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Then, Darrell Hammond, legendary Saturday Night Live cast member, is coming to Comedy Works South in the Landmark at Greenwood Village this weekend. He joins Ryan to discuss his upcoming performances and reflect upon his remarkable career as an impressionist in sketch comedy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Andrew Kosinski of k File is here with the new
images of Trump and Epstein, and Andrew I shared one
of them there. But so let's start with the one
at Trump's wedding. I mean this is a significant development.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Trump's wedding to Marlon Maples in nineteen ninety three was
dubbed the wedding of the Century by the media at
the time. And although we know that Trump and Epstein
were friends during this period, this is really the first
time that it's actually been reported that Trump invited Epstein
to his wedding. He says, we should note more than
a decade before those first allegations of sex trafficking against Epstein,
(00:35):
But as you know, Trump's relationship with Epstein has been
under the microscope recently. Now, besides that one photo of
Epstein entering the reception at the Plaza Hotel, we can
also see him in the background of another picture. That's
Howard Stern on the far right along with Robin Leech
from Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, and Epstein is
behind them at the wedding, almost seeming to be a
(00:56):
photo bombing them. We also found this photo from just
a few months earlier, Donald Trump with two of his
children talking to Jeffrey Epstein. That's at the opening of
the Harley Davidson Cafe in New York in October nineteen
ninety three. You can see Avana there if she would
have been just about to turn twelve years old in
that photo.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Back here, Ryan Schuling, Li've taking your text at five
seven seven three nine, so as you take all of
what you just heard into context. Ivanka Trump twelve years
old in nineteen ninety three. Hey, Zach, how old were
you in nineteen ninety three? Do the math negative sick
negative six in nineteen ninety three? Wow? You see, Kelly
(01:36):
would have been twenty one, having your first drink somewhere
legally anyway, Right, that's not about right, Kel nineteen ninety three, Yeah, no, right,
you're on produced campus, living it up, having a good time. Yeah,
boozin here and there.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Sure didn't graduate till ninety four.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So in nineteen ninety three years truly, I was turning nineteen.
So for Trump's I think it was that summer, as
I recalled, this was some wife number two, Marla Maples.
I would have been still eighteen and coming out of
my freshman year. At Michigan State. I'm fifty years old,
(02:14):
so just kind of get that out in the open.
I'll do some more math in a moment on this.
But the question I raised for you to consider at
this moment, why is this song coming out just now
thirty two years later, nearly a third of a century later.
Now there are these new photos at Trump's wedding. It
looks like Jeffrey Epstein is photo bombing with Howard Stern
(02:36):
and Robin Leech. And that tells you something right there.
At one time, Howard Stern was kissing the rear end
of Donald Trump every single time he came on Howard
Stern's program, did Trump? He was one of Howard's favorite guests.
You can't fool me with this crap. Oprah Winfrey adored
Donald Trump until she didn't. And who changed? Was it
(02:59):
Trump that changed?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Donald Trump is Donald Trump, it's Oprah, it's Howard. And
then once Trump accumulated political capital and power and became
President of the United States and was doing things that
they didn't like or agree with, all of a sudden,
now he is the second coming of Satan. I want
to take this brief time up because in hour number one.
We had that conversation with Jimmy Sangeberger about his hero,
(03:22):
his mentor, and it was a really good conversation. I
invite you to read his article on it, and you
could find out more at the Gazette. Rip ed Fulmer
regis educated conservative pioneer. He was the founder of the
Heritage Foundation, and he really is in the pantheon of
greats of twentieth and twenty first century voices of conservatism
and comes from right here in Colorado. And Jimmy had
(03:44):
some nice personal anecdotes along those lines. And it takes
me to this because we all remember that one teacher
who made a big difference in your life, who believed
in us, but challenged us or just made learning fun
for me. It was my jim teacher slash baseball coach
Joe beckdel grass like high school. He knew the kids
that needed a pat on the back or a kick
(04:05):
in the butt, and I was not one that really
needed the latter. I was very hard on myself, my
own worst critic. He sensed that, and I was one
of the guys, you know, come on, Julie, and you can
do this. And of course he made an impression on
me to this day, I carry forward the lessons that
I learned from him in athletics, but also in the classroom.
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(04:47):
to you, Zach, do you have a teacher that stands
out that really influenced and impacted you? Maybe is whether
you're sitting there today or not.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Yeah, I wouldn't be sitting here without doc Ci from
my high school. She got me set up in the
in the media game, and I've been.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Following that path ever since. Sometimes it only takes that
one person, though, right, that one voice, that one connection,
that one bond. What was it about your teacher that
really stood out to you?
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Motivated us to always be writing, made us write one
thing a week. And here I was thinking I was
out smart in her writing football stuff. And then She
was like, hey, you're pretty good at this. You should
you give it a go. The belief in us and
the pushing us to always be creative. You know, you
keep working at it.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I know you're focused on sports writing and so a
lot of what you do. But did she try to
push your boundaries your comfort zone, say, write about something else,
maybe other than sports. Were you kind of challenged in
that way? Certainly?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
But then she also had connections in sports media and
set me up there and helped me actually get my
first ever internship, and you know, rest is history.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That's awesome. Thanks for sharing that, Zach Now Kelly. Who
was your favorite teacher growing up? It could be elementary school,
middle school, high school, Purdue. I had a couple.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
So in elementary school actually junior high, we call it
junior high. It's like seventh eighth grade, missus Cook. He
was an English teacher, and she really got me to
appreciate literature and read things that were past, you know,
(06:22):
maybe somebody in seventh or eighth grade would normally read.
The other person that really moved me was mister Scott Massey.
He was the swimming coach and I was the only
diver in high school.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You've we've talked about this.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
And I was the one person that would go to
different invitationals and dive and win the swim you know,
team some points and they were able to actually move
up the ranks, and he very much motivated me to
do that, and to this day, I still hold the record.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Very nice at my high school. Wow, I didn't know that.
I learned something new about Kelly Coucia today formerly known
as Kelly Root in those days, Kelly Root the root
of all evil?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Did you ever go by that? Moniker did?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And Rude Vega that was a big book root.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Beer, root Beer. I just had one. Thanks for that.
By the way, zero sugar an w folks, I'm not
paid for that endorsement. I'm just telling you what I
had to drink for me in high school especially, it
was my English teachers, Missus Bromley, Ms. Carvian On. Miss
Carbonon wrote a letter recommendation for me to get into
Northwestern and I was accepted. I didn't end up going there.
(07:40):
One of the worst mistakes in my life. I think
what I didn't know is Northwestern is a very difficult
school to get into. Kelly, as you know, it's producer
very tough too, by the way, especially for non athlete
like myself. It's a private school, but it's a great
broadcasting school. And what I didn't know. You know, I'm
seventeen going into my freshman year because my birthdays in
late September was once you're in, they don't like student attrition.
(08:03):
They want to keep their graduation rates intact. So a
school like Northwestern is going to do everything they can
to make sure you don't flunk out or if you
have problems, to get you tutoring and all that. So
I just felt, I don't know, a little overwhelmed. I
showed up at orientation. I remember this would have been
summer of ninety two, and I'm green behind the gills
a little like that, just like, uh, and there's these
(08:26):
really wealthy kids. I mean a lot of very rich
kids go to Northwestern. I'm from Podunk Grass Lake. You know,
I come from nothing. And this girl asked what kind
of car I drive?
Speaker 5 (08:34):
It?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh, you mean the one I borrow from my parents sometimes.
It's in nineteen eighty five celebrity station wagon, silver and black.
It kind of looks like the DeLorean from Back to
the Future. That's cool. No, No, I just didn't feel
like I fit in. I don't know, but what I
did learn through Missus Brownley was also my English teacher
in ninth grade, and then your book Supervisor work Ethic,
(08:55):
that sort of thing things that Zach was talking about.
