May 29, 2025 • 32 mins
Jimmy Sengenberger, op-ed columnist and investigative reporter for The Gazette, joins Ryan with his latest on Arapahoe County clerk Joan Lopez and her many failures, dating back to recall efforts in 2019
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Maybe they're convicted of very serious crimes. I'll read it.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The penalty that the Trump administration says is appropriate potentially
could be death.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I mean right, I'll read it sex offenders, kidnapping, murder
in the first degree, battery, larceny, cocaine position, murder, Robert
d u I, child sex abuse, and sex assault on
someone with a mental illness.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
To sue Dan is too good for these people.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
And I'm not sure any other country would take them.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
But what about their home country. I'm not sure they'll
take them. Would you take that person?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Why you know that?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, one of them came from que You know that.
I don't care what you.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Be about with them.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
These are heinous, violent criminals and they do not need
to be here.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
That's all I know.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay
here like closing up the bar there. You have no
right to be here. People that were not born in
this country, you know. I feel lucky that I was
born in this country. Our next guest feels lucky that
his parents were able to move to this country legally,
and he's proud to be an American.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And he's one of the best stories in the Colorado Generalists.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
Joining us now on Ryan Schuling live is Carlos Baron,
Representative and he was born in Guanawato, Mexico, emigrated here
to the United States with his family when he was
an infant, and Carlos is an American through and through.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Representative Baron. Thank you for your.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Time, Ryan, Thank you very much driving me up again, buddy.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
Yeah, love it, Love your story, and I know the
people that you represent love having you on that wall
in the General Assembly under the Golden Dome parts of
Weldon Adams County, part of District forty eight. But I
was informed by Rob Dawson in our Kowa newsroom there
was a rally at the Capitol. You Sheriff Steve Rehems,
Representative Lauren Bobert, a few others were there and there
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was a pretty toxic element. They're protesting it. Take us
through that scene, what it looked like, what was going on?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Oh, thank you, Ryan.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
We had a press conference this.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Morning on the west steps of the Capital. Represent A
Congressman Gabe Evans's team put it together to just basically
put forward the details of the big beautiful bill that's
coming out, just get ahead of the game to let
people know what's going on, how it's going to affect
the state of Colorado. We got there, started with the say,
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about ten or fifteen protesters.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
As we were getting.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Started to get going, I think a lot more came forward.
Let's say about seventy five to one hundred protesters came.
They were just out there being rowdy, loud, just yelling
a bunch of stuff. I don't think they even know
what they were yelling, and they weren't even listening to
what we were saying. We were trying to explain that,
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you know, what they think, what they're being told by
the mainstream media this bill does is not true. We
were putting it in detail on what is going to
actually affect, how it's going to affect the state of Colorado.
And they were just yelling off the top of their lungs,
holding up signs.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I saw one sign that I agreed.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
With save Medicaid, which I agree, and that's what the
big beautiful bill is doing, is saving me decade. But
they were yelling against us, and it was pretty loud
sometimes and.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It was really hard for us to hear ourselves talk sometimes, but.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
We kept going, we kept going forward. It was pretty
Funny One reporter when it was the Questions Time, asked Congressman.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Evans, why go through this?
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Why put yourself through this type of situation when everybody's
yelling at you? And Congressman Evans have the best responses that, well,
even though that they're yelling at us, we find it
that we it's a responsibility of ours to let the
people know what this bill actually does, even though they
probably didn't even hear what he was saying.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
And Representative Barone, I would contend, I think your account
of things supports this that they don't even care what
you were saying. They are just opposing you to oppose you.
It's not about the merits, it's not about the substance.
It's not about the specifics of what the big, beautiful
bill would do. They're eating what they're being fed by
a mainstream media, and this is what makes it so
difficult all for persons like yourself, like Representative Gabe Evans,
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like Representative Lauren Bober, like Sheriff Steve Reams. The mainstream
media buy and large just serves as a platform, a megaphone,
a launching pad for these leftist lies. And Senator Michael
Bennett is one of those advancing the lies that who.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Are going to co medicate.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
No, they're going to reform medicaid so that the people
who are supposed to get it are getting it and
the people who are not supposed to be getting it
are not getting it.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
It's that simple, isn't It's it's that simple. And you
said and you said it right right there, Ryan, and
this is basically what it is. And that's what I
said in my in my part of the speech, is
that this is the perfect time to reform medicaid, to
get it out to the people that actually paid into
the system that need it.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
And it's not really cutting.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Medicaid to the people that have been paying into that
are here legally. It's actually going to benefit them. There's
going to be more money for them to be able
to cover their benefits. And that's what we're trying to say.
But I don't think that they were hearing any of it.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
They certainly weren't representative Carlos, but our own joining us
here on Ryan Shuling Live. I want to get to
a comment from Senator Bennett about this, and this is
kind of part and parcel of what I've been talking
about with regard to rural Colorado, which he suddenly seems
to care about now that he's running for governor. But
these are the people that you represent, Representative Barone, and
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I want to get your response to what he says
here about what the bill will do for Medicaid and
outlying rural areas of Colorado.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Well, I think we're going to make sure the American
people understand what's in this bill. It is completely incoherent,
The Republicans can't agree on what they're trying to do
with it, and the cuts to Medicaid are going to
be devastating to rural America and to rural Colorado. I've
spent a ton of time listening to healthcare providers in
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red parts of the state that voted for Donald Trump,
that are not engaged in waste, fraud and abuse. They're
engaged in trying to deliver healthcare on his shoestring as
it is now.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
You're on the ground in the very area he describes,
Representative Barone, in the rural parts of Weldon Adams County
where Trump ran.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And won, where you ran and won.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
What is your account of what's actually going on there
and what you're hearing from your constituents about what this
bill will do.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Well, Yeah, what I hear from my constrictions here in
rural Colorado is that they're having.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
A hard time getting Medicaid benefits when they actually need
it because there really isn't They're being told there's not room,
there's no money, but there is. I was trying. I
was trying to take away thirty four million dollars out
of the ninety four million dollar budget that covers Medicaid
costs for I legal immigrants and put that thirty four
million dollars into K through twelve education. Unfortunately, it was
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voted down by the Democrats during the long bill. But
the people here are saying, yeah, it's unfair that, you know,
the single mom, the veteran, the elder, they are not
getting their Medicaid benefits that they spend their life paying into,
simply because they want to put ninety four million dollars
sports of legal immigrant healthcare.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
And there's nothing that I said, and and that a
lot of my constituents agree with, is that you think
about your your infight safety talk before you take the flight.
They tell you put on your oxygen mask first before
you help others. We're not trying to We're not we're
not trying to to to be uh, to be mean
to these people. There's a time to be to be
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helpful right now. We have to be able to help ourselves.
