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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For my friend Ryan Schuling.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I get to be here with him every Friday and
with Christian Toto right at two o'clock to talk about
the intersection of Hollywood and politics. And today these two
hours are going fast, but I'm sitting in the chair
from the entire show.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And it is going quickly. Well, I want to get
right to my next guest. She is a wonderful woman.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We got to spend really a lot of last week
together at the Moms for Liberty Summit. I serve on
the board, honored and privileged to do so. Roslin Hanson
works with Moms for Liberty. But even more than that,
she is a mom. She is a mom standing up
for what is right. And she was one of the
plaintiffs in the moch Mood versus Taylor case at the
(00:43):
Supreme Court decided majority six street decision that guess what,
parents actually have the constitutional right to raise their children
and guide their education according to their beliefs and values.
Shouldn't have need a Supreme Court case for that, but
there it is. Rosland, thank you so much for joining me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh, thank you so much, Steborah for having me. I
appreciate this opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, absolutely, Well, I want to just jump right into
it because this show's going so fast. It seems like
the moth mood is is Taylor case if people are
not aware of it. This was the school district you're
in in Maryland, Montgomery County Public Schools, And from my understanding,
in twenty twenty three, they said parents are no longer
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allowed to opt out of books that they don't agree
with that goes against their belief and their faith. And
we're talking all the way down to preschool to fifth grade.
Can you tell us a little bit more about what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, that's exactly right. So in November of twenty twenty two,
the district introduced a series of LGBTQ plus inclusive texts
for English Language Art. Those are the required class that
students have to take. These books, they talked about pronouns,
they talked about being able to change one's biological sex,
(02:05):
they talked about boys being able to become girls, and
parents celebrating this a variety of issues that go against
the deeply held religious beliefs. And so the district started
with allowing parents to opt out of these books. But
then in March of twenty twenty three, Literally overnight, they
rescinded that opt out, and that's when parents started to
(02:27):
band together and say, no, this isn't okay. This is
a violation of our First Amendment right. And what's beautiful
about this case is that it brought together a diverse
coalition of religions. We had Lukums, we had Ethiopian Orthodox Christians, Catholics,
the Jewish community, and we rallied for two years all
the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think that's such an important point because oftentimes people
try to erroneously make this fight, oh, it's Christians against
the LGB community. That nothing could be further from the truth.
This is any parent who has the desire to raise
their child according to their deeply held faith, belief, value system.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And you know, I mean, we can take it an
even further.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think it should be an opt in, not an
opt out, But they even took that right away. I
think it's interesting, Rosland. I was reading some of the
books preschool. We're talking about pre school, before kindergarten. They
were reading Two Children Puppy Pride, fifth grade, a book
the true story of a boy named Penelope.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
How did you get involved in this case.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I got involved in the case because I have a
child in Montgomery County public schools and because the chapter
of Moms for Liberty had just been founded here in
Montgomery County that November, and so when this opt out
was taken, my cousin and I actually were like, we
need to start an organization, we need to rally people.
And then we found Moms for Liberty and said, oh, look,
lo and behold, it already exists. But I'll use pride Puppy.
(03:57):
Like you just said, we had pre case student. So
we're asked to go look for the intersex flag lace
leather underwear. And what the district won't tell you is
that during all of this lawsuit saga, they actually were
scinded that book itself from the curriculum. So they knew
what they were doing was wrong and against THEOS beliefs.
(04:18):
They just chose to double down and keep doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, it's crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
They do what they think they can get away with,
not whether or not it's right or wrong. And you know,
as I introduced the beginning, first of all, if you're
just tuning in, Deborah Floora sitting in for Ryan shugling
my guests. Rosalind Hanson honored to be the board chair
for Moms for Liberty Nashally. Roslind, you are doing so
much great work both with the National Office as well
(04:43):
as with with the Maryland and the Montgomery County Moms
for Liberty. You know, Moms of Liberty has come under
fire falsely once again because people say it's an organization
that's about book banning, or they might say that about this.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's not what it is at all.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Obviously, people can still get these books in their library.
