what the previous dominic Patton just said.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Yeah, so I think that you know, time will tell, obviously,
but like, I don't think it's fair to compare it
to Bill Clinton kind of a different kind of freak off.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Does did Bill Clinton really apologize? I guess he did
after the fact, But I just remember.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Ah, the non hell sexual relations, Well, he denied it
up until he couldn't deny it anymore. There was just
way too much evidence. I remember, you know, the blue
dress came out the.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Hostage video looking Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I remember that now that I think about it, where
he apologized to the American people. So does Sean Combs
need to apologize to the American people or to anybody?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, you know, he already took in his self help
books and court that was allowed so convenient.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Well, I'm just doing the work, he says, I'm just
telling you what you know was reported.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I think an apology would be wonderful to the fans
that support him. It's not my type of music, so
I really don't care what happens. But you know, there's
enough people out there that probably do want to hear that,
and then he can go on tour and do like
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the apologies.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think somehow he might benefit from all of this.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The publicity, bad publicity is better than no publicity.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You bad boy image. He was in I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I don't think that should be the case, but I'm
trying to pretad on what will happen.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What is the reality of this and the reality of the
Brian Koberger case.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
This has gotten crazy in a very short period of time,
so crazy Nazi.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Grace had some thoughts we.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Will never know what really happened. We would learn that
at trial, but there's not going to be a trial.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
He will be forever out in the mistake, like Ted
Bundy and Rex Huerman and BTK.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I was watching this a little bit earlier and
the judge seemed to be caught off guard as well.
Now this isn't Idaho. There's a death penalty in Idaho.
It was used as a cudgel to secure this plea deal,
and it's something that we're hoping to talk with George
Brockler about because he's prosecuted these types of cases. Of course,
the Aurora Theater case, which that would be on the
table now if I recall correctly, I'm not George Brockler,
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nor do I work on that field. But Kelly, if
you can think back, the Aurora Theater shooter originally was
sentenced to death right and then Colorado was a Hickenlooper.
They undid or softened the death penalty laws or got
rid of it or something like that.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Right, correct, it's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's an outrage, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
And this guy honestly should have gotten that death pedal.
It was so surreal, it really was.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
The judge is sitting there asking him, well, did you
kill these people if malice the forethought and all these
bad intentions. Yes, yeah, listen here, it's inexplicable to Mark
eyglarsh I think it is criminal defense attorney. So keep
in mind he's a defense attorney, so he's the type
of guy he'd be representing miscreant like cool Bander in court.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Everybody could deserves their day in court. I get it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I get that, But he did not spare the rod
for the prosecutors in this case.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Let's start with how the prosecutors never told the victims
families that this was going down, and they found out
the same way we did. I'm completely and thoroughly outraged
by that. Okay, putting that aside, what we just saw
was very typical. The judge did what every judge around
the country does whenever somebody takes a plea. They make
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sure that the person is knowingly and intelligently and voluntarily
giving up their rights, their cherished rights to go to
trial and confront the witnesses against them, that they're doing
so knowingly and intelligently with advisive counsel, which they're satisfied.
And he indicated that he was, and there's nothing more
left to do, and nobody forced him or threatened him
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and coerced him to do so. And the judge was
watching every word that flowed from his lips, because if
there was any hesitancy on whether he was guilty or not,
the judge would say, well, then I'm not taking your play.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We'll go to trial because you're not admitting your guilt.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
But surprisingly he said he was guilty in the same
emotion as if he'd order a sandwich.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
It was extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It was extraordinary, And I just ordered a sandwich from Potmelly.
Not to make light of this case, but I was
pretty casual about it. But that's how this psychopath was
sitting there in court. And again this was a surreal scene.
Has he just calmly admitted, one by one he murdered
all four of those young college students with all their
futures in front of them, and one of the things
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that's drawing a lot of the ire from the victim's families.
And perhaps we'll see some kind of statement at his sentencing,
but the sentencing is pretty much secured now. He's not
going to get the death penalty, but he will be
sentenced to four consecutive life sentences, I believe, without possibility
of parole. There was also a ten year sentence tacked
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on to that for a corresponding charge.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So there's no wiggle room here.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Even if Cobander got in front of the court and
started begging and groveling and apologizing and all of a
sudden he had found a conscience and he found God.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He found God, and.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
He's not bringing self help books in like Diddy Cohenes,
but he's bringing in the Bible, and he's you know,
he's a performed man. And if he had to do
over again, if you could just think in his right mind,
none of that will have an impact on his sentencing.
So he has no motive whatsoever to stand before the
court and really gives a statement of any kind. He
is not compelled to do. So, you know, the criminal
rights of defendants are clearly stated, and in this case
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he's free from testifying in his own defense as to
avoid incriminating himself. And there's very little chance I think,
even if it had gone to trial, that he would
have testified in this case himself. His lawyers is almost
an automatic. You don't testify, and we're not going to
give you the prosecution a chance to cross examine you,
especially when there were some kind of fuzzy details here
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about the surveillance video that they were able to find
and put together. The vehicle that was located wasn't really his,
the cell phone data was he where they said he
was at given times, making it not only likely but
almost certain that he was the perpetrator. And of course
he was tracked down. I believe it was in Pennsylvania,
all the way east in a vehicle with his dad.
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Is how he was apprehended. Some really tremendous police work.
To put it mildly, here's Edwena, Elco's former county prosecutor
herself being asked about this move by the Idaho prosecutors.
Speaker 9 (13:35):
I do think that they did the right thing. Of course,
going to trial is always an unknown.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Even if he were to be convicted.
Speaker 9 (13:45):
Then the jury has to make a decision on the
penalty phase and could decide not to impose the death penalty,
and then there's decades and decades of appeals. So this
gives the families some finality. I know that, you know,
they're not some of the families are not happy about this,
But I think it was the right result in this case.
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And everybody was shocked by it, but it was the
right result.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Kelly wasn't the right result.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And God forbid, Let's say one of these beautiful young
people was your son or daughter.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
How would you feel about how this was handled.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
One of the biggest criticisms, as Mark Eiglars pointed out,
is the prosecution didn't communicate this to the families, like, hey, look,
this is what we're going to do. There's a plea
deal in the works. We just want to let you
know ahead of time. They didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
They did not.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
It's hard for me to compare this because you know,
the argument, obviously on their side is that you have
to in a criminal trial beyond a reasonable doubt. So
was there anything that the prosecution thought would give them
reasonable doubt?