And there's a lot of people here that are here legally,
especially especially legal immigrants that I talk to a lot
that they say, this is not fair. Uh, we paid
into the system, we're here legally, and we're not getting
the benefits that we that we that we deserve and
and and that's basically what the rural area over here
are saying. A lot of people here in the rural
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area are hard working people, pay into the system. They
work every day and they and they're not getting the
same benefits that the illegal immigrants are getting one when
they apply for it.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
It really is a prioritization of those who are here
illegally that are not American citizens over those that are
Colorado taxpayers, citizens have done things the right way, have
paid into these programs and should be first in line
to receive that sort of aid.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And it goes to your airline.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Analogy Representative Baron about we are Americans, we have to
take care of our own first before we worry about
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And I think this issue especially hits home for you.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Really difficult for the left to label you an immigrant
to this country as a xenophobe or somebody that discriminates
against illegal aliens. But the very fact of the matter
is exactly what you're saying, which is there is a
reason why legal immigration matters. Your family did it. Your
father is a great success story. But I have to
imagine that it's people like him that took that chance,
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that bet on himself, that came to America to become
an American that really riles them up when they watch
other people not do it the right way, come here illegally,
flaunt our border laws and don't really obey any of
our other laws, and come here expecting something without providing
anything in return. How would you kind of encapsulate the
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feelings of American immigrants, the pride that you feel in
being an American, and why it matters that you come
here legally.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, it's very important to come here legally.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
To me, I took so much pride when I was
studying for my citizenship test. I don't know if many
people know this. There's one hundred and fifty questions that
you have to study to become a US citizen. I
studied every single one of those questions. It gave me
so much pride to know the answers to those questions.
And they only ask you three in the test. You
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don't know which three they are, three out of one
hundred and fifty, but every single one of them. It
gives you pride to understand what the history of this
country is, what this country is capable of giving you,
the American dream which my parents lived.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
My parents worked hard for that American.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Dan and and and and it gives you so much
prime to be a part of this country.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
And the legislation being passed here in the city of
Colorado is.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Actually incentivizing people to stay here illegally, and we don't
want that. We want to incentivize people to become a
legal citizen of this country, a legal permanent resident. And
that is why myself and I've said this publicly plenty
of times at the well and in the interviews, that
I am pushing forward a letter to be able to
work with our federal colleagues and President Trump to find
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a way to streamline the immigration process. We need to
incentivize people to come and be a part of this
country while keeping the vetting process in place. It is
very important to keep the vetting process in place to
make sure that we're not accepting people that want to.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Harm this country. Want to harm people in this country,
but we need to incentivize.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Them to be able to do so. Right now, the
immigration process, i understand, is broken. There there are there
are plenty of areas in the system where people don't
want to do it because it's so hard. Sometimes they
have to leave the country for five to ten years
because they came here illegally. We need to find a
way to be able to stream streamline that process. Take
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away the castigo. It's called the gostigos when they kick
you out of the country for ten years and then.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You come back. We need to find a way to
get rid of that part.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Maybe put in a payment plan to pay off their debt.
But we need to find a way to be able
to do that and to centivize people to be a
part of this country, and they would be happy for
it and better.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Off in the long run. They certainly will be.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
They won't be taking an advantage of with illegal labor
and being paid under the table and not getting the
same benefits and rights that unionized labor has in this
country for American citizens and for legal immigrants, of which
Representative Carlos Bodroan his family is one and a great
success story. I mean, these are the types of immigrants
who want to be Americans that we want and need
in our country, and we're so happy that Representative Barreat
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is one of those fighting for our rights in the
Colorado General Assembly.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Carlos, thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Very interesting day there at the Capitol as usual, but
we'll keep in touch on this issue and we'll see
what happens with the big beautiful bill in the Senate.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Thank you, Ryan, thank you for having me all.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Right, Representative Carlos Baron right there your thoughts and reaction
at five seven seven three nine. Appreciate him joining us
on very short notice. I might add because Rob Dawson,
as he was departing the studio here told me about
this gathering and it was Representative Congressman Gabe Evans that
had organized it, and Representative Bobert was there. Sheriff Rems
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I was texting back and forth with he was there,
but there was just you know, these really obnoxious people,
showing up just to shout them down, because that's what
they have to do.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
They don't have a winning argument.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
If they did, they would engage in the public square
in the arena of ideas, and their ideas would win out.
But they know that won't happen, so they have to
keep the opposition silent. They have to label our side
as misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, throttle us prevent us from having platforms.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Luckily we have one like this, but.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
It's simply difficult to compete with an overwhelming majority of
the media, like we talked about yesterday with NPR and
PBS and the mainstream media over the air news network CBS, ABC,
NBC and then the cable newsnets and CNN and MSNBC,
so much of which is committed to the leftist agenda.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And again silencing, throttling, downplaying.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
The conservative side of an argument, and uplifting and making
excuses for and providing cover and carrying water for the
leftist claims that they just don't hold water. They don't
really carry any weight with those who hear both sides equally,
let's say, in the form of a debate, and so
at the Colorado Capital today in Denver, at the Golden Dome.
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That's all we have from these protesters. They can't afford
for Carlos Baron, for Gabe Evans, for Lauren Bobert to
be right, and they are right.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
If you are receiving.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Medicaid benefits, you should not want illegal aliens receiving those
because one, they don't pay into the program. So just
do the simple ledger of income and expenses going out.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's going to bleed us dry. That's happening in Denver
right now.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Look at the things that Mayor Johnston is having to
cut from the City of Denver budget because he's committed
to walking the plank on illegals being in the city
and being a welcoming city and being a sanctuary city.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And it's these doing so at.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
The expense of Denver taxpayers and citizens who are Americans,
many of them are legal immigrants who came here the
right way. Illegals who come here, you have a right
to nothing. You have a right to nothing. You can
come here and ask for it. You can seek asylum.
Nowhere in our bylaws in the Constitution does it say
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that the United States must asylum to anyone seeking it
from anywhere in the world. We try to remain open
to that. But if there's no vacancy in the end,
that's exactly what it means. There's no vacancy at the end.
Got enough of our own problems here. We've got a
a fentanyl epidemic, we have an addiction epidemic in this country.
We have homeless in the streets of Denver and throughout Colorado.
