October 10, 2025 • 38 mins
Weekly segment featuring Deborah Flora and Christian Toto in-studio with a conservative eye on the entertainment industry, focusing on a culture shift away from woke ideology in music, film, and television.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been very frustrating, very disappointing because on the intersection
of pop culture, entertainment and politics in America right here
on Ryan Schuling Live, it's been very frustrating, very disappointing
(00:21):
because this is a group that will scream and yell
about everything. And if there had been one, just one,
just one, If one of the forty eight remaining hostages
was an African American from let's say Miami, the entire
perspective on this whole thing would be changed.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
If it wasn't just Jews.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
In Israel, He's the entire perspective on this whole thing
had been changed. Let alone, if five college students from
you know, let's say Spellman or Clark or traditionally black.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know, university in this country.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Had been in Israel as to forest on October seven,
twenty twenty three, and it happened to be in the
way and had been kidnapped the worst, the entire perspective
on this would be changed.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Michael Rappaport live in studio with us from yesterday and
he is performing at Comedy Works South throughout the weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
The landmark of Greenwood.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Village and really the timing couldn't be better, at least
from our perspective here in the Denver Metro, to have
a comedian of Michael Rappaport's stature, but also of his
standing in the community when it comes to Jewish Americans,
and as he termed it. And we'll get into some
more of these comments from yesterday's conversation Christian Toto alongside
he joined me for that interview, Ryan Schuling with you
(01:37):
on the right side of Hollywood and joining us by
phone in just a moment. We'll be filmmaker Deborah Flora
per usual. But what really stood out to me is
at a time now where there appears to be a
peace deal in the Middle East of consequence for the
first time I think in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean, you can go back maybe to the late.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Seventies Jimmy Carter, and there was a piece accord signed
there at Camp David. But ever since then there have
been ut attempts, whether it was Ronald Reagan, my favorite president,
George Herbert walker Bush, who once called this problem unsolvable,
and recently a historian who hates Donald Trump said so
on MSNBC that even Herbert walker Bush was not very
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hopeful that this would ever get resolved. Bill Clinton probably
came the closest. He was trying to deal and negotiate
with Yasser era Fat and at the last minute Arafat
pulled the rug out from any agreement that would have
established a two state solution. I think Bill Clinton put
diligent effort into it. George W. Bush was not successful,
Barack Obama was not successful. Joe Biden was the opposite
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of successful. He's the very reason in my view, that
Hamas felt emboldened to invade Israel because they didn't believe
there would be consequences and there were not. And at
various times President Biden hemmed and hawed and tried to
hedge his bets and cozy up a little bit to
Hamas and the idea of a free Palestine and come
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out and be reticent with Benjamin Netanyahu and is Israel
and not view them as an ally. And what Donald
Trump was able to do in threading that needle, it
is something that should be studied for generations to come,
because he exhibited all of his best qualities in making deals,
in holding our partners accountable, not like Joe Biden did.
Knowing that Israel was a close ally of ours, but
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at the same time telling bb Natanyaho, look, you got
to back off, You've got to slow down. I've got
to make a deal here. You got to help me
out here, help me, help you. I'm your friend here.
We want to have your back, but you gotta trust me.
You gotta do this my way. I could just hear
Trump in various iterations of what I just said, saying
that very message to Bbe Natanyahu and then exerting the
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pressure on Hamas with the help of Katar in Turkey,
something Joe Biden could not do. And the evidence that
Donald Trump showed by bombing the nuclear sites in Iran,
sending the message setting the precedent that if you don't
play ball Hamas, that's what's going to happen. It all
came together in the deal, and it came together this
(04:02):
week when Michael Rappaport was right here in town and
he voiced in that clip and Christian chose that one
about why Hollywood types won't speak up about those Jewish
and some of them Americans being held as hostages, and
it just didn't fit the profile, he said of somebody
that the Hollywood types would care about. His example was
(04:23):
an African American and that they would be absolutely unglued
and probably talk about it a lot at various award
shows like the Oscars and Emmys, where they tend to
take political stands. Not one peep, not one word uttered
about Israel or the Jewish hostages being held by Amas.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I bring in Christian total because Christian.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I know you found that conversation as fascinating as I
did with Michael Rappaport yesterday. But that clip in particular
as a kind of a starting point.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Why did you select it?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Because I hadn't thought of that before, because I've been
covering this for quite some time. I've read a lot
about Michael rap before in some of his views, and
then we're here live talking to him and he mentioned
that situation, and.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
He's I think he's right. I really think he's right.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And it just shows you, Gosh, you know, I've dedicated
my whole professional life to covering Hollywood. I love Hollywood movies, TVs.
You know, you know it was a thrill to meet
Michael Rappaport. I'm going to put my journalistic hat aside. Yeah,
I enjoy him as an actor, I respect him as
a person, and by the way. He's a pretty liberal guy.
He was just wasn't wasn't James Woods walking into our studio.
(05:31):
Not not nearly like that. But he's open minded, and
he's smart, and he's feisty, and he's following things where
they need to go, and he's kind of listening, and he's,
as he said on the air yesterday, his views are
evolving as facts evolved, and he's gaining more information. Everything
about that interview was so interesting. And you know, one
of the things that I find frustrating is that I selfishly,
(05:52):
I want to interview more celebrities. I want to interview
more actors who have strong opinions, not because I want
to yell at them, not because I want to bark
at them or disagree with him, but I want them
to flesh out what they're saying. And so many times
Hollywood celebrities just say I believe in X, Y and Z,
and they can't defend it, and they won't defend it,
and they won't explain it, and they're never forced to
and listen, I don't mind you using your belly pulmit
(06:13):
as you please, that's America.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But they don't. They're never challenging what they have to say.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
And I think Michael Rappabort, if challenged, you know, would
have great answers or thoughtful answers, or even if we
don't agree on what he says, I think he's willing
to have that that dialogue.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And we did.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And I think the reason that we were able to
have that dialogue, you and me with him is we
did ask rather pointed questions that made him think they
weren't necessarily adversarial in nature, because I agree with a
lot of what Michael Rappaport has to say about Israel.
