Sen. Mark Baisley (R-23) joins Ryan live in-studio for his first interview on the program, detailing his plans for the state as one of the major Republican candidates for governor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This afternoon, form Debisa walked into this courthouse behind me,
shackled and in an Orange Wells County jumpsuit, facing new charges.
But you might recall, just a matter of weeks ago,
he was released on charges of attempted murder charges which
he was found incompetent to stand trial. For now, his
case has made local and national headlines, something both his
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attorney and the Attorney General's office appear to have taken
note of. Monday, FIM Debisa was before a judge for
a bond hearing on his latest arrest last week, when
he was allegedly trespassing on the UNC campus with a firearm.
You may recall, Debisa was released from jail and his
attempted murder charge earlier this month against the wishes of
the local prosecutor and the sheriff, after falling through a
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crack in the state law which says those found incompetent
to stand trial and also unable to receive civil commitment
to mental health care must be released. Since our reporting started,
there has been a concern from the sheriff, district attorney,
and many in the community that Dabisa is viewed as
a threat to the community. His background includes accusations of
attempted murder, armed robbery, and even a high speed chase,
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but state law allowed him to be free. In an
exclusive interview with CBS News Colorado from his jail cellm
he told us he was innocent and being framed for
political reasons. Well Monday afternoon, his attorney asked the judge
to suppress information in the case due to the national
attention it has grabbed. And then suddenly an attorney from
the Colorado Attorney General's Office unexpectedly asked to speak to
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the judge. In an otherwise uncommon move, the AG's office
asked to get involved, requesting the courts to release competency
evaluations of the past and future so they can evaluate
what options are best for Dabisa moving forward. And it
seems as if the judge wasn't expecting this move, asking
that Attorney's General's Office representative to spell her name and
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even provide her AG I should say her attorney number
as well. We reached out to the AG's office asking
why they're trying to get involved in the case now,
and they wrote us back and said, quote no comment,
end quote. Bond was kept at one million dollars today
and they will be reconvening late next month for another hearing.
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Reporting live in Weld County, Dylan Thomas covering Colorado, First.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
CBS for Colorado from a couple of months ago the
AG's office. They didn't name him. It's Phil Wiser choosing
to get involved in this case. It has become a
national embarrassment here in Colorado. A friend Abisa, the sheriff
that is mentioned in this Wild County. Of course, Steve
Reams He'll be filling in for Dan Caples later today
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and in an exclusive one of the victims of a
framed Abisa for which he was charged I believe it
was second degree murder, will be joining Sheriff Rheames on
the Dan Caplis show, so you'll want to stay tuned
for that. My question out of the gate here is
if a framed Abisa was incompetent to stand trial, how
and why did he have the cognitive capacity to say
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he was being framed for political reasons? And if he
had that level of intuition to process that information and say, hey,
I'm being targeted here, how then is he incompetent to
stay on trial? This is a mess, and it's all
because of House Built twenty four ten thirty four that
passed through the General Assembly and was signed into law
by Governor Jared Polis.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's just one name.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
We mentioned a previous named Joel Lang in our conversation
with Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. There's also Solomon Gallagan who attempted
to kidnap an elementary school student from a playground during
recess in broad daylight. Here's George Brockler commenting on that case.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, it's a super troubling one. And keep in mind
that before this person went to try go kidnap this
young boy was already a registered sex offender. Now that
can only happen if you've been convicted of a prior
sex offense. Well, so, somehow this person navigated the legal
waters in order to become a registered sex defender, but
now is incompetent to stand trial. There was a change
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in the laws RECs. I think it was twenty twenty four.
And remember this is the Dems in charge who books
this thing through and they change the law significantly so
that I'll give you an example on all second class
misdemeanors and below, and that includes some pretty serious misdemeanors,
some domestic violence, some lower level child abuse, that all
this other stuff. If you get a report back from
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the state hospital it says that this person is incompetent,
the DA must immediately dismiss the case against that person
and just send them right back out into the community.
It's in the felony like this. You have a longer
period of time to challenge this, but at the end
of the day, the idea is that you're going to
end up having to dismiss cases against people who are
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called incompetent and unlikely to be restorable in the foreseeable future.
None of those terms except restorable are defined. So what's
the foreseeable future. Nobody knows. It's just whatever. And so
you have a growing number of these defensive can see this.
This is the out, This is the way you pursue.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The twenty third District Attorney George Brockler commenting on this
and joining us now Senator Mark Baisley. This passed through
the Senate unanimously, with both votes by Senator Barb Kirkmeyer,
also a candidate for governor, and the aforementioned Senator Baisley,
who joins us live in studio on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Senator Baisley, thank you so much for your time. Thank
you for having me Ryan.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
This has gone so horribly wrong. I spoke with Senator
Kirkmeyer about what the intent was of this bill you
signed on to it. In retrospect, how do you evaluate
what was happening at that time when this bill was
being debated and what the practical effect has been for
Colorado and Colorado's.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, you know, and when I started hearing about the
effects of releasing folks back into especially with Gallaghan, who
you know, attempted to kidnap a child right off of
the playground and then he gets released based on this law,
I thought, who in the who in the world would
a voter on that law? So I went and looked
it up and go I voted on that law. I
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voted positively on that law. So of course I then
poured over the thirty pages worth of that to see
what was in that law. Why would I have made
that decision? And I need to sit with in particular
George Brocker, who's a good friend, and say, help me
to understand your thinking in this on how this law
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gets someone to being released. Because this was eighteen months
ago or twenty months ago or so. So I had
to go back and research because we go through seven
hundred bills every year. But this house built twenty four
ten thirty four very specifically says the guidance excludes release
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if the defendant is charged with a class one or
two or three felony offense, a sex offense, or a
clime crime of violence as defined and so on, or
a level or level two drug felony. I cannot imagine
how anyone would reason their way to saying that Gallaghan,
and probably these other two events that you're talking about,
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other two incidences that that would qualify for release due
to incompetence. Now I get the incompetence. If someone is incompetent,
they cannot defend themselves, cannot understand understand charges and so on. Okay,
And that's probably where my thinking was at the time, saying, yeah,
let's make sure that someone is not standing trial for
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someone that something that they are not competent to understand
the charges. But that doesn't mean we release them back
into the community where the community is a threat. So
that was my thinking, and that's even my understanding of
the law right now. I think it's more it is
it is people, judges and so on that are more
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prone to release people back into the community that are
a threat to the community. And I don't know why
they think that way, but they do, And so I
think this is more bad judge work than it is
the law. It's so I have thought of how would
I introduce a new law to make clarification so that
we could fix this, And I'm not really sure how
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that would happen because when I read this, it says
you don't release someone back onto the public if they
are a threat. If it were they're arrested for or
accused of these felony offenses that include sex, that include violence,
or drug felonies. So I'm gonna have to stare at
this real hard to figure out how do we clarify
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that so that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Again, appreciate his insight on this, having voted on the bill.
Mark Baisley our guest senator in the fourth district. You
can find out more about his campaign for governor at
Mark Baisley dot com. Last name is spelled Beei s l
e Y. First name is Mark with a K. He
will be participating in the candidate forum that will be
moderated by both Mandy Connell of KAA and Yours truly
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coming up on Saturday or January tenth, one thirty to
three thirty pm at the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley
at Lincoln Park. It is free and open to the public,
but tickets are going fast, so be sure to check
that out in attend if you can. Other candidates who
will be participating include Senator Barb Kirkmeyer, Representative Scott Bottom's
Sheriff Jason mike Sel, as well as former Congressman Greg Lopez.
