Ryan finally has an invite to Casa Bonita; NPR are being exposed to the public with their new CEO

Ryan finally has an invite to Casa Bonita after waiting for close to a year.

NPR are being exposed to the public with their new CEO. Ryan goes through what it means.

Episode Transcript

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You're only going to get the Jazzyexperience for seventy five percent of today's show.
Normally it's like one hundred and tenpercent. He goes above and beyond,
he's before, he's after, he'sduring. We're gonna lose him.
Who are the rock? He's evenplaying today? It's a getaway day game,
right, Philly's still yup, finalgame of the series, and they're
trying to avoid being swept, rightthey are. And they're also trying to
avoid the rain tonight. Oh alot of rain of forecast. What happens

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like there's a rain delay, you'reon the board to run it. You're
just there till it ends, right, yep, just got to keep filling
time. What time did you startworking today? Just now? All right?
I'm not going to feel too badfor you then if there is a
rain delay. But I do appreciateeverything that Jazzy does and everything that Kelly
does behind the scenes. She helpedwind up our guest Heidi Ganall, a

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former Republican nominee for governor who isnow running a centralized website that contains all
sources for conservative media, including thisprogram. Talk to you a little bit
more about that in my leading topic, which will be relevant to our conversation
with her about n p R injust a moment. However, I do

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have breaking news and it does involveKelly. I got an email today.
Been waiting for this email for abouta year calendar year. Some of you
might even already know where I'm goingwith this. Many of you may have
already received the email yourself, andsome of you might still be waiting and
very chafed by that experience, likeI was, Kelly, tell the people

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where we're going. We are finallygoing to Calsabnita casaa baby. Oh yeah,
only took a year and a halfdivers off a cliffs. Now,
what's that gorilla? There's gorillas?Yeah, there's a gorilla that comes out.
I'm kind of excited about that.And there's an added bonus there exactly.
So it's b face dial eating.I've checked into the price. Wow,

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forty dollars apiece. It's like GoldenCorral on steroids. Uh. How
did Shannon feel about it? Didyou ever get a report back from me?
He actually liked it. He hada great time. I'm sure he
did. Twice. He's gotten theraffle twice. Or the lottery jerk.
And he's invited us how many times? Zero? So over two zero?
How could he live with himself?I don't know? All right, Well

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I tried to. You know,my buddy Hutch is coming to town for
se Santa That's not Santa Claus.That's a Red Rocks experience with Pussifer,
A perfect circle and my favorite ofthe three primus less Claypool's coming to slap
some bass. Why NOA had abig brown beaver, Tommy the cat.
You guys know what I'm talking about? Well you gen xers might? I

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played Winona for Kelly. She wasnot having it. She was not a
fan, just doesn't dig the progRock gave her some heat on Facebook because
of that, so did Hutch.My favorite is when Hutch and I agree
and we just criticized and lamb basedyou and cut you to shreds and you
come back. I don't like you, guys. Well know what did I
say? I don't think we canrepeat it on the radio, honest,
I think we can. Well doyou bite me? Yeah, that's what

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I told you. I did nottell you to kiss. I'm sorry,
Rat, I'm sorry. Rat isn'tcoming to Red Rocks anytime soon. I
am really apologetic about that. I'mvery sad about it. When they do,
we'll go okay, okay, allright, Well, Hutch he's bringing
the whole band. He's bringing hisbuddy Mark, who's a good friend of
mine. He's bringing Angie he wentto high school with. She's looking forward

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to it as well. And Itried to line it up that we would
go to Casa Beanita during his visitover that weekend, but they are book
solid. I just got the emailtoday, So where are we were Wednesday,
April seventeenth today? And I'm lookingahead two weeks right, And this
says low availability. Well they shouldchange that, because when I looked into

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it, I was trying to getI could get seating for up to eight
with this email, I'm very excitedabout. So I put an eight nothing
available. Okay, well let's godown at six. No, okay,
try four? No nothing not lunch, not dinner. Again these dates say
low availability, Well it means there'sgotta be some, right, And I
put one like if I just wentby myself like a total loser, we

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didn't have availability even for that.So why do they have low availability on
the website. Come on try andMatt, you're you're better than that.
Plus, this place, Casabanita,was supposed to be open to the public
when let me give you the datebecause I remember it. We reported right
here in the newsroom May twenty twentythree, Kelly, that's almost a year