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Our own citizens who have suffered, veterans who come back
with PTSD and many of them are homeless.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
They should be at the front of the line.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
They put their lives on the line for this country,
swore an oath, upheld it. They deserve our support, not
somebody who just came over the border accidentally, willy nilly,
by aid of a coyote or cartel that was willing
to pay some kind of ransom. That has to work
in the shadows. We cannot tolerate that and be a
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functional society. We just can't. And unfortunately Democrats are hell
bent on perpetuating that, on perpetuating a permanent underclass that
is to the Democratic Party, Make no mistake, that is
the cabal that Mayor Mike Johnston and virtually every Democrat
in a position of leadership. That is what they are
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part of in creating this permanent underclass. Rush Limbaugh talked
about this all the time, and he's right. They're dependent
on government, and therefore they're dependent on democrats on providing
them services and money and freebies and goodies that they
don't have to work for.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
That.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I have no expectation placed on them.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
You will become an American citizen, you will be gainfully employed,
you will pledge allegiance to this country. You'll be loyal
and conformed to our culture and laws. These should be
mandatory for anyone wanting to be here. And I'm not
just saying this is some kind of jingoistic American.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I'm saying this.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
If I were to go to any other country on
this planet and want to be a part of that country,
want to be a.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Canadian, want to be.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
A resident in Japan or Italy or France, then I
had better damn well be willing to conform to their culture.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Their laws. But what we're seeing is much of Europe
is so leftist the themselves.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
We're seeing Ireland, Great Britain, France being overrun by foreign elements,
by members of other cultures that have no common interests
with those of the West that would like to undermine
and eviscerate the values of the West. And that's what
you're watching unfold in Europe right now. It's a very
scary time along those lines. We should be proud of
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our Western values. They are very pro women as opposed
to sin Sharia law in fundamentalists Muslim nations like Iran,
where women do not have rights, or cannot work, or
cannot drive, or cannot expose their bodies in any way, shape, manner,
or form, can't go on a beach wearing a swimsuit.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Think about that for a second.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
There are photos of women in Iran in the seventies
under the shaw They lived life not too different from
you and me. Women had rights, women had freedoms, women
could do things, women could work, women could go to school.
I don't understand the nexus of a left that would
pretend to for the rights of women.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But on the other side, there's two things.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
They're perfectly okay with Sharia law apparently mandatory hjab.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Remember that whole thing.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
There was a cover on a magazine might have been
Sports illustrated a woman in a his job with the
American flag. Talk about a conflict in images there. You
don't have to wear a his job in America if
you choose to, and that's your religion, that is your right,
that is your choice, that is your freedom of religion.
But you should not be compelled to wear one. Liberal
women apparently okay with that. And then on the other
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issue of transing the kids, of having trans kids who
are affecting the personality and the identity of women, taking
sports and spaces and safe places from women and girls
spots on sports teams, leftists women are okay with that.
They endorse it, they embrace it, they welcome it. Why
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why is it bizarro world here when it comes to
the rights of women in the left on those two issues,
I haven't heard a coherent response to that, because absolutely
they should be against Sharia law or any kind of
fundamentalist Islam that would impart the second class citizenry of women,
or for that matter, how about days themselves being thrown
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off the tops of buildings in fundamentalist Muslim countries. Apparently
the left is okay with that? Why how how are
you okay with that? I'll never understand it. Some of
the things I don't understand on the local level is
why I turned to Jimmy Sangenberger of the Gazette and
he will join us. He is doing an expose reporting
on Joan Lopez in a Rapo County.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I'm curious, how are you sure Republicans that this is
being handled in a five.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Partisan I think.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It is a very partisan right now.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
As far as the political climate, I don't know how
to answer that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Apparently not. That's Joan Lopez, a rap Ho County clerk.
I feel really solid.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Living in a rapa Hoe County, in Greenwood Village with
Joan Lopez as the clerk administering the election, sending me
my ballot, overseeing whether or not my ballot is received
and counted, and an answer like that from her.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
But that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Also, I have Amy Padden, who has succeeded a John Kellner,
and what an absolute degradation that has been a downgrade,
if you will, as the eighteenth judicial district attorney in
a Rapaho County, you know, handing out probation to fifteen
year old illegal aliens driving ninety and a forty five
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a killing a twenty four year old young woman. Now probation, Yeah,
we don't want me to get deported. I mean, you
wouldn't want somebody like that to be deported. They got
a state here. Welcome to life in a rapa Hole County.
I'm so proud, so proud to be here. In joining
me now, Jimmy Sangenberger, he is covering this story. He
just heard Joan Lope has a clip there. It was
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an old timer. I don't know how to ans that,
and his latest entitled a rapa ho Clerk's cover up
worse than the screw up and that's for the Denver Gazette.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
He joins us now on Ryan Shuling Live. Jimmy, what
do you got.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
For us afternoon? Ryan? Well, first of all, that twenty
nineteen clip of Joan Lope has never gets old, and
it just really goes to show that, as I write
about yesterday in the Denver Gazette, she's been out of
her depth since she initially took office. I mean that
question was particularly because her office and she had passed
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out flyers in twenty nineteen saying vote early and vote often,
actually distributing advice meant for Chicago, and gave advance notice
to Democrat candidates of when ballots were going to be
dropped compared to Republican candidates, and that was in twenty nineteen.
And before we get to this column, I have to
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tell you Ryan another thing that Joan Lopez and Amy
Patten both have in common, which I wrote about last
week in my column, and that is both of them
hired as their number two men who had left their
previous jobs for bullying women. They're just such gems that
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that's what they would do, is hire their number two.
In the case of Joan Lopez, it's Carl Herman, and
I did a whole story about years ago I interviewed,
just to show you how much I've covered your Clark
in a Rapaco County my former kirk before clerk, before
I fled to Douglas County job that I did an
interview several years ago with the woman who had been
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harassed by Karl Herman, and Carl had been demoted and
eventually he left and then he was brought back with
Joan Lopez as her number two. I mean, it's just
extraordinary these people who say that they're standing up for women,
or for integrity, or for good positive things, and then
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they do stuff like what we see from Joan Lopez
and Amy Pattins.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
You know, we know how difficult it is here in
Colorado in the current political climate. Jimmy for a Republican
to win, and a Rapaho County used to be read,
used to be read like twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's very blue now. I don't understand it though.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
It's not like there's been good governance by Democrats, whether
it's Amy Patten or Joan Lopez, or at the General
Assembly or in the Governor's office. Quality of life in Colorado,
cost of living in Colorado, crime in Colorado, all these things.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You know, Nancy Pelosi, I'm going to paraphraser here, but
I think she's right in some instances, and this would
be one in our state right now.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
A lukewarm glass of water with a D next to
its name would.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Win elections in Colorado. Could be the best, most intelligent
Republican candidate, like a John Kellner who ran for Attorney
General and should have won, like a George Brockler.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Who did the same.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
And it's just that the bar for Democrats is so low.