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So it should be a very interesting day and Senator
appreciate your participation in that as part of that forum, though,
I'm just kind of playing this out. When I spoke
with Representative Bottoms, he was a no on this from
the very beginning, from the get go, from Jump Street.
He maintained that vote throughout. He was one of twelve
Republicans in the House to vote no on House Built
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twenty four Dash ten thirty four. You've already conceded that
in retrospect it was a mistake. You wanted to look
under the hood, you wanted to get this right. But
how would you confront Representative Bottoms when he can say, look,
I was right on this from the beginning, Senator Kirkmeyer,
Senator Baseley, they got it wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, and sometimes we do get it wrong, and in retrospect, yeah,
I would change my vote to an know on that
for the reason that it has been used to release
people back on to the people and criminals back on
to the people. So I don't want that to happen,
and this is being used as an excuse to do that.
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So I think that they're bending the the wording in
this because wording is important these you know, what, what
what is in the law itself is what the law.
What it says is what it means. But sometimes, as
we all know, people interpret things differently. I mean, we
have a big national debate going on about the fourteenth
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Amendment right about about here here. This amendment to the
US Constitution was to address a slavery issue and to
determine that, hey, folks who are here slaves are are citizens.
So now of course that's being used for folks who
are born of illegal immigrants are also citizens. So this
is interpretations that are biased, that are that have an
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agenda behind it, And that's what I think is happening here,
So I'm certainly ready to conceee that, Hey, I did
not have the foresight that Scott Bottoms did, and I
respect Scott deeply on that, so I think he saw
this coming in spite of what the words actually say.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Senator Mark Baisley, our guest. So the heat I'm getting
from listeners constituents that would potentially be voting for you,
Senator Baisley, is, Look, the Democrats are already ruining our
state with idiotic bills like this one. They don't need
our help as Republicans, And why your default position wouldn't
have just been a firm know until convinced otherwise rather
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than going along with this. And the left brain part
of me goes, Okay, I'm trying to kind of give
benefit of the doubt status here. Maybe there was something
going on behind the scenes, this was part of a
broader negotiation, But I don't see the upside. I don't
see that the Republicans got anything, or that we were
able to advance any agenda. That you and bar basically
just kind of went along with this and got nothing
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in return.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Is that a fair analysis or no? You know what,
I don't I don't think about it. As a tug
and pull like that, What were we going to get
out of this if we vote for at right? I
just try to vote on principle and when there's a
because I'll be the only no vote, you know, multiple times,
and it's not I don't turn around to look behind
me to see who else is voting. I'm I'm the
front row. I just I vote on is because your
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last name begins with the be. No. I don't know
why I'm sitting in the front row, but that's not
But you know, to my right, the one guy who
I could never quite beat on the liberty score was
Kevin van Winkle as State Senator. Kevin van Winkle at
the time was now a commissioner in Douglas County. He
voted yes on that bill too, And so all of us,
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even those that are that are very hard right, we
were we were thinking at the time. And to be honest,
as I said before, I don't recall thinking through this
bill in particular, because there's just so many that I
don't recall specifically walking through the logic of that. But
trying to rebuild reason in my own mind after having
read through the thirty pages of it is how do
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we deal with someone who truly is mentally ill when
they're charged with a crime, then I think we need
to deal with them with their mental illness isolated from
the public. When it's something dangerous then but maybe not
that standing for that crime, but standing for let's fix
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this person, or let's keep them isolated from the public.
I'm you know, that's that's what I'm thinking. That wasn't
a Hey, what do I get out of this from
the Democrats if I vote for it? I just I
just don't think that way.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Senator Mark Baisley, our guest candidate for governor, one of
five that will be participating in the aforementioned forum in
discussing this issue with Sheriff Steve Reams, and he deals
with this on a real practical level in Weld County,
and it was under his watch that this entire incident happened.
With a frame to visa that we let off the
segment with what seems to be the problem here, and
Senator kirk Meyer knowledgists we just don't have the bedspace
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and mental health facilities to accommodate these individuals, and they
can only stay incarcerated or in custody for so long
before they're having to be churned out because they run
out of beds and it's just a time game at
that point. And then that's how a Solomon Gallaghan gets
back out in the public when even his mother and
his sister said he has no business being in society,
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just can't function. So my question to you, Senator would be,
is it time to reopen asylums those sorts of things.
Increase funding for mental health facilities in this state so
we have the capacity to accommodate these individuals. Because you're right,
from a human, humane, compassionate standpoint, if these people are
truly mentally disturbed in that way, they need to be
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removed from society. They need treatment, but there's just nowhere
to put them.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, oh, we need to find the place to put them.
I remember walking down to Denver, and obviously in downtown
Denver a lot and there's a guy running towards me,
screaming his head off and bleeding and bleeding out the
neck and it was just like, you know, very disturbing,
and he just collapses at my feet and he starts
beating himself in the head, slugging himself in the head,
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and then pounding his head on the pavement. I'm calling
nine one one and trying to get him some help,
and then he just as he's very bloodied, he just
stands up and then just walks across the street like
nothing happened. There's we cannot just function as a civilization
with folks that are dealing with these kind of storms
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going on in their mind all amongst us and not
treat them. We leave them homeless, We leave them sitting
out on the cold, begging for the next meal, and
so on. We need to have we need to have facilities.
And I don't know if we call them asylums or whatever,
but I'll tell you in my district, my state Senate district,
which is eight counties that includes Fremont County, and that's
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the industry for Fremont. You know, we have ski counties
and we have agriculture counties. Fremont is the prison county.
That's what they do. The super max prison is there,
the territorial prison is there, and so on. I look
at that and I think we need to do something
similar and maybe place it right there. But since that's
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the industry of the of the neighborhood, that's what that
community does. And we accommodate these folks and we get
them on their medications or get them off whatever drugs
that they have been on and so on, and let's
address this head on, because yeah, since the seventies when
they like shut down I think it was, and they
shut downsylanums and so on, thinking that this was cruel,
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it has not been fixed ever since then, and we've
all been suffering for it, and a lot of people
have been suffering in a really big way for it,
not just the people who are dealing with the mental struggles,
but the victims of those people who are willing to
who don't have the the the filters that keep them
from lashing out of people for no good reason.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Many people, many people cite the shutting down of those
facilities to the pop culture influence of One Flew Over
the Cuckoo's Nest and what that exposed about the abuse
that would take place in those facilities. Senator Mark Baisley,
our guest, Just a couple of minutes left in this segment, Mark,
But a lot of people might be hearing from you
for the first time at least on this program, and
they want to get an idea of kind of where
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you are. And I know this is a broad question,
but of the major candidates that I mentioned, Sheriff Mike Sel,
Senator Kirkmeyer, Representative Bottom's former Congressman Greg Lopez, Victor Marx
who will not be attending this event that I'm talking about,
where in the political spectrum would you say you are
in relation to those other candidates? Would you say the
right of them or you in the middle? How would
you define that?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Interesting, I am. I am very much on the right
side of things. My liberty score, I have the highest
liberty score in the state Senate. I'm a bee, a
solid B there. But you know, I've been awarded the
Liberty Defender by the Liberty Scorecard people, the Senate Guard,
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an award by the Union of Colorado Union of Taxpayers,
and I have a ninety seven percent lifetime rating from SEAPAC.