But Kelly, you mentioned something that triggered that memory for me.
Of all the reading I had to do with the novels,
I read a lot of Stephen King Huckleberry Finn, which
liberal teachers are trying to ban, liberal administrators trying to
ban in public schools. That's ridiculous. It's an American classic.
It should be in the curriculum. Also, when I got
(09:18):
to college, I punished myself. I was an English miner
to read things like Madame Bovary.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Oh, that's oh, a very bad memory. No, for me,
it was the Bronte Sisters. She Missus Cooke introduced me
to the Bronte Sisters. But I will tell you something
very interesting about Purdue In nineteen ninety when I went there,
they did not recognize AP exams, and I took three.
(09:48):
I took AP German, I took AP History, and I
took AP English and they did not offer credit for those.
So I ended up having to do like the equivalent
of English one oh one, Introduction to History, and then
my favorite, after taking four years and taking the AP
(10:09):
exam for German, I had to do German one oh one.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And I remember.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Maybe this guy was a good dude, I don't know.
I literally told him, this is way past what I'm
If I just show up on the first day, I'll
do the labs. Can I come from the midterm and
the final exam? And him and I had this agreement,
and he said sure because he knew that I had
(10:39):
taken the AP and I got four on AP German,
which is not easy to do out of five. So
I literally did that. Everybody hated me in the class
because I totally blew the curve and you're one of
those and I never I got one hundred percent on
the midterm. I got one hundred percent in the final.
(11:01):
I did go to the stupid lab things where he
had to like listen to something for forty five minutes
or whatever Spanish. But yeah, but the nineteen ninety one
Perdue started giving credit for AP oh.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I was like daylight dollar short for you. Yeah, yeah,
yeah suck if you have a teacher out there, kind
of following up on that theme that influenced, impacted you
want to hear about that five seven, seven, three nine,
and a reminder to stay tuned. Darryl Hammond, legendary cast
member of Saturday Night Live, famous for his impressions of
everybody from Sean Connery on the Celebrity Jeopardy where Alex
(11:42):
Trebek was portrayed by Will Ferrell. One of the iconic
sketches I've pulled from to introduce him coming up at
the bottom of the hour was Burt Reynolds as portrayed
by Norm MacDonald. Just a classic sketch right there, and
also his impersonations of political figures from Bill Clinton and
Al Gore to Donald Trump and Dick she all over
the map. I don't know that we have enough time.
I'd like to do like a two hour podcast with
(12:04):
Daryl Hammond, but it'll be your chance to win passes
to see him at Comedy Works South coming up. You
will have that opportunity to win, So stay tuned. All
right back to the issue at hand. With the clip
that you heard as we introduced the segment, this from
a Texter saying Ivanka Trump was born in eighty one,
she would have been twelve in that picture. I believe
the clip you play he mistakenly said, Ivanna, I do
that from time to time too. And I think Andrew
(12:25):
Kazinski may have said that we're going back in time,
especially for Kelly and me, because Zach wasn't really around
to the nineties. Remember the nineties, Well, Daryl Hammond was
a big deal in the nineties. He picked up the
baton on portraying Bill Clinton from Phil Hartman, who sadly
passed away far too so soon. He was murdered by
his wife. Just terrible set of circumstances there. But he
(12:46):
left SNL a few years before that, and so Hammond
came in, took the opportunity, and Phil Hartman did a
remarkable Bill Clinton impression, as you might recall, but Darryl
Hammond's is it's equal or better. And that's high praise
because I love him both. But now we move on, Kasinski,
we're going from nineteen ninety three to ninety nine, but
we're still in the last millennium. So I'm not sure
(13:08):
why this is all breaking now.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
These are never before seen photos. Andrew, I know you
also found some video of Trump and Epstein that was from.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Later that of them talking.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That has also never surfaced before.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
What's that, Well, that's right. This is from six years later,
in nineteen ninety nine. This video has never been seen
before in this context. It shows Trump talking to Jeffrey
Epstein just before models hit the runway at the Victoria
Secret fashion show in New York in nineteen ninety nine.
You know, the only other video we've seen of the
two men was seven years before this. Trump is at
(13:45):
the show with Milania, who is of course now first Lady,
seated a few feet away from Epstein. You can see
them chatting during the show as well. Allegations that Epstein
sexually abused under age worlds didn't surface until two thousand
and five, years after after this video was shot.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Key point right there, two thousand and five. That doesn't
mean it all started in five you know, I don't
believe that necessarily, but this is all circumstantial Trump being
in the same place at the same time. Epstein made
a habit of rubbing elbows with the rich and famous.
This is kind of his m throughout the nineties. There's
no indication as to how well Trump knew Epstein posing
for photos talking on a video. I don't see that
(14:24):
as irrefutable proof that Trump did anything wrong. But Kazinski
then placed a call to the Orange Man himself, and
here's how that went.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Andrew, when you get all this and all of this,
I just want to emphasize, right, it has not been
seen before. So you actually called President Trump. You called
him directly to ask him about this.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, we were not on the phone very long. I
think our call is about thirty seconds or so. But
when I asked him about the wedding photo, he said,
he sort of paused for a second and then said,
you've got to be kidding me, before calling CNN fake
news and then hanging up on me. Now, in a
statement to CNN, White House communications director Stephen Chunk said this.
He said, these are nothing more than out of context
(15:05):
frame grabs of innocuous videos and pictures of widely attended
events to disgustingly infer something nefarious. The fact is that
President the President kicked him out of his club for
being a quote, creep.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now, we'll get back to that last point right there,
which is true. Once Trump found out any of this
was going on, Jeffrey Epstein reportedly made a pass at
the fourteen year old daughter of a dignitary that was
at mar Lago. That was it, that was over. Trump
banned him from the premises. But the fact that they're
grasping at straws with this kind of ancient information going
(15:39):
back to the nineties tells you that they don't have
the goods, because if they did have the goods, they
would have brought forward the goods and used the goods
against Donald Trump. There would have been nothing stopping them.
Look at the lawfare over the last year and everything
they were grasping at there. This would have been far
more solid, far more damaging, far more damning of Donald Trump.
And yet they didn't do it. Do you think they
(16:01):
held back?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And once again, this from about five six years ago,
six years ago, July twenty nineteen. This is Bradley Edwards,
victim's lawyer for many of those who were targeted by Epstein.
He represented them, and this is what he had to
say about Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
The only thing that I can say about President Trump
is that he is the only person who in two
thousand and nine, when I served a lot of subpoenas
on a lot of people, or at least gave notice
to some pretty connected people, that I was going that
I wanted to talk to them. He is the only
person who picked up the phone and said, let's just talk.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I'll give you as much time as you want. I'll
tell you what you need to know, and was very
helpful in the.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Information that he gave and gave no indication whatsoever that
he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good
information that checked out and that helped us, and that
we didn't have.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
To take a deposition him. I was in two thousand
and nine. I was in two thousand and nine, two
thousand and nine. A couple of different points to be
made here, and one is Donald Trump didn't have to
make that phone call. He could have hidden behind lawyers
heard a little bit about that recently in Colorado politics,
haven't we and decided that it wasn't in his best
interest to get involved. Even if he wasn't involved, He
(17:21):
didn't necessarily have to call provide information rap people out.
But he did that. He offered that up and he
was the only one to do that without a subpoena.
Why would he do that without a subpoena if he
had anything to hire, there was anything that was going
to boomerang back on him. That would have been some
gall and audacity, and I just don't think it really
came to that. So you see a lot of this
(17:42):
focus on CNN at the moment. It's very interesting to
watch the dueling headlines here between CNN on my left,
appropriately so and Fox News on my right, appropriately so.
