December 12, 2025 • 34 mins
Stephen L. Miller, host of the Versus Media podcast, joins Ryan to reflect on the week that was and all of the mainstream media ridiculousness that covered it. Including Jon Stewart accepting the first-ever Walter Cronkite Award for Comedic News and Commentary - once again blurring the lines between comedy and 'news.'
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Versus Media by Stephen L. Miller | Substack
Jimmy Sengenberger has covered the Tina Peters trial and sentencing since the prosecution against her began during her time as Mesa County clerk. He talks to Ryan about President Trump issuing a federal pardon from the executive branch for a state crime. Does it hold any water or carry any weight at all?
Our Friday Fool of the Week is revealed.
Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) / X (twitter.com)
Versus Media by Stephen L. Miller | Substack
Jimmy Sengenberger has covered the Tina Peters trial and sentencing since the prosecution against her began during her time as Mesa County clerk. He talks to Ryan about President Trump issuing a federal pardon from the executive branch for a state crime. Does it hold any water or carry any weight at all?
Our Friday Fool of the Week is revealed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've just been informed the Daily Show has won a
twenty twenty five Walter Cronkite Award, and I just want
to say, uh, I look on the words of this
Walter Krunkite Award honors excellence in political journalism that exemplifies
the role of a free press and upholding constitutional principles
(00:22):
and the rule of law. And I read that and
I thought to myself, that's not us. I'm pretty that's
not us at all. I mean, we're delighted, don't get
me wrong. But then I found out we're actually the
first ever winner in the new category Comedic News and Commentary,
(00:42):
and it made a.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Lot more sense.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That made a lot more sense when I had a
little bit of that nuance as far as that's going
to start. And we're delighted to be receiving that and
really thankful not to be in that other category, which
and by the way, when I went to the website,
(01:04):
really appreciate you guys using a picture of me with
an over the shoulder of a bird doing cocaine. I
don't remember why we were making the bird cocaine joke,
but I do know it was Cronkite Award worth it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Now generally we try.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
To accept these things in person, but obviously in DC,
as you know, my passport no longer works there. But
I'm delighted. The entire team is delighted to be receiving
an award of this magnitude, and thank you all so
much for bestowing it upon us.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
John Stewart accepting the first ever Walter Cronkite Award for
Comedic News and Commentary. Now there's so many different directions
to go with this one, as we dovetail off the
side of Hollywood. One of his more memorable moments was
when he basically incinerated the show Crossfire individually, sitting there
between I think it was Paul Begala and Tucker Carlson
(02:11):
back when he wore the bow ties on that program,
and the way he got out of any conversation saying, well,
why don't you go ahead and put your money where
your mouth is and talk about serious subjects. I follow
a show with puppets talking about crank yankers and nah,
and it's a whole. I think Ben Shapiro may have
said at first, Christian Toto says it often clown knows on,
(02:33):
clown knows off, whichever one is most convenient for John Stewart.
The other unintentional irony and comedy of this is where
do the news shows end and where do the comedy
shows begin? Because I find myself laughing a lot more
at the so called straight serious mainstream news, like Jake
Tapper calling a black suspect of the DNC RNC bombings
(02:55):
on January sixth, calling him white, when in fact he
was not white and quite black as a matter of fact.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So I'm laughing at that.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
At MSNBC, Joe Scarborough, this is the best version of
Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Ever and if you disagree, we'll f you. That was
pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And then I watch highlights off because I can't stand
to watch the entire show and they don't pay me
enough to watch it.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
For you.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, Seth Myers, sometimes Jimmy Fallon's okay,
but they're not funny, and they get on there with
like a Rachel Maddow gives us his droll commentary on
Russia collusion. Still Trump is still Putin's puppet. You're going
with that, and it's not funny. So the comedy shows
(03:41):
are not funny. The new shows are and somewhere in between.
John Stewart wins the first ever Walder Cronkite Award for
Comedic News and Commentary and joining Us Now to talk
more about it. He's the host of the Versus Media podcast,
one of the top follows on X at Red Ste's ste.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Z E, Stephen L. Miller, our guest, my friend, and
Steven Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I'd like to be upset about this, but I think
it's kind of a fitting end to the blurred line
of every journalist wishing they were a comedian and every
comedian wishing that.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
They were a newsperson. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, I look at this and I just go, you know, journalists,
actual journalist should be ashamed at this. They should turn
their nose up at this and just be like, this
is an insult to our entire profession. Except they're too
busy trying to be in the same club as John
Stewart and cozying up to him.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And what do you make too.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
There was this exchange the other night between David Letterman
and Jimmy Kimmel, and this goes to your point, Steven,
and it's one that you and I talk about often.
Listen to how David Letterman, who was once funny and
did a really funny show when I was a little
boy watching Late Night with David Letterman in the early
to mid eighties. The top ten list, the pranks, the jokes,
all this is what he's turned into. Now he's the
(04:54):
same age as my father. He's coming up on eighty.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Yeah, people are aware the fact that you are the
leader of the resistance. Again, I am the uh, I
am the total effective leader of the resistance.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
True, true?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Wait will this be televised tonight?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I can never keep track with you.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Getting yanked off.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Well, hold my ways up over.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
There, for God's sake.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Days here Anton would have hit that one, no problem,
thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And speaking of leaders, let me just say one thing here.
I'm gonna I'm gonna suck up to you because I
feel like if I kind of tag along with you,
I will be glorified in retrospect.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And it's kind of like you you just sit there.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
If if if the this is irrespective of the party
or political ideology, irrespective part of your political ideology, if
the leader of.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
The free world is a pool, the leader of.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
The free world then should expect and examine every bit
of ridicule he receives.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I can think of no bigger fool that's ever occupied
the White House Steven than Joe Biden, and yet gloves
were off of him.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, I mean that that comes to be expected. And
again this idea that you know, our late night comedians,
which is just it's late night group therapy for libs.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
That's all it is. I mean, they.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Really there's Jimmy Fallon might be the only one that
I think respects the legacy that he was given. He
does kind of get political, but he tries to keep
things light because he knows that the Tonight show isn't his.
It's something that was passed down through Johnny Carson and
Jay Leto and they all kind of had a reverence
for this thing. And then Stephen Colbert has handed David
(06:51):
Letterman's legacy, and not that Letterman cares apparently, but just
throws it into the toilet to the point where the
show doesn't exist anymore. They turn these shows and kind
of their personal soapboxes. And it's really interesting to go
back and you hear the term clapter, which is it's
just it's not a joke, it's just the host being
self affirmed by the audience clapping for him. And it
(07:14):
really is fascinating to see how this kind of all happened.
And you have Jimmy Kimmel appearing on podcasts with his
wife when they're talking about how they cut people out
of their lives and they don't seem happy because of it.
