Susan Crabtree, national political correspondent for Real Clear Politics, joins Ryan with her breaking exclusive story on six Secret Service suspensions handed out over security failures in Butler, Pennsylvania with regard to the assassination attempt on Donald Trump last year (July 13, 2024).
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She is also the co-author of 'Fool's Gold' currently available on Amazon.
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Natalee Tennant, founder of Never Surrender National, joins Ryan to provide her perspective on the bombshell sexual harassment allegations against Colorado state Rep. Ron Weinberg (R-51).
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Susan Crabtree on X: "🚨🚨EXCLUSIVE AND #BREAKING: The real story behind the six Secret Service suspensions over Butler failures: Key supervisors who signed off on the Butler security plan and two who were on the final walkthroughs before the J13 rally were never disciplined but instead received BIG https://t.co/Thp4XjJMVH" / X
She is also the co-author of 'Fool's Gold' currently available on Amazon.
Amazon.com: Fool's Gold: The Radicals, Con Artists, and Traitors Who Killed the California Dream and Now Threaten Us All (Audible Audio Edition): Susan Crabtree, Jedd McFatter, Peter Schweizer - foreword, Brian Troxell, Center Street: Audible Books & Originals
Natalee Tennant, founder of Never Surrender National, joins Ryan to provide her perspective on the bombshell sexual harassment allegations against Colorado state Rep. Ron Weinberg (R-51).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is not an opinion, this is a fact I
have seen. Remember, I was accused falsely and the Epstein
and ultimately I was completely cleared. The woman admitted that
she may have mistook me for somebody else and withdrew
all of her lawsuits. And so from day one, from
the day I was accused, I said, I want every
document apt because I knew every document would prove I
was in As said.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now, that is quite a different tune being sung by
Alan Dershowitz there with regard to the Epstein files. As
you may recall, Alan Dershowitz represented Jeffrey Epstein as his
attorney at one time. Now, every client is entitled to
a vigorous defense, and Dershowitz was part of that. But
he was also implicated and it was determined to be
after the fact inaccurate in the Epstein files directly and
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personally that he may have been part of the Lolita
Express and gone to Epstein Island and engaged in the
nefarious activities that Epstein and Juline Maxwell were behind.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
To the tune of Bill.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Clinton and Prince Andrew, a lot of the names Bill
Gates that we've heard associate siated with the so called
Epstein files that we are now told do not exist.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
But we're not buying that.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And there are so many whether it's conservative influencers who
are very online, like Benny Johnson, Steve Bannon got sound
from him, Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, there are just a
lot of people out there who don't believe that we're
being told the entire story. But the reason this stands
out to me is from Dershowitz. I mean, this is
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a guy who was implicated and he said, no, no, no,
put it all out there because it will help exonerate me.
It will prove that I was innocent. And sunlight is
the best disinfectant. So there's a couple of fronts here
that we've been kind of reading the tea leaves on
in the aftermath of the Sunday News dump by the
DOJ and FBI that there's nothing to see here. When
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it comes to Epstein, that'll be the sum total of it,
and we're all like, no, that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But they wanted to protect the names of.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The innocent of the victims who were accusers of the
abuse that was inflicted upon them at the direction of
Jeffrey Epstein vs. A VI Julaane Maxwell and implicating a
lot of big, powerful names. But the other names apparently
that the Trump administration is trying to protect are those
that might be mentioned on Epstein's list or in his
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black book, or as a contact or as a source.
This could include Donald Trump as well. And just because
that they had a personal encounter with Epstein does not
mean that they were involved at the level of the
sexual exploitation of minors, etc. That there were not only allegations,
strong proof testimony to that effect. It resulted in the
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arrest the imprisonment of Jeffrey Epstein and then his death
and the arrest the imprisonment of Julaane Maxwell. So something happened,
you know, something happened there. And Dershowitz again, he just
wants his name cleared and he wants Daie to shine
upon everything.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Let me tell you, I know for a fact documents
are being suppressed, and they're being suppressed to protect individuals.
I know the names of the individuals. I know why
they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them. But I'm
bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases, and I
can't disclose what I know.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But I pant to God.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I know, I know the names of people whose files
are being suppressed in order to protect them.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And that's wrong. That's wrong, says Elan Dershowitz. So this
line that we're being fed that there's just no story
here in that Donald Trump again tried to deflect and
protect Pam Bondy and a gathering in the cabinet just
the other day, Victor Davis Hansen. And this is a
guy that is strong of an intellect on the conservative
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side as there is that exists in America today, and
this is what he surmises is happening with all of this.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think it's pretty clear now that Epstein had no
talent other than blackmail, and he was not a financier.
He was not a captain of finance at all. What
he did is he invited very powerful people to his
islander as New York Home, filmed them, and then he
bribed them, and he shook them down and said, I'm
going to be your quote unquote financial advisor, and in
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exchange for that, I'm not going to release all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So just a con man.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Who extorts people, basically is what Epstein was and how
he accumulated his wealth, and apparently he was very good
at that.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I think there are people in the establishment. I don't
know if they are took in his sick things he
was doing, but they have some association with him, and
they have a financial They gave him money to invest
when there was no reason to hire someone like that.
There were much better financial gurus. But he got a
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half a billion dollars somehow from people who were mainstream
establishmentarians on the basis that he was going to blackmail.
I think that's how he made his money. And I
think those names are numerous. They're numerous.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So what moved Trump the administration, the DOJ under Pambondi's leadership,
the FBI, into the leadership of Cash Betel and Dan
Bongino to suddenly reverse course on all of this that
they promised to expose.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And I think the Trump administration thought, well, we're going
to release this and there's some crazy people that we
don't care about are going to be embarrassed. And then
all of a sudden they got a lot of calls
and said, why are you doing this.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I didn't do this.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I went down the island once I was on a plane.
I didn't touch anybody and they're saying, and now you're
going to release my name and I'll be guilt by
I'm not going to get And I think that's what's happening.
There's a lot of people who were very powerful that
we're giving him money or we're trafficking with him, not
necessarily all of them engaging in what he was doing,
but just the association with him. And I think they're
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putting pressure on people.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And Chris Cuomo warned about the d that in this
conversation with Bill O'Reilly on his program.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I don't believe there is a client list. I think
Bondi made a mistake when she suggested they had.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
A client list.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I don't think Epstein had anything like that. I think
they have videos where he is doing disgusting things with people,
but that none of the people that people.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Are headhunting for.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
And the other point is something that people will never
give the president credit for, maybe me among them, but
there is no client list. And if you put people's
names out, they are going to sue the government and
they are going to win because they are going to
show that the government had reason to know that there
was nothing felonious in their relationship with Epstein, and they
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put out information that was defamatory anyway, and that's the
reason not to do it. You're going to ruin people's
lives who had nothing to.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Do with the behavior.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But when people hear it, it sounds like a.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Good sounds like a cover up.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And there are still those like Tom Fitten of Judicial
Watch that are pursuing the release of these documents and
doing so through legal channels.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
I think they decided for political purposes they didn't want
to include the individuals who are on these lists and
put them in the public domain. And they were concerned
that some of them, maybe it may not have done
something warranting the disclosure. I mean, that's the most charitable interpretation,
you know.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But there is a list, There's no doubt.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
I mean they talk about in the memo they wrote,
well there's no incriminating client list. Well what does that mean?