Mike Lawler, representative from the State of New York Republican
is no. I'm with Jake Tappert right now saying that.
I mean, there are a lot of House Republicans. Marjorie
Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert, even who's a close ally friend
(18:03):
of the president, just earned his endorsement. We talked about
that on the show yesterday with her, but she wants
more to be revealed about the Epstein files. And it
does beg the question for those that are critics of
Donald Trump, and I would put myself in this category
on this issue because it's maddening to me. It's frustrating
to me that all of the anecdotal evidence shows that
Trump has nothing to hide, so why would he be
(18:25):
protecting anybody else? To me, it's like, let the chips
fall where they may. And if there are people that
maybe they're friends of Trump that got too close to Epstein,
that want to Lolita Island, that were on the flight logs,
that were participating in this awfulness, then they should be
held to account for that. Kelly, I'll ask you this,
Why do you think Trump is playing it this way?
Why are they dragging their feet on the Epstein files
(18:48):
and just coming clean with whatever they can?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Well, I think there's both parties on both sides, you
know what I'm saying. There are some Dems on there,
there's some Republicans on their He's doing this as some
sort of a ploy to try to garner some sort of.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Entry into I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I mean, there could be people on there that are
in Congress right now and he kind of needs he
doesn't have. He's this very narrow gap of people that
are trying to pass resolutions that will work for him.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
If that's if that's something motivating him.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
But it's not a great look. It's not what is
a good look Because Daryl Hammond impersonating Donald Trump, and
you'll hear special footage from way back when or he
shared the stage at Saturday Night Live with Donald Trump himself.
It's hilarious. We'll have some highlights from Darryl Hammond's career
at SNL coming up next, and a conversation with Daryl
(19:53):
Hammond himself. Your chance to win tickets to see him
at Comedy Works South this weekend.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
Before we begin the double Jeopardy round, I'd like to
ask our contestants once again, please refrain from using ethnic slurs.
That said, let's take a look at the scores. Sean
Connery has set a new Jeopardy record with negative two
hundred and thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
I think you're pretty smart, don't you trap back well
with your daggo marstache?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Are you greedy?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Look?
Speaker 8 (20:32):
What did I just say about ethnic slurs? Let's just
go to animal sounds for six hundred. This is the
sound a doggy makes, mister.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
Connery move, No, well, lash the shawn your mother made
last night.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Okay, that's not necessary.
Speaker 10 (21:00):
Agree with Governor Bouch on that, and I commend him
for it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But let me add something. Let me add something.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
In my plan, the lock box would also be camouflaged
now to all outward appearances. It would be a leather
bound edition at the Count of Monte Cristo by Alexander Dumas,
but it wouldn't be It would be the lock box norm.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
Director Roland Emeric's film Independence Day tells the story tells
the story of a young, idealistic, compassionate president who's facing
a crisis, frustrated in his personal life and unable to
realize his vision for the country.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Due to a hostile Congress.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
But suddenly everything turns around and he's able to achieve
true greatness. One aliens invade Earth on a helicopter crash.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Kills his watch. I love this movie, right O. Hey,
you've crossed the line. I've killed people.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Fulss looks like you killed a squirrel to me and
put it right on top of your head.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You're one to talk. Your hair looks exactly like mine. Yeah,
except my hair is supposed to look like this. I'm
a janitor, one of the all time greats. On Saturday
Night Live, joining us now, and he's coming to Comedy
Work South Friday, Saturday and Sunday. You can find out
more at comedyworks dot com. Joining us. Daryl Hammond on
(22:46):
Ryan Schuling Live. Daryl, thank you so much for taking
the time.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Oh man, thank you so much, and thank you for
putting those clips together.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Been a while.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
It was a while before I could actually enjoy listening
to anything I ever did it. And you know, lately
I've been hearing some stuff and it wasn't half bad,
was it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, Daryl, I want to talk to you about that,
because when I was putting that together, the thing that
stood out to me were the quiet moments, meaning you
weren't delivering a punchline. It was just your manner, like
when you had that pause with Al Gore for it,
and then also with Bill Clinton, just a look on
your face or just a word in passing, and the
audience reacted to that. Did you notice that in the moment.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, I mean there was a time when we realized
there were certain things that you could do with each character.
What we could you know, you call them a hook
and so you know, once we had it out there
a couple of times and it went well. A couple
of times, we had a couple of hooks, and so
we'd never never.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Stopped doing them, you know, Daryl, you mentioned the.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Facial thing with Clinton was something I developed at the
Comedy Cellar in New York City, and I guess I
did about three hundred sets without Gore, you know, Gore
was I couldn't get people to laugh at Gore until
that first two thousand debate, and then suddenly we had
a hook, you know, overbearing school teacher, and we had
(24:12):
a way to play it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
You know, something that stood out to me about what
you just said prior to that, Daryl, was that you
don't go back and watch your old stuff, or you
haven't been able to, or you didn't want to. Why
is that your your own worst credits something like that.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
It's something along those lines. But when I watch I
remember very well stuff that I was trying to do
that I didn't do. Now. Granted, it looks like the
sketches goes pretty well, but there were some things that
I you know, I mean, as Lauren says, the show
(24:49):
goes on because it's eleven thirty now, because it's ready.
So you always I always look at that in retrospect
and say, jee, I wish I had a little bit
more time with that one, but you know, that's part
of the game.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Legendary SNL cast member only Keenan Thompson has served longer
than Darryl Hammond, and yes, that means he was on
the program longer than Tim Meadows. That was a running
punchline for a time as well. Darryl Hammond coming to
Comedy Works South Friday at seven pm, two shows Saturday,
six and eight thirty pm, and then one show on
Sunday at five pm. Stay tuned for your chance to
win tickets. Shortly, Darryl, I want to go back to
(25:21):
your impersonation of Sean Connery, his consistent appearances on so
called Celebrity Jeopardy with Will Ferrell portraying Alex Trebek. I
happened to go to a taping of Jeopardy one night
and Alex Trebeck was taking questions from the audience, and
I asked him about the sketch and whether or not
he had seen it, if he had talked to Will
Ferrell about it, and he said no, I have not
met Will, but I love it. And just for the record,
(25:44):
I don't have a problem with Sean Connery. Can you
take us through the formation of that idea and how
it developed into a sketch And did you ever encounter
Sean Connery and talk to him about your impression of him.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I never encountered Sean Connery. I heard him talking about
me once on the tonight show and he was favorable.
But you know, the thing with all of those we
call them impressions, but they're more like characters, because you know,
I discovered if I could, I could, I could get
bigger laughs if I exaggerated stuff, you know, So the whole,
(26:20):
the whole, Sean Connery and the Gore. I mean, that's
those are caricatures instead of the sort of dead on
impressions you might see like in a Vegas tribute act.
But anyway, the I was in my office middle of
the night, didn't have anything. I was working on impression
of Sean Connery from Jeopard, from Jeopard or excuse me,
(26:42):
the Untouchables, and I was doing lines in the Untouchables
like you know.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I'm not proposal Martage. You know you don't have to
think about it, gnawed right.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Will Ferrell's across the hall working on Alex Trebeck.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
It was just like that.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I turned to him and I said, I'm not a
friend of the lady for Beck. You know what I
mean thereby cementing my only niss in Western civilization. I
always knowing it now for something, but I didn't think
you would be famous to douse for five pouss.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know, can you take us through the chemistry, because
the one that stands out the most to me and
I pulled from it, that was that iconic moment where
you're going back and forth with Will Ferrell astra Beck.
But then you also have the great Norm m MacDonald as
Burt Reynolds. And that's cracking me up, just that synergy
that happens, Darryl, when you find that mix that works,
(27:34):
that chemistry and a sketch like that, what that feeling
is like, and when you knew you had it.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I never knew I had it. But you know, as
I look back and see some of the sketches, now
I see that I had some pretty good moments out there.