You can still opt in if you want to, people
can opt out. Talk about that and how that is
just really a false criticism.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You're exactly right, Debra, And so through the entire lawsuit
would be tailor. We never were asking the books to
be removed. We were simply asking to be informed about
what our children were being exposed to so that we
can make decisions based on our familiar values and our faith,
and so we want to make sure we live and
here Montgomery County. Fun fact, we are the most religiously
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diverse county in the entire country.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
We have five of top fifteen wallet hub most diverse
cities in the country. So we need to make space
for all here. And that's what our coalition came together
to say, is that all voices deserve to be respected
in this and Mom's for liberty is no different right.
We want parents to drive what is being taught to
their children, not the government.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, it's about age appropriate books because even here in Colorado,
we've got a case going on with Elizabeth School District
and that was about the entire community saying not just
books about LGBTQA, but there are books that had suicide
I eighty ideation, you know how to do that, They
had drug books, they had all kinds of things. Is
just returning to transparency and speaking of transparency, since the
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Supreme Court upheld my business, Taylor just I believe it
was in June or July, tell me what has been
happening in Montgomery County public schools because one would like
to think that the need for vigilance is over.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But what's going on right now?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
A great question. So the board and the district responded
with something they're calling refrigerator curriculum and then theory and concept.
It is a great idea, like here is what your
fifth grader is going to learn in first quarter for English,
and so you can print that out and put it
on your fridge, so that way you can think at home,
mom and dad could have a conversation with Johnny about
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what book he is reading. And so well intended. The
reality is the first quarter data came out, and we
live in one hundred and sixty thousand student school districts perspective,
it's a very very large of all of those students
after the first quarter, a insignificant small. Only forty three
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families representing fifty eight students chose to opt out. And
the reason I think that is is because the burden
still really really lies on the parents. And I don't
know that what the county did is really in the
spirit of what was intended to respect to opt out,
because there's a little fine print on the website that says, oh,
(07:40):
here's your refrigerator curriculum. But if you put this link,
here are all the supplemental texture teacher could use. That
takes you to a list of over two thousand bookstebra
and has to comb through. So that's not really in
the spirit of protecting the opt out religious liberty.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I don't think, yeah, absolutely, you would think that it
be okay, here's all the books that your child's going
to read this year or have access to, and then
you should have the right to say yes or no
to certain things. And once again, if you're just tuning in,
we're talking about the fact that we're these are pre
K students up to fifth grade. Parents were told they
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did not even have a right to opt out. That
was a return of the Supreme Court. I also think
it's interesting you've talked about this trend that is happening
in Montgomery County, which is really happening across the country.
Part of the reason why so few families may have
opted out is because they're not actually making it very
clear what those two thousand books are. But also there's
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been a trend towards exiting. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You are exactly right. So in Montgomery County alone, from
twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four school year, we
saw a twenty eight percent increase in students and families
choosing to students participating in home schooling, and the district
as a whole lost a thousand students last year.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Wo.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So one of the other reasons is the parents who
can exit public school are and they're voting with their
feet with how they're going to raise their children in
forms of education.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, and you know you shared something, the burden it
would take a parent who's working hard raising their kids,
oftentimes having to work a job as well.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We know what that's like. This is why moms are
rising up.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
We know what it's like to have to go to
the doctor's office, to a game, get your kids everywhere,
and work and do all of that, and to then
click on a link that is hidden search through two
thousand books. You said one mom said it took her
entire day just to go through all of the books.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So yes, she said she used AI to help her
to comb through, which I admire that, But she said
she took a whole day off of work. She had
to spend that time researching asatility to land on because
she has two children in the school system, right, So
think about having to do that for every child. And
so the burden is and why would you do that
when you could just turn yourself to homeschool them or
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send them to a private institution where you can have trust.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know, I think it's time for every American that
is listening. Whether you agree or don't agree. Whether you
want to go out and buy a set of LGBTQI
books for your child to read, that's your right, that's
your freedom. So but I think it's time for everybody
like we spoke to Kate Triles earlier, who's got a
case before the Supreme Court. Her question was, anytime you're
told you're not allowed to say something by the government,
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you should wonder same thing here. Anytime your school district
makes it incredibly hard to find out what your children
are being taught, even after the Supreme Court found them
in the wrong, you should really be asking even more,
you know when when we were at the Mom's or
Liberty Summit this past weekend, and I had a privilege
to lead a really great panel that supports good teachers
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and talk about the Teachers' Union doesn't actually support them
but pushes this ideology. One of their twenty twenty five
new business i'ms for the NEA, the largest national teachers organization,
was actually about the case that you were a plaintiff
on Momhood versus Taylor, trying to guide teachers how to
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hide what they're doing and circumvent the Supreme Court ruling
and still hide things from parents of what they're teaching
our kids and what books they're showing.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Tell me your thoughts about that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I think it's really concerning that we have educators who
are positioning themselves as anti parent or how to exclude
a parent from their child education. And so all of
our listeners right now should be really concerned about what
involvement a teachers' union has in their local public school.
