May 30, 2025 • 37 mins
Deborah Flora and Christian Toto join Ryan for Friday's installment of 'The Right Side of Hollywood,' beginning with a breakdown of Paul Reubens in his own words, with the documentary 'Pee Wee Herman as Himself.' Ryan reflects on his childhood memories of the 80s pop culture icon, as well as legal battles over indecent exposure and obscene materials found in his home.
Sex and the City is back, whether anyone wanted it or not, in the form of the series reboot 'And Just Like That,' along with the sex scene nobody wanted between Cynthia Nixon's character Miranda and Rosie O'Donnell playing a lesbian virgin nun named 'Mary.' One question: 'Why?'
Adam Carolla goes off on a rant about Trump's 'no tax on tips' policy within the 'Big, Beautiful Bill,' as both Deborah and Christian offer their thoughts on the culture of tipping and whether it's gone too far.
Plus, 'Friday Fool of the Week' nominees: James Comey, Michelle Obama, and Joy Behar.
Sex and the City is back, whether anyone wanted it or not, in the form of the series reboot 'And Just Like That,' along with the sex scene nobody wanted between Cynthia Nixon's character Miranda and Rosie O'Donnell playing a lesbian virgin nun named 'Mary.' One question: 'Why?'
Adam Carolla goes off on a rant about Trump's 'no tax on tips' policy within the 'Big, Beautiful Bill,' as both Deborah and Christian offer their thoughts on the culture of tipping and whether it's gone too far.
Plus, 'Friday Fool of the Week' nominees: James Comey, Michelle Obama, and Joy Behar.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
It's Friday in Denver, and that means it's time once
again for the Right Side of Hollywood with award winning
filmmaker Deborah Flora and Christian Toto of Hollywood in Toto
on the intersection of pop culture, entertainment and politics in
America right here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
CA's what, I'm having a party and you're invited.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's weird to be in this situation having a documentary made.
Because I'm used to having control of my alter ego.
I wanted to be a performance artist. I could show
you my characters out of nowhere pee wee Herman popped
out of me.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
The audience ate it up and went crazy. When I
first saw Paul as Pe, I was like, who's this
little man? This bow Tide and why is he throwing
fifty rolls at people? Hollywould have taken notice, meaning how
could they not?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I remember thinking this is going to be really good.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
There wasn't like a moment in the eighties that was
a super cool to be me and then dark music.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Bump bump bumbo.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I lost control of my anonymity that it was devastating.
I don't want to come off like a victim in
some way. I kept who I was a secret for
a really long time. I hid behind an alter ego.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Today's secret.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
What is fine?
Speaker 7 (01:38):
I want kids to learn not only is being different, Okay,
let's celebrate it, but I want that not just for you,
but for myself.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Death is just so final. To be able to get
your message in at the last minute is incredible to me.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
Long he was so private it was challenging for him
to do the documentary, but he took.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
A leap of pain. He wanted people to see who
he was as Paul.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
All these different emotions, all these different influences and factors.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I was like a good vessel for it all.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm gonna leave out the part where we did enormous
amounts of drugs. Oh I didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
The voice of Paul Rubens and Pee Wee Hermann featured
in Pee Wee as himself, the Paul Rubins documentary, which
is making waves on HBO Cinemax. It premiered at the
Sundance Film Festival. And for people of a certain age,
and I would say a very specific age. So if
you're between about forty five and fifty five and you
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were kind of a later gen X grew up in
the eighties. This is my wheelhouse, Pee Wee Herman was
it for a moment in time. Culturally, in terms of
pop culture in the United States, there was nobody bigger
than Pee Wee Herman. With Pee's Big Adventure they filmed
in nineteen eighty five and through his television show that
aired on Saturday mornings, my brother and I never missed it.
(03:21):
We loved it. We loved Pee Wee Herman. And this
story as told by the director Matt Wolfe, was a
constant struggle between the director and Paul Rubens himself, which
he was a very complex individual. He wanted to tell
this story, but he wanted to tell it his way,
and you could tell not having that ultimate absolute control
over his character his story that really bothered him. And
(03:44):
we start the right side of Hollywood with Deborah Flora
Christian Toto talking about this Now I've watched in its entirety.
I'm not sure if you guys have seen anything beyond
the trailers that I've sent you, But Debra, I'll go
to you first. In terms of Paul Rubins, pee Wee
Herman a very unique individual. I don't think that can
be contested.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Without a doubt. I think it's very interesting.
Speaker 8 (04:03):
How he talked about he stayed the character actually tried
to hide who he was in person. And I was
sharing with Christian before we started the show that having
lived in La my temporary and sanity period as a
Colorado resident, I met many comedians, many comedy writers, and
really many of the most brilliant ones were almost manic depressive.
(04:25):
It's like that two faces of theater. You see one
that's crying and one that's laughing. And you would see
that wo in Robin Williams. You'd see that in many others,
and so many of these characters and individuals are very complex.
I would probably put Paul Rubens in that category. And
I think that the sad part is if someone is
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creating art and they don't drag in their own personal
lives and viewpoints, as happens all too often now, it
would be nice if you know, to be honest, I
just don't care about their personal lives. Let them live
their personal lives. But obviously that was very hard for him.
So I think he's just an interesting characteristic. And then
I would say the other side of what you said.
As a documentarian, my husband, I've made documentaries. We've had
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very famous people ask us to make documentaries of their lives,
and we always had to say to them with the
understanding that we have to able to tell the whole story.
And nine out of ten times they will say no,
and that's their right. That's their right. But I do
think that, you know, there was some courage on Paul's
part in his latter days to be willing to do that,
even if he was uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
There was a time there was a big controversy, and
these are addressed in the documentary, although not directly by
Paul Rubins himself until a recording at the end spoiler alert.
But I've seen the whole thing and it just mesmerized me,
in which he wanted to make sure to get down
on audio exactly what he thought of two episodes. There
was the theater, the infamous episode, the adult Theater, and
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that was adjudicated. He ended up pleading no contests and
to charges that he was in possession. This is the
one that really bothered me of child pornography, and the
least how it was presented the documentary, and what I
believe to be true is that what he possessed was
kind of old school homo erotic art that was not
depicting children. He did not prey upon children. He was
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at an adult movie theater for its And like Debri
just said, what Paul Rubins did in his personal private time,
I don't think he had any bearing on pee Wee Herman,
the character, the product he produced for kids. My brother
and I loved it. We were not adversely affected by it.
I thought it was unique and its humor, it's appeal
to youngsters. But Christian, is there anybody whose legacy is
so complicated in the sense that we didn't really know
(06:34):
Paul Rubins. We knew pee Wee Herman his alter ego,
and that's the only version of him that was presented
to the public. And I don't know that I can
think of anybody else, at least in our lifetime, that
was like that.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The name that just came to my mind is Bill
Cosby and A very dark, twisted, terrible Night, where we
thought of him as this ultimate dad, the family man,
and of course his real life was far different. But yet,
you know, pee Wee Paul Rubins was really talented and
had some other roles of consequence, but you really couldn't
escape that and I think in this last few years
(07:06):
he did a movie I think for Netflix and kind
of you know, brought the character back.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I just it is interesting that.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Sometimes in certain situations a character an actor can't avoid
that that he's so identified Gilligan. Bob Denver comes to mind. Yeah,
and he did Doobey Gillis before then. But just I mean,
the type casting was so severe, but also was because
he was so good at it, because it was so
perfectly attuned to his skills, and because it was beloved.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I mean, who would run away from that legacy.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's a lovely legs and it.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Gave him, I think what he wanted, which was the
near and a facade to the public endeavors. Exactly right.
I got these vibes the tears of a clown, and
he said that very phrase in this documentary, kind of
hiding behind that there was a sadness, there was a
melancholy to Paul Rubins Well.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
And I think one of the differentiating things at your
time out Ryan, I do not know the details of
that case with the materials that were found that were pornographic.
If it was adult, then you know what, that's something different.