But that's you know, that's that's the Saturday Night Live cauldron.
That's the melting pot that's over there that no one
completely understands, I guess, but Lauren Michelson, you know, those
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writers that wrote those sketches want each multiple emmys. I mean,
all I had to do was say the words and
do like an exaggeration of Sean Connery, which you know
I tried to do.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Darryl Hammond joining us here on Ryan Schuling Live. He
is at Comedy Work South right here at the Landmark
in Greenwood Village this weekend Friday at seven, Saturday at six,
and eight thirty Sunday at five. Your chance to win
passes still straight ahead, Darrel. You've done these famous impersonations.
We talk about Sean Connery, but also in the political sphere,
Al Gore dead on. That debate was, in and of
(28:38):
itself a landmark achievement, I think in SNL's sketch history.
And then of course Bill Clinton. You took the baton
from Phil Hartman. Those were big shoes to Phil, because
Phil did such a great job in it, but if anything,
you took it and ran with it. It's probably your
most memorable impression. For those out there that have watched you,
how did that come to be? And how did you
(29:00):
relate that to the actor you're talking about caricatures, to
Bill Clinton himself? What did you draw from him that
really hit home.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Well? With Clinton? I was living in Hell's Kitchen. I
remember this because I remember the site of the sounds
of Hell's Kitchen. You hear at night, and I'd be
sitting in there listen to recordings of Bill Clinton and
not able to do him at all because something was
really bothering about me. From the very beginning, something was bothering,
but the main the first thing was the vowel sounds.
(29:31):
I couldn't. I didn't understand the vowels until I looked
at him up and I saw that Arkansas was above Louisiana,
and it's likely there was a French you know dialect
down you know by that buy you dialect that filtered
up into Arkansas that made his peculiar o's and he
sounds right. But the thing that bugged me from the
beginning was I thought that he was doing somebody. And
(29:55):
it turns out, you know, his idol was JFK, and
he was doing he was deriving, let's say, from JFK.
Now this is not baseball players do it. Everyone does
it that we admire someone like I derived from Richard Pryor,
we derived from stuff, so it's not a pathological thing.
(30:16):
But what I noticed was he was putting commas in
the logical places, which you know, I mean, I don't
want to be too dull here, but I got a
copy of JFK's inaugural address, and sure enough, JFK was
doing the same thing. And then once I knew Clinton's
you know his inspiration is amused. Then I could move forward,
(30:40):
and then I also had the vowel sounds. But it
took it took me a few months.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Incredible insight from Darryl Hammond.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Because he's a complicated dude.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
You know, they all are really in their own ways,
really complicated.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Was that your favorite impression to do Bill Clinton?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Now, I guess towards the end it had to be
because we were starting to put him in and musicals
and drawing room comedies and all sorts of like off
the wall stuff like him and Monica having conversations with
Saddam Hussein.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
And it's sort of the SNL brand, which is silly
but smart, right, silly and smart, And I don't know
if people consciously strive for But as I look back
over the years, some of the stuff that Adam McKay
wrote for me, and Team Ifey wrote for me, and
Seth Meyers wrote for me, I mean, good god, incredible stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Now, Darryl, looking back, there's one other impersonation that you
did that drew a lot of traction, and it's the
current President of the United States, Donald Trump. In fact,
you appeared in several sketches with him when he would
guest host on the program. What was that experience like
and what was it like to work with President Trump
behind the scenes? How was he personally with you?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
I enjoyed my time with him. He was very curious
and very insightful, and he worked really hard, and he
didn't see that braggadocio thing that people sort of associate
with him. He was there and he told me one
day that I said, why do you come? You come
later and you stay later and come earlier than anyone ever.
(32:30):
He said, well, listen, I can't act. So I got
to figure out a way to be funny out here,
you know, with words that somebody else wrote. And he goes,
I think, what I'm going to do is I'm going
to add lib paraphrase once in a while, like I'll
say something off script. And I thought, you know, it
(32:52):
worked because you realize the more authentic you are, the
funnier you are. And so he sort of intuitively understood that,
and you know, sure enough he went out and had
a really great show. But the thing about doing a
guy with the guy is the second they walk out,
they change, got it. They're not talking, They're not talking
(33:16):
the way they were talking a few minutes ago down
on the floor. When they see you doing them face
to face, they change, and then you have to change
with them. And then all of a sudden there's the
static electricity of two people trying to not be what,
you know, what they were a few minutes ago. You know,
I did my best with that, but he came out
(33:37):
there with a whole new speech pattern but threw me
off quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Finally, Daryl, we're so appreciative of your time today. When
people come out to see you at Comedy Works South
this weekend, what can they expect.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Well, I like to put in all the stuff that
I did on SNL that was half way interesting, and
you know, I'll put in some stuff about the fiftieth
and some stuff about Pam Bond. They will go to
Trump Town a little bit, but we'll do the other stuff.
I mean, when you come out there, people want to
see those characters. You know, they don't want to you know,
(34:10):
it's like if you went to the Rolling Stones and
they started playing jazz, You're like, no, that's not it.
I don't want to hear jazz. I want to hear
a start me up, right, So you got to you know,
it's you gotta do a little bit of a balance act.
But Denver is that I believe the best two comedy
clubs in the world, downtown and out in the country,
(34:31):
and you know you never want to miss a chance
to play there.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
He is one of the all time greats of Saturday
Night Live, and he'll bring those characters to life once
again this weekend. It Comedy Works South. Stay tuned for
your chance to win. The great Darryl Hammond joining us
here on Ryan Schuling Live. Darryl, thank you so much,
best of luck going forward. That's such a pleasure.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Ryan, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
All Right, Kelly, do you have a question for our
listeners to win?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
We do?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Okay, go go for it?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Okay iconic actor did Darryl portray on SNL Celebrity Jeopardy?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh okay, that's an easy one. That's a layup. Five
seven seven three nine. Text me your first name and
last a phone number where you can be reached and
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Your chance to win free pass. It's a here the
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the radio, Daryl Hammond, Aaron Ryan Schuling live back to
(35:29):
wrap it up and announce our winner. After this, Darryl Hammond,
what are the all time greats on Saturday Night Live?
I add that to my pantheon of interviews. I interviewed
Tim Meadows not that long ago. He would be another
one of those. But Daryl Hammond, for my money, as
Bill Clinton is as good as it gets, and as
Sean Connery, that was the correct answer to Kelly's question.
(35:51):
Celebrity Jeopardy. He was appearing there on multiple occasions with
Will Ferrell as Alex Trebek.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Will, we had some winners.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Two winners. Let's say we do put him out in
the ether.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
We have Jonathan Turner, Congratulations, she's Jonathan, well done. You're
going to go to the Saturday six o'clock show.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's correct.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And we have Alexa who is going to go Friday
at seven pm.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Alexa Murray Friday seven pm. Cong congratulations to her as well,
and any thoughts from the interview we did with Daryl
that stood out to you, Kelly quickly in the thirty seconds,
we have left. Oh, he's just.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
A great guy. I mean, first of all, he just
seems very down to earth. It was very interesting the
take you had with him and not seeing his older work.
But I'm glad that he kind of explained that.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
So yeah, he al said that up. Yeah, it was
very interesting to me, and I get it. An artist,
you know, he's always going to look at what he created.