How are they helping to get school board members elected,
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and how are they controlling the narrative, because they're making
it clear that they're not interested in partnering with parents.
They want to sideline and stiff farm them so that
they can control the minds and behaviors and the outcomes
of the students.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, I mean the golden Triangle of education, when we
were actually the best education system in the world was
parents and teachers working together for the good of students.
The teachers came in and exploded that a couple of
statistics for listeners. There was no federal funding of education
until nineteen sixty five. There was no Department of Education
until nineteen seventy nine, as a backroom deal between Jimmy
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Carter and the teachers unions, and I asked a simple question,
are academics better or worse?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And by the way, it's worse for teachers.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Also, the unions are not of their All of their
new business items the NEA had in twenty twenty five,
none of it was about raising academics and none of
it was about improving the classroom environment or making more
money go to the classroom. Because you know, I think
it's administrators have got up ninety five percent in the
last almost decade and a half, where teachers and student
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levels have stagnated and in some cases gone down. You know,
rozn you've stood up. You know at school boards, you've
stood up. At the Supreme Court with this case, You've
stood up. We've been together from the Supreme Court steps
for a press conference for the Hunter's Dinniversity or the
Peers decision. What would you say to anyone that is
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searching for the courage to stand up and just make
their voices heard and stand up for what's right.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I think go to Moms for Liberty dot org. You're
going to find an army of moms who will help
empower you. Whether if you're not ready to speak at
a school board meeting yet or a city council meeting.
Yet you'll find somebody who can give you courage, or
give you advice from behind the scenes, or help you
to get educated. So find your voice that way by
finding your tribe and really dig into what your homework
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is that your kids are bringing home. Those would be
my two advices. If the schoolwork is happening on the screen,
you've got to get behind that screen with the kid.
And you've got to make sure that you are understanding
what books they're reading, if they're reading whole whole textbooks.
So go to Momsliberty dot org and get behind the
screen where your kid is learning.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, that is great input.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And we've got to be twenty four to seven citizens
just like we're twenty four to seven parents. And and
many think that the fight is over because oh, you know,
the COVID shutdown.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Ended, our kids are back in school.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You've got cases like Mahmod versus Taylor, that one at
the Supreme Court. But what it has shown in your
school district is there is still a resistance to adhere
not only to what is constitutionally correct, which is parents
of every faith having the right to guide the upbringing
of their children, but also just doing what is right
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for you know, for for students and parents. So I
really appreciate that. Thank you, Roslin. Great to talk with
you again. I'm not to just call you next week
because I'm getting used to getting to talk to you
every week.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So this is phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Thank you too.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Thank you, Rosalind. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, that was my guest, Roslin Hanson, one of the
plaintiffs of the math Mood versus Taylor case.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And I think what was.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So interesting about what she's sharing is, you know, I
think that we have to get back to the understanding
that those who want to make these fights about things
they are not we need to look at and examine it.
I'm honored to be the board chair for Moms for Liberty.