If it was children, then that is a big deal
because he was doing a children's show. However, I think
one of the things that you bring up up about
Bill Cosby that's so interesting is you know, many times
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in acting there are those who pretty much are themselves
in everything they're in. That was like John Wayne and
obviously Bill Cosby. So their public persona and the characters
they played were interchangeable.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I mean, pe Me.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
Hermann was exactly the opposite. He was a complete creation.
It almost reminds me I was using the analogy of Elmo,
the voice of Elmo. Elmo is literally a furry puppet,
and yet the person behind the voice. There was a
scandal about that, and there was a big brew haha,
because it was a children's programming. I think each individual
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person needs to sort out how they you know, how
they weigh.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
That in their own mind.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
It's always different when it comes to children's programming, for sure.
But I think that was the bigger challenging with Bill
Cosby was he was his persona. There was no separation
between the two.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Paul Rubins was a tremendous artist and the creation, to
use Deborah's word of Pee Wee's Big Adventure was a collaboration.
And one of the heartbreaking things about this was the
falling out that Paul Rubins had with Phil Hartman. They
were very close friends in the eighties. Phil Hartman gets
the spot on Saturday Night Live. Interestingly, Paul rubins audition
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for SNL didn't make it. Phil Hartman, of course did,
went onto legendary status, and I think there was some jealousy,
some resentments, some envy there. And in an interview just
before his death, Phil Hartman was talking to Howard Stern
about his strained relationship with Paul Rubins, and you could
see there were some hurt feelings there, and so it
leaves you with I think a realistic impression of who
(09:46):
Paul Rubins was a very difficult personality, difficult guy to
figure out, difficult guy to get to know, difficult guy
to get close to. And even the director Matt Wolfe,
who I thought did a great job, had trouble breaking
for and having Paul Rubins acknowledge that he trusted him.
Paul Rubins doesn't sound like he's trusted hardly anybody, including
(10:07):
with information about his illness. And this is very much
like Norm MacDonald late in his life. Nobody knew that
Norm had cancer was dying nobody except like very close
friends and family, and same with Paul Rubens. He died
of cancer and complications thereof in twenty twenty three at
the age of seventy. Now one of his close friends.
And maybe the only thing I would agree with this
person on is pee wee herman Paul Rubens and defending him.
(10:29):
Rosi o' donald Rosie's in Ireland and she's having problems
and escaping. The Orange Man did not did not solve everything, surprisingly,
but she was able to make a cameo in the
series and just like that it's a spinoff of Sex
in the City, because who doesn't want more of that series?
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Me?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, there you go, Season three, episode one. I found
this recap of her cameo appearance and it bears some discussion,
but you don't want to bear.
Speaker 9 (10:56):
All enter Rosi o'donald as Mary, Canadian tourist who plot
twist is a virgin nun. Their hotel hookup is sweet, awkward,
and peak Miranda. The morning after pillow talk is hilarious,
with Mary rocking a gold crucifix that Miranda somehow missed,
Mary's smitten blowing up Miranda's phone with touristy date ideas,
central Park, carousel, Tavern on the.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Green, even the eminem store.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
In Times Square, Carrie cackles, saying she's more annoyed Miranda
slept with a tourist than a nun. Classic Miranda too
empathetic to ghost her meets Mary in Times Square, Amid
costumed elmos to let her down gently. Mary's like, chill,
I'm not leaving God for you, then belts wickeds for good.
In a New York draw, Cynthia Nixon's reaction to this
(11:42):
cringy serenade Emmy worthy. It's the most awkward televised moment
of twenty twenty five. And I'm crying laughing.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I think I'd just be crying christian and they just
can't help themselves, the whole mocking God and Christianity thing.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, if you want to sum up pop culture
in the moment, that's it. That's amazing. And off the jokes,
I'm trying to think.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Doing editing on the fly here, right, you know?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Actually we were joking off air that about Sex and
the City.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I watched every episode.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It was a time where my roommate had all the
name a VHS at the time, but he would get
them shipped to the house, and I was there that
I'll just watch him. And I really enjoyed the show,
and I thought it was honest and funny and edgy
and interesting and had some insights into the human condition.
And every time I read anything about this new version
of the show, it just makes me think I would
(12:31):
never in a million years watch that. And this is
maybe a trillion years now.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Debro, you were talking to me off air. You know,
in a previous life you may have attended casting calls
and been invited to be on an episode of Sex
and the City. You were of a certain age like
Samantha and Kim Catrell.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yao, by the way, Wow, yeah, you know.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
It's just it's just so interesting to me because when
you look at this, Okay, for first of all, Rose
of Donald's sixty.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Three years old.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
I mean it's this show started twenty seven years ago,
and the reason why I was never interested in it
wasn't for any pruder reason. Although it wasn't my cup
of tea. You know, I'm a Christian, I have a
different value system, etc. But it's a bunch of women
that were defined by their relationships and that's really their
ups and downs and their backs and fords. And I
(13:18):
was never a woman that wanted to be defined by
my relationships. I mean, I am one hundred percent grateful
that one of my definitions is a wife of twenty
five years. So when I look back twenty seven years
later on this show, they're still single. But I also
read more of the details beyond the ros O'Donnell virgin none,
which yes, as a Christian, that does really bother me.
(13:40):
But they kind of did the geriatric version because they
actually have Sarah Jessica Parker's character falling at home. I mean,
you know you can go there. They have another new
friend who nearly burns herself and her mattress because she
falls asleep smoking, and I'm like, can we not mature
gracefully as women?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I mean really seriously?
Speaker 8 (13:57):
And people talk about the huge hat that Sarah Jessica
Parker or where's I'm like, why is it in Hollywood?
You're either the sex kitten, you know, which I had
to have written in all my contracts when I was
an actress, I'm a recovered actress in my left brand
or I right mind. But when I was doing it,
I had written in my contracts. Not only would I
not do nudity or sex scenes, you could not put
a body double in for me either, because that's a
(14:19):
fast when they'd always pull. And I remember when I
got to the point where I'm like, yay, nobody wants
to even ask me for that. It's still in my
contract right although I didn't rose at sixty three, that
could still be an issue for Rosie O'Donnell.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
But the reality is, where is that.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
In between where women are allowed to not just jump
to matronly.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
But to grow and be, you know, the.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Fullness of what a woman means. We were talking about
Helen Mirren. She's one of the women that, by the way,
was beautiful, was considered to be incredibly attractive in her
younger years, and then she fully embraces this truly beautiful
woman in nineteen twenty three the Yellowstone Saga. Beautiful, white hair,
full wrinkles, and there is no one more dignified or
(15:04):
lovely than she is as a woman. Twenty seven years later,
they're still doing the same things on Sex and the City.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
So there you go. That's my big takeaway for that, all.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Right, So for you Sex and the City fans, Season three,
Episode one. It's dropping and they're going like episodic fashion,
you know, a week at a time type thing. So
if you ever wanted to see Rosie O'Donnell and Cynthia
Nixon get it on, Well, here we have something for you.
God right, that's more of a scare tease right there. Oh, now,
(15:36):
this one I didn't prepare you guys for, but really
you just need to listen. And this is somebody Christen
that I know you're fond of, and I think you've
had conversations with. Adam Corolla just went off on the
concept of no tax on tips. It's one of, you know,
Trump's platform kind of milestones. I think that helped them
win the state of Nevada for the first time. Adam
(15:59):
wasn't having it, and it reminded me a lot of
a certain film by Quentin Tarantino nineteen ninety two, The
Restaurants Seen from Reservoir Dogs, in which Steve Buscemi as
mister Pink, explains why he doesn't tip. Listen to the montage.
Even Rocky had a montage.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Twenty three year old hot chick who's walking out with
big handfuls of cash over doing nothing all freaking night
and air conditioning. And by the way, you work in
a field where what the bottle service? All right, it's
a thousand bucks for a bottle of what you know, vodka. Yeah,
you're getting tipped based on just bringing a bottle out.
(16:37):
And also what's the difference there's jobs are nobody tips
like you know, you work at a you work behind
the grill at the McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I work behind the grill. I never got a tip.