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ago. Open to the public.You make a reservation, you go in
like a normal restaurant. They're stillin the beta phase. Do you remember
how how excited we were when wesigned up to get the email. I
thought it was going to get inlike a couple of weeks. Ye took
a year over a year, unbelieving, and I still like my idea about

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you know you could since you couldnot get cliffside down. Beggars can't be
choosers here, hold on. Mywhole thing was Ryan on the Road.
We could do the whole show fromcasab I think we could would try and
Matt sign off on that. Theydon't need the publicity. Obviously, their
books solid weeks at a time inadvance, but it just gets you out
of the studio. I'd like thatto the arms and the willingness of your

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the arms of the arms of anangel like Sarah McLaughlin. No, okay,
the arms of your adoring public,Sarah McLaughlin, or give some hugs
Sarah McLaughlin or Primus. You gottapick one. You're going with, Sarah,
I know you are them rock.No, you don't like either equally

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horrible there equally. I mean Primusis great, but that's just my choice.
I mean I did go through aSarah McLaughlin phase where you got like,
my heart broken totally. Oh mygod, you were such a stereotype.
You were nineties, you were emo, you were wearing black eyeshadow.
But then after I found the Googledolls, they redeemed you. They did.
Who had more to do with yourredemption at that point, Goo Goo

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dolls or Bill Murray on the airplane? Oh Bill Murray? Yeah, see
again. But that was before youknow so, I mean, that's a
classic story and he kind of steeredmy life in the right direction. A
brief version of that story, andI'm better at telling the brief version than
Kelly is. Bill Murray happened tobe on the same plane as Kelly.

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She was flying. She had justgotten rejected for a job I believe was
it at ESPN. If I hadthat correctly. It was yeh see,
I'm remembering the details. I listenedto you, and to Bill Murray's credit,
he's a weird guy and I've hearda lot of stories good and bad
about him, his timeliness, lackthereof punctuality, none, reliability low.
But on this flight, he wastuned into Kelly's channel, and Kelly's only

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people were coming up to him askingfor autographs. The crew was wanting to,
you know, serve him whatever hewanted, but his focus and attention
was on Kelly and cheering her up. And he did that, and he
turned your life around. Bill Murraydid, and he was really adamant.
I mean I was leaving him alone, and he was the one that kept
on talking to me and well,what are you going to do now?

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What's your next plan? And itwas just like, why are you are
you talking? Why were you soblessed as to get life advice from Bill
Murray? You know all of uswant that. And you know the first
thing he said to me, youwill remember this, He said, Hi,
I'm Bill, what's your name?I could just see him doing that
too, like that that whole youknow, he knows you know who he

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is. But he's playing the partand it's funny. But what was the
lasting line that stuck with you throughoutthe years what he said to you.
I think it was toward the endof your conversation exactly. Well, we
were getting off the plane and hesaid, listen, yeah, everybody always
wants to go for an eagle.Sometimes you get a par and that's what
you have to concentrate on getting apar, especially the Masters. And you

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like the eagles, you like thebirdies, but just concentrate on par Sometimes
just lay up, play for partwo, putt itt it's okay, and
take a par it's not a bogie, doesn't add to your score. Bill
Murray was right there. So we'regoing to Casa Benita. It's going to
be what is it, Friday,the third of May. It's a late
reservation because I got to stick aroundhere, like Jeff does, come you

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him and me? Excuse me?Who else has to stick around here?
We smallest violin playing just for you. You're not going to stick her.
Well, you're only going to stickaround because you're Coda Costant Benita with me.
That's the only reason. Actually,come on, no, well I
don't know. So here the thingthere. It is the Jeff Bell,
you and Adam Me and a mysteryfourth guest tbd g B. Stay tuned

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for that. I will accept applicationsand nominations. Oh, I opened that
door. That's right. You know, write an essay like Uri ber Leonard
didsturing the Dan Capli show, andI will be there to give out romantic
advice. I don't know about youdate Ryan. It wasn't necessarily that,

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Okay, it's I'm open to nominationsfor that fourth spot. It's going to
be Friday, May third, eightfifteen. That's what it's going to.
It's a late dinner. I know, tough. I work what amounts to
an afternoon chef. You're going tohave to deal again. Beggars can't be
choosers five seven, seven, threenine. You can send those texts along
to Ryan Rya And we actually gotone in from the overnight, and I