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Is that why they did this?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
But at the same time, they owed it to the
victims families to say, hey, listen, here's the problem, here's
what we're up against. Uh, you know, he's obviously gonna die.
My whole thing is release this guy into jem pop
and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It doesn't look like a very stout fellow that would.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Hold up well, and jen Pop ain't gonna happen well.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
As Edwina Elcox points out, Okay, you go to trial,
and I agree with you one hundred percent. If this
from my kid that was murdered, I want a trial.
I want him proved guilty by beyond a reasonable doubt.
I want him to be sentenced. But what you run
the risk of, especially in a jury trial, is something
comes up.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Evidence is thrown out.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Maybe it was tampered with, maybe the chain of custody
was not properly respected, maybe there's a hole in the case.
It's found somewhere by a very good defense team that's
looking for anything like that to create that reasonable doubt.
And then you're relying upon a jury. You know, are
they going to give him the full maximum sentence? And
I think the prosecutors felt like they got that here.
They got the four consecutive, meaning he'll serve one life,
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then another, then a third, then a fourth. And I
was talking about this earlier with Dragon filling in for
Michael Brown. You know, I think there should be truth
and sentencing. So, however you would measure four Brian koch
Koebergberger lives. Say he dies at the age of seventy
seven in prison, Well, then the second life sentence he
will serve another seventy seven years. His dead body will
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remain in that cell and rot, and then after those
seventy seven years are done, another seventy seven years are
tacked on and then he's down to bones. And then
after those seventy seven years are done, a fourth seventy
seven year sentence is served and then his bones become dust. Kelly,
does that sound fair?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
It does, But I wouldn't want to pay for it,
you see that. Well, that's why I'm a very, very
staunch supporter of the death penalty, Like I don't want
to pay for these people to be in jail for
fifty years.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's the other side of this coin, though, is let's
say he was convicted, and let's say that jury goes
You know what, this is a maniac he's a monster,
no remorse, premeditated, four murders, gruesome discovery.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
We sentence him to death. Well, then he goes on
death row.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
Yep, your tenure.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Appeal, all the appeals, the cost of that, and we're
feeding him, we're clothing. They're gonna do that anyway. But
I understand kind of both sides of this. I would
have preferred that it had gone to trial because now
it's to Nancy Grace's point, he gets to kind of
scape by and yeah, I guess I did it. Just
put me in prison. I don't want to talk about
it anymore. Don't present the evidence. But it just shows
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you like, oh, he's willing to confess to these murders
now when the death penalty's lingering above him, but you know,
maintaining his innocence all the way up until then.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Do you think he'll pull like its head Bundy where
they study him, they should.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I mean, if he's going to be in there for
fifty plus years or you know, all of his life,
I think there's.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Something to gain for that. Have you seen is it
mind Hunter?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Yeah? A wonderful show.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's so well cast.
Speaker 10 (18:05):
It really it gets these actors that look exactly like
the serial killers that are being studied. Yeah, and the
term serial killer was not invented until the nineteen seventies
by a young, hotshot kind of detective that kind of
coined the term, and now we refer to it as that.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
But didn't it kind of start with the Bundy.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Murders before that? I mean Manson, but he was more
of a mastermind. I know, Horowitz, son of Sam in
the seventies.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
I'm Sam, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
But Bundy.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
The thing is what people don't know about Bundy, or
maybe they forget her, maybe just haven't heard. I've watched
a couple of documentaries on Ted Bundy. Did you know
he broke out of jail not once, but twice? And
where did he do it? Right here in Colorado both times?
Speaker 11 (18:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yes, Ted Bundy went on and this is really sad.
He went on to commit more murders in Florida because
the bungling bozos here in Colorado let him escape twice,
two times.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
From a law library of all things.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
They let him go into this law library in the jail,
and that's where he escaped.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Do you ever watched the sentencing of Ted Bundy by
that judge that old Southern judge. He's like, you're a
really smart guy, and I am really going to wonder
what you could have done with your life if you
hadn't chosen this path.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I have seen that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But it was an intelligent guy.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Oh, she was very intelligent.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
He was represented himself in court as his own lawyer. Yes,
what serial killer does that? That's pure psychopathic behavior right there.
Oh boy, So those two cases breaking today. He got
some news on our friend Scott Jennings coming up a
little bittersweet. I'll share that in the a little bit.
We've still got plenty to get to here in this
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Speaker 1 (21:14):
Representative. Jason Smith.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't think he's going to bust out into this
any rhymes here, but the Republican from Missouri seems to
be confident about getting the big beautiful bill across the
finish line.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Do you think that you're doing trying to cram too
much before this artificial July fourth deadline, and do you
think that it's time to go back to the negotiating
table make sure that you can get these people on
board today.
Speaker 11 (21:35):
We're going to get these people on board. They're going
to vote, vote with us. This has been a process
to the It has been a process throughout the entire timeframe.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
What I will say is is that this.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
Bill is not perfect, but we cannot allow perfession to
stand in.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Place of a great bill.
Speaker 11 (21:55):
This bill will provide the largest tax cut in US history,
the largest fending cuts in US history, the largest one
time investment in the border, creating the Golden Dome for
national security. These are all things that the President campaigned on.
No tax on tips, no tax on overtime tax, really
for seniors. Our colleagues will will come to the table
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and they will find out the right vote is a
yes vote. Failure is not an option. I guarantee you
this will be on the President's desk one by July fourth.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well out to a great start on CNN, of course,
they're seizing and pouncing gop Stall's House action amid holdouts
on Trump megabill. Now President Trump has gotten through to
some of the kind of people that are holding out,
and that's what Ayasha Hasni was relaying there to Representative
Jason Smith based on her sources. But do you believe
(22:45):
that this will get to the President's desk symbolically by
July fourth, by Friday?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Does it matter if it does? I think it does
to a certain extent.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
There needs to be a signal cent that this Republican
Congress is going to get it together and get the
Trump Agenda enacted, and do so sooner rather than later.
If it doesn't get in before the July fourth holiday,
and then they all go off on break and who
knows when they come back, and will they be summoned
in to make a deal.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I don't know that I have that level of confidence,
but I guess we'll wait and see five seven, seven,
three nine.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Let's get some texts.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Ryan Michael looked up the prosecutor and found that he
did the same with a double murderer by stabbing them
a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
What the prosecutor stabbed them?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Not sure about the wording of this one. I'm a
little bit confused. Maybe clarify if you can, please, Ryan,
you're talking about coburger sentence thing. Come on, everyone knows
that no one serves their sentence fully. I'm very sad
to say that he'll probably get out in twenty years.