And I noticed this with Kimmel is it's constant anger,
it's constant rage, and I just think, especially given the
last election, people are.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Just tired of it. They're just over it.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Steven o'miller, I guess read Steez on X Versus Media podcast.
You can subscribe donalald of that on his sub stack
speaking of angry and unhappy, I mean, just listening to
this brings me down. She is a strong nominee for
our Fool of the Week and I wanted you to
hear and respond to it as well, Steve. And this
is Jennifer Welch from the I've Had It podcast. She
gets meaner and nastier and with more vitriol. It seems
(07:57):
with every episode it's like, why would people choose to
watch this? As she addresses Erica Kirk and her deceased
husband who was assassinated three months ago.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
She's abundantly aware of the when you talk about women
and poverty, that black and brown women stick off the
charts more so than white women. This is an intentional
attack on poor women. And this is a dehumanization, all
done in the name of her Lord and savior, Jesus Christ,
(08:29):
which is the exact opposite of what the central character
of the faith of Christianity preached against. So this is
intentional weaponization of her gender and her faith. And she
is a grifter. And just look at the costume changes.
Look at the costume changes, look at the affect and
how she does that. It's while this woman should be
(08:52):
kicked to the curb. She is an absolute grifter, just
like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist, homophobic husband.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Was so many layers to this onion to on peel Steve,
and I'll take one, and that is we always hear
this from the atheistic agnostic at best left lecturing Christians
and how to christian and what their faith is all
about and their Lord and Savior. That gets all pretty quick.
It's just the nastiness that Jennifer Welch has here. She's
gotten quite a bit of a blowback for this though, right, I.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Find it humorous that you know, the Democratic Party and
then I'll obviously the progressive left in media spent this
kind of seven month search looking for their own Joe
Rogan and instead settled on the final boss of Human Resources.
And I just this is, this is basically you could
not create a more you know, avatar from Gozer in
(09:48):
Ghostbusters of what the Democratic Party represents than who Jennifer
Welch is. This is someone who is a millionaire off
of Bravo TV. She doesn't particularly have any insight other
than just lobbying, insults and f bombs. And this is
somebody who again I reference the Democratic Party as the
party of the hector and sister in law, and this
(10:10):
is kind of that person if you had to just
paint that person in your mind, this is who they are.
And this isn't going to win voters back. And you
know something that's interesting to me is she said, you know,
Erica Kirk has to be kicked to the curb, and
she's out. Erica Kirk is out promoting her her dead
husband's book that he finished right before he was murdered,
(10:30):
and it's sold out on Amazon. They cannot keep this
book in stock and so the likelihood of Erica Kirk
being kicked to the curb is highly The chances of
that are very slim.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
She's going to have to get used to her. She's
going to be around, That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Steven L. Miller Versus Media podcast host.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
The comparing contrast that I've been observing here, Steven, between
Representative Marjorie Taylor Green and how she has handled her exodus,
which was expedited by President Trump, and our own representative
Lauren Bolbert right here in Colorado, who had much the
same stance on releasing the Epstein file, standing up for
the victims, standing up in some way to the Trump administration.
(11:12):
She had a private meeting in a skiff. I interviewed
her about that, handled it well and still garnered the
respect of the president and didn't get nasty. MTG chose
a very different path. She's going on the view again
with the same people. We were just talking about the
hectoring sister in laws that you so aptly described. And
(11:32):
this is with Leslie stall On sixty minutes.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Did you surrender? Did Donald Trump run.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You out of town?
Speaker 9 (11:39):
No?
Speaker 10 (11:40):
Not at all, Actually, Leslie, it's more like this is
I said in my statement, I will be no one's
battered wife, and I'm in it and I won't allow
the system to abuse me anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
The leftist media was getting all hot and bothered excited
over Lauren Bolbert taking her stance on the Epstein Files Steven,
and they praised her and they genuflected to her, and
they hope maybe she would kind of team up with
them the way that MTG has. She didn't do that.
She just kind of stood on principle. Why was she
able to figure that out?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Point A and then point B?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Why does MTG think these mainstream media leftist members of
that entire group are suddenly her friends?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
They're not.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I think Bolbert just likes the attention. I think she
likes being in Congress. I think she likes the attention
that she garners both from the party and then also
go from Trump. I think Marjorie Taylor Green's running for president,
and I think that that's pretty obvious.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And I think the lane that she is staking out
is going to be.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The jaded maga is over lane where all America first.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Now we've heard this rheter kind of bubble.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Up, and I think she's trying to stake out the
Tucker Carlson lane in a presidential primary. I don't think
it's going to work very well.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I think she.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Will make some noise, but by kind of moderating her
position both in the media, she's hoping to get favorable
media coverage, because if you get a Jent Van's campaign,
we know how the media is going to go after
him and then kind of build her up.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I don't think she's dumb. I think she's kind of
a loony, but I think she knows this, and I.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Generally think she probably doesn't want to be in Congress anymore.
The writing appears to be on the wall, with the
House possibly tilting next year towards the dams, and it's
no fun to be in the minority when you don't
have power to do anything, and so she could possibly
be staking out a media career. But I look at
this from the standpoint of the media. I look at
(13:38):
kind of all politicians as shameless. But the role the
media plays in this and rehabbing her and kind of
making her eat a pound of sam for all of
her past comments and stuff like that, it really goes
to show you at the lengths that they're going to
go here that if you just simply oppose Donald Trump
on anything, we're going to lionize you and we're going
to welcome you into our green rooms with big, warm
(13:59):
open arms.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
MTG on one side makes a lot of sense. You
might run in a primary for twenty twenty eight against
jd Vance, Marco Rubio, Ron de Santis, who knows who else.
On the other side, Consistently topping the polls for the
Democrats is Patrick Bateman himself from American psycho government governor
Gavin Newsom, who's telling a liberal podcast host here, hey, look,
(14:21):
it's not fair for trans kids to participate in sports.
But I am the most pro trans governor ever. He
is riding the lightning, riding both sides of the fence
on this issue, or trying to.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
We didn't get into transports.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
That's an issue no one wants to hear about because
eighty percent of people listening disagree with my position on this.
But it comes from my heart, not just my head.
It wasn't a political evolution in your position being that
I don't think it's fair. I want to see trans kids.
I have a trans god's son. There's no governor to
sign more pro trans legislation than I have, and no
one has been a strong gravocate for the LGBT comning.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Whatever that was at the very end.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
But Adam Carolla I think sums it up best whenever
he go Afternowsome, because he's followed him for years. He
interviewed him once and absolutely skewered him that this is
a man without principles whatsoever, unmoored to any kind of ethos. Steven,
he says that this position comes from his heart. I
don't know that any position comes from his heart. Gavin
Newsom strikes me as the ultimate chameleon in politics, among
(15:20):
where there are many. What is your take on what
he's trying to do here?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I mean speaking of he's running for president and that's
the most worst kept secret right now in all of
politics and media, and he is he's trying to be
all things to all people. And I talked about this
particular on my episode today which I just published, which
is I think he gave two very real campaign ending
answers in this interview and a friendly interview with Ezra Cline.