We want to kill babies, and we were going to
protect your right to kill babies. And as long as
they do that, I don't know if there's other issues
that just say, Nope, not voting Republican, got a vote Democrat.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I know that's one of them. Tell me otherwise. I know.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I'm kind of painting a caricature here, but it's based
somewhat in a firm foundation of reality.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Unfortunately, politics Trump's competence. I mean, if they actually cared
in this state now about competence, we would have had
back in twenty eighteen. You would have seen Matt Crane
reelected over Joan Lopez in a Rappo County and Wayne
Williams re elected as Secretary of State over Jenna Griswold
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in that position. And yet unfortunately we didn't see that,
and both of those in Lopez and Griswold have been reelected,
and both of them happened to have issues where they
had something go wrong. In the case of Griswold, it
was Bio's passwords. In the case of Joan Lopez, it
was this file that I wrote about yesterday that she
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just you know, they weren't up front and it was
the cover up is worse than the screw up in
both circumstances because in the case of Griswold, it was
we're not even letting county clerks know when this is
being flagged until the media gives awareness. Then you have
something similar in Rapo. So I should get to that
the thrust of yesterday's column. So, every year after an election,
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a record is posted, a spreadsheet that Rapahoe County puts
out publicly called the cast Vote Records. And basically what
this does is this reflects the way in which ballots
were voted in Colorado. It's one of those transparency steps
that they like to take off and in counties to
provide some information to voters. Well, in twenty twenty, after
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that election, they screwed up. They're supposed to redact, that is,
remove lines for voters, records for voters that could potentially
identify them in very small precincts. Because there are big precincts,
there are sometimes very small precincts with only a few voters,
and it's possible for you to find out if the
voter voted for Trump or for Biding or what have you.
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And so they will redact these reports to try and
prevent that. While they screwed up and not redacting like
fifteen of these lines and also had accidentally jumbled the
data when they wanted to. So basically they would want
to scramble the different color rows in the spreadsheet, and
they over scramble and scramble all kinds of data.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
And so in October of last.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Year, a Yale professor named Curry Waka I think or
Kerrywaukee he identified to them and said, Hey, I'm going
over cast vote records around the country, and I've noticed
something is wrong with yours. Well, they waited months until
April to replace this, to fix it, and to upload
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the correct.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
File, and then didn't say anything to the public until
in a month and a.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Half, after just a couple of weeks ago, after it
had been identified by twenty twenty election conspiracy theorists. Now,
to be clear, this is not messing with the actual
records of twenty twenty or changing any votes or affecting
any ballots. It's just a change to the public facing
document that they decided to publish as a record. But
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in this environment, you would think that you would at
least have some competence and good sense to get it
right and be fourth right and let the people know. Okay,
there's this mistake we're being proactive, we're updating it. Here's
what this is about. But they didn't do it, and
so that incompetence has allowed some election conspiracy theorists to
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make hay out of this and turn what I can't
firm a cover up into more than the screw up.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Well, and just to put a fine point on it, Jimmy,
it does not only feed into conspiracy theorists, but I
think somebody like myself that has, you know, reasonable questions
about the integrity of our elections, like I have about
Jenna Griswold and her capability, her competence to do the job,
that I can trust my elections under her stewardship, and
I don't. And with what you're telling me about Joan
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Lopez daying back to twenty nineteen, giving kind of winks
and nods and insider tips and saying to vote early
and vote often, I don't trust her to run my
elections in a rappahole county where I vote.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, you can trust our rank and file workers. But
here's the problem, and this is why you need competent
officials unlike Griswold and Lopez, is that when they constantly
screw up when they act in ways that, as both
of them have done, are hyper partisan. When they aren't
transparent and open, it gives at least that sense, that
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aura of distrust or mistrust in the system, and that
may be enough to discourage some people from participating in voting.
And yet they never get it through their thick skulls
that they should operate in any different way, because I
don't think they take their job seriously. I think instead
they just like to go with the flow. It's either
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a paycheck or a way to get them attention and notoriety.
As we see Griswold constantly on MSNBC being this folk
hero now running for Attorney General and continuing her fight
against a big lie and so forth, it just snowballs
worse and worse. Even if underlying the system is a
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good quality system. We really do have reliable elections in
this state. We do have competent rank and file people
doing the jobs behind the scenes. But when you have
politicians doing these jobs right instead of people who are
looking at doing it as a job for the people
for good service, it causes so much headache and deep distrust, and.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
That puts a fine point on it as we were
trying to do your thoughts at five seven seven, three nine,
Jimmy Sangenberger his latest for the Gazette, A rap ho
clerks cover up worse than the screw up talking about
Joan Lopez. I gotta follow Jimmy's lead. Get out of
a rapo, get into Douglas or somewhere else. So Jimmy,
thanks for setting a good example, and thanks for joining
us here today.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Thanks brother, And if anybody wants to see it all
laid out the Denver Gazette Denver Gazette dot com.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
There it is Jimmy Singenberger doing his level best to
keep us informed, doing a great job of that as
an op ed columnist and as an investigative reporter on
this one a time out, wrapping it all up on
this Thursday edition of Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
After these words lipslock, we made it, YEP. I want
Barry Manilow on. You just tolerate it. Zach on the
other side of the glass.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Appreciate his time and his efforts today helping us out
along the way. Scott Jennings joining the program to start
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At five seven, seven thirty nine, Alexis says, Jimmy loves
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license plate clerk Joan Lopez. He's been reporting on her
Shenanigans for many years. It was a Shenanigans tom foolery
or hijinks, which we have found out is Heidigenall's favorite
Hiy hijinks. Yes, Ryan, you do need to move into
a county which has an actual DA that will prosecute
crimes that is not a Rapahoe county anymore. Sadly, you're
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right thinking about Doug co love George Brockler personal friend,
very big fan of his, and Darren Weekley, great sheriff.
I mean, Doug co is pretty sad that might be
a destination. I'm also thinking I want to go off
the grid a little bit like Elizabeth in Elbert County.
My dad's homecoming dance date lives in Elizabeth. Her name's Pam,
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and I don't know if she listens. I think sometimes
she might, but she's delightful. Continuing now with this text,
I like this the Republicans are absolutely better than the
Democrats are here Mayor Johnston, but they're pretty weak overall
and the party's a total mess, rigged election claims, hijacking
dominion voting machines, a false coup in the party. Sorry,
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the party hasn't been good enough here and it should
be easy to be better than Democrats. There are exceptions,
but we have to be much better. You're exactly right.