Cali Kuchera, I've turned to you, our legal expert.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You went to law school.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Well, it looks like he uh as part of this deal,
he has waived his right to appeal to appeal, so
that doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Whatut parole?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
It does not say anything about parole.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But I'm studying a little bit more about this, so
just give me a couple Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
If he got I'm trying to walk this through. This
is where I wish we had Brockler.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But if he gets sentenced to four consecutive life terms,
consecutive not concurrent, concurrently needs serve them all at once.
Consecutive means you serve the one, then you got three
more to go. He'd have to get paroled on every
one of those four murder counts, not just one of them.
So he'd have to hit the what is that a
superfecta of the four? What's the one after tri effecta
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superfective perfect to come on Kelly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know this horse racing.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Stuff superfected that would before Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So he needed that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Ryan and jeffco during the reign of Dave Thomas, DA
slap the hand of my daughter's rapist.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh, this is getting heavy. Hold on you.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Slow down here, wow, slap the hand of my daughter's rapist.
And to make a long story short, eventually let him
out of prison without alerting all all the rape victims
or their families. Imagine my daughter's fear when she ran
into her rapist working at a seven eleven in wheat Ridge.
Are you kidding me with this crap? The courts did
not alert her. Surprisingly, just heard that he was killed
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in a car accident. Father's Day, Happy Father's Day. Rapey guy, bye, No,
no sympathy whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I'm just trying to compare.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I don't know what the hell's going on in Colorado, Okay,
from a legal standpoint, what the soft on crime ridiculousness is.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Why it's the way that it is here.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Whenever I thought of Colorado as a Michigander growing up,
I thought, well, you know, wild.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
West Frontier justice.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You know you do something like that, You mean hanging
from a tree or you know, you know, taken out
in the okay carrel, that sort of stuff. In Michigan,
the rights of the victims are for at the forefront
of everything that they do. That I've experienced, at least,
there's a short story involving me. I think I've told
(25:58):
Kelly this one. This guy sucker punch me in a bar.
This is a long time ago. Now, I've never been
in a bar fight before or since, and not even then.
He was getting a little handsy with this female friend
of mine and she gave me this looking all right,
So I.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Tried to intervene.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And you're gonna be shocked to learn diffuse the situation
with humor. He didn't find that funny. He was a
little guy, uh, probably five' five something like, that and
she was. Tall she was at least My, Hi i'm five,'
ten so she was at least, that tall and it
was just kind of awkward, watching, him, like, ye dude
go back to, the, Shire OKAY and i.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
STEPPED in i didn't say that because.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
That might have been, fighting WORDS but i did say,
the FOLLOWING and i don't think these are fire. FIGHTING words,
i go, you know she's bigger. Than you she could take.
You out oh he didn't, like that and he popped.
Me one he, got me split me open like a
pumpkin above my right orbital bone in, my EYE and
i was just kind Of stun he, popped ME and
i caught myself on the pool table, behind Me and
i'm looking down and just crimson and clover coming out of,
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my cut, just blood dark, red blood fuddge on to,
the pool felt ruined the. POOL table i felt pretty good.
About that i'll get to that in just. A second
but come to, find out LITTLE did, i know this
little guy was a Cook at Freddy's In mount pleasant where.
This happened he worked at. This establishment he belted me.
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A customer i did not throw the. FIRST punch i
didn't challenge him to.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
A fight.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I intervened this guy was being real creepy weird with
a friend, of mine and the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
PLAYS out i was able to file a victim.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
IMPACT statement i wanted charges press HELL yeah, I did
and he was able to negotiate a plea bargain down
from aggravated assault to. Simple assault but it went on,
his record so that'll be there for the rest of
the time of that guy. STILL alive i don't know
that was like twenty three, years AGO but i know
that they had my interest. IN mine i, felt Like
and i'm far from the level of victim that we're
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talking about With this, texter's daughter which, is.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Horrifying horrifying he walked into a.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Seven eleven I'm reminded kelly Of the sopranos episode one
of the most disturbing episodes in that, serious history and
there were plenty. Of them but spoiler alert if you haven't,
seen it there's a really unsettling scene in a stairwell
Where doctor melfie gets raped and then she sees his
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image as employee of the month at the end of
this episode at a fast, food restaurant.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So very similar.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Encounter here and one of the key pivotal moments at
the end of this episode as Well was tony senses
Something's Wrong tony soprano in a therapy.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Session and she never. Told him We're all.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Kelly's watching we don't even watch, this Together but. Kelly's watching.
I'm Watching, tell Tony tell tony he will take this,
guy out and she refuses to.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Do, it well you never saw signs, of anarchy now you.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Don't know don't spoil that one for Me because i'm
only through the first couple.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Of episodes well then you saw, that episode because this
is like. Episode two, oh okay and It's the. Carney
episode That's all i'm going. To say i'm not going
to spoil it for anybody out there that hasn't all right,
very WELL but i can Report Via Fox News fox, news,
that uh it's for consecutive. Life sentences sentences easy for
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me to say without the possibility of there.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You go so he'll serve.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That out and that's the that's the, bare minimum and
it's unfortunate that it had to end, that way but
that's the way.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
It goes and there's also the victims families are hoping
that during, the sentencing when that finally does get.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Final life they can.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Give statements they can they can give victim, impact statements
but also they want him to be enjoined from writing,
any books doing anything to capitalize.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
On anything.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The murder it.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Just does see where.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
That happens the coda on my quote unquote bar.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Fight STORY so i call the owner like a couple of,
weeks later this thing's going, to Trial and i'm ASKING
that i go did you fire? This guy he wouldn't tell.
Me anything, HE goes i don't need to tell. YOU
that i don't need to visit your restaurant. Ever again
and you don't KNOW that i work at this University
and i'm going to TELL everybody i know not to go.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
There either she was a real jerk about at.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
The owner he should have, BEEN like i am, so,
sorry whatever you come, on in have a beer, on
me have a.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Free burger that.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Would have settled it. For me that would have settled. For, It,
MAYBE no i don't have to tell. You that PROBABLY
afraid i was going to lawyer up and. Sue him that's.