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 11 (16:48):
I mean, these ladies aren't starving in death. They make
minimum wage. And I used to work minimum wage, and
when I did, I wasn't lucky enough to have a job.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
The society bemed tip worth it.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
You don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
They'd counting on your tips to live.
Speaker 11 (17:03):
This is it's the world's smallest violin playing just for
the waitresses.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
You don't have any idea what you're talking about. These
people bust their ass. This is a hard job.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So I was working at McDonald's.
Speaker 11 (17:15):
But you don't feel the need to tip them, do you?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well?
Speaker 11 (17:17):
Why not to serving your food? But no, society says,
don't tip these guys over here, But tip these guys
over here.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
That's bush.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
See, just some hot chick walks around, drops off drinks,
or are there's a bottle of wine and the bottle
wine three hundred bucks. You're just getting tipped on that
versus a bottle of wine that's eighteen bucks of thirty
one bucks. Same bottles, same cork, same thing, same whatever.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
You tip, tip the taxi out of them.
Speaker 10 (17:41):
Tax those tips wild breed, popularly good money. Why do
you guys need more free money?
Speaker 11 (17:47):
I mean, I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
That's fucked up. That ain't my fault.
Speaker 11 (17:51):
I mean it would appear that waitresses are one of
the many groups the government on a regular basis. I mean,
if you showed me a piece of paper that say
the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, will vote,
I'll vote for. What I won't do is play ball.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
By the way, if you're in an industry where you're
being tipped, you're either serving.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Booze or sucking. You're not doing anything. You understand. You
don't have a skill. We don't need you. You just
bringing people. You don't have a skill. I don't care.
You're bringing people food. That's not a skill.
Speaker 10 (18:21):
You're making a drink or you're you're you know, giving
a rubbing tug or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
It's not you're in.
Speaker 10 (18:28):
If you're in a business that gets tips, you're probably
hurting humanity. You are either bringing them booze or dealing blackjack. Yeah,
you're doing something. There's there's some vice world. You don't
tip the plumber comes to your house. You don't tip
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the electrician that comes to your house. You don't tip
the guy at the home depot gets the rolling ladder
and goes up a story and gets, you know, measuring
off anchorchain for you and cuts it, puts the thing
on it, hands a tip. No tip for him, no tip.
There's no tip for cops or fireman, there's no tip
for it. I did construct my entire life. I never
(19:09):
got a fucking tip. But but you bring me booze
at an airport or tip or we got to.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Tip you out. So Deborah, does he have a point?
And for me, I've waited tables, But maybe not only
tip servers, et cetera, but also tip the people that
he mentions on, depot workers, these other people. Maybe we
should be a more tip worthy society. What say you?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Well, first of.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
All, I'm for the principal let's let's remove as much
taxes as we can period.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
By the way, but I.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Do think when I listen to that, I've waited tables,
and I've waited tables at restaurants when I was younger
where it wasn't higher priced items, right, maybe if there
was a bottle of wine as worth ten dollars. I
worked my skill up until I was waiting tables on
Rodeo drive, and when I was serving a five hundred
dollars bottle of wine, you better believe they expected a
certain level of service. I think the thing that I
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take exception with is they don't do any work. There's
a huge amount of arrogance there. I bet you that
he has never ever waited tables. But you know who
should receive the tips the bus boys, and I don't
call them that, the people that are actually working so hard.
So to so demean working class people, I think is
the misstep in this comment.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
If somebody does a great job, add a little bit
of tip on what I don't like. And where I
think he missed the point is where now every single
occupation is asking for a tip, even if you're going
down a cafeteria line.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Of sorts.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Right, Well, I'm sorry, you're not actually doing anything and
you're getting.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Paid for that job.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
But if you are the person that is actually going
to all that effort and doing a good job, shouldn't
someone be rewarded tips? By the way, is the one
era of in our society where people should be rewarded
more or less on merit, on merit, How about we
get more back to that in general merit, base pay.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Total, Come get your boy.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, you know, it's great that he's been cast as
mister Turquoise and the residu.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So that that's excited.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So it's you know, he's Captain common sense. But I
mostly agree with Debra saying, and I think that he's
found like the loophole and the tipping structure. But having
said that, tip jars are everywhere now, and it's for
people who aren't really doing much of anything, like you
a cashier, a clerk at a store. I go making
an order for pizza. I pick up my pizza. That
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person's there wants a tip. He or she just kind
of brought me the pizza from two feet away. It's
not a big ordeal. So I think the tip whole
ecosystem is a little wobbly right now.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Even less than that, like Starbucks or they just turned
the actual screen for you, that's what they did, and
they're expecting.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Are looking at you while you sign it, which is
really kind of.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I had a big argument with Kelsey, my fiance, about
this whole thing, and that I was tipping fifteen percent
as standard and I would tip more but not always,
and she didn't like that. She thought twenty percent should
be standard. So I AI had it. I searched for it.
And guess what what the range was between my idea
and her idea, Like between fifteen and twenty is considered standards.
(22:06):
So yes, in a way, we were both right here
you go. I do view a little bit the way
that mister Pink did. Steve Buscemi of Merit Based Deborah said, yeah,
I'm not going to tip a bad server a lot
because I did wait tables. And I remember at the
village in local Dingy Bar and Grass Lake, Michigan, where
I grew up, waiting tables there, busting my ass making
decent tips, and then the pretty girl who didn't do
(22:28):
that good of a job, she was pretty, made more
in tips than I did well, and I didn't like that.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Yeah, one of the other things, by the way, that
is missed. And this is changing, by the way, with
forced minimum wage. Minimum wage getting to the point where
people can't even keep the staff that they have. You
go to McDonald's, by the way, and it's getting replaced
by kiosks.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
That's not helping anybody.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
And things like McDonald's are supposed to be entry level
jobs for young people to gain a skill set and
move on from there. But what usually has happened in
the restaurant world to this was that waiters would get
paid much less than most in the expectation they would
make it up in tips. Isay, let's take this rampage
out on forced minimum wage that is not affordable for
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businesses and hurting the very people they proclaim they're trying
to help.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Hello, California, we have rights out of Hollywood continues with
our nominees for Friday Fool of the Week after this. Okay,
you're heading into your weekend. We're heading into the summer
right at the end of May. How did that happen?
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Speaker 12 (25:15):
It's a little confusing to me, honestly. I'm sure it's
a huge adjustment to go from being a podcaster to
being the deputy director of the FBI. But I don't
understand this tweet. First of all, I assume that the
investigation of the pipe bomb that was found on January
sixth was never closed. The FBI never closes such a thing,
so I guess it means they're going to focus on
it more. And as to the other things, I thought
(25:37):
the Supreme Court Marshall had investigated the leak of the opinion,
the draft opinion. I don't know what the FBI's role.
Is there cocaine at the White House? I thought the
Secret Service investigated that, So I don't follow it and
understand it. I also don't understand who the audience is
for this tweet. The FBI often calls for public assistance
or in matters of great public concern, will announce an
(25:59):
investigation to real sure the public. This seems much more
narrowly targeted, maybe to a former podcast audience.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
That's not so subtle. Jab Dan Bongino is from the
Smug and Condescending James Comy for a second straight week,
a nominee for our Friday Full of the Week. There's
so much that jumps off the page to me, Deborah
about what Komy says here A number one, he's just
so aloof and dismissive. I mean, this guy that used
(26:26):
to head the FBI, and he just assumes everything's gonna
go according to plan, Like specifically the cocaine gate at
the White House. The Secret Service investigated itself. How about
hell no, how about no, you bring in a third
party objectively, like the FBI, to go, look, we're gonna
put clean eyes on this to find out and get
to the bottom of what happened. Komy's just not interested.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
You know, here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
It is, so Komy is losing any respect I think
from the American people that maybe he even had, And
I do think the jig is up with most folks
who are realizing, wait a second, there was such lack
of transparence.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
But for him to say that, oh.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
I'm sure you know the leak of the Supreme Court
of the United States, I'm sure they're going to get
to the bondom that it hasn't happened yet. No, it
hasn't happened with the January twenty sixth pipe bomb. So yes,
perhaps what he is not paying attention to is under
his leadership, the confidence and the trust in our American
institutions has plummeted. So if you want to use social
(27:25):
media to help rebuild the confidence that American people have
that justice, action will be done, that answers while should
be found, that seems to be lost on coming but
not unfortunately surprisingly total.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
How about these digs at Bongino by Komy just beneath
what should be beneath them, but it's not, it's not.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
But also, like you said, these are three cases that
were not solved. No, so where's the arrogance, where's the cockiness?
