Selena Fragassi, author of 'Alanis: Thirty Years of Jagged Little Pill' joins Ryan to discuss her new book available on Amazon starting Monday, June 16 - coinciding with the 30th anniversary of the June 13, 1995 release of Alanis Morrissette's breakthrough album.
Alanis: Thirty Years of Jagged Little Pill: Fragassi, Selena, Lentini, Liza: 9780760395677: Amazon.com: Books
Rep. Brandi Bradley takes a brief break from her day at Water World to discuss with Ryan her support for Douglas County's 'Home Rule' ballot initiative to maintain a level of autonomy from unpopular state law governance. Will this proposal hold up in the courts? How far can it extend? Does former DougCo commissioner Lora Thomas have a point that the promises offered are not the panacea they seem to be?
Alanis: Thirty Years of Jagged Little Pill: Fragassi, Selena, Lentini, Liza: 9780760395677: Amazon.com: Books
Rep. Brandi Bradley takes a brief break from her day at Water World to discuss with Ryan her support for Douglas County's 'Home Rule' ballot initiative to maintain a level of autonomy from unpopular state law governance. Will this proposal hold up in the courts? How far can it extend? Does former DougCo commissioner Lora Thomas have a point that the promises offered are not the panacea they seem to be?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lost a giant, an absolute colossus in the world of
American music. Brian Wilson passing away today, one of the
most influential songwriters of pop music, not only in the
twentieth century, but in the history of the world. Born
June twentieth, nineteen forty two and died today on June eleventh,
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just nine days shy of his eighty third birthday. Brian
Schuling Live with You. It'll be a special edition here
with input from Kelly Couchera as well. Riding alongside Shotgun
and Your Thoughts five seven, seven, three nine. I have
an entire catalog of Beach Boys songs on tap for
music beds coming back from commercial breaks from my show,
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as well as Dance the Beach Boys Brian Wilson in particular,
this was a type of music that was unlike anything
that came before it. It really set the tone for
the California sound of rock and roll during an era
the nineteen six these that was full of war protests
and innovative music and tremendous talent.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The Beatles of course breaking through.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But the Beatles were a British product, whereas Brian Wilson
was an American songwriter and the Beatles and the Beach
Boys had a bit of a rivalry going Pet Sounds
regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time,
and there was kind of a wink and a nod
and perhaps a jab from the Beatles toward the Beach
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Boys in the song back in the USSR. If you
listen to a portion of that song, it's very reminiscent
of the Beach Boys in California Girls, and you'll hear
that song in just a little bit. But Brian Wilson
suffered from a nervous breakdown mental illness in the nineteen
sixties when that wasn't really talked about, and he became
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a recluse for a time, had lifelong struggles along these lines,
but he turned that into creativity and a pop music
product that was unequaled over the years, over the generations,
really as it were. And I came to appreciate the
Beach Boys a lot more in my older years, looking
back on them with fondness. When my dad, you know,
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he wasn't a big Beach Boys guy, at least at
the time. A lot of people thought they were kind
of bubblegum cheesy. But when you listen to their harmonies
and the layers of their music and the depth of
pet Sounds in particular that album. You see what tremendous
talent they had and what a loss this is for
American culture. And no doubt we'll be talking about Brian
Wilson on the Right Side of Hollywood coming up on Friday,
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with Christian Toto and Deborah Flora. It duvetails nicely into
the theme of music and my conversation earlier today with
the author of thirty years of Jagged Little Pill, and
that is Alanis Moris Set. Now, Lanis and I were
both born in nineteen seventy four, and she hit the
scene thirty years ago two days from now, June thirteenth,
with that breakthrough album in nineteen ninety five. This my
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conversation was Selena from Gassi, the author of said book
you ought to Know, And if you're of a certain generation,
you probably already do know, but there's probably a lot
that you don't know about Alanis Morris Set and Jagged
Little Pill and that signature song from it, You ought
to Know thirty years nineteen ninety five, the anniversary in
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June thirteenth, that is right now, as a matter of fact,
and the author of Alanis thirty years of Jagged Little
Pill joins us now on Ryan Schuling Live, Selena Fergassi. Selena,
thank you so much for your time, Thank you for
having me now as you look back on the career
of Alanis Morris set and really the shockwave she sent
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through the music world with this album. The way I
knew her as a gen xer was on You Can't
Do That on television Nickelodeon out of Canada, and then
here she comes with this amazing album. Take us through
from those formative years for her on that show as
a child to the star that she would become in music.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, Alanna's got her start really young. Of course, she
was on TV like you mentioned, but even at the
age of ten, she wrote her first song and released
it a single called Fate Stay with Me, and from
their interest in record labels grew MFA Records Canada ended
up signing her and she was about fourteen and she
had two pop albums that came out only in Canada.
They weren't here in the US. But she was totally
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different as a kid before becoming a Jagged Little Pill songwriter.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
She was.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And of course, the album full of hit songs, and
I remember this being on the top of the charts
of the mid nineties.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I was in college at the time along.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
With I think it was Pieces of You by Jewel
and this type of genre that kind of came through
during that period in the nineties. It was kind of
this post grunge, angst ridden rock. I don't know if
she would fit in that category for you, but just
how you would define her sound and why it was
so so connected with an audience.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Of that time.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, absolutely. I think it was interesting because alternative alternative
rock was really booming in the mid nineties as well,
and I think that format was trying to find its
own identity and like what is alternative? And women were
coming more and more to the fold in the music industry,
even though there was still pushback on having more than
one on a certain record label. But I think with
alanis what she did so brilliantly was she took her
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pop star past and knowing how to write really catchy
songs with this new maturing, in your face, honest, raw
confessional songwriting, and she combined them into this just dynamic
songwriting that talked about very universal themes of growing up
in your.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Twenties joining us.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
She is the author of thirty Years of Jagged a
Little Pill on Alanis Morrissett's career. I can't believe it's
going back that far. Selena Fergasi with us, always curious
about writing a book like this, the undertaking of it
as a project. What motivated you to do it, Selena,
how it all came together, and really how you wanted
to navigate these waters and telling this story.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
There are so much there.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think for me, my journey with Alana started, like
I talk about in the intro, when I was thirteen
and my uncle actually first played the album and I
didn't quite understand it when I was that young of
an age, but I grew into knowing what she was
talking about, and then it really meant something to me.
So it's an album that's really stuck with me. And
to write this book, what I wanted to do was
explore all the very nuanced ways that this album came together,
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taking into consideration her past in the industry, how she
was almost tagged as it has been because her pop
career didn't go off, and then how she came to
write this album with her collaborator Glenn Ballard, and all
the various struggles she went through even trying to get
attention and get the album signed. It really is an
underdog story that's incredible to just be able to write
about and have people read about.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And you can find it on Amazon or at your
faite favorite bookstore as well. Little thirty years of Jagged
Little Pill and the author joining us now, Selena Fergassi.
I remember her music crossed over into pop culture in
an iconic moment on Sports Center. My backgrounds in sports,
and Kenny Mayne famously was very quick with a quip
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and clever and he quoted her song ironic whenever there
was a home run or something and said, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Coincidence, not irony.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, is there that level of breakdown of these songs
in your book about you know, rain on your wedding Day?