My thought AND maybe i. Should have you probably probably.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
Should, have, yeah, yeah okay you know too, Late now
i'm Sure quarterback tinsight's, Twenty, twenty well you.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Remember what happened to me when YOU and i went
OUT to gds.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That one we'll tell that story maybe in the next
line that. TIME out i can't believe you, Went there but,
all right, five, seven seven three nine. Year texts where
are you planning to? Watch fireworks what is your go?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
To meal the?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
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Number two your texts at, five seven seven. Three nine
frandy sends this one in all the way From, the
springs Fourth, of july working.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Till, seven well.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's, not great but you're home by the, night time
which is the right time for the fireworks and the
one you love come home and watch. The hamburgers what
come home and have hamburgers and maybe. Potato salad watch
part Of The capitol FOURTH, on pbs and that is
the great music alongside. With it a little, before nine
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go to the bluff east of my house and watch
multiple firework shows. Around town. Sounds fantastic so do you
have a go to Meal on Fourth? Of july you know,
barbecue stuff but, like you what are you?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Hankering For man burgers are a, classic stable but like
barbecue favorite, you, know ribs. Some BRISKET if i could,
do anything it'd.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Be, That, okay kelly what do you got planned for?
The fourth what's? Going on and they could share.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
A household we Are doing Derek. Cow, burgers okay.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It's hot you know it's funny you mentioned THAT because
i just HAD yah i swear an email today Asking
about derek and about his beef and they wanted to
support a. Local, rancher yeah so if you want to
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Do, that well you do that every time it's brought
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is down that reached out to don oh and you
got back. To, me okay so, all right good luck, With,
that ashley. Real Quick your Fourth of, july plans what?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Are they, you know we're still trying to figure.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
It out, we're okay we're not. Always people so we
live Up in evergreen and there's a couple. Of festivals
we'll probably try to, go early avoid, the crowds and,
then yeah watch some fireworks from.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Her DECK maybe i, love it love. That, idea now
This is georgia with you, right, Now, right yes she's my.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Assistant today she's a rocking a little.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
One getting ahead of the. Curve there now do you
think she has a future in?
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Real estate she's, pretty smart.
Speaker 12 (35:00):
Great, HOMESTAGER ooh i like that she did a horse
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Speaker 2 (35:05):
Pretty fabulous we're going to talk a lot about the
real estate market when we, come back and what's going
on Here. In colorado you sent me a list of
a lot of details out, of details a LOT that
i don't really have a firm. Grasp on so we
hope to accomplish that mission when we come back after
the break in the top of. The hour here also
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Looking At, tom holman not pleased at ALL that cnn.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
PUT this ice block app.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Out, there yeah that IDENTIFIES where ice, agents are alerts
criminal illegal aliens as TO the ice, agents whereabouts and
gives them heads up before they're about to. Be apprehended sounds.
Like fun, and now of course we've seen the liberal
talking Points About alligator alcatraz and it's a. Concentration camp
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it's hardly Anything but and Here's What tom holman had.
To say we're living in a Tent, in iraq oftentimes
with no ac in the middle. Of summer nobody complained
about that being inhumane for ME when i was serving.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The country but it's bad.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
For illegals.
Speaker 13 (36:04):
It's ridiculous long, he says the highest detentor standards in.
The industry i'll put our detensive standards gifts to any.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
State Prison any fredero.
Speaker 13 (36:12):
Correction facility we got high detensive standards At The high
cross and look Like the, president says we're talking about
people are in the country lately that are public. Safety
threads how much luxuries you want them? To, have now
this facilities is going to give exactly what the left
fists screaming about, due process, due process. Due process guess
where due process happens at this facilly because there's gonna
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be immigration judges there to hear their case and take,
their pleae and this is going to be their. Last
stop when they, leave here they'll be on a deportation
plane for.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Their homeland.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Last stop you don't have to, go home but you can't.
Stay here you could, stay HERE and i hope that.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
You do for hour.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Number two this will be my last one. The Holiday
Bryan shielding live rolls on after this
It's just like I was just here.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wait, I was selling in for Michael Brown this morning,
brief respite for the Tom Martino Show, and then bam
back I am. And this will be the last you
hear from me until after the Independence Day holiday. We'll
be venturing back to Michigan looking at some fireworks. Talked
about that a little bit this morning. If you were
along for the ride, we'll welcome back, Zach. Seekers now
(00:23):
saddling up and riding on the other side of the glass. Zach,
what are your July fourth plans if.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You have any, Probably some grilling, but keeping it easy,
keeping it mellow. I'm excited for it. Watching some fireworks
from my apartment. I've got a great like kind of
view of downtown and everything, and always I'm kind of
watching the barrage of fireworks go off.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
That's nice. As Kelly around, did she take off again?
He's playing with the squirrels. Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But the question I was asking this morning that I'll
repeat today is if you have Independence Day plans and
you would care to share them. That was kind of
a point of contention this morning as well, is whether
you're gonna give away your favorite fireworks vantage point viewing
spot because now everybody's gonna know about it, and then
everybody's gonna go there, and then they're gonna steal your
spot because you know, you gotta get there early. A
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lot of these places, you got to get there early.
You got to mark you know, your spot, your square
with a blanket and like a folding chair.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You gotta be ready.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You got a your cooler, gotta make sure people don't
steal out of your cooler.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I get it. But if you don't mind sharing the
wealth and.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The wisdom of where you decide to set up shop,
then by all means, send those along at five seven, seven,
three nine, looking forward to those lots of news breaking today.
Kelly's around, she's chasing squirrels, but she's also chasing George Brockler,
and I know.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
He was just on the show, no fooling.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But we got a couple of legal cases that basically
came to a conclusion today in one form or another.