I'm so frustrated. This should be winnable territory for us,
but we got to get all our ducks in a
row and get how can.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I put this our poop in a group? And we're
gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Dan Cathlis's next, I'll talk to you tomorrow on the Right
side of Hollywood Brian Schruling Live
Maybe they're convicted of very serious crimes. I'll read it.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The penalty that the Trump administration says is appropriate potentially
could be death.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I mean right, I'll read it sex offenders, kidnapping, murder
in the first degree, battery, larceny, cocaine position, murder, Robert
d u I, child sex abuse, and sex assault on
someone with a mental illness.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
To sue Dan is too good for these people.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
And I'm not sure any other country would take them.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
But what about their home country. I'm not sure they'll
take them. Would you take that person?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Why you know that?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, one of them came from que You know that.
I don't care what you.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Be about with them.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
These are heinous, violent criminals and they do not need
to be here.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
That's all I know.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay
here like closing up the bar there. You have no
right to be here. People that were not born in
this country, you know. I feel lucky that I was
born in this country. Our next guest feels lucky that
his parents were able to move to this country legally,
and he's proud to be an American.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And he's one of the best stories in the Colorado Generalists.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
Joining us now on Ryan Schuling live is Carlos Baron,
Representative and he was born in Guanawato, Mexico, emigrated here
to the United States with his family when he was
an infant, and Carlos is an American through and through.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Representative Baron. Thank you for your.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Time, Ryan, Thank you very much driving me up again, buddy.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
Yeah, love it, Love your story, and I know the
people that you represent love having you on that wall
in the General Assembly under the Golden Dome parts of
Weldon Adams County, part of District forty eight. But I
was informed by Rob Dawson in our Kowa newsroom there
was a rally at the Capitol. You Sheriff Steve Rehems,
Representative Lauren Bobert, a few others were there and there
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was a pretty toxic element. They're protesting it. Take us
through that scene, what it looked like, what was going on?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Oh, thank you, Ryan.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
We had a press conference this.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Morning on the west steps of the Capital. Represent A
Congressman Gabe Evans's team put it together to just basically
put forward the details of the big beautiful bill that's
coming out, just get ahead of the game to let
people know what's going on, how it's going to affect
the state of Colorado. We got there, started with the say,
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about ten or fifteen protesters.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
As we were getting.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Started to get going, I think a lot more came forward.
Let's say about seventy five to one hundred protesters came.
They were just out there being rowdy, loud, just yelling
a bunch of stuff. I don't think they even know
what they were yelling, and they weren't even listening to
what we were saying. We were trying to explain that,
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you know, what they think, what they're being told by
the mainstream media this bill does is not true. We
were putting it in detail on what is going to
actually affect, how it's going to affect the state of Colorado.
And they were just yelling off the top of their lungs,
holding up signs.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I saw one sign that I agreed.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
With save Medicaid, which I agree, and that's what the
big beautiful bill is doing, is saving me decade. But
they were yelling against us, and it was pretty loud
sometimes and.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It was really hard for us to hear ourselves talk sometimes, but.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
We kept going, we kept going forward. It was pretty
Funny One reporter when it was the Questions Time, asked Congressman.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Evans, why go through this?
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Why put yourself through this type of situation when everybody's
yelling at you? And Congressman Evans have the best responses that, well,
even though that they're yelling at us, we find it
that we it's a responsibility of ours to let the
people know what this bill actually does, even though they
probably didn't even hear what he was saying.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
And Representative Barone, I would contend, I think your account
of things supports this that they don't even care what
you were saying. They are just opposing you to oppose you.
It's not about the merits, it's not about the substance.
It's not about the specifics of what the big, beautiful
bill would do. They're eating what they're being fed by
a mainstream media, and this is what makes it so
difficult all for persons like yourself, like Representative Gabe Evans,
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like Representative Lauren Bober, like Sheriff Steve Reams. The mainstream
media buy and large just serves as a platform, a megaphone,
a launching pad for these leftist lies. And Senator Michael
Bennett is one of those advancing the lies that who.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Are going to co medicate.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
No, they're going to reform medicaid so that the people
who are supposed to get it are getting it and
the people who are not supposed to be getting it
are not getting it.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
It's that simple, isn't It's it's that simple. And you
said and you said it right right there, Ryan, and
this is basically what it is. And that's what I
said in my in my part of the speech, is
that this is the perfect time to reform medicaid, to
get it out to the people that actually paid into
the system that need it.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
And it's not really cutting.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Medicaid to the people that have been paying into that
are here legally. It's actually going to benefit them. There's
going to be more money for them to be able
to cover their benefits. And that's what we're trying to say.
But I don't think that they were hearing any of it.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
They certainly weren't representative Carlos, but our own joining us
here on Ryan Shuling Live. I want to get to
a comment from Senator Bennett about this, and this is
kind of part and parcel of what I've been talking
about with regard to rural Colorado, which he suddenly seems
to care about now that he's running for governor. But
these are the people that you represent, Representative Barone, and
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I want to get your response to what he says
here about what the bill will do for Medicaid and
outlying rural areas of Colorado.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Well, I think we're going to make sure the American
people understand what's in this bill. It is completely incoherent,
The Republicans can't agree on what they're trying to do
with it, and the cuts to Medicaid are going to
be devastating to rural America and to rural Colorado. I've
spent a ton of time listening to healthcare providers in
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red parts of the state that voted for Donald Trump,
that are not engaged in waste, fraud and abuse. They're
engaged in trying to deliver healthcare on his shoestring as
it is now.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
You're on the ground in the very area he describes,
Representative Barone, in the rural parts of Weldon Adams County
where Trump ran.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And won, where you ran and won.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
What is your account of what's actually going on there
and what you're hearing from your constituents about what this
bill will do.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Well, Yeah, what I hear from my constrictions here in
rural Colorado is that they're having.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
A hard time getting Medicaid benefits when they actually need
it because there really isn't They're being told there's not room,
there's no money, but there is. I was trying. I
was trying to take away thirty four million dollars out
of the ninety four million dollar budget that covers Medicaid
costs for I legal immigrants and put that thirty four
million dollars into K through twelve education. Unfortunately, it was
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voted down by the Democrats during the long bill. But
the people here are saying, yeah, it's unfair that, you know,
the single mom, the veteran, the elder, they are not
getting their Medicaid benefits that they spend their life paying into,
simply because they want to put ninety four million dollars
sports of legal immigrant healthcare.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
And there's nothing that I said, and and that a
lot of my constituents agree with, is that you think
about your your infight safety talk before you take the flight.
They tell you put on your oxygen mask first before
you help others. We're not trying to We're not we're
not trying to to to be uh, to be mean
to these people. There's a time to be to be
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helpful right now. We have to be able to help ourselves.