I could have done this differently, I should have done
this there and his meticulous preparation for those impressions were
as were the reason why they were as good as
they were. So Daryl Hammond, don't forget this weekend comedy
works South. I'll be going as well. That'll do it
for me from here for now. Ryan Shuling Live rolls
(37:02):
on tomorrow's Talk to You and then
Andrew Kosinski of k File is here with the new
images of Trump and Epstein, and Andrew I shared one
of them there. But so let's start with the one
at Trump's wedding. I mean this is a significant development.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Trump's wedding to Marlon Maples in nineteen ninety three was
dubbed the wedding of the Century by the media at
the time. And although we know that Trump and Epstein
were friends during this period, this is really the first
time that it's actually been reported that Trump invited Epstein
to his wedding. He says, we should note more than
a decade before those first allegations of sex trafficking against Epstein,
(00:35):
But as you know, Trump's relationship with Epstein has been
under the microscope recently. Now, besides that one photo of
Epstein entering the reception at the Plaza Hotel, we can
also see him in the background of another picture. That's
Howard Stern on the far right along with Robin Leech
from Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, and Epstein is
behind them at the wedding, almost seeming to be a
(00:56):
photo bombing them. We also found this photo from just
a few months earlier, Donald Trump with two of his
children talking to Jeffrey Epstein. That's at the opening of
the Harley Davidson Cafe in New York in October nineteen
ninety three. You can see Avana there if she would
have been just about to turn twelve years old in
that photo.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Back here, Ryan Schuling, Li've taking your text at five
seven seven three nine, so as you take all of
what you just heard into context. Ivanka Trump twelve years
old in nineteen ninety three. Hey, Zach, how old were
you in nineteen ninety three? Do the math negative sick
negative six in nineteen ninety three? Wow? You see, Kelly
(01:36):
would have been twenty one, having your first drink somewhere
legally anyway, Right, that's not about right, Kel nineteen ninety three, Yeah, no, right,
you're on produced campus, living it up, having a good time. Yeah,
boozin here and there.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Sure didn't graduate till ninety four.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So in nineteen ninety three years truly, I was turning nineteen.
So for Trump's I think it was that summer, as
I recalled, this was some wife number two, Marla Maples.
I would have been still eighteen and coming out of
my freshman year. At Michigan State. I'm fifty years old,
(02:14):
so just kind of get that out in the open.
I'll do some more math in a moment on this.
But the question I raised for you to consider at
this moment, why is this song coming out just now
thirty two years later, nearly a third of a century later.
Now there are these new photos at Trump's wedding. It
looks like Jeffrey Epstein is photo bombing with Howard Stern
(02:36):
and Robin Leech. And that tells you something right there.
At one time, Howard Stern was kissing the rear end
of Donald Trump every single time he came on Howard
Stern's program, did Trump? He was one of Howard's favorite guests.
You can't fool me with this crap. Oprah Winfrey adored
Donald Trump until she didn't. And who changed? Was it
(02:59):
Trump that changed?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Donald Trump is Donald Trump, it's Oprah, it's Howard. And
then once Trump accumulated political capital and power and became
President of the United States and was doing things that
they didn't like or agree with, all of a sudden,
now he is the second coming of Satan. I want
to take this brief time up because in hour number one.
We had that conversation with Jimmy Sangeberger about his hero,
(03:22):
his mentor, and it was a really good conversation. I
invite you to read his article on it, and you
could find out more at the Gazette. Rip ed Fulmer
regis educated conservative pioneer. He was the founder of the
Heritage Foundation, and he really is in the pantheon of
greats of twentieth and twenty first century voices of conservatism
and comes from right here in Colorado. And Jimmy had
(03:44):
some nice personal anecdotes along those lines. And it takes
me to this because we all remember that one teacher
who made a big difference in your life, who believed
in us, but challenged us or just made learning fun
for me. It was my jim teacher slash baseball coach
Joe beckdel grass like high school. He knew the kids
that needed a pat on the back or a kick
(04:05):
in the butt, and I was not one that really
needed the latter. I was very hard on myself, my
own worst critic. He sensed that, and I was one
of the guys, you know, come on, Julie, and you can
do this. And of course he made an impression on
me to this day, I carry forward the lessons that
I learned from him in athletics, but also in the classroom.
So now's your chance to say thank you. With Iheartradios
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(04:47):
to you, Zach, do you have a teacher that stands
out that really influenced and impacted you? Maybe is whether
you're sitting there today or not.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Yeah, I wouldn't be sitting here without doc Ci from
my high school. She got me set up in the
in the media game, and I've been.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Following that path ever since. Sometimes it only takes that
one person, though, right, that one voice, that one connection,
that one bond. What was it about your teacher that
really stood out to you?
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Motivated us to always be writing, made us write one
thing a week. And here I was thinking I was
out smart in her writing football stuff. And then She
was like, hey, you're pretty good at this. You should
you give it a go. The belief in us and
the pushing us to always be creative. You know, you
keep working at it.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I know you're focused on sports writing and so a
lot of what you do. But did she try to
push your boundaries your comfort zone, say, write about something else,
maybe other than sports. Were you kind of challenged in
that way? Certainly?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
But then she also had connections in sports media and
set me up there and helped me actually get my
first ever internship, and you know, rest is history.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That's awesome. Thanks for sharing that, Zach Now Kelly. Who
was your favorite teacher growing up? It could be elementary school,
middle school, high school, Purdue. I had a couple.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
So in elementary school actually junior high, we call it
junior high. It's like seventh eighth grade, missus Cook. He
was an English teacher, and she really got me to
appreciate literature and read things that were past, you know,
(06:22):
maybe somebody in seventh or eighth grade would normally read.
The other person that really moved me was mister Scott Massey.
He was the swimming coach and I was the only
diver in high school.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You've we've talked about this.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
And I was the one person that would go to
different invitationals and dive and win the swim you know,
team some points and they were able to actually move
up the ranks, and he very much motivated me to
do that, and to this day, I still hold the record.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Very nice at my high school. Wow, I didn't know that.
I learned something new about Kelly Coucia today formerly known
as Kelly Root in those days, Kelly Root the root
of all evil?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Did you ever go by that? Moniker did?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And Rude Vega that was a big book root.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Beer, root Beer. I just had one. Thanks for that.
By the way, zero sugar an w folks, I'm not
paid for that endorsement. I'm just telling you what I
had to drink for me in high school especially, it
was my English teachers, Missus Bromley, Ms. Carvian On. Miss
Carbonon wrote a letter recommendation for me to get into
Northwestern and I was accepted. I didn't end up going there.
(07:40):
One of the worst mistakes in my life. I think
what I didn't know is Northwestern is a very difficult
school to get into. Kelly, as you know, it's producer
very tough too, by the way, especially for non athlete
like myself. It's a private school, but it's a great
broadcasting school. And what I didn't know. You know, I'm
seventeen going into my freshman year because my birthdays in
late September was once you're in, they don't like student attrition.
(08:03):
They want to keep their graduation rates intact. So a
school like Northwestern is going to do everything they can
to make sure you don't flunk out or if you
have problems, to get you tutoring and all that. So
I just felt, I don't know, a little overwhelmed. I
showed up at orientation. I remember this would have been
summer of ninety two, and I'm green behind the gills
a little like that, just like, uh, and there's these
(08:26):
really wealthy kids. I mean a lot of very rich
kids go to Northwestern. I'm from Podunk Grass Lake. You know,
I come from nothing. And this girl asked what kind
of car I drive?
Speaker 5 (08:34):
It?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh, you mean the one I borrow from my parents sometimes.
It's in nineteen eighty five celebrity station wagon, silver and black.
It kind of looks like the DeLorean from Back to
the Future. That's cool. No, No, I just didn't feel
like I fit in. I don't know, but what I
did learn through Missus Brownley was also my English teacher
in ninth grade, and then your book Supervisor work Ethic,
(08:55):
that sort of thing things that Zach was talking about.
But Kelly, you mentioned something that triggered that memory for me.