I want the non incriminating client lists. And of course
the client list is a term of art, right where
is the associates? Where's the list of contacts? You know,
we asked under our foil lawsuit, Pam BONDI give us
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the documents that you say you were looking at. Give
US documents about the release of these documents. You said
the FBI was obstructing the release. They came back to
us said we have nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
They don't have nothing. That's the thing. You can use discretion.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
They could protect the names of the innocent, whether that
be the victims or maybe those that are only loosely
affiliated with Epstein. But we know that there was a list,
We know that there were names on it. There are
names that we recognize that are public figures, that are
powerful world figures, the ones that I just mentioned, and
fitness further confused by what Bondi released to the public,
which was that inconclusive video with the one minute missing.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
You know when Pam Bondi yesterday said that video they
released isn't conclusive, but it's a reset. That minute is
a regular reset, and they're still looking for that minute.
And to release video that doesn't show what happened in
the cell isn't terribly persuasive. I'm not sure what they
were expecting there. The fact is there are two competing
forensics investigations, one by Epstein's family, which suggests that it was
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a homicide, and one by the examiner of in New York.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
He says it was a suicide.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
So given those issues to say, because the video doesn't
show one way or the other whether someone went in there,
to conclude, oh, well, there's nothing to investigate seems odd.
And they also said we're not going to give you
any more documents and kind of with this, well, well,
there're too many conspiracy theories out there, and I don't
like to be dis like that.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I don't like to be dissed either, and a lot
of us out there are not going to be satisfied
unless some more information comes forward. This is not over,
it's not even close to being over. It shouldn't be over,
and we should demand transparency and accountability on this front.
Looking for that as well as we come up on
the one year anniversary of the assassination attempt against President
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Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Still a lot of unanswered questions,
but some of those beginning to be answered by the
National political correspondent for Real Clear Politics, and she joins
us now with his bombshell report on the Secret Service
and six suspensions that were handed out in the wake
of the security failure on those grounds. Susan Crabtree, our
guest on Ryan Shuling Live Susan welcome.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Well, thanks for having me take us.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Through exactly what happened on that day with the security
failures and why six Secret Service members were suspended over it.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Well, one of the major things that happened that everyone
talked about the time, and rightly so, was that that
ADR building was not properly covered by the local law
enforcement partners that the Secret Services working with. And what
we found out through my sources and through the congressional
investigations and Independent Review Board investigation is that a very
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inexperienced young agent named Mio Perez was in charge of
the site security for the whole event, for the whole
farm show, and another woman agent who was a Pittsburgh
Field Office agent named Meredith Banks. She was doing the
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called to the lead agent. She was in charge of
when President Trump his plane came to from at the
airport to when he leaves the farm show, so she
was in charge of sort of the more broad security plans.
Both of those agents had problems with ensuring that that
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AGR building was properly guarded by the local law enforcement.
They did not make sure that they were on top
of the building. The local law enforcement went inside the
building that was just one of the failures. There was
a major failure on the stage where the Secret Service agents,
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even though they did put their bodies in front in
the line of fire as they're called to do, and
they tried to get him off the stage. President Trump
was reluctant and he got popped up and said fight
by fight was made for great, great iconic photography for
that terrible assassination accome day.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
But it is.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Completly against Secret Service protocol to let a protect tea
jump up like that. They were supposed to get him
on the ground, cover their body, cover him with their bodies,
and then get him out as quickly as possible horizontally.
As Eric Prince has has rightly criticized the Secret Service
for not doing so. There were multiple failures that day.
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Siloed communications the local law enforcement that had an eye
on Thomas Kirks, the shooter, was not in touch with
the Secret Service snipers, so they couldn't say that he
was on the roof quick enough until he fired. Then
they fired at him, so he was able to crouch
on the top of the adr roof. And that was
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a serious line of sight issue that the Secret Service.
Seasoned Secret Service agents say they wouldn't. It would be
obvious then to them to block it, but instead they
allowed a very young and experienced agent to be in
charge of formulating that security plan and execution of it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Susan Crabtree joining us.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
She's the twenty twenty four Doll Prize Award winner for
Investigative Journalism, Real Clear Politics, National Political Correspondent, and she's
been all over this story with her sources within the
Secret Service. Now, Susan, you and I have discussed the
case of Sean Kerran and his ascension to Director of
the Secret Service, and we saw him featured in Trump's
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address to the nation as he deputized a young boy
with cancer, and he's been front and center with regard
to the photo that you had, iconic photo that you
mentioned with the sunglasses on the American flag in the background.
But he was also in charge of that security detail
on that day. And I'm just looking at chain of
command here and whether or not Sean Kerran himself.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Is being held to account and if not, why not?
How do you read that?
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Well, Shan Curran did one thing right, He's done did
some things that were wrong that day. There are a
lot of critics about Sean to Sean Kern has a
lot of critics within the agency band up. Longino was
one of them, as you know, and he vocally opposed
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his nomination his appointment excuse me by Donald Trump. But
so Sean Kerrn did what he was doing right was
try in the major flaw in the whole security plan
that Fort Butler was that the Secret Service was following
the formulae, the formula that they have the protocol that
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a former president does not get the same type of
Secret Service protection the really high assets that the sitting
president would, and that just then makes no sense because
Donald Trump broke the mold. So Sean Kern was pushing
back on that for more than a year, said that
Marl Lago needed to have this security beefed up. It
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was successful in that although they dragged their feet, the
leadership led by then Kimberly Cheetle, who was forced out
after the assassination attempts and are terrible testimony before Congress.
But what Shaan Kern has been criticized that day is
a allowing Donald Trump to go out on the stage
when there was he knew that they were working a threat,
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a potential threat you can always just hold him back,
not let him go on the stage. I know there
was a lot of things that they were dealing with
that day. There was fainting. It was a very hot day,
so people were fainting, so they were having people run
out to deal with those issues as well. But if
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they were in better communication, they would have Schunkern would
have known that this was a serious threat and it
would not have allowed him to go out on the
stage because the local law enforcement knew about it, that
he was acting very suspiciously for at least forty five
minutes if not longer before he opened fire, So that
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and they were pursuing him and they were talking to
They had separate command posts also, so the local law
enforcement had a command post and a secret service had
a command post. That's not how it's supposed to be done.
As well as the siloed communications that I mentioned. And
they didn't have a drone, proper drone protection in the
air that day to see that Thomas Crooks had a
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drone in the air earlier, and that would have looked
extremely suspicious and they would have been able to go
talk to them to Thomas Crooks after flying but they
couldn't get their drone in the air, and they were
even on tech support the operator of the drone trying
to do so. There were multiple layers of failures, complete
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and outright failures that are egregious. And the fact that
these secret services, there are six secrets convers agents that
are getting ten to forty two days unpaid suspension that
is like a slap on the writ and they're supervisors.
There's layers of more experience agents. There are supervisors, the
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ones that walked them through and signed off on the
security plan. They're not being held to account. In fact,
they're skating. They got promoted.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Follow her on x at Susan Crabtree with her latest
exclusive and breaking story behind these six secret service suspensions
over the Butler Pennsylvania failures that date back almost one
year to the day. Here we are on July tenth,
and of course it was Saturday, July thirteenth when this
attempt on Donald Trump's life took place. In the final
minute that we have here, Susan, you said that there's
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more to come here when it comes to two of
these individuals being Tim Burke and Brian Pardini. How would
you summarize.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
That, well, they were the supervisors in theurg Field Office,
and I know that there are some mitigating factors. There
have been some arguments out there that there were farm
equipment that were supposed to block the line of site
from the AGR building and some of these other buildings
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to the stage, and that the campaign didn't want to
use those farmerquip because they didn't like the optics of it.