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want to make sure we get tothat first because when I get back to
it, this one, says Ryanon the reasons for impeachment of Mayorcis.
The Constitution was written for we thepeople. It is the law of the
land. As a citizen, Iconsider violating your oath of office and the
Constitution nearly as serious as treason.Just ignoring the law should be a high
crime unless the law is unconstitutional.Now we're still kind of waiting in real

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time, and it says on CNN, let's go to the adversarial network there,
Senate voting to kill second Mayorcis impeachmentarticle. Now going on. Okay,
well, here's the deal. ChuckSchumer doesn't want to bring this to
trial or anything else. He wantsto snuff it out, wants to kill
it in the cribs, so tospeak. And what he's doing by that

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is he's going to have to forcesomebody like John Tester or a shared Brown
in these purple states that are actuallyred that somehow have a democratic senator.
They're going to force those senators goon the record to kill the Mayorcis hearing.
That's not gonna play well, notonly in Peoria, as I like
to say, that's not gonna playin Ohio. We know that Ohio's deep

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ruby red. Now that's not gonnaplay in Montana for John Tester. Same
thing. So what Schumer's doing ishe's hamstringing these purple state blue barely blue
Democrat senator seats, and he's goingto ensure they lose because in recent polling.
Now, I know Larry Hogan's notour favorite, but you gotta take

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w's where you can get them.Right. We get Susan Collins in Maine,
I'm okay with that. Lisa Murkowskiin Alaska is another story. Mitt
Romney in Utah another story. Weshould have way more reliably conservative senators in
those two states. But in Maryland, Maryland, that's one of the bluest
states in the Union, and LarryHogan has a big lead over either Democratic

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combatant in that race. And I'mgoing to tell you, Larry Hogan and
Maryland is a hell of a lotbetter than we thought we could do.
And I would take that. LarryHogan wins Maryland and the Republicans are almost
guaranteed a majority in the Senate.That's big. And again I'm not the
biggest Larry Hogan fan, but considerthe landscape there. We'd be very lucky

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and fortunate to have Larry Hogan asthe Senator for Maryland, so rooting for
him there. But this just goesagain, this is a political misplay I
think by Schumer. Schumer lives ina new York state of mind that every
Democrat seat is safe like his own. He could run against you know,
anybody and win. But not everystate is like that. And I've got

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to believe that Tester and Brown andthese other Democrat senators and Republican states are
sweating right now because they're between arock and a hard place. This is
why it's good that the how votedfor impeachment of Mayorcus to force the hand
of the Senate. It's about thebigger picture. It's not about winning the
battle. They might not win thebattle. They probably won't win the battle,

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but you win the war again figurativelyspeaking, by putting these mealy mouthed
Democrats like John Tester on the recordby saying, no, we shouldn't impeach
may Orcus. Oh really, SenatorTester, enjoy retirement because you're done.
Montana's not going to vote for you. You come out of that kind of
take. He knows it, heknows he's boxed in. This is the

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effective use of the gears of governmentby Speaker Mike Johnson, and he's under
fire, I know recently, butagain, Kelly knows this, and as
much to her chagrin, I'm apragmatist. I enjoy winning, and I
was not in favor of removing McCarthyin the first place, and I'm certainly
not in favor of removing Johnson.It's a clown car. They don't have
a plan talking about Marjorie Taylor Greenand Matt Gates and by the way,

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ken Buck voted to remove Kevin McCarthyas well. Unless you have a definitive,
specific, tangible plan after McCarthy leavesthat, what the hell are you
doing. You're creating chaos for thesake of creating chaos. So we'll keep
an eye on that. That's inreal time. So thank you Texter for
bringing that to my attention. TheSenate. Let me say here, darn't

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closed captioning what is dismiss his twoarticles against may orcus So that just happened.
Kell I gonna need your help onthis because I got a lot of
moving parts. If you can lookat Fox News and what's going on with
all of this. So again,and this is what Chad Pergram's talking about
right now, Bob Casey and Pennsylvaniashared Brown in Ohio, John Tester and
Montana they are in hot water now. If they were part of the then

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they had to be because it's afifty one to forty nine majority, slimmest
of margins in the Senate for theDemocrats, So these guys in tight competitive
races, they had to go onthe record and say no, no,
no, no, we don't wantto have anything to do with impeaching mayorcis
who's a disaster and who voters inour state feel is a disaster five seven,