Is that coincidence or irony? What say you?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, I did a real deep dive into all the
meanings and the background of all of these songs, and yeah, ironic,
it's completely true. She didn't totally get the meaning right
in her song very much. Is Quinn not irony? But
the power of that song and how pervasive it was
is that she literally changed our perception of the meaning
of that word, and there had to be like a
subtax and the dictionary for it. So yeah, it's just
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incredible the impact the alpad. But do I dig into
all the songs and there's some you Know, beyond You
Out to Know, which was really just the canon out
of the gun. There's so many songs on this album
that are also just so deserving of attention and bring
so many different emotions to the fold.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, and for me, I was not really the target
audience for this, But like you mentioned, you heard this
song for the first time with your uncle playing the album.
I had the album too, because I just thought it
was really good music. And some of these that became
hit signals other than You Ought to Know all I
Really Want One Hand in My Pocket, you learn Head
over Feet ironic. I say, these titles and the lyrics
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come back to me like instantaneously, And you mentioned You
Ought to Know was the big breakthrough hit, but then
all these other ones kind of came in waves after that.
Was there one of those songs that stood out to
you in terms of its storytelling or how personal it
was for Alanis that really jumped off the page for you.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, you know, I think, like most people, before I
started writing this book, my favorite song on the album
was You Ought to Know, just for the visceral emotion
behind it. But as I was writing this book and
I played the album one hundred plus times last summer
when I was doing all this research, the song right
through You stuck with me even more. And I'll tell
you why that song really is. I think her most
passionate on the album. It is her very much talking
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to the record label executives, the men in the industry
who did not want to give her the time of
day or wanted to change her. For me, it's the
most personal and most passionate and like one of the
best sounding with the rock riff on that song.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now again joining us Selena Fiossi, she's the author Alanti's
Thirty Years of Jagged Little Pill. It's out right now,
just dropped as a matter of fact on June tenth, yesterday,
available on Amazon. But the interviews that you put together
in telling this story and weaving this tapestry about alanis
obviously Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swift. These are two big
names in music, and you were able to get a
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couple of quotes from them. Taylor, of course, is famous
for rating breakup songs that you don't want to end
up in if you're a guy that's dated her. But
there's always been this legend you talk about that word
canon about Detroit native Dave Coolier full House. A lot
of people remember him from that, but he also had
a show I believe it was out of Control on
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Nickelodeon in which the cross paths somewhat with Alanis Morissett.
There was a rumored romance there and that you ought
to know was in fact about him. Were you able
to confirm that or is that just one of those
things that got out of hand as a rumor.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, I wish I could tell you I was able to,
But Alana's just someone who never really kissed and told
she's never to the stay divulged who it was. I
talked to her early manager, Scott Welch, who was with
her in that time. He said she did, in fact
tell him it was about one person, but until she
divolges it, he's not going to either. But I will
say the timeline of events, like you mentioned, you kind
of match up to be about.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Dave there was a similar kind of legend about Carly
Simon in You're So Vain and who was that about?
And I think she ended up telling that it was
about two different people, David Geffen, interestingly enough, about taking
a private jet to see a total eclipse of the sun,
and Warren Batty, for whom it was rumored many years
that she was writing about him. But I guess the
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mystery shall remain on this song as long as Alanas
plans on that being the case. But that was the
other thing that was going to ask you about, Selena
is why this music broke through, why it appealed to
a generation of young women, in particular about you know,
kind of helping them tell their own stories, was that
it was painful. I would think in a lot of
ways for Alanis to write these songs, they were angstritten,
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but they were based on her personal experiences, based on
the interviews that you conducted, the people that you talked to.
Did this album take a lot out of Alanis? I mean,
like the creation of it, pouring of her soul into it,
the manufacturing of the arts surrounding it. What effect did
this album have, not just in the fame and the
glitz and the glamour on Alanis, but just in the
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creative process itself, yeah, it was huge.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
She went on what she calls one hundred blind dates
of different songwriters to try to find the best match
to get what she wanted out on the page, and
she finally found it with Flen Ballard. But the thing
about it is she wrote these songs so quickly. They
did a song almost every day, and so they came quickly.
But once the album started snowballing, it really took a
personal toll on her and she was exhausted. She went
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on a nearly two year tour, almost three hundred shows
twenty eight countries. Fans were clamoring for her, thinking that
she was sort of their personal therapist, and it was
a lot for her, and she actually had to take
a year long break and go to India, which is
how we then got the song thank You.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Alanis Moore set and the story being told as it
has never been told before in thirty years of Jagged
a Little Pill by Selena Fergasi, our guest here on
Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Selena.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
As people order this book, what can they expect? How
does this different maybe from other music biographies? Maybe that
you've read or what you planned to do with it
to make it stand out, to make it unique.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, I think the fact that it's focused on one
singular album. I do talk a bit about what Alanis
did thereafter, but it's really a deep dive into the
making of this one album, and I wanted to get
more perspective than my own in it. I did a
ton of research for this book, but I also chatted
with her early manager, the publicist for this album, and
three additional music journalists, all of whom are women, because
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back in the day, mostly men wrote about Alantis and
those perspectives could be skewed at times, so I wanted
to really bring in a lot of those other voices
that weren't a part of the mix back when this
album wasn't its heyday.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Final question, Selena, I always appreciate your time and definitely
admire the work that you created here and people can
find it on Amazon at their favorite bookstore. And that
is when I ask people about writing a biography on
a subject, especially one that is still living. Whether or
not it being authorized or authorized is important, whether having
access to the subject is important, or whether you want
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to keep a distance from your subject in telling an
objective story.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What was your approach to that.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Did you want Alanis's input or approval on it, or
did you go the other way on that and say,
I'm going to tell this story. We're going to be
honest and objective about it and let the chips fall
where they may.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That's a great question. I did not work with Alanis
on this book, but I wanted to get people in
her world who could be those third parties to tell
me what was going on at the time, how it
was working with Alanis, how they wanted to market her,
and so I think what you get is a very
nuanced story here, and I wanted to also reflect very
authentic comments and sought from Milanis herself, and so I
have a lot of interviews that I went through and
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pulled some of those thoughts of her own, so that
there is that authenticity too, and you get her own
perspective as well. In the next of the book.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well for gen xers and millennials, Alanis Morrissett was it
for a period of time in the mid nineties, and
this was a landmark album worthy of the book that
Selena Fergossi has written. Alanis thirty years of Jagged Little
Pill again. Find it on Amazon or at your favorite bookstore. Selena,
thank you so much for your time, for telling this
story and for joining us here today.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Bryan.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay, that conversation earlier today.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
And Kelly caucheris I do the math and I mean
to out you, but you're not exactly secretive about your age. No,
you were twenty three when Jagged Little Pill came out
in nineteen ninety five. Were you too old for the album?
Was that only for high school girls? In college girls?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean it.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Wasn't really the music that I listened to back then, right,
But it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate her talent.
And you know that album, like you said, was iconic
for the time.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You have to go to one show at Red Rocks.
Elenis Morrissett or Jewel who is the same.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Age as Morris? Okay, I really don't groove on the Jewel.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You are a Californian, though, and I have to imagine
the death of Brian Wilson hits especially.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Hard, it does it? Does you know?
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I grew up listening to the Beach Boys. Obviously it
was part of the culture. Yes, in La and but
like you said, Brian was always very tormented and it
was unfortunate. And Shannon even shared with me a story
I didn't even know about, but apparently Dan Ackroyd and
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Belushi used to get him out of bed and throw
him in the ocean or something.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Ryan in bed, just like like Brian Wilson did Crazy
Brett Bear Naked Ladies. He was infamous for doing that.