Why are you being so dismissive. Let's get it done.
It's embarrassing that these three significant cases have not been cracked.
That's where your outrage should be, not like slipping little
snide comments. I mean, he really is a creature of
(28:01):
the modern day press. At the Legacy meeting, he's like
he's almost the unofficial mascot of them and.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
The official like swamp creature of the deep state.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I mean, just arrogant, doesn't bring information, snippy, aspathetic, He's
the worst.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
He is the worst, the worst. And how do you
great lead off hitter? Oh for our Friday fool of
the week, will you always.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Make it tough to that's the intent?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
We want a ringer And well this next one. It's
interesting because this podcast has gone over I think like
a lead balloon. I believe the numbers are quite low
considering who it is that's doing the hosting. And with
all due respect to doctor Jill Biden, Laura Bush, and
Hillary Clinton, I believe Michelle Obama is talking about Milania
(28:46):
Trump here. But it's just you know, the price of fame,
you know, it's just so difficult being the first lady
and being married to the president's annoying. You get everything
done for you, You get private jets everywhere, you get
meals made for it. I mean, it's just this hard life.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
There was a line of people waiting to shake hands
with our respective husbands, you know, people like reaching over
our heads and spilling water on us, trying to get
to these two, you know, illustrious men, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Uh, And she didn't.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
She didn't.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
She had the same look on her face as I did,
like here we go, you know. And I looked over
at at this beautiful woman. We had did we even
have a conversation, not until.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Later in the and that was why you hadn't met.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
We hadn't met. But I just saw a look on
her face which which expressed the sentiments that I felt,
which was pissed off.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Very Megan Markle vibes to me here Christian. And it's
just one of these where Matt Walsh made the observation
on his podcast that all she does is go on
here and complain about the greatest life ever for eight years.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I was just about to mention the Magan Markle situation.
Who's the worst victim who has suffered more Michelle Obama
or Megan Markley.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
It's a foot race.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know, how about my gosh, my husband achieved so much.
I'm so proud of him. Right, how could you even
have that thought? It's just I'm sure in the moment
it wasn't ideal. But she has also been in this
culture a superstar, and she's been fond over. They made
a documentary. Actually, I think she made her own documentary herself,
and she's been the focus, and she's been the one
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that people are reaching to get a hold of and
waiting for and clamoring for. Magazine's tasted that life directly.
She is so privileged and all she does is bitch moment.
It's it is shocking. It is shocking the person that
she's become.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Here's my question is did she not know the man
she was marrying, the aspirations he had, the dreams, the ambition.
It seems like she had no clue.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
And weren't they helping to drive it at the same
time where there's pass is like I remember Dug Cheney's
wife said when they said to her, you know, hey,
you could have married this guy early in your life,
who I think runs like a plumbing store something like that.
She goes, No, I still would have been married to
the Vice President, because, in other words, she was a
part of that journey in helping support. Here's the thing, though,
(31:09):
and Christian, to your point, Yes, first of all, be
proud of this amazing achievement that your spouse has achieved,
but also looking at with gratitude the honor.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
And the privilege to serve as first lady.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
And perhaps, by the way, stand for something meaningful, do
something positive with that position, which is an incredible position.
But the thing that I find really, you know, Michelle
Obama going on there and griping is one thing, but
when Joe Biden in any way would try to make
it sound like it's a burden. From what I understand
from internal reports, she traveled more than any single person
(31:45):
and the Biden administration. She was at every premiere, every
kickoff or a major sporting event, every posh thing, And honestly,
I think she's one of the reasons why Joe Biden
never stepped down, because she wouldn't want him to.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
So yeah, yeah, it's also.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
Probably why her Obama's Michelle Obama's podcast is not doing
so well.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
James call me Michelle Obama. Our first two nominees, our third.
Is kind of a counter theory we had earlier in
the week Pete Boodhaje Edge Governor Tim Walls talking about
code switching code talking to men. How do you get
men back at the Democratic Party? I talked about that
with Scott Jennings CNN yesterday. Well, Joy Behar of the
View says, just abandon all pretense of that, leave men
(32:28):
in the dust. It's a waste of money, tell them
to not be men.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Well, I think I think it's a waste of money.
Speaker 13 (32:34):
Maybe these guys should spend their money on teaching men
to not be such sexist.
Speaker 14 (32:38):
Maybe that is the stats don't figure that out.
Speaker 13 (32:40):
Now that thank you now've seen the election resold Donald
hamp performed better with than the previous several Republicans with
most every people group.
Speaker 14 (32:50):
He did better with black men, better with Latino men,
better with white men and white women. Like it's just
a fact that he has tapped into something.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
And what I think of it was running against a woman.
I'm telling you, but.
Speaker 14 (33:00):
I'm saying that men showed up more for him. So
you think that Democrats who were with Biden in twenty
twenty left to be with Trump because they're sexist.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I don't know the reason, but it's very suspecial. It's
very suspicious.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
We men, Deborah, we're so my goodness gracious that you know,
how how would it be to live your life where
everything is so simple that every single win or loss
is simply based upon the gender of the individual or
the color of their skin. That may be simple and
allows you to have a lot of outrage and virtue signaling,
but it's not reality. The way that they look down
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on the American people and men in this sistance, that
they do not think in a more sophisticated manner of
you know what, hey, I actually do want our border secure.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Hey, guess what, I actually.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Don't want to be paying Russia for Oliver oil or
funding Iran. I mean, I've seen it on the female side,
and I'm so tired of the patronizing towards strong women
who think for themselves. But you know what I said,
Joy behar American men have been masculated in our culture
for decades, treated like the buffoon.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I used to say when I was acting.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
If I went on a commercial and I was the hero, wipe,
I knew the spot would be my dufest husband was
about to blow up the house with the barbecue because
they couldn't handle it.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
I mean, I'm.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Actually really encouraged by men who are standing and saying,
you know enough already. I am a man and there's
nothing to be shared. I raised a young man with
my husband, who I love, who's a strong man, and
as a twenty twenty year old young man, I don't
want him to live into in a world where he
is being told what he should do or that is
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masculinity as toxic.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I'm sorry. Could I go on longer?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I could, but I stop now.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That was awesome and Christian last word to you, I
think the GOP should be funding people like Joy Beha.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
David hog Here.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
There are secret weapons. They are doing the work for
us and there's no one better.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Okay, those are the nominees. We'll get the votes of
both Deborah Flora and Christian Total when we come back
wrapping up this edition the Right Side of Hollywood. After this,
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I had some sad news to pass along on this Friday.
Loretta Sweat that's known as hot lips on mash has
passed away the age of eighty seven Emmy winning actress
and of course part of the most iconic television cast
in the nineteen seventies and early eighties. I believe Devor
the Mash Finale to this day is the highest rated
television program ever. That wasn't like a Super Bowl. It
(35:38):
was seedy episode. It's up there anyway.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
I don't know the actual numbers, but I wouldn't be
surprised it was. It was also groundbreaking and that it
changed the mold of where a comedy could be set,
and of all places, it was set in Vietnam.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, yeah, Korea, says Chennon. Of course.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Sorry the Warren Crea, thank you so much for that kind.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Of catch all there, and he was able to come
with that music. Yes, wink of an eye now in
the wink of a vote, Christian tote, one person, one vote.
We're not Democrats here. You can't vote more than once.
This is a tough one.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I feel like James Comy should be the perennial winner,
but I think I think Joy Behar really captures how
the Democratic Party has chased men away so aggressively and
is in denial.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
So that two for is why I give her my vote.