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seven three nine Text at Ryan,I want to start here because we'll
probably spend the better part of thehour on this. There are many layers
to this onion, and I foundit to be very compelling and interesting as
a person who in a former life. One of my first jobs, as
a matter of fact, in fact, it was my first job in broadcasting.
I was still a student, undergradstudent at Central Michigan University in the

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mid nineties. The year was nineteenninety five. It's almost thirty years ago.
Ed ray Ford and that's how hespoke hired me to run a program
called night Side Jazz on CMU PublicRadio eighty nine point five FM. So
the voices that you hear mimicked byMolly Shannon and Anna Gasteire when they did

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the NPR thing, and it's likereal close to the microphone and very soft
dulcet tones and a a very understateddelivery that is taught. They teach you
that not making that up. Theyweren't making that up. They're right.
NPR was based around, you knowthat that feel, that atmospheric presentation of

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news stories that were more expansive,that were in many ways and genius,
the use of natural sound and theextension beyond the limits of time and commercials
because we're talking about commercial free radio, right listeners supported CMU Public Radio supported

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by listeners like you. I oncehad to do twelve hours of a telethon
for CMU Public Radio and that wasmerged with the public television station. They're
in the building as well, butI had to go. This is where
I really learned a lot about improvisationon the spot. This is live radio.

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You're doing a there's no commerces you. You are the commercial. You're
you're trying to give away tote bagsand you know, mugs. And they
didn't have yeties back then. Butwhat passed for a YETI back then and
in gear. Why should people donateto public radio and think about that.
Yours truly was making that case fornightside jazz because you couldn't find that type
of programming in music on the radioanywhere else. That went along with our

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classical music format as well, whichI believe in a recent conversation with a
friend I have who works back therenow they no longer play the classical music,
which is sad to me. ButI think their audience that listened to
that, let's just say they agedout, died off, and there wasn't
as much interest, unfortunately in theclassical music. But I sang in waxed

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poetic about jazz, about the publicof public the power of public radio,
and the coworker I had at thetime when we finally went to you know,
like a recorded break or whatever,said, man, you really handled
that well in real time, Isaid, I don't know. I was
just kind of making stuff up asI go along. Was like Will Ferrell
the debate in old school, rememberthat where he just kind of blacked out.

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I think that was me in thatinstance. But at one time I
was a firm supporter and believer inpublic radio. I thought it served a
function and a purpose. I thoughtit was a net good for listeners out
there to have that option. Butwhat it has become and what it has
devolved into was illustrated by Uri Berliner, who had worked at public radio for

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twenty five years. Twenty five yearsgoing back into the late nineteen nineties,
and he's got an article on hissubstack here that has got garnered a lot
of national attention, and it wasentitled, I've been at NPR for twenty
five years. Here's how we lostAmerica's trust. And this created a firestorm
both online and from the leftist mainstreammedia, which didn't like the curtain being

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revealed to their leftist aims. Igot a lot of sound on this,
plus an update. NPR suspends veteraneditor Ury Berliner as it grapples with his
public criticism. So if you're grapplinggrappling, it's like wrestling with the public

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criticism. So you're trying to squarethat, like, oh, whether you
have a few good points or maybehe's full of crap in the midst of
that, you suspend him. Oh, and then just wait till you hear
who they hired as their new CEO. She's so bad. Urry has decided
to walk away from NPR. Suspensionthat's not even enough. He's done.

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So we'll get into some of thatsound. We'll go over this entire development
with Heidi Ganal in hour number two. Keep it locked in right here,
Brian Shuling six point thirty k outFrank duran the real estate man. I
think that might work for a jingle. We're gonna go with that. I'm
getting some nods from across the glass. Tell you what I saw Frank Durant

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today. He was in studio forthe Tom Martino Show. Great catching up
with him. As brief as thatconversation was, we might expand have a
lunch next week. But the moreimportant part is that you check out his
website Frank Durant Hoolmes dot com.We're into the spring selling and buying season.
A lot of people on the move. You're looking to buy, you're
looking to sell, maybe a littlebit of both. Sometimes you buy a
home, then you got to sellyour own you're caught. You got to