They've come under a lot of heat, and the main
thing people say is, oh, they're book banners.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That is absolutely not the case.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
No one, by the way, is saying a book should
not be available in the public library. Yeah, maybe one
about extreme graphic sexual imagery that's also in some cases,
like an Elizabeth violent sexual imagery imagery is not appropriate
for elementary school.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Maybe maybe how to books.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
On suicide are not appropriate for high school and maybe
we should just let kids be kids.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But I got to tell.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You you can still go get those books in the
library if you want. You know who is actually working
to change the books. How about we use all of
that feurer against people who are rewriting some books that
come out are Elstein has talked about this.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Or they ban books like To Kill a mocking.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Bird because they use a term starting with the N
that we don't use now, but it was a term
used in the period, and it's one of the most
anti racist books around.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So we got to look at that really clearly.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I think there's another interesting statistic because what's happening as
teachers' unions are doubling down on trying to circumvent parents
not focusing on education.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
By the way, we are solow.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
In academic achievement right now around the nation. I don't
have the numbers right in front of me, but it's
approximately less than thirty percent are proficient in math and reading.
Approximately could be give or take a few not proficient
in math and reading. If you are for education, which
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we all should be, then we need to do everything
we can.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
To encourage people to get back to educate. And by
the way, you know who wants that.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
A lot are teachers. Here's an interesting statistic. If it
continues going this way, and schools continue to try to
shut out parents and teachers' unions still try to push
ideology that really is not needed in pre k for
preschoolers to read about the proud puppy or puppy pride
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or whatever it was, Well, this is what happens. There
is a poll by the Learning Council, neither a left
nor right organization, just a research group that says, by
twenty thirty, if we continue on this trajectory, by twenty thirty,
just five years from now, only fifty percent of students
will still be in public schools. Think about that fifty percent,
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thirty percent will be homeschooling. I don't know about you,
but it doesn't really surprise me. But I'll tell you
where I see great excitement and encouragement. There are amazing teachers.
I've had the privilege of travel around the country in
the last year working on school board and school choice policy.
There are amazing teachers all over this country who are
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tired of being dictated to, are tired of unsafe classrooms,
are tired of being told by the teachers' unions. They've
got to push ideological and political agendas instead of getting
back to reading, writing, arithmetic.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And they are the new entrepreneurs.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
They're out there forming all kinds of micro schools, driving
a revolution in education, and our children will be the
beneficiaries because it's going to focus on academics.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
That is what school's about. And by the way, parents
won't be shut out. Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Devra Flora sitting in for Ryan Shuling
For my friend Ryan Schuling.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I get to be here with him every Friday and
with Christian Toto right at two o'clock to talk about
the intersection of Hollywood and politics. And today these two
hours are going fast, but I'm sitting in the chair
from the entire show.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And it is going quickly. Well, I want to get
right to my next guest. She is a wonderful woman.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We got to spend really a lot of last week
together at the Moms for Liberty Summit. I serve on
the board, honored and privileged to do so. Roslin Hanson
works with Moms for Liberty. But even more than that,
she is a mom. She is a mom standing up
for what is right. And she was one of the
plaintiffs in the moch Mood versus Taylor case at the
(00:43):
Supreme Court decided majority six street decision that guess what,
parents actually have the constitutional right to raise their children
and guide their education according to their beliefs and values.
Shouldn't have need a Supreme Court case for that, but
there it is. Rosland, thank you so much for joining me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh, thank you so much, Steborah for having me. I
appreciate this opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, absolutely, Well, I want to just jump right into
it because this show's going so fast. It seems like
the moth mood is is Taylor case if people are
not aware of it. This was the school district you're
in in Maryland, Montgomery County Public Schools, And from my understanding,
in twenty twenty three, they said parents are no longer
(01:30):
allowed to opt out of books that they don't agree
with that goes against their belief and their faith. And
we're talking all the way down to preschool to fifth grade.
Can you tell us a little bit more about what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, that's exactly right. So in November of twenty twenty two,
the district introduced a series of LGBTQ plus inclusive texts
for English Language Art. Those are the required class that
students have to take. These books, they talked about pronouns,
they talked about being able to change one's biological sex,
(02:05):
they talked about boys being able to become girls, and
parents celebrating this a variety of issues that go against
the deeply held religious beliefs. And so the district started
with allowing parents to opt out of these books. But
then in March of twenty twenty three, Literally overnight, they
rescinded that opt out, and that's when parents started to
(02:27):
band together and say, no, this isn't okay. This is
a violation of our First Amendment right. And what's beautiful
about this case is that it brought together a diverse
coalition of religions. We had Lukums, we had Ethiopian Orthodox Christians, Catholics,
the Jewish community, and we rallied for two years all
the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think that's such an important point because oftentimes people
try to erroneously make this fight, oh, it's Christians against
the LGB community. That nothing could be further from the truth.