The jury verdict in the Sean P. Diddy Puff Daddy
Comb's case. I try to as nerdy as possible whilst
saying that he was acquitted of the more serious charges
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that were pertaining to him. He was charged and convicted
of the transport of women for the purpose of prostitution,
but not the trafficking of said women. And I think
what the legal analysis that I've heard in a lot
of this was that the women of their own volition
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kind of signed up for what they were participating in.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
They were not forced against their will.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
In other words, Now there have been many reports that
they were not treated well whatsoever, but that's kind of
the cost of doing business. I don't know, I don't
really know how to read this verdict. Here's Dominic Patten,
Deadline Hollywood editor on the Sean Combs verdict.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
What does this mean now that he's able to beat
the most serious allegations he's ever faced. I mean, I
think for us you have to look at it sometimes
within two contexts here, the context of the man himself
and the context within hip hop culture. Within hip hop culture,
I think there's going to be some swagger here.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
There's also going to be some blowback.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
We've already seen Ditty's longtime rival fifty Cent already just
sing on him online, so I think that's going to
be a part of that. And there's gonna be a
lot of mixed feelings out of this, I think. I
think there are some people who always saw Ditty as
a little bit of a impersonator. Joining up with people
like Biggie Smalls gave him credibility.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
This now shows him in a very different light.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It does, and he was almost literally in the shadow
of Biggie Smalls at one time, back the notorious Big
Notorious Big, back in nineties rap days, that's before Zach
was even born.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I know you feel old now, believe me, I do too.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
But I love that fifty cent fitty sent as Rush
Limball loves saying Fitty sent. His name is the one
giving him some heat on the social media platforms. But
does this give him swagger? And pop culture? Now you
go back. You know, I've lived a long enough life,
and Kelly, you have two you look back at, like
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eighties original rap music, hip hop culture. I'm talking derivative
from Sugarhill Gang Run DMC after that. Now we're getting
to kind of the the naughty stuff, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Nwa Right, I always.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Liked rappers to like like, that's one of my favorite scenes.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yes, me too.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But you know, things got you know Luke Skywalker another
guy you know band in the USA. Yeah, and it
got really vulgar toward women.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
It was. It was extremely misogynistic music.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
But I will tell you one of the best things
that ever happened for that entire industry was Tipper Gore
when she came out with the.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Explicitly Yeah, that was a big issue.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I remember, I've mentioned this many times, Frank Zappa
coming out before he passed away from cancer and testifying
in Congress against that censorship.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
And I remember d Snyder another one.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, I tend to agree with that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know, you can't, especially in an American culture where
we have the First Amendment, you can't legislate morality. I
don't think in a lot of cases, you can tell
your kids I don't want you to listen to that music.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You can advise.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Against them purchasing the records, but a lot of times,
you know how youngsters are, that'll just make them want
to buy it more.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But to have the government or any kind of entity
come in and go, no, you.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Can't listen to this, that's what led to the song
and the video band in the USA. Let's see hear
more of what Patton had to say. Makes the comparison
to old slick Willy Bill Clinton.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I think though, what you're going to see to the
man is, you know, I hate to say this, but
in America you can just ask Bill Clinton if you
say sorry enough, eventually enough people forgive you.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Being that he can.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Now legitimately say he got off on the majority of
these counts from a prosecution who way overreached and underplayed.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Again, I don't understand why you.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Do Rico, but you only charge one guy, Like, maybe
you need to look up what Rico is to that.
I think that you were going to see how he
plays out the next few years of his career, given
or given not, whatever the prison sentence might be.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't think we've seen the end of Sean did.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
He Coombs mentioned in WA two Live Crew Luke Skywalkers,
who has talking about before you know, and they received
a lot of the street credit they're talking about. But
this is this a net negative or a net positive
for Sean Combs in pop culture, in his career, in
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his social standing, Kelly, what say you?
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Well, first of all, America is very forgiving.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's what the previous dominic Patton just said.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Yeah, so I think that you know, time will tell, obviously,
but like, I don't think it's fair to compare it
to Bill Clinton kind of a different kind of freak off.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Does did Bill Clinton really apologize? I guess he did
after the fact, But I just remember.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Ah, the non hell sexual relations, Well, he denied it
up until he couldn't deny it anymore. There was just
way too much evidence. I remember, you know, the blue
dress came out the.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Hostage video looking Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I remember that now that I think about it, where
he apologized to the American people. So does Sean Combs
need to apologize to the American people or to anybody?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, you know, he already took in his self help
books and court that was allowed so convenient.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Well, I'm just doing the work, he says, I'm just
telling you what you know was reported.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I think an apology would be wonderful to the fans
that support him. It's not my type of music, so
I really don't care what happens. But you know, there's
enough people out there that probably do want to hear that,
and then he can go on tour and do like
(08:27):
the apologies.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think somehow he might benefit from all of this.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The publicity, bad publicity is better than no publicity.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You bad boy image. He was in I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I don't think that should be the case, but I'm
trying to pretad on what will happen.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What is the reality of this and the reality of the
Brian Koberger case.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
This has gotten crazy in a very short period of time,
so crazy Nazi.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Grace had some thoughts we.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Will never know what really happened. We would learn that
at trial, but there's not going to be a trial.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
He will be forever out in the mistake, like Ted
Bundy and Rex Huerman and BTK.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I was watching this a little bit earlier and
the judge seemed to be caught off guard as well.
Now this isn't Idaho. There's a death penalty in Idaho.
It was used as a cudgel to secure this plea deal,
and it's something that we're hoping to talk with George
Brockler about because he's prosecuted these types of cases. Of course,
the Aurora Theater case, which that would be on the
table now if I recall correctly, I'm not George Brockler,
(09:25):
nor do I work on that field. But Kelly, if
you can think back, the Aurora Theater shooter originally was
sentenced to death right and then Colorado was a Hickenlooper.
They undid or softened the death penalty laws or got
rid of it or something like that.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Right, correct, it's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's an outrage, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
And this guy honestly should have gotten that death pedal.
It was so surreal, it really was.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
The judge is sitting there asking him, well, did you
kill these people if malice the forethought and all these
bad intentions. Yes, yeah, listen here, it's inexplicable to Mark
eyglarsh I think it is criminal defense attorney. So keep
in mind he's a defense attorney, so he's the type
of guy he'd be representing miscreant like cool Bander in court.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Everybody could deserves their day in court. I get it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I get that, But he did not spare the rod
for the prosecutors in this case.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Let's start with how the prosecutors never told the victims
families that this was going down, and they found out
the same way we did. I'm completely and thoroughly outraged
by that. Okay, putting that aside, what we just saw
was very typical. The judge did what every judge around
the country does whenever somebody takes a plea. They make
(10:41):
sure that the person is knowingly and intelligently and voluntarily
giving up their rights, their cherished rights to go to
trial and confront the witnesses against them, that they're doing
so knowingly and intelligently with advisive counsel, which they're satisfied.
And he indicated that he was, and there's nothing more
left to do, and nobody forced him or threatened him
(11:01):
and coerced him to do so. And the judge was
watching every word that flowed from his lips, because if
there was any hesitancy on whether he was guilty or not,
the judge would say, well, then I'm not taking your play.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We'll go to trial because you're not admitting your guilt.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
But surprisingly he said he was guilty in the same
emotion as if he'd order a sandwich.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
It was extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It was extraordinary, And I just ordered a sandwich from Potmelly.
