July 29, 2025 • 36 mins
Ryan Edwards, Co-Host of "The Sports Zoo" on KOA, joins Ryan in studio with Nick Ferguson (via phone) to discuss CTE as it pertains to recent shooting in New York and any development in medical care for the condition.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's this space visible.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I mean, do they.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Have any idea at this.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Point who he is. They do not know who he is.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
They know he is a male, possibly white, He's wearing sunglasses,
he appears to have a mustache, and that picture has
been distributed to every police officer in New York City particularly,
has been sent to the phones of the search teams
inside that building, because whenever they encounter a group of people,
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the first thing they have to figure out is is
that individual among these people hiding among victims or pretending
to be an office worker, because one thing you don't
want to have happen is to have this kind of
cordon where you're trying to evacuate people in groups as
you can get them to a safe carritor and have
this person slip out with them. So, yes, they have
the picture.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And they have.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Distributed to everybody on the scene.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
All right, all right, John, stay with me. I know
you're obviously getting information here in real tis time as
we're talking. Shimon back with us on the phone on
the scene, showing you here to John's reporting that they
do know the fit, what he looks like, male, possibly white, mustache,
sunglasses in that building, isolated to they believe to various locations,
including upper floors. Is where they're focused. What are you learning, Shimon?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Now that's CNN in their coverage of the horrific shooting
in Manhattan by a gunman who has been reported since
had a psychiatric hold in twenty twenty two, in twenty
twenty four. But what jumped out at you from that
clip that you just heard critiquing mass media?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Class has begun?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
And I don't blame Aaron Burnett so much, although you
know I take issue with her a lot on CNN,
and she's just one of many. But man, am I
disappointed in John Miller, that reporter you heard, He goes
all the way back to ABC News.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
This is the guy. You might recognize his voice.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
He was the only American journalist to ever score a
sit down interview with Osama bin Laden in the caves
of Kandahar or whatever they took him. This guy, he's
a hero in journalism. When you go back to this,
he trusted these al Qaeda operators with his life and
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putting on a mask, transporting he didn't know where he
was going to this secluded cave location, and he did
this sit down with Osama bin Ladi meet. They could
have killed him on the spot, and he's the only
one that ever did that. And he got a lot
of information out of him. Although he made he told
the story that in real time. You know, he had
a translator, but he didn't know what Osama bin Laden
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was answering back in Arabic, so he just kept asking
the questions and then they had to go translated after
the fact. So when he was done with the interview,
he had no idea what he had or if he
had anything. John Miller also, during his time with ABC News,
was very instrumental in covering the mafia organized crime in
New York City. So this is a guy that comes
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to the table with a lot of gravitas, a lot
of credibility, and a lot of journalistic capital. But why
he would report They know he's a male possibly white folks.
Remember on Chappelle's show when he used to dress up
as a white television news anchor. And there was the
episode of Saturday Night Live back in the day when
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Eddie Murphy portrayed a white businessman. That would have been
more convincing presentation as a white person than the still
photo shot we saw. Now, anybody looking at that photo
that has an ounce of common sense or awareness or
has seen or I don't know people before in public, black, white,
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everything in between pretty much recognized on the spot at
that very moment that was not a quote unquote white man.
So why did they jump to that obviously erroneous conclusion
and report that is fact. Why was it he was
possibly white when he was definitely black?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Not that it should matter, but.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
My point in all of this, when the media has
a fifty to fifty coin flip call to make, why
does it always come up heads? What I mean by that,
every time a journalistic call could go one way or
the other, which way does it go?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It goes the other way.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
They are withholding information in my home state of Michigan
still about the suspect involved in the stabbing in Traverse City,
and we can all kind of guess as to why
because the narrative is not convenient because it might fuel speculation,
But they only create more of it by staying quiet
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on the details that they don't want the public to know.
But if it's a radicalized right wing white supremacist, white
Trump voter, maga hat wearing whatever, oh, that comes right out.
Even speculation like you just heard, comes right out in
the media wonders why we don't trust them anymore, the
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news media, John Miller, of all people in this case.
So this propelled them down this path. A lot of
criticism online because of it, but it goes Kelly.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Did you watch any of this coverage of the shooting. Yeah,
the shootings from yesterday I saw.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I actually went back and forth because I was curious
as to what CNN was saying, and I actually saw
that exchange with Burnett.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Did they show the photos in real time?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So we're looking at the photo in the audience and
we're being told this is possibly a white man.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Correct what it was? Your reaction in that moment.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
I couldn't believe it. I just I actually started laughing,
and then I and I had turned it back on Fox.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah, but you would agree with me that every time
there's something that's unknown, the speculation, if there is any
in the reporting, all leans in one direction.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Absolutely, and it's almost like they're willing it to be true.
John Miller had that interview with Osama bin Lauding many
many years ago. So it's soured him over working at
ABC News because one narrative that they're all trying to
paint and they're hoping that it's true and they're just
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forcing it. So I was just as shocked as you were.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well, here's the thing to me again, I'm coming into this.
I'm trying to have an objective, journalistic curiosity perspective about this.
And you report what you know, and you don't report
what you don't know. You don't go into the speculation
sphere and start spewing out Oh and you know, to
be fair, I heard a lot of this and it's
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very difficult. Jesse Waters was trying to cover this in
real time last night and he's asking, well, what was
he thinking? We don't know what he's thinking. The guy's nuts, obviously,
but I'll tell you this, It had zero percent to
do with race at all.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It had to do with he was in some way demented.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
And Mayor Eric Adams spoke about this New York City
Mayor he had deluded himself into believing he was an
NFL player, and then he got CTE from playing in
the NFL, although he had never played beyond high school.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Kelly, is that right? That is correct?
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I found a note in his pocket or something, right,
it did, and so but if you remember, the initial
kind of reactions were they had a witness that said
he screamed free Palestine. So there was that narrative going
on for a while that maybe this was somehow related.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Was that corroborating?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
No, okay, it was a person who spoke to I
believe it was Fox News, a reporter that had just
been on the scene. But although you know it happening
in real time, you really can't corroborate a lot of stuff.
So you just got to wait. And then, of course,
this morning, when I found out about the NFL hook
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and that he was actually wanting to go to the
NFL offices that are located in that building.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
He was off by one floor. Though I think we
are correct.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Wow, my goodness, the NFL headquarters in that very building,
and as it was, tragedy occurred to a New York
City police officer aged thirty six was killed. A young
female executive on that floor had nothing to.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Do with anything.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
But not that any of this would have made sense
regardless for this madman, maniac shooter, but just the reporting
of it. You have a responsibility, and that's going out
the window. I know that long ago. I'm not Pollyanna
over here. But it's narrative driving rather than straight reporting.