This is any parent who has the desire to raise
their child according to their deeply held faith, belief, value system.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And you know, I mean, we can take it an
even further.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think it should be an opt in, not an
opt out, But they even took that right away. I
think it's interesting, Rosland. I was reading some of the
books preschool. We're talking about pre school, before kindergarten. They
were reading Two Children Puppy Pride, fifth grade, a book
the true story of a boy named Penelope.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
How did you get involved in this case.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I got involved in the case because I have a
child in Montgomery County public schools and because the chapter
of Moms for Liberty had just been founded here in
Montgomery County that November, and so when this opt out
was taken, my cousin and I actually were like, we
need to start an organization, we need to rally people.
And then we found Moms for Liberty and said, oh, look,
lo and behold, it already exists. But I'll use pride Puppy.
(03:57):
Like you just said, we had pre case student. So
we're asked to go look for the intersex flag lace
leather underwear. And what the district won't tell you is
that during all of this lawsuit saga, they actually were
scinded that book itself from the curriculum. So they knew
what they were doing was wrong and against THEOS beliefs.
(04:18):
They just chose to double down and keep doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, it's crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
They do what they think they can get away with,
not whether or not it's right or wrong. And you know,
as I introduced the beginning, first of all, if you're
just tuning in, Deborah Floora sitting in for Ryan shugling
my guests. Rosalind Hanson honored to be the board chair
for Moms for Liberty Nashally. Roslind, you are doing so
much great work both with the National Office as well
(04:43):
as with with the Maryland and the Montgomery County Moms
for Liberty. You know, Moms of Liberty has come under
fire falsely once again because people say it's an organization
that's about book banning, or they might say that about this.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's not what it is at all.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Obviously, people can still get these books in their library.
You can still opt in if you want to, people
can opt out. Talk about that and how that is
just really a false criticism.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You're exactly right, Debra, And so through the entire lawsuit
would be tailor. We never were asking the books to
be removed. We were simply asking to be informed about
what our children were being exposed to so that we
can make decisions based on our familiar values and our faith,
and so we want to make sure we live and
here Montgomery County. Fun fact, we are the most religiously
(05:32):
diverse county in the entire country.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
We have five of top fifteen wallet hub most diverse
cities in the country. So we need to make space
for all here. And that's what our coalition came together
to say, is that all voices deserve to be respected
in this and Mom's for liberty is no different right.
We want parents to drive what is being taught to
their children, not the government.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, it's about age appropriate books because even here in Colorado,
we've got a case going on with Elizabeth School District
and that was about the entire community saying not just
books about LGBTQA, but there are books that had suicide
I eighty ideation, you know how to do that, They
had drug books, they had all kinds of things. Is
just returning to transparency and speaking of transparency, since the
(06:19):
Supreme Court upheld my business, Taylor just I believe it
was in June or July, tell me what has been
happening in Montgomery County public schools because one would like
to think that the need for vigilance is over.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But what's going on right now?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
A great question. So the board and the district responded
with something they're calling refrigerator curriculum and then theory and concept.
It is a great idea, like here is what your
fifth grader is going to learn in first quarter for English,
and so you can print that out and put it
on your fridge, so that way you can think at home,
mom and dad could have a conversation with Johnny about
(06:59):
what book he is reading. And so well intended. The
reality is the first quarter data came out, and we
live in one hundred and sixty thousand student school districts perspective,
it's a very very large of all of those students
after the first quarter, a insignificant small. Only forty three
(07:20):
families representing fifty eight students chose to opt out. And
the reason I think that is is because the burden
still really really lies on the parents. And I don't
know that what the county did is really in the
spirit of what was intended to respect to opt out,
because there's a little fine print on the website that says, oh,
(07:40):
here's your refrigerator curriculum. But if you put this link,
here are all the supplemental texture teacher could use. That
takes you to a list of over two thousand bookstebra
and has to comb through. So that's not really in
the spirit of protecting the opt out religious liberty.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I don't think, yeah, absolutely, you would think that it
be okay, here's all the books that your child's going
to read this year or have access to, and then
you should have the right to say yes or no
to certain things. And once again, if you're just tuning in,
we're talking about the fact that we're these are pre
K students up to fifth grade. Parents were told they
(08:19):
did not even have a right to opt out. That
was a return of the Supreme Court. I also think
it's interesting you've talked about this trend that is happening
in Montgomery County, which is really happening across the country.
