Stephen L. Miller, host of the Versus Media podcast, joins Ryan with his thoughts, analysis, and reflections on the wild week that was in the wake of President Trump's targeted strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities and reserves, and the resulting tenuous ceasefire between the Islamic republic and Israel that was violated by both parties in its early stages.
Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) / X (twitter.com)
Versus Media by Stephen L. Miller | Substack
Valerie Leal, a parental rights advocate who testified against HB25-1312, comments on a big victory for Camp IdRaHaJe in settling a religious lawsuit fighting for their religious liberty against the controversial new law requiring employers and businesses to accommodate an individual's gender identity in public spaces. What does this mean for other faith-based camps, businesses, and institutions in Colorado?
Christian camp settles federal lawsuit against Colorado Department of Early Childhood over gender separation rules - CBS Colorado
Christian camp settles lawsuit against Colorado Department of Early Childhood - YouTube
Val L on X: "I want everyone to remember that that the CDEC made it very clear that they had no intention of notifying parents that their children would be bunked based on gender and not biological sex. All the local heat, partnered with the @ADFLegal lawsuit and @AAGDhillon noting that she" / X
Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) / X (twitter.com)
Versus Media by Stephen L. Miller | Substack
Valerie Leal, a parental rights advocate who testified against HB25-1312, comments on a big victory for Camp IdRaHaJe in settling a religious lawsuit fighting for their religious liberty against the controversial new law requiring employers and businesses to accommodate an individual's gender identity in public spaces. What does this mean for other faith-based camps, businesses, and institutions in Colorado?
Christian camp settles federal lawsuit against Colorado Department of Early Childhood over gender separation rules - CBS Colorado
Christian camp settles lawsuit against Colorado Department of Early Childhood - YouTube
Val L on X: "I want everyone to remember that that the CDEC made it very clear that they had no intention of notifying parents that their children would be bunked based on gender and not biological sex. All the local heat, partnered with the @ADFLegal lawsuit and @AAGDhillon noting that she" / X
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We make your papers on it, Markville, maybe we're going
to do papers.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
If you need him. They're not going to be fighting
each other.
Speaker 4 (00:06):
They've had it.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
They've got a big fight, like two kids at a
school yard. You know, they fight like hell, you can't
stop them. Let him fight for about two three minutes.
Then it's easy to stap them.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And then daddy has sometimes language.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
School, and everyone's saying, you have to use a certain word.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
I think now that is drawing a lot of response
and reaction. The NATO Secretary Mark Ruthe, the Dutch guy
who currently runs NATO, calling President Trump daddy, but in
the context of what Israel and Iran are doing in
the weak of the ceasefire agreement, the kids are fighting.
Trump's use that analogy. Daddy's home, He's not happy, he's angry.
(00:44):
He's going to drop an F bomb that he have
congressional authorization for the F bomb, don't.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Know, don't know, Probably didn't.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
And then, of course, the media, seizing upon this opportunity,
asks Donald Trump about the NATO Secretary general calling him
daddy to the.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
NATO chief, who is your friend? He called you daddy earlier?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Do you regard your NATO allies as kind of children. No,
he likes me.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I think he likes me. If he doesn't, I'll let
you know. I'll come back and I'll hit him hard.
Speaker 7 (01:16):
Okay, he did it, very affectionate.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Daddy, you're my daddy.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Well, our next guest, he likes it when you call
him big poppy, I think.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
And he's Steven L. Miller.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
He's the host of the Versus Media podcast, keeping a
very sharp lens on the media coverage of all this,
and he joins us on The Roskeominski Show.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Ryan Schuling filling in.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Stephen, welcome your response to Donald Trump being called daddy.
Speaker 8 (01:43):
I'm just shocked that Democrats haven't and teached him yet
overdropping an ILLICITAF bomb without congressional approval.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Well, it's interesting this response over the last twenty four hours.
I was commenting on this off air before I was
filling in today for.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Just about how the media is looking to spike.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
The football about Well, you might not have totally damaged
or obliterated, to use President Trump's word, the nuclear facilities
in Iran, and then Representative Jason Crowe was asked about
that and he seemed to ever so slightly, maybe maybe
back away from the intel assessments, which he assures Kate
Baldwin that he.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Saw several members of Congress, is that how they were
reporting it, including full committees? Have seen or have access
to this report?
Speaker 9 (02:31):
Have you seen it yet?
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Have you had a chance to?
Speaker 9 (02:35):
I have, And I'm not going to speak to this
specific intelligence So all I'm going to say is that
Donald Trump has a long history of distorting and you know,
putting his own take on US intelligence assessments regardless of
what it actually says. And you know, we are going
to see in the days and weeks to come the
truth and the reality of these reports in these assessments.
(02:55):
But Donald Trump's you know, continued distortions about what happened
and what didn't have and you know that's.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
What he does.
Speaker 9 (03:02):
He continues to just do whatever he wants to do,
which is unfortunate because I went to war three times
for this country.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I went to Iraq and.
Speaker 9 (03:09):
Afghanistan deployed as an army ranger, and frankly, we spent
twenty years and trillions.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Of dollars at war as a nation.
Speaker 9 (03:17):
Because the politics drove that decision instead of the intelligence.
It's a very dangerous position to be in.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Representative Jason Crow from right here in the sixth Congressional
District of Colorado accusing Trump of distorting intel assessments. But
Steve and I seem to recall some intel assessments that
were based on a Steele Dosia used to obtain FISA
warrants that didn't turn out very well.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
Yeah, the important thing to pay attention to with this
stuff is who's doing the reporting in this morning You
even have Morning Joe of all people out there warning
about these stories and the leagues that are coming. And
the primary reporter that pushed this is Natasha Bird trying
to CNN. She was the reporter at Political at the
time that pushed the fifty Intel letter that Hunter Biden's
(04:03):
laptop was not real, it was a Russian operation. And
then of course she kind of made her name with
some of the steel dots the A leagues. So when
you see that kind of track record, you kind of
get an idea of who her sources are and likely,
you know, the Biden adjacent intelligence officials. And so when
these are some people who still haven't had security clearance
of leak and so you have to be skeptical when
(04:25):
you see that kind of track record, and I see
these things that I'm and I guess I'm probably more
in tune than just the average normany listener viewer.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But that's what I see.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
When I see this person's name attached. I kind of
write it off, and I guess I look at it,
and I also say, so, what like if we only
set the warm nucular capabilities back by a few months.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Okay, well, we'll see you again in a few months.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
And one of the things that the story doesn't assess
is the fact that we might not have hit all
of their reactors, but we did knock out most of
their developmental capabilities.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
And that's something that isn't being.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
Assessed in this league, and that's something that would set
these this regime back by years, maybe even decades.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Follow him on x at red Stea's He is a
must follow on that platform, in my opinion, and you
could subscribe to his substack, listen to his podcast Versus
Media as well, where he tackles a lot of these
issues in much greater detail. This one you had pointed
out on your ex feed, Steven, and I found it
amusing as well. Aaron Burnett just casually remarking to Dana
(05:29):
Bash on CNN about protesters in Tehran being friendly to
CNN despite what they were chanting.
Speaker 10 (05:35):
But the question is whether or not the comm can
remain when the regime is that is still there, who
wants death to America, debt to Israel stays in place.
And that is part of the discussion, right.