Do you want to get it right or do you
want to get it right away? And even if you
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wanted to get it right away, why are all of
your errors always heading in one direction? That shows the
literal definition of bias. Look it up that you wouldn't
make a mistake in the other direct. Oh, we've got
to back that one off the other way. No, it
always is a conclusion that drives the narrative. The media
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prefers this from Stephen Litlton, retired law enforcement officer.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Steve, thanks for your service. As always, the.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Media hacks will do anything and everything to deflect from
the predominant black on black crime in America. Steve, In general,
this is correct that the number one killer of young
black men are other young black men in the inner
cities and urban Chicago, in Detroit and elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
That is a fact.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
That is a mathematical statistical fact. But in this case,
it was arbitrary. It was haphazard. This guy came in,
like I said, he had completely lost his mind. He
wants his brain to be studied for CTE, and maybe
he had it. Maybe that happened to him, maybe he
suffered some concussions while playing high school football.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
He ended up taking his own life.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
And my whole thing is just, you know, cut the
killing the other people part out. I don't want anybody
to kill themselves, let me get that straight. But down
to the choice of this guy's losing it and he's
going to take out other innocent people and then himself,
or he just takes himself out, then yeah, I'm going
to opt for the latter one.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Why he had to go out and kill other people?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Again, none of this makes sense, But Steve just to
counter pushed back a little bit. In my view from
what I've watched, any and all of this, none of
it had to do with race, none of it. But
the media is always reluctant to report. For instance, to
Kelly's point, if this had been a radical Muslim extremist
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shouting from the river to the sea Palestine will be free,
or other type of epithets like that that would be
anti Semitic, anti Zionist, anti Israel, anti Jewish, then they're.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
A lot slower on their role to report that.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Not just from the media standpoint, but we see it
in law enforcement too. How many times have we seen
right here in Denver. Throughout Colorado, if a crime is
committed and the race is either not known or they
don't want it to be known, it'll be marked unknown
or white, and they're very reluctant. I don't know for
crime statistics what they're doing there to try to game
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the system.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
They leave that part out conveniently so or inconveniently so.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
And even the reporting statistics of the crimes themselves in
these urban centers Denver, San Francisco, Los Angeles. You know,
you see Gavin Newsom come out on X and he
calls out Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee is twice the murder rate
of California or Alabama does well. That's because those states
are apparently honestly reporting their numbers, whereas there's a whole
lot of gray area and nothingness an avoid in California.
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Some of these blu run states for the reasons that
I just stated. Five seven, seven, three nine is where
you can reach out. This goes to our good friend
Scott Jennings, who is a front of the program. We
love having him on. He now has his own kind
of one hour radio thing going on a competing station.
But he's analyzing with Patrick Bett David on his podcast,
exactly what are the Democrats doing, why are they doing it,
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and where are they going with it? They're going nowhere fast.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Democrats, because of the Biden presidency, because they lied about
Joe Biden's condition, because they lied to the country about
the inflationary impacts of his policies, have dug themselves the
deepest hole they've ever been in in the history of
their party. That's number one. Number two cultural radicalism. I mean,
when the hills you're willing to die on are boys
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and girls sports paying for transgender surgeries of inmates, which
Kamala Harris had in the last election. When you're willing
to die on these hills, when you're willing to go
and say maryland Man unfairly deported back to his home country,
I mean, when you're willing to die on all these
eighty twenty hills, eventually your approval reading will wind up.
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I'm no mathematician, but around twenty y they're getting there.
And so this hole they've dug themselves in, Like, if
I can't trust you not to put a boy in
my daughter's locker room, why would I talk to you
about taxation? Policy or inflation or tariffs or anything else.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You're trying to put a boy at my girls locker room,
right why?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
And they're too simplistic too, the Democrats and breaking down
their arguments when everything Trump does is bad, therefore the
opposite must be good. And we're on these eighty twenty
issues that the Democrats are on the twenty percent side of,
and they continue to double triple down on that position.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
This pushes people the other way.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Scott Jennings asked, you know, you weren't always a big
Trump fan, and he was kind of like me, like
I was a Ruvio guy in twenty sixteen. I thought
Trump was in it for the kind of media pop,
for his show, to promote The Apprentice.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I didn't think.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Donald Trump was going to stay in the race the
entire time for twenty sixteen. I didn't because he had
threatened to run so many times before, like interviews with
Bill O'Reilly or Howard Stern. You know, maybe I'd maybe
I'd run, but I would only run if I could win,
and I would win. And he's you know, he's saddled Trump.
He's a Blowhard's that's what we love about him. That's
part of his whole caricatures personality. But he got serious
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and picked up on that. And now he says the
Democrat they don't know how to counter him. They don't
know how to fight Trump with any kind of anti
Trump message.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Plus his opposition, the reflexive nature of his opposition to
hate and try to delegitimize him on everything he does,
I think is terrible for America. I mean they're rooting.
I mean, you wear that pin. They're rooting against America
on the tariffs all April. They were hoping it would fail.
Imagine that they're holding him on Iran when we bombed
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the missile sites.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
What's the first thing that happened.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
We got to impeach him?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Oh, he didn't do that much damage. The immediate delegitimization
of this guy. Every time he does something, they root
for America's failure.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So does he does? He everything he does do? I
no no.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Politician, I'm one hundred percent all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But I'll tell you this.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
I like it that he roots for America and I
hate it that they root against America just.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Because he did it. And I think that's why a
lot of people are fine with it. They are and
as Harry Enton.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
In recent polling, Trump is pulling away on foreign policy
and also when it comes to the economy, and that's
driving certain folks nuts, like Jim Kramer of MSNBC, a
nominee for our Friday Fool of the Week, both at
the one cut.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
What the us?
Speaker 9 (15:19):
Oh my god, I'm so sorry, everybody.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Okay, it's cable with a cable with a ticker.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Take it back, people doing live TV.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Jim to your point, you can't take it back, Jim Cramer.
And then there was an exchange that vp uh jd
Vance had with the media about the Epstein files. But again,
isn't it curious that all of a sudden, now Democrats,
the left, the mainstream media, they're all up in arms
and concerned.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
About the Epstein files. Scott Jennings calls that out for
what it is.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
The solution is is for people to realize Democrats only
care about this for one reason. They have completely and
utterly failed to stop Trump for the last six months.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
This is just the latest thing.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
And by the way, next month it'll be something else,
and next month it'll be something else. They are lurching
from one made up thing to the next to try
to implant in the public firmament the idea that Trump
had something to do with Epstein's wrongdoing.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's the same thing they did with Russia.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
We just want people to believe he stole Russia sole
the election for him.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
Now they half the.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Country believes it. They want half the country to believe
that he had something to do with Epstein. Whether it's
true or not, it's not true, but whether it is
or not, they just need that to become part of
a narrative, no facts, no truth, narrative. This is why
they're cratering, because people are onto the narrative driven politics.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
This is why people didn't turn away from Rachel Maddow
because of that dopamine hit. For the Trump haters, they
needed it to be true. They wanted to wish it
and will it into existence, the Russia collusion hoax. Rachel
Maddow every single night on her program, lied to her viewers,
insulted their intelligence. But the clapping seals that were watching
didn't care because they hated Trump more than they cared
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about the truth. Didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Fit the truth into taking down Trump.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
The Orange Man Chuck Schumer, we'll see his latest effort
I'm sure it's top notch.
Speaker 9 (17:17):
What's happening here in Washington with all this cost increase
happening with all this chaos. In addition, unfortunately its unprecedented corruption.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
What.
Speaker 9 (17:30):
Never in our lifetimes have we seen a president use
the levers of power so transparently to personally enrich himself
on his inner circle.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That never happened in America. Joe Biden Hunter Biden.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
President's Democrats, Republicans, Independence, Conservatives, Liberals. They respected the fact
that their office, being in high office, was a guardianship,
not to grab and reach what and make punt money
and enrich themselves.