Part of the reason why so few families may have
opted out is because they're not actually making it very
clear what those two thousand books are. But also there's
(08:41):
been a trend towards exiting. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You are exactly right. So in Montgomery County alone, from
twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four school year, we
saw a twenty eight percent increase in students and families
choosing to students participating in home schooling, and the district
as a whole lost a thousand students last year.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Wo.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So one of the other reasons is the parents who
can exit public school are and they're voting with their
feet with how they're going to raise their children in
forms of education.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, and you know you shared something, the burden it
would take a parent who's working hard raising their kids,
oftentimes having to work a job as well.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We know what that's like. This is why moms are
rising up.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
We know what it's like to have to go to
the doctor's office, to a game, get your kids everywhere,
and work and do all of that, and to then
click on a link that is hidden search through two
thousand books. You said one mom said it took her
entire day just to go through all of the books.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So yes, she said she used AI to help her
to comb through, which I admire that, But she said
she took a whole day off of work. She had
to spend that time researching asatility to land on because
she has two children in the school system, right, So
think about having to do that for every child. And
so the burden is and why would you do that
when you could just turn yourself to homeschool them or
(10:01):
send them to a private institution where you can have trust.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know, I think it's time for every American that
is listening. Whether you agree or don't agree. Whether you
want to go out and buy a set of LGBTQI
books for your child to read, that's your right, that's
your freedom. So but I think it's time for everybody
like we spoke to Kate Triles earlier, who's got a
case before the Supreme Court. Her question was, anytime you're
told you're not allowed to say something by the government,
(10:25):
you should wonder same thing here. Anytime your school district
makes it incredibly hard to find out what your children
are being taught, even after the Supreme Court found them
in the wrong, you should really be asking even more,
you know when when we were at the Mom's or
Liberty Summit this past weekend, and I had a privilege
to lead a really great panel that supports good teachers
(10:48):
and talk about the Teachers' Union doesn't actually support them
but pushes this ideology. One of their twenty twenty five
new business i'ms for the NEA, the largest national teachers organization,
was actually about the case that you were a plaintiff
on Momhood versus Taylor, trying to guide teachers how to
(11:10):
hide what they're doing and circumvent the Supreme Court ruling
and still hide things from parents of what they're teaching
our kids and what books they're showing.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Tell me your thoughts about that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I think it's really concerning that we have educators who
are positioning themselves as anti parent or how to exclude
a parent from their child education. And so all of
our listeners right now should be really concerned about what
involvement a teachers' union has in their local public school.
How are they helping to get school board members elected,
(11:41):
and how are they controlling the narrative, because they're making
it clear that they're not interested in partnering with parents.
They want to sideline and stiff farm them so that
they can control the minds and behaviors and the outcomes
of the students.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, I mean the golden Triangle of education, when we
were actually the best education system in the world was
parents and teachers working together for the good of students.
The teachers came in and exploded that a couple of
statistics for listeners. There was no federal funding of education
until nineteen sixty five. There was no Department of Education
until nineteen seventy nine, as a backroom deal between Jimmy
(12:15):
Carter and the teachers unions, and I asked a simple question,
are academics better or worse?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And by the way, it's worse for teachers.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Also, the unions are not of their All of their
new business items the NEA had in twenty twenty five,
none of it was about raising academics and none of
it was about improving the classroom environment or making more
money go to the classroom. Because you know, I think
it's administrators have got up ninety five percent in the
last almost decade and a half, where teachers and student
(12:47):
levels have stagnated and in some cases gone down. You know,
rozn you've stood up. You know at school boards, you've
stood up. At the Supreme Court with this case, You've
stood up. We've been together from the Supreme Court steps
for a press conference for the Hunter's Dinniversity or the
Peers decision. What would you say to anyone that is
(13:07):
searching for the courage to stand up and just make
their voices heard and stand up for what's right.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I think go to Moms for Liberty dot org. You're
going to find an army of moms who will help
empower you. Whether if you're not ready to speak at
a school board meeting yet or a city council meeting.