Joy Bahar according to Christian Toto, you could vote too
five seven, seven three nine Deborah.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Okay, So I was going to do Joy Bayhart, but
I feel like we're, you know, at a restaurant and
we're ordering, so you got that dish. So I got
to go with a different one. And I already let
off my full steam over joy before the break. I'm
gonna have to go with Michelle Obama because we talked
about James Commy before.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I am so tired of people who.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Have achieved such successes showing the good nature of the
American people that have voted for the first black president,
first black first lady, to then go and somehow sing
a sad song of how how tough it was, and
then have Joe Biden share the same thing.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
That's and by the way, the reason why it gets
me too. We need to get back to people in
these elected offices looking at what it really is an
act of service to serve the American people.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
She had a privilege to serve.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
She's Deubora Flora, he's Christian Total. I'm Ryan schuling. I'm
coming back there leaving me after this
It's Friday in Denver, and that means it's time once
again for the Right Side of Hollywood with award winning
filmmaker Deborah Flora and Christian Toto of Hollywood in Toto
on the intersection of pop culture, entertainment and politics in
America right here on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
CA's what, I'm having a party and you're invited.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's weird to be in this situation having a documentary made.
Because I'm used to having control of my alter ego.
I wanted to be a performance artist. I could show
you my characters out of nowhere pee wee Herman popped
out of me.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
The audience ate it up and went crazy. When I
first saw Paul as Pe, I was like, who's this
little man? This bow Tide and why is he throwing
fifty rolls at people? Hollywould have taken notice, meaning how
could they not?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I remember thinking this is going to be really good.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
There wasn't like a moment in the eighties that was
a super cool to be me and then dark music.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Bump bump bumbo.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I lost control of my anonymity that it was devastating.
I don't want to come off like a victim in
some way. I kept who I was a secret for
a really long time. I hid behind an alter ego.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Today's secret.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
What is fine?
Speaker 7 (01:38):
I want kids to learn not only is being different, Okay,
let's celebrate it, but I want that not just for you,
but for myself.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Death is just so final. To be able to get
your message in at the last minute is incredible to me.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
Long he was so private it was challenging for him
to do the documentary, but he took.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
A leap of pain. He wanted people to see who
he was as Paul.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
All these different emotions, all these different influences and factors.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I was like a good vessel for it all.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm gonna leave out the part where we did enormous
amounts of drugs. Oh I didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
The voice of Paul Rubens and Pee Wee Hermann featured
in Pee Wee as himself, the Paul Rubins documentary, which
is making waves on HBO Cinemax. It premiered at the
Sundance Film Festival. And for people of a certain age,
and I would say a very specific age. So if
you're between about forty five and fifty five and you
(02:59):
were kind of a later gen X grew up in
the eighties. This is my wheelhouse, Pee Wee Herman was
it for a moment in time. Culturally, in terms of
pop culture in the United States, there was nobody bigger
than Pee Wee Herman. With Pee's Big Adventure they filmed
in nineteen eighty five and through his television show that
aired on Saturday mornings, my brother and I never missed it.
(03:21):
We loved it. We loved Pee Wee Herman. And this
story as told by the director Matt Wolfe, was a
constant struggle between the director and Paul Rubens himself, which
he was a very complex individual. He wanted to tell
this story, but he wanted to tell it his way,
and you could tell not having that ultimate absolute control
over his character his story that really bothered him. And
(03:44):
we start the right side of Hollywood with Deborah Flora
Christian Toto talking about this Now I've watched in its entirety.
I'm not sure if you guys have seen anything beyond
the trailers that I've sent you, But Debra, I'll go
to you first. In terms of Paul Rubins, pee Wee
Herman a very unique individual. I don't think that can
be contested.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Without a doubt. I think it's very interesting.
Speaker 8 (04:03):
How he talked about he stayed the character actually tried
to hide who he was in person. And I was
sharing with Christian before we started the show that having
lived in La my temporary and sanity period as a
Colorado resident, I met many comedians, many comedy writers, and
really many of the most brilliant ones were almost manic depressive.
(04:25):
It's like that two faces of theater. You see one
that's crying and one that's laughing. And you would see
that wo in Robin Williams. You'd see that in many others,
and so many of these characters and individuals are very complex.
I would probably put Paul Rubens in that category. And
I think that the sad part is if someone is
(04:46):
creating art and they don't drag in their own personal
lives and viewpoints, as happens all too often now, it
would be nice if you know, to be honest, I
just don't care about their personal lives. Let them live
their personal lives. But obviously that was very hard for him.
So I think he's just an interesting characteristic. And then
I would say the other side of what you said.
As a documentarian, my husband, I've made documentaries. We've had
(05:08):
very famous people ask us to make documentaries of their lives,
and we always had to say to them with the
understanding that we have to able to tell the whole story.
And nine out of ten times they will say no,
and that's their right. That's their right. But I do
think that, you know, there was some courage on Paul's
part in his latter days to be willing to do that,
even if he was uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
There was a time there was a big controversy, and
these are addressed in the documentary, although not directly by
Paul Rubins himself until a recording at the end spoiler alert.
But I've seen the whole thing and it just mesmerized me,
in which he wanted to make sure to get down
on audio exactly what he thought of two episodes. There
was the theater, the infamous episode, the adult Theater, and
(05:50):
that was adjudicated. He ended up pleading no contests and
to charges that he was in possession. This is the
one that really bothered me of child pornography, and the
least how it was presented the documentary, and what I
believe to be true is that what he possessed was
kind of old school homo erotic art that was not
depicting children. He did not prey upon children. He was
(06:12):
at an adult movie theater for its And like Debri
just said, what Paul Rubins did in his personal private time,
I don't think he had any bearing on pee Wee Herman,
the character, the product he produced for kids. My brother
and I loved it. We were not adversely affected by it.
I thought it was unique and its humor, it's appeal
to youngsters. But Christian, is there anybody whose legacy is
so complicated in the sense that we didn't really know
(06:34):
Paul Rubins. We knew pee Wee Herman his alter ego,
and that's the only version of him that was presented
to the public. And I don't know that I can
think of anybody else, at least in our lifetime, that
was like that.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The name that just came to my mind is Bill
Cosby and A very dark, twisted, terrible Night, where we
thought of him as this ultimate dad, the family man,
and of course his real life was far different. But yet,
you know, pee Wee Paul Rubins was really talented and
had some other roles of consequence, but you really couldn't
escape that and I think in this last few years
(07:06):
he did a movie I think for Netflix and kind
of you know, brought the character back.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I just it is interesting that.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Sometimes in certain situations a character an actor can't avoid
that that he's so identified Gilligan. Bob Denver comes to mind. Yeah,
and he did Doobey Gillis before then. But just I mean,
the type casting was so severe, but also was because
he was so good at it, because it was so
perfectly attuned to his skills, and because it was beloved.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I mean, who would run away from that legacy.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's a lovely legs and it.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Gave him, I think what he wanted, which was the
near and a facade to the public endeavors. Exactly right.
I got these vibes the tears of a clown, and
he said that very phrase in this documentary, kind of
hiding behind that there was a sadness, there was a
melancholy to Paul Rubins Well.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
And I think one of the differentiating things at your
time out Ryan, I do not know the details of
that case with the materials that were found that were pornographic.
If it was adult, then you know what, that's something different.
If it was children, then that is a big deal
because he was doing a children's show. However, I think
one of the things that you bring up up about
Bill Cosby that's so interesting is you know, many times
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in acting there are those who pretty much are themselves
in everything they're in. That was like John Wayne and
obviously Bill Cosby. So their public persona and the characters
they played were interchangeable.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I mean, pe Me.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
Hermann was exactly the opposite. He was a complete creation.
It almost reminds me I was using the analogy of Elmo,
the voice of Elmo. Elmo is literally a furry puppet,
and yet the person behind the voice. There was a
scandal about that, and there was a big brew haha,
because it was a children's programming. I think each individual
(08:48):
person needs to sort out how they you know, how
they weigh.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
That in their own mind.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
It's always different when it comes to children's programming, for sure.