So that is some parts of the argument for why
they should. The Pittsford Field Office is defending itself and
it's the way that they handled that, But no one
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can account for the fact that that AGR building was
not properly covered, and the fact that these supervisors have
gone on to One of them is now in charge
of the ironically the Inspections Division, which is in charge
of accountability and integrity for all super service operations.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
She's Susan Crabtree.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
She's simply the best when it comes to this type
of reporting. National Police Correspondent for Real Clear Politics. Susan,
thanks for joining us on such short notice with such
a big story.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We'll talk to you again.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Soon, my pleasure. Thanks for your interest.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
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Speaker 8 (21:07):
Absolutely, he's been inappropriate me and people are standing behind
that and hiding it. And I was told to file
a workplace harassment that they couldn't do anything about it.
And the repercussions. You see what these women are going
through right now, the repercussions these women are going through.
They're attacking these women and saying that this isn't truth
and that he's a statement. Stand up guy, Well, maybe
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you should have Rose Peglisi and Ty Winner on and
ask about the conversation I had with them and what
I was told to do.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I was Representative Brandy Bradley just a couple of days ago,
right on this program, and I did reach out to
Laurel Cruz Boil, communications director for the House, Minority Leader
Rose Paglici, who was unavailable, but basically reiterated that she
stands behind the statement that was issued. And I think
this is all kind of a sequence of events that
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took place. It's kind of like a snowball rolling downhill.
But refuting what Representative Bradley said in that interview with
me on the public record, Minority Leader Peglici and Assistant
Minority Leader Winter dispel inaccurate accusations that they made light
of member complaints. And this is official release from the
Colorado House Republicans. I read it in part yesterday, I'll
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read it in full here today, and it reads as
follows quote Minority Leader Peglici and Assistant Minority Leader Winter
respond to inaccurate accusations by Representative Bradley that her concerns
about harassment by another member were not addressed by leadership.
These salacious accusations are patently false. House GOP Leadership takes
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every workplace safety and conduct violation seriously, and we are
steadfast advising our caucus members of the legislature's mandated policies
and procedures to address any complaints the Workplace Harassment Policy
attached to this document. The only process provided or allowed
under this policy requires the complaining member to file a
complaint with Workplaces. Leadership cannot file a complaint on behalf.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Of a member.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
The complaint must then go through the process of investigation.
Leadership has no role in this process. Members are elected
by their constituents and work for the people of the
State of Colorado. Leadership is not the employer of any member.
Leadership's role is to pursue a sensible legislative agenda on
behalf of the people of the State of Colorado, not
to discipline alleged misconduct. Members are only accountable to each
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other and their constituents. Republicans are the party of personal responsibility.
All members receive information about workplace harassment and even take
a training. Leadership followed the mandated process by reminding Representative
Bradley of her obligation to file a complaint with workplace relations,
which she admitted in her statement. Leadership remains committed to
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maintaining a safe and respectful workplace culture for all who
serve and work in the Capitol. And it is signed
by Rose Paglsi to House Minority Leader Ti Winner, the
Assistant House Minority Leader, Carlos Baron, the newly elected House
Caucus Whip, and Anthony Hartsook.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
The House Caucus Chair.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Now, the details that Representative Bradley alluded to and drop
this bombshell on us the other day were pretty lurid
and pretty explicit, and I even had to drop a
beep in there.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Well.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
I went to Leadership about my own problems with Representative Weinberger.
I wasn't going to air that dirty laundry, and they
told me to file a workplace harassment against him, and
that was the only thing that I could do. I
have plenty more to say. I'm going to wait and
go to those proper channels. But Carolyn want B sat
there and listened to her husband discuss jobs on another
representative that was at the table the last night's session,
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and then talked about another representative who was waiting for
marriage to have intimate relations and she wasn't even at
the table. So for Carolyn to sit there and stand
by her man when she has heard these things come forward,
will I Am not going to sit here and let
her go nuclear on me and pretend like I am
the reason for his bad behavior. I will not do it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I've had this conversation too with Sheriff Steve Reims, who
knows a thing or two about the law, about the
difference between what's highly inappropriate workplace conduct and there are
procedures in place to address those concerns and what is illegal.
Was anything that represented Ron Weinberg, anything that he said
or did illegal, Well, that's a totally different ballgame. However,
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I've reached out, as has Sheriff Rheims numerous times on
behalf of the station, because we had Representative Bradley on,
because we had Jacquelin Anderson on, because we're about to
have Natalie Tenant on, to have the representative Ron Weinberg
himself come on and tell his version of events, his story,
so that invitation remains open. And Carolyn Weinberg did get
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back to me, and they are kind of minding their
p's and q's, so to speak, with regard to any
illegal implications, and that's why I mentioned that what's illegal,
what's immoral, what's inappropriate, and how is it dealt with?
To this point, at least, Representative Weinberg has not felt
comfortable going on the air with public commentary, and they
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are consulting. They remain in consultation with their lawyer. So
that sets the stage for our next guest and joining
us now. We're glad that she could take the time.
She is the founder of Never Surrender National, big fan
of this program and we're a big fan of her.
Natalie Tenant joined us on Ryan Shooting Live.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Natalie, welcome, Ran my Faith.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
Thank you for having me on. As always as always,
I'm a little off right now because it's not school time,
so me and the Grand Center not in the car line,
so I have to set a reminder to remind myself.
But it stinks because you and Mandy kind of overlap
each other a little bit. So I got to play
ping pong, I know, suy, thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, during this two o'clock hour. And I'll have you
know that a lot of days Mandy gets done with
a three hour show and then she tunes right into
this program and I give her a lot of credit
for that, and I appreciate her tuning in.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
It's a great show.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So, Natalie, you wanted to come on this program and
give your perspective of what's going on with all of this,
and you had some suspicions about motivation behind Representative Brandy
Bradley coming forward, the timing of that, and the and
why she did that. What are your thoughts along those lines.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
I'm bringing the question up because I've been poked with
this and you know, I heard her again listening to
your show. I heard her on your show shortly after
you know, Ryan stepped down. So they need to fill whip.
They need to you know, fill his seat as well too.
So all that's you know, I pay attention. I'm involved
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with the GOP. I'm very involved with my my county
GOP as well too, So paying attention. What's going to
happen now, who's going to throw their names in? You know,
like the sixteen people we have running for governor. I
pay attention. And as it started going out, I'm like,
I'm not touching this, Like I knew about this stuff
from three years ago. Here we go again, politics, That's
what I thought. So I get asked to buy a
(27:55):
co host on this space one night, so I get
on Brandy's on it. I noticed she's on listening and
it's like she's campaigning for this whip position. Long story short,
Ron gets in. They kind of have their thing back
and forth, and that's kind of when she started the allegations.
Was on the space and I'm like, whoa, Okay, here
we go again. Anyways, I brought up the point of
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why are we campaigning for whip? Isn't this internal? Don't
you guys vote on this internal? By all means, let
me be really clear here, I'm not defending any actions
of his. I'm not supporting anything that has been said.
I feel bad for women. If this did happen, it
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should be handled properly. Absolutely, hear me, loud and clear, everybody.