Speaker 11 (05:49):
Yes, absolutely part of the discussion. And you know, I
remember Dan at one point being in Tehran years ago
and they're chanting death to America all around me, even
as I say, oh, I'm an American reporting for CNN,
and they were happy to speak to me. So those
two is sort of jarring realities of the chant and
yet the friendliness have existed together together.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Steve, I mean, this is the equivalent of fiery but
mostly peaceful death to America.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Chance, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Don't fight it shocking at all.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
The people who are chanting death to America are very
friendly with people at CNN. That's one of the least
shocking developments that's recent history. But yeah, this is kind
of CNN's What's funny is there really is a protest
contingent inside the borders of Iran that don't want this
regime and I think that that's going to be up
to them, it's not going to be up to us
if that changes. And here's CNN not promoting that contingent
(06:43):
there instead promoting the fire, like you said, fiery but
mostly peaceful, death to America people. And it's reminiscent of
what John Kerry said when they were trying to facilitate
this nuclear deal that would have triangulated Israel into a
two state solution. Is they were trying to get port
for the Iran deal up. And so John Carey once said,
(07:04):
you know, the debt to America chan is only intended
for a domestic political audience.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Only, and it's not intended for the rest of the world.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
And so it's there's no real parcing of this. And
this is what I always kind of find funny is that,
you know, the people who find nuance in a circle
game and the people who see white supremacy everywhere tell
us that we have to attach certain political nuances to
sayings like death to America and globalize the intafata.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Steven el Miller often does this. He leads me right
into another cliff.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
You mentioned the name John Kerry, the former Secretary of State,
former candidate for president nominee by the Democratic Party. Former
Senator from the state of Massachusetts, John Kerry on with
Chris John a'manpoor CNN, and he talks about here the
enormous risk of regime change in Iran and whether that
concerns him.
Speaker 12 (07:52):
Oh, I think that's an enormous risk. I think it's
beyond the risk. It's the greater likelihood because they're the
people with guns, with the military power, And if you
look at Evan prison and the way people have been treated.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And so forth, we.
Speaker 12 (08:06):
Know that these guys haven't been natural good actors in
so many ways, you know. I think that what's important here.
I mean, none of us who've been involved in this
over the years look happily at the choices that Iran
has made, feeding the power of Hesmola, the houtis, supporting
(08:27):
Hamas and engaging in internal activities that we inherently really
find repugnant. But we have to find a way to
try to solve the problem. That's what we did with
President Obama.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
So in spite of all these things that he mentions
and acknowledges Steven that Iran was doing, Obama had it
handled with the Iran nuclear deal.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
What's to look at here?
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, he was handling it. Like I said, I'm
kind of always of the belief that Obama was attempting
to facilitate it nuclear weapon with Iran and that was
to be used pressure Israel into a two state solution
with Palestine and the Gaza strip And all you have
to do is kind of look at Obama's own comments
and his personal history on this topic to see that
(09:14):
that's not so far fetched. It is interesting to me
that the CNN's and network who you know, when something
like this goes down, they're so reflexively anti Trump to
whatever he does that we're going to bring on the
guy who was mostly responsible for the fact that I
ran ticked up to this moment that was going to
have to be dealt with eventually. And now they're even
(09:34):
bringing on joy Read. They saw Joey Reads and sanity
at MSNBC and decided that they needed to.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Get in on some of that.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
And that's kind of what that network does, regardless of facts,
regardless of nuanced This is a network that is so
just anti reflexibly anything that this president does, which some good,
some is bad, but they have to jump into the
aid to twenty pool in the minority side of public
stance on any of these issues, these Iran strights were
wildly popular. This is a country that's you know, kind
(10:03):
of been the thumb in our eye for the last
forty five years, and no one's you know, talking about
a ground invasion, No one's talking about World War three here.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
This is something that had to be.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Done because of the incompetence of the previous past two
democratic administrations.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Steven el Miller our Guests Versus Media podcast. He is
the host and I appreciate his time today. You mentioned
the networks having difficulty trying to navigate coverage of this.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
In many ways, they're rooting.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Against its success, saying, oh, it's just a few months
that they set this back, this leak. The source on
the Intel reports are telling us that, so don't give
Donald Trump and our military too much credit. This really
drew the ire of President Trump, who, as you know,
Stephen was in rare form yesterday morning, dropping the F
bomb beforementioned and then lighting into ms DNC as he
(10:51):
calls it in CNN.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Right here, and you know, the fake news like CNN
in particular, they're trying to you know, they're trying to say, well,
I agree that it was destroyed. Maybe not that just right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know what they're doing.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
They're really hurting great pilots that put their lives in
the line. CNN has scum and so is MSCNC. They're
all and frankly, the networks aren't much better the golf fixers.
But they should not have done that by those pilots
hit their targets. Those targets were obliterated, and the pilots
should be given threadit.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yes, okay, you get that from the president, and a
lot of people make fun of his whole fake news
characterization of the media, but they keep playing into it, Steven,
with every step they take.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
Yeah, a lot of this is you know, a lot
of this is the game that Trump plays for his
base to kind of rev them up.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But Trump is also kind of the.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Guy that when he needs to get a narrative out,
he's on the phone with every single one of these networks,
whether it's ABC, CNN, CBS. He did this with his
tip shall we call it, with Elon Musk as well as.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
The Iran strikes. He was on the phone to.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Dana Bash at CNN the very next morning, and.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
We know that if you know, Maggie Haberman of the
New York Times, what's in her story that a source
close to Trump, we know that that's Trump on speed dial.
And so a lot of this is kind of the.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Game that they played back and forth. But you are
right in the sense that they do take the ban
on a lot of this stuff because the view is
lashing out of them as a badge of honor.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So there is this.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Strollish kind of relationship between the two. So when Trump does,
you know, he takes the truth and if he calls
out a reporter by name, the reporter uses that and
then they take it in the frame it for their office.
And you know, I've always been kind of one, right,
I kind of think the president should be above a
lot of that. But I realize that a lot of
his voters they love this, They eat this stuff up,
and it's it is just kind of who he is
(12:38):
at this point. And we've been dealing with it for
ten years.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And not only that, we see the aftermath of how
the media covered Joe Biden and these sudden epiphanies that
Chuck Todd and Jake Tapper have you Yeah, exactly, And
I just want to touch on a couple of these
in a remarkable exchange where the meme of Bruce willis
from die Hard looking down saying welcome to the party.
Pal applies. Here's Jake Tapper replying to Chuck Todd, who
(13:05):
said the original sin for him was Joe Biden running
in the first place in twenty twenty, with all these
family problems going on that none of us knew about.
Speaker 13 (13:12):
Somebody close to the family told us and said, this
is in the book that everybody knows. You know some
of the family aphorisms like you know my word as
a Biden or you know, et cetera, et cetera. A
lesser known Biden family saying is don't call a fat
person fat, And by that they mean it's not about being,
it's not about politeness. It's about hiding truths, not acknowledging truths.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And this person close to the family.
Speaker 13 (13:38):
Suggested that there are lots of truths that the family
did not want to face up to. One bo is dying,
two Hunter is addicted to drugs. Three Joe Biden cares
about his family more than he cares about anything else,
and those three are not true this family, this person
(14:01):
close to the family said, and that's when you talked
about his running in twenty twenty. I think that comes
to bear because obviously he was putting his ambition and
if you want to be charitable, his hopes to save
the country from trump Ism or whatever. Obviously was putting
that above what was going on with his family and
(14:22):
his two children and their struggles.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I'll take things we knew back in twenty twenty for
one thousand, Alex and Steven Jake Tapper trying to do
some revisionist history here, maybe some cleanup on Aisle nine,
saving face. Is he getting any of that done?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
No, And anyone who's listening to me know, this is
kind of.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
My main topic of the moment. Every time he talks,
he does more damage to the fact that they did
ignore Joe Biden's condition for four years, and they did
try to just kind of write this off, and their
hope was to just kind of drag his bones across
the finish line so they could swear Kamala Harrison on Juneteenth.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And one of the things share that's not mentioned, it's
only mentioned.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
About a paragraph in Jake Tapper's book, is this is
a president who refused to acknowledge a granddaughter for the
duration of his presidency, just flat out acknowledge their seventh
granddaughter because you know, Hunter Biden found it to be inconvenient.