So yeah, I've been given thirty awards for recognizing my
conservative ideals. And so yeah, I'm on the right. But
where I really try to match it is the founding
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principles of the nation. That's important. I study them a lot,
and I try to align myself with what's in the
Declaration of Independence, which I just haven't memorized awesome.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Senator Mark Baisley our guest. He is the Senator from
the fourth district in the State Senate the General Assembly,
and he is one of the more prominent candidates for
governor who will be participating in the forum coming up
on January tenth that would be co moderated by Mandy
Connell of KOA and yours truly, Ryan Schuling. Well, much
more with the Senator, including your questions if you have
them at five seven seven three nine via the text
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line more with Senator Mark Baisley after this on Ryan
Schuling Live. Back here on Ryan Schuling Live, joined in
studio by Senator Mark Baisley, candidate for governor on the
Republican side for twenty twenty six and he'll be participating
in a forum moderated by my colleague at KOA, Mandy
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Connell and yours truly And if you want to attend this,
I think there are still tickets. Is that the Double
Tree by Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park. It's Saturday, January
tenth from one thirty to three thirty pm and Senator
Mark Baisley will be one of five candidates participating in it.
Along with fellow Senator Barb Kirkmeyer who joined US Representative
Scott Bohams who has been with us this week, a
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former Congressman Greg Lopez who has been on this show
many times, and Sheriff Jason mike Sel who was also
on this program not that long ago. Now, one thing
that Senator Baisley and President Donald Trump have in common
they have both defeated an opponent named Kamala and that
goes back to twenty eighteen in the House of Representatives
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for Senator Basely. So that's a nice little commonality you
might have, Senator Baslely. But I'll ask you this very
basic question is where do you find yourself agreeing the
most with President Trump and his agenda and where might
you part with him on an issue?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
What do you a part? Well, I'll start there. Part Well,
I'm not so I'm not the brash type. I really
wish he wouldn't make comments like he did about Rob
Rob Ryaner go, oh yeah, I get I get you.
He picked on you for our years and now he's
out in your dirt, clad in the back of his
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head as he was off off to his eternity. But
just I wish you wouldn't do that. I love just
about everything that he does. Now he's he's far more
brash than I am, but uh, that's okay. I just
his being the guy that he is, being the tough
guy that he is, blowing up boats that are coming
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in with drug I'm good with that, and I'm good
with that for a couple of reasons. One is, those
drugs are coming here to kill our people. I mean,
to make them dependent and they will die, and they
don't care except that they want them to keep paying
the only loss for them as a customer. But I'm
good with it because it tells the world we're not
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putting up with this kind of garbage that you guys
foised on us. You take advantage. He says this a lot,
and I appreciate it. The world takes advantage of the Americans,
and they do. They do in pharmaceutical pricing and in
drugs and in oil and energy things, all of that,
and he stands up for all that. So I'm I'm
a big fan. I think he's I think he's very
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good for America.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Mark Baisley dot com. You can find out more there.
That's his website for his campaign. That's Mark with a
K B A I S L E Y dot com
got to spell these things out on the radio. Because
we put up a graphic to show it to you.
You could text in your questions at five seven seventy
three nine. This one was also posed for Senator Kirkmeyer
from this Texter like kirk Meyer, I like Baisley, But
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we need someone to run for Senate. Why did he
decide governor instead? And who will the Republicans get to
run against Hickenloopers. So Senator walk us through that decision.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
If you would place. Yeah, if I were doing this
just for my own enjoyment, I would run for US Senate,
just because I think it would be great fun to
go serve at the same level, or at the higher level,
but the same job that I'm doing as a legislator
and in the in the Senate. And I prefer the
serving in the Senate over the House is just a
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little more of my style, I guess, than the all
the raucous fighting in the House, which I miss on occasion.
But so that would that would be cool for me.
I would love to go serve in the in the
US Senate. However, I feel called to serve in the
Governor's office. And that's because having worked with all of
these state agencies, the Office of Innovation Technology or Information
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Technology now and the Office of Economic Development and Natural Resources,
all these departments that I've been working with a lot
in developing relationships and seeing where they're great and seeing where, man,
we need to cut back on their budget. You know,
I have a strong opinion about all that. In fact,
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the suggestion, the strongest suggestion to me that I run
for governor came from the business community because I have
spent most of my time in the legislature focusing on
building the economy, trying to bring jobs into Colorado. So
worked on the chipsack to get semiconductor manufacturing into Colorado,
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then a little more highbrow, the tech hub for quantum computing.
So I worked that real hard, and in fact that
I worked that with Hickenloper and with Michael Bennett back
in DC to get them to help us win it
on the ground back there. And we did win, you know,
beat out all the other states. So now Colorado and
it's not really well known, but we all ought to
know about it because it's something to be proud of
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and it's a big boost for our economy, and that
is that the tech hub for quantum computing is Colorado.
It's the Boulder Broomfield area. Companies have moved their headquarters
to Broomfield to work there, and so it's it's thousands
of high paying jobs for the next generation of computers.
Very amazing thing, high tech stuff and good jobs. And
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also worked on excuse me, and successfully. We also won
the Sun Dance Festival that's coming to colorad Point for
the next ten years. It's awesome. It's like, yes, it's
like having the Super Bowl come to ten for ten years. Okay,
I say all that because that's where it's been my focus,
because you know, if you start with the money, start
with financial health. If people are financially healthy because they
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have the dignity of work, self reliance, they can get
ahead and can take care of others around them, family
and all that, then everything else seems to follow easier.
So that's been my emphasis well. As a really result
of that, business communities, very specifically, people come to me
and say, look, Mark, you talked to us into coming
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to the state. We're happy here, but the business climate
is horrible and getting worse. You need to step up
as a governor and fix that keep us here because
we want to stay here, but keep us here by
having good policy. Veto all the nonsense on how we
have to do our HR and and you know, benefits
we have to have, and all the other many things
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that the that the state legislature keeps throwing at them.
Somebody needs stop start vetoing that stuff and eventually roll
back those those terrible bills. So it's a job that
I feel qualified to do. I look at my fellow
travelers that are also running for this this position, good friends,
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people I like and respect. But I feel like I'm
the best positioned and best informed and and and best
prepared in business management to take on this is the
forty four billion dollar annual operation. None of us has
operated a business at that level, but I think I've
operated a business at a higher level than any of
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my compadres there. I think I can take it on.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Senator Mark Baisley, our guest Republican candidate for governor. As
we head into the holiday, as a reminder that the
candidate forum coming up in Welld County, you want to
thank Sheriff Steve Rereens and Steve Wells for helping to
put it on and send the invites out to the
more prominent major candidates. Mark Baisley defined as one of those.