But I think that was the bigger challenging with Bill
Cosby was he was his persona. There was no separation
between the two.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Paul Rubins was a tremendous artist and the creation, to
use Deborah's word of Pee Wee's Big Adventure was a collaboration.
And one of the heartbreaking things about this was the
falling out that Paul Rubins had with Phil Hartman. They
were very close friends in the eighties. Phil Hartman gets
the spot on Saturday Night Live. Interestingly, Paul rubins audition
(09:26):
for SNL didn't make it. Phil Hartman, of course did,
went onto legendary status, and I think there was some jealousy,
some resentments, some envy there. And in an interview just
before his death, Phil Hartman was talking to Howard Stern
about his strained relationship with Paul Rubins, and you could
see there were some hurt feelings there, and so it
leaves you with I think a realistic impression of who
(09:46):
Paul Rubins was a very difficult personality, difficult guy to
figure out, difficult guy to get to know, difficult guy
to get close to. And even the director Matt Wolfe,
who I thought did a great job, had trouble breaking
for and having Paul Rubins acknowledge that he trusted him.
Paul Rubins doesn't sound like he's trusted hardly anybody, including
(10:07):
with information about his illness. And this is very much
like Norm MacDonald late in his life. Nobody knew that
Norm had cancer was dying nobody except like very close
friends and family, and same with Paul Rubens. He died
of cancer and complications thereof in twenty twenty three at
the age of seventy. Now one of his close friends.
And maybe the only thing I would agree with this
person on is pee wee herman Paul Rubens and defending him.
(10:29):
Rosi o' donald Rosie's in Ireland and she's having problems
and escaping. The Orange Man did not did not solve everything, surprisingly,
but she was able to make a cameo in the
series and just like that it's a spinoff of Sex
in the City, because who doesn't want more of that series?
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Me?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, there you go, Season three, episode one. I found
this recap of her cameo appearance and it bears some discussion,
but you don't want to bear.
Speaker 9 (10:56):
All enter Rosi o'donald as Mary, Canadian tourist who plot
twist is a virgin nun. Their hotel hookup is sweet, awkward,
and peak Miranda. The morning after pillow talk is hilarious,
with Mary rocking a gold crucifix that Miranda somehow missed,
Mary's smitten blowing up Miranda's phone with touristy date ideas,
central Park, carousel, Tavern on the.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Green, even the eminem store.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
In Times Square, Carrie cackles, saying she's more annoyed Miranda
slept with a tourist than a nun. Classic Miranda too
empathetic to ghost her meets Mary in Times Square, Amid
costumed elmos to let her down gently. Mary's like, chill,
I'm not leaving God for you, then belts wickeds for good.
In a New York draw, Cynthia Nixon's reaction to this
(11:42):
cringy serenade Emmy worthy. It's the most awkward televised moment
of twenty twenty five. And I'm crying laughing.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I think I'd just be crying christian and they just
can't help themselves, the whole mocking God and Christianity thing.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, if you want to sum up pop culture
in the moment, that's it. That's amazing. And off the jokes,
I'm trying to think.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Doing editing on the fly here, right, you know?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Actually we were joking off air that about Sex and
the City.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I watched every episode.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It was a time where my roommate had all the
name a VHS at the time, but he would get
them shipped to the house, and I was there that
I'll just watch him. And I really enjoyed the show,
and I thought it was honest and funny and edgy
and interesting and had some insights into the human condition.
And every time I read anything about this new version
of the show, it just makes me think I would
(12:31):
never in a million years watch that. And this is
maybe a trillion years now.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Debro, you were talking to me off air. You know,
in a previous life you may have attended casting calls
and been invited to be on an episode of Sex
and the City. You were of a certain age like
Samantha and Kim Catrell.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yao, by the way, Wow, yeah, you know.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
It's just it's just so interesting to me because when
you look at this, Okay, for first of all, Rose
of Donald's sixty.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Three years old.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
I mean it's this show started twenty seven years ago,
and the reason why I was never interested in it
wasn't for any pruder reason. Although it wasn't my cup
of tea. You know, I'm a Christian, I have a
different value system, etc. But it's a bunch of women
that were defined by their relationships and that's really their
ups and downs and their backs and fords. And I
(13:18):
was never a woman that wanted to be defined by
my relationships. I mean, I am one hundred percent grateful
that one of my definitions is a wife of twenty
five years. So when I look back twenty seven years
later on this show, they're still single. But I also
read more of the details beyond the ros O'Donnell virgin none,
which yes, as a Christian, that does really bother me.
(13:40):
But they kind of did the geriatric version because they
actually have Sarah Jessica Parker's character falling at home. I mean,
you know you can go there. They have another new
friend who nearly burns herself and her mattress because she
falls asleep smoking, and I'm like, can we not mature
gracefully as women?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I mean really seriously?
Speaker 8 (13:57):
And people talk about the huge hat that Sarah Jessica
Parker or where's I'm like, why is it in Hollywood?
You're either the sex kitten, you know, which I had
to have written in all my contracts when I was
an actress, I'm a recovered actress in my left brand
or I right mind. But when I was doing it,
I had written in my contracts. Not only would I
not do nudity or sex scenes, you could not put
a body double in for me either, because that's a
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fast when they'd always pull. And I remember when I
got to the point where I'm like, yay, nobody wants
to even ask me for that. It's still in my
contract right although I didn't rose at sixty three, that
could still be an issue for Rosie O'Donnell.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
But the reality is, where is that.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
In between where women are allowed to not just jump
to matronly.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
But to grow and be, you know, the.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Fullness of what a woman means. We were talking about
Helen Mirren. She's one of the women that, by the way,
was beautiful, was considered to be incredibly attractive in her
younger years, and then she fully embraces this truly beautiful
woman in nineteen twenty three the Yellowstone Saga. Beautiful, white hair,
full wrinkles, and there is no one more dignified or
(15:04):
lovely than she is as a woman. Twenty seven years later,
they're still doing the same things on Sex and the City.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
So there you go. That's my big takeaway for that, all.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Right, So for you Sex and the City fans, Season three,
Episode one. It's dropping and they're going like episodic fashion,
you know, a week at a time type thing. So
if you ever wanted to see Rosie O'Donnell and Cynthia
Nixon get it on, Well, here we have something for you.
God right, that's more of a scare tease right there. Oh, now,
(15:36):
this one I didn't prepare you guys for, but really
you just need to listen. And this is somebody Christen
that I know you're fond of, and I think you've
had conversations with. Adam Corolla just went off on the
concept of no tax on tips. It's one of, you know,
Trump's platform kind of milestones. I think that helped them
win the state of Nevada for the first time. Adam
(15:59):
wasn't having it, and it reminded me a lot of
a certain film by Quentin Tarantino nineteen ninety two, The
Restaurants Seen from Reservoir Dogs, in which Steve Buscemi as
mister Pink, explains why he doesn't tip. Listen to the montage.
Even Rocky had a montage.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Twenty three year old hot chick who's walking out with
big handfuls of cash over doing nothing all freaking night
and air conditioning. And by the way, you work in
a field where what the bottle service? All right, it's
a thousand bucks for a bottle of what you know, vodka. Yeah,
you're getting tipped based on just bringing a bottle out.
(16:37):
And also what's the difference there's jobs are nobody tips
like you know, you work at a you work behind
the grill at the McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I work behind the grill. I never got a tip.
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 11 (16:48):
I mean, these ladies aren't starving in death. They make
minimum wage. And I used to work minimum wage, and
when I did, I wasn't lucky enough to have a job.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
The society bemed tip worth it.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
You don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
They'd counting on your tips to live.
Speaker 11 (17:03):
This is it's the world's smallest violin playing just for
the waitresses.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
You don't have any idea what you're talking about. These
people bust their ass. This is a hard job.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So I was working at McDonald's.
Speaker 11 (17:15):
But you don't feel the need to tip them, do you?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well?