And it's the president where if he was a man
of character, if he was a decent man, if as
a family man, he would have grabbed that little pipsqueak
degenerate by his ear and told him to get out
(15:24):
there and support his children. And instead we didn't have that.
We had Joe Biden write in her book, you know,
dedicating it to her six grandkids. And this is a
story that the media absolutely refused to touch until Marine
Dawd wrote one op ed about it, and then they
released a press release to People magazine.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
This is a perfect.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Example of again Jake Tapper likes to use the term
we just missed the story of buying the climb. Sorry,
we didn't see it until the debate, when we all
saw it for four years, including Lark Trump, which is
rightfully been thrown kind of back in his face. But
this is this is a media who coddled him and said, well,
we can't ask sensitive questions. They did a week long
news cycle of Donald Trump walking slowly down a ramp,
(16:04):
including bringing on several neurologists, so we see how these
rules bend and shift depending on who's in office.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
And then finally the coup of gra Here Chuck Todd
just wondering aloud if the last forty years of Joe
Biden was all alive.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Look, I mean, you know you and I covered you know,
for most of our professional lives. The story of Joe
Biden was this guy cared about his family so much
he commuted home every night from Washington.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Now here's by the way, here's the by the way.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You know what else you could say is this man
was so ambitious right after his family just went through
that tragedy. He commuted every day to work, right Like,
it's the same story.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So he had his narrative, he's had his sen or helper.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And I don't I sit here.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I look at this and the and and and I
think where we sold a forty year bill of goods?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Stephen was Chuck Todd hoodwinked, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
The reason they're doing this is the kind of you know,
localized a blast radius and try to minimize the blast radius.
And the fallout of what we learned about Biden post debate,
and then why he's forced to drop out, and then
in the coming months we're going to learn exactly how
bad this was, which all leads to who was actually
running the country. And what you have here are two
guys who are paid to inform people, that is their
(17:18):
job as supposed you know, newsmen and network journalists, and
they're the least informed guys in the room. They have
they have the memory of a goldfish.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Every time they.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
Wonder aloud a point to one another. And again, the
reason for this, and the reason for Jake Tapper's book,
is to make sure that we don't blame the media
for this or that they were not a part of this,
when we have several instances that proved they were part
of this. And this is Chuck Tod's way of doing that.
It's a way of protecting journalists, protecting the mainstream media,
and only putting this on a handful of people inside
(17:49):
Biden world. And the reason they're able to do this
because that that orange is dried up. Biden's has cancer,
He's probably not gonna be with us for very much longer.
Jill Biden's not running for senate Hunter Biden's, you know,
and the drug addle degenerates you know, the media can't
get anything out of him like they could Chelsea Clinton,
and that's why they find that it's really easy to
do this as opposed to say if this was the
(18:09):
Obama family.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You can hear a lot more on his Versus Media podcast.
Subscribe to his substack, follow him on x at red
Ste's That's ste Ze, Stephen L. Miller making his home
right here in Colorado and keeping an eye on the
national media.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Stephen, great stuff. As always, thank you so much for
your time.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Thanks Ryan anytime five seven, seven, three nine to react
to anything that you heard so far. In today's program,
we starved with Scott Jennings, we continued with Steven L.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Miller.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
We had Laura Thomas in between, and coming up next
Valerie Layoll. She is a parental rights advocate and a
big win for Camp Idra Hodgie and their religious liberty
lawsuitcase against Colorado's Department of Early Childhood over gender separation rules.
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Speaker 14 (20:36):
Colorado Christian camp has settled a lawsuit filed earlier this
year gets a Department of Early Childhood.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
The lawsuit was initially filed in response to the state's
requirement related to gender identity.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Camp Ibra Hodge reached.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
A settlement agreement with the Department of Early Childhood. It
states that the department will not cite, suspend, or revoke
the camp's license for not following new rules that would
otherwise require a camp to allow campers to use the
facilities that align with their gender identity. Initially, Camp Irahadji
stated that they were denied a religious exemption for these
(21:09):
new guidelines. However, a spokesperson for the Department of early
childhood states, none of their gender identity regulations have ever
been applied to or been in forced against childcare providers
that are religious in nature.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
This developing story overnight CBS Colorado Channel four locally in
Denver with the story there and joining me now, Valerie Leal.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
She's supported the.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Opposition and testified at the Colorado General Assembly against House
Built twenty five thirteen twelve, which would eventually be passed
through the Assembly and signed into law by Governor Jared Poulis.
You can follow her on x at super of my home.
Val thank you so much for your.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Time, Thanks for having me Ryan.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Your reaction to what you just heard, well, you know.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I've been pretty in dept with this since it came out.
When the lawsuit was announced, watched the rule hearing back
from back in December, connected with one of our legislators
to figure out what was happening and whereas they see
it as a huge victory for Christian camps and religious
camps altogether. What I find interesting is that it appears
(22:20):
that the CDC is trying to cover their tracks for
their initial reaction to Idra Hodgi's request for an exemption.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Somebody questions in the wake of this too. Because this
is one case and some people might view it as
a one off for Camp Idra Hadgi, are there far
reaching implications? Meaning would every single other faith based camp
out there that does not want to adhere to this
stipulation that wants a religious exemption have to file on
(22:49):
their own behalf? Or does this kind of set the
standard for everybody else in the state of Colorado.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Well, so, if I understanding based off reading the final
rule dot com, there's nothing listed in there that specifically
outlines that religious institutions are exempt from these policy changes.
So my understanding is if you want to be exempt
from this, you have to file your own exemption. I don't,
based off the rule reading, believe that this is going
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to be a carte blanche blanket protection for religious camps
Camp Idrahgi.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I'd rather have Jesus as what it is short for
is the camp being discussed in this matter. Joining me
is Valerie Layol, and she has testified, as I mentioned,
against House built twenty five thirteen twelve, recognizing transgender rights,
but even so doing forcing in public spaces this acknowledgement
and accommodation to be made, which would have included camp Idrahagie,
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had they not raised objection to this meaning housing those
who identify as the opposite gender with the gender they
identify as. Now, there's another case pending on behalf of
a lot Allience Defending Freedom regarding a field trip in Jeffco.
You made this point val in a post on X
that harming Dylan had eyes on Colorado and on.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
That case in particular.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And this is addressed as a concern of mine which
I kind of alluded to in my opening question for you,
which is camp Idra Hodgi is one thing. I was
hoping that case would go to the Supreme Court and
there'd be a similar ruling in favor of religious liberty
that we saw with Jack Phillips and Masterpiece Cake Shop
with Laurie Smith and three L three creative that would
get the trifecta apparently that we need in Colorado. We
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keep having to go back to this well on this
very same issue. Take us through your thoughts on where
the Alliance Defending Freedom case stands as camp Idra Hodgi
settles its lawsuit.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
I think it helps maybe set some precedence, but unfortunately
the case that you corresponding to is a Jacal Public
School outdoor lab camp that they do.