Not to make light of this case, but I was
pretty casual about it. But that's how this psychopath was
sitting there in court. And again this was a surreal scene.
Has he just calmly admitted, one by one he murdered
all four of those young college students with all their
futures in front of them, and one of the things
(11:42):
that's drawing a lot of the ire from the victim's families.
And perhaps we'll see some kind of statement at his sentencing,
but the sentencing is pretty much secured now. He's not
going to get the death penalty, but he will be
sentenced to four consecutive life sentences, I believe, without possibility
of parole. There was also a ten year sentence tacked
(12:03):
on to that for a corresponding charge.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So there's no wiggle room here.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Even if Cobander got in front of the court and
started begging and groveling and apologizing and all of a
sudden he had found a conscience and he found God.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He found God, and.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
He's not bringing self help books in like Diddy Cohenes,
but he's bringing in the Bible, and he's you know,
he's a performed man. And if he had to do
over again, if you could just think in his right mind,
none of that will have an impact on his sentencing.
So he has no motive whatsoever to stand before the
court and really gives a statement of any kind. He
is not compelled to do. So, you know, the criminal
rights of defendants are clearly stated, and in this case
(12:39):
he's free from testifying in his own defense as to
avoid incriminating himself. And there's very little chance I think,
even if it had gone to trial, that he would
have testified in this case himself. His lawyers is almost
an automatic. You don't testify, and we're not going to
give you the prosecution a chance to cross examine you,
especially when there were some kind of fuzzy details here
(13:02):
about the surveillance video that they were able to find
and put together. The vehicle that was located wasn't really his,
the cell phone data was he where they said he
was at given times, making it not only likely but
almost certain that he was the perpetrator. And of course
he was tracked down. I believe it was in Pennsylvania,
all the way east in a vehicle with his dad.
(13:23):
Is how he was apprehended. Some really tremendous police work.
To put it mildly, here's Edwena, Elco's former county prosecutor
herself being asked about this move by the Idaho prosecutors.
Speaker 9 (13:35):
I do think that they did the right thing. Of course,
going to trial is always an unknown.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Even if he were to be convicted.
Speaker 9 (13:45):
Then the jury has to make a decision on the
penalty phase and could decide not to impose the death penalty,
and then there's decades and decades of appeals. So this
gives the families some finality. I know that, you know,
they're not some of the families are not happy about this,
But I think it was the right result in this case.
(14:08):
And everybody was shocked by it, but it was the
right result.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Kelly wasn't the right result.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And God forbid, Let's say one of these beautiful young
people was your son or daughter.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
How would you feel about how this was handled.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
One of the biggest criticisms, as Mark Eiglars pointed out,
is the prosecution didn't communicate this to the families, like, hey, look,
this is what we're going to do. There's a plea
deal in the works. We just want to let you
know ahead of time. They didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
They did not.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
It's hard for me to compare this because you know,
the argument, obviously on their side is that you have
to in a criminal trial beyond a reasonable doubt. So
was there anything that the prosecution thought would give them
reasonable doubt?
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Is that why they did this?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
But at the same time, they owed it to the
victims families to say, hey, listen, here's the problem, here's
what we're up against. Uh, you know, he's obviously gonna die.
My whole thing is release this guy into jem pop
and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It doesn't look like a very stout fellow that would.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Hold up well, and jen Pop ain't gonna happen well.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
As Edwina Elcox points out, Okay, you go to trial,
and I agree with you one hundred percent. If this
from my kid that was murdered, I want a trial.
I want him proved guilty by beyond a reasonable doubt.
I want him to be sentenced. But what you run
the risk of, especially in a jury trial, is something
comes up.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Evidence is thrown out.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Maybe it was tampered with, maybe the chain of custody
was not properly respected, maybe there's a hole in the case.
It's found somewhere by a very good defense team that's
looking for anything like that to create that reasonable doubt.
And then you're relying upon a jury. You know, are
they going to give him the full maximum sentence? And
I think the prosecutors felt like they got that here.
They got the four consecutive, meaning he'll serve one life,
(16:03):
then another, then a third, then a fourth. And I
was talking about this earlier with Dragon filling in for
Michael Brown. You know, I think there should be truth
and sentencing. So, however you would measure four Brian koch
Koebergberger lives. Say he dies at the age of seventy
seven in prison, Well, then the second life sentence he
will serve another seventy seven years. His dead body will
(16:23):
remain in that cell and rot, and then after those
seventy seven years are done, another seventy seven years are
tacked on and then he's down to bones. And then
after those seventy seven years are done, a fourth seventy
seven year sentence is served and then his bones become dust. Kelly,
does that sound fair?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
It does, But I wouldn't want to pay for it,
you see that. Well, that's why I'm a very, very
staunch supporter of the death penalty, Like I don't want
to pay for these people to be in jail for
fifty years.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's the other side of this coin, though, is let's
say he was convicted, and let's say that jury goes
You know what, this is a maniac he's a monster,
no remorse, premeditated, four murders, gruesome discovery.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
We sentence him to death. Well, then he goes on
death row.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
Yep, your tenure.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Appeal, all the appeals, the cost of that, and we're
feeding him, we're clothing. They're gonna do that anyway. But
I understand kind of both sides of this. I would
have preferred that it had gone to trial because now
it's to Nancy Grace's point, he gets to kind of
scape by and yeah, I guess I did it. Just
put me in prison. I don't want to talk about
it anymore. Don't present the evidence. But it just shows
(17:36):
you like, oh, he's willing to confess to these murders
now when the death penalty's lingering above him, but you know,
maintaining his innocence all the way up until then.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Do you think he'll pull like its head Bundy where
they study him, they should.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I mean, if he's going to be in there for
fifty plus years or you know, all of his life,
I think there's.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Something to gain for that. Have you seen is it
mind Hunter?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Yeah? A wonderful show.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's so well cast.
Speaker 10 (18:05):
It really it gets these actors that look exactly like
the serial killers that are being studied. Yeah, and the
term serial killer was not invented until the nineteen seventies
by a young, hotshot kind of detective that kind of
coined the term, and now we refer to it as that.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
But didn't it kind of start with the Bundy.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Murders before that? I mean Manson, but he was more
of a mastermind. I know, Horowitz, son of Sam in
the seventies.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
I'm Sam, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
But Bundy.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
The thing is what people don't know about Bundy, or
maybe they forget her, maybe just haven't heard. I've watched
a couple of documentaries on Ted Bundy. Did you know
he broke out of jail not once, but twice? And
where did he do it? Right here in Colorado both times?