And there's a lot of people here that are here legally,
especially especially legal immigrants that I talk to a lot
that they say, this is not fair. Uh, we paid
into the system, we're here legally, and we're not getting
the benefits that we that we that we deserve and
and and that's basically what the rural area over here
are saying. A lot of people here in the rural
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area are hard working people, pay into the system. They
work every day and they and they're not getting the
same benefits that the illegal immigrants are getting one when
they apply for it.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
It really is a prioritization of those who are here
illegally that are not American citizens over those that are
Colorado taxpayers, citizens have done things the right way, have
paid into these programs and should be first in line
to receive that sort of aid.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And it goes to your airline.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Analogy Representative Baron about we are Americans, we have to
take care of our own first before we worry about
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And I think this issue especially hits home for you.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Really difficult for the left to label you an immigrant
to this country as a xenophobe or somebody that discriminates
against illegal aliens. But the very fact of the matter
is exactly what you're saying, which is there is a
reason why legal immigration matters. Your family did it. Your
father is a great success story. But I have to
imagine that it's people like him that took that chance,
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that bet on himself, that came to America to become
an American that really riles them up when they watch
other people not do it the right way, come here illegally,
flaunt our border laws and don't really obey any of
our other laws, and come here expecting something without providing
anything in return. How would you kind of encapsulate the
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feelings of American immigrants, the pride that you feel in
being an American, and why it matters that you come
here legally.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, it's very important to come here legally.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
To me, I took so much pride when I was
studying for my citizenship test. I don't know if many
people know this. There's one hundred and fifty questions that
you have to study to become a US citizen. I
studied every single one of those questions. It gave me
so much pride to know the answers to those questions.
And they only ask you three in the test. You
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don't know which three they are, three out of one
hundred and fifty, but every single one of them. It
gives you pride to understand what the history of this
country is, what this country is capable of giving you,
the American dream which my parents lived.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
My parents worked hard for that American.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Dan and and and and it gives you so much
prime to be a part of this country.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
And the legislation being passed here in the city of
Colorado is.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Actually incentivizing people to stay here illegally, and we don't
want that. We want to incentivize people to become a
legal citizen of this country, a legal permanent resident. And
that is why myself and I've said this publicly plenty
of times at the well and in the interviews, that
I am pushing forward a letter to be able to
work with our federal colleagues and President Trump to find
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a way to streamline the immigration process. We need to
incentivize people to come and be a part of this
country while keeping the vetting process in place. It is
very important to keep the vetting process in place to
make sure that we're not accepting people that want to.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Harm this country. Want to harm people in this country,
but we need to incentivize.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Them to be able to do so. Right now, the
immigration process, i understand, is broken. There there are there
are plenty of areas in the system where people don't
want to do it because it's so hard. Sometimes they
have to leave the country for five to ten years
because they came here illegally. We need to find a
way to be able to stream streamline that process. Take
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away the castigo. It's called the gostigos when they kick
you out of the country for ten years and then.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You come back. We need to find a way to
get rid of that part.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Maybe put in a payment plan to pay off their debt.
But we need to find a way to be able
to do that and to centivize people to be a
part of this country, and they would be happy for
it and better.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Off in the long run. They certainly will be.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
They won't be taking an advantage of with illegal labor
and being paid under the table and not getting the
same benefits and rights that unionized labor has in this
country for American citizens and for legal immigrants, of which
Representative Carlos Bodroan his family is one and a great
success story. I mean, these are the types of immigrants
who want to be Americans that we want and need
in our country, and we're so happy that Representative Barreat
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is one of those fighting for our rights in the
Colorado General Assembly.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Carlos, thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Very interesting day there at the Capitol as usual, but
we'll keep in touch on this issue and we'll see
what happens with the big beautiful bill in the Senate.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Thank you, Ryan, thank you for having me all.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Right, Representative Carlos Baron right there your thoughts and reaction
at five seven seven three nine. Appreciate him joining us
on very short notice. I might add because Rob Dawson,
as he was departing the studio here told me about
this gathering and it was Representative Congressman Gabe Evans that
had organized it, and Representative Bobert was there. Sheriff Rems
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I was texting back and forth with he was there,
but there was just you know, these really obnoxious people,
showing up just to shout them down, because that's what
they have to do.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
They don't have a winning argument.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
If they did, they would engage in the public square
in the arena of ideas, and their ideas would win out.
But they know that won't happen, so they have to
keep the opposition silent. They have to label our side
as misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, throttle us prevent us from having platforms.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Luckily we have one like this, but.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
It's simply difficult to compete with an overwhelming majority of
the media, like we talked about yesterday with NPR and
PBS and the mainstream media over the air news network CBS, ABC,
NBC and then the cable newsnets and CNN and MSNBC,
so much of which is committed to the leftist agenda.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And again silencing, throttling, downplaying.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
The conservative side of an argument, and uplifting and making
excuses for and providing cover and carrying water for the
leftist claims that they just don't hold water. They don't
really carry any weight with those who hear both sides equally,
let's say, in the form of a debate, and so
at the Colorado Capital today in Denver, at the Golden Dome.
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That's all we have from these protesters. They can't afford
for Carlos Baron, for Gabe Evans, for Lauren Bobert to
be right, and they are right.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
If you are receiving.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Medicaid benefits, you should not want illegal aliens receiving those
because one, they don't pay into the program. So just
do the simple ledger of income and expenses going out.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's going to bleed us dry. That's happening in Denver
right now.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Look at the things that Mayor Johnston is having to
cut from the City of Denver budget because he's committed
to walking the plank on illegals being in the city
and being a welcoming city and being a sanctuary city.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And it's these doing so at.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
The expense of Denver taxpayers and citizens who are Americans,
many of them are legal immigrants who came here the
right way. Illegals who come here, you have a right
to nothing. You have a right to nothing. You can
come here and ask for it. You can seek asylum.
Nowhere in our bylaws in the Constitution does it say
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that the United States must asylum to anyone seeking it
from anywhere in the world. We try to remain open
to that. But if there's no vacancy in the end,
that's exactly what it means. There's no vacancy at the end.
Got enough of our own problems here. We've got a
a fentanyl epidemic, we have an addiction epidemic in this country.
We have homeless in the streets of Denver and throughout Colorado.