Speaker 12 (24:58):
Now.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
An interesting aspect with that is is that the Department
of Ed has filed an investigation on that particular case
here in JEFCO. So I believe that the Idrahaji win
can set some evidence for that case and hopefully in
conjunction with the investigation that the Department of Ed with
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the DOJ has filed into that outdoor lab case. My
hope is maybe then we can finally have resolution of
this and parents can stop fearing sending their children to
camps or entrusting them to individuals who want to force
them into spaces with individuals that are not of the
same biological sex.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Paralel writes ABOc at Valerie Lal, joining us that we
heard and this was a conversation that Governor Polis had
about thirteen twelve, and it left a tremendous loophole or
blind spot in my view in terms of how Governor
Polis applied this logic in signing thirteen twelve and what
it left open to interpretation. Kind of what we're talking
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about here uncharted waters. There's not a real definition here
as to who's exempt and why they would be exempt,
and is it religious organizations and would it be across
the board? But Governor Polis basically stated, Hey, in your
own home, you can say whatever you want and you racist, homophobic,
da da da da.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But in the workplace you can't do that. There are
rules against that.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
But that doesn't cover everything and everybody else like a
Jack Phillips at Masterpiece Cake Shop, a case that had
been adjudicated by the Supreme Court of the United States
in terms of public spaces, And do accommodations have.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
To be made?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
And do people who have religious liberty exemptions or objections?
Are they to be coerced into adhering to the gender
identity of an individual? Where does it go from here?
Where does it stand? And how much does thirteen twelve
being signed into law.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Have to do with it?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Well?
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I think that the way they went about with Ajra
Hagi is they took a law that was passed last
year SB twenty four oh seven to one that forth
licensure and interestingly enough, they started the stakeholding process for
this policy change before the bill was even signed, so
the CDec was planning this being implemented. I think thirteen
twelve bolstered their ability to push that through, and I
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am very grateful to Jennifer say xxy because she's taking
that very exact angle and saying that because she's a
Colorado based business, that thirteen twelve prohibits her from being
able to do business because the core of her business
states men are biological men and women are biological women.
And so I think that that will be the decider here.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And then there's a.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Couple of organizations that actually filed to against thirteen twelve.
I think people are fighting back. I think businesses are
tired of sitting down and taking it. I think none
of us believe pol Us anymore. He's very good at
making us stay silent, like he did during COVID, And
I'm hopeful that people are finally breaking out and saying
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this and pasts. My business impacts my one A rights,
This impacts my ability to raise my child the way
that I d my child should be raised, and the
governor can't tell me to do otherwise.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Follow her on ex super of my home, Valerie lay
all our guest. Just a final thought here from you,
Veil as people continue to watch, and I'm glad you
brought up the Jennifer sa xxx y athletics case that.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Is working its way through the courts.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
We mentioned the Alliance Defending Freedom case on behalf of
those involved with the field trip, in which a trans
identifying student was to be housed in the same hotel
room as a young girl. So as we watch both
those cases proceed, as we watch what just happened in
Camp Igrahaji being granted this religious exemption.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Are these laws?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Are these regulations that are on the books in Colorado?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Do you believe they're on thin ice? Where does it
go from here?
Speaker 6 (28:52):
I am actually very hopeful that if we locally cannot
push back on the constitutionality of these laws, that we
do have a DOJ that is very interested in protecting
our rights, and they've already signaled multiple times that they
are keeping a close eye in Colorado. I think it's
just a matter of time before all of these both
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have to be rolled back or you will have our
funding pulled at the least for some of our programs.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Parental rights advocate Valerie Leel joining us here today to
open the program Veil, thank you so much for your time,
but more importantly, thank you for all the hard work
that you're doing on the front lines of this issue.
I appreciate you personally. I know a lot of our
listeners do as well.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Thank you so much, Ryan, I appreciate your show.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Yeah, your thoughts on the tip of the Iceberg argument
for Camp Eider Hadji. But they set the precedent for
future decision to be made as it pertains to these
transgender individual rights and whether or not organizations businesses must
adhere to must acknowledge those identities and conform their policy
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to fit them. That is the question before everyone out
there here in Colorado five seven seven three nine. You're
text wrapping it all up with that. There is one
member of Congress from the state of Colorado who voted
along with the insane Al Green not the famous R
and B soul singer that Shannon and I both love,
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but the Caine wielding maniac who interrupted President Trump's address
to the Joint Session of Congress earlier this year and
decided to file articles of impeachment and have that voted
upon on the.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
House floor yesterday.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
There are four Democratic members of the House from the
state of Colorado, which one voted along with him and
the insane squad to impeach.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Think about it.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
I'll give you the answer when we come back wrapping
up Ryan Schuling live on this Wednesday after this.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That's the real al Green.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
That's the one I recognize and sham and does too,
the Detroit connection.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
If anybody knows motown, it's Shannon yours truly. But no,
not that Algreen.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
We're talking about the lunatic Algreen with the caine and
the shouting and the interrupting and the address of the
Joint Change Session of Congress by President Trump and he
filed articles of impeachment over the strikes against Iran yesterday. Yeah,
Democrats a gang. They can't shoot straight, they can't make
(31:28):
up their minds. You know, how do they defeat or
bring down President Trump? This is so tired, This is
so old, This is so cliched.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You can't do it. You couldn't beat the Orange Man.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
You threw everything in the book at him. You tried
to impeach him twice, you tried all the law fare
in the world.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You tried everything, and it didn't work. And this is
gonna stick.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I mean, just as a matter of sheer political pride,
you would think, you know, unless we got something solid, no, no, no,
no goes to a vote of the House and three
forty four to seventy nine, it was voted down.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (32:02):
While every Republican was like, this is nonsense. But even
on the Democratic side, only seventy nine of the Democrats
voted to joy L. Green in his madness. That included
every member of the squad one hundred and twenty eight
Democrats joining the Republicans saying that no, we're.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Not going to die in this hill.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
But one representative in Congress from the state of Colorado
joined the fray of the crazies.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Who was it?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Was it Diana Degett in the first congressional district? Was
it Joe Nogose in District number two? Was it my representative?
So proud Jason Crow, the army ranger. And if you
didn't know that, he'll be sure to tell you. He's
one of those guys weird. So many veterans I know, most,
if not close to all veterans I know, never do
they ever threw up their service into your face, or
(32:52):
when you thank them for it, they're very humble about it,
and they say it was my privilege to serve, It
was my honor to serve. No, no, no, not Jason, I
was an Army ranger. I was in Afghanistan. I was
in a rock.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Aren't I awesome? You're awesome? I acknowledged the start, But
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Stop?
Speaker 5 (33:07):
And then District seven Brittany Petterson, who is breastfeeding or
doing crazy stuff on the house floor. Apparently her husband,
who is some kind of Beta mail. His name is
Ian SILVERI executive director of Progress Now Colorado.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I thought he wanted to progress.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
I thought the man could stay home take care of
the kids.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, he doesn't have time.
Speaker 14 (33:26):
Okay, when I think about I know you've touched on
this a little bit through the questions today, but around
the independence of the Federal Reserve, your job, no matter
what president you served under a Republican or Democrat, was
to make sure that this was not a political position
while you brought I news that some would not be
(33:50):
happy about, because.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, I'm not happy about the fact she's using her
child as a prop.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Where's her husband? Don't know he had time for a.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Photo op outside the Capitol family shot.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Here we go. Owen Mills style By can't be bothered
to look out for the kid.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
By the way, Britney Peterson's making what one hundred and
seventy seven grand a year off the taxpayer dime. She
can't afford daycare, which I might add looked it up.
That's provided for members of the House and of Congress.