That's not what I'm talking about today. What I'm talking
about is this happened three years ago. She comes out
a space, she starts making allegations, caused a ruckus in
this space, by the way, and attacked me in the
space when I did nothing but thank her for being
on and told her I supported her. But that's last
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year's news, and it was just how it went down,
and I was like, well, that's kind of shitty, and
I just kept following. I started having conversations with people
like I do. I started talking to legislatures. Yes, I've
had conversations with Ron and his wife and I told
them directly, I cannot defend you on this like this.
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It has to be handled. What I want to know
is why now? Why now? Why not? When he was appointed,
that's when the allegations first came out, was around that time?
Why now again? Why wasn't it handled three years ago?
Why didn't Larimer County do more about this? Why didn't
the Republican Caucus at that time do more about that?
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I just feel like watching this all go down on
socials and the tips for tests and the attacks and
the nastiness of all of this. This is some of
the reasons why we can't win here in Colorado is
because we always got to pick a fight. Not taking
light of accusations. Those should be handled seriously, But it's
timing that is just unbelievable to me. Now, Brandy wants
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to say what Brandy wants to say. I know for
a fact because I speak to our Republican caucus, the
one that I don't really know. Well is heartsook? So
I can't speak on that. They would not ignore this, okay,
they would protect men and women if this happened to anybody.
There were statements that were put out. Rose did comment
and respond, Larimer County did respond, the State Party did respond.
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But I think it's because they're not getting the answers
that Brandy Bradley wants. That this has become such a
crap show. It really is, and I don't like wow,
like just wow, it blows my mind. There's so many
little pieces to this, but nobody actually ever tells the
full truth. I will, I'll come out and say what
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I know. Brandy's not speaking full truth right now, and
if she wants to go up to the challenge with this,
we can, we can, but she should speak full What
is her motive behind this? Why why did she jump
on and then now kind of what I'm hearing is
wash her hands to it. She doesn't want to be
apart because it got what too spicy? Now, maybe you
shouldn't have poked a bear. I feel like she's revictimized
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these women, putting them out in the public to pray
they chose to do this. I get that. And if
these things really did happen, absolutely there should be accountability
for this. There's no place for that crap here, but
to make it a political theater is all I'm staying
with this right now, Ryan, And these are some of
the reasons why the Colorado Republican Party is not winning things,
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because the division is so great and there's so much
hate and distain. For some people, it's a gotcha, we
got to get you. If we can get rid of them,
and we can remove them, it's a gotcha moment. There's
way more bigger things we should be focusing on there
than our petty differences that we've had over the years,
and I think that stuff needs to stop.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Natalie Tenant never surrender joining us here based on a
space communication that she has, and that Representative Bradley came
forward with her own personal allegations against Ron Weinberg. My
counter to that, Natalie would be the following, and that
did it happen? And if the answer is yes, then
doesn't matter with the timing, And Ron Weinberg should be
held accountable, I mean point blank, whether it's Brandy Bradley
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or somebody else. And that would be the other point
it's not just Brandy who came forward. There are several
other women here. So I don't want to get distracted,
take my eye off the ball, like you said, kind
of circular firing squad, And now we're placing blame or
focus on Brandy when look, Ron Weinberg did this. He
was banned from LPR because of two instances that Jacqueline
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Anderson told us about. And I don't feel bad for
the guy, and I think you said that too, But
like I said, I don't want to get distracted off
topic no matter when Representative Bradley brought this up to
me as immaterial because he did this, and what Jacqueline
told me was that she thought it had been resolved
with the LPR ban, and that would be a difficult
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one right now for ron On Weinberg to explain away,
like why were you banned from LPR?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Why did that happen at all? But then he chose
affirmatively to enter this race.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Throws had into the ring for the minority whip, and
he had to know he couldn't be that naive that
none of this would come back up.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
So I'm just I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
More of it from like a common sense angle of well,
of course, Ron, you get into this fray political arena.
It's a rough sport to contact sport. And I'm not
surprised really by any of this, I guess is what
I'm trying to say.
Speaker 9 (33:29):
No, And I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you either, but
it's man. When is enough enough? Though, like, yeah, hold
it accountable. Everything is always taken to the public court.
Everything is always taken to the public court. And I
have empathy for these women though, I do, and to
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accuse and to be so angry though with the State
Party and with the Republican Caucus of what they're not
doing right now. These things happened three four years ago,
So what are the proper channels? And I'm glad you
talked to Sheriff Reems because it's becoming this political spectacle
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now and I think it's disgusting. The whole thing is disgusting.
But we air our grievances and we attack. And I
hear you, Ryan, I do hear you, And I want
to give grace. I've given grace to Brandy a gazillion times.
She's publicly attacked me and my family. Back to the
inciting violence Twitter space that I was on. Boy am
I controversial when nothing happened on that space? But she
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went to socials. My husband was in the hospital and
I'm not looking for no empathy or pity here. But
the reason I didn't come out with a public statement
was because my husband almost lost his life. Okay, but
she had the gall two on socials claim that Dave William,
Tope Scheppelman and Anna Ferguson's lives mattered more at that
time than my husband in the hospital, Like there was
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no grace there with that. I've supported for bills, I've
supported the good things that she has done. She's been
a good legislator. So why the fighting? Why always the
tit for tat fighting. She chose to take this public
on a Twitter space, and that's what if that represented her?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Oh, there's just a lot of on some event, right,
there's a lot of damage left in the wake. And again,
what I would center the focus on all of this,
whether it's yourself, Natalie, whether it's Jacqueline, whether it's representative
Brandy Bradley, whether it's one of the other accusers, is
this the nexus of this is Ron Weinberg, and he's
the guy that has to answer for this, these allegations,
the band from LPR, and the very reason that this
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is a story in the first place, and at least
up until this point, he has not been willing or
able to go on the record with public comment on
a show like this one or anywhere else, so we're
left to fill in the void with conversations like these.
She's Natalie Tenant, Never Surrender founder that's Never Surrendered Nationally.
Can find them online at that very handle never Surrender
National dot com. Natalie, thanks for your time today.
Speaker 9 (36:00):
Thank you, Ryan, I appreciate you.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
Allways.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
All right, a timeout for back wrapping up our number
one Ryan Schuling Live after this.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
All right, here we are two minute warning before halftime.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Shannon Scott alongside Detroit Connection re established on this Thursday
edition of Ryan Schuling Live. Kelly Cacira alongside as well
your tax A lot of reaction to Natalie Tenant, our
previous guest in the last segment. Wow, Natalie Tennant is
one of the reasons that the GOP sucks in Colorado.
Her explanation to you was ridiculous blank her says this
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textter Wow, straight fire, A lot of heat, fastballs coming
in hot. One thing Republicans do is hold the party accountable?
Can you imagine the cover up in silence from the
Marxists if the Democrats had done.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
This talk about the Epstein files? Yeah, I mean yeah this.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Tucker Carlson had a tremendous segment and interview about this.
And we're not just going to fall in line, should we?
And when we have disagreements with the Trump administration, as
I do vehemently over the handling of this Epstein case
and tire, then we owe it to people who listen
to this program, people who consume the mass media, whether
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it's Tucker Carlson or Benny Johnson or Jack Posobic or
Charlie Kirk or anybody else, to be honest and not
just run cover for Trump every single time. I don't
agree with him on everything. Ryan, This lady talking about
Natalie is making no sense. Why do we care what
she thinks? Well, she knew some of the principles involved,
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and from her perspective, wanted to set the record straight.