Speaker 11 (18:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yes, Ted Bundy went on and this is really sad.
He went on to commit more murders in Florida because
the bungling bozos here in Colorado let him escape twice,
two times.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
From a law library of all things.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
They let him go into this law library in the jail,
and that's where he escaped.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Do you ever watched the sentencing of Ted Bundy by
that judge that old Southern judge. He's like, you're a
really smart guy, and I am really going to wonder
what you could have done with your life if you
hadn't chosen this path.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I have seen that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But it was an intelligent guy.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Oh, she was very intelligent.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
He was represented himself in court as his own lawyer. Yes,
what serial killer does that? That's pure psychopathic behavior right there.
Oh boy, So those two cases breaking today. He got
some news on our friend Scott Jennings coming up a
little bittersweet. I'll share that in the a little bit.
We've still got plenty to get to here in this
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Speaker 1 (21:14):
Representative. Jason Smith.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't think he's going to bust out into this
any rhymes here, but the Republican from Missouri seems to
be confident about getting the big beautiful bill across the
finish line.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Do you think that you're doing trying to cram too
much before this artificial July fourth deadline, and do you
think that it's time to go back to the negotiating
table make sure that you can get these people on
board today.
Speaker 11 (21:35):
We're going to get these people on board. They're going
to vote, vote with us. This has been a process
to the It has been a process throughout the entire timeframe.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
What I will say is is that this.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
Bill is not perfect, but we cannot allow perfession to
stand in.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Place of a great bill.
Speaker 11 (21:55):
This bill will provide the largest tax cut in US history,
the largest fending cuts in US history, the largest one
time investment in the border, creating the Golden Dome for
national security. These are all things that the President campaigned on.
No tax on tips, no tax on overtime tax, really
for seniors. Our colleagues will will come to the table
(22:16):
and they will find out the right vote is a
yes vote. Failure is not an option. I guarantee you
this will be on the President's desk one by July fourth.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well out to a great start on CNN, of course,
they're seizing and pouncing gop Stall's House action amid holdouts
on Trump megabill. Now President Trump has gotten through to
some of the kind of people that are holding out,
and that's what Ayasha Hasni was relaying there to Representative
Jason Smith based on her sources. But do you believe
(22:45):
that this will get to the President's desk symbolically by
July fourth, by Friday?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Does it matter if it does? I think it does
to a certain extent.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
There needs to be a signal cent that this Republican
Congress is going to get it together and get the
Trump Agenda enacted, and do so sooner rather than later.
If it doesn't get in before the July fourth holiday,
and then they all go off on break and who
knows when they come back, and will they be summoned
in to make a deal.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I don't know that I have that level of confidence,
but I guess we'll wait and see five seven, seven,
three nine.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Let's get some texts.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Ryan Michael looked up the prosecutor and found that he
did the same with a double murderer by stabbing them
a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
What the prosecutor stabbed them?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Not sure about the wording of this one. I'm a
little bit confused. Maybe clarify if you can, please, Ryan,
you're talking about coburger sentence thing. Come on, everyone knows
that no one serves their sentence fully. I'm very sad
to say that he'll probably get out in twenty years.
Cali Kuchera, I've turned to you, our legal expert.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You went to law school.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Well, it looks like he uh as part of this deal,
he has waived his right to appeal to appeal, so
that doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Whatut parole?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
It does not say anything about parole.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But I'm studying a little bit more about this, so
just give me a couple Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
If he got I'm trying to walk this through. This
is where I wish we had Brockler.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But if he gets sentenced to four consecutive life terms,
consecutive not concurrent, concurrently needs serve them all at once.
Consecutive means you serve the one, then you got three
more to go. He'd have to get paroled on every
one of those four murder counts, not just one of them.
So he'd have to hit the what is that a
superfecta of the four? What's the one after tri effecta
(24:37):
superfective perfect to come on Kelly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know this horse racing.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Stuff superfected that would before Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So he needed that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Ryan and jeffco during the reign of Dave Thomas, DA
slap the hand of my daughter's rapist.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh, this is getting heavy. Hold on you.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Slow down here, wow, slap the hand of my daughter's rapist.
And to make a long story short, eventually let him
out of prison without alerting all all the rape victims
or their families. Imagine my daughter's fear when she ran
into her rapist working at a seven eleven in wheat Ridge.
Are you kidding me with this crap? The courts did
not alert her. Surprisingly, just heard that he was killed
(25:14):
in a car accident. Father's Day, Happy Father's Day. Rapey guy, bye, No,
no sympathy whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I'm just trying to compare.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I don't know what the hell's going on in Colorado, Okay,
from a legal standpoint, what the soft on crime ridiculousness is.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Why it's the way that it is here.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Whenever I thought of Colorado as a Michigander growing up,
I thought, well, you know, wild.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
West Frontier justice.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You know you do something like that, You mean hanging
from a tree or you know, you know, taken out
in the okay carrel, that sort of stuff. In Michigan,
the rights of the victims are for at the forefront
of everything that they do. That I've experienced, at least,
there's a short story involving me. I think I've told
(25:58):
Kelly this one. This guy sucker punch me in a bar.
This is a long time ago. Now, I've never been
in a bar fight before or since, and not even then.
He was getting a little handsy with this female friend
of mine and she gave me this looking all right,
So I.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Tried to intervene.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And you're gonna be shocked to learn diffuse the situation
with humor. He didn't find that funny. He was a
little guy, uh, probably five' five something like, that and
she was. Tall she was at least My, Hi i'm five,'
ten so she was at least, that tall and it
was just kind of awkward, watching, him, like, ye dude
go back to, the, Shire OKAY and i.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
STEPPED in i didn't say that because.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
That might have been, fighting WORDS but i did say,
the FOLLOWING and i don't think these are fire. FIGHTING words,
i go, you know she's bigger. Than you she could take.
You out oh he didn't, like that and he popped.
Me one he, got me split me open like a
pumpkin above my right orbital bone in, my EYE and
i was just kind Of stun he, popped ME and
i caught myself on the pool table, behind Me and
i'm looking down and just crimson and clover coming out of,
(26:55):
my cut, just blood dark, red blood fuddge on to,
the pool felt ruined the. POOL table i felt pretty good.