But no, she's got to continue this political charade. But
Noah wasn't Britney Petterson. It was Shannon Guess al right,
Diana de Gette, who should have lost to Valdemar Archiletta.
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She voted to impeach Donald tru I mean, just madness,
so credit, I guess, backhanded compliment to Joe No Goose,
Jason Crow, Britney Petterson for at least being sane enough
not to join with those lunatics.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Now for her to rank in order.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Preference for the four Democrats in the House representing the
state of Colorado, Deget's last. She's terrible, She's abysmal. She's
the worst. The way she talked to Valdemar just so condescending.
Jo No Goose is the least bad. I'll say that
the two in the middle gun to my head.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
What am I gonna say?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Jason Crow served our country, so I guess he's a
little less bad than Brittany Petterson. Making a spectacle out
of her young one. So there you have it. Well,
take this break for today. I'll talk to you again
tomorrow on Ryan Schuling Live
We make your papers on it, Markville, maybe we're going
to do papers.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
If you need him. They're not going to be fighting
each other.
Speaker 4 (00:06):
They've had it.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
They've got a big fight, like two kids at a
school yard. You know, they fight like hell, you can't
stop them. Let him fight for about two three minutes.
Then it's easy to stap them.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And then daddy has sometimes language.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
School, and everyone's saying, you have to use a certain word.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
I think now that is drawing a lot of response
and reaction. The NATO Secretary Mark Ruthe, the Dutch guy
who currently runs NATO, calling President Trump daddy, but in
the context of what Israel and Iran are doing in
the weak of the ceasefire agreement, the kids are fighting.
Trump's use that analogy. Daddy's home, He's not happy, he's angry.
(00:44):
He's going to drop an F bomb that he have
congressional authorization for the F bomb, don't.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Know, don't know, Probably didn't.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
And then, of course, the media, seizing upon this opportunity,
asks Donald Trump about the NATO Secretary general calling him
daddy to the.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
NATO chief, who is your friend? He called you daddy earlier?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Do you regard your NATO allies as kind of children. No,
he likes me.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I think he likes me. If he doesn't, I'll let
you know. I'll come back and I'll hit him hard.
Speaker 7 (01:16):
Okay, he did it, very affectionate.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Daddy, you're my daddy.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Well, our next guest, he likes it when you call
him big poppy, I think.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
And he's Steven L. Miller.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
He's the host of the Versus Media podcast, keeping a
very sharp lens on the media coverage of all this,
and he joins us on The Roskeominski Show.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Ryan Schuling filling in.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Stephen, welcome your response to Donald Trump being called daddy.
Speaker 8 (01:43):
I'm just shocked that Democrats haven't and teached him yet
overdropping an ILLICITAF bomb without congressional approval.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Well, it's interesting this response over the last twenty four hours.
I was commenting on this off air before I was
filling in today for.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Just about how the media is looking to spike.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
The football about Well, you might not have totally damaged
or obliterated, to use President Trump's word, the nuclear facilities
in Iran, and then Representative Jason Crowe was asked about
that and he seemed to ever so slightly, maybe maybe
back away from the intel assessments, which he assures Kate
Baldwin that he.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Saw several members of Congress, is that how they were
reporting it, including full committees? Have seen or have access
to this report?
Speaker 9 (02:31):
Have you seen it yet?
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Have you had a chance to?
Speaker 9 (02:35):
I have, And I'm not going to speak to this
specific intelligence So all I'm going to say is that
Donald Trump has a long history of distorting and you know,
putting his own take on US intelligence assessments regardless of
what it actually says. And you know, we are going
to see in the days and weeks to come the
truth and the reality of these reports in these assessments.
(02:55):
But Donald Trump's you know, continued distortions about what happened
and what didn't have and you know that's.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
What he does.
Speaker 9 (03:02):
He continues to just do whatever he wants to do,
which is unfortunate because I went to war three times
for this country.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I went to Iraq and.
Speaker 9 (03:09):
Afghanistan deployed as an army ranger, and frankly, we spent
twenty years and trillions.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Of dollars at war as a nation.
Speaker 9 (03:17):
Because the politics drove that decision instead of the intelligence.
It's a very dangerous position to be in.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Representative Jason Crow from right here in the sixth Congressional
District of Colorado accusing Trump of distorting intel assessments. But
Steve and I seem to recall some intel assessments that
were based on a Steele Dosia used to obtain FISA
warrants that didn't turn out very well.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
Yeah, the important thing to pay attention to with this
stuff is who's doing the reporting in this morning You
even have Morning Joe of all people out there warning
about these stories and the leagues that are coming. And
the primary reporter that pushed this is Natasha Bird trying
to CNN. She was the reporter at Political at the
time that pushed the fifty Intel letter that Hunter Biden's
(04:03):
laptop was not real, it was a Russian operation. And
then of course she kind of made her name with
some of the steel dots the A leagues. So when
you see that kind of track record, you kind of
get an idea of who her sources are and likely,
you know, the Biden adjacent intelligence officials. And so when
these are some people who still haven't had security clearance
of leak and so you have to be skeptical when
(04:25):
you see that kind of track record, and I see
these things that I'm and I guess I'm probably more
in tune than just the average normany listener viewer.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But that's what I see.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
When I see this person's name attached. I kind of
write it off, and I guess I look at it,
and I also say, so, what like if we only
set the warm nucular capabilities back by a few months.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Okay, well, we'll see you again in a few months.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
And one of the things that the story doesn't assess
is the fact that we might not have hit all
of their reactors, but we did knock out most of
their developmental capabilities.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
And that's something that isn't being.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
Assessed in this league, and that's something that would set
these this regime back by years, maybe even decades.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Follow him on x at red Stea's He is a
must follow on that platform, in my opinion, and you
could subscribe to his substack, listen to his podcast Versus
Media as well, where he tackles a lot of these
issues in much greater detail. This one you had pointed
out on your ex feed, Steven, and I found it
amusing as well. Aaron Burnett just casually remarking to Dana
(05:29):
Bash on CNN about protesters in Tehran being friendly to
CNN despite what they were chanting.
Speaker 10 (05:35):
But the question is whether or not the comm can
remain when the regime is that is still there, who
wants death to America, debt to Israel stays in place.
And that is part of the discussion, right.
Speaker 11 (05:49):
Yes, absolutely part of the discussion. And you know, I
remember Dan at one point being in Tehran years ago
and they're chanting death to America all around me, even
as I say, oh, I'm an American reporting for CNN,
and they were happy to speak to me. So those
two is sort of jarring realities of the chant and
yet the friendliness have existed together together.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Steve, I mean, this is the equivalent of fiery but
mostly peaceful death to America.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Chance, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Don't fight it shocking at all.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
The people who are chanting death to America are very
friendly with people at CNN. That's one of the least
shocking developments that's recent history. But yeah, this is kind
of CNN's What's funny is there really is a protest
contingent inside the borders of Iran that don't want this
regime and I think that that's going to be up
to them, it's not going to be up to us
if that changes. And here's CNN not promoting that contingent
(06:43):
there instead promoting the fire, like you said, fiery but
mostly peaceful, death to America people. And it's reminiscent of
what John Kerry said when they were trying to facilitate
this nuclear deal that would have triangulated Israel into a
two state solution. Is they were trying to get port
for the Iran deal up. And so John Carey once said,
(07:04):
you know, the debt to America chan is only intended
for a domestic political audience.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Only, and it's not intended for the rest of the world.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
And so it's there's no real parcing of this. And
this is what I always kind of find funny is that,
you know, the people who find nuance in a circle
game and the people who see white supremacy everywhere tell
us that we have to attach certain political nuances to
sayings like death to America and globalize the intafata.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Steven el Miller often does this. He leads me right
into another cliff.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
You mentioned the name John Kerry, the former Secretary of State,
former candidate for president nominee by the Democratic Party. Former
Senator from the state of Massachusetts, John Kerry on with
Chris John a'manpoor CNN, and he talks about here the
enormous risk of regime change in Iran and whether that
concerns him.