Of all the reading I had to do with the novels,
I read a lot of Stephen King Huckleberry Finn, which
liberal teachers are trying to ban, liberal administrators trying to
ban in public schools. That's ridiculous. It's an American classic.
It should be in the curriculum. Also, when I got
(09:18):
to college, I punished myself. I was an English miner
to read things like Madame Bovary.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Oh, that's oh, a very bad memory. No, for me,
it was the Bronte Sisters. She Missus Cooke introduced me
to the Bronte Sisters. But I will tell you something
very interesting about Purdue In nineteen ninety when I went there,
they did not recognize AP exams, and I took three.
(09:48):
I took AP German, I took AP History, and I
took AP English and they did not offer credit for those.
So I ended up having to do like the equivalent
of English one oh one, Introduction to History, and then
my favorite, after taking four years and taking the AP
(10:09):
exam for German, I had to do German one oh one.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And I remember.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Maybe this guy was a good dude, I don't know.
I literally told him, this is way past what I'm
If I just show up on the first day, I'll
do the labs. Can I come from the midterm and
the final exam? And him and I had this agreement,
and he said sure because he knew that I had
(10:39):
taken the AP and I got four on AP German,
which is not easy to do out of five. So
I literally did that. Everybody hated me in the class
because I totally blew the curve and you're one of
those and I never I got one hundred percent on
the midterm. I got one hundred percent in the final.
(11:01):
I did go to the stupid lab things where he
had to like listen to something for forty five minutes
or whatever Spanish. But yeah, but the nineteen ninety one
Perdue started giving credit for AP oh.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I was like daylight dollar short for you. Yeah, yeah,
yeah suck if you have a teacher out there, kind
of following up on that theme that influenced, impacted you
want to hear about that five seven, seven, three nine,
and a reminder to stay tuned. Darryl Hammond, legendary cast
member of Saturday Night Live, famous for his impressions of
everybody from Sean Connery on the Celebrity Jeopardy where Alex
(11:42):
Trebek was portrayed by Will Ferrell. One of the iconic
sketches I've pulled from to introduce him coming up at
the bottom of the hour was Burt Reynolds as portrayed
by Norm MacDonald. Just a classic sketch right there, and
also his impersonations of political figures from Bill Clinton and
Al Gore to Donald Trump and Dick she all over
the map. I don't know that we have enough time.
I'd like to do like a two hour podcast with
(12:04):
Daryl Hammond, but it'll be your chance to win passes
to see him at Comedy Works South coming up. You
will have that opportunity to win, So stay tuned. All
right back to the issue at hand. With the clip
that you heard as we introduced the segment, this from
a Texter saying Ivanka Trump was born in eighty one,
she would have been twelve in that picture. I believe
the clip you play he mistakenly said, Ivanna, I do
that from time to time too. And I think Andrew
(12:25):
Kazinski may have said that we're going back in time,
especially for Kelly and me, because Zach wasn't really around
to the nineties. Remember the nineties, Well, Daryl Hammond was
a big deal in the nineties. He picked up the
baton on portraying Bill Clinton from Phil Hartman, who sadly
passed away far too so soon. He was murdered by
his wife. Just terrible set of circumstances there. But he
(12:46):
left SNL a few years before that, and so Hammond
came in, took the opportunity, and Phil Hartman did a
remarkable Bill Clinton impression, as you might recall, but Darryl
Hammond's is it's equal or better. And that's high praise
because I love him both. But now we move on, Kasinski,
we're going from nineteen ninety three to ninety nine, but
we're still in the last millennium. So I'm not sure
(13:08):
why this is all breaking now.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
These are never before seen photos. Andrew, I know you
also found some video of Trump and Epstein that was from.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Later that of them talking.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That has also never surfaced before.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
What's that, Well, that's right. This is from six years later,
in nineteen ninety nine. This video has never been seen
before in this context. It shows Trump talking to Jeffrey
Epstein just before models hit the runway at the Victoria
Secret fashion show in New York in nineteen ninety nine.
You know, the only other video we've seen of the
two men was seven years before this. Trump is at
(13:45):
the show with Milania, who is of course now first Lady,
seated a few feet away from Epstein. You can see
them chatting during the show as well. Allegations that Epstein
sexually abused under age worlds didn't surface until two thousand
and five, years after after this video was shot.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Key point right there, two thousand and five. That doesn't
mean it all started in five you know, I don't
believe that necessarily, but this is all circumstantial Trump being
in the same place at the same time. Epstein made
a habit of rubbing elbows with the rich and famous.
This is kind of his m throughout the nineties. There's
no indication as to how well Trump knew Epstein posing
for photos talking on a video. I don't see that
(14:24):
as irrefutable proof that Trump did anything wrong. But Kazinski
then placed a call to the Orange Man himself, and
here's how that went.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Andrew, when you get all this and all of this,
I just want to emphasize, right, it has not been
seen before. So you actually called President Trump. You called
him directly to ask him about this.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, we were not on the phone very long. I
think our call is about thirty seconds or so. But
when I asked him about the wedding photo, he said,
he sort of paused for a second and then said,
you've got to be kidding me, before calling CNN fake
news and then hanging up on me. Now, in a
statement to CNN, White House communications director Stephen Chunk said this.
He said, these are nothing more than out of context
(15:05):
frame grabs of innocuous videos and pictures of widely attended
events to disgustingly infer something nefarious. The fact is that
President the President kicked him out of his club for
being a quote, creep.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now, we'll get back to that last point right there,
which is true. Once Trump found out any of this
was going on, Jeffrey Epstein reportedly made a pass at
the fourteen year old daughter of a dignitary that was
at mar Lago. That was it, that was over. Trump
banned him from the premises. But the fact that they're
grasping at straws with this kind of ancient information going
(15:39):
back to the nineties tells you that they don't have
the goods, because if they did have the goods, they
would have brought forward the goods and used the goods
against Donald Trump. There would have been nothing stopping them.
Look at the lawfare over the last year and everything
they were grasping at there. This would have been far
more solid, far more damaging, far more damning of Donald Trump.
And yet they didn't do it. Do you think they
(16:01):
held back?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And once again, this from about five six years ago,
six years ago, July twenty nineteen. This is Bradley Edwards,
victim's lawyer for many of those who were targeted by Epstein.
He represented them, and this is what he had to
say about Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
The only thing that I can say about President Trump
is that he is the only person who in two
thousand and nine, when I served a lot of subpoenas
on a lot of people, or at least gave notice
to some pretty connected people, that I was going that
I wanted to talk to them. He is the only
person who picked up the phone and said, let's just talk.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I'll give you as much time as you want. I'll
tell you what you need to know, and was very
helpful in the.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Information that he gave and gave no indication whatsoever that
he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good
information that checked out and that helped us, and that
we didn't have.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
To take a deposition him. I was in two thousand
and nine. I was in two thousand and nine, two
thousand and nine. A couple of different points to be
made here, and one is Donald Trump didn't have to
make that phone call. He could have hidden behind lawyers
heard a little bit about that recently in Colorado politics,
haven't we and decided that it wasn't in his best
interest to get involved. Even if he wasn't involved, He
(17:21):
didn't necessarily have to call provide information rap people out.
But he did that. He offered that up and he
was the only one to do that without a subpoena.
Why would he do that without a subpoena if he
had anything to hire, there was anything that was going
to boomerang back on him. That would have been some
gall and audacity, and I just don't think it really
came to that. So you see a lot of this
(17:42):
focus on CNN at the moment. It's very interesting to
watch the dueling headlines here between CNN on my left,
appropriately so and Fox News on my right, appropriately so.
Mike Lawler, representative from the State of New York Republican
is no. I'm with Jake Tappert right now saying that.