(15:47):
And one is he wants universal health care for illegal migrants.
The country's not going to go for that. And then
he said, I want more trans kids. I want trans
kids out here. And then he says, but we have
to kind of, you know.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
It's unfair to women.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But he doesn't say what he's going to do to
keep biological males out.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Of women's sports.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
This was the third most important issue to voters coming
out of this last election, behind immigration and inflation. And
you had a Democratic Party who miscalculated thinking suburban moms were,
you know, all in on abortion, and what turned out
is suburban moms don't want their daughters in locker rooms
of biological males. This is an issue that to me,
is a vote killer. If you cannot trust a member
(16:31):
of a political party on a biological reality that ninety
nine percent of the population holds and is true, they're
in real trouble. And so I do think that these
are two answers. A smart campaign or a smart RNC
party are going to clip these and they're just going
to sit on them and keep them warm for the
next two and a half years. I do believe two
of the answers he gave in this would end a
(16:53):
general election campaign by him.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Stephen's final minute, I'm want to give you a chance
to promote your podcast and tell people exactly what it is,
where it is, and what they can expect. The Versus
Media podcast. You mentioned the episode that just Drop talks
about this Gavin Newsom issue.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Go ahead and tell the people.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
It's o't run sub stack like isn't everybody these days?
It is being infected by former corporate journals, which isn't great.
But I try to stay in an array of topics
associated with media. I'm talking a lot about the fallout
of AI right now as more traditional media kind of
dies off.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
And fades away.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Media naire there's media biases. Obviously, I have a little
bit of kind of a conservatorian bent on there, but
it's more just kind of about the hypocrisy that we see.
It's it's you know, it's not breaking new ground, but
we kind of do things a little you know, I
try to do things a little bit funny, a little
bit more clever.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You talk about Tucker Carlson and the bow tie. That's
not me. So we get a little rally over there.
But I am one hundred percent of independent media.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I don't have sponsors, don't I don't do commercials or
anything like that.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
No offense to you guys.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
But yeah, that's that's just kind of what I do
over there, and as well as a couple other products
I'm kind of currently working on.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, we'll talk more about those next time he visits
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Stephen great Stuff is always Talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Soon, Geez.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Thanks, Ry All right, Jimmy Sangenberger talking about the Trump
pardon of Tina Peters.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Does it hold any weight and carry any water?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
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Speaker 11 (19:37):
And we do start with that breaking news. President Trump
says he is pardoning former Bason County clerk Tina Peters
on her state conviction for election interference.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm Karen Lee and I'm.
Speaker 12 (19:47):
Michael Spencer, and a post on his social media side
truth Social, the President wrote, in part quote, Tina is
sitting in a Colorado prison for a crime of demanding
honest elections. Peters is currently serving in nine your state
sentence for allowing unauthorized access to voting machines after.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The twenty twenty election.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
No evidence of widespread election fraud has been proven.
Speaker 11 (20:10):
Governor Polis, reacting tonight in a statement saying, quote, Tina
Peters was convicted by a jury of her Peers, prosecuted
by a Republican district attorney, and in a Republican county
of Colorado found guilty of violating Colorado state laws, including
criminal impersonation. No president has jurisdiction over state law, nor
the power to pardon a person for state convictions. This
(20:33):
is a matter for the courts to decide, and we
will abide by court orders. Your reporter of Sarahebeckwitz, has
been talking to legal experts this evening, and.
Speaker 12 (20:41):
Of course there everybody wants to know what could.
Speaker 13 (20:43):
Come of this, right, I mean, anything can go to court,
So that's kind of the first point here. But right
now Peters is in state custody on state charges. Historically,
presidential pardons have not been understood to include state crimes.
Late last year, Peters was convicted in Colorado on seven charges,
including three counts of attempting to influence a public servant
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and one count of conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation. The
Federal Bureau of Prisons asked the State of Colorado to
transfer her to federal custody last month, but police denied it.
Earlier this week, Peter's bid for freedom from a federal
judge as she appeals her state case was also denied.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So I asked.
Speaker 13 (21:26):
Legal experts, if Peters remains in state custody, can the
president grant her a pardon?
Speaker 14 (21:33):
But when it comes to state offenses, pardon power rests
with the governor, and so the governor would have.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
To pardon her in order for it to be legally effected.
Speaker 14 (21:41):
So what we have here is Trump really issuing a
symbolic pardon. It doesn't have legal effect, but could it
effect a social narrative?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Could it have some political dividends for him? Potentially?
Speaker 13 (21:52):
In a letter late last week, Peter's lawyers argued for
the pardon, but acknowledged the issue has never been raised
in court. This isn't the first time Trump has offered
pardons to people accused in state court of trying to
overturn his twenty twenty election loss. That includes his personal lawyer,
Rudy Giuliani. CBS News has reached out to the White
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House and Peter's legal representation for comment, and we're waiting
for that response.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Thank you Sarah.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Sarah Herbakowitz, CBS Colorado for the TEENA. Peter Saga continues
with a pardon. Albeit it could be performative, could be symbolic,
could be political by President Trump, it does not necessarily
have an effect of allowing her to be released from
president prison unless the aforementioned Governor Jared Poulis gets on
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board and decides to sing Kubaiyan say Okay, well, she's
served enough time and I'm going to beat the bigger person,
and magnanimous doesn't sound like that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
However, this Texter.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Of course, Trump knows he can't pardon Tina, but he's
bringing a lot of awareness to the bad sentencing that
she got. And I believe also he's making a lot
more people aware of Governor Polus because Polus plans to
run for president. Very astute text right there, joining us
now here on six point thirty KL Jimmy Sangenberger, who
has covered this entire case extensively, going back to when
(23:15):
it is being tried in a courtroom, and he's taken
a lot of heat from those on the right that
want to free Tina Peters.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Jimmy, welcome Hey.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Ryan, Thanks brother, And by the way, I should note
I've been covering this closely since the beginning, with my
first column on this calling for Tina Peters to resign
ten days after her office.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Was raided, and this story broke at saying sentators where
you can follow him at Seng Center cen Ter. So, Jimmy,
based on what you just heard President Trump's action on this,
where does it go from here.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
In your mind?
Speaker 8 (23:53):
Well? First, before the break, I listened in a little
bit and I heard you say, does this hold any weight?