Speaker 12 (07:52):
Oh, I think that's an enormous risk. I think it's
beyond the risk. It's the greater likelihood because they're the
people with guns, with the military power, And if you
look at Evan prison and the way people have been treated.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And so forth, we.
Speaker 12 (08:06):
Know that these guys haven't been natural good actors in
so many ways, you know. I think that what's important here.
I mean, none of us who've been involved in this
over the years look happily at the choices that Iran
has made, feeding the power of Hesmola, the houtis, supporting
(08:27):
Hamas and engaging in internal activities that we inherently really
find repugnant. But we have to find a way to
try to solve the problem. That's what we did with
President Obama.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
So in spite of all these things that he mentions
and acknowledges Steven that Iran was doing, Obama had it
handled with the Iran nuclear deal.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
What's to look at here?
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, he was handling it. Like I said, I'm
kind of always of the belief that Obama was attempting
to facilitate it nuclear weapon with Iran and that was
to be used pressure Israel into a two state solution
with Palestine and the Gaza strip And all you have
to do is kind of look at Obama's own comments
and his personal history on this topic to see that
(09:14):
that's not so far fetched. It is interesting to me
that the CNN's and network who you know, when something
like this goes down, they're so reflexively anti Trump to
whatever he does that we're going to bring on the
guy who was mostly responsible for the fact that I
ran ticked up to this moment that was going to
have to be dealt with eventually. And now they're even
(09:34):
bringing on joy Read. They saw Joey Reads and sanity
at MSNBC and decided that they needed to.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Get in on some of that.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
And that's kind of what that network does, regardless of facts,
regardless of nuanced This is a network that is so
just anti reflexibly anything that this president does, which some good,
some is bad, but they have to jump into the
aid to twenty pool in the minority side of public
stance on any of these issues, these Iran strights were
wildly popular. This is a country that's you know, kind
(10:03):
of been the thumb in our eye for the last
forty five years, and no one's you know, talking about
a ground invasion, No one's talking about World War three here.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
This is something that had to be.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Done because of the incompetence of the previous past two
democratic administrations.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Steven el Miller our Guests Versus Media podcast. He is
the host and I appreciate his time today. You mentioned
the networks having difficulty trying to navigate coverage of this.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
In many ways, they're rooting.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Against its success, saying, oh, it's just a few months
that they set this back, this leak. The source on
the Intel reports are telling us that, so don't give
Donald Trump and our military too much credit. This really
drew the ire of President Trump, who, as you know,
Stephen was in rare form yesterday morning, dropping the F
bomb beforementioned and then lighting into ms DNC as he
(10:51):
calls it in CNN.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Right here, and you know, the fake news like CNN
in particular, they're trying to you know, they're trying to say, well,
I agree that it was destroyed. Maybe not that just right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know what they're doing.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
They're really hurting great pilots that put their lives in
the line. CNN has scum and so is MSCNC. They're
all and frankly, the networks aren't much better the golf fixers.
But they should not have done that by those pilots
hit their targets. Those targets were obliterated, and the pilots
should be given threadit.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yes, okay, you get that from the president, and a
lot of people make fun of his whole fake news
characterization of the media, but they keep playing into it, Steven,
with every step they take.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
Yeah, a lot of this is you know, a lot
of this is the game that Trump plays for his
base to kind of rev them up.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But Trump is also kind of the.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Guy that when he needs to get a narrative out,
he's on the phone with every single one of these networks,
whether it's ABC, CNN, CBS. He did this with his
tip shall we call it, with Elon Musk as well as.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
The Iran strikes. He was on the phone to.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Dana Bash at CNN the very next morning, and.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
We know that if you know, Maggie Haberman of the
New York Times, what's in her story that a source
close to Trump, we know that that's Trump on speed dial.
And so a lot of this is kind of the.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Game that they played back and forth. But you are
right in the sense that they do take the ban
on a lot of this stuff because the view is
lashing out of them as a badge of honor.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So there is this.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Strollish kind of relationship between the two. So when Trump does,
you know, he takes the truth and if he calls
out a reporter by name, the reporter uses that and
then they take it in the frame it for their office.
And you know, I've always been kind of one, right,
I kind of think the president should be above a
lot of that. But I realize that a lot of
his voters they love this, They eat this stuff up,
and it's it is just kind of who he is
(12:38):
at this point. And we've been dealing with it for
ten years.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And not only that, we see the aftermath of how
the media covered Joe Biden and these sudden epiphanies that
Chuck Todd and Jake Tapper have you Yeah, exactly, And
I just want to touch on a couple of these
in a remarkable exchange where the meme of Bruce willis
from die Hard looking down saying welcome to the party.
Pal applies. Here's Jake Tapper replying to Chuck Todd, who
(13:05):
said the original sin for him was Joe Biden running
in the first place in twenty twenty, with all these
family problems going on that none of us knew about.
Speaker 13 (13:12):
Somebody close to the family told us and said, this
is in the book that everybody knows. You know some
of the family aphorisms like you know my word as
a Biden or you know, et cetera, et cetera. A
lesser known Biden family saying is don't call a fat
person fat, And by that they mean it's not about being,
it's not about politeness. It's about hiding truths, not acknowledging truths.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And this person close to the family.
Speaker 13 (13:38):
Suggested that there are lots of truths that the family
did not want to face up to. One bo is dying,
two Hunter is addicted to drugs. Three Joe Biden cares
about his family more than he cares about anything else,
and those three are not true this family, this person
(14:01):
close to the family said, and that's when you talked
about his running in twenty twenty. I think that comes
to bear because obviously he was putting his ambition and
if you want to be charitable, his hopes to save
the country from trump Ism or whatever. Obviously was putting
that above what was going on with his family and
(14:22):
his two children and their struggles.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I'll take things we knew back in twenty twenty for
one thousand, Alex and Steven Jake Tapper trying to do
some revisionist history here, maybe some cleanup on Aisle nine,
saving face. Is he getting any of that done?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
No, And anyone who's listening to me know, this is
kind of.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
My main topic of the moment. Every time he talks,
he does more damage to the fact that they did
ignore Joe Biden's condition for four years, and they did
try to just kind of write this off, and their
hope was to just kind of drag his bones across
the finish line so they could swear Kamala Harrison on Juneteenth.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And one of the things share that's not mentioned, it's
only mentioned.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
About a paragraph in Jake Tapper's book, is this is
a president who refused to acknowledge a granddaughter for the
duration of his presidency, just flat out acknowledge their seventh
granddaughter because you know, Hunter Biden found it to be inconvenient.
And it's the president where if he was a man
of character, if he was a decent man, if as
a family man, he would have grabbed that little pipsqueak
degenerate by his ear and told him to get out
(15:24):
there and support his children. And instead we didn't have that.