And this one says, thank you. She answered it. Why
didn't all these women bring it up three flipping years ago? Well,
it was brought up, it was handled, and Jacqueline Anderson
was one of those who joined me to talk about it, and.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Ron Weinberg was banned from LPR. That happened
This is not an opinion, this is a fact I
have seen. Remember, I was accused falsely and the Epstein
and ultimately I was completely cleared. The woman admitted that
she may have mistook me for somebody else and withdrew
all of her lawsuits. And so from day one, from
the day I was accused, I said, I want every
document apt because I knew every document would prove I
was in As said.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now, that is quite a different tune being sung by
Alan Dershowitz there with regard to the Epstein files. As
you may recall, Alan Dershowitz represented Jeffrey Epstein as his
attorney at one time. Now, every client is entitled to
a vigorous defense, and Dershowitz was part of that. But
he was also implicated and it was determined to be
after the fact inaccurate in the Epstein files directly and
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personally that he may have been part of the Lolita
Express and gone to Epstein Island and engaged in the
nefarious activities that Epstein and Juline Maxwell were behind.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
To the tune of Bill.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Clinton and Prince Andrew, a lot of the names Bill
Gates that we've heard associate siated with the so called
Epstein files that we are now told do not exist.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
But we're not buying that.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And there are so many whether it's conservative influencers who
are very online, like Benny Johnson, Steve Bannon got sound
from him, Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, there are just a
lot of people out there who don't believe that we're
being told the entire story. But the reason this stands
out to me is from Dershowitz. I mean, this is
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a guy who was implicated and he said, no, no, no,
put it all out there because it will help exonerate me.
It will prove that I was innocent. And sunlight is
the best disinfectant. So there's a couple of fronts here
that we've been kind of reading the tea leaves on
in the aftermath of the Sunday News dump by the
DOJ and FBI that there's nothing to see here. When
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it comes to Epstein, that'll be the sum total of it,
and we're all like, no, that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But they wanted to protect the names of.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The innocent of the victims who were accusers of the
abuse that was inflicted upon them at the direction of
Jeffrey Epstein vs. A VI Julaane Maxwell and implicating a
lot of big, powerful names. But the other names apparently
that the Trump administration is trying to protect are those
that might be mentioned on Epstein's list or in his
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black book, or as a contact or as a source.
This could include Donald Trump as well. And just because
that they had a personal encounter with Epstein does not
mean that they were involved at the level of the
sexual exploitation of minors, etc. That there were not only allegations,
strong proof testimony to that effect. It resulted in the
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arrest the imprisonment of Jeffrey Epstein and then his death
and the arrest the imprisonment of Julaane Maxwell. So something happened,
you know, something happened there. And Dershowitz again, he just
wants his name cleared and he wants Daie to shine
upon everything.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Let me tell you, I know for a fact documents
are being suppressed, and they're being suppressed to protect individuals.
I know the names of the individuals. I know why
they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them. But I'm
bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases, and I
can't disclose what I know.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But I pant to God.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I know, I know the names of people whose files
are being suppressed in order to protect them.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And that's wrong. That's wrong, says Elan Dershowitz. So this
line that we're being fed that there's just no story
here in that Donald Trump again tried to deflect and
protect Pam Bondy and a gathering in the cabinet just
the other day, Victor Davis Hansen. And this is a
guy that is strong of an intellect on the conservative
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side as there is that exists in America today, and
this is what he surmises is happening with all of this.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think it's pretty clear now that Epstein had no
talent other than blackmail, and he was not a financier.
He was not a captain of finance at all. What
he did is he invited very powerful people to his
islander as New York Home, filmed them, and then he
bribed them, and he shook them down and said, I'm
going to be your quote unquote financial advisor, and in
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exchange for that, I'm not going to release all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So just a con man.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Who extorts people, basically is what Epstein was and how
he accumulated his wealth, and apparently he was very good
at that.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I think there are people in the establishment. I don't
know if they are took in his sick things he
was doing, but they have some association with him, and
they have a financial They gave him money to invest
when there was no reason to hire someone like that.
There were much better financial gurus. But he got a
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half a billion dollars somehow from people who were mainstream
establishmentarians on the basis that he was going to blackmail.
I think that's how he made his money. And I
think those names are numerous. They're numerous.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So what moved Trump the administration, the DOJ under Pambondi's leadership,
the FBI, into the leadership of Cash Betel and Dan
Bongino to suddenly reverse course on all of this that
they promised to expose.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And I think the Trump administration thought, well, we're going
to release this and there's some crazy people that we
don't care about are going to be embarrassed. And then
all of a sudden they got a lot of calls
and said, why are you doing this.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I didn't do this.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I went down the island once I was on a plane.
I didn't touch anybody and they're saying, and now you're
going to release my name and I'll be guilt by
I'm not going to get And I think that's what's happening.
There's a lot of people who were very powerful that
we're giving him money or we're trafficking with him, not
necessarily all of them engaging in what he was doing,
but just the association with him. And I think they're
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putting pressure on people.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And Chris Cuomo warned about the d that in this
conversation with Bill O'Reilly on his program.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I don't believe there is a client list. I think
Bondi made a mistake when she suggested they had.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
A client list.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I don't think Epstein had anything like that. I think
they have videos where he is doing disgusting things with people,
but that none of the people that people.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Are headhunting for.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
And the other point is something that people will never
give the president credit for, maybe me among them, but
there is no client list. And if you put people's
names out, they are going to sue the government and
they are going to win because they are going to
show that the government had reason to know that there
was nothing felonious in their relationship with Epstein, and they
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put out information that was defamatory anyway, and that's the
reason not to do it. You're going to ruin people's
lives who had nothing to.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Do with the behavior.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But when people hear it, it sounds like a.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Good sounds like a cover up.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And there are still those like Tom Fitten of Judicial
Watch that are pursuing the release of these documents and
doing so through legal channels.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
I think they decided for political purposes they didn't want
to include the individuals who are on these lists and
put them in the public domain. And they were concerned
that some of them, maybe it may not have done
something warranting the disclosure. I mean, that's the most charitable interpretation,
you know.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But there is a list, There's no doubt.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
I mean they talk about in the memo they wrote,
well there's no incriminating client list. Well what does that mean?
I want the non incriminating client lists. And of course
the client list is a term of art, right where
is the associates? Where's the list of contacts? You know,
we asked under our foil lawsuit, Pam BONDI give us
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the documents that you say you were looking at. Give
US documents about the release of these documents. You said
the FBI was obstructing the release. They came back to
us said we have nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
They don't have nothing. That's the thing. You can use discretion.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
They could protect the names of the innocent, whether that
be the victims or maybe those that are only loosely
affiliated with Epstein. But we know that there was a list,
We know that there were names on it. There are
names that we recognize that are public figures, that are
powerful world figures, the ones that I just mentioned, and
fitness further confused by what Bondi released to the public,
which was that inconclusive video with the one minute missing.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
You know when Pam Bondi yesterday said that video they
released isn't conclusive, but it's a reset. That minute is
a regular reset, and they're still looking for that minute.