I'm sure he's glad to hear that. And the Republican
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Governor Candidate Forum will be taking place at DoubleTree by
Hilton and Greeley at Lincoln Park Saturday, January tenth, one
thirty to three thirty pm. If you google that, you
can get tickets for free there going fast. It will
be a full event. Looking forward to com moderating that
myself along with Mandy Connell of KOA. We'll take this
break and during this time out you can text a
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question to Senator Baisley if you have one at five
seven seven three and I've got a few of my
own to close out on this hour after this on
Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Why need things down for this hour?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Senator Mark Baisley one of the major candidates for governor
here in the state of Colorado on the Republican side.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
And in that primary.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
He's been generous enough to spend the whole hour with
us and circling back to the beginning of this hour
and also to a conversation we were just having during
the break, I apologized to our listeners. You weren't able
to hear it, but it prompted a question for me,
Senator Baisley, and that is, you know, we have this
haven for criminals in criminal activity in Colorado, and many
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of us feel that that is intentional, that is deliberate,
whether it's trendy Orragua setting up shop, or the drug
card tells using Colorado as a launching pad. You talk
about the drug boats being bombed into oblivion by President
Trump that you support that. I support that too. That's
a chemical weapons attack in a sense on the state
of Colorado, on the United States of America. These soft
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sense and sing for criminals in this state kind of
putting criminals needs, including sex offenders, ahead of the actual
victims in this state. It's a pattern of the left,
Senator that I know you've been trying to battle against
in the General Assembly. But as governor, what would you
do to kind of not only stem the tide, but
reverse the trend and make it clear that Colorado is
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not a sanctuary state, that Denver is not a sanctuary city,
and certainly not for criminal illegal aliens to that.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
So, the first couple of things is to instruct our
law enforcement and our courts that needed to choose the
side of defending the people. Because our state legislature in
the past couple of years, as you're just pointing out,
they actually put our law enforcement and our court employees
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in the position of having to choose between a federal
law or a state law because they passed state laws
that say you cannot cooperate with ICE for instance, and that,
and then there are federal laws that say you have
to cooperate with ICE if you know, if you see
that there is someone who is criminally in this country,
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then you're obligated to report that. So anyway that they are,
they're prevented from that. So if you have to choose
between one or the other, then I would encourage them
a start choosing to defend the people and cooperate with ICE,
And that would be the second thing is just an
invitation to ICE. I got to meet with home Homan,
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you know. Uh, to Holman, thank you, and thanks to
Daniel Zirinsky. Uh. It's probably about two years ago in
in a meeting in Aurora, and when when the crend
Aragua thing first came up and he came out to
meet with folks, I didn't know who he was at
the time. You know, I've since realized, oh, you know
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who that was, And so I have photos on my
on my phone of him sitting right across the table
from him. He's here trying to to clean out Here
are people that mean us harm, that are trying to
take over the culture even of the country, and he's
here to clean it out. And why our state government
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stands up, why that whole world view stands up and says, no,
we're going to we're going to invite that, We're going
to accommodate that, We're going to let that fester right
here in our neighborhood and make it difficult for our
law enforcement to work with him. So a couple of things,
I've run bills the same bill effectively a little different
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in two years running to lift all those restrictions from
law enforcement so that they can cooperate with federal government
on this. Of course, both times the Democrats killed it.
The first time didn't surprise me. It was going to
die was a Richard Holtorf bill, and he asked me
to be the Senate sponsor, so I gladly did, knowing
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I'd never see it over in the Senate, and I didn't.
But then the following year, law enforcement asked me, hey,
can you run this again, and I said it got
killed last time. I said yeah, but then trend Ragua's happened,
so everybody knows about it. I think this might pass well.
Of course, the Democrats kill it again.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
But the thing that happens there, though, if you just
think about it strategically, you get Democrats on the record.
In the wake of the trend de Aragua disaster in
Aurora that we saw unfold with Cindy and ed Romero,
the video that went viral not only nationally but internationally,
you get Democrats on the record saying no, I'm going
to vote in favor of keeping Trendy Arragua in Aurora
in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
So at least you got that out of them. Yes, yeah, true, true.
We get them on the record. Yea, for sure. And
this year I have two bills that I'm introducing that
will address the sexual misconduct specifically in schools in Jefferson
County schools. Right now. I know it's just a looming
issue everywhere, but Jefferson County has a particular sickness going
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on there, and there's a there are thirty three laws,
crimes that that are on the books right now that
are being prosecuted. And this is a real issue. I mean,
when you're going to turn your child over for hours
to an education institution and you have to worry about
whether the teacher, whether another student or whatever is going
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to sexually assault, have some kind of sneaky misconduct going on. Boy,
we need to clean that right up. So I'm going
at that pretty hard.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
And of course, Lindsay Daddo, my good friend heads up,
Jeff co kids. First, we've been talking about those issues
on the regular, unfortunately on this program, and Senator Mark
Baisley wise to point that out.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I want to get your.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Response to something President Trump said the other day that
is of significance in this state. He rips apart Governor
Polus and then also defends the convicted Tina Peters.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
The poorly run state of Colorado with a governor who's
incompetent and frankly, with a governor that won't allow our
wonderful Tina to come out of a jail, in a
high intensity jail because she caught people cheating on an
election and they said she was cheating. She wasn't cheating.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
She went over, she.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Looked at one of the election scams going on, and
because she did that, they put her in jail for
nine years. The governor of Colorado is a weak and
pathetic man who was run by Trend de Ragua. The
criminals from Venezuela took over sections of Colorado, and he
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was afraid to do anything. But he puts Tina in
jail for nine years because she caught people cheating.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
And when she walked over and got involved in it, they.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Said she was cheered. She wasn't cheating. She caught people
cheating on the election twenty twenty, along with a lot
of other people that cheated on that election.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
You'll see that coming out more and more.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Well, the President points out here Senator Baisley, I think
is important in terms of perspective and context. And Dan
Camplis has brought this up that you're going to sentence
a Tina Peters to eight years plus in prison, and
yet Kim Kardashian whispers, sweet, nothing's in Governor Poulos's ear
about Rochelle Aguilera Maderos, who incinerated five people on a
highway in Colorado, got that sentence commuted down under that
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amount and then you have sex offenders that Democrats are
fighting for Senator Baisley to not only reduce their sentences,
but not have them serve any time at all or
be registered sex offenders.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
How do you square that circle?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
And how do you respond to what President Trump said
there about Tina Peters?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
How that circle cannot be squared? Just yeah, it's so
when it comes to Tina Peters, I've said before, and
I'll say it again here publicly on your airways, that
if the people are kind enough to give me the
job of governor, Tina Peters will not spend another night
in prison. I will have prepared that removal. If I
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have to drive there myself and get her out of
prison right after swearing in, I will do that. But
so Tina probably bent the rules a bit, sounds like,
but her her goal was trying to preserve the records
and to to have transparency. We need a whole lot
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more transparency than we have in our election systems. Think
about this once once we take what used to we
used to watch, We used to see through manual scratching out,
filling in the bubbles on the ballot and then hand
counting them is now just image captured into a machine
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and something happens and then a result comes out. We
don't have visibility into the logic in there, but all
it's supposed to be doing is counting. It's it's just
increments adding. So what's that fifty lines of code that
ought to be able to do that and and and
a whole bunch of other user interface stuff with fifty
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lines of code. No, it's a They have over a
million lines of code. And I want to know what's
going on. So I have pushed for the dominion folks
to tell me, but Jenna Griswold has defended them, saying, no,
that's their intellectual property. I'm thinking there should be nothing unique, nothing,
no intellectual property, no patentable you know, specific things that
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they own that we shouldn't know about. Is counting our
votes in the interest of transparency in the instrument and
the interest transparency. And that's the issue with Tina Peters
is she is trying to expose things and she got
jailed for it for nine years. Not fair.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Senator Mark Baisley spending the entire hour with us here
appreciate his time here.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Today. You can find out more about his campaign.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
At Mark Baisley dot com, b A I s l
e y dot com, Mark spelled with a K, and
he'll be participating in that Republican governor candidate forum at
the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park, January tenth,
one thirty to three thirty. Mark, thank you so much
for your time today. Thank you Ryan, You're awesome, and
for ruding us a fine shielding Live
This afternoon, form Debisa walked into this courthouse behind me,
shackled and in an Orange Wells County jumpsuit, facing new charges.