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sell it. You got to getrid of it right. Or you got
a house that you like. Maybeyou sold your house now you want to
move into it, but you're havingproblems getting that deal done. This is
a guy that can connect the dots. Check him out online Frank Durant Hoolmes
dot com. He's a loyal supporterof our programming here on six point thirty
k, including this show, andwe are loyal supporters of his. He's
been on the Tom Martino referral listfor a very long time. He was

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just in studio today. He isone of the most well known and trusted
names in Denver real estate. Youcan count on him. Website's easy to
follow. I just describe it brieflyhere. Buyers start here, Sellers start
here. They've got testimony going toFrank's service, the quality of that getting
you the best price for the homethat you're seeking to sell, getting you

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the best price for the home thatyou're looking to buy. Got a lot
of other advice on there as well. You even call them by phone.
But to get to all that,just go online. Frank Durant Holmes dot
com. That's Frank Durant Holmes dotcom. Frank Durant, the real estate
man. Tell them, Ryan Senterprized by the response that you know came
from management and the same managers thatI've been making a lot of these points

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about, and they're certainly entitled tothat perspective. I will say I've had
a lot of support from colleagues,and many of them unexpected who say they
agree with me. Some of themsay this confidentially, but I think there's
been a lot of response saying,look, these are things that need to
be addressed. We haven't. We'vebeen too relocked and too frightened, too

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too timid to deal with these things. And I think that this is this
is the right opportunity to bring itall out in the open. Ury berlin
Or and he now is formerly ofNPR SAD News, because we need more
guys like him in those newsrooms.He's a liberal. He admits this in
his substack article, which I wouldimplore all of you to read, just

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find it online. I've been atNPR for twenty five years. Here's how
we lost America's trust. He talksabout the reaction to this piece. It's
a little too honest, it's alittle too on the nose. And he's
a guy on the inside who knowshe appeared on News Nation with Chris Cuomo.
That's a side story. I'll getto that, but just right here,

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I'm trying to get to the highlights. But the whole article really is
a highlight back in twenty eleven.This is directly from his substack. Although
NPR's audience tilted a bit to theleft, it still bore a resemblance to
America at large. Twenty six percentof listeners describe themselves as conservative, twenty
three percent is middle of the road, and thirty seven percent is liberal.

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That's a pretty good split, Iwould say for any new outlet. But
by twenty twenty three, we're talkingjust twelve years later. And keep in
mind, this is in the wakeof the whole Obama eight year administration that
polarized America and the Trump Arrangement centerthat set in after his presidency. So
in twenty twenty three, Urri reportsthe following quote, the picture was completely

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different. Only eleven percent described themselvesas very or somewhat conservative. That was
down a full fifteen points from twentysix. Twenty one percent as middle of
the road. That's down two pointsfrom the twenty eleven survey. Sixty seven
percent of listeners said they were eithervery or somewhat liberal. That's an increase

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of thirty percent from thirty seven tosixty seven percent liberal listeners, and they
fit the stereotypes we have for them, the turtlenecks, the sweaters, the
subarus, the mocha lates with thesoy milk, all of it accurate,
according to Urri Berliner and his confessionin the top of this article, and

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he makes clear here just to note, he says, I eagerly voted against
Trump twice, but felt we wereobliged to cover him fairly. That's all
I ask for. I know Trumpis a divisive figure. He's very polarizing,
and by polarizing, you hear thatyou think negative. He elicits very
positive responses like from Kelly or myself, and very negative ones like for my

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brother, who might as well beJoe Scarberugh. And there's not a lot
in between, which makes it allthe more remarkable that outside of a bodega,
not a bogada, doctor Jill Biden, it's a bodega in Harlem,
New York, the bluest of blue. Trump spoke at Jose Alba's bodega.

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That names sounds familiar. He's theone that was put on Vikers Island by
Alvin Bragg for defending his own shopand killing a man who was threatening him
and his store. So Alvin Braggprosecutes the store owner. Doesn't have any
mind to prosecute actual criminals unless it'sDonald Trump. Here's Donald Trump speaking to

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the media in front of that bodega. Listen to the chance in the background.
Again, this is Harlem. Thesevoters in this district probably went for
Biden by about an eighty five tofifteen margin, if not more. I
think what's going to happen is We'regoing to end up doing so well.
We're way ahead in the balls againstBiden. Biden has destroyed our country.