And there is a bio pick out with John Cusack
starring as Brian Wilson. We'll talk about that in a little
bit too. Representative Brandy Bradley up next, telling us why
she supports home rule in Douglas County. We take her
away from water World, but just for a moment. You know,
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Ashley Key and her real estate service. I get asked
about it all the time in text to my program.
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Is Ashley Key? Is she the conservative one that came
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
Ashley Key.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's Keyfrontrange Homes dot Com. Full service real estate elevated.
Sherry's neighbor on her street has two signs in her
line black lives Matter and know on home rule, she
might as well have an in this house we sign,
And that automatically makes me go, you know what, Maybe
home ruled is a good idea, but you're saying it's
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not what it's cracked up to be right, It is.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Not what we are being told it is by the
county commissioners. And as an example, there was an immigration
law that just passed the legislature that Governor Polus signed
two weeks ago. And you know what they specifically call
out in this bill. I think it's twenty five, two
seventy six. This bill applies to home rule counties and
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home rule municipalities. So the state legislature is sending us
a message that, by gosh, you Douglas County are going
to follow our state laws. And you just said, what's right?
I wish that we could opt out of these laws
that I believe in others that the legislature has gone
too far. But home rule is not the way to
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do that. The way to do that is for the
Republican Party to start appealing to voters who want to
vote for our candidates, and then we have Republicans under
the gold Home who can then fashion laws that are
more in line with our values.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Former doug Co Commissioner Laura Thomas providing the counterpoint last
week on Ryan Schuling Live to George Teel, who is
currently the chair of the Douglas County Board of Commissioners
the vote on home rule, and also joining George in
that effort is our next guest, Representative Brandy Bradley. We
played Sloop John B coming back in tribute to the
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departed Brian Wilson.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Who passed away today the Beach Boys.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Because she's taking a break from water World just to
talk to us, Brandy, I feel so special.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Thank you, Ryan, anything for you. I'm still so special.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Now you heard what Laura had to say.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I get the pragmatic kind of practical approach that she
has of Hey, we have to win elections and that's
how we affect change. But we live in the here
and now, and home rule is an issue right before
the voters of Douglas County. Give us your sales pitch
as to why you think it's a good idea and
why Laura is a are something that you disagree with.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Well, I mean, Laura is failing with her Republican party
and she joined a lawsuit with Bob Marshall, a progressive Democrat,
to sue the county and lost that because there weren't
any violations of open meeting laws and is running pretty
much with the Democrat Party. So yeah, somebody's feelings are
a little hurt. And so now she wants to vote
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now on home rule. So you know, I guess when
your feelings are hurt, you can't be rational, and so
I think that's just it's a prideful move, and I
think it's disgusting, to tell you the truth. I think
Home World would be great for Douglas County. I think
Home World would be great for the people of Douglas
County to get away from these progressive ideas and policies
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that are ruining our state that we are watching it.
Look at what is happening in downtown Denver right now.
We have had Capital Police tell us as legislators to
stay far away from downtown Denver because these policies are
letting free of terrorists terrorize the businesses downtown Denver. I mean,
what a joke.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Representative Brandy Bradley joining US Republican of course from the
thirty ninth district in Douglas County has become kind of
this haven for law and order. When you talk about
Sheriff Darren Weekly, when you talk about District Attorney George Brockler,
and he'll be joining us coming up at the top
of our number two. And Brandy, to the degree that
doug CO is able, you want to insulate yourselves from the.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Madness that we've seen that you.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Have participated in trying to oppose firsthand at the General Assembly.
But I'm getting back to kind of Laura's base premise,
which is how much can home rule really affect life
in Douglas County to provide that insulation against the wacka
doodle far left policies statewide in Colorado, Or how much
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is doug Co going to be forced to conform to
state law even if home rule is voted in.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Well, there's Colorado Revised Statute thirty thirty five to two
one that give us a lot of protections. It gives
us the tools. Jeff Garcia, the Attorney, went through a
lot of the tools that will provide us under Home rule.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Does it provide us everything?
Speaker 5 (22:08):
No, there's not a magic wand, right, but it gives
us some safety net. So if the state does decide
to come after Douglas County, we can go to the
court with another tool in the toolbox. No, it's not
a magic wand. Ryan, I'm not going to sit here
and tell the voters this is a magic wand. It's
going to keep us away from these horrific ideas. But
it does hold up in court a lot better than
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not having home rules represented.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Brandy Bradley our guest. We'll get her back to water
World in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But this ballot initiative going to be decided upon by
Doug Co voters.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
When is the date for this ballot?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I believe it's June twenty fourth, Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So that's coming up in just a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
It's important that people are aware of this, and I
guess my hope is kind of counterbalanced by a fear
that this time of year. I mean, Brandy, you're doing
it right now. People are on summer vacation. They're not
thinking about an election. It's not front of my mind,
Yd awareness that sort of thing. So how do you
think that will affect one turnout for the vote and
two how the vote might turn out.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Well, they've already hosted about twenty different meetings. The people
that are running are running voluntarily. They're not being paid.
You know, I'm trying to get out the mistruth. This
is not a power grab by these three commissioners. Kevin
beIN Winkle's given eight years of his life in the
state House. You know what that means for those of
us that put aside our families, put aside all kinds
of different things to run for office. He is a
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great patriot, a great man, doing this voluntarily. Max Brooks
that I just finished up the session with is also
on the slates, so as Darren Weekly, our sheriff. These
people are not being paid to do this. They want
what's best for our county. We want public safety, We
want affordable housing for the people of Douglas County. You
saw the bill that I tried to pass to prevent
child rape. We want Douglas County to be a safe
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haven for our constituents. This isn't a power grab. These
are true patriots that want what's best for the residents
of Douglas County. So We're getting the word out. We've
already hosted twenty meetings for the constituents in Douglas County.
We're going to keep hosting more, and I'm going to
shout it from the rooftops, just like everyone's running for
this light. We will get the word out. And anytime
Liberal progresses are putting vote no on Home RLD next
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to a Black Lives Matter, you better believe that the
people of Douglas County are awake and are going to
vote yes on home rule and we are going to
protect the citizens of Douglas County.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And if you live in Douglas County and are fortunate
enough to be represented by Brandy Bradley or to be
protected by Sheriff weekly or District Attorney George Brockler, that vote,
as she mentioned, is coming up Tuesday, June twenty fourth.
Just one other topic I'd like you to appine on, Brandy,
and that's because it's in the news right now, and
it might be coming to a city near you, hopefully
not Castle Rock or Douglas County. But we see the
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riots in Los Angeles, we see the Democratic leaders telling
us not to believe our lying eyes.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
But then we see the polling in reaction to it.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
This is Harry Enton from CNN on polling up immigrants
in how they view illegal immigrants and policies that regard them.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Start off on the fact that immigrant citizens, immigrant voters,
foreign born voters have gone tremendously to the right on
this issue in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five
versus where they were on twenty twenty. Closest to her
trust warn immigration. You go back to twenty twenty, Democrats
get this, held a thirty two point lead on this issue.
Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump forward to
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twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. Look at that shift,
a forty point shift to the right among immigrant voters.
Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over Democrats,
more so than any.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Other group that I could find.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
The group of voters who became more hawkish on immigration
were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants who are registered to
vote in this country.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
We've seen some faint echoes of the demonstrations protests in
La here as you mentioned Brandy in Denver.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
They're rumored to be an Aurora, Colorado springs.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But we've also had two landmark incidents involving illegal aliens
who were criminals, and that is the fifteen year old
illegal alien in a Rapahoe County who killed Caitlin Weaver,
a twenty four year old in a wantonly, absolutely reckless
act of vehicular homicide in a car that he stole
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from his mom that he wasn't licensed to drive and
he wasn't legal to be here, and he was given
probation by Amy Padden in the eighteenth District, but then
Ice came scooped him up and also apprehended his family.
Same holds true for the Boulder terror attacker who was
in the country illegally somehow got a Colorado driver's license
with driving Uber eats throws fire bombs as an eighty
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eight year old Holocaust survivor, and he is being marked
for deportation along with his family. Colorado is ground zero
for so many of these issues pertaining to Ice Brandy.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Where do you see this issue going from here?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I think that Republicans Arians continue to pick up voters.
They support mass deportation the Democrat voters do, and they
also support getting boys on a girls sports and getting
boys out of women's safe spaces and they are at
an all time low. Their party is and these their
Democrat leaders are not paying attention to what the Democrat
voters want, and we will willingly take them. And I
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think that's why Trump won by a landslide. And we're
going to continue to see grassroots conservatives win and we
will take the state back.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Mark my words, take that to the bank and cash
and taking her break on her own version of the sloop.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
John B. From Waterworld.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Representative Brandy Bradley, doing great work, well deserved leisure time. Brandy,
thank you so much for spending some time with us.
Please go back to having some fun and post some
pictures on Facebook if you.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Would please anytime. Ryan, I'll be on anytime. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
All right, Representative Brandy Bradley your response and reaction five seven,
seven three nine. Also throughout today's program, my musical tribute
to Brian Wilson, passing away today at the age of
eighty two, the founder and chief songwriter of the Beach Boys.
So many iconic tunes that mark the tale of summer
in the United States of America in California and that
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new wave of rock that came through a nineteen in
the nineteen sixties. Your favorite Beach Boys song, Pass them along.
I'm sure I'm going to play it at some point today,
whether it's on this show or Dan's. We'll get Kelly's
favorite Beach Boys song. We come back as well. Ryan
Schuling Live continues after this. So many songs in the
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Beach Boys catalog, and we're here to celebrate them all today,
remembering Brian Wilson, his family announcing his passing earlier today
at the age of eighty two. Of course, really the
brains and the bron behind the Beach Boys and their
songwriting and the smash Hits success they enjoyed for a
period of decades, and we'll cover that time span throughout
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today's program and also the Dan Campellis show coming up
later today. Well, if you wish they all could be
California girls, we do have one right here in the
control room writing Shotgun today as we are in the
basement studio, the control room, on my own board, Kellykacerra,
a California girl born and raised.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes, just as soccinctly.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
As you can put a fine point on it, Kelly,
what did the Beach Boys mean to life growing up
in California?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
It was everything, because you know, whenever you go to
the beach, you listen to the beach Boys. Going to
the beach. When you come back from the beach, you
listen to the beach Boys. My family used to scheme
Mammoth every year, and we used to take the cassette
of pet Sounds. That was one of the albums we
used to listen to, Oh Yeah driving up to Mammoth
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and so yeah, it's it's a very bittersweet day. But
all in all, I mean, somebody like you being from
Michigan and not immersed in the culture of California, it
just the beach boys just emanated the exact California dream
and that la vibe and everything like that. And so,
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you know, especially if you grew up surfing like I
used to to surf, so you know, you always had
surf in USA and surf in Safari and it just,
you know, the whole culture fit.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
This from the official Facebook page of Brian Wilson. From
his family quote, we are heartbroken to announce that our
beloved father, Brian Wilson, has passed away. We are at
a loss for words right now. Please respect our privacy
at this time, as our family is grieving, we realize
that we are sharing our grief with the world love
and mercy. And it shows a nice photo of him
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and his older years on a park bench, and you know,
he's a little bit older than my dad. But I
have this connection through my dad of following that music
from that time and him living through it. And again
the rivalry between the Beach Boys in America and the
Beatles in Britain. And I think there are some interviews
of Paul McCartney and John Lennon when they heard Pet
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Sounds in nineteen sixty six, and if you'll recall, Sergeant
Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band was released in sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So there was a lot that was borrowed.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Stolen, implied, taken from one from the other, at least
the Beatles in appreciation for Brian Wilson, and he truly
was the definition of an eccentric genius. He suffered from
a mental breakdown. Fame can do that to a person
I can only imagine, and he came back triumphantly in
writing the songs in the the production value of Pet
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Sounds and then going on tour with his two brothers
who would precede him in death Dennis, And there's so
many stories about the Beach Boys through the years, the sixties,
the seventies into the eighties. The song Kokomo came out
of nowhere as a top charting hit. Cocktail movie was Cocktail,
Tom Cruise starring in that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
We'll have that one coming out. The girl Elizabeth sho.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I still get chills just thinking about her. She was
a dream, she is a dream. She looks phenomenal now.
And I you know, like I told you, I rationalized
that this is from like the Karate Kid. When I
was ten that movie came out and she played alle
I was smitten. I'm like, wow, well, I don't know
what to do with girls, but whatever I do, I
would want to do with her. And if she married me.
And I know I'm younger, but let me make a play,
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let me shoot my shot.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
She wouldn't have to change her name that much.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
It just go from Elizabeth's shoe to Elizabeth's shoeling. Yes,
there you go, real nice and easy.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Did you see Adventures in Babysitting Show?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You bet I did? And I was the kid.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I didn't play the kid, but I related to the
kid who had a big crush on her, huh, yeah,
that was me. He was like thirteen and that would
have been me. Gina sends us love from the state
of Missouri, says Hi, Ryan, being an Orange County girl,
here we go and being of a certain age, I
grew up with all the songs, but now I would say,
God only knows.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And good Vibrations.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Also of note, he was the last surviving brother, indeed
brother in the band that is Yes. So we started
the show with Good Vibrations. That just seemed like the
right choice, and I made it and you're welcome. And
if you missed it, I'm sorry, but I can't put
it on the podcast. I heart prohibits me from doing that,
so my apologies for that. However, God only knows. Just
a little sneak peek that'll be coming up during the
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Dan Camplis show. I've got a whole itinerary set list,
if you will, of Beach Boys songs that we're going
to play on today's program sending me your memories, your
favorite songs and the Beach Boys like this one from Patty,
huge Beach Boys fan, When I need to chill, music
from the sixties does it for me. Good Vibrations is
outstanding and holds up all these decades later.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It certainly does.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Steven Littleton, retired law enforcement officer, always appreciate him his
service and him listening. I grew up listening to the
Beach Boys. The loss of one more of them is
a reminder of our own mortality. Indeed, it is Steve.
And then this was a little bit harsher and a
very sharp edge. Ryan, I forgot how lousy Alanis' music was.
You should be covering Brian Wilson right now, a true
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musical genius. Well, pump the breaks, pal. First of all,
I started, you might have joined in progress.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I sit here and do the show every day for
two hours, but people are tuning in and tuning out.