But you might recall, just a matter of weeks ago,
he was released on charges of attempted murder charges which
he was found incompetent to stand trial. For now, his
case has made local and national headlines, something both his
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attorney and the Attorney General's office appear to have taken
note of. Monday, FIM Debisa was before a judge for
a bond hearing on his latest arrest last week, when
he was allegedly trespassing on the UNC campus with a firearm.
You may recall, Debisa was released from jail and his
attempted murder charge earlier this month against the wishes of
the local prosecutor and the sheriff, after falling through a
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crack in the state law which says those found incompetent
to stand trial and also unable to receive civil commitment
to mental health care must be released. Since our reporting started,
there has been a concern from the sheriff, district attorney,
and many in the community that Dabisa is viewed as
a threat to the community. His background includes accusations of
attempted murder, armed robbery, and even a high speed chase,
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but state law allowed him to be free. In an
exclusive interview with CBS News Colorado from his jail cellm
he told us he was innocent and being framed for
political reasons. Well Monday afternoon, his attorney asked the judge
to suppress information in the case due to the national
attention it has grabbed. And then suddenly an attorney from
the Colorado Attorney General's Office unexpectedly asked to speak to
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the judge. In an otherwise uncommon move, the AG's office
asked to get involved, requesting the courts to release competency
evaluations of the past and future so they can evaluate
what options are best for Dabisa moving forward. And it
seems as if the judge wasn't expecting this move, asking
that Attorney's General's Office representative to spell her name and
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even provide her AG I should say her attorney number
as well. We reached out to the AG's office asking
why they're trying to get involved in the case now,
and they wrote us back and said, quote no comment,
end quote. Bond was kept at one million dollars today
and they will be reconvening late next month for another hearing.
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Reporting live in Weld County, Dylan Thomas covering Colorado, First.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
CBS for Colorado from a couple of months ago the
AG's office. They didn't name him. It's Phil Wiser choosing
to get involved in this case. It has become a
national embarrassment here in Colorado. A friend Abisa, the sheriff
that is mentioned in this Wild County. Of course, Steve
Reams He'll be filling in for Dan Caples later today
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and in an exclusive one of the victims of a
framed Abisa for which he was charged I believe it
was second degree murder, will be joining Sheriff Rheames on
the Dan Caplis show, so you'll want to stay tuned
for that. My question out of the gate here is
if a framed Abisa was incompetent to stand trial, how
and why did he have the cognitive capacity to say
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he was being framed for political reasons? And if he
had that level of intuition to process that information and say, hey,
I'm being targeted here, how then is he incompetent to
stay on trial? This is a mess, and it's all
because of House Built twenty four ten thirty four that
passed through the General Assembly and was signed into law
by Governor Jared Polis.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's just one name.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
We mentioned a previous named Joel Lang in our conversation
with Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. There's also Solomon Gallagan who attempted
to kidnap an elementary school student from a playground during
recess in broad daylight. Here's George Brockler commenting on that case.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, it's a super troubling one. And keep in mind
that before this person went to try go kidnap this
young boy was already a registered sex offender. Now that
can only happen if you've been convicted of a prior
sex offense. Well, so, somehow this person navigated the legal
waters in order to become a registered sex defender, but
now is incompetent to stand trial. There was a change
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in the laws RECs. I think it was twenty twenty four.
And remember this is the Dems in charge who books
this thing through and they change the law significantly so
that I'll give you an example on all second class
misdemeanors and below, and that includes some pretty serious misdemeanors,
some domestic violence, some lower level child abuse, that all
this other stuff. If you get a report back from
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the state hospital it says that this person is incompetent,
the DA must immediately dismiss the case against that person
and just send them right back out into the community.
It's in the felony like this. You have a longer
period of time to challenge this, but at the end
of the day, the idea is that you're going to
end up having to dismiss cases against people who are
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called incompetent and unlikely to be restorable in the foreseeable future.
None of those terms except restorable are defined. So what's
the foreseeable future. Nobody knows. It's just whatever. And so
you have a growing number of these defensive can see this.
This is the out, This is the way you pursue.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The twenty third District Attorney George Brockler commenting on this
and joining us now Senator Mark Baisley. This passed through
the Senate unanimously, with both votes by Senator Barb Kirkmeyer,
also a candidate for governor, and the aforementioned Senator Baisley,
who joins us live in studio on Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Senator Baisley, thank you so much for your time. Thank
you for having me Ryan.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
This has gone so horribly wrong. I spoke with Senator
Kirkmeyer about what the intent was of this bill you
signed on to it. In retrospect, how do you evaluate
what was happening at that time when this bill was
being debated and what the practical effect has been for
Colorado and Colorado's.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, you know, and when I started hearing about the
effects of releasing folks back into especially with Gallaghan, who
you know, attempted to kidnap a child right off of
the playground and then he gets released based on this law,
I thought, who in the who in the world would
a voter on that law? So I went and looked
it up and go I voted on that law. I
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voted positively on that law. So of course I then
poured over the thirty pages worth of that to see
what was in that law. Why would I have made
that decision? And I need to sit with in particular
George Brocker, who's a good friend, and say, help me
to understand your thinking in this on how this law
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gets someone to being released. Because this was eighteen months
ago or twenty months ago or so. So I had
to go back and research because we go through seven
hundred bills every year. But this house built twenty four
ten thirty four very specifically says the guidance excludes release
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if the defendant is charged with a class one or
two or three felony offense, a sex offense, or a
clime crime of violence as defined and so on, or
a level or level two drug felony. I cannot imagine
how anyone would reason their way to saying that Gallaghan,
and probably these other two events that you're talking about,
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other two incidences that that would qualify for release due
to incompetence. Now I get the incompetence. If someone is incompetent,
they cannot defend themselves, cannot understand understand charges and so on. Okay,
And that's probably where my thinking was at the time, saying, yeah,
let's make sure that someone is not standing trial for
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someone that something that they are not competent to understand
the charges. But that doesn't mean we release them back
into the community where the community is a threat. So
that was my thinking, and that's even my understanding of
the law right now. I think it's more it is
it is people, judges and so on that are more
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prone to release people back into the community that are
a threat to the community. And I don't know why
they think that way, but they do, And so I
think this is more bad judge work than it is
the law. It's so I have thought of how would
I introduce a new law to make clarification so that
we could fix this, And I'm not really sure how
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that would happen because when I read this, it says
you don't release someone back onto the public if they
are a threat. If it were they're arrested for or
accused of these felony offenses that include sex, that include violence,
or drug felonies. So I'm gonna have to stare at
this real hard to figure out how do we clarify
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that so that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Again, appreciate his insight on this, having voted on the bill.
Mark Baisley our guest senator in the fourth district. You
can find out more about his campaign for governor at
Mark Baisley dot com. Last name is spelled Beei s l
e Y. First name is Mark with a K. He
will be participating in the candidate forum that will be
moderated by both Mandy Connell of KAA and Yours truly
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coming up on Saturday or January tenth, one thirty to
three thirty pm at the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley
at Lincoln Park. It is free and open to the public,
but tickets are going fast, so be sure to check
that out in attend if you can. Other candidates who
will be participating include Senator Barb Kirkmeyer, Representative Scott Bottom's
Sheriff Jason mike Sel, as well as former Congressman Greg Lopez.
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So it should be a very interesting day and Senator
appreciate your participation in that as part of that forum, though,
I'm just kind of playing this out. When I spoke
with Representative Bottoms, he was a no on this from
the very beginning, from the get go, from Jump Street.