Speaker 10 (17:58):
What.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
But that's what Trump is doing regularly.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Look at the Obama's net worth before and after leaving office.
Look at the Clinton's net worth before and leaving office.
Look at Mitch McConnell, look at Nancy Pelosi, look at
Joe Biden, and then observe Donald Trump. This is the
one guy who has lost money by being president of
the United States. He donates his salary every month to
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another charity or special cause.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He doesn't collect a dime. But that's the guy that's
guilty of corruption. Give me a.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Break, Chuck Schumer GT to the fo over there. Trump
is winning and it's driving the left nuts. We'll take
this time out more on the shooting in Manhattan yesterday.
Special guests coming up at as a sports Angle, so
Ryan Edwards will join us along with Nick Ferguson as well.
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Speaker 11 (20:27):
People who were shot, one being the suspect. As you indicated,
he turned the gun on himself and shot himself.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
In the chess.
Speaker 11 (20:36):
He appeared to have some history of mental health mental
health history from what we're getting from our partners in
the Nevada Las Vegas area, but it's just a real
unfortunate situation. The suspect walked into the building three forty
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five paulk Avenue, car in his right hand and automatic
weapon immediately discharged round shot a police officer. Islam of
a three year veteran with two children and his wife
is expected a child on the way. And again our
hospitals out to the entire city in generals, but specifically
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domnon women in the NYPD in office Islam's family, Yes,
we agree with you and send our condolences as well.
Tell us about the apparent suicide note that was in
the shooter's pocket. He alluded to having CTE from playing
in the NFL. He never played in the NFL, and
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he alluded to the CTE being the reason for his illness.
It appears as though he was going after the employees
at the NFL, the Building forty five house the NFL's
cool Quoll company there as well. But we're still going
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through this this suicide note to zero in on the
exact reason. But at this time it appears as though
something that is attached to his belief he experienced the
team from planning in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
New York City Mayor Eric Adams, and it's helpful that he,
a former police officer, knows how to go through this
kind of evidence, analyze it and try to sift through
what is from what isn't and just the details of this.
You know, usually the gentlemen who are about to join
me either.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Time about sports. It's a diversion. It's a distraction.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
It's a happy kind of thing that you go off
and you use to get away from your daily lives.
But on this day, unfortunately sports and the news intersecting.
Nick Ferguson joining us by phone and Ryan Edwards in studio.
You can catch both of them over on KOA Sports. Gentlemen,
thanks for joining me here on Ryansheiling Live. Nick there
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he is, okay, Ryan right, thanks for having me. Shit
two Ryans for the price of one. R I'm going
to start with you man, just the chills. This must
have sent down the spines of those that were working
at the NFL offices. I mean, it's a tragedy that
happened anyway, But what he intended was to go to
the NFL headquarters there and recavoc.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Certainly, Yeah, and you find out after the fact he
just took the wrong elevator and it could have been
way different, and yeah, certainly a very tragic situation. I
was talking to our boss, Dave Tepper, and we were
on a call yesterday with people from the League office
as We're getting ready to start the season and like
hours removed from this situation. People, we were on the
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call with people that were in that office literally hours
before it all happened. And yeah, again it's tragic. I
mean to have loss of life or something like this,
certainly a conversation about mental illness and you find out
he played I think high school, maybe college, I don't know,
in southern California, is from Las Vegas and had a
couple of mental health holds there.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But yeah, it's just a very sad situation.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Ryan Edwards the host of KOA Sports over there with
Dave Logan and a cast of thousands, and one of
those occasionally is Nick Ferguson who joins us. Accordingly a
former Denver Bronco in his own right, defensive back. Nick,
having played the game, you know the dangers of the game,
and I'm not sure if you have any residual damage
yourself from playing in the NFL. It does raise the topic,
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but it doesn't answer the questions. This guy was obviously
not in his right mind never played in the NFL,
believe that he did, delusions of grandeur that he got
CTE from playing in the NFL, and he was going
to exact that revenge at the NFL offices. Your take
on all of this at first, and then the seriousness
of CTE on the.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Whole, Well, first of all, most I wanted to send
Mike condolence as to the family members who lost loved
ones yesterday.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
This is a very serious topic.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And it goes far beyond the game of football and CTE.
We know that injuries are part of the game, and
now we know that there are issues that one can
sustain due to concussion. They just think about it. Charlie Offerdahl,
who plays running back for To See You Buffs, he
called it quits.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
Because of the number of concussions that he's had. So
we know that this is a.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Very physical sport and these are things that we all
deal with. And it was really tough because I've been
to the league office and I know that there's a
difference between the North Tower and the South Tower as
far as knowing which one to take that goes up
to the league office, and the moment that I heard
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about the situation, I immediately text people that I know
who work in that office, and Troy Benson was one
of those individuals because I just want to make sure
that people were safe. He assowed me that everyone was
cool and they're just trying to take it one day
at a time. But this is a very difficult issue.
And for someone to self diagnose themselves with CTE, something
that can only be diagnosed post mortem, that's a serious issue.
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And also, haven't known that this person was on the
mental health hold well had mental health holds for since
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four. The question is,
how would this person even get our license to carry
a firearm?
Speaker 10 (26:14):
And then here's the.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Biggest thing, And I don't know how you guys feel
about this, but this is the first thing that came
to mind because we've seen shootings and we've heard about
shootings for the past fifteen twenty years. And for them
to say that they found medication in this guy's.
Speaker 10 (26:28):
Car, I'm wondering who diagnosed him, who gave.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Him the medication, and what would the side effects of
the medication because he traveled across several states to get
to New York City. So this is a much larger
conversation than just talking about CTE.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Great point, Nick Ferguson, right there, he was divorced from
reality and no doubt had an episode of some sort
where he was just completely detached, joining us along with
Nick Ferguson Ryan Edwards in studio. Now the details that
Eric Adams, the Mayor of New York City released in
that interview there he shot himself in the chest, wanted
to preserve the brain for it to be tested for CTE.
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We know that this has been rampant and in a
big topic of discussion, Ryan, just two guys that come
to my mind are Dave doorson the defensive back for
the Chicago Bears, the eighty five Bears, the Super Bowl Shuffle,
and Junior say Out one of the all time great linebackers.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
And there's many more examples of this.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
But just as you followed that part of this story
going forward, you know, what does the NFL do about it?
They tried different kind of technology and innovations with the
helmets and outlawing certain types of hits.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Is there more they can do well?
Speaker 8 (27:29):
And it's interesting because that was actually part of the
conversation on the call yesterday with the league that we
are privy to, is they are continuing to look at
those things, including what types of helmets they're using, and
they're starting to basically outlaw certain types of helmets that
this isn't like, Hey, whatever type of helmet you want
to use is fine by us. Are starting to tell
these players, hey, these are good for as far as
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concussions go, and these are are not. And if you're
taking a repeated hits to the head, we strongly urge
you to use these ones that we've approved, that we've vetted.