I get that.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But rest assured Kelly will attest.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
To this opened with Brian Wilson and good vibrations and
talking about it. It just so happens that today I
interviewed the author of the thirtieth anniversary biography of Jagged
Little Pill, which came out in nineteen ninety five. So
a very musical theme today. Hope you're enjoying it. I know,
Kelly is an hour number two straight ahead. I renigged
on my invitation yesterday. I felt so bad. George Brockler
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is next on a Ryan Schuling Live
Lost a giant, an absolute colossus in the world of
American music. Brian Wilson passing away today, one of the
most influential songwriters of pop music, not only in the
twentieth century, but in the history of the world. Born
June twentieth, nineteen forty two and died today on June eleventh,
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just nine days shy of his eighty third birthday. Brian
Schuling Live with You. It'll be a special edition here
with input from Kelly Couchera as well. Riding alongside Shotgun
and Your Thoughts five seven, seven, three nine. I have
an entire catalog of Beach Boys songs on tap for
music beds coming back from commercial breaks from my show,
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as well as Dance the Beach Boys Brian Wilson in particular,
this was a type of music that was unlike anything
that came before it. It really set the tone for
the California sound of rock and roll during an era
the nineteen six these that was full of war protests
and innovative music and tremendous talent.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The Beatles of course breaking through.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But the Beatles were a British product, whereas Brian Wilson
was an American songwriter and the Beatles and the Beach
Boys had a bit of a rivalry going Pet Sounds
regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time,
and there was kind of a wink and a nod
and perhaps a jab from the Beatles toward the Beach
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Boys in the song back in the USSR. If you
listen to a portion of that song, it's very reminiscent
of the Beach Boys in California Girls, and you'll hear
that song in just a little bit. But Brian Wilson
suffered from a nervous breakdown mental illness in the nineteen
sixties when that wasn't really talked about, and he became
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a recluse for a time, had lifelong struggles along these lines,
but he turned that into creativity and a pop music
product that was unequaled over the years, over the generations,
really as it were. And I came to appreciate the
Beach Boys a lot more in my older years, looking
back on them with fondness. When my dad, you know,
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he wasn't a big Beach Boys guy, at least at
the time. A lot of people thought they were kind
of bubblegum cheesy. But when you listen to their harmonies
and the layers of their music and the depth of
pet Sounds in particular that album. You see what tremendous
talent they had and what a loss this is for
American culture. And no doubt we'll be talking about Brian
Wilson on the Right Side of Hollywood coming up on Friday,
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with Christian Toto and Deborah Flora. It duvetails nicely into
the theme of music and my conversation earlier today with
the author of thirty years of Jagged Little Pill, and
that is Alanis Moris Set. Now, Lanis and I were
both born in nineteen seventy four, and she hit the
scene thirty years ago two days from now, June thirteenth,
with that breakthrough album in nineteen ninety five. This my
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conversation was Selena from Gassi, the author of said book
you ought to Know, And if you're of a certain generation,
you probably already do know, but there's probably a lot
that you don't know about Alanis Morris Set and Jagged
Little Pill and that signature song from it, You ought
to Know thirty years nineteen ninety five, the anniversary in
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June thirteenth, that is right now, as a matter of fact,
and the author of Alanis thirty years of Jagged Little
Pill joins us now on Ryan Schuling Live, Selena Fergassi. Selena,
thank you so much for your time, Thank you for
having me now as you look back on the career
of Alanis Morris set and really the shockwave she sent
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through the music world with this album. The way I
knew her as a gen xer was on You Can't
Do That on television Nickelodeon out of Canada, and then
here she comes with this amazing album. Take us through
from those formative years for her on that show as
a child to the star that she would become in music.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, Alanna's got her start really young. Of course, she
was on TV like you mentioned, but even at the
age of ten, she wrote her first song and released
it a single called Fate Stay with Me, and from
their interest in record labels grew MFA Records Canada ended
up signing her and she was about fourteen and she
had two pop albums that came out only in Canada.
They weren't here in the US. But she was totally
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different as a kid before becoming a Jagged Little Pill songwriter.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
She was.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And of course, the album full of hit songs, and
I remember this being on the top of the charts
of the mid nineties.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I was in college at the time along.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
With I think it was Pieces of You by Jewel
and this type of genre that kind of came through
during that period in the nineties. It was kind of
this post grunge, angst ridden rock. I don't know if
she would fit in that category for you, but just
how you would define her sound and why it was
so so connected with an audience.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Of that time.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, absolutely. I think it was interesting because alternative alternative
rock was really booming in the mid nineties as well,
and I think that format was trying to find its
own identity and like what is alternative? And women were
coming more and more to the fold in the music industry,
even though there was still pushback on having more than
one on a certain record label. But I think with
alanis what she did so brilliantly was she took her
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pop star past and knowing how to write really catchy
songs with this new maturing, in your face, honest, raw
confessional songwriting, and she combined them into this just dynamic
songwriting that talked about very universal themes of growing up
in your.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Twenties joining us.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
She is the author of thirty Years of Jagged a
Little Pill on Alanis Morrissett's career. I can't believe it's
going back that far. Selena Fergasi with us, always curious
about writing a book like this, the undertaking of it
as a project. What motivated you to do it, Selena,
how it all came together, and really how you wanted
to navigate these waters and telling this story.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
There are so much there.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think for me, my journey with Alana started, like
I talk about in the intro, when I was thirteen
and my uncle actually first played the album and I
didn't quite understand it when I was that young of
an age, but I grew into knowing what she was
talking about, and then it really meant something to me.
So it's an album that's really stuck with me. And
to write this book, what I wanted to do was
explore all the very nuanced ways that this album came together,
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taking into consideration her past in the industry, how she
was almost tagged as it has been because her pop
career didn't go off, and then how she came to
write this album with her collaborator Glenn Ballard, and all
the various struggles she went through even trying to get
attention and get the album signed. It really is an
underdog story that's incredible to just be able to write
about and have people read about.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And you can find it on Amazon or at your
faite favorite bookstore as well. Little thirty years of Jagged
Little Pill and the author joining us now, Selena Fergassi.
I remember her music crossed over into pop culture in
an iconic moment on Sports Center. My backgrounds in sports,
and Kenny Mayne famously was very quick with a quip
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and clever and he quoted her song ironic whenever there
was a home run or something and said, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Coincidence, not irony.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, is there that level of breakdown of these songs
in your book about you know, rain on your wedding Day?
Is that coincidence or irony? What say you?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, I did a real deep dive into all the
meanings and the background of all of these songs, and yeah, ironic,
it's completely true. She didn't totally get the meaning right
in her song very much. Is Quinn not irony? But
the power of that song and how pervasive it was
is that she literally changed our perception of the meaning
of that word, and there had to be like a
subtax and the dictionary for it. So yeah, it's just
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incredible the impact the alpad. But do I dig into
all the songs and there's some you Know, beyond You
Out to Know, which was really just the canon out
of the gun. There's so many songs on this album
that are also just so deserving of attention and bring
so many different emotions to the fold.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, and for me, I was not really the target
audience for this, But like you mentioned, you heard this
song for the first time with your uncle playing the album.
I had the album too, because I just thought it
was really good music. And some of these that became
hit signals other than You Ought to Know all I
Really Want One Hand in My Pocket, you learn Head
over Feet ironic. I say, these titles and the lyrics
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come back to me like instantaneously, And you mentioned You
Ought to Know was the big breakthrough hit, but then
all these other ones kind of came in waves after that.