He maintained that vote throughout. He was one of twelve
Republicans in the House to vote no on House Built
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twenty four Dash ten thirty four. You've already conceded that
in retrospect it was a mistake. You wanted to look
under the hood, you wanted to get this right. But
how would you confront Representative Bottoms when he can say, look,
I was right on this from the beginning, Senator Kirkmeyer,
Senator Baseley, they got it wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, and sometimes we do get it wrong, and in retrospect, yeah,
I would change my vote to an know on that
for the reason that it has been used to release
people back on to the people and criminals back on
to the people. So I don't want that to happen,
and this is being used as an excuse to do that.
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So I think that they're bending the the wording in
this because wording is important these you know, what, what
what is in the law itself is what the law.
What it says is what it means. But sometimes, as
we all know, people interpret things differently. I mean, we
have a big national debate going on about the fourteenth
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Amendment right about about here here. This amendment to the
US Constitution was to address a slavery issue and to
determine that, hey, folks who are here slaves are are citizens.
So now of course that's being used for folks who
are born of illegal immigrants are also citizens. So this
is interpretations that are biased, that are that have an
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agenda behind it, And that's what I think is happening here,
So I'm certainly ready to conceee that, Hey, I did
not have the foresight that Scott Bottoms did, and I
respect Scott deeply on that, so I think he saw
this coming in spite of what the words actually say.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Senator Mark Baisley, our guest. So the heat I'm getting
from listeners constituents that would potentially be voting for you,
Senator Baisley, is, Look, the Democrats are already ruining our
state with idiotic bills like this one. They don't need
our help as Republicans, And why your default position wouldn't
have just been a firm know until convinced otherwise rather
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than going along with this. And the left brain part
of me goes, Okay, I'm trying to kind of give
benefit of the doubt status here. Maybe there was something
going on behind the scenes, this was part of a
broader negotiation, But I don't see the upside. I don't
see that the Republicans got anything, or that we were
able to advance any agenda. That you and bar basically
just kind of went along with this and got nothing
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in return.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Is that a fair analysis or no? You know what,
I don't I don't think about it. As a tug
and pull like that, What were we going to get
out of this if we vote for at right? I
just try to vote on principle and when there's a
because I'll be the only no vote, you know, multiple times,
and it's not I don't turn around to look behind
me to see who else is voting. I'm I'm the
front row. I just I vote on is because your
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last name begins with the be. No. I don't know
why I'm sitting in the front row, but that's not
But you know, to my right, the one guy who
I could never quite beat on the liberty score was
Kevin van Winkle as State Senator. Kevin van Winkle at
the time was now a commissioner in Douglas County. He
voted yes on that bill too, And so all of us,
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even those that are that are very hard right, we
were we were thinking at the time. And to be honest,
as I said before, I don't recall thinking through this
bill in particular, because there's just so many that I
don't recall specifically walking through the logic of that. But
trying to rebuild reason in my own mind after having
read through the thirty pages of it is how do
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we deal with someone who truly is mentally ill when
they're charged with a crime, then I think we need
to deal with them with their mental illness isolated from
the public. When it's something dangerous then but maybe not
that standing for that crime, but standing for let's fix
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this person, or let's keep them isolated from the public.
I'm you know, that's that's what I'm thinking. That wasn't
a Hey, what do I get out of this from
the Democrats if I vote for it? I just I
just don't think that way.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Senator Mark Baisley, our guest candidate for governor, one of
five that will be participating in the aforementioned forum in
discussing this issue with Sheriff Steve Reams, and he deals
with this on a real practical level in Weld County,
and it was under his watch that this entire incident happened.
With a frame to visa that we let off the
segment with what seems to be the problem here, and
Senator kirk Meyer knowledgists we just don't have the bedspace
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and mental health facilities to accommodate these individuals, and they
can only stay incarcerated or in custody for so long
before they're having to be churned out because they run
out of beds and it's just a time game at
that point. And then that's how a Solomon Gallaghan gets
back out in the public when even his mother and
his sister said he has no business being in society,
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just can't function. So my question to you, Senator would be,
is it time to reopen asylums those sorts of things.
Increase funding for mental health facilities in this state so
we have the capacity to accommodate these individuals. Because you're right,
from a human, humane, compassionate standpoint, if these people are
truly mentally disturbed in that way, they need to be
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removed from society. They need treatment, but there's just nowhere
to put them.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, oh, we need to find the place to put them.
I remember walking down to Denver, and obviously in downtown
Denver a lot and there's a guy running towards me,
screaming his head off and bleeding and bleeding out the
neck and it was just like, you know, very disturbing,
and he just collapses at my feet and he starts
beating himself in the head, slugging himself in the head,
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and then pounding his head on the pavement. I'm calling
nine one one and trying to get him some help,
and then he just as he's very bloodied, he just
stands up and then just walks across the street like
nothing happened. There's we cannot just function as a civilization
with folks that are dealing with these kind of storms
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going on in their mind all amongst us and not
treat them. We leave them homeless, We leave them sitting
out on the cold, begging for the next meal, and
so on. We need to have we need to have facilities.
And I don't know if we call them asylums or whatever,
but I'll tell you in my district, my state Senate district,
which is eight counties that includes Fremont County, and that's
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the industry for Fremont. You know, we have ski counties
and we have agriculture counties. Fremont is the prison county.
That's what they do. The super max prison is there,
the territorial prison is there, and so on. I look
at that and I think we need to do something
similar and maybe place it right there. But since that's
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the industry of the of the neighborhood, that's what that
community does. And we accommodate these folks and we get
them on their medications or get them off whatever drugs
that they have been on and so on, and let's
address this head on, because yeah, since the seventies when
they like shut down I think it was, and they
shut downsylanums and so on, thinking that this was cruel,
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it has not been fixed ever since then, and we've
all been suffering for it, and a lot of people
have been suffering in a really big way for it,
not just the people who are dealing with the mental struggles,
but the victims of those people who are willing to
who don't have the the the filters that keep them
from lashing out of people for no good reason.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Many people, many people cite the shutting down of those
facilities to the pop culture influence of One Flew Over
the Cuckoo's Nest and what that exposed about the abuse
that would take place in those facilities. Senator Mark Baisley,
our guest, Just a couple of minutes left in this segment, Mark,
But a lot of people might be hearing from you
for the first time at least on this program, and
they want to get an idea of kind of where
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you are. And I know this is a broad question,
but of the major candidates that I mentioned, Sheriff Mike Sel,
Senator Kirkmeyer, Representative Bottom's former Congressman Greg Lopez, Victor Marx
who will not be attending this event that I'm talking about,
where in the political spectrum would you say you are
in relation to those other candidates? Would you say the
right of them or you in the middle? How would
you define that?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Interesting, I am. I am very much on the right
side of things. My liberty score, I have the highest
liberty score in the state Senate. I'm a bee, a
solid B there. But you know, I've been awarded the
Liberty Defender by the Liberty Scorecard people, the Senate Guard,
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an award by the Union of Colorado Union of Taxpayers,
and I have a ninety seven percent lifetime rating from SEAPAC.