Speaker 10 (28:00):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
They're also putting on the extra padding there at the
top that you see sometimes out of the practice field,
and sometimes some of the players will where the extra
work the extra stuff there during the games as well. So,
I mean, I think that the NFL they did it wrong
probably for a lot of years, right, there was information
that they probably could have or should have given to
the players, should have been more upfront with maybe a
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little more transparent with from the beginning. I think they're
trying to do better now. But you know, to to
mix point and to some of those players before, Nick,
you know this is this is something that's going to
kind of be around the NFL for a long time.
And and Nick may have made a great point, you
really don't know you have c CTE. You have symptoms, right,
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there's symptoms of a lot of brain injury, but you
don't know that until it's post mortem and you're obviously
opened up. So so in the NFL is going to
continue to have sort of follow them for some time.
And it's just another unfortunate situation that it's in the news.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Here again Ryan Edwards Nick Ferguson both covering Broncos' training
camp which just opened here and of course you're home
for Broncos football over on KOA and they have all
the coverage there. You know, I think Nick about a
friend of mine, guy that I knew during his college years.
He became an NFL star, but it all changed on
one hit by Vontes Berfect and that's Antonio Brown of
Central Michigan University. And I knew Antonio before the hit,
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and he was an upbeat guy. He was very thankful
for his opportunities, very affable. He would give me interviews
whenever I wanted him, and I just noticed that change,
and he storms off the field when he was with
the Buccaneers against the Jets. He's exhibited some very volatile
behavior and gotten in trouble with law enforcement, et cetera.
So you see that maybe in a specific example, he
even jokes about it. I mean it's morbidly joking, but
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he calls himself CTESPN on X where you follow him there.
Have you noticed this in players contemporaries of years Nick
that it has had this dramatic dark effect on them,
this after effect of injuries and specifically hits to the head.
Speaker 10 (29:58):
Yeah, I've noticed it, and when I'm talking to certain.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Guys, it's become part of our culture because when you
talk about cte's like synonymous with football. It's not synonymous
with any other context for but football.
Speaker 10 (30:13):
But those other athletes experience those.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Two hockey, soccer, you name it, but it's only associated
with football.
Speaker 10 (30:20):
Now, I will say that I've had conversations.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
With guys and they may have forgotten something and couldn't
recall something that happened in their career their life.
Speaker 10 (30:28):
Immediately they would say, oh, you know what, that's my CTE.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Acting up, And I get really frustrated with them because
I'm like, well, that's that's not what we're going to do.
Speaker 10 (30:36):
We're not going to speak that into existence. Not not
on this particular.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Call, but I know with a lot of guys that's
in the back of their mind, they're wanting or or
not wanting there they're waiting.
Speaker 10 (30:47):
To see if they're going to have any cognitive issues.
And but we know what can happen with.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Guys from from a from a mental standpoint, same thing
would happen with race car drivers. They have, you know,
sairly try to change their technology. But for me as
a former player, and I think I can really speak
to this. Even though we know that the league denied
it years ago, they're trying to do so many things
to change it and go in the right direction.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
Applaud them for that, But there's other.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Things that they can do to help guys because it
goes back to benefits, making sure that those benefits are
rarely available to those guys and they can qualify for
those benefits to help them. Said, certain situations like this
happened because when you and the thick of it, you
feel like that, as though you're by yourself right and
there's no one else there with you, and there are
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not so many people who understands what that dark hole
actually can be like that. I was in that place
when I had an injury and I was fighting back,
but luckily I had people around me to help me
because it's a dark place you go to when you're
thinking as though you were by yourself, but to have
those benefits rarely available to you to help you prevent you.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
From possibly doing something to you yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Like you mentioned Dave Lewison and you know Junior, two
guys I looked up to as a young player coming
in a game.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
There's much more that.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
We can do about this, but this is a much
larger conversation, and I hope that this situation, as brutal
as it is, it makes the league and everyone else
starting to have this conversation, not to point the finger
to say, well who's the bad guy and who's culpable,
but how can we remedy this situation? That's where we
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need to be.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Nick Ferguson, former defensive back for the Denver Broncos, also
a personality over on KOA covering the Denver Broncos and
all things NFL, and Ryan Edwards leading the charge in
the same for KOA Sports guys, thank you so much
for your input today.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Really appreciate the time. Thank you, Ryan, and again you
got it.
Speaker 10 (32:46):
Nick.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
And the shooting in New York of course earmarked by
this topic and the shooter claiming to have played in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That was a fantasy.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
I may he have CTE possible he played in high school,
but certainly had a psychotic episode of some sort that
departed him from reality and launched him into this horrific attack.
We'll take this time out, come back, wrap up our
number one of Ryan shuling live after this. Brian Edwards
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and Nick Ferguson along for that last segment. Nick texted
me after the fact wants to reiterate this point. He says,
this is a much larger topic that I hope isn't
dismissed as just a CTE situation. The story has multiple
layers and the NFL should not be the only focal point.
Here are just a few examples. Who diagnosed him, the shooter,
who prescribed the medication found in his car? What was
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the name of the medication and the side effects? And
then how did he retain his gun permit. There's a
lot of doctor feel goods out there that'll prescribe medication
at the drop of a hat, and you just don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
They're quacks.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I mean they are, but it happens, and I'm sure
it may have been a contributing factor in this incident. Unfortunately,
Ryan Supershoe, was it select fire automatic or typical semi auto?
Because interwebs and newsfeed are all over the place with
New York story cover as well. Don't count on the
mainstream media to get the gun part of it right.
So definitely keep your powder dry literally in this case
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about what weapon was actually used, and I would wait
for the police press conference on that. And that goes
to this texter saying, right, if the suspect actually had
an M four, as report, he did not acquire it legally,
and that those details to be determined as well. It's
why I kind of hesitated to cover it in detail
because he's heard off the top with John Miller of all.
(34:30):
You know, getting details of this story wrong doesn't help anybody,
and it just advances a narrative that turns out to
be fake news. Ryan f football used to worship it
till the kneeling kneeling and there are no more Fathered players.
I think that might be a texting error. Won't ever
watch it again. And CTE is a good reason to
ban the game. It's a concerning reason. I mean I've
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always said it. I mean NFL players are modern day
gladiators and they put their bodies through absolute hell. And
to this same texter's point, wrestling, oh it's fake. Well, wrestling,
the outcomes may be predetermined, and it may be a theater,
but it is theater of the very physical, and these
guys suffer real life injuries that are sustained throughout their lives.
(35:17):
Now back to football, should it be banned, Well, that
might be a good question, headed number two with our
number two, I don't think that's realistic. They're trying to
modify the technology on helmets. But here's the problem. No
matter how thick the helmet is, where the injury occurs
in a concussion is where your brain literally smashes against
the wall of your skull, and it doesn't matter what
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helmet you have on, if you have no helmet on.