Was there one of those songs that stood out to
you in terms of its storytelling or how personal it
was for Alanis that really jumped off the page for you.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, you know, I think, like most people, before I
started writing this book, my favorite song on the album
was You Ought to Know, just for the visceral emotion
behind it. But as I was writing this book and
I played the album one hundred plus times last summer
when I was doing all this research, the song right
through You stuck with me even more. And I'll tell
you why that song really is. I think her most
passionate on the album. It is her very much talking
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to the record label executives, the men in the industry
who did not want to give her the time of
day or wanted to change her. For me, it's the
most personal and most passionate and like one of the
best sounding with the rock riff on that song.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now again joining us Selena Fiossi, she's the author Alanti's
Thirty Years of Jagged Little Pill. It's out right now,
just dropped as a matter of fact on June tenth, yesterday,
available on Amazon. But the interviews that you put together
in telling this story and weaving this tapestry about alanis
obviously Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swift. These are two big
names in music, and you were able to get a
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couple of quotes from them. Taylor, of course, is famous
for rating breakup songs that you don't want to end
up in if you're a guy that's dated her. But
there's always been this legend you talk about that word
canon about Detroit native Dave Coolier full House. A lot
of people remember him from that, but he also had
a show I believe it was out of Control on
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Nickelodeon in which the cross paths somewhat with Alanis Morissett.
There was a rumored romance there and that you ought
to know was in fact about him. Were you able
to confirm that or is that just one of those
things that got out of hand as a rumor.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, I wish I could tell you I was able to,
But Alana's just someone who never really kissed and told
she's never to the stay divulged who it was. I
talked to her early manager, Scott Welch, who was with
her in that time. He said she did, in fact
tell him it was about one person, but until she
divolges it, he's not going to either. But I will
say the timeline of events, like you mentioned, you kind
of match up to be about.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Dave there was a similar kind of legend about Carly
Simon in You're So Vain and who was that about?
And I think she ended up telling that it was
about two different people, David Geffen, interestingly enough, about taking
a private jet to see a total eclipse of the sun,
and Warren Batty, for whom it was rumored many years
that she was writing about him. But I guess the
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mystery shall remain on this song as long as Alanas
plans on that being the case. But that was the
other thing that was going to ask you about, Selena
is why this music broke through, why it appealed to
a generation of young women, in particular about you know,
kind of helping them tell their own stories, was that
it was painful. I would think in a lot of
ways for Alanis to write these songs, they were angstritten,
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but they were based on her personal experiences, based on
the interviews that you conducted, the people that you talked to.
Did this album take a lot out of Alanis? I mean,
like the creation of it, pouring of her soul into it,
the manufacturing of the arts surrounding it. What effect did
this album have, not just in the fame and the
glitz and the glamour on Alanis, but just in the
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creative process itself, yeah, it was huge.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
She went on what she calls one hundred blind dates
of different songwriters to try to find the best match
to get what she wanted out on the page, and
she finally found it with Flen Ballard. But the thing
about it is she wrote these songs so quickly. They
did a song almost every day, and so they came quickly.
But once the album started snowballing, it really took a
personal toll on her and she was exhausted. She went
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on a nearly two year tour, almost three hundred shows
twenty eight countries. Fans were clamoring for her, thinking that
she was sort of their personal therapist, and it was
a lot for her, and she actually had to take
a year long break and go to India, which is
how we then got the song thank You.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Alanis Moore set and the story being told as it
has never been told before in thirty years of Jagged
a Little Pill by Selena Fergasi, our guest here on
Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Selena.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
As people order this book, what can they expect? How
does this different maybe from other music biographies? Maybe that
you've read or what you planned to do with it
to make it stand out, to make it unique.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, I think the fact that it's focused on one
singular album. I do talk a bit about what Alanis
did thereafter, but it's really a deep dive into the
making of this one album, and I wanted to get
more perspective than my own in it. I did a
ton of research for this book, but I also chatted
with her early manager, the publicist for this album, and
three additional music journalists, all of whom are women, because
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back in the day, mostly men wrote about Alantis and
those perspectives could be skewed at times, so I wanted
to really bring in a lot of those other voices
that weren't a part of the mix back when this
album wasn't its heyday.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Final question, Selena, I always appreciate your time and definitely
admire the work that you created here and people can
find it on Amazon at their favorite bookstore. And that
is when I ask people about writing a biography on
a subject, especially one that is still living. Whether or
not it being authorized or authorized is important, whether having
access to the subject is important, or whether you want
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to keep a distance from your subject in telling an
objective story.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What was your approach to that.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Did you want Alanis's input or approval on it, or
did you go the other way on that and say,
I'm going to tell this story. We're going to be
honest and objective about it and let the chips fall
where they may.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That's a great question. I did not work with Alanis
on this book, but I wanted to get people in
her world who could be those third parties to tell
me what was going on at the time, how it
was working with Alanis, how they wanted to market her,
and so I think what you get is a very
nuanced story here, and I wanted to also reflect very
authentic comments and sought from Milanis herself, and so I
have a lot of interviews that I went through and
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pulled some of those thoughts of her own, so that
there is that authenticity too, and you get her own
perspective as well. In the next of the book.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well for gen xers and millennials, Alanis Morrissett was it
for a period of time in the mid nineties, and
this was a landmark album worthy of the book that
Selena Fergossi has written. Alanis thirty years of Jagged Little
Pill again. Find it on Amazon or at your favorite bookstore. Selena,
thank you so much for your time, for telling this
story and for joining us here today.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Bryan.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay, that conversation earlier today.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
And Kelly caucheris I do the math and I mean
to out you, but you're not exactly secretive about your age. No,
you were twenty three when Jagged Little Pill came out
in nineteen ninety five. Were you too old for the album?
Was that only for high school girls? In college girls?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean it.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Wasn't really the music that I listened to back then, right,
But it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate her talent.
And you know that album, like you said, was iconic
for the time.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You have to go to one show at Red Rocks.
Elenis Morrissett or Jewel who is the same.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Age as Morris? Okay, I really don't groove on the Jewel.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You are a Californian, though, and I have to imagine
the death of Brian Wilson hits especially.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Hard, it does it? Does you know?
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I grew up listening to the Beach Boys. Obviously it
was part of the culture. Yes, in La and but
like you said, Brian was always very tormented and it
was unfortunate. And Shannon even shared with me a story
I didn't even know about, but apparently Dan Ackroyd and
(15:44):
Belushi used to get him out of bed and throw
him in the ocean or something.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Ryan in bed, just like like Brian Wilson did Crazy
Brett Bear Naked Ladies. He was infamous for doing that.
And there is a bio pick out with John Cusack
starring as Brian Wilson. We'll talk about that in a little
bit too. Representative Brandy Bradley up next, telling us why
she supports home rule in Douglas County. We take her
away from water World, but just for a moment. You know,
(16:16):
we're living in an ever changing world and our lives
are going so fast. You want to do business with
people you can trust, people you believe in, people who
you can invest in, who are willing to take the
time to invest in you. And that describes my friend
Ashley Key and her real estate service. I get asked
about it all the time in text to my program.
(16:37):
Is Ashley Key? Is she the conservative one that came
on your show and the answer is yes. She does
not shy away from her values, and she shares those
values with you, and she's looking for more customers exactly
like you in this listening audience, people who will give
one hundred percent of all they have one hundred percent
of the time. That includes Ashley Key. Now she is
(16:58):
affiliated with Live Southby's International Realty and she delivers hands
on service that you just don't find everywhere, and in fact,
it's becoming very rare. She limits the number of clients
she takes so she can give one hundred percent to
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tremendous photography. You can catch this on her website, Keyfrontrange
(17:18):
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for that kind of treatment like you matter and you
are a priority, Ashley is going to dedicate that time
and commit that trust to you. And if she can't
handle what you need on her own, she will refer
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you to someone she knows who can and will deliver
the way that she does one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Ashley Key.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's Keyfrontrange Homes dot Com. Full service real estate elevated.