I mean, there are a lot of House Republicans. Marjorie
Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert, even who's a close ally friend
(18:03):
of the president, just earned his endorsement. We talked about
that on the show yesterday with her, but she wants
more to be revealed about the Epstein files. And it
does beg the question for those that are critics of
Donald Trump, and I would put myself in this category
on this issue because it's maddening to me. It's frustrating
to me that all of the anecdotal evidence shows that
Trump has nothing to hide, so why would he be
(18:25):
protecting anybody else? To me, it's like, let the chips
fall where they may. And if there are people that
maybe they're friends of Trump that got too close to Epstein,
that want to Lolita Island, that were on the flight logs,
that were participating in this awfulness, then they should be
held to account for that. Kelly, I'll ask you this,
Why do you think Trump is playing it this way?
Why are they dragging their feet on the Epstein files
(18:48):
and just coming clean with whatever they can?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Well, I think there's both parties on both sides, you
know what I'm saying. There are some Dems on there,
there's some Republicans on their He's doing this as some
sort of a ploy to try to garner some sort of.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Entry into I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I mean, there could be people on there that are
in Congress right now and he kind of needs he
doesn't have. He's this very narrow gap of people that
are trying to pass resolutions that will work for him.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
If that's if that's something motivating him.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
But it's not a great look. It's not what is
a good look Because Daryl Hammond impersonating Donald Trump, and
you'll hear special footage from way back when or he
shared the stage at Saturday Night Live with Donald Trump himself.
It's hilarious. We'll have some highlights from Darryl Hammond's career
at SNL coming up next, and a conversation with Daryl
(19:53):
Hammond himself. Your chance to win tickets to see him
at Comedy Works South this weekend.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
Before we begin the double Jeopardy round, I'd like to
ask our contestants once again, please refrain from using ethnic slurs.
That said, let's take a look at the scores. Sean
Connery has set a new Jeopardy record with negative two
hundred and thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
I think you're pretty smart, don't you trap back well
with your daggo marstache?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Are you greedy?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Look?
Speaker 8 (20:32):
What did I just say about ethnic slurs? Let's just
go to animal sounds for six hundred. This is the
sound a doggy makes, mister.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
Connery move, No, well, lash the shawn your mother made
last night.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Okay, that's not necessary.
Speaker 10 (21:00):
Agree with Governor Bouch on that, and I commend him
for it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But let me add something. Let me add something.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
In my plan, the lock box would also be camouflaged
now to all outward appearances. It would be a leather
bound edition at the Count of Monte Cristo by Alexander Dumas,
but it wouldn't be It would be the lock box norm.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
Director Roland Emeric's film Independence Day tells the story tells
the story of a young, idealistic, compassionate president who's facing
a crisis, frustrated in his personal life and unable to
realize his vision for the country.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Due to a hostile Congress.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
But suddenly everything turns around and he's able to achieve
true greatness. One aliens invade Earth on a helicopter crash.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Kills his watch. I love this movie, right O. Hey,
you've crossed the line. I've killed people.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Fulss looks like you killed a squirrel to me and
put it right on top of your head.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You're one to talk. Your hair looks exactly like mine. Yeah,
except my hair is supposed to look like this. I'm
a janitor, one of the all time greats. On Saturday
Night Live, joining us now, and he's coming to Comedy
Work South Friday, Saturday and Sunday. You can find out
more at comedyworks dot com. Joining us. Daryl Hammond on
(22:46):
Ryan Schuling Live. Daryl, thank you so much for taking
the time.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Oh man, thank you so much, and thank you for
putting those clips together.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Been a while.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
It was a while before I could actually enjoy listening
to anything I ever did it. And you know, lately
I've been hearing some stuff and it wasn't half bad,
was it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, Daryl, I want to talk to you about that,
because when I was putting that together, the thing that
stood out to me were the quiet moments, meaning you
weren't delivering a punchline. It was just your manner, like
when you had that pause with Al Gore for it,
and then also with Bill Clinton, just a look on
your face or just a word in passing, and the
audience reacted to that. Did you notice that in the moment.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, I mean there was a time when we realized
there were certain things that you could do with each character.
What we could you know, you call them a hook
and so you know, once we had it out there
a couple of times and it went well. A couple
of times, we had a couple of hooks, and so
we'd never never.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Stopped doing them, you know, Daryl, you mentioned the.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Facial thing with Clinton was something I developed at the
Comedy Cellar in New York City, and I guess I
did about three hundred sets without Gore, you know, Gore
was I couldn't get people to laugh at Gore until
that first two thousand debate, and then suddenly we had
a hook, you know, overbearing school teacher, and we had
(24:12):
a way to play it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
You know, something that stood out to me about what
you just said prior to that, Daryl, was that you
don't go back and watch your old stuff, or you
haven't been able to, or you didn't want to. Why
is that your your own worst credits something like that.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
It's something along those lines. But when I watch I
remember very well stuff that I was trying to do
that I didn't do. Now. Granted, it looks like the
sketches goes pretty well, but there were some things that
I you know, I mean, as Lauren says, the show
(24:49):
goes on because it's eleven thirty now, because it's ready.
So you always I always look at that in retrospect
and say, jee, I wish I had a little bit
more time with that one, but you know, that's part
of the game.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Legendary SNL cast member only Keenan Thompson has served longer
than Darryl Hammond, and yes, that means he was on
the program longer than Tim Meadows. That was a running
punchline for a time as well. Darryl Hammond coming to
Comedy Works South Friday at seven pm, two shows Saturday,
six and eight thirty pm, and then one show on
Sunday at five pm. Stay tuned for your chance to
win tickets. Shortly, Darryl, I want to go back to
(25:21):
your impersonation of Sean Connery, his consistent appearances on so
called Celebrity Jeopardy with Will Ferrell portraying Alex Trebek. I
happened to go to a taping of Jeopardy one night
and Alex Trebeck was taking questions from the audience, and
I asked him about the sketch and whether or not
he had seen it, if he had talked to Will
Ferrell about it, and he said no, I have not
met Will, but I love it. And just for the record,
(25:44):
I don't have a problem with Sean Connery. Can you
take us through the formation of that idea and how
it developed into a sketch And did you ever encounter
Sean Connery and talk to him about your impression of him.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I never encountered Sean Connery. I heard him talking about
me once on the tonight show and he was favorable.
But you know, the thing with all of those we
call them impressions, but they're more like characters, because you know,
I discovered if I could, I could, I could get
bigger laughs if I exaggerated stuff, you know, So the whole,
(26:20):
the whole, Sean Connery and the Gore. I mean, that's
those are caricatures instead of the sort of dead on
impressions you might see like in a Vegas tribute act.
But anyway, the I was in my office middle of
the night, didn't have anything. I was working on impression
of Sean Connery from Jeopard, from Jeopard or excuse me,
(26:42):
the Untouchables, and I was doing lines in the Untouchables
like you know.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I'm not proposal Martage. You know you don't have to
think about it, gnawed right.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Will Ferrell's across the hall working on Alex Trebeck.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
It was just like that.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I turned to him and I said, I'm not a
friend of the lady for Beck. You know what I
mean thereby cementing my only niss in Western civilization. I
always knowing it now for something, but I didn't think
you would be famous to douse for five pouss.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know, can you take us through the chemistry, because
the one that stands out the most to me and
I pulled from it, that was that iconic moment where
you're going back and forth with Will Ferrell astra Beck.
But then you also have the great Norm m MacDonald as
Burt Reynolds. And that's cracking me up, just that synergy
that happens, Darryl, when you find that mix that works,
(27:34):
that chemistry and a sketch like that, what that feeling
is like, and when you knew you had it.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I never knew I had it. But you know, as
I look back and see some of the sketches, now
I see that I had some pretty good moments out there.
But that's you know, that's that's the Saturday Night Live cauldron.