Doesn't hold any water? The answer is no both, because first,
it doesn't hold any weight because, as the clip you
just played indicated very clearly, the president of the United
States cannot pardon anybody for state crimes. It doesn't hold
(24:16):
any water because even if he could do that, the
alleged crime that he pardons Tina Peters for here is
nothing of what she was actually convicted of, which included,
as we heard before, the felony counts of attempt to
influence a public servant three of those, and one count
(24:38):
of criminal attempt rather conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation. So
with that in mind, since it holds no weight and
holds no water. I don't think this goes anywhere. In fact,
I think the fans of Tina Peters just had a
big loss today. And here's why I believe Jared Polus
(25:00):
was seriously considering giving Tina Peters over to the Feds
in a transfer to federal authority or granting her clemency
amid the holidays. Now that ship has completely failed because
Trump just put him into a position of having to
dig his heels in. So of anything, Tina Peters now
(25:23):
has less of a shot today than she did this
time yesterday at getting out of prison.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Fascinating perspective, Jimmy, and you may well be right that
if Polus could make it look like this was of
his own accord, like I was just saying that it
came from him, It was an idea that originated in
his own mind, and.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
He looked at this as an issue of fairness.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
And now you're right, with Trump coming out and kind
of forcing his hand, it makes it look like if
he were to do it, it would be capitulating to Trump.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Well, he can't do that.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
The one thing I will say to the Texter's point
following up on this, and it is Stan Kaplis's point,
you shine a brighter spotlight on Jared Pola and his
term as governor here over these now almost eight years,
and you go back to twenty nineteen and the Lakewood
semitruck crash on Interstate seventy in which Rogelle Aguilera Maderos
(26:12):
killed five people, and then Kim Kardashian got in the
ear of Jared Poulis after.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
The ruling and sentencing had been handed out.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
It was severe and knocked that all the way down
to the point where Aguilera Maderos may be eligible for
parole after five years, meaning just one year for per
life that he took after blowing out his brakes and
driving down the mountain anyway and ramming into these people
and setting them on fire, insiderating them instantly. So on
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the one hand, you have that commutation of a sentence
by the governor using his discretion in a case that
he can do it, and then on the other hand,
you have this gold star mom and elderly lady sentenced
where many people feel it's a little bit harsh, if
not a lot harsh, to eight plus years for a
crime that did not hurt anybody physically. Can you see
(27:04):
the contrast to compare here, maybe shining a spotlight on
Polis and that might force him politically to make this move.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
Well, I think that again the ship has sailed for
him to make such a move of letting Tina Peters out,
although anything's possible. A couple of thoughts. First, First of all,
it was utterly disgraceful and disgusting for Polish to do
what he did in twenty nineteen. I mean, I like
the vast majority of Colorado's was just absolutely agast at that.
(27:34):
And it does to a point shine a spotlight on
Polis and how he would do something like that but
then not address this with Tina Peters, I suppose. But
there are so many other cases where somebody could point
to and say, well, he commuted this person, but not
this person. And I don't think that kind of a
(27:54):
discussion is appropriate. And for a few different reasons. Number one,
this was in I keep hearing the comparisons to this
or to that case, or to other cases of like, well,
this person who attacked somebody physically or killed somebody had
this treatment in say Denver County. We're talking about Republican
(28:15):
Mesa county with a district attorney in Dan Rubinstein, who's
a law and order guy. Why are we holding him
to the standard of the lost and saying, oh, you
shouldn't have done this. That's absurd. Secondly, Keina Peters will
be eligible for parole in early twenty twenty eight, that
is a little more than two years from now, after
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having served three and a half years behind bars, three
years in prison, six months in jail. Now that means
but before all of the a lot of these appeals
or some of the legal battles are over, she could
be out. And finally, the whole notion we keep hearing
Ryan that Tina Peters is dealing with health is used
(29:00):
in prison and so forth. There is a process called
special needs parole which is set up in state law
for inmates in exactly that kind of a position to
go through to get out early because of medical needs.
And she has not filed that. Her attorneys if not
talked about it. Instead they go to the president, and
(29:21):
in some respects, I feel like you have a Kim
Kardashian situation here of people getting in the President's ear
and saying similar things to what Kim Kardashian did to
try and get a pass for him in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Interesting take from a guy that's covered this story from
the very beginning. Tina Peters still incarcerated. President Trump issuing
our federal pardon, but again it has no bearing on
a state sentence, and her fate is likely at the
tender mercies of Governor Jared Poulis one way or another.
Ultimately follow him on x at Saying Center, scnng CE,
(29:56):
and teer writing for The Gazette both op eds and
and columns. As an investigative reporter, Jimmy does it all,
including filling in on this program.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Jimmy Sangenberger. Always appreciate your time.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Thanks brother. I have a good weekend, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You as well. We'll take this time out.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
We'll come back and reveal our Fool of the Week
after these words.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Winding things down for the hour.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Representative Benny Thompson Kentucky State Reps. Sarah Stoker, Representative Jasmine Crockett.
All worthy nominees for our Fool of the Week, but
nobody could hold a candle to the vitriol, the venom,
and the sheer evilness of Jennifer Welch talking about Erica Kirk.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
She's abundantly aware of the when you talk about women
and poverty, that black and brown women stick off the
charts more so than white women. This is an intentional
attack on poor women. And this is a dehumanization, all
done in the name of her Lord and savior Jesus Christ,
(31:04):
which is the exact opposite of what the central character
of the faith of Christianity preached against. So this is
intentional weaponization of her gender and her faith. And this
she is a grifter. And just look at the costume changes.
Look at the costume change, just look at the affect
and how she does that. It's wild. This woman sho'd
(31:27):
be kicked to the curb. She is an absolute grifter,
just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist,
homophobic husband.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Was talk about Charlie Kirk, who was assassinated a little
over three months ago. Jennifer Wells, congratulations, you got it,
because the I've Had It podcast is a grift unto itself.
Are full of the week, go into your text. Some
mixed reactions on Jimmy Sangenberger. This one's starting. Jimmy is
so wrong. Another one, Jimmy Sangenberger can shove it where
(31:58):
the sun don't shine nine efing words. I think I
meant years for Tina Peters is BS and Jimmy knows it.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Jimmy is so woke, says work here. I don't know
about this part though.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Take Peters out by force, arrest Griswold and put her
in a federal prison. Take out Polus, What do you
mean take out? I don't want to take anybody out,
except not for dinner. And if you're gonna say that,
you say it on the air. Shannon Scott the Golden Corral.
Perhaps I think Polus might be a.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Fen Okay, all right, bad. We do not.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Advocate for political violence on this show now or ever,
nor have I ever, nor would I ever. Got to
beat them at the ballot box, got to defeat them
in the arena of ideas. We don't want to be
like them in advocating for violence. And that goes to
this post from Jeff Hunt, who I am a fan
of Good Guy Radio, hosting his own right on a
(32:55):
competitor's station, and he asked the question. Now, he's just
asking the question, but I don't know if it should
be asked this way, says should Donald Trump use force
to free Tina Peters.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So far, it's about sixty.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Forty no, and Jimmy replied, Wow, Jeff, the fact that
you are even suggesting this as a serious possibility is
extraordinary and beyond the pale disappointing doesn't even begin to
cover it.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We can't go down that road, folks.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
We can't just throw a temper tantrum because we don't
get our way and then resort to whatever this is
being suggested to remove Tina Peters by force.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
We have to go through the.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Proper legal channels or we know better than them who
we claim to compete against.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And I want to fight, and I want to fight hard.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
But that's the nature of the game of politics, and
I want to do things the right way, or at.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Least do my level best.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And that's what I've done for you here this hour.