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Our own citizens who have suffered, veterans who come back
with PTSD and many of them are homeless.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
They should be at the front of the line.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
They put their lives on the line for this country,
swore an oath, upheld it. They deserve our support, not
somebody who just came over the border accidentally, willy nilly,
by aid of a coyote or cartel that was willing
to pay some kind of ransom. That has to work
in the shadows. We cannot tolerate that and be a
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functional society. We just can't. And unfortunately Democrats are hell
bent on perpetuating that, on perpetuating a permanent underclass that
is to the Democratic Party, Make no mistake, that is
the cabal that Mayor Mike Johnston and virtually every Democrat
in a position of leadership. That is what they are
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part of in creating this permanent underclass. Rush Limbaugh talked
about this all the time, and he's right. They're dependent
on government, and therefore they're dependent on democrats on providing
them services and money and freebies and goodies that they
don't have to work for.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
That.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I have no expectation placed on them.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
You will become an American citizen, you will be gainfully employed,
you will pledge allegiance to this country. You'll be loyal
and conformed to our culture and laws. These should be
mandatory for anyone wanting to be here. And I'm not
just saying this is some kind of jingoistic American.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I'm saying this.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
If I were to go to any other country on
this planet and want to be a part of that country,
want to be a.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Canadian, want to be.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
A resident in Japan or Italy or France, then I
had better damn well be willing to conform to their culture.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Their laws. But what we're seeing is much of Europe
is so leftist the themselves.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
We're seeing Ireland, Great Britain, France being overrun by foreign elements,
by members of other cultures that have no common interests
with those of the West that would like to undermine
and eviscerate the values of the West. And that's what
you're watching unfold in Europe right now. It's a very
scary time along those lines. We should be proud of
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our Western values. They are very pro women as opposed
to sin Sharia law in fundamentalists Muslim nations like Iran,
where women do not have rights, or cannot work, or
cannot drive, or cannot expose their bodies in any way, shape, manner,
or form, can't go on a beach wearing a swimsuit.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Think about that for a second.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
There are photos of women in Iran in the seventies
under the shaw They lived life not too different from
you and me. Women had rights, women had freedoms, women
could do things, women could work, women could go to school.
I don't understand the nexus of a left that would
pretend to for the rights of women.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But on the other side, there's two things.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
They're perfectly okay with Sharia law apparently mandatory hjab.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Remember that whole thing.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
There was a cover on a magazine might have been
Sports illustrated a woman in a his job with the
American flag. Talk about a conflict in images there. You
don't have to wear a his job in America if
you choose to, and that's your religion, that is your right,
that is your choice, that is your freedom of religion.
But you should not be compelled to wear one. Liberal
women apparently okay with that. And then on the other
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issue of transing the kids, of having trans kids who
are affecting the personality and the identity of women, taking
sports and spaces and safe places from women and girls
spots on sports teams, leftists women are okay with that.
They endorse it, they embrace it, they welcome it. Why
(18:50):
why is it bizarro world here when it comes to
the rights of women in the left on those two issues,
I haven't heard a coherent response to that, because absolutely
they should be against Sharia law or any kind of
fundamentalist Islam that would impart the second class citizenry of women,
or for that matter, how about days themselves being thrown
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off the tops of buildings in fundamentalist Muslim countries. Apparently
the left is okay with that? Why how how are
you okay with that? I'll never understand it. Some of
the things I don't understand on the local level is
why I turned to Jimmy Sangenberger of the Gazette and
he will join us. He is doing an expose reporting
on Joan Lopez in a Rapo County.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I'm curious, how are you sure Republicans that this is
being handled in a five.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Partisan I think.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It is a very partisan right now.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
As far as the political climate, I don't know how
to answer that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Apparently not. That's Joan Lopez, a rap Ho County clerk.
I feel really solid.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Living in a rapa Hoe County, in Greenwood Village with
Joan Lopez as the clerk administering the election, sending me
my ballot, overseeing whether or not my ballot is received
and counted, and an answer like that from her.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
But that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Also, I have Amy Padden, who has succeeded a John Kellner,
and what an absolute degradation that has been a downgrade,
if you will, as the eighteenth judicial district attorney in
a Rapaho County, you know, handing out probation to fifteen
year old illegal aliens driving ninety and a forty five
(20:49):
a killing a twenty four year old young woman. Now probation, Yeah,
we don't want me to get deported. I mean, you
wouldn't want somebody like that to be deported. They got
a state here. Welcome to life in a rapa Hole County.
I'm so proud, so proud to be here. In joining
me now, Jimmy Sangenberger, he is covering this story. He
just heard Joan Lope has a clip there. It was
(21:11):
an old timer. I don't know how to ans that,
and his latest entitled a rapa ho Clerk's cover up
worse than the screw up and that's for the Denver Gazette.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
He joins us now on Ryan Shuling Live. Jimmy, what
do you got.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
For us afternoon? Ryan? Well, first of all, that twenty
nineteen clip of Joan Lope has never gets old, and
it just really goes to show that, as I write
about yesterday in the Denver Gazette, she's been out of
her depth since she initially took office. I mean that
question was particularly because her office and she had passed
(21:48):
out flyers in twenty nineteen saying vote early and vote often,
actually distributing advice meant for Chicago, and gave advance notice
to Democrat candidates of when ballots were going to be
dropped compared to Republican candidates, and that was in twenty nineteen.
And before we get to this column, I have to
(22:10):
tell you Ryan another thing that Joan Lopez and Amy
Patten both have in common, which I wrote about last
week in my column, and that is both of them
hired as their number two men who had left their
previous jobs for bullying women. They're just such gems that
(22:34):
that's what they would do, is hire their number two.
In the case of Joan Lopez, it's Carl Herman, and
I did a whole story about years ago I interviewed,
just to show you how much I've covered your Clark
in a Rapaco County my former kirk before clerk, before
I fled to Douglas County job that I did an
interview several years ago with the woman who had been
(22:57):
harassed by Karl Herman, and Carl had been demoted and
eventually he left and then he was brought back with
Joan Lopez as her number two. I mean, it's just
extraordinary these people who say that they're standing up for women,
or for integrity, or for good positive things, and then
(23:17):
they do stuff like what we see from Joan Lopez
and Amy Pattins.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
You know, we know how difficult it is here in
Colorado in the current political climate. Jimmy for a Republican
to win, and a Rapaho County used to be read,
used to be read like twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's very blue now. I don't understand it though.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
It's not like there's been good governance by Democrats, whether
it's Amy Patten or Joan Lopez, or at the General
Assembly or in the Governor's office. Quality of life in Colorado,
cost of living in Colorado, crime in Colorado, all these things.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You know, Nancy Pelosi, I'm going to paraphraser here, but
I think she's right in some instances, and this would
be one in our state right now.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
A lukewarm glass of water with a D next to
its name would.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Win elections in Colorado. Could be the best, most intelligent
Republican candidate, like a John Kellner who ran for Attorney
General and should have won, like a George Brockler.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Who did the same.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
And it's just that the bar for Democrats is so low.