So yeah, I've been given thirty awards for recognizing my
conservative ideals. And so yeah, I'm on the right. But
where I really try to match it is the founding
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principles of the nation. That's important. I study them a lot,
and I try to align myself with what's in the
Declaration of Independence, which I just haven't memorized awesome.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Senator Mark Baisley our guest. He is the Senator from
the fourth district in the State Senate the General Assembly,
and he is one of the more prominent candidates for
governor who will be participating in the forum coming up
on January tenth that would be co moderated by Mandy
Connell of KOA and yours truly, Ryan Schuling. Well, much
more with the Senator, including your questions if you have
them at five seven seven three nine via the text
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line more with Senator Mark Baisley after this on Ryan
Schuling Live. Back here on Ryan Schuling Live, joined in
studio by Senator Mark Baisley, candidate for governor on the
Republican side for twenty twenty six and he'll be participating
in a forum moderated by my colleague at KOA, Mandy
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Connell and yours truly And if you want to attend this,
I think there are still tickets. Is that the Double
Tree by Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park. It's Saturday, January
tenth from one thirty to three thirty pm and Senator
Mark Baisley will be one of five candidates participating in it.
Along with fellow Senator Barb Kirkmeyer who joined US Representative
Scott Bohams who has been with us this week, a
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former Congressman Greg Lopez who has been on this show
many times, and Sheriff Jason mike Sel who was also
on this program not that long ago. Now, one thing
that Senator Baisley and President Donald Trump have in common
they have both defeated an opponent named Kamala and that
goes back to twenty eighteen in the House of Representatives
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for Senator Basely. So that's a nice little commonality you
might have, Senator Baslely. But I'll ask you this very
basic question is where do you find yourself agreeing the
most with President Trump and his agenda and where might
you part with him on an issue?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
What do you a part? Well, I'll start there. Part Well,
I'm not so I'm not the brash type. I really
wish he wouldn't make comments like he did about Rob
Rob Ryaner go, oh yeah, I get I get you.
He picked on you for our years and now he's
out in your dirt, clad in the back of his
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head as he was off off to his eternity. But
just I wish you wouldn't do that. I love just
about everything that he does. Now he's he's far more
brash than I am, but uh, that's okay. I just
his being the guy that he is, being the tough
guy that he is, blowing up boats that are coming
(20:59):
in with drug I'm good with that, and I'm good
with that for a couple of reasons. One is, those
drugs are coming here to kill our people. I mean,
to make them dependent and they will die, and they
don't care except that they want them to keep paying
the only loss for them as a customer. But I'm
good with it because it tells the world we're not
(21:21):
putting up with this kind of garbage that you guys
foised on us. You take advantage. He says this a lot,
and I appreciate it. The world takes advantage of the Americans,
and they do. They do in pharmaceutical pricing and in
drugs and in oil and energy things, all of that,
and he stands up for all that. So I'm I'm
a big fan. I think he's I think he's very
(21:42):
good for America.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Mark Baisley dot com. You can find out more there.
That's his website for his campaign. That's Mark with a
K B A I S L E Y dot com
got to spell these things out on the radio. Because
we put up a graphic to show it to you.
You could text in your questions at five seven seventy
three nine. This one was also posed for Senator Kirkmeyer
from this Texter like kirk Meyer, I like Baisley, But
(22:04):
we need someone to run for Senate. Why did he
decide governor instead? And who will the Republicans get to
run against Hickenloopers. So Senator walk us through that decision.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
If you would place. Yeah, if I were doing this
just for my own enjoyment, I would run for US Senate,
just because I think it would be great fun to
go serve at the same level, or at the higher level,
but the same job that I'm doing as a legislator
and in the in the Senate. And I prefer the
serving in the Senate over the House is just a
(22:34):
little more of my style, I guess, than the all
the raucous fighting in the House, which I miss on occasion.
But so that would that would be cool for me.
I would love to go serve in the in the
US Senate. However, I feel called to serve in the
Governor's office. And that's because having worked with all of
these state agencies, the Office of Innovation Technology or Information
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Technology now and the Office of Economic Development and Natural Resources,
all these departments that I've been working with a lot
in developing relationships and seeing where they're great and seeing where, man,
we need to cut back on their budget. You know,
I have a strong opinion about all that. In fact,
(23:19):
the suggestion, the strongest suggestion to me that I run
for governor came from the business community because I have
spent most of my time in the legislature focusing on
building the economy, trying to bring jobs into Colorado. So
worked on the chipsack to get semiconductor manufacturing into Colorado,
(23:40):
then a little more highbrow, the tech hub for quantum computing.
So I worked that real hard, and in fact that
I worked that with Hickenloper and with Michael Bennett back
in DC to get them to help us win it
on the ground back there. And we did win, you know,
beat out all the other states. So now Colorado and
it's not really well known, but we all ought to
know about it because it's something to be proud of
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and it's a big boost for our economy, and that
is that the tech hub for quantum computing is Colorado.
It's the Boulder Broomfield area. Companies have moved their headquarters
to Broomfield to work there, and so it's it's thousands
of high paying jobs for the next generation of computers.
Very amazing thing, high tech stuff and good jobs. And
(24:22):
also worked on excuse me, and successfully. We also won
the Sun Dance Festival that's coming to colorad Point for
the next ten years. It's awesome. It's like, yes, it's
like having the Super Bowl come to ten for ten years. Okay,
I say all that because that's where it's been my focus,
because you know, if you start with the money, start
with financial health. If people are financially healthy because they
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have the dignity of work, self reliance, they can get
ahead and can take care of others around them, family
and all that, then everything else seems to follow easier.
So that's been my emphasis well. As a really result
of that, business communities, very specifically, people come to me
and say, look, Mark, you talked to us into coming
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to the state. We're happy here, but the business climate
is horrible and getting worse. You need to step up
as a governor and fix that keep us here because
we want to stay here, but keep us here by
having good policy. Veto all the nonsense on how we
have to do our HR and and you know, benefits
we have to have, and all the other many things
(25:28):
that the that the state legislature keeps throwing at them.
Somebody needs stop start vetoing that stuff and eventually roll
back those those terrible bills. So it's a job that
I feel qualified to do. I look at my fellow
travelers that are also running for this this position, good friends,
(25:50):
people I like and respect. But I feel like I'm
the best positioned and best informed and and and best
prepared in business management to take on this is the
forty four billion dollar annual operation. None of us has
operated a business at that level, but I think I've
operated a business at a higher level than any of
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my compadres there. I think I can take it on.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Senator Mark Baisley, our guest Republican candidate for governor. As
we head into the holiday, as a reminder that the
candidate forum coming up in Welld County, you want to
thank Sheriff Steve Rereens and Steve Wells for helping to
put it on and send the invites out to the
more prominent major candidates. Mark Baisley defined as one of those.