Thanks to Shannon Scott for pulling it all together. My
thanks as well to Steven L. Miller for joining us
during this hour, and Jimmy Sangenberger will take this time out.
Stay tuned top of the hour, more still to come.
You're listening to X thirty K House
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Hm
I've just been informed the Daily Show has won a
twenty twenty five Walter Cronkite Award, and I just want
to say, uh, I look on the words of this
Walter Krunkite Award honors excellence in political journalism that exemplifies
the role of a free press and upholding constitutional principles
(00:22):
and the rule of law. And I read that and
I thought to myself, that's not us. I'm pretty that's
not us at all. I mean, we're delighted, don't get
me wrong. But then I found out we're actually the
first ever winner in the new category Comedic News and Commentary,
(00:42):
and it made a.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Lot more sense.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That made a lot more sense when I had a
little bit of that nuance as far as that's going
to start. And we're delighted to be receiving that and
really thankful not to be in that other category, which
and by the way, when I went to the website,
(01:04):
really appreciate you guys using a picture of me with
an over the shoulder of a bird doing cocaine. I
don't remember why we were making the bird cocaine joke,
but I do know it was Cronkite Award worth it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Now generally we try.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
To accept these things in person, but obviously in DC,
as you know, my passport no longer works there. But
I'm delighted. The entire team is delighted to be receiving
an award of this magnitude, and thank you all so
much for bestowing it upon us.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
John Stewart accepting the first ever Walter Cronkite Award for
Comedic News and Commentary. Now there's so many different directions
to go with this one, as we dovetail off the
side of Hollywood. One of his more memorable moments was
when he basically incinerated the show Crossfire individually, sitting there
between I think it was Paul Begala and Tucker Carlson
(02:11):
back when he wore the bow ties on that program,
and the way he got out of any conversation saying, well,
why don't you go ahead and put your money where
your mouth is and talk about serious subjects. I follow
a show with puppets talking about crank yankers and nah,
and it's a whole. I think Ben Shapiro may have
said at first, Christian Toto says it often clown knows on,
(02:33):
clown knows off, whichever one is most convenient for John Stewart.
The other unintentional irony and comedy of this is where
do the news shows end and where do the comedy
shows begin? Because I find myself laughing a lot more
at the so called straight serious mainstream news, like Jake
Tapper calling a black suspect of the DNC RNC bombings
(02:55):
on January sixth, calling him white, when in fact he
was not white and quite black as a matter of fact.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So I'm laughing at that.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
At MSNBC, Joe Scarborough, this is the best version of
Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Ever and if you disagree, we'll f you. That was
pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And then I watch highlights off because I can't stand
to watch the entire show and they don't pay me
enough to watch it.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
For you.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, Seth Myers, sometimes Jimmy Fallon's okay,
but they're not funny, and they get on there with
like a Rachel Maddow gives us his droll commentary on
Russia collusion. Still Trump is still Putin's puppet. You're going
with that, and it's not funny. So the comedy shows
(03:41):
are not funny. The new shows are and somewhere in between.
John Stewart wins the first ever Walder Cronkite Award for
Comedic News and Commentary and joining Us Now to talk
more about it. He's the host of the Versus Media podcast,
one of the top follows on X at Red Ste's ste.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Z E, Stephen L. Miller, our guest, my friend, and
Steven Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I'd like to be upset about this, but I think
it's kind of a fitting end to the blurred line
of every journalist wishing they were a comedian and every
comedian wishing that.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
They were a newsperson. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, I look at this and I just go, you know, journalists,
actual journalist should be ashamed at this. They should turn
their nose up at this and just be like, this
is an insult to our entire profession. Except they're too
busy trying to be in the same club as John
Stewart and cozying up to him.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And what do you make too.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
There was this exchange the other night between David Letterman
and Jimmy Kimmel, and this goes to your point, Steven,
and it's one that you and I talk about often.
Listen to how David Letterman, who was once funny and
did a really funny show when I was a little
boy watching Late Night with David Letterman in the early
to mid eighties. The top ten list, the pranks, the jokes,
all this is what he's turned into. Now he's the
(04:54):
same age as my father. He's coming up on eighty.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Yeah, people are aware the fact that you are the
leader of the resistance. Again, I am the uh, I
am the total effective leader of the resistance.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
True, true?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Wait will this be televised tonight?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I can never keep track with you.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Getting yanked off.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Well, hold my ways up over.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
There, for God's sake.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Days here Anton would have hit that one, no problem,
thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And speaking of leaders, let me just say one thing here.
I'm gonna I'm gonna suck up to you because I
feel like if I kind of tag along with you,
I will be glorified in retrospect.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And it's kind of like you you just sit there.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
If if if the this is irrespective of the party
or political ideology, irrespective part of your political ideology, if
the leader of.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
The free world is a pool, the leader of.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
The free world then should expect and examine every bit
of ridicule he receives.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I can think of no bigger fool that's ever occupied
the White House Steven than Joe Biden, and yet gloves
were off of him.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, I mean that that comes to be expected. And
again this idea that you know, our late night comedians,
which is just it's late night group therapy for libs.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
That's all it is. I mean, they.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Really there's Jimmy Fallon might be the only one that
I think respects the legacy that he was given. He
does kind of get political, but he tries to keep
things light because he knows that the Tonight show isn't his.
It's something that was passed down through Johnny Carson and
Jay Leto and they all kind of had a reverence
for this thing. And then Stephen Colbert has handed David
(06:51):
Letterman's legacy, and not that Letterman cares apparently, but just
throws it into the toilet to the point where the
show doesn't exist anymore. They turn these shows and kind
of their personal soapboxes. And it's really interesting to go
back and you hear the term clapter, which is it's
just it's not a joke, it's just the host being
self affirmed by the audience clapping for him. And it
(07:14):
really is fascinating to see how this kind of all happened.
And you have Jimmy Kimmel appearing on podcasts with his
wife when they're talking about how they cut people out
of their lives and they don't seem happy because of it.
And I noticed this with Kimmel is it's constant anger,
it's constant rage, and I just think, especially given the
last election, people are.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Just tired of it. They're just over it.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Steven o'miller, I guess read Steez on X Versus Media podcast.