That's the melting pot that's over there that no one
completely understands, I guess, but Lauren Michelson, you know, those
(28:02):
writers that wrote those sketches want each multiple emmys. I mean,
all I had to do was say the words and
do like an exaggeration of Sean Connery, which you know
I tried to do.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Darryl Hammond joining us here on Ryan Schuling Live. He
is at Comedy Work South right here at the Landmark
in Greenwood Village this weekend Friday at seven, Saturday at six,
and eight thirty Sunday at five. Your chance to win
passes still straight ahead, Darrel. You've done these famous impersonations.
We talk about Sean Connery, but also in the political sphere,
Al Gore dead on. That debate was, in and of
(28:38):
itself a landmark achievement, I think in SNL's sketch history.
And then of course Bill Clinton. You took the baton
from Phil Hartman. Those were big shoes to Phil, because
Phil did such a great job in it, but if anything,
you took it and ran with it. It's probably your
most memorable impression. For those out there that have watched you,
how did that come to be? And how did you
(29:00):
relate that to the actor you're talking about caricatures, to
Bill Clinton himself? What did you draw from him that
really hit home.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Well? With Clinton? I was living in Hell's Kitchen. I
remember this because I remember the site of the sounds
of Hell's Kitchen. You hear at night, and I'd be
sitting in there listen to recordings of Bill Clinton and
not able to do him at all because something was
really bothering about me. From the very beginning, something was bothering,
but the main the first thing was the vowel sounds.
(29:31):
I couldn't. I didn't understand the vowels until I looked
at him up and I saw that Arkansas was above Louisiana,
and it's likely there was a French you know dialect
down you know by that buy you dialect that filtered
up into Arkansas that made his peculiar o's and he
sounds right. But the thing that bugged me from the
beginning was I thought that he was doing somebody. And
(29:55):
it turns out, you know, his idol was JFK, and
he was doing he was deriving, let's say, from JFK.
Now this is not baseball players do it. Everyone does
it that we admire someone like I derived from Richard Pryor,
we derived from stuff, so it's not a pathological thing.
(30:16):
But what I noticed was he was putting commas in
the logical places, which you know, I mean, I don't
want to be too dull here, but I got a
copy of JFK's inaugural address, and sure enough, JFK was
doing the same thing. And then once I knew Clinton's
you know his inspiration is amused. Then I could move forward,
(30:40):
and then I also had the vowel sounds. But it
took it took me a few months.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Incredible insight from Darryl Hammond.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Because he's a complicated dude.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
You know, they all are really in their own ways,
really complicated.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Was that your favorite impression to do Bill Clinton?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Now, I guess towards the end it had to be
because we were starting to put him in and musicals
and drawing room comedies and all sorts of like off
the wall stuff like him and Monica having conversations with
Saddam Hussein.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
And it's sort of the SNL brand, which is silly
but smart, right, silly and smart, And I don't know
if people consciously strive for But as I look back
over the years, some of the stuff that Adam McKay
wrote for me, and Team Ifey wrote for me, and
Seth Meyers wrote for me, I mean, good god, incredible stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Now, Darryl, looking back, there's one other impersonation that you
did that drew a lot of traction, and it's the
current President of the United States, Donald Trump. In fact,
you appeared in several sketches with him when he would
guest host on the program. What was that experience like
and what was it like to work with President Trump
behind the scenes? How was he personally with you?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
I enjoyed my time with him. He was very curious
and very insightful, and he worked really hard, and he
didn't see that braggadocio thing that people sort of associate
with him. He was there and he told me one
day that I said, why do you come? You come
later and you stay later and come earlier than anyone ever.
(32:30):
He said, well, listen, I can't act. So I got
to figure out a way to be funny out here,
you know, with words that somebody else wrote. And he goes,
I think, what I'm going to do is I'm going
to add lib paraphrase once in a while, like I'll
say something off script. And I thought, you know, it
(32:52):
worked because you realize the more authentic you are, the
funnier you are. And so he sort of intuitively understood that,
and you know, sure enough he went out and had
a really great show. But the thing about doing a
guy with the guy is the second they walk out,
they change, got it. They're not talking, They're not talking
(33:16):
the way they were talking a few minutes ago down
on the floor. When they see you doing them face
to face, they change, and then you have to change
with them. And then all of a sudden there's the
static electricity of two people trying to not be what,
you know, what they were a few minutes ago. You know,
I did my best with that, but he came out
(33:37):
there with a whole new speech pattern but threw me
off quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Finally, Daryl, we're so appreciative of your time today. When
people come out to see you at Comedy Works South
this weekend, what can they expect.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Well, I like to put in all the stuff that
I did on SNL that was half way interesting, and
you know, I'll put in some stuff about the fiftieth
and some stuff about Pam Bond. They will go to
Trump Town a little bit, but we'll do the other stuff.
I mean, when you come out there, people want to
see those characters. You know, they don't want to you know,
(34:10):
it's like if you went to the Rolling Stones and
they started playing jazz, You're like, no, that's not it.
I don't want to hear jazz. I want to hear
a start me up, right, So you got to you know,
it's you gotta do a little bit of a balance act.
But Denver is that I believe the best two comedy
clubs in the world, downtown and out in the country,
(34:31):
and you know you never want to miss a chance
to play there.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
He is one of the all time greats of Saturday
Night Live, and he'll bring those characters to life once
again this weekend. It Comedy Works South. Stay tuned for
your chance to win. The great Darryl Hammond joining us
here on Ryan Schuling Live. Darryl, thank you so much,
best of luck going forward. That's such a pleasure.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Ryan, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
All Right, Kelly, do you have a question for our
listeners to win?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
We do?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Okay, go go for it?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Okay iconic actor did Darryl portray on SNL Celebrity Jeopardy?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh okay, that's an easy one. That's a layup. Five
seven seven three nine. Text me your first name and
last a phone number where you can be reached and
which show you want to go to. It's either Friday
at seven, Saturday at six, Saturday at eight thirty, or
Sunday at five. Send it along five seven, seven three nine.
Your chance to win free pass. It's a here the
guy and see the guy that you just heard on
the radio, Daryl Hammond, Aaron Ryan Schuling live back to
(35:29):
wrap it up and announce our winner. After this, Darryl Hammond,
what are the all time greats on Saturday Night Live?
I add that to my pantheon of interviews. I interviewed
Tim Meadows not that long ago. He would be another
one of those. But Daryl Hammond, for my money, as
Bill Clinton is as good as it gets, and as
Sean Connery, that was the correct answer to Kelly's question.
(35:51):
Celebrity Jeopardy. He was appearing there on multiple occasions with
Will Ferrell as Alex Trebek.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Will, we had some winners.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Two winners. Let's say we do put him out in
the ether.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
We have Jonathan Turner, Congratulations, she's Jonathan, well done. You're
going to go to the Saturday six o'clock show.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's correct.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And we have Alexa who is going to go Friday
at seven pm.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Alexa Murray Friday seven pm. Cong congratulations to her as well,
and any thoughts from the interview we did with Daryl
that stood out to you, Kelly quickly in the thirty seconds,
we have left. Oh, he's just.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
A great guy. I mean, first of all, he just
seems very down to earth. It was very interesting the
take you had with him and not seeing his older work.
But I'm glad that he kind of explained that.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
So yeah, he al said that up. Yeah, it was
very interesting to me, and I get it. An artist,
you know, he's always going to look at what he created.
I could have done this differently, I should have done
this there and his meticulous preparation for those impressions were
as were the reason why they were as good as
they were. So Daryl Hammond, don't forget this weekend comedy
works South. I'll be going as well. That'll do it
for me from here for now. Ryan Shuling Live rolls
(37:02):
on tomorrow's Talk to You and then
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