We had Joe Biden write in her book, you know,
dedicating it to her six grandkids. And this is a
story that the media absolutely refused to touch until Marine
Dawd wrote one op ed about it, and then they
released a press release to People magazine.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
This is a perfect.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Example of again Jake Tapper likes to use the term
we just missed the story of buying the climb. Sorry,
we didn't see it until the debate, when we all
saw it for four years, including Lark Trump, which is
rightfully been thrown kind of back in his face. But
this is this is a media who coddled him and said, well,
we can't ask sensitive questions. They did a week long
news cycle of Donald Trump walking slowly down a ramp,
(16:04):
including bringing on several neurologists, so we see how these
rules bend and shift depending on who's in office.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
And then finally the coup of gra Here Chuck Todd
just wondering aloud if the last forty years of Joe
Biden was all alive.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Look, I mean, you know you and I covered you know,
for most of our professional lives. The story of Joe
Biden was this guy cared about his family so much
he commuted home every night from Washington.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Now here's by the way, here's the by the way.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You know what else you could say is this man
was so ambitious right after his family just went through
that tragedy. He commuted every day to work, right Like,
it's the same story.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So he had his narrative, he's had his sen or helper.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And I don't I sit here.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I look at this and the and and and I
think where we sold a forty year bill of goods?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Stephen was Chuck Todd hoodwinked, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
The reason they're doing this is the kind of you know,
localized a blast radius and try to minimize the blast radius.
And the fallout of what we learned about Biden post debate,
and then why he's forced to drop out, and then
in the coming months we're going to learn exactly how
bad this was, which all leads to who was actually
running the country. And what you have here are two
guys who are paid to inform people, that is their
(17:18):
job as supposed you know, newsmen and network journalists, and
they're the least informed guys in the room. They have
they have the memory of a goldfish.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Every time they.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
Wonder aloud a point to one another. And again, the
reason for this, and the reason for Jake Tapper's book,
is to make sure that we don't blame the media
for this or that they were not a part of this,
when we have several instances that proved they were part
of this. And this is Chuck Tod's way of doing that.
It's a way of protecting journalists, protecting the mainstream media,
and only putting this on a handful of people inside
(17:49):
Biden world. And the reason they're able to do this
because that that orange is dried up. Biden's has cancer,
He's probably not gonna be with us for very much longer.
Jill Biden's not running for senate Hunter Biden's, you know,
and the drug addle degenerates you know, the media can't
get anything out of him like they could Chelsea Clinton,
and that's why they find that it's really easy to
do this as opposed to say if this was the
(18:09):
Obama family.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You can hear a lot more on his Versus Media podcast.
Subscribe to his substack, follow him on x at red
Ste's That's ste Ze, Stephen L. Miller making his home
right here in Colorado and keeping an eye on the
national media.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Stephen, great stuff. As always, thank you so much for
your time.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Thanks Ryan anytime five seven, seven, three nine to react
to anything that you heard so far. In today's program,
we starved with Scott Jennings, we continued with Steven L.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Miller.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
We had Laura Thomas in between, and coming up next
Valerie Layoll. She is a parental rights advocate and a
big win for Camp Idra Hodgie and their religious liberty
lawsuitcase against Colorado's Department of Early Childhood over gender separation rules.
That when we come back, I'm Ryan Schuling live. Hey
(18:58):
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Speaker 14 (20:36):
Colorado Christian camp has settled a lawsuit filed earlier this
year gets a Department of Early Childhood.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
The lawsuit was initially filed in response to the state's
requirement related to gender identity.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Camp Ibra Hodge reached.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
A settlement agreement with the Department of Early Childhood. It
states that the department will not cite, suspend, or revoke
the camp's license for not following new rules that would
otherwise require a camp to allow campers to use the
facilities that align with their gender identity. Initially, Camp Irahadji
stated that they were denied a religious exemption for these
(21:09):
new guidelines. However, a spokesperson for the Department of early
childhood states, none of their gender identity regulations have ever
been applied to or been in forced against childcare providers
that are religious in nature.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
This developing story overnight CBS Colorado Channel four locally in
Denver with the story there and joining me now, Valerie Leal.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
She's supported the.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Opposition and testified at the Colorado General Assembly against House
Built twenty five thirteen twelve, which would eventually be passed
through the Assembly and signed into law by Governor Jared Poulis.
You can follow her on x at super of my home.
Val thank you so much for your.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Time, Thanks for having me Ryan.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Your reaction to what you just heard, well, you know.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I've been pretty in dept with this since it came out.
When the lawsuit was announced, watched the rule hearing back
from back in December, connected with one of our legislators
to figure out what was happening and whereas they see
it as a huge victory for Christian camps and religious
camps altogether. What I find interesting is that it appears
(22:20):
that the CDC is trying to cover their tracks for
their initial reaction to Idra Hodgi's request for an exemption.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Somebody questions in the wake of this too. Because this
is one case and some people might view it as
a one off for Camp Idra Hadgi, are there far
reaching implications? Meaning would every single other faith based camp
out there that does not want to adhere to this
stipulation that wants a religious exemption have to file on
(22:49):
their own behalf? Or does this kind of set the
standard for everybody else in the state of Colorado.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Well, so, if I understanding based off reading the final
rule dot com, there's nothing listed in there that specifically
outlines that religious institutions are exempt from these policy changes.
So my understanding is if you want to be exempt
from this, you have to file your own exemption. I don't,
based off the rule reading, believe that this is going
(23:17):
to be a carte blanche blanket protection for religious camps
Camp Idrahgi.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I'd rather have Jesus as what it is short for
is the camp being discussed in this matter. Joining me
is Valerie Layol, and she has testified, as I mentioned,
against House built twenty five thirteen twelve, recognizing transgender rights,
but even so doing forcing in public spaces this acknowledgement
and accommodation to be made, which would have included camp Idrahagie,
(23:48):
had they not raised objection to this meaning housing those
who identify as the opposite gender with the gender they
identify as. Now, there's another case pending on behalf of
a lot Allience Defending Freedom regarding a field trip in Jeffco.
You made this point val in a post on X
that harming Dylan had eyes on Colorado and on.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
That case in particular.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And this is addressed as a concern of mine which
I kind of alluded to in my opening question for you,
which is camp Idra Hodgi is one thing. I was
hoping that case would go to the Supreme Court and
there'd be a similar ruling in favor of religious liberty
that we saw with Jack Phillips and Masterpiece Cake Shop
with Laurie Smith and three L three creative that would
get the trifecta apparently that we need in Colorado. We
(24:34):
keep having to go back to this well on this
very same issue. Take us through your thoughts on where
the Alliance Defending Freedom case stands as camp Idra Hodgi
settles its lawsuit.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
I think it helps maybe set some precedence, but unfortunately
the case that you corresponding to is a Jacal Public
School outdoor lab camp that they do.
Speaker 12 (24:58):
Now.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
An interesting aspect with that is is that the Department
of Ed has filed an investigation on that particular case
here in JEFCO. So I believe that the Idrahaji win
can set some evidence for that case and hopefully in
conjunction with the investigation that the Department of Ed with
(25:18):
the DOJ has filed into that outdoor lab case. My
hope is maybe then we can finally have resolution of
this and parents can stop fearing sending their children to
camps or entrusting them to individuals who want to force
them into spaces with individuals that are not of the
same biological sex.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Paralel writes ABOc at Valerie Lal, joining us that we
heard and this was a conversation that Governor Polis had
about thirteen twelve, and it left a tremendous loophole or
blind spot in my view in terms of how Governor
Polis applied this logic in signing thirteen twelve and what
it left open to interpretation. Kind of what we're talking
(25:59):
about here uncharted waters. There's not a real definition here
as to who's exempt and why they would be exempt,
and is it religious organizations and would it be across
the board? But Governor Polis basically stated, Hey, in your
own home, you can say whatever you want and you racist, homophobic,
da da da da.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But in the workplace you can't do that. There are
rules against that.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
But that doesn't cover everything and everybody else like a
Jack Phillips at Masterpiece Cake Shop, a case that had
been adjudicated by the Supreme Court of the United States
in terms of public spaces, And do accommodations have.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
To be made?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
And do people who have religious liberty exemptions or objections?