In fact, there are some that would contend if we
went back to the leather helmets that there would be
less of this because guys would be more careful about
how they hit somebody because it might hurt them delivering
the hit. This is why they ban the spearing, the
leading with the crown of the helmet. It's not necessarily
just for the wide receiver going on the middle that
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gets hit.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
It's for the one.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Delivering the hit that could have spine compression and lead
to paralysis as well as other head injuries. Morgar texts
on this five seven, seven, three nine, And when we
come back Leno versus Letterman.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
They used to dominate the late night in the nineties,
but they're now back in opposite corners.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
When it comes to Stephen Colbert, we'll get it all
of that after this on Ryan Schuling Live
He's this space visible.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I mean, do they.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Have any idea at this.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Point who he is. They do not know who he is.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
They know he is a male, possibly white, He's wearing sunglasses,
he appears to have a mustache, and that picture has
been distributed to every police officer in New York City particularly,
has been sent to the phones of the search teams
inside that building, because whenever they encounter a group of people,
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the first thing they have to figure out is is
that individual among these people hiding among victims or pretending
to be an office worker, because one thing you don't
want to have happen is to have this kind of
cordon where you're trying to evacuate people in groups as
you can get them to a safe carritor and have
this person slip out with them. So, yes, they have
the picture.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And they have.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Distributed to everybody on the scene.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
All right, all right, John, stay with me. I know
you're obviously getting information here in real tis time as
we're talking. Shimon back with us on the phone on
the scene, showing you here to John's reporting that they
do know the fit, what he looks like, male, possibly white, mustache,
sunglasses in that building, isolated to they believe to various locations,
including upper floors. Is where they're focused. What are you learning, Shimon?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Now that's CNN in their coverage of the horrific shooting
in Manhattan by a gunman who has been reported since
had a psychiatric hold in twenty twenty two, in twenty
twenty four. But what jumped out at you from that
clip that you just heard critiquing mass media?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Class has begun?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
And I don't blame Aaron Burnett so much, although you
know I take issue with her a lot on CNN,
and she's just one of many. But man, am I
disappointed in John Miller, that reporter you heard, He goes
all the way back to ABC News.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
This is the guy. You might recognize his voice.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
He was the only American journalist to ever score a
sit down interview with Osama bin Laden in the caves
of Kandahar or whatever they took him. This guy, he's
a hero in journalism. When you go back to this,
he trusted these al Qaeda operators with his life and
(02:15):
putting on a mask, transporting he didn't know where he
was going to this secluded cave location, and he did
this sit down with Osama bin Ladi meet. They could
have killed him on the spot, and he's the only
one that ever did that. And he got a lot
of information out of him. Although he made he told
the story that in real time. You know, he had
a translator, but he didn't know what Osama bin Laden
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was answering back in Arabic, so he just kept asking
the questions and then they had to go translated after
the fact. So when he was done with the interview,
he had no idea what he had or if he
had anything. John Miller also, during his time with ABC News,
was very instrumental in covering the mafia organized crime in
New York City. So this is a guy that comes
(02:57):
to the table with a lot of gravitas, a lot
of credibility, and a lot of journalistic capital. But why
he would report They know he's a male possibly white folks.
Remember on Chappelle's show when he used to dress up
as a white television news anchor. And there was the
episode of Saturday Night Live back in the day when
(03:19):
Eddie Murphy portrayed a white businessman. That would have been
more convincing presentation as a white person than the still
photo shot we saw. Now, anybody looking at that photo
that has an ounce of common sense or awareness or
has seen or I don't know people before in public, black, white,
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everything in between pretty much recognized on the spot at
that very moment that was not a quote unquote white man.
So why did they jump to that obviously erroneous conclusion
and report that is fact. Why was it he was
possibly white when he was definitely black?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Not that it should matter, but.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
My point in all of this, when the media has
a fifty to fifty coin flip call to make, why
does it always come up heads? What I mean by that,
every time a journalistic call could go one way or
the other, which way does it go?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It goes the other way.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
They are withholding information in my home state of Michigan
still about the suspect involved in the stabbing in Traverse City,
and we can all kind of guess as to why
because the narrative is not convenient because it might fuel speculation,
But they only create more of it by staying quiet
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on the details that they don't want the public to know.
But if it's a radicalized right wing white supremacist, white
Trump voter, maga hat wearing whatever, oh, that comes right out.
Even speculation like you just heard, comes right out in
the media wonders why we don't trust them anymore, the
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news media, John Miller, of all people in this case.
So this propelled them down this path. A lot of
criticism online because of it, but it goes Kelly.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Did you watch any of this coverage of the shooting. Yeah,
the shootings from yesterday I saw.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I actually went back and forth because I was curious
as to what CNN was saying, and I actually saw
that exchange with Burnett.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Did they show the photos in real time?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So we're looking at the photo in the audience and
we're being told this is possibly a white man.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Correct what it was? Your reaction in that moment.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
I couldn't believe it. I just I actually started laughing,
and then I and I had turned it back on Fox.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah, but you would agree with me that every time
there's something that's unknown, the speculation, if there is any
in the reporting, all leans in one direction.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Absolutely, and it's almost like they're willing it to be true.
John Miller had that interview with Osama bin Lauding many
many years ago. So it's soured him over working at
ABC News because one narrative that they're all trying to
paint and they're hoping that it's true and they're just
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forcing it. So I was just as shocked as you were.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well, here's the thing to me again, I'm coming into this.
I'm trying to have an objective, journalistic curiosity perspective about this.
And you report what you know, and you don't report
what you don't know. You don't go into the speculation
sphere and start spewing out Oh and you know, to
be fair, I heard a lot of this and it's
(06:45):
very difficult. Jesse Waters was trying to cover this in
real time last night and he's asking, well, what was
he thinking? We don't know what he's thinking. The guy's nuts, obviously,
but I'll tell you this, It had zero percent to
do with race at all.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It had to do with he was in some way demented.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
And Mayor Eric Adams spoke about this New York City
Mayor he had deluded himself into believing he was an
NFL player, and then he got CTE from playing in
the NFL, although he had never played beyond high school.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Kelly, is that right? That is correct?
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I found a note in his pocket or something, right,
it did, and so but if you remember, the initial
kind of reactions were they had a witness that said
he screamed free Palestine. So there was that narrative going
on for a while that maybe this was somehow related.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Was that corroborating?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
No, okay, it was a person who spoke to I
believe it was Fox News, a reporter that had just
been on the scene. But although you know it happening
in real time, you really can't corroborate a lot of stuff.
So you just got to wait. And then, of course,
this morning, when I found out about the NFL hook
(07:59):
and that he was actually wanting to go to the
NFL offices that are located in that building.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
He was off by one floor. Though I think we
are correct.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Wow, my goodness, the NFL headquarters in that very building,
and as it was, tragedy occurred to a New York
City police officer aged thirty six was killed. A young
female executive on that floor had nothing to.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Do with anything.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
But not that any of this would have made sense
regardless for this madman, maniac shooter, but just the reporting
of it. You have a responsibility, and that's going out
the window. I know that long ago. I'm not Pollyanna
over here. But it's narrative driving rather than straight reporting.