Sherry's neighbor on her street has two signs in her
line black lives Matter and know on home rule, she
might as well have an in this house we sign,
And that automatically makes me go, you know what, Maybe
home ruled is a good idea, but you're saying it's
(18:05):
not what it's cracked up to be right, It is.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Not what we are being told it is by the
county commissioners. And as an example, there was an immigration
law that just passed the legislature that Governor Polus signed
two weeks ago. And you know what they specifically call
out in this bill. I think it's twenty five, two
seventy six. This bill applies to home rule counties and
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home rule municipalities. So the state legislature is sending us
a message that, by gosh, you Douglas County are going
to follow our state laws. And you just said, what's right?
I wish that we could opt out of these laws
that I believe in others that the legislature has gone
too far. But home rule is not the way to
(18:50):
do that. The way to do that is for the
Republican Party to start appealing to voters who want to
vote for our candidates, and then we have Republicans under
the gold Home who can then fashion laws that are
more in line with our values.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Former doug Co Commissioner Laura Thomas providing the counterpoint last
week on Ryan Schuling Live to George Teel, who is
currently the chair of the Douglas County Board of Commissioners
the vote on home rule, and also joining George in
that effort is our next guest, Representative Brandy Bradley. We
played Sloop John B coming back in tribute to the
(19:27):
departed Brian Wilson.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Who passed away today the Beach Boys.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Because she's taking a break from water World just to
talk to us, Brandy, I feel so special.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Thank you, Ryan, anything for you. I'm still so special.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Now you heard what Laura had to say.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I get the pragmatic kind of practical approach that she
has of Hey, we have to win elections and that's
how we affect change. But we live in the here
and now, and home rule is an issue right before
the voters of Douglas County. Give us your sales pitch
as to why you think it's a good idea and
why Laura is a are something that you disagree with.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Well, I mean, Laura is failing with her Republican party
and she joined a lawsuit with Bob Marshall, a progressive Democrat,
to sue the county and lost that because there weren't
any violations of open meeting laws and is running pretty
much with the Democrat Party. So yeah, somebody's feelings are
a little hurt. And so now she wants to vote
(20:24):
now on home rule. So you know, I guess when
your feelings are hurt, you can't be rational, and so
I think that's just it's a prideful move, and I
think it's disgusting, to tell you the truth. I think
Home World would be great for Douglas County. I think
Home World would be great for the people of Douglas
County to get away from these progressive ideas and policies
(20:45):
that are ruining our state that we are watching it.
Look at what is happening in downtown Denver right now.
We have had Capital Police tell us as legislators to
stay far away from downtown Denver because these policies are
letting free of terrorists terrorize the businesses downtown Denver. I mean,
what a joke.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Representative Brandy Bradley joining US Republican of course from the
thirty ninth district in Douglas County has become kind of
this haven for law and order. When you talk about
Sheriff Darren Weekly, when you talk about District Attorney George Brockler,
and he'll be joining us coming up at the top
of our number two. And Brandy, to the degree that
doug CO is able, you want to insulate yourselves from the.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Madness that we've seen that you.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Have participated in trying to oppose firsthand at the General Assembly.
But I'm getting back to kind of Laura's base premise,
which is how much can home rule really affect life
in Douglas County to provide that insulation against the wacka
doodle far left policies statewide in Colorado, Or how much
(21:48):
is doug Co going to be forced to conform to
state law even if home rule is voted in.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Well, there's Colorado Revised Statute thirty thirty five to two
one that give us a lot of protections. It gives
us the tools. Jeff Garcia, the Attorney, went through a
lot of the tools that will provide us under Home rule.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Does it provide us everything?
Speaker 5 (22:08):
No, there's not a magic wand, right, but it gives
us some safety net. So if the state does decide
to come after Douglas County, we can go to the
court with another tool in the toolbox. No, it's not
a magic wand. Ryan, I'm not going to sit here
and tell the voters this is a magic wand. It's
going to keep us away from these horrific ideas. But
it does hold up in court a lot better than
(22:29):
not having home rules represented.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Brandy Bradley our guest. We'll get her back to water
World in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But this ballot initiative going to be decided upon by
Doug Co voters.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
When is the date for this ballot?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I believe it's June twenty fourth, Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So that's coming up in just a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
It's important that people are aware of this, and I
guess my hope is kind of counterbalanced by a fear
that this time of year. I mean, Brandy, you're doing
it right now. People are on summer vacation. They're not
thinking about an election. It's not front of my mind,
Yd awareness that sort of thing. So how do you
think that will affect one turnout for the vote and
two how the vote might turn out.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Well, they've already hosted about twenty different meetings. The people
that are running are running voluntarily. They're not being paid.
You know, I'm trying to get out the mistruth. This
is not a power grab by these three commissioners. Kevin
beIN Winkle's given eight years of his life in the
state House. You know what that means for those of
us that put aside our families, put aside all kinds
of different things to run for office. He is a
(23:30):
great patriot, a great man, doing this voluntarily. Max Brooks
that I just finished up the session with is also
on the slates, so as Darren Weekly, our sheriff. These
people are not being paid to do this. They want
what's best for our county. We want public safety, We
want affordable housing for the people of Douglas County. You
saw the bill that I tried to pass to prevent
child rape. We want Douglas County to be a safe
(23:51):
haven for our constituents. This isn't a power grab. These
are true patriots that want what's best for the residents
of Douglas County. So We're getting the word out. We've
already hosted twenty meetings for the constituents in Douglas County.
We're going to keep hosting more, and I'm going to
shout it from the rooftops, just like everyone's running for
this light. We will get the word out. And anytime
Liberal progresses are putting vote no on Home RLD next
(24:12):
to a Black Lives Matter, you better believe that the
people of Douglas County are awake and are going to
vote yes on home rule and we are going to
protect the citizens of Douglas County.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And if you live in Douglas County and are fortunate
enough to be represented by Brandy Bradley or to be
protected by Sheriff weekly or District Attorney George Brockler, that vote,
as she mentioned, is coming up Tuesday, June twenty fourth.
Just one other topic I'd like you to appine on, Brandy,
and that's because it's in the news right now, and
it might be coming to a city near you, hopefully
not Castle Rock or Douglas County. But we see the
(24:43):
riots in Los Angeles, we see the Democratic leaders telling
us not to believe our lying eyes.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
But then we see the polling in reaction to it.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
This is Harry Enton from CNN on polling up immigrants
in how they view illegal immigrants and policies that regard them.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Start off on the fact that immigrant citizens, immigrant voters,
foreign born voters have gone tremendously to the right on
this issue in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five
versus where they were on twenty twenty. Closest to her
trust warn immigration. You go back to twenty twenty, Democrats
get this, held a thirty two point lead on this issue.
Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump forward to
(25:19):
twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. Look at that shift,
a forty point shift to the right among immigrant voters.
Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over Democrats,
more so than any.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Other group that I could find.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
The group of voters who became more hawkish on immigration
were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants who are registered to
vote in this country.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
We've seen some faint echoes of the demonstrations protests in
La here as you mentioned Brandy in Denver.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
They're rumored to be an Aurora, Colorado springs.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But we've also had two landmark incidents involving illegal aliens
who were criminals, and that is the fifteen year old
illegal alien in a Rapahoe County who killed Caitlin Weaver,
a twenty four year old in a wantonly, absolutely reckless
act of vehicular homicide in a car that he stole
(26:12):
from his mom that he wasn't licensed to drive and
he wasn't legal to be here, and he was given
probation by Amy Padden in the eighteenth District, but then
Ice came scooped him up and also apprehended his family.