And to release video that doesn't show what happened in
the cell isn't terribly persuasive. I'm not sure what they
were expecting there. The fact is there are two competing
forensics investigations, one by Epstein's family, which suggests that it was
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a homicide, and one by the examiner of in New York.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
He says it was a suicide.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
So given those issues to say, because the video doesn't
show one way or the other whether someone went in there,
to conclude, oh, well, there's nothing to investigate seems odd.
And they also said we're not going to give you
any more documents and kind of with this, well, well,
there're too many conspiracy theories out there, and I don't
like to be dis like that.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I don't like to be dissed either, and a lot
of us out there are not going to be satisfied
unless some more information comes forward. This is not over,
it's not even close to being over. It shouldn't be over,
and we should demand transparency and accountability on this front.
Looking for that as well as we come up on
the one year anniversary of the assassination attempt against President
(09:33):
Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Still a lot of unanswered questions,
but some of those beginning to be answered by the
National political correspondent for Real Clear Politics, and she joins
us now with his bombshell report on the Secret Service
and six suspensions that were handed out in the wake
of the security failure on those grounds. Susan Crabtree, our
guest on Ryan Shuling Live Susan welcome.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Well, thanks for having me take us.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Through exactly what happened on that day with the security
failures and why six Secret Service members were suspended over it.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Well, one of the major things that happened that everyone
talked about the time, and rightly so, was that that
ADR building was not properly covered by the local law
enforcement partners that the Secret Services working with. And what
we found out through my sources and through the congressional
investigations and Independent Review Board investigation is that a very
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inexperienced young agent named Mio Perez was in charge of
the site security for the whole event, for the whole
farm show, and another woman agent who was a Pittsburgh
Field Office agent named Meredith Banks. She was doing the
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called to the lead agent. She was in charge of
when President Trump his plane came to from at the
airport to when he leaves the farm show, so she
was in charge of sort of the more broad security plans.
Both of those agents had problems with ensuring that that
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AGR building was properly guarded by the local law enforcement.
They did not make sure that they were on top
of the building. The local law enforcement went inside the
building that was just one of the failures. There was
a major failure on the stage where the Secret Service agents,
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even though they did put their bodies in front in
the line of fire as they're called to do, and
they tried to get him off the stage. President Trump
was reluctant and he got popped up and said fight
by fight was made for great, great iconic photography for
that terrible assassination accome day.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
But it is.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Completly against Secret Service protocol to let a protect tea
jump up like that. They were supposed to get him
on the ground, cover their body, cover him with their bodies,
and then get him out as quickly as possible horizontally.
As Eric Prince has has rightly criticized the Secret Service
for not doing so. There were multiple failures that day.
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Siloed communications the local law enforcement that had an eye
on Thomas Kirks, the shooter, was not in touch with
the Secret Service snipers, so they couldn't say that he
was on the roof quick enough until he fired. Then
they fired at him, so he was able to crouch
on the top of the adr roof. And that was
(12:45):
a serious line of sight issue that the Secret Service.
Seasoned Secret Service agents say they wouldn't. It would be
obvious then to them to block it, but instead they
allowed a very young and experienced agent to be in
charge of formulating that security plan and execution of it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Susan Crabtree joining us.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
She's the twenty twenty four Doll Prize Award winner for
Investigative Journalism, Real Clear Politics, National Political Correspondent, and she's
been all over this story with her sources within the
Secret Service. Now, Susan, you and I have discussed the
case of Sean Kerran and his ascension to Director of
the Secret Service, and we saw him featured in Trump's
(13:28):
address to the nation as he deputized a young boy
with cancer, and he's been front and center with regard
to the photo that you had, iconic photo that you
mentioned with the sunglasses on the American flag in the background.
But he was also in charge of that security detail
on that day. And I'm just looking at chain of
command here and whether or not Sean Kerran himself.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Is being held to account and if not, why not?
How do you read that?
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Well, Shan Curran did one thing right, He's done did
some things that were wrong that day. There are a
lot of critics about Sean to Sean Kern has a
lot of critics within the agency band up. Longino was
one of them, as you know, and he vocally opposed
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his nomination his appointment excuse me by Donald Trump. But
so Sean Kerrn did what he was doing right was
try in the major flaw in the whole security plan
that Fort Butler was that the Secret Service was following
the formulae, the formula that they have the protocol that
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a former president does not get the same type of
Secret Service protection the really high assets that the sitting
president would, and that just then makes no sense because
Donald Trump broke the mold. So Sean Kern was pushing
back on that for more than a year, said that
Marl Lago needed to have this security beefed up. It
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was successful in that although they dragged their feet, the
leadership led by then Kimberly Cheetle, who was forced out
after the assassination attempts and are terrible testimony before Congress.
But what Shaan Kern has been criticized that day is
a allowing Donald Trump to go out on the stage
when there was he knew that they were working a threat,
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a potential threat you can always just hold him back,
not let him go on the stage. I know there
was a lot of things that they were dealing with
that day. There was fainting. It was a very hot day,
so people were fainting, so they were having people run
out to deal with those issues as well. But if
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they were in better communication, they would have Schunkern would
have known that this was a serious threat and it
would not have allowed him to go out on the
stage because the local law enforcement knew about it, that
he was acting very suspiciously for at least forty five
minutes if not longer before he opened fire, So that
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and they were pursuing him and they were talking to
They had separate command posts also, so the local law
enforcement had a command post and a secret service had
a command post. That's not how it's supposed to be done.
As well as the siloed communications that I mentioned. And
they didn't have a drone, proper drone protection in the
air that day to see that Thomas Crooks had a
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drone in the air earlier, and that would have looked
extremely suspicious and they would have been able to go
talk to them to Thomas Crooks after flying but they
couldn't get their drone in the air, and they were
even on tech support the operator of the drone trying
to do so. There were multiple layers of failures, complete
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and outright failures that are egregious. And the fact that
these secret services, there are six secrets convers agents that
are getting ten to forty two days unpaid suspension that
is like a slap on the writ and they're supervisors.
There's layers of more experience agents. There are supervisors, the
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ones that walked them through and signed off on the
security plan. They're not being held to account. In fact,
they're skating. They got promoted.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Follow her on x at Susan Crabtree with her latest
exclusive and breaking story behind these six secret service suspensions
over the Butler Pennsylvania failures that date back almost one
year to the day. Here we are on July tenth,
and of course it was Saturday, July thirteenth when this
attempt on Donald Trump's life took place. In the final
minute that we have here, Susan, you said that there's
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more to come here when it comes to two of
these individuals being Tim Burke and Brian Pardini. How would
you summarize.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
That, well, they were the supervisors in theurg Field Office,
and I know that there are some mitigating factors. There
have been some arguments out there that there were farm
equipment that were supposed to block the line of site
from the AGR building and some of these other buildings
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to the stage, and that the campaign didn't want to
use those farmerquip because they didn't like the optics of it.
So that is some parts of the argument for why
they should. The Pittsford Field Office is defending itself and
it's the way that they handled that, But no one
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can account for the fact that that AGR building was
not properly covered, and the fact that these supervisors have
gone on to One of them is now in charge
of the ironically the Inspections Division, which is in charge
of accountability and integrity for all super service operations.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
She's Susan Crabtree.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
She's simply the best when it comes to this type
of reporting. National Police Correspondent for Real Clear Politics. Susan,
thanks for joining us on such short notice with such
a big story.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We'll talk to you again.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Soon, my pleasure. Thanks for your interest.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
All right, Susan Crabtree, Right there, a time out we're
back a follow up on our story throughout the week
regarding Representative Ron Weinberg. Just wrapping up. In fact, I
was just handling this via email, setting up my beneficiaries,
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Speaker 8 (21:07):
Absolutely, he's been inappropriate me and people are standing behind
that and hiding it. And I was told to file
a workplace harassment that they couldn't do anything about it.