I'm sure he's glad to hear that. And the Republican
(26:36):
Governor Candidate Forum will be taking place at DoubleTree by
Hilton and Greeley at Lincoln Park Saturday, January tenth, one
thirty to three thirty pm. If you google that, you
can get tickets for free there going fast. It will
be a full event. Looking forward to com moderating that
myself along with Mandy Connell of KOA. We'll take this
break and during this time out you can text a
(26:56):
question to Senator Baisley if you have one at five
seven seven three and I've got a few of my
own to close out on this hour after this on
Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Why need things down for this hour?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Senator Mark Baisley one of the major candidates for governor
here in the state of Colorado on the Republican side.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
And in that primary.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
He's been generous enough to spend the whole hour with
us and circling back to the beginning of this hour
and also to a conversation we were just having during
the break, I apologized to our listeners. You weren't able
to hear it, but it prompted a question for me,
Senator Baisley, and that is, you know, we have this
haven for criminals in criminal activity in Colorado, and many
(27:36):
of us feel that that is intentional, that is deliberate,
whether it's trendy Orragua setting up shop, or the drug
card tells using Colorado as a launching pad. You talk
about the drug boats being bombed into oblivion by President
Trump that you support that. I support that too. That's
a chemical weapons attack in a sense on the state
of Colorado, on the United States of America. These soft
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sense and sing for criminals in this state kind of
putting criminals needs, including sex offenders, ahead of the actual
victims in this state. It's a pattern of the left,
Senator that I know you've been trying to battle against
in the General Assembly. But as governor, what would you
do to kind of not only stem the tide, but
reverse the trend and make it clear that Colorado is
(28:21):
not a sanctuary state, that Denver is not a sanctuary city,
and certainly not for criminal illegal aliens to that.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
So, the first couple of things is to instruct our
law enforcement and our courts that needed to choose the
side of defending the people. Because our state legislature in
the past couple of years, as you're just pointing out,
they actually put our law enforcement and our court employees
(28:50):
in the position of having to choose between a federal
law or a state law because they passed state laws
that say you cannot cooperate with ICE for instance, and that,
and then there are federal laws that say you have
to cooperate with ICE if you know, if you see
that there is someone who is criminally in this country,
(29:10):
then you're obligated to report that. So anyway that they are,
they're prevented from that. So if you have to choose
between one or the other, then I would encourage them
a start choosing to defend the people and cooperate with ICE,
And that would be the second thing is just an
invitation to ICE. I got to meet with home Homan,
(29:31):
you know. Uh, to Holman, thank you, and thanks to
Daniel Zirinsky. Uh. It's probably about two years ago in
in a meeting in Aurora, and when when the crend
Aragua thing first came up and he came out to
meet with folks, I didn't know who he was at
the time. You know, I've since realized, oh, you know
(29:52):
who that was, And so I have photos on my
on my phone of him sitting right across the table
from him. He's here trying to to clean out Here
are people that mean us harm, that are trying to
take over the culture even of the country, and he's
here to clean it out. And why our state government
(30:12):
stands up, why that whole world view stands up and says, no,
we're going to we're going to invite that, We're going
to accommodate that, We're going to let that fester right
here in our neighborhood and make it difficult for our
law enforcement to work with him. So a couple of things,
I've run bills the same bill effectively a little different
(30:33):
in two years running to lift all those restrictions from
law enforcement so that they can cooperate with federal government
on this. Of course, both times the Democrats killed it.
The first time didn't surprise me. It was going to
die was a Richard Holtorf bill, and he asked me
to be the Senate sponsor, so I gladly did, knowing
(30:57):
I'd never see it over in the Senate, and I didn't.
But then the following year, law enforcement asked me, hey,
can you run this again, and I said it got
killed last time. I said yeah, but then trend Ragua's happened,
so everybody knows about it. I think this might pass well.
Of course, the Democrats kill it again.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
But the thing that happens there, though, if you just
think about it strategically, you get Democrats on the record.
In the wake of the trend de Aragua disaster in
Aurora that we saw unfold with Cindy and ed Romero,
the video that went viral not only nationally but internationally,
you get Democrats on the record saying no, I'm going
to vote in favor of keeping Trendy Arragua in Aurora
in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
So at least you got that out of them. Yes, yeah, true, true.
We get them on the record. Yea, for sure. And
this year I have two bills that I'm introducing that
will address the sexual misconduct specifically in schools in Jefferson
County schools. Right now. I know it's just a looming
issue everywhere, but Jefferson County has a particular sickness going
(31:55):
on there, and there's a there are thirty three laws,
crimes that that are on the books right now that
are being prosecuted. And this is a real issue. I mean,
when you're going to turn your child over for hours
to an education institution and you have to worry about
whether the teacher, whether another student or whatever is going
(32:18):
to sexually assault, have some kind of sneaky misconduct going on. Boy,
we need to clean that right up. So I'm going
at that pretty hard.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
And of course, Lindsay Daddo, my good friend heads up,
Jeff co kids. First, we've been talking about those issues
on the regular, unfortunately on this program, and Senator Mark
Baisley wise to point that out.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I want to get your.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Response to something President Trump said the other day that
is of significance in this state. He rips apart Governor
Polus and then also defends the convicted Tina Peters.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
The poorly run state of Colorado with a governor who's
incompetent and frankly, with a governor that won't allow our
wonderful Tina to come out of a jail, in a
high intensity jail because she caught people cheating on an
election and they said she was cheating. She wasn't cheating.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
She went over, she.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Looked at one of the election scams going on, and
because she did that, they put her in jail for
nine years. The governor of Colorado is a weak and
pathetic man who was run by Trend de Ragua. The
criminals from Venezuela took over sections of Colorado, and he
(33:31):
was afraid to do anything. But he puts Tina in
jail for nine years because she caught people cheating.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
And when she walked over and got involved in it, they.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Said she was cheered. She wasn't cheating. She caught people
cheating on the election twenty twenty, along with a lot
of other people that cheated on that election.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
You'll see that coming out more and more.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Well, the President points out here Senator Baisley, I think
is important in terms of perspective and context. And Dan
Camplis has brought this up that you're going to sentence
a Tina Peters to eight years plus in prison, and
yet Kim Kardashian whispers, sweet, nothing's in Governor Poulos's ear
about Rochelle Aguilera Maderos, who incinerated five people on a
highway in Colorado, got that sentence commuted down under that
(34:14):
amount and then you have sex offenders that Democrats are
fighting for Senator Baisley to not only reduce their sentences,
but not have them serve any time at all or
be registered sex offenders.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
How do you square that circle?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
And how do you respond to what President Trump said
there about Tina Peters?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
How that circle cannot be squared? Just yeah, it's so
when it comes to Tina Peters, I've said before, and
I'll say it again here publicly on your airways, that
if the people are kind enough to give me the
job of governor, Tina Peters will not spend another night
in prison. I will have prepared that removal. If I
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have to drive there myself and get her out of
prison right after swearing in, I will do that. But
so Tina probably bent the rules a bit, sounds like,
but her her goal was trying to preserve the records
and to to have transparency. We need a whole lot
(35:14):
more transparency than we have in our election systems. Think
about this once once we take what used to we
used to watch, We used to see through manual scratching out,
filling in the bubbles on the ballot and then hand
counting them is now just image captured into a machine
(35:37):
and something happens and then a result comes out. We
don't have visibility into the logic in there, but all
it's supposed to be doing is counting. It's it's just
increments adding. So what's that fifty lines of code that
ought to be able to do that and and and
a whole bunch of other user interface stuff with fifty
(35:57):
lines of code. No, it's a They have over a
million lines of code. And I want to know what's
going on. So I have pushed for the dominion folks
to tell me, but Jenna Griswold has defended them, saying, no,
that's their intellectual property. I'm thinking there should be nothing unique, nothing,
no intellectual property, no patentable you know, specific things that
(36:21):
they own that we shouldn't know about. Is counting our
votes in the interest of transparency in the instrument and
the interest transparency. And that's the issue with Tina Peters
is she is trying to expose things and she got
jailed for it for nine years. Not fair.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Senator Mark Baisley spending the entire hour with us here
appreciate his time here.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Today. You can find out more about his campaign.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
At Mark Baisley dot com, b A I s l
e y dot com, Mark spelled with a K, and
he'll be participating in that Republican governor candidate forum at
the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park, January tenth,
one thirty to three thirty. Mark, thank you so much
for your time today. Thank you Ryan, You're awesome, and
for ruding us a fine shielding Live
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