Speaker 11 (17:17):
Why not to serving your food? But no, society says,
don't tip these guys over here, But tip these guys
over here.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
That's bush.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
See, just some hot chick walks around, drops off drinks,
or are there's a bottle of wine and the bottle
wine three hundred bucks. You're just getting tipped on that
versus a bottle of wine that's eighteen bucks of thirty
one bucks. Same bottles, same cork, same thing, same whatever.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
You tip, tip the taxi out of them.
Speaker 10 (17:41):
Tax those tips wild breed, popularly good money. Why do
you guys need more free money?
Speaker 11 (17:47):
I mean, I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
That's fucked up. That ain't my fault.
Speaker 11 (17:51):
I mean it would appear that waitresses are one of
the many groups the government on a regular basis. I mean,
if you showed me a piece of paper that say
the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, will vote,
I'll vote for. What I won't do is play ball.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
By the way, if you're in an industry where you're
being tipped, you're either serving.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Booze or sucking. You're not doing anything. You understand. You
don't have a skill. We don't need you. You just
bringing people. You don't have a skill. I don't care.
You're bringing people food. That's not a skill.
Speaker 10 (18:21):
You're making a drink or you're you're you know, giving
a rubbing tug or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
It's not you're in.
Speaker 10 (18:28):
If you're in a business that gets tips, you're probably
hurting humanity. You are either bringing them booze or dealing blackjack. Yeah,
you're doing something. There's there's some vice world. You don't
tip the plumber comes to your house. You don't tip
(18:49):
the electrician that comes to your house. You don't tip
the guy at the home depot gets the rolling ladder
and goes up a story and gets, you know, measuring
off anchorchain for you and cuts it, puts the thing
on it, hands a tip. No tip for him, no tip.
There's no tip for cops or fireman, there's no tip
for it. I did construct my entire life. I never
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got a fucking tip. But but you bring me booze
at an airport or tip or we got to.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Tip you out. So Deborah, does he have a point?
And for me, I've waited tables, But maybe not only
tip servers, et cetera, but also tip the people that
he mentions on, depot workers, these other people. Maybe we
should be a more tip worthy society. What say you?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Well, first of.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
All, I'm for the principal let's let's remove as much
taxes as we can period.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
By the way, but I.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Do think when I listen to that, I've waited tables,
and I've waited tables at restaurants when I was younger
where it wasn't higher priced items, right, maybe if there
was a bottle of wine as worth ten dollars. I
worked my skill up until I was waiting tables on
Rodeo drive, and when I was serving a five hundred
dollars bottle of wine, you better believe they expected a
certain level of service. I think the thing that I
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take exception with is they don't do any work. There's
a huge amount of arrogance there. I bet you that
he has never ever waited tables. But you know who
should receive the tips the bus boys, and I don't
call them that, the people that are actually working so hard.
So to so demean working class people, I think is
the misstep in this comment.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
If somebody does a great job, add a little bit
of tip on what I don't like. And where I
think he missed the point is where now every single
occupation is asking for a tip, even if you're going
down a cafeteria line.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Of sorts.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Right, Well, I'm sorry, you're not actually doing anything and
you're getting.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Paid for that job.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
But if you are the person that is actually going
to all that effort and doing a good job, shouldn't
someone be rewarded tips? By the way, is the one
era of in our society where people should be rewarded
more or less on merit, on merit, How about we
get more back to that in general merit, base pay.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Total, Come get your boy.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, you know, it's great that he's been cast as
mister Turquoise and the residu.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So that that's excited.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So it's you know, he's Captain common sense. But I
mostly agree with Debra saying, and I think that he's
found like the loophole and the tipping structure. But having
said that, tip jars are everywhere now, and it's for
people who aren't really doing much of anything, like you
a cashier, a clerk at a store. I go making
an order for pizza. I pick up my pizza. That
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person's there wants a tip. He or she just kind
of brought me the pizza from two feet away. It's
not a big ordeal. So I think the tip whole
ecosystem is a little wobbly right now.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Even less than that, like Starbucks or they just turned
the actual screen for you, that's what they did, and
they're expecting.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Are looking at you while you sign it, which is
really kind of.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I had a big argument with Kelsey, my fiance, about
this whole thing, and that I was tipping fifteen percent
as standard and I would tip more but not always,
and she didn't like that. She thought twenty percent should
be standard. So I AI had it. I searched for it.
And guess what what the range was between my idea
and her idea, Like between fifteen and twenty is considered standards.
(22:06):
So yes, in a way, we were both right here
you go. I do view a little bit the way
that mister Pink did. Steve Buscemi of Merit Based Deborah said, yeah,
I'm not going to tip a bad server a lot
because I did wait tables. And I remember at the
village in local Dingy Bar and Grass Lake, Michigan, where
I grew up, waiting tables there, busting my ass making
decent tips, and then the pretty girl who didn't do
(22:28):
that good of a job, she was pretty, made more
in tips than I did well, and I didn't like that.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Yeah, one of the other things, by the way, that
is missed. And this is changing, by the way, with
forced minimum wage. Minimum wage getting to the point where
people can't even keep the staff that they have. You
go to McDonald's, by the way, and it's getting replaced
by kiosks.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
That's not helping anybody.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
And things like McDonald's are supposed to be entry level
jobs for young people to gain a skill set and
move on from there. But what usually has happened in
the restaurant world to this was that waiters would get
paid much less than most in the expectation they would
make it up in tips. Isay, let's take this rampage
out on forced minimum wage that is not affordable for
(23:13):
businesses and hurting the very people they proclaim they're trying
to help.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
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Speaker 12 (25:15):
It's a little confusing to me, honestly. I'm sure it's
a huge adjustment to go from being a podcaster to
being the deputy director of the FBI. But I don't
understand this tweet. First of all, I assume that the
investigation of the pipe bomb that was found on January
sixth was never closed. The FBI never closes such a thing,
so I guess it means they're going to focus on
it more. And as to the other things, I thought
(25:37):
the Supreme Court Marshall had investigated the leak of the opinion,
the draft opinion. I don't know what the FBI's role.
Is there cocaine at the White House? I thought the
Secret Service investigated that, So I don't follow it and
understand it. I also don't understand who the audience is
for this tweet. The FBI often calls for public assistance
or in matters of great public concern, will announce an
(25:59):
investigation to real sure the public. This seems much more
narrowly targeted, maybe to a former podcast audience.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
That's not so subtle. Jab Dan Bongino is from the
Smug and Condescending James Comy for a second straight week,
a nominee for our Friday Full of the Week. There's
so much that jumps off the page to me, Deborah
about what Komy says here A number one, he's just
so aloof and dismissive. I mean, this guy that used
(26:26):
to head the FBI, and he just assumes everything's gonna
go according to plan, Like specifically the cocaine gate at
the White House. The Secret Service investigated itself. How about
hell no, how about no, you bring in a third
party objectively, like the FBI, to go, look, we're gonna
put clean eyes on this to find out and get
to the bottom of what happened. Komy's just not interested.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
You know, here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
It is, so Komy is losing any respect I think
from the American people that maybe he even had, And
I do think the jig is up with most folks
who are realizing, wait a second, there was such lack
of transparence.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
But for him to say that, oh.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
I'm sure you know the leak of the Supreme Court
of the United States, I'm sure they're going to get
to the bondom that it hasn't happened yet. No, it
hasn't happened with the January twenty sixth pipe bomb. So yes,
perhaps what he is not paying attention to is under
his leadership, the confidence and the trust in our American
institutions has plummeted. So if you want to use social
(27:25):
media to help rebuild the confidence that American people have
that justice, action will be done, that answers while should
be found, that seems to be lost on coming but
not unfortunately surprisingly total.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
How about these digs at Bongino by Komy just beneath
what should be beneath them, but it's not, it's not.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
But also, like you said, these are three cases that
were not solved. No, so where's the arrogance, where's the cockiness?
Why are you being so dismissive. Let's get it done.
It's embarrassing that these three significant cases have not been cracked.