And the repercussions. You see what these women are going
through right now, the repercussions these women are going through.
They're attacking these women and saying that this isn't truth
and that he's a statement. Stand up guy, Well, maybe
(21:30):
you should have Rose Peglisi and Ty Winner on and
ask about the conversation I had with them and what
I was told to do.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I was Representative Brandy Bradley just a couple of days ago,
right on this program, and I did reach out to
Laurel Cruz Boil, communications director for the House, Minority Leader
Rose Paglici, who was unavailable, but basically reiterated that she
stands behind the statement that was issued. And I think
this is all kind of a sequence of events that
(21:56):
took place. It's kind of like a snowball rolling downhill.
But refuting what Representative Bradley said in that interview with
me on the public record, Minority Leader Peglici and Assistant
Minority Leader Winter dispel inaccurate accusations that they made light
of member complaints. And this is official release from the
Colorado House Republicans. I read it in part yesterday, I'll
(22:19):
read it in full here today, and it reads as
follows quote Minority Leader Peglici and Assistant Minority Leader Winter
respond to inaccurate accusations by Representative Bradley that her concerns
about harassment by another member were not addressed by leadership.
These salacious accusations are patently false. House GOP Leadership takes
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every workplace safety and conduct violation seriously, and we are
steadfast advising our caucus members of the legislature's mandated policies
and procedures to address any complaints the Workplace Harassment Policy
attached to this document. The only process provided or allowed
under this policy requires the complaining member to file a
complaint with Workplaces. Leadership cannot file a complaint on behalf.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Of a member.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
The complaint must then go through the process of investigation.
Leadership has no role in this process. Members are elected
by their constituents and work for the people of the
State of Colorado. Leadership is not the employer of any member.
Leadership's role is to pursue a sensible legislative agenda on
behalf of the people of the State of Colorado, not
to discipline alleged misconduct. Members are only accountable to each
(23:27):
other and their constituents. Republicans are the party of personal responsibility.
All members receive information about workplace harassment and even take
a training. Leadership followed the mandated process by reminding Representative
Bradley of her obligation to file a complaint with workplace relations,
which she admitted in her statement. Leadership remains committed to
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maintaining a safe and respectful workplace culture for all who
serve and work in the Capitol. And it is signed
by Rose Paglsi to House Minority Leader Ti Winner, the
Assistant House Minority Leader, Carlos Baron, the newly elected House
Caucus Whip, and Anthony Hartsook.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
The House Caucus Chair.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Now, the details that Representative Bradley alluded to and drop
this bombshell on us the other day were pretty lurid
and pretty explicit, and I even had to drop a
beep in there.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Well.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
I went to Leadership about my own problems with Representative Weinberger.
I wasn't going to air that dirty laundry, and they
told me to file a workplace harassment against him, and
that was the only thing that I could do. I
have plenty more to say. I'm going to wait and
go to those proper channels. But Carolyn want B sat
there and listened to her husband discuss jobs on another
representative that was at the table the last night's session,
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and then talked about another representative who was waiting for
marriage to have intimate relations and she wasn't even at
the table. So for Carolyn to sit there and stand
by her man when she has heard these things come forward,
will I Am not going to sit here and let
her go nuclear on me and pretend like I am
the reason for his bad behavior. I will not do it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I've had this conversation too with Sheriff Steve Reims, who
knows a thing or two about the law, about the
difference between what's highly inappropriate workplace conduct and there are
procedures in place to address those concerns and what is illegal.
Was anything that represented Ron Weinberg, anything that he said
or did illegal, Well, that's a totally different ballgame. However,
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I've reached out, as has Sheriff Rheims numerous times on
behalf of the station, because we had Representative Bradley on,
because we had Jacquelin Anderson on, because we're about to
have Natalie Tenant on, to have the representative Ron Weinberg
himself come on and tell his version of events, his story,
so that invitation remains open. And Carolyn Weinberg did get
(25:40):
back to me, and they are kind of minding their
p's and q's, so to speak, with regard to any
illegal implications, and that's why I mentioned that what's illegal,
what's immoral, what's inappropriate, and how is it dealt with?
To this point, at least, Representative Weinberg has not felt
comfortable going on the air with public commentary, and they
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are consulting. They remain in consultation with their lawyer. So
that sets the stage for our next guest and joining
us now. We're glad that she could take the time.
She is the founder of Never Surrender National, big fan
of this program and we're a big fan of her.
Natalie Tenant joined us on Ryan Shooting Live.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Natalie, welcome, Ran my Faith.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
Thank you for having me on. As always as always,
I'm a little off right now because it's not school time,
so me and the Grand Center not in the car line,
so I have to set a reminder to remind myself.
But it stinks because you and Mandy kind of overlap
each other a little bit. So I got to play
ping pong, I know, suy, thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, during this two o'clock hour. And I'll have you
know that a lot of days Mandy gets done with
a three hour show and then she tunes right into
this program and I give her a lot of credit
for that, and I appreciate her tuning in.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
It's a great show.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So, Natalie, you wanted to come on this program and
give your perspective of what's going on with all of this,
and you had some suspicions about motivation behind Representative Brandy
Bradley coming forward, the timing of that, and the and
why she did that. What are your thoughts along those lines.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
I'm bringing the question up because I've been poked with
this and you know, I heard her again listening to
your show. I heard her on your show shortly after
you know, Ryan stepped down. So they need to fill whip.
They need to you know, fill his seat as well too.
So all that's you know, I pay attention. I'm involved
(27:29):
with the GOP. I'm very involved with my my county
GOP as well too, So paying attention. What's going to
happen now, who's going to throw their names in? You know,
like the sixteen people we have running for governor. I
pay attention. And as it started going out, I'm like,
I'm not touching this, Like I knew about this stuff
from three years ago. Here we go again, politics, That's
what I thought. So I get asked to buy a
(27:55):
co host on this space one night, so I get
on Brandy's on it. I noticed she's on listening and
it's like she's campaigning for this whip position. Long story short,
Ron gets in. They kind of have their thing back
and forth, and that's kind of when she started the allegations.
Was on the space and I'm like, whoa, Okay, here
we go again. Anyways, I brought up the point of
(28:17):
why are we campaigning for whip? Isn't this internal? Don't
you guys vote on this internal? By all means, let
me be really clear here, I'm not defending any actions
of his. I'm not supporting anything that has been said.
I feel bad for women. If this did happen, it
(28:37):
should be handled properly. Absolutely, hear me, loud and clear, everybody.
That's not what I'm talking about today. What I'm talking
about is this happened three years ago. She comes out
a space, she starts making allegations, caused a ruckus in
this space, by the way, and attacked me in the
space when I did nothing but thank her for being
on and told her I supported her. But that's last
(29:01):
year's news, and it was just how it went down,
and I was like, well, that's kind of shitty, and
I just kept following. I started having conversations with people
like I do. I started talking to legislatures. Yes, I've
had conversations with Ron and his wife and I told
them directly, I cannot defend you on this like this.
(29:22):
It has to be handled. What I want to know
is why now? Why now? Why not? When he was appointed,
that's when the allegations first came out, was around that time?