Yet you'll find somebody who can give you courage, or
give you advice from behind the scenes, or help you
to get educated. So find your voice that way by
finding your tribe and really dig into what your homework
(13:36):
is that your kids are bringing home. Those would be
my two advices. If the schoolwork is happening on the screen,
you've got to get behind that screen with the kid.
And you've got to make sure that you are understanding
what books they're reading, if they're reading whole whole textbooks.
So go to Momsliberty dot org and get behind the
screen where your kid is learning.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, that is great input.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And we've got to be twenty four to seven citizens
just like we're twenty four to seven parents. And and
many think that the fight is over because oh, you know,
the COVID shutdown.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Ended, our kids are back in school.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You've got cases like Mahmod versus Taylor, that one at
the Supreme Court. But what it has shown in your
school district is there is still a resistance to adhere
not only to what is constitutionally correct, which is parents
of every faith having the right to guide the upbringing
of their children, but also just doing what is right
(14:29):
for you know, for for students and parents. So I
really appreciate that. Thank you, Roslin. Great to talk with
you again. I'm not to just call you next week
because I'm getting used to getting to talk to you
every week.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So this is phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Thank you too.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Thank you, Rosalind. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, that was my guest, Roslin Hanson, one of the
plaintiffs of the math Mood versus Taylor case.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And I think what was.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So interesting about what she's sharing is, you know, I
think that we have to get back to the understanding
that those who want to make these fights about things
they are not we need to look at and examine it.
I'm honored to be the board chair for Moms for Liberty.
They've come under a lot of heat, and the main
thing people say is, oh, they're book banners.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That is absolutely not the case.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
No one, by the way, is saying a book should
not be available in the public library. Yeah, maybe one
about extreme graphic sexual imagery that's also in some cases,
like an Elizabeth violent sexual imagery imagery is not appropriate
for elementary school.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Maybe maybe how to books.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
On suicide are not appropriate for high school and maybe
we should just let kids be kids.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But I got to tell.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You you can still go get those books in the
library if you want. You know who is actually working
to change the books. How about we use all of
that feurer against people who are rewriting some books that
come out are Elstein has talked about this.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Or they ban books like To Kill a mocking.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Bird because they use a term starting with the N
that we don't use now, but it was a term
used in the period, and it's one of the most
anti racist books around.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So we got to look at that really clearly.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I think there's another interesting statistic because what's happening as
teachers' unions are doubling down on trying to circumvent parents
not focusing on education.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
By the way, we are solow.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
In academic achievement right now around the nation. I don't
have the numbers right in front of me, but it's
approximately less than thirty percent are proficient in math and reading.
Approximately could be give or take a few not proficient
in math and reading. If you are for education, which
(16:53):
we all should be, then we need to do everything
we can.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
To encourage people to get back to educate. And by
the way, you know who wants that.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
A lot are teachers. Here's an interesting statistic. If it
continues going this way, and schools continue to try to
shut out parents and teachers' unions still try to push
ideology that really is not needed in pre k for
preschoolers to read about the proud puppy or puppy pride
(17:25):
or whatever it was, Well, this is what happens. There
is a poll by the Learning Council, neither a left
nor right organization, just a research group that says, by
twenty thirty, if we continue on this trajectory, by twenty thirty,
just five years from now, only fifty percent of students
will still be in public schools. Think about that fifty percent,
(17:48):
thirty percent will be homeschooling. I don't know about you,
but it doesn't really surprise me. But I'll tell you
where I see great excitement and encouragement. There are amazing teachers.
I've had the privilege of travel around the country in
the last year working on school board and school choice policy.
There are amazing teachers all over this country who are
(18:08):
tired of being dictated to, are tired of unsafe classrooms,
are tired of being told by the teachers' unions. They've
got to push ideological and political agendas instead of getting
back to reading, writing, arithmetic.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And they are the new entrepreneurs.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
They're out there forming all kinds of micro schools, driving
a revolution in education, and our children will be the
beneficiaries because it's going to focus on academics.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
That is what school's about. And by the way, parents
won't be shut out. Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
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