We want to kill babies, and we were going to
protect your right to kill babies. And as long as
they do that, I don't know if there's other issues
that just say, Nope, not voting Republican, got a vote Democrat.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I know that's one of them. Tell me otherwise. I know.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I'm kind of painting a caricature here, but it's based
somewhat in a firm foundation of reality.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Unfortunately, politics Trump's competence. I mean, if they actually cared
in this state now about competence, we would have had
back in twenty eighteen. You would have seen Matt Crane
reelected over Joan Lopez in a Rappo County and Wayne
Williams re elected as Secretary of State over Jenna Griswold
(24:59):
in that position. And yet unfortunately we didn't see that,
and both of those in Lopez and Griswold have been reelected,
and both of them happened to have issues where they
had something go wrong. In the case of Griswold, it
was Bio's passwords. In the case of Joan Lopez, it
was this file that I wrote about yesterday that she
(25:21):
just you know, they weren't up front and it was
the cover up is worse than the screw up in
both circumstances because in the case of Griswold, it was
we're not even letting county clerks know when this is
being flagged until the media gives awareness. Then you have
something similar in Rapo. So I should get to that
the thrust of yesterday's column. So, every year after an election,
(25:44):
a record is posted, a spreadsheet that Rapahoe County puts
out publicly called the cast Vote Records. And basically what
this does is this reflects the way in which ballots
were voted in Colorado. It's one of those transparency steps
that they like to take off and in counties to
provide some information to voters. Well, in twenty twenty, after
(26:07):
that election, they screwed up. They're supposed to redact, that is,
remove lines for voters, records for voters that could potentially
identify them in very small precincts. Because there are big precincts,
there are sometimes very small precincts with only a few voters,
and it's possible for you to find out if the
voter voted for Trump or for Biding or what have you.
(26:30):
And so they will redact these reports to try and
prevent that. While they screwed up and not redacting like
fifteen of these lines and also had accidentally jumbled the
data when they wanted to. So basically they would want
to scramble the different color rows in the spreadsheet, and
they over scramble and scramble all kinds of data.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
And so in October of last.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Year, a Yale professor named Curry Waka I think or
Kerrywaukee he identified to them and said, Hey, I'm going
over cast vote records around the country, and I've noticed
something is wrong with yours. Well, they waited months until
April to replace this, to fix it, and to upload
(27:17):
the correct.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
File, and then didn't say anything to the public until
in a month and a.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Half, after just a couple of weeks ago, after it
had been identified by twenty twenty election conspiracy theorists. Now,
to be clear, this is not messing with the actual
records of twenty twenty or changing any votes or affecting
any ballots. It's just a change to the public facing
document that they decided to publish as a record. But
(27:46):
in this environment, you would think that you would at
least have some competence and good sense to get it
right and be fourth right and let the people know. Okay,
there's this mistake we're being proactive, we're updating it. Here's
what this is about. But they didn't do it, and
so that incompetence has allowed some election conspiracy theorists to
(28:07):
make hay out of this and turn what I can't
firm a cover up into more than the screw up.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Well, and just to put a fine point on it, Jimmy,
it does not only feed into conspiracy theorists, but I
think somebody like myself that has, you know, reasonable questions
about the integrity of our elections, like I have about
Jenna Griswold and her capability, her competence to do the job,
that I can trust my elections under her stewardship, and
I don't. And with what you're telling me about Joan
(28:34):
Lopez daying back to twenty nineteen, giving kind of winks
and nods and insider tips and saying to vote early
and vote often, I don't trust her to run my
elections in a rappahole county where I vote.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, you can trust our rank and file workers. But
here's the problem, and this is why you need competent
officials unlike Griswold and Lopez, is that when they constantly
screw up when they act in ways that, as both
of them have done, are hyper partisan. When they aren't
transparent and open, it gives at least that sense, that
(29:09):
aura of distrust or mistrust in the system, and that
may be enough to discourage some people from participating in voting.
And yet they never get it through their thick skulls
that they should operate in any different way, because I
don't think they take their job seriously. I think instead
they just like to go with the flow. It's either
(29:31):
a paycheck or a way to get them attention and notoriety.
As we see Griswold constantly on MSNBC being this folk
hero now running for Attorney General and continuing her fight
against a big lie and so forth, it just snowballs
worse and worse. Even if underlying the system is a
(29:53):
good quality system. We really do have reliable elections in
this state. We do have competent rank and file people
doing the jobs behind the scenes. But when you have
politicians doing these jobs right instead of people who are
looking at doing it as a job for the people
for good service, it causes so much headache and deep distrust, and.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
That puts a fine point on it as we were
trying to do your thoughts at five seven seven, three nine,
Jimmy Sangenberger his latest for the Gazette, A rap ho
clerks cover up worse than the screw up talking about
Joan Lopez. I gotta follow Jimmy's lead. Get out of
a rapo, get into Douglas or somewhere else. So Jimmy,
thanks for setting a good example, and thanks for joining
us here today.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Thanks brother, And if anybody wants to see it all
laid out the Denver Gazette Denver Gazette dot com.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
There it is Jimmy Singenberger doing his level best to
keep us informed, doing a great job of that as
an op ed columnist and as an investigative reporter on
this one a time out, wrapping it all up on
this Thursday edition of Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
After these words lipslock, we made it, YEP. I want
Barry Manilow on. You just tolerate it. Zach on the
other side of the glass.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Appreciate his time and his efforts today helping us out
along the way. Scott Jennings joining the program to start
things off. If you missed that, where were you? We
were counting on you to be here, Subscribe, download, listen
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It's just that simple, and you can text the show.
At five seven, seven thirty nine, Alexis says, Jimmy loves
(31:31):
license plate clerk Joan Lopez. He's been reporting on her
Shenanigans for many years. It was a Shenanigans tom foolery
or hijinks, which we have found out is Heidigenall's favorite
Hiy hijinks. Yes, Ryan, you do need to move into
a county which has an actual DA that will prosecute
crimes that is not a Rapahoe county anymore. Sadly, you're
(31:51):
right thinking about Doug co love George Brockler personal friend,
very big fan of his, and Darren Weekley, great sheriff.
I mean, Doug co is pretty sad that might be
a destination. I'm also thinking I want to go off
the grid a little bit like Elizabeth in Elbert County.
My dad's homecoming dance date lives in Elizabeth. Her name's Pam,
(32:13):
and I don't know if she listens. I think sometimes
she might, but she's delightful. Continuing now with this text,
I like this the Republicans are absolutely better than the
Democrats are here Mayor Johnston, but they're pretty weak overall
and the party's a total mess, rigged election claims, hijacking
dominion voting machines, a false coup in the party. Sorry,
(32:33):
the party hasn't been good enough here and it should
be easy to be better than Democrats. There are exceptions,
but we have to be much better. You're exactly right.
I'm so frustrated. This should be winnable territory for us,
but we got to get all our ducks in a
row and get how can.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I put this our poop in a group? And we're
gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Dan Cathlis's next, I'll talk to you tomorrow on the Right
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