Why now again? Why wasn't it handled three years ago?
Why didn't Larimer County do more about this? Why didn't
the Republican Caucus at that time do more about that?
(29:43):
I just feel like watching this all go down on
socials and the tips for tests and the attacks and
the nastiness of all of this. This is some of
the reasons why we can't win here in Colorado is
because we always got to pick a fight. Not taking
light of accusations. Those should be handled seriously, But it's
timing that is just unbelievable to me. Now, Brandy wants
(30:05):
to say what Brandy wants to say. I know for
a fact because I speak to our Republican caucus, the
one that I don't really know. Well is heartsook? So
I can't speak on that. They would not ignore this, okay,
they would protect men and women if this happened to anybody.
There were statements that were put out. Rose did comment
and respond, Larimer County did respond, the State Party did respond.
(30:29):
But I think it's because they're not getting the answers
that Brandy Bradley wants. That this has become such a
crap show. It really is, and I don't like wow,
like just wow, it blows my mind. There's so many
little pieces to this, but nobody actually ever tells the
full truth. I will, I'll come out and say what
(30:50):
I know. Brandy's not speaking full truth right now, and
if she wants to go up to the challenge with this,
we can, we can, but she should speak full What
is her motive behind this? Why why did she jump
on and then now kind of what I'm hearing is
wash her hands to it. She doesn't want to be
apart because it got what too spicy? Now, maybe you
shouldn't have poked a bear. I feel like she's revictimized
(31:11):
these women, putting them out in the public to pray
they chose to do this. I get that. And if
these things really did happen, absolutely there should be accountability
for this. There's no place for that crap here, but
to make it a political theater is all I'm staying
with this right now, Ryan, And these are some of
the reasons why the Colorado Republican Party is not winning things,
(31:35):
because the division is so great and there's so much
hate and distain. For some people, it's a gotcha, we
got to get you. If we can get rid of them,
and we can remove them, it's a gotcha moment. There's
way more bigger things we should be focusing on there
than our petty differences that we've had over the years,
and I think that stuff needs to stop.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Natalie Tenant never surrender joining us here based on a
space communication that she has, and that Representative Bradley came
forward with her own personal allegations against Ron Weinberg. My
counter to that, Natalie would be the following, and that
did it happen? And if the answer is yes, then
doesn't matter with the timing, And Ron Weinberg should be
held accountable, I mean point blank, whether it's Brandy Bradley
(32:16):
or somebody else. And that would be the other point
it's not just Brandy who came forward. There are several
other women here. So I don't want to get distracted,
take my eye off the ball, like you said, kind
of circular firing squad, And now we're placing blame or
focus on Brandy when look, Ron Weinberg did this. He
was banned from LPR because of two instances that Jacqueline
(32:38):
Anderson told us about. And I don't feel bad for
the guy, and I think you said that too, But
like I said, I don't want to get distracted off
topic no matter when Representative Bradley brought this up to
me as immaterial because he did this, and what Jacqueline
told me was that she thought it had been resolved
with the LPR ban, and that would be a difficult
(32:59):
one right now for ron On Weinberg to explain away,
like why were you banned from LPR?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Why did that happen at all? But then he chose
affirmatively to enter this race.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Throws had into the ring for the minority whip, and
he had to know he couldn't be that naive that
none of this would come back up.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
So I'm just I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
More of it from like a common sense angle of well,
of course, Ron, you get into this fray political arena.
It's a rough sport to contact sport. And I'm not
surprised really by any of this, I guess is what
I'm trying to say.
Speaker 9 (33:29):
No, And I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you either, but
it's man. When is enough enough? Though, like, yeah, hold
it accountable. Everything is always taken to the public court.
Everything is always taken to the public court. And I
have empathy for these women though, I do, and to
(33:51):
accuse and to be so angry though with the State
Party and with the Republican Caucus of what they're not
doing right now. These things happened three four years ago,
So what are the proper channels? And I'm glad you
talked to Sheriff Reems because it's becoming this political spectacle
(34:13):
now and I think it's disgusting. The whole thing is disgusting.
But we air our grievances and we attack. And I
hear you, Ryan, I do hear you, And I want
to give grace. I've given grace to Brandy a gazillion times.
She's publicly attacked me and my family. Back to the
inciting violence Twitter space that I was on. Boy am
I controversial when nothing happened on that space? But she
(34:38):
went to socials. My husband was in the hospital and
I'm not looking for no empathy or pity here. But
the reason I didn't come out with a public statement
was because my husband almost lost his life. Okay, but
she had the gall two on socials claim that Dave William,
Tope Scheppelman and Anna Ferguson's lives mattered more at that
time than my husband in the hospital, Like there was
(34:58):
no grace there with that. I've supported for bills, I've
supported the good things that she has done. She's been
a good legislator. So why the fighting? Why always the
tit for tat fighting. She chose to take this public
on a Twitter space, and that's what if that represented her?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Oh, there's just a lot of on some event, right,
there's a lot of damage left in the wake. And again,
what I would center the focus on all of this,
whether it's yourself, Natalie, whether it's Jacqueline, whether it's representative
Brandy Bradley, whether it's one of the other accusers, is
this the nexus of this is Ron Weinberg, and he's
the guy that has to answer for this, these allegations,
the band from LPR, and the very reason that this
(35:38):
is a story in the first place, and at least
up until this point, he has not been willing or
able to go on the record with public comment on
a show like this one or anywhere else, so we're
left to fill in the void with conversations like these.
She's Natalie Tenant, Never Surrender founder that's Never Surrendered Nationally.
Can find them online at that very handle never Surrender
National dot com. Natalie, thanks for your time today.
Speaker 9 (36:00):
Thank you, Ryan, I appreciate you.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
Allways.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
All right, a timeout for back wrapping up our number
one Ryan Schuling Live after this.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
All right, here we are two minute warning before halftime.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Shannon Scott alongside Detroit Connection re established on this Thursday
edition of Ryan Schuling Live. Kelly Cacira alongside as well
your tax A lot of reaction to Natalie Tenant, our
previous guest in the last segment. Wow, Natalie Tennant is
one of the reasons that the GOP sucks in Colorado.
Her explanation to you was ridiculous blank her says this
(36:37):
textter Wow, straight fire, A lot of heat, fastballs coming
in hot. One thing Republicans do is hold the party accountable?
Can you imagine the cover up in silence from the
Marxists if the Democrats had done.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
This talk about the Epstein files? Yeah, I mean yeah this.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Tucker Carlson had a tremendous segment and interview about this.
And we're not just going to fall in line, should we?
And when we have disagreements with the Trump administration, as
I do vehemently over the handling of this Epstein case
and tire, then we owe it to people who listen
to this program, people who consume the mass media, whether
(37:15):
it's Tucker Carlson or Benny Johnson or Jack Posobic or
Charlie Kirk or anybody else, to be honest and not
just run cover for Trump every single time. I don't
agree with him on everything. Ryan, This lady talking about
Natalie is making no sense. Why do we care what
she thinks? Well, she knew some of the principles involved,
(37:35):
and from her perspective, wanted to set the record straight.
And this one says, thank you. She answered it. Why
didn't all these women bring it up three flipping years ago? Well,
it was brought up, it was handled, and Jacqueline Anderson
was one of those who joined me to talk about it, and.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Ron Weinberg was banned from LPR. That happened
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