Do you want to get it right or do you
want to get it right away? And even if you
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wanted to get it right away, why are all of
your errors always heading in one direction? That shows the
literal definition of bias. Look it up that you wouldn't
make a mistake in the other direct. Oh, we've got
to back that one off the other way. No, it
always is a conclusion that drives the narrative. The media
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prefers this from Stephen Litlton, retired law enforcement officer.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Steve, thanks for your service. As always, the.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Media hacks will do anything and everything to deflect from
the predominant black on black crime in America. Steve, In general,
this is correct that the number one killer of young
black men are other young black men in the inner
cities and urban Chicago, in Detroit and elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
That is a fact.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
That is a mathematical statistical fact. But in this case,
it was arbitrary. It was haphazard. This guy came in,
like I said, he had completely lost his mind. He
wants his brain to be studied for CTE, and maybe
he had it. Maybe that happened to him, maybe he
suffered some concussions while playing high school football.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
He ended up taking his own life.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
And my whole thing is just, you know, cut the
killing the other people part out. I don't want anybody
to kill themselves, let me get that straight. But down
to the choice of this guy's losing it and he's
going to take out other innocent people and then himself,
or he just takes himself out, then yeah, I'm going
to opt for the latter one.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Why he had to go out and kill other people?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Again, none of this makes sense, But Steve just to
counter pushed back a little bit. In my view from
what I've watched, any and all of this, none of
it had to do with race, none of it. But
the media is always reluctant to report. For instance, to
Kelly's point, if this had been a radical Muslim extremist
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shouting from the river to the sea Palestine will be free,
or other type of epithets like that that would be
anti Semitic, anti Zionist, anti Israel, anti Jewish, then they're.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
A lot slower on their role to report that.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Not just from the media standpoint, but we see it
in law enforcement too. How many times have we seen
right here in Denver. Throughout Colorado, if a crime is
committed and the race is either not known or they
don't want it to be known, it'll be marked unknown
or white, and they're very reluctant. I don't know for
crime statistics what they're doing there to try to game
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the system.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
They leave that part out conveniently so or inconveniently so.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
And even the reporting statistics of the crimes themselves in
these urban centers Denver, San Francisco, Los Angeles. You know,
you see Gavin Newsom come out on X and he
calls out Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee is twice the murder rate
of California or Alabama does well. That's because those states
are apparently honestly reporting their numbers, whereas there's a whole
lot of gray area and nothingness an avoid in California.
(11:39):
Some of these blu run states for the reasons that
I just stated. Five seven, seven, three nine is where
you can reach out. This goes to our good friend
Scott Jennings, who is a front of the program. We
love having him on. He now has his own kind
of one hour radio thing going on a competing station.
But he's analyzing with Patrick Bett David on his podcast,
exactly what are the Democrats doing, why are they doing it,
(12:02):
and where are they going with it? They're going nowhere fast.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Democrats, because of the Biden presidency, because they lied about
Joe Biden's condition, because they lied to the country about
the inflationary impacts of his policies, have dug themselves the
deepest hole they've ever been in in the history of
their party. That's number one. Number two cultural radicalism. I mean,
when the hills you're willing to die on are boys
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and girls sports paying for transgender surgeries of inmates, which
Kamala Harris had in the last election. When you're willing
to die on these hills, when you're willing to go
and say maryland Man unfairly deported back to his home country,
I mean, when you're willing to die on all these
eighty twenty hills, eventually your approval reading will wind up.
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I'm no mathematician, but around twenty y they're getting there.
And so this hole they've dug themselves in, Like, if
I can't trust you not to put a boy in
my daughter's locker room, why would I talk to you
about taxation? Policy or inflation or tariffs or anything else.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You're trying to put a boy at my girls locker room,
right why?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
And they're too simplistic too, the Democrats and breaking down
their arguments when everything Trump does is bad, therefore the
opposite must be good. And we're on these eighty twenty
issues that the Democrats are on the twenty percent side of,
and they continue to double triple down on that position.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
This pushes people the other way.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Scott Jennings asked, you know, you weren't always a big
Trump fan, and he was kind of like me, like
I was a Ruvio guy in twenty sixteen. I thought
Trump was in it for the kind of media pop,
for his show, to promote The Apprentice.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I didn't think.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Donald Trump was going to stay in the race the
entire time for twenty sixteen. I didn't because he had
threatened to run so many times before, like interviews with
Bill O'Reilly or Howard Stern. You know, maybe I'd maybe
I'd run, but I would only run if I could win,
and I would win. And he's you know, he's saddled Trump.
He's a Blowhard's that's what we love about him. That's
part of his whole caricatures personality. But he got serious
(13:59):
and picked up on that. And now he says the
Democrat they don't know how to counter him. They don't
know how to fight Trump with any kind of anti
Trump message.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Plus his opposition, the reflexive nature of his opposition to
hate and try to delegitimize him on everything he does,
I think is terrible for America. I mean they're rooting.
I mean, you wear that pin. They're rooting against America
on the tariffs all April. They were hoping it would fail.
Imagine that they're holding him on Iran when we bombed
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the missile sites.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
What's the first thing that happened.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
We got to impeach him?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Oh, he didn't do that much damage. The immediate delegitimization
of this guy. Every time he does something, they root
for America's failure.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So does he does? He everything he does do? I
no no.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Politician, I'm one hundred percent all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But I'll tell you this.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
I like it that he roots for America and I
hate it that they root against America just.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Because he did it. And I think that's why a
lot of people are fine with it. They are and
as Harry Enton.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
In recent polling, Trump is pulling away on foreign policy
and also when it comes to the economy, and that's
driving certain folks nuts, like Jim Kramer of MSNBC, a
nominee for our Friday Fool of the Week, both at
the one cut.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
What the us?
Speaker 9 (15:19):
Oh my god, I'm so sorry, everybody.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Okay, it's cable with a cable with a ticker.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Take it back, people doing live TV.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Jim to your point, you can't take it back, Jim Cramer.
And then there was an exchange that vp uh jd
Vance had with the media about the Epstein files. But again,
isn't it curious that all of a sudden, now Democrats,
the left, the mainstream media, they're all up in arms
and concerned.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
About the Epstein files. Scott Jennings calls that out for
what it is.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
The solution is is for people to realize Democrats only
care about this for one reason. They have completely and
utterly failed to stop Trump for the last six months.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
This is just the latest thing.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
And by the way, next month it'll be something else,
and next month it'll be something else. They are lurching
from one made up thing to the next to try
to implant in the public firmament the idea that Trump
had something to do with Epstein's wrongdoing.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's the same thing they did with Russia.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
We just want people to believe he stole Russia sole
the election for him.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
Now they half the.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Country believes it. They want half the country to believe
that he had something to do with Epstein. Whether it's
true or not, it's not true, but whether it is
or not, they just need that to become part of
a narrative, no facts, no truth, narrative. This is why
they're cratering, because people are onto the narrative driven politics.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
This is why people didn't turn away from Rachel Maddow
because of that dopamine hit. For the Trump haters, they
needed it to be true. They wanted to wish it
and will it into existence, the Russia collusion hoax. Rachel
Maddow every single night on her program, lied to her viewers,
insulted their intelligence. But the clapping seals that were watching
didn't care because they hated Trump more than they cared
(17:07):
about the truth. Didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Fit the truth into taking down Trump.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
The Orange Man Chuck Schumer, we'll see his latest effort
I'm sure it's top notch.
Speaker 9 (17:17):
What's happening here in Washington with all this cost increase
happening with all this chaos. In addition, unfortunately its unprecedented corruption.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
What.
Speaker 9 (17:30):
Never in our lifetimes have we seen a president use
the levers of power so transparently to personally enrich himself
on his inner circle.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That never happened in America. Joe Biden Hunter Biden.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
President's Democrats, Republicans, Independence, Conservatives, Liberals. They respected the fact
that their office, being in high office, was a guardianship,
not to grab and reach what and make punt money
and enrich themselves.