About that i'll get to that in just. A second
but come to, find out LITTLE did, i know this
little guy was a Cook at Freddy's In mount pleasant where.
This happened he worked at. This establishment he belted me.
(27:16):
A customer i did not throw the. FIRST punch i
didn't challenge him to.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
A fight.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I intervened this guy was being real creepy weird with
a friend, of mine and the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
PLAYS out i was able to file a victim.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
IMPACT statement i wanted charges press HELL yeah, I did
and he was able to negotiate a plea bargain down
from aggravated assault to. Simple assault but it went on,
his record so that'll be there for the rest of
the time of that guy. STILL alive i don't know
that was like twenty three, years AGO but i know
that they had my interest. IN mine i, felt Like
and i'm far from the level of victim that we're
(27:51):
talking about With this, texter's daughter which, is.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Horrifying horrifying he walked into a.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Seven eleven I'm reminded kelly Of the sopranos episode one
of the most disturbing episodes in that, serious history and
there were plenty. Of them but spoiler alert if you haven't,
seen it there's a really unsettling scene in a stairwell
Where doctor melfie gets raped and then she sees his
(28:16):
image as employee of the month at the end of
this episode at a fast, food restaurant.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So very similar.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Encounter here and one of the key pivotal moments at
the end of this episode as Well was tony senses
Something's Wrong tony soprano in a therapy.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Session and she never. Told him We're all.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Kelly's watching we don't even watch, this Together but. Kelly's watching.
I'm Watching, tell Tony tell tony he will take this,
guy out and she refuses to.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Do, it well you never saw signs, of anarchy now you.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Don't know don't spoil that one for Me because i'm
only through the first couple.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Of episodes well then you saw, that episode because this
is like. Episode two, oh okay and It's the. Carney
episode That's all i'm going. To say i'm not going
to spoil it for anybody out there that hasn't all right,
very WELL but i can Report Via Fox News fox, news,
that uh it's for consecutive. Life sentences sentences easy for
(29:12):
me to say without the possibility of there.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You go so he'll serve.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That out and that's the that's the, bare minimum and
it's unfortunate that it had to end, that way but
that's the way.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
It goes and there's also the victims families are hoping
that during, the sentencing when that finally does get.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Final life they can.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Give statements they can they can give victim, impact statements
but also they want him to be enjoined from writing,
any books doing anything to capitalize.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
On anything.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The murder it.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Just does see where.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
That happens the coda on my quote unquote bar.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Fight STORY so i call the owner like a couple of,
weeks later this thing's going, to Trial and i'm ASKING
that i go did you fire? This guy he wouldn't tell.
Me anything, HE goes i don't need to tell. YOU
that i don't need to visit your restaurant. Ever again
and you don't KNOW that i work at this University
and i'm going to TELL everybody i know not to go.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
There either she was a real jerk about at.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
The owner he should have, BEEN like i am, so,
sorry whatever you come, on in have a beer, on
me have a.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Free burger that.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Would have settled it. For me that would have settled. For, It,
MAYBE no i don't have to tell. You that PROBABLY
afraid i was going to lawyer up and. Sue him that's.
My thought AND maybe i. Should have you probably probably.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
Should, have, yeah, yeah okay you know too, Late now
i'm Sure quarterback tinsight's, Twenty, twenty well you.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Remember what happened to me when YOU and i went
OUT to gds.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That one we'll tell that story maybe in the next
line that. TIME out i can't believe you, Went there but,
all right, five, seven seven three nine. Year texts where
are you planning to? Watch fireworks what is your go?
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frandy sends this one in all the way From, the
springs Fourth, of july working.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Till, seven well.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's, not great but you're home by the, night time
which is the right time for the fireworks and the
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go to the bluff east of my house and watch
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barbecue stuff but, like you what are you?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
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barbecue favorite, you, know ribs. Some BRISKET if i could,
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Be, That, okay kelly what do you got planned for?
The fourth what's? Going on and they could share.
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got back. To, me okay so, all right good luck, With,
that ashley. Real Quick your Fourth of, july plans what?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Are they, you know we're still trying to figure.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
It out, we're okay we're not. Always people so we
live Up in evergreen and there's a couple. Of festivals
we'll probably try to, go early avoid, the crowds and,
then yeah watch some fireworks from.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Her DECK maybe i, love it love. That, idea now
This is georgia with you, right, Now, right yes she's my.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Assistant today she's a rocking a little.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
One getting ahead of the. Curve there now do you
think she has a future in?
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Real estate she's, pretty smart.
Speaker 12 (35:00):
Great, HOMESTAGER ooh i like that she did a horse
room on one of my last listings and it was.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Pretty fabulous we're going to talk a lot about the
real estate market when we, come back and what's going
on Here. In colorado you sent me a list of
a lot of details out, of details a LOT that
i don't really have a firm. Grasp on so we
hope to accomplish that mission when we come back after
the break in the top of. The hour here also
(35:25):
Looking At, tom holman not pleased at ALL that cnn.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
PUT this ice block app.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Out, there yeah that IDENTIFIES where ice, agents are alerts
criminal illegal aliens as TO the ice, agents whereabouts and
gives them heads up before they're about to. Be apprehended sounds.
Like fun, and now of course we've seen the liberal
talking Points About alligator alcatraz and it's a. Concentration camp
(35:52):
it's hardly Anything but and Here's What tom holman had.
To say we're living in a Tent, in iraq oftentimes
with no ac in the middle. Of summer nobody complained
about that being inhumane for ME when i was serving.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The country but it's bad.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
For illegals.
Speaker 13 (36:04):
It's ridiculous long, he says the highest detentor standards in.
The industry i'll put our detensive standards gifts to any.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
State Prison any fredero.
Speaker 13 (36:12):
Correction facility we got high detensive standards At The high
cross and look Like the, president says we're talking about
people are in the country lately that are public. Safety
threads how much luxuries you want them? To, have now
this facilities is going to give exactly what the left
fists screaming about, due process, due process. Due process guess
where due process happens at this facilly because there's gonna
(36:33):
be immigration judges there to hear their case and take,
their pleae and this is going to be their. Last
stop when they, leave here they'll be on a deportation
plane for.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Their homeland.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Last stop you don't have to, go home but you can't.
Stay here you could, stay HERE and i hope that.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
You do for hour.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Number two this will be my last one. The Holiday
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