You can subscribe donalald of that on his sub stack
speaking of angry and unhappy, I mean, just listening to
this brings me down. She is a strong nominee for
our Fool of the Week and I wanted you to
hear and respond to it as well, Steve. And this
is Jennifer Welch from the I've Had It podcast. She
gets meaner and nastier and with more vitriol. It seems
(07:57):
with every episode it's like, why would people choose to
watch this? As she addresses Erica Kirk and her deceased
husband who was assassinated three months ago.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
She's abundantly aware of the when you talk about women
and poverty, that black and brown women stick off the
charts more so than white women. This is an intentional
attack on poor women. And this is a dehumanization, all
done in the name of her Lord and savior, Jesus Christ,
(08:29):
which is the exact opposite of what the central character
of the faith of Christianity preached against. So this is
intentional weaponization of her gender and her faith. And she
is a grifter. And just look at the costume changes.
Look at the costume changes, look at the affect and
how she does that. It's while this woman should be
(08:52):
kicked to the curb. She is an absolute grifter, just
like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist, homophobic husband.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Was so many layers to this onion to on peel Steve,
and I'll take one, and that is we always hear
this from the atheistic agnostic at best left lecturing Christians
and how to christian and what their faith is all
about and their Lord and Savior. That gets all pretty quick.
It's just the nastiness that Jennifer Welch has here. She's
gotten quite a bit of a blowback for this though, right, I.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Find it humorous that you know, the Democratic Party and
then I'll obviously the progressive left in media spent this
kind of seven month search looking for their own Joe
Rogan and instead settled on the final boss of Human Resources.
And I just this is, this is basically you could
not create a more you know, avatar from Gozer in
(09:48):
Ghostbusters of what the Democratic Party represents than who Jennifer
Welch is. This is someone who is a millionaire off
of Bravo TV. She doesn't particularly have any insight other
than just lobbying, insults and f bombs. And this is
somebody who again I reference the Democratic Party as the
party of the hector and sister in law, and this
(10:10):
is kind of that person if you had to just
paint that person in your mind, this is who they are.
And this isn't going to win voters back. And you
know something that's interesting to me is she said, you know,
Erica Kirk has to be kicked to the curb, and
she's out. Erica Kirk is out promoting her her dead
husband's book that he finished right before he was murdered,
(10:30):
and it's sold out on Amazon. They cannot keep this
book in stock and so the likelihood of Erica Kirk
being kicked to the curb is highly The chances of
that are very slim.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
She's going to have to get used to her. She's
going to be around, That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Steven L. Miller Versus Media podcast host.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
The comparing contrast that I've been observing here, Steven, between
Representative Marjorie Taylor Green and how she has handled her exodus,
which was expedited by President Trump, and our own representative
Lauren Bolbert right here in Colorado, who had much the
same stance on releasing the Epstein file, standing up for
the victims, standing up in some way to the Trump administration.
(11:12):
She had a private meeting in a skiff. I interviewed
her about that, handled it well and still garnered the
respect of the president and didn't get nasty. MTG chose
a very different path. She's going on the view again
with the same people. We were just talking about the
hectoring sister in laws that you so aptly described. And
(11:32):
this is with Leslie stall On sixty minutes.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Did you surrender? Did Donald Trump run.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You out of town?
Speaker 9 (11:39):
No?
Speaker 10 (11:40):
Not at all, Actually, Leslie, it's more like this is
I said in my statement, I will be no one's
battered wife, and I'm in it and I won't allow
the system to abuse me anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
The leftist media was getting all hot and bothered excited
over Lauren Bolbert taking her stance on the Epstein Files Steven,
and they praised her and they genuflected to her, and
they hope maybe she would kind of team up with
them the way that MTG has. She didn't do that.
She just kind of stood on principle. Why was she
able to figure that out?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Point A and then point B?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Why does MTG think these mainstream media leftist members of
that entire group are suddenly her friends?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
They're not.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I think Bolbert just likes the attention. I think she
likes being in Congress. I think she likes the attention
that she garners both from the party and then also
go from Trump. I think Marjorie Taylor Green's running for president,
and I think that that's pretty obvious.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And I think the lane that she is staking out
is going to be.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The jaded maga is over lane where all America first.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Now we've heard this rheter kind of bubble.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Up, and I think she's trying to stake out the
Tucker Carlson lane in a presidential primary. I don't think
it's going to work very well.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I think she.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Will make some noise, but by kind of moderating her
position both in the media, she's hoping to get favorable
media coverage, because if you get a Jent Van's campaign,
we know how the media is going to go after
him and then kind of build her up.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I don't think she's dumb. I think she's kind of
a loony, but I think she knows this, and I.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Generally think she probably doesn't want to be in Congress anymore.
The writing appears to be on the wall, with the
House possibly tilting next year towards the dams, and it's
no fun to be in the minority when you don't
have power to do anything, and so she could possibly
be staking out a media career. But I look at
this from the standpoint of the media. I look at
(13:38):
kind of all politicians as shameless. But the role the
media plays in this and rehabbing her and kind of
making her eat a pound of sam for all of
her past comments and stuff like that, it really goes
to show you at the lengths that they're going to
go here that if you just simply oppose Donald Trump
on anything, we're going to lionize you and we're going
to welcome you into our green rooms with big, warm
(13:59):
open arms.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
MTG on one side makes a lot of sense. You
might run in a primary for twenty twenty eight against
jd Vance, Marco Rubio, Ron de Santis, who knows who else.
On the other side, Consistently topping the polls for the
Democrats is Patrick Bateman himself from American psycho government governor
Gavin Newsom, who's telling a liberal podcast host here, hey, look,
(14:21):
it's not fair for trans kids to participate in sports.
But I am the most pro trans governor ever. He
is riding the lightning, riding both sides of the fence
on this issue, or trying to.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
We didn't get into transports.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
That's an issue no one wants to hear about because
eighty percent of people listening disagree with my position on this.
But it comes from my heart, not just my head.
It wasn't a political evolution in your position being that
I don't think it's fair. I want to see trans kids.
I have a trans god's son. There's no governor to
sign more pro trans legislation than I have, and no
one has been a strong gravocate for the LGBT comning.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Whatever that was at the very end.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
But Adam Carolla I think sums it up best whenever
he go Afternowsome, because he's followed him for years. He
interviewed him once and absolutely skewered him that this is
a man without principles whatsoever, unmoored to any kind of ethos. Steven,
he says that this position comes from his heart. I
don't know that any position comes from his heart. Gavin
Newsom strikes me as the ultimate chameleon in politics, among
(15:20):
where there are many. What is your take on what
he's trying to do here?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I mean speaking of he's running for president and that's
the most worst kept secret right now in all of
politics and media, and he is he's trying to be
all things to all people. And I talked about this
particular on my episode today which I just published, which
is I think he gave two very real campaign ending
answers in this interview and a friendly interview with Ezra Cline.
(15:47):
And one is he wants universal health care for illegal migrants.