Same holds true for the Boulder terror attacker who was
in the country illegally somehow got a Colorado driver's license
with driving Uber eats throws fire bombs as an eighty
(26:33):
eight year old Holocaust survivor, and he is being marked
for deportation along with his family. Colorado is ground zero
for so many of these issues pertaining to Ice Brandy.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Where do you see this issue going from here?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I think that Republicans Arians continue to pick up voters.
They support mass deportation the Democrat voters do, and they
also support getting boys on a girls sports and getting
boys out of women's safe spaces and they are at
an all time low. Their party is and these their
Democrat leaders are not paying attention to what the Democrat
voters want, and we will willingly take them. And I
(27:08):
think that's why Trump won by a landslide. And we're
going to continue to see grassroots conservatives win and we
will take the state back.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Mark my words, take that to the bank and cash
and taking her break on her own version of the sloop.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
John B. From Waterworld.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Representative Brandy Bradley, doing great work, well deserved leisure time. Brandy,
thank you so much for spending some time with us.
Please go back to having some fun and post some
pictures on Facebook if you.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Would please anytime. Ryan, I'll be on anytime. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
All right, Representative Brandy Bradley your response and reaction five seven,
seven three nine. Also throughout today's program, my musical tribute
to Brian Wilson, passing away today at the age of
eighty two, the founder and chief songwriter of the Beach Boys.
So many iconic tunes that mark the tale of summer
in the United States of America in California and that
(27:58):
new wave of rock that came through a nineteen in
the nineteen sixties. Your favorite Beach Boys song, Pass them along.
I'm sure I'm going to play it at some point today,
whether it's on this show or Dan's. We'll get Kelly's
favorite Beach Boys song. We come back as well. Ryan
Schuling Live continues after this. So many songs in the
(28:18):
Beach Boys catalog, and we're here to celebrate them all today,
remembering Brian Wilson, his family announcing his passing earlier today
at the age of eighty two. Of course, really the
brains and the bron behind the Beach Boys and their
songwriting and the smash Hits success they enjoyed for a
period of decades, and we'll cover that time span throughout
(28:39):
today's program and also the Dan Campellis show coming up
later today. Well, if you wish they all could be
California girls, we do have one right here in the
control room writing Shotgun today as we are in the
basement studio, the control room, on my own board, Kellykacerra,
a California girl born and raised.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes, just as soccinctly.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
As you can put a fine point on it, Kelly,
what did the Beach Boys mean to life growing up
in California?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
It was everything, because you know, whenever you go to
the beach, you listen to the beach Boys. Going to
the beach. When you come back from the beach, you
listen to the beach Boys. My family used to scheme
Mammoth every year, and we used to take the cassette
of pet Sounds. That was one of the albums we
used to listen to, Oh Yeah driving up to Mammoth
(29:32):
and so yeah, it's it's a very bittersweet day. But
all in all, I mean, somebody like you being from
Michigan and not immersed in the culture of California, it
just the beach boys just emanated the exact California dream
and that la vibe and everything like that. And so,
(29:56):
you know, especially if you grew up surfing like I
used to to surf, so you know, you always had
surf in USA and surf in Safari and it just,
you know, the whole culture fit.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
This from the official Facebook page of Brian Wilson. From
his family quote, we are heartbroken to announce that our
beloved father, Brian Wilson, has passed away. We are at
a loss for words right now. Please respect our privacy
at this time, as our family is grieving, we realize
that we are sharing our grief with the world love
and mercy. And it shows a nice photo of him
(30:30):
and his older years on a park bench, and you know,
he's a little bit older than my dad. But I
have this connection through my dad of following that music
from that time and him living through it. And again
the rivalry between the Beach Boys in America and the
Beatles in Britain. And I think there are some interviews
of Paul McCartney and John Lennon when they heard Pet
(30:51):
Sounds in nineteen sixty six, and if you'll recall, Sergeant
Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band was released in sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So there was a lot that was borrowed.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Stolen, implied, taken from one from the other, at least
the Beatles in appreciation for Brian Wilson, and he truly
was the definition of an eccentric genius. He suffered from
a mental breakdown. Fame can do that to a person
I can only imagine, and he came back triumphantly in
writing the songs in the the production value of Pet
(31:24):
Sounds and then going on tour with his two brothers
who would precede him in death Dennis, And there's so
many stories about the Beach Boys through the years, the sixties,
the seventies into the eighties. The song Kokomo came out
of nowhere as a top charting hit. Cocktail movie was Cocktail,
Tom Cruise starring in that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
We'll have that one coming out. The girl Elizabeth sho.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I still get chills just thinking about her. She was
a dream, she is a dream. She looks phenomenal now.
And I you know, like I told you, I rationalized
that this is from like the Karate Kid. When I
was ten that movie came out and she played alle
I was smitten. I'm like, wow, well, I don't know
what to do with girls, but whatever I do, I
would want to do with her. And if she married me.
And I know I'm younger, but let me make a play,
(32:08):
let me shoot my shot.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
She wouldn't have to change her name that much.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
It just go from Elizabeth's shoe to Elizabeth's shoeling. Yes,
there you go, real nice and easy.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Did you see Adventures in Babysitting Show?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You bet I did? And I was the kid.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I didn't play the kid, but I related to the
kid who had a big crush on her, huh, yeah,
that was me. He was like thirteen and that would
have been me. Gina sends us love from the state
of Missouri, says Hi, Ryan, being an Orange County girl,
here we go and being of a certain age, I
grew up with all the songs, but now I would say,
God only knows.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And good Vibrations.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Also of note, he was the last surviving brother, indeed
brother in the band that is Yes. So we started
the show with Good Vibrations. That just seemed like the
right choice, and I made it and you're welcome. And
if you missed it, I'm sorry, but I can't put
it on the podcast. I heart prohibits me from doing that,
so my apologies for that. However, God only knows. Just
a little sneak peek that'll be coming up during the
(33:02):
Dan Camplis show. I've got a whole itinerary set list,
if you will, of Beach Boys songs that we're going
to play on today's program sending me your memories, your
favorite songs and the Beach Boys like this one from Patty,
huge Beach Boys fan, When I need to chill, music
from the sixties does it for me. Good Vibrations is
outstanding and holds up all these decades later.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It certainly does.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Steven Littleton, retired law enforcement officer, always appreciate him his
service and him listening. I grew up listening to the
Beach Boys. The loss of one more of them is
a reminder of our own mortality. Indeed, it is Steve.
And then this was a little bit harsher and a
very sharp edge. Ryan, I forgot how lousy Alanis' music was.
You should be covering Brian Wilson right now, a true
(33:45):
musical genius. Well, pump the breaks, pal. First of all,
I started, you might have joined in progress.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I sit here and do the show every day for
two hours, but people are tuning in and tuning out.
I get that.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But rest assured Kelly will attest.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
To this opened with Brian Wilson and good vibrations and
talking about it. It just so happens that today I
interviewed the author of the thirtieth anniversary biography of Jagged
Little Pill, which came out in nineteen ninety five. So
a very musical theme today. Hope you're enjoying it. I know,
Kelly is an hour number two straight ahead. I renigged
on my invitation yesterday. I felt so bad. George Brockler
(34:21):
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