Are they to be coerced into adhering to the gender
identity of an individual? Where does it go from here?
Where does it stand? And how much does thirteen twelve
being signed into law.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Have to do with it?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Well?
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I think that the way they went about with Ajra
Hagi is they took a law that was passed last
year SB twenty four oh seven to one that forth
licensure and interestingly enough, they started the stakeholding process for
this policy change before the bill was even signed, so
the CDec was planning this being implemented. I think thirteen
twelve bolstered their ability to push that through, and I
(27:14):
am very grateful to Jennifer say xxy because she's taking
that very exact angle and saying that because she's a
Colorado based business, that thirteen twelve prohibits her from being
able to do business because the core of her business
states men are biological men and women are biological women.
And so I think that that will be the decider here.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And then there's a.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Couple of organizations that actually filed to against thirteen twelve.
I think people are fighting back. I think businesses are
tired of sitting down and taking it. I think none
of us believe pol Us anymore. He's very good at
making us stay silent, like he did during COVID, And
I'm hopeful that people are finally breaking out and saying
(27:58):
this and pasts. My business impacts my one A rights,
This impacts my ability to raise my child the way
that I d my child should be raised, and the
governor can't tell me to do otherwise.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Follow her on ex super of my home, Valerie lay
all our guest. Just a final thought here from you,
Veil as people continue to watch, and I'm glad you
brought up the Jennifer sa xxx y athletics case that.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Is working its way through the courts.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
We mentioned the Alliance Defending Freedom case on behalf of
those involved with the field trip, in which a trans
identifying student was to be housed in the same hotel
room as a young girl. So as we watch both
those cases proceed, as we watch what just happened in
Camp Igrahaji being granted this religious exemption.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Are these laws?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Are these regulations that are on the books in Colorado?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Do you believe they're on thin ice? Where does it
go from here?
Speaker 6 (28:52):
I am actually very hopeful that if we locally cannot
push back on the constitutionality of these laws, that we
do have a DOJ that is very interested in protecting
our rights, and they've already signaled multiple times that they
are keeping a close eye in Colorado. I think it's
just a matter of time before all of these both
(29:14):
have to be rolled back or you will have our
funding pulled at the least for some of our programs.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Parental rights advocate Valerie Leel joining us here today to
open the program Veil, thank you so much for your time,
but more importantly, thank you for all the hard work
that you're doing on the front lines of this issue.
I appreciate you personally. I know a lot of our
listeners do as well.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Thank you so much, Ryan, I appreciate your show.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Yeah, your thoughts on the tip of the Iceberg argument
for Camp Eider Hadji. But they set the precedent for
future decision to be made as it pertains to these
transgender individual rights and whether or not organizations businesses must
adhere to must acknowledge those identities and conform their policy
(30:00):
to fit them. That is the question before everyone out
there here in Colorado five seven seven three nine. You're
text wrapping it all up with that. There is one
member of Congress from the state of Colorado who voted
along with the insane Al Green not the famous R
and B soul singer that Shannon and I both love,
(30:20):
but the Caine wielding maniac who interrupted President Trump's address
to the Joint Session of Congress earlier this year and
decided to file articles of impeachment and have that voted
upon on the.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
House floor yesterday.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
There are four Democratic members of the House from the
state of Colorado, which one voted along with him and
the insane squad to impeach.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Think about it.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
I'll give you the answer when we come back wrapping
up Ryan Schuling live on this Wednesday after this.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That's the real al Green.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
That's the one I recognize and sham and does too,
the Detroit connection.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
If anybody knows motown, it's Shannon yours truly. But no,
not that Algreen.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
We're talking about the lunatic Algreen with the caine and
the shouting and the interrupting and the address of the
Joint Change Session of Congress by President Trump and he
filed articles of impeachment over the strikes against Iran yesterday. Yeah,
Democrats a gang. They can't shoot straight, they can't make
(31:28):
up their minds. You know, how do they defeat or
bring down President Trump? This is so tired, This is
so old, This is so cliched.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You can't do it. You couldn't beat the Orange Man.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
You threw everything in the book at him. You tried
to impeach him twice, you tried all the law fare
in the world.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You tried everything, and it didn't work. And this is
gonna stick.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I mean, just as a matter of sheer political pride,
you would think, you know, unless we got something solid, no, no, no,
no goes to a vote of the House and three
forty four to seventy nine, it was voted down.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (32:02):
While every Republican was like, this is nonsense. But even
on the Democratic side, only seventy nine of the Democrats
voted to joy L. Green in his madness. That included
every member of the squad one hundred and twenty eight
Democrats joining the Republicans saying that no, we're.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Not going to die in this hill.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
But one representative in Congress from the state of Colorado
joined the fray of the crazies.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Who was it?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Was it Diana Degett in the first congressional district? Was
it Joe Nogose in District number two? Was it my representative?
So proud Jason Crow, the army ranger. And if you
didn't know that, he'll be sure to tell you. He's
one of those guys weird. So many veterans I know, most,
if not close to all veterans I know, never do
they ever threw up their service into your face, or
(32:52):
when you thank them for it, they're very humble about it,
and they say it was my privilege to serve, It
was my honor to serve. No, no, no, not Jason, I
was an Army ranger. I was in Afghanistan. I was
in a rock.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Aren't I awesome? You're awesome? I acknowledged the start, But
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Stop?
Speaker 5 (33:07):
And then District seven Brittany Petterson, who is breastfeeding or
doing crazy stuff on the house floor. Apparently her husband,
who is some kind of Beta mail. His name is
Ian SILVERI executive director of Progress Now Colorado.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I thought he wanted to progress.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
I thought the man could stay home take care of
the kids.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, he doesn't have time.
Speaker 14 (33:26):
Okay, when I think about I know you've touched on
this a little bit through the questions today, but around
the independence of the Federal Reserve, your job, no matter
what president you served under a Republican or Democrat, was
to make sure that this was not a political position
while you brought I news that some would not be
(33:50):
happy about, because.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, I'm not happy about the fact she's using her
child as a prop.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Where's her husband? Don't know he had time for a.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Photo op outside the Capitol family shot.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Here we go. Owen Mills style By can't be bothered
to look out for the kid.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
By the way, Britney Peterson's making what one hundred and
seventy seven grand a year off the taxpayer dime. She
can't afford daycare, which I might add looked it up.
That's provided for members of the House and of Congress.
But no, she's got to continue this political charade. But
Noah wasn't Britney Petterson. It was Shannon Guess al right,
Diana de Gette, who should have lost to Valdemar Archiletta.
(34:27):
She voted to impeach Donald tru I mean, just madness,
so credit, I guess, backhanded compliment to Joe No Goose,
Jason Crow, Britney Petterson for at least being sane enough
not to join with those lunatics.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Now for her to rank in order.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Preference for the four Democrats in the House representing the
state of Colorado, Deget's last. She's terrible, She's abysmal. She's
the worst. The way she talked to Valdemar just so condescending.
Jo No Goose is the least bad. I'll say that
the two in the middle gun to my head.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
What am I gonna say?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Jason Crow served our country, so I guess he's a
little less bad than Brittany Petterson. Making a spectacle out
of her young one. So there you have it. Well,
take this break for today. I'll talk to you again
tomorrow on Ryan Schuling Live
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