The country's not going to go for that. And then
he said, I want more trans kids. I want trans
kids out here. And then he says, but we have
to kind of, you know.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
It's unfair to women.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But he doesn't say what he's going to do to
keep biological males out.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Of women's sports.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
This was the third most important issue to voters coming
out of this last election, behind immigration and inflation. And
you had a Democratic Party who miscalculated thinking suburban moms were,
you know, all in on abortion, and what turned out
is suburban moms don't want their daughters in locker rooms
of biological males. This is an issue that to me,
is a vote killer. If you cannot trust a member
(16:31):
of a political party on a biological reality that ninety
nine percent of the population holds and is true, they're
in real trouble. And so I do think that these
are two answers. A smart campaign or a smart RNC
party are going to clip these and they're just going
to sit on them and keep them warm for the
next two and a half years. I do believe two
of the answers he gave in this would end a
(16:53):
general election campaign by him.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Stephen's final minute, I'm want to give you a chance
to promote your podcast and tell people exactly what it is,
where it is, and what they can expect. The Versus
Media podcast. You mentioned the episode that just Drop talks
about this Gavin Newsom issue.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Go ahead and tell the people.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
It's o't run sub stack like isn't everybody these days?
It is being infected by former corporate journals, which isn't great.
But I try to stay in an array of topics
associated with media. I'm talking a lot about the fallout
of AI right now as more traditional media kind of
dies off.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
And fades away.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Media naire there's media biases. Obviously, I have a little
bit of kind of a conservatorian bent on there, but
it's more just kind of about the hypocrisy that we see.
It's it's you know, it's not breaking new ground, but
we kind of do things a little you know, I
try to do things a little bit funny, a little
bit more clever.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You talk about Tucker Carlson and the bow tie. That's
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Speaker 11 (19:37):
And we do start with that breaking news. President Trump
says he is pardoning former Bason County clerk Tina Peters
on her state conviction for election interference.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm Karen Lee and I'm.
Speaker 12 (19:47):
Michael Spencer, and a post on his social media side
truth Social, the President wrote, in part quote, Tina is
sitting in a Colorado prison for a crime of demanding
honest elections. Peters is currently serving in nine your state
sentence for allowing unauthorized access to voting machines after.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The twenty twenty election.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
No evidence of widespread election fraud has been proven.
Speaker 11 (20:10):
Governor Polis, reacting tonight in a statement saying, quote, Tina
Peters was convicted by a jury of her Peers, prosecuted
by a Republican district attorney, and in a Republican county
of Colorado found guilty of violating Colorado state laws, including
criminal impersonation. No president has jurisdiction over state law, nor
the power to pardon a person for state convictions. This
(20:33):
is a matter for the courts to decide, and we
will abide by court orders. Your reporter of Sarahebeckwitz, has
been talking to legal experts this evening, and.
Speaker 12 (20:41):
Of course there everybody wants to know what could.
Speaker 13 (20:43):
Come of this, right, I mean, anything can go to court,
So that's kind of the first point here. But right
now Peters is in state custody on state charges. Historically,
presidential pardons have not been understood to include state crimes.
Late last year, Peters was convicted in Colorado on seven charges,
including three counts of attempting to influence a public servant
(21:07):
and one count of conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation. The
Federal Bureau of Prisons asked the State of Colorado to
transfer her to federal custody last month, but police denied it.
Earlier this week, Peter's bid for freedom from a federal
judge as she appeals her state case was also denied.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So I asked.
Speaker 13 (21:26):
Legal experts, if Peters remains in state custody, can the
president grant her a pardon?
Speaker 14 (21:33):
But when it comes to state offenses, pardon power rests
with the governor, and so the governor would have.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
To pardon her in order for it to be legally effected.
Speaker 14 (21:41):
So what we have here is Trump really issuing a
symbolic pardon. It doesn't have legal effect, but could it
effect a social narrative?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Could it have some political dividends for him? Potentially?
Speaker 13 (21:52):
In a letter late last week, Peter's lawyers argued for
the pardon, but acknowledged the issue has never been raised
in court. This isn't the first time Trump has offered
pardons to people accused in state court of trying to
overturn his twenty twenty election loss. That includes his personal lawyer,
Rudy Giuliani. CBS News has reached out to the White
(22:13):
House and Peter's legal representation for comment, and we're waiting
for that response.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Thank you Sarah.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Sarah Herbakowitz, CBS Colorado for the TEENA. Peter Saga continues
with a pardon. Albeit it could be performative, could be symbolic,
could be political by President Trump, it does not necessarily
have an effect of allowing her to be released from
president prison unless the aforementioned Governor Jared Poulis gets on
(22:42):
board and decides to sing Kubaiyan say Okay, well, she's
served enough time and I'm going to beat the bigger person,
and magnanimous doesn't sound like that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
However, this Texter.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Of course, Trump knows he can't pardon Tina, but he's
bringing a lot of awareness to the bad sentencing that
she got. And I believe also he's making a lot
more people aware of Governor Polus because Polus plans to
run for president. Very astute text right there, joining us
now here on six point thirty KL Jimmy Sangenberger, who
has covered this entire case extensively, going back to when
(23:15):
it is being tried in a courtroom, and he's taken
a lot of heat from those on the right that
want to free Tina Peters.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Jimmy, welcome Hey.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Ryan, Thanks brother, And by the way, I should note
I've been covering this closely since the beginning, with my
first column on this calling for Tina Peters to resign
ten days after her office.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Was raided, and this story broke at saying sentators where
you can follow him at Seng Center cen Ter. So, Jimmy,
based on what you just heard President Trump's action on this,
where does it go from here.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
In your mind?
Speaker 8 (23:53):
Well? First, before the break, I listened in a little
bit and I heard you say, does this hold any weight?