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Look, Biden is the worst presidentin the history of our country, Worse
than Jimmy Carter by a long shot. Jimmy Carter is happy because he's got
He's had a brilliant presidency. Comparedto Biden. He's destroyed our country.
Between the voters and everything else,he has destroyed our country. Not only
wars are breaking out all over theworld. We'll end up with this first

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person that doesn't We're gonna end upin a world war. So we have
to get rid of Biden. Welove Trump. Imagine Biden in an eighty
five fifteen pro Trump district in arural town in a red state. How
do you think that would go forJoe Biden. I'm gonna tell you,
as somebody comes from such a town, Grass Lake, Michigan, not in

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really a red state, but definitelya red town. Not well, Joe
Biden would not have people chanting welove Biden, we love Joe. No,
no, no, no, theyweren't done. Here's Trump. He
stated he's gonna make a big playfor New York. Okay, Number one,
you have to stop crime, andwe're gonna let the police do their
job. They have to be givenback their authority. They have to be

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able to do their job. Andwe're going to come into New York.
We're making a big play for NewYork. Other city, stupid, this
city. I love this city andit's gone so bad in the last three
years, four years, and we'regoing to straighten New York out. So
running for president, we're putting abig hit in New York. We think
we could win New York with witha half a million migrants and brought in

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and take over the parks. Theytook over your hotels, they take over
everything. It's so good. Andyou know what they've done. They've destroyed
so many people. The African Americancommunity now is not getting jobs. Migrants
are taking their jobs that are hereillegally. Hispanics are not getting jobs.
Migrants are taking the jobs. Sothink about this. What you just heard

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four more years for Trump in Harlem. If he can have listed that kind
of reaction response in Harlem, whatis NPR doing. There's an audience for
Trump in Harlem. It's not amajority, but they're there. An NPR
would dismiss those people out of handbecause they serve a greater purpose, a

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greater good, the existential threat todemocracy that Donald Trump is by any means
necessary. They must suppress ination ina story that might benefit him, and
they must amplify any information a storythat might harm him. Because they serve
an agenda, They advance a narrativethat is not journalism. And that is

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what Uri Berliner was pointing at.Because he continues here as we bring it
full circle back to NPR, henotes, quote, but what began is
tough, straightforward coverage of a belligerent, truth impaired president. His words veered
toward efforts to damage or topple Trump'spresidency. He gives examples, very specific

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and very accurate, persistent rumors hecontinues again, this is available at substack
Urie Berliner. Persistent rumors of theTrump campaign colluded with Russia over the election
became the cat net that drove reportingat NPR. We hitched our wagon to
Trump's most visible antagonist, representative AdamSchiff. Now listen to this quote.

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Shift, who was the top Democraton the House Intelligence Committee, became NPR's
guiding hand, its ever present museby my count. NPR hosts interviewed Shift
twenty five times about Trump and Russia. During many of those conversations, Shiff
alluded to purported evidence of collusion.The SHIFT talking points became the drum beat

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of NPR news reports. But whenthe Muller report found no credible evidence of
collusion, NPR's coverage was notably sparse. Russia Gate quietly faded from our programming.
It is one thing to swing andmiss on a major story. Unfortunately
it happens. You follow the wrongleads, You get misled by sources you

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trusted, You're emotionally invested in anarrative you shouldn't be, but he's continuing,
and bits of circumstantial evidence never addup. It's bad to blow a
big story. What's worse is topretend it never happened, to move on
with no maya, no self reflection, especially when you expect high standards of

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transparency from public figures and institutions,but don't practice those standards yourself. That's
what shatters trust and engender cynicism aboutthe media. And he goes on.
That's just so beautifully put because therewas no consequence. Adam Schiff was lying,
he was censured by the Congress.He provided no evidence of Russia collusion,

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never did. It was one ofthese snake oil salesman moments. Really,
I got the evidence of it rightover here. It's in this trunk.
I'll show it to you one day. And he never showed it because
he never had it. And itwas a lie. The whole thing was
predicated on a lie. And thepart I go back to is somebody that
has worked in journalism, in sportsinformation, in disseminating what should be facts

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to the public. They had AdamSchiff on to advance this narrative twenty five
times. I asked uri Berliner,how many times do they have a Trump
surrogate or Trump himself on to refutethese claims. I'm gonna Garner. I'm
going to wager to say it wasexactly zero. It was zero, and

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there was no opportunity afforded to Trumpor as surrogates to rebut this story.
That's journalism. They weren't practicing journalism, and the difference between them and let's
say somebody like myself. This isan opinion program. I make that clear.
These are my editorial comments, andthey are right of center most of
the time. They're libertarian, they'repopulous, they're conservative, They're a blend

(30:33):
of those three things. Sometimes Ithrow curveballs you're not expecting. Sometimes I'll
have a trans friend of mine comeon the air. Sometimes Valdemar R.
Jiletta, the president of log CabinRepublicans, will be on this program.
Because I have varying views, Idon't box myself in generally, though I'm
right of center, almost unilateral.I will vote Republican, especially now.