That's where your outrage should be, not like slipping little
snide comments. I mean, he really is a creature of
(28:01):
the modern day press. At the Legacy meeting, he's like
he's almost the unofficial mascot of them and.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
The official like swamp creature of the deep state.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I mean, just arrogant, doesn't bring information, snippy, aspathetic, He's
the worst.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
He is the worst, the worst. And how do you
great lead off hitter? Oh for our Friday fool of
the week, will you always.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Make it tough to that's the intent?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
We want a ringer And well this next one. It's
interesting because this podcast has gone over I think like
a lead balloon. I believe the numbers are quite low
considering who it is that's doing the hosting. And with
all due respect to doctor Jill Biden, Laura Bush, and
Hillary Clinton, I believe Michelle Obama is talking about Milania
(28:46):
Trump here. But it's just you know, the price of fame,
you know, it's just so difficult being the first lady
and being married to the president's annoying. You get everything
done for you, You get private jets everywhere, you get
meals made for it. I mean, it's just this hard life.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
There was a line of people waiting to shake hands
with our respective husbands, you know, people like reaching over
our heads and spilling water on us, trying to get
to these two, you know, illustrious men, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Uh, And she didn't.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
She didn't.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
She had the same look on her face as I did,
like here we go, you know. And I looked over
at at this beautiful woman. We had did we even
have a conversation, not until.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Later in the and that was why you hadn't met.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
We hadn't met. But I just saw a look on
her face which which expressed the sentiments that I felt,
which was pissed off.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Very Megan Markle vibes to me here Christian. And it's
just one of these where Matt Walsh made the observation
on his podcast that all she does is go on
here and complain about the greatest life ever for eight years.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I was just about to mention the Magan Markle situation.
Who's the worst victim who has suffered more Michelle Obama
or Megan Markley.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
It's a foot race.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know, how about my gosh, my husband achieved so much.
I'm so proud of him. Right, how could you even
have that thought? It's just I'm sure in the moment
it wasn't ideal. But she has also been in this
culture a superstar, and she's been fond over. They made
a documentary. Actually, I think she made her own documentary herself,
and she's been the focus, and she's been the one
(30:26):
that people are reaching to get a hold of and
waiting for and clamoring for. Magazine's tasted that life directly.
She is so privileged and all she does is bitch moment.
It's it is shocking. It is shocking the person that
she's become.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Here's my question is did she not know the man
she was marrying, the aspirations he had, the dreams, the ambition.
It seems like she had no clue.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
And weren't they helping to drive it at the same
time where there's pass is like I remember Dug Cheney's
wife said when they said to her, you know, hey,
you could have married this guy early in your life,
who I think runs like a plumbing store something like that.
She goes, No, I still would have been married to
the Vice President, because, in other words, she was a
part of that journey in helping support. Here's the thing, though,
(31:09):
and Christian, to your point, Yes, first of all, be
proud of this amazing achievement that your spouse has achieved,
but also looking at with gratitude the honor.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
And the privilege to serve as first lady.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
And perhaps, by the way, stand for something meaningful, do
something positive with that position, which is an incredible position.
But the thing that I find really, you know, Michelle
Obama going on there and griping is one thing, but
when Joe Biden in any way would try to make
it sound like it's a burden. From what I understand
from internal reports, she traveled more than any single person
(31:45):
and the Biden administration. She was at every premiere, every
kickoff or a major sporting event, every posh thing, And honestly,
I think she's one of the reasons why Joe Biden
never stepped down, because she wouldn't want him to.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
So yeah, yeah, it's also.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
Probably why her Obama's Michelle Obama's podcast is not doing
so well.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
James call me Michelle Obama. Our first two nominees, our third.
Is kind of a counter theory we had earlier in
the week Pete Boodhaje Edge Governor Tim Walls talking about
code switching code talking to men. How do you get
men back at the Democratic Party? I talked about that
with Scott Jennings CNN yesterday. Well, Joy Behar of the
View says, just abandon all pretense of that, leave men
(32:28):
in the dust. It's a waste of money, tell them
to not be men.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Well, I think I think it's a waste of money.
Speaker 13 (32:34):
Maybe these guys should spend their money on teaching men
to not be such sexist.
Speaker 14 (32:38):
Maybe that is the stats don't figure that out.
Speaker 13 (32:40):
Now that thank you now've seen the election resold Donald
hamp performed better with than the previous several Republicans with
most every people group.
Speaker 14 (32:50):
He did better with black men, better with Latino men,
better with white men and white women. Like it's just
a fact that he has tapped into something.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
And what I think of it was running against a woman.
I'm telling you, but.
Speaker 14 (33:00):
I'm saying that men showed up more for him. So
you think that Democrats who were with Biden in twenty
twenty left to be with Trump because they're sexist.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I don't know the reason, but it's very suspecial. It's
very suspicious.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
We men, Deborah, we're so my goodness gracious that you know,
how how would it be to live your life where
everything is so simple that every single win or loss
is simply based upon the gender of the individual or
the color of their skin. That may be simple and
allows you to have a lot of outrage and virtue signaling,
but it's not reality. The way that they look down
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on the American people and men in this sistance, that
they do not think in a more sophisticated manner of
you know what, hey, I actually do want our border secure.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Hey, guess what, I actually.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Don't want to be paying Russia for Oliver oil or
funding Iran. I mean, I've seen it on the female side,
and I'm so tired of the patronizing towards strong women
who think for themselves. But you know what I said,
Joy behar American men have been masculated in our culture
for decades, treated like the buffoon.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I used to say when I was acting.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
If I went on a commercial and I was the hero, wipe,
I knew the spot would be my dufest husband was
about to blow up the house with the barbecue because
they couldn't handle it.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
I mean, I'm.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Actually really encouraged by men who are standing and saying,
you know enough already. I am a man and there's
nothing to be shared. I raised a young man with
my husband, who I love, who's a strong man, and
as a twenty twenty year old young man, I don't
want him to live into in a world where he
is being told what he should do or that is
(34:37):
masculinity as toxic.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I'm sorry. Could I go on longer?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I could, but I stop now.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That was awesome and Christian last word to you, I
think the GOP should be funding people like Joy Beha.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
David hog Here.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
There are secret weapons. They are doing the work for
us and there's no one better.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Okay, those are the nominees. We'll get the votes of
both Deborah Flora and Christian Total when we come back
wrapping up this edition the Right Side of Hollywood. After this,
(35:17):
I had some sad news to pass along on this Friday.
Loretta Sweat that's known as hot lips on mash has
passed away the age of eighty seven Emmy winning actress
and of course part of the most iconic television cast
in the nineteen seventies and early eighties. I believe Devor
the Mash Finale to this day is the highest rated
television program ever. That wasn't like a Super Bowl. It
(35:38):
was seedy episode. It's up there anyway.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
I don't know the actual numbers, but I wouldn't be
surprised it was. It was also groundbreaking and that it
changed the mold of where a comedy could be set,
and of all places, it was set in Vietnam.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, yeah, Korea, says Chennon. Of course.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Sorry the Warren Crea, thank you so much for that kind.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Of catch all there, and he was able to come
with that music. Yes, wink of an eye now in
the wink of a vote, Christian tote, one person, one vote.
We're not Democrats here. You can't vote more than once.
This is a tough one.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I feel like James Comy should be the perennial winner,
but I think I think Joy Behar really captures how
the Democratic Party has chased men away so aggressively and
is in denial.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
So that two for is why I give her my vote.
Joy Bahar according to Christian Toto, you could vote too
five seven, seven three nine Deborah.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Okay, So I was going to do Joy Bayhart, but
I feel like we're, you know, at a restaurant and
we're ordering, so you got that dish. So I got
to go with a different one. And I already let
off my full steam over joy before the break. I'm
gonna have to go with Michelle Obama because we talked
about James Commy before.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I am so tired of people who.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Have achieved such successes showing the good nature of the
American people that have voted for the first black president,
first black first lady, to then go and somehow sing
a sad song of how how tough it was, and
then have Joe Biden share the same thing.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
That's and by the way, the reason why it gets
me too. We need to get back to people in
these elected offices looking at what it really is an
act of service to serve the American people.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
She had a privilege to serve.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
She's Deubora Flora, he's Christian Total. I'm Ryan schuling. I'm
coming back there leaving me after this
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