Speaker 10 (17:58):
What.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
But that's what Trump is doing regularly.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Look at the Obama's net worth before and after leaving office.
Look at the Clinton's net worth before and leaving office.
Look at Mitch McConnell, look at Nancy Pelosi, look at
Joe Biden, and then observe Donald Trump. This is the
one guy who has lost money by being president of
the United States. He donates his salary every month to
(18:21):
another charity or special cause.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He doesn't collect a dime. But that's the guy that's
guilty of corruption. Give me a.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Break, Chuck Schumer GT to the fo over there. Trump
is winning and it's driving the left nuts. We'll take
this time out more on the shooting in Manhattan yesterday.
Special guests coming up at as a sports Angle, so
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Speaker 11 (20:27):
People who were shot, one being the suspect. As you indicated,
he turned the gun on himself and shot himself.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
In the chess.
Speaker 11 (20:36):
He appeared to have some history of mental health mental
health history from what we're getting from our partners in
the Nevada Las Vegas area, but it's just a real
unfortunate situation. The suspect walked into the building three forty
(20:58):
five paulk Avenue, car in his right hand and automatic
weapon immediately discharged round shot a police officer. Islam of
a three year veteran with two children and his wife
is expected a child on the way. And again our
hospitals out to the entire city in generals, but specifically
(21:21):
domnon women in the NYPD in office Islam's family, Yes,
we agree with you and send our condolences as well.
Tell us about the apparent suicide note that was in
the shooter's pocket. He alluded to having CTE from playing
in the NFL. He never played in the NFL, and
(21:44):
he alluded to the CTE being the reason for his illness.
It appears as though he was going after the employees
at the NFL, the Building forty five house the NFL's
cool Quoll company there as well. But we're still going
(22:07):
through this this suicide note to zero in on the
exact reason. But at this time it appears as though
something that is attached to his belief he experienced the
team from planning in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
New York City Mayor Eric Adams, and it's helpful that he,
a former police officer, knows how to go through this
kind of evidence, analyze it and try to sift through
what is from what isn't and just the details of this.
You know, usually the gentlemen who are about to join
me either.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Time about sports. It's a diversion. It's a distraction.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
It's a happy kind of thing that you go off
and you use to get away from your daily lives.
But on this day, unfortunately sports and the news intersecting.
Nick Ferguson joining us by phone and Ryan Edwards in studio.
You can catch both of them over on KOA Sports. Gentlemen,
thanks for joining me here on Ryansheiling Live. Nick there
(22:57):
he is, okay, Ryan right, thanks for having me. Shit
two Ryans for the price of one. R I'm going
to start with you man, just the chills. This must
have sent down the spines of those that were working
at the NFL offices. I mean, it's a tragedy that
happened anyway, But what he intended was to go to
the NFL headquarters there and recavoc.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Certainly, Yeah, and you find out after the fact he
just took the wrong elevator and it could have been
way different, and yeah, certainly a very tragic situation. I
was talking to our boss, Dave Tepper, and we were
on a call yesterday with people from the League office
as We're getting ready to start the season and like
hours removed from this situation. People, we were on the
(23:35):
call with people that were in that office literally hours
before it all happened. And yeah, again it's tragic. I
mean to have loss of life or something like this,
certainly a conversation about mental illness and you find out
he played I think high school, maybe college, I don't know,
in southern California, is from Las Vegas and had a
couple of mental health holds there.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But yeah, it's just a very sad situation.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Ryan Edwards the host of KOA Sports over there with
Dave Logan and a cast of thousands, and one of
those occasionally is Nick Ferguson who joins us. Accordingly a
former Denver Bronco in his own right, defensive back. Nick,
having played the game, you know the dangers of the game,
and I'm not sure if you have any residual damage
yourself from playing in the NFL. It does raise the topic,
(24:19):
but it doesn't answer the questions. This guy was obviously
not in his right mind never played in the NFL,
believe that he did, delusions of grandeur that he got
CTE from playing in the NFL, and he was going
to exact that revenge at the NFL offices. Your take
on all of this at first, and then the seriousness
of CTE on the.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Whole, Well, first of all, most I wanted to send
Mike condolence as to the family members who lost loved
ones yesterday.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
This is a very serious topic.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And it goes far beyond the game of football and CTE.
We know that injuries are part of the game, and
now we know that there are issues that one can
sustain due to concussion. They just think about it. Charlie Offerdahl,
who plays running back for To See You Buffs, he
called it quits.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
Because of the number of concussions that he's had. So
we know that this is a.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Very physical sport and these are things that we all
deal with. And it was really tough because I've been
to the league office and I know that there's a
difference between the North Tower and the South Tower as
far as knowing which one to take that goes up
to the league office, and the moment that I heard
(25:34):
about the situation, I immediately text people that I know
who work in that office, and Troy Benson was one
of those individuals because I just want to make sure
that people were safe. He assowed me that everyone was
cool and they're just trying to take it one day
at a time. But this is a very difficult issue.
And for someone to self diagnose themselves with CTE, something
that can only be diagnosed post mortem, that's a serious issue.
(25:59):
And also, haven't known that this person was on the
mental health hold well had mental health holds for since
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four. The question is,
how would this person even get our license to carry
a firearm?
Speaker 10 (26:14):
And then here's the.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Biggest thing, And I don't know how you guys feel
about this, but this is the first thing that came
to mind because we've seen shootings and we've heard about
shootings for the past fifteen twenty years. And for them
to say that they found medication in this guy's.
Speaker 10 (26:28):
Car, I'm wondering who diagnosed him, who gave.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Him the medication, and what would the side effects of
the medication because he traveled across several states to get
to New York City. So this is a much larger
conversation than just talking about CTE.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Great point, Nick Ferguson, right there, he was divorced from
reality and no doubt had an episode of some sort
where he was just completely detached, joining us along with
Nick Ferguson Ryan Edwards in studio. Now the details that
Eric Adams, the Mayor of New York City released in
that interview there he shot himself in the chest, wanted
to preserve the brain for it to be tested for CTE.
(27:02):
We know that this has been rampant and in a
big topic of discussion, Ryan, just two guys that come
to my mind are Dave doorson the defensive back for
the Chicago Bears, the eighty five Bears, the Super Bowl Shuffle,
and Junior say Out one of the all time great linebackers.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
And there's many more examples of this.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
But just as you followed that part of this story
going forward, you know, what does the NFL do about it?
They tried different kind of technology and innovations with the
helmets and outlawing certain types of hits.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Is there more they can do well?
Speaker 8 (27:29):
And it's interesting because that was actually part of the
conversation on the call yesterday with the league that we
are privy to, is they are continuing to look at
those things, including what types of helmets they're using, and
they're starting to basically outlaw certain types of helmets that
this isn't like, Hey, whatever type of helmet you want
to use is fine by us. Are starting to tell
these players, hey, these are good for as far as
(27:51):
concussions go, and these are are not. And if you're
taking a repeated hits to the head, we strongly urge
you to use these ones that we've approved, that we've vetted.