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But I tell you that I'm upfrontabout that. I'm direct about my point
of view is not. They werenot, and now they've been called out
on it. They have an editorialpoint of view. It is left of
center. It is exclusionary to anyright of center views. I recently applied
to work back at that home stationof CMU Public Radio. If they had

(31:15):
hired me one, they would probablyregret it based on what I'm saying now,
but they shouldn't because I would bea diversity hire in that newsroom.
I'm white, am male, I'mChristian, I'm conservative. I blow out
the narrative that Berliner is talking abouthere. But they won't hire somebody like
me because they don't want that dissensionwithin their ranks. They don't want to

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be questioned, they don't want toquestion themselves, and that is the antithesis
of journalism. We'll take this timeout, come back, wrap up our
number one still to come, Heidiganaal top of hour number two, and
Representative Gabe Evans this just in.He'll join us at the bottom of the
second hour as well. From theState Capitol. You're listening to Ryan Shuling

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Services. Tell them Ryan sent youchallenge here that we see is, of
course, the First Amendment in theUnited States is a fairly robust protection of

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rights and that is a protection ofrights both for platforms, which I actually
think is very important that platforms havethose rights to be able to regulate what
kind of content they want on theirsites, but it also means that it
is a little bit tricky to reallyaddress some of the real challenges of where
does bad information come from and sortof the influenced peddlers who have made a

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real market economy around it. That'sCatherine Maher, the new NPR CEO,
and she at one time I believe, helped run Wikipedia, and she says
that the number one challenge in fightingdisinformation is our First Amendment protected free speech
rights in the United States. Areyou kidding me? Unbelievable? This is

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the new NPR CEO. So whatNPR does in the wake of this criticism
from within from Ury Berlin or abrave guy who came out and told the
truth, what they choose to dois to spend him without pay for five
days. Whatever that means, aweird suspension, let's start there. And
oh, by the way, theybring in Catherine Maher, a neo fascist

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who believes it's the media's role todetermine what is and what is not disinformation,
even though as we just reviewed,it was NPR who had Adam schiff
On twenty five times perpetuating a provablelie about Russia collusion. That was misinformation.
Advancing the COVID shot narrative as avaccine that prevented infection and transmission.

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That was misinformation, and NPR helpedadvance it. The Hunter Biden laptop story,
which was suppressed and silenced as havingthe earmarks quote unquote of Russian disinformation,
was in and of itself. Infact, what people misinformation advanced and
propelled and amplified by NPR. SoI ask Catherine maher misinformation according to whom

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this is Orwellian speak, one person'smisinformation is another person's truth, and vice
versa. Here's how you deal withthat. It's very easy, but liberals
are afraid of it. You hashit out in the arena of ideas.
You fight what you perceive to bemisinformation with good information, with truth,
with facts, with things that canbe proven citing sources. That's journalism,

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that's educated thinking. That's intellectual writingof fact and theory that you can support,
and the better ideas that are infact true will win out in the
end. That's how you do this. You don't just silence your opposition and
say here, we've got the truthfor you, and in many cases that

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I just cited, it is nottruth at all. So unfortunately this caused
Uri Berliner to resign, and it'svery sad because these totally unhinged tweets from
Catherine Meyer are more evidence of theproblem. Here's what he said, Uri
Berliner, I am resigning from NPR, a great American institution where I've worked

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for twenty five years. I don'tsupport calls to defund NPR. I respect
the integrity of my colleagues and wishfor NPR to thrive and do important journalism.
But I cannot work in a newsroomwhere I am despairing by a new
CEO whose divisive views confirmed the veryproblems at NPR I sight in my free

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press essay here here to Uri.I'm going to talk to Heidiganal about all
of this next. She has createda hub for conservative news sources. Talking
more about that when we come back. Ryan Schuling on six point thirty K how