Doesn't hold any water? The answer is no both, because first,
it doesn't hold any weight because, as the clip you
just played indicated very clearly, the president of the United
States cannot pardon anybody for state crimes. It doesn't hold
(24:16):
any water because even if he could do that, the
alleged crime that he pardons Tina Peters for here is
nothing of what she was actually convicted of, which included,
as we heard before, the felony counts of attempt to
influence a public servant three of those, and one count
(24:38):
of criminal attempt rather conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation. So
with that in mind, since it holds no weight and
holds no water. I don't think this goes anywhere. In fact,
I think the fans of Tina Peters just had a
big loss today. And here's why I believe Jared Polus
(25:00):
was seriously considering giving Tina Peters over to the Feds
in a transfer to federal authority or granting her clemency
amid the holidays. Now that ship has completely failed because
Trump just put him into a position of having to
dig his heels in. So of anything, Tina Peters now
(25:23):
has less of a shot today than she did this
time yesterday at getting out of prison.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Fascinating perspective, Jimmy, and you may well be right that
if Polus could make it look like this was of
his own accord, like I was just saying that it
came from him, It was an idea that originated in
his own mind, and.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
He looked at this as an issue of fairness.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
And now you're right, with Trump coming out and kind
of forcing his hand, it makes it look like if
he were to do it, it would be capitulating to Trump.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Well, he can't do that.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
The one thing I will say to the Texter's point
following up on this, and it is Stan Kaplis's point,
you shine a brighter spotlight on Jared Pola and his
term as governor here over these now almost eight years,
and you go back to twenty nineteen and the Lakewood
semitruck crash on Interstate seventy in which Rogelle Aguilera Maderos
(26:12):
killed five people, and then Kim Kardashian got in the
ear of Jared Poulis after.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
The ruling and sentencing had been handed out.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
It was severe and knocked that all the way down
to the point where Aguilera Maderos may be eligible for
parole after five years, meaning just one year for per
life that he took after blowing out his brakes and
driving down the mountain anyway and ramming into these people
and setting them on fire, insiderating them instantly. So on
(26:41):
the one hand, you have that commutation of a sentence
by the governor using his discretion in a case that
he can do it, and then on the other hand,
you have this gold star mom and elderly lady sentenced
where many people feel it's a little bit harsh, if
not a lot harsh, to eight plus years for a
crime that did not hurt anybody physically. Can you see
(27:04):
the contrast to compare here, maybe shining a spotlight on
Polis and that might force him politically to make this move.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
Well, I think that again the ship has sailed for
him to make such a move of letting Tina Peters out,
although anything's possible. A couple of thoughts. First, First of all,
it was utterly disgraceful and disgusting for Polish to do
what he did in twenty nineteen. I mean, I like
the vast majority of Colorado's was just absolutely agast at that.
(27:34):
And it does to a point shine a spotlight on
Polis and how he would do something like that but
then not address this with Tina Peters, I suppose. But
there are so many other cases where somebody could point
to and say, well, he commuted this person, but not
this person. And I don't think that kind of a
(27:54):
discussion is appropriate. And for a few different reasons. Number one,
this was in I keep hearing the comparisons to this
or to that case, or to other cases of like, well,
this person who attacked somebody physically or killed somebody had
this treatment in say Denver County. We're talking about Republican
(28:15):
Mesa county with a district attorney in Dan Rubinstein, who's
a law and order guy. Why are we holding him
to the standard of the lost and saying, oh, you
shouldn't have done this. That's absurd. Secondly, Keina Peters will
be eligible for parole in early twenty twenty eight, that
is a little more than two years from now, after
(28:37):
having served three and a half years behind bars, three
years in prison, six months in jail. Now that means
but before all of the a lot of these appeals
or some of the legal battles are over, she could
be out. And finally, the whole notion we keep hearing
Ryan that Tina Peters is dealing with health is used
(29:00):
in prison and so forth. There is a process called
special needs parole which is set up in state law
for inmates in exactly that kind of a position to
go through to get out early because of medical needs.
And she has not filed that. Her attorneys if not
talked about it. Instead they go to the president, and
(29:21):
in some respects, I feel like you have a Kim
Kardashian situation here of people getting in the President's ear
and saying similar things to what Kim Kardashian did to
try and get a pass for him in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Interesting take from a guy that's covered this story from
the very beginning. Tina Peters still incarcerated. President Trump issuing
our federal pardon, but again it has no bearing on
a state sentence, and her fate is likely at the
tender mercies of Governor Jared Poulis one way or another.
Ultimately follow him on x at Saying Center, scnng CE,
(29:56):
and teer writing for The Gazette both op eds and
and columns. As an investigative reporter, Jimmy does it all,
including filling in on this program.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Jimmy Sangenberger. Always appreciate your time.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Thanks brother. I have a good weekend, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You as well. We'll take this time out.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
We'll come back and reveal our Fool of the Week
after these words.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Winding things down for the hour.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Representative Benny Thompson Kentucky State Reps. Sarah Stoker, Representative Jasmine Crockett.
All worthy nominees for our Fool of the Week, but
nobody could hold a candle to the vitriol, the venom,
and the sheer evilness of Jennifer Welch talking about Erica Kirk.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
She's abundantly aware of the when you talk about women
and poverty, that black and brown women stick off the
charts more so than white women. This is an intentional
attack on poor women. And this is a dehumanization, all
done in the name of her Lord and savior Jesus Christ,
(31:04):
which is the exact opposite of what the central character
of the faith of Christianity preached against. So this is
intentional weaponization of her gender and her faith. And this
she is a grifter. And just look at the costume changes.
Look at the costume change, just look at the affect
and how she does that. It's wild. This woman sho'd
(31:27):
be kicked to the curb. She is an absolute grifter,
just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist,
homophobic husband.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Was talk about Charlie Kirk, who was assassinated a little
over three months ago. Jennifer Wells, congratulations, you got it,
because the I've Had It podcast is a grift unto itself.
Are full of the week, go into your text. Some
mixed reactions on Jimmy Sangenberger. This one's starting. Jimmy is
so wrong. Another one, Jimmy Sangenberger can shove it where
(31:58):
the sun don't shine nine efing words. I think I
meant years for Tina Peters is BS and Jimmy knows it.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Jimmy is so woke, says work here. I don't know
about this part though.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Take Peters out by force, arrest Griswold and put her
in a federal prison. Take out Polus, What do you
mean take out? I don't want to take anybody out,
except not for dinner. And if you're gonna say that,
you say it on the air. Shannon Scott the Golden Corral.
Perhaps I think Polus might be a.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Fen Okay, all right, bad. We do not.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Advocate for political violence on this show now or ever,
nor have I ever, nor would I ever. Got to
beat them at the ballot box, got to defeat them
in the arena of ideas. We don't want to be
like them in advocating for violence. And that goes to
this post from Jeff Hunt, who I am a fan
of Good Guy Radio, hosting his own right on a
(32:55):
competitor's station, and he asked the question. Now, he's just
asking the question, but I don't know if it should
be asked this way, says should Donald Trump use force
to free Tina Peters.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So far, it's about sixty.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Forty no, and Jimmy replied, Wow, Jeff, the fact that
you are even suggesting this as a serious possibility is
extraordinary and beyond the pale disappointing doesn't even begin to
cover it.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We can't go down that road, folks.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
We can't just throw a temper tantrum because we don't
get our way and then resort to whatever this is
being suggested to remove Tina Peters by force.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
We have to go through the.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Proper legal channels or we know better than them who
we claim to compete against.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And I want to fight, and I want to fight hard.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
But that's the nature of the game of politics, and
I want to do things the right way, or at.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Least do my level best.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And that's what I've done for you here this hour.
Thanks to Shannon Scott for pulling it all together. My
thanks as well to Steven L. Miller for joining us
during this hour, and Jimmy Sangenberger will take this time out.
Stay tuned top of the hour, more still to come.
You're listening to X thirty K House
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