Speaker 10 (28:00):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
They're also putting on the extra padding there at the
top that you see sometimes out of the practice field,
and sometimes some of the players will where the extra
work the extra stuff there during the games as well. So,
I mean, I think that the NFL they did it wrong
probably for a lot of years, right, there was information
that they probably could have or should have given to
the players, should have been more upfront with maybe a
(28:23):
little more transparent with from the beginning. I think they're
trying to do better now. But you know, to to
mix point and to some of those players before, Nick,
you know this is this is something that's going to
kind of be around the NFL for a long time.
And and Nick may have made a great point, you
really don't know you have c CTE. You have symptoms, right,
(28:44):
there's symptoms of a lot of brain injury, but you
don't know that until it's post mortem and you're obviously
opened up. So so in the NFL is going to
continue to have sort of follow them for some time.
And it's just another unfortunate situation that it's in the news.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Here again Ryan Edwards Nick Ferguson both covering Broncos' training
camp which just opened here and of course you're home
for Broncos football over on KOA and they have all
the coverage there. You know, I think Nick about a
friend of mine, guy that I knew during his college years.
He became an NFL star, but it all changed on
one hit by Vontes Berfect and that's Antonio Brown of
Central Michigan University. And I knew Antonio before the hit,
(29:21):
and he was an upbeat guy. He was very thankful
for his opportunities, very affable. He would give me interviews
whenever I wanted him, and I just noticed that change,
and he storms off the field when he was with
the Buccaneers against the Jets. He's exhibited some very volatile
behavior and gotten in trouble with law enforcement, et cetera.
So you see that maybe in a specific example, he
even jokes about it. I mean it's morbidly joking, but
(29:42):
he calls himself CTESPN on X where you follow him there.
Have you noticed this in players contemporaries of years Nick
that it has had this dramatic dark effect on them,
this after effect of injuries and specifically hits to the head.
Speaker 10 (29:58):
Yeah, I've noticed it, and when I'm talking to certain.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Guys, it's become part of our culture because when you
talk about cte's like synonymous with football. It's not synonymous
with any other context for but football.
Speaker 10 (30:13):
But those other athletes experience those.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Two hockey, soccer, you name it, but it's only associated
with football.
Speaker 10 (30:20):
Now, I will say that I've had conversations.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
With guys and they may have forgotten something and couldn't
recall something that happened in their career their life.
Speaker 10 (30:28):
Immediately they would say, oh, you know what, that's my CTE.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Acting up, And I get really frustrated with them because
I'm like, well, that's that's not what we're going to do.
Speaker 10 (30:36):
We're not going to speak that into existence. Not not
on this particular.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Call, but I know with a lot of guys that's
in the back of their mind, they're wanting or or
not wanting there they're waiting.
Speaker 10 (30:47):
To see if they're going to have any cognitive issues.
And but we know what can happen with.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Guys from from a from a mental standpoint, same thing
would happen with race car drivers. They have, you know,
sairly try to change their technology. But for me as
a former player, and I think I can really speak
to this. Even though we know that the league denied
it years ago, they're trying to do so many things
to change it and go in the right direction.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
Applaud them for that, But there's other.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Things that they can do to help guys because it
goes back to benefits, making sure that those benefits are
rarely available to those guys and they can qualify for
those benefits to help them. Said, certain situations like this
happened because when you and the thick of it, you
feel like that, as though you're by yourself right and
there's no one else there with you, and there are
(31:37):
not so many people who understands what that dark hole
actually can be like that. I was in that place
when I had an injury and I was fighting back,
but luckily I had people around me to help me
because it's a dark place you go to when you're
thinking as though you were by yourself, but to have
those benefits rarely available to you to help you prevent you.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
From possibly doing something to you yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Like you mentioned Dave Lewison and you know Junior, two
guys I looked up to as a young player coming
in a game.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
There's much more that.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
We can do about this, but this is a much
larger conversation, and I hope that this situation, as brutal
as it is, it makes the league and everyone else
starting to have this conversation, not to point the finger
to say, well who's the bad guy and who's culpable,
but how can we remedy this situation? That's where we
(32:29):
need to be.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Nick Ferguson, former defensive back for the Denver Broncos, also
a personality over on KOA covering the Denver Broncos and
all things NFL, and Ryan Edwards leading the charge in
the same for KOA Sports guys, thank you so much
for your input today.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Really appreciate the time. Thank you, Ryan, and again you
got it.
Speaker 10 (32:46):
Nick.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
And the shooting in New York of course earmarked by
this topic and the shooter claiming to have played in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That was a fantasy.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
I may he have CTE possible he played in high school,
but certainly had a psychotic episode of some sort that
departed him from reality and launched him into this horrific attack.
We'll take this time out, come back, wrap up our
number one of Ryan shuling live after this. Brian Edwards
(33:14):
and Nick Ferguson along for that last segment. Nick texted
me after the fact wants to reiterate this point. He says,
this is a much larger topic that I hope isn't
dismissed as just a CTE situation. The story has multiple
layers and the NFL should not be the only focal point.
Here are just a few examples. Who diagnosed him, the shooter,
who prescribed the medication found in his car? What was
(33:36):
the name of the medication and the side effects? And
then how did he retain his gun permit. There's a
lot of doctor feel goods out there that'll prescribe medication
at the drop of a hat, and you just don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
They're quacks.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I mean they are, but it happens, and I'm sure
it may have been a contributing factor in this incident. Unfortunately,
Ryan Supershoe, was it select fire automatic or typical semi auto?
Because interwebs and newsfeed are all over the place with
New York story cover as well. Don't count on the
mainstream media to get the gun part of it right.
So definitely keep your powder dry literally in this case
(34:09):
about what weapon was actually used, and I would wait
for the police press conference on that. And that goes
to this texter saying, right, if the suspect actually had
an M four, as report, he did not acquire it legally,
and that those details to be determined as well. It's
why I kind of hesitated to cover it in detail
because he's heard off the top with John Miller of all.
(34:30):
You know, getting details of this story wrong doesn't help anybody,
and it just advances a narrative that turns out to
be fake news. Ryan f football used to worship it
till the kneeling kneeling and there are no more Fathered players.
I think that might be a texting error. Won't ever
watch it again. And CTE is a good reason to
ban the game. It's a concerning reason. I mean I've
(34:52):
always said it. I mean NFL players are modern day
gladiators and they put their bodies through absolute hell. And
to this same texter's point, wrestling, oh it's fake. Well, wrestling,
the outcomes may be predetermined, and it may be a theater,
but it is theater of the very physical, and these
guys suffer real life injuries that are sustained throughout their lives.
(35:17):
Now back to football, should it be banned, Well, that
might be a good question, headed number two with our
number two, I don't think that's realistic. They're trying to
modify the technology on helmets. But here's the problem. No
matter how thick the helmet is, where the injury occurs
in a concussion is where your brain literally smashes against
the wall of your skull, and it doesn't matter what
(35:38):
helmet you have on, if you have no helmet on.
In fact, there are some that would contend if we
went back to the leather helmets that there would be
less of this because guys would be more careful about
how they hit somebody because it might hurt them delivering
the hit. This is why they ban the spearing, the
leading with the crown of the helmet. It's not necessarily
just for the wide receiver going on the middle that
(36:00):
gets hit.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
It's for the one.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Delivering the hit that could have spine compression and lead
to paralysis as well as other head injuries. Morgar texts
on this five seven, seven, three nine, And when we
come back Leno versus Letterman.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
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but they're now back in opposite corners.
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