But what I wanted to flesh out, to borrow your
term there, Christian, was how he felt about that and
the consequences that.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He has paid.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
He put that in perspective and an answer to one
of my questions saying he's a proud Jewish man, but
the sacrifices he's made career getting canceled or shows canceled,
stops canceled, it paled in comparison to what the actual
hostages have been through and the families of those hostages
have been through. And I thought that shield a lot
of maturity on his part. And I'm glad to report
I have fixed the glitch to borrow from office space
(07:11):
there that Zach and I have been dealing with. It
was a button auto play. Who pressed it, I don't know,
but I unpressed it, So I'm not gonna have the
audio jumping in anymore. This one I'm meaning to play
at this time. And this is Rappaport talking about the
New York City connection for him, and of course with
the Long Island native Christian Toto as well.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And we have two years of forty eight hostages, two
of whom are American, two of whom are from New York.
They're American Israeli citizens. They happen to be from the
New York City area. So it resonates with me. It's
just not the New York thing to do, It's not
the American thing to do. To explain, rationalize people being
held hostage without any care they have it.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Not one of those hostages has been touched, seen, treated.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
By the Red Cross, the Blue Cross, the Green Cross,
the World Kitchen, the Food Kitchen, any of these. Not
one of them has gotten a band aid, a toenail clipper,
an a Spanish and now one of them has been treated,
given a drop of water. So when you talk about aid.
Not one of them has gotten any of that.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Aid, bringing Deborah Flora into the conversation. And Deborah, that's
another one of Michael's answers with us that made me think,
because you hear all of these lefties on college campuses
galore free Palestine, what about the poor children of Palestine.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That are going without food? Can't we render them aid?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And never once did I hear anybody on the left
talking about the condition or treatment of the Israeli hostages
being held by Hamas.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Absolutely? I mean, the hypocrisy is crazy to me. And
you know, Christian, I admire your desire to interview celebrities
to find out why they think the way they do.
But having lived there and worked there, one of the
main reasons why is because not only are they in
as silo, it's a lot of ignorance. And also I
think a lot of them don't even dig any deeper
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because they would risk They're standing in a place that
is like high school. Really, I mean, it's like who
are you with? Are you in the end party? It's
kind of like it gained a momentum this this unfortunate
petition and open letter banning and boycotting Israel one from
like twelve hundred, seeing there's just over four thousand, I
doubt that many of them even read it. And that's
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what is so troubling and why Michael.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Rappaport is able to.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Grow and develop because he is willing to ask those questions,
and that's why he's wanting to come on and interview
with people who don't agree with them. And on top
of everything, you know, Hollywood was completely buying into the
me too movement. But when people like Debra Messing and
others talked about and others produced movies showing how the
women were brutally, brutally abused by Hamas, there was no outcry.
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And it's you know, it's it's a combination in Hollywood
of ignorance, of cowardice, and really just a lack of
curiosity for self protection. It's it's a very unfortunate thing,
but it makes someone like Michael Rappaport all the more
noble and respectable for what he's willing to say and do.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It feeds into the stereotype of Hollywood types being shallow
and uninformed and not really wanting to wade into the
waters the deep end of the pool trying to establish knowledge,
and that's something that Rapaport has done, and I'd be
curious kind of threading the needle here, Deborah. To your
point about Deborah Messing, like if Christian Toto were to
interview her, because she is a fervent Trump hater, and
(10:27):
yet I believe the events of two years ago changed her.
She was the executive producer for October eighth, a film
that Michael Rappaport appeared in, and I would just wonder
if maybe, like with Michael, her tune on Trump may
have changed, especially in light of this peace deal that
is on the brink and it has happened. We're going
to see what happens coming up on Monday. But Deborah
flying blind perfectly set up our next clip even though
(10:49):
she didn't know it was coming. That is intuitiveness. But
Rapaport talks about this was the one question Christian that
you asked that jumped off the page to me with
his response, Michael Rappaport on his peers, why.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Aren't the euro Peers sticking up for you when you
have to deal with these issues.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Because they agree?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Because they agree, not all of them, but for thirty
nine hundred of them, Javier Bardam Quaquin.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Phoenix Stone, and so for in the Zone.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
They signed a letter saying that they won't work with
any companies that do business with Israel. And I'm like, well,
what about me? I'm an individual, Like, what are you
going to do when my name comes up? Because I've
clearly I stand by the sovereignty of Israel and be clear,
the government of Israel's flawed. The government of the United States
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is what. My city of New York is flawed. This city,
I don't know it very well. There's flaws. I'm a
flawed husband, I'm a flawed father, I was a flawed son,
my parents, everything and everybody is flawed. So I'm not
like one of these people who's you know, you can't
criticize and question.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
But even on that point, Debrah, all these celebrities are
blindly signing this document saying they won't work with any
companies that are funded by Israel, all the while willing
to overlook all of the many flaws of Hamas as
a terrorist group that subjugates women, that point that you
made earlier, that holds hostages, that rapes and burns twelve
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hundred Israelis on October seventh, twenty twenty three. That doesn't
seem to bother Javier Bardem, Joaquin Phoenix or m A.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Stone.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, I mean it's nothing new, Let's be honest. At
the same time that people are decrying in Hollywood and
large corporations and studios are decrying things like, you know,
the situation with Israel, they've been supporting China. How many
deals can we make with China despite all the human
rights violations there. This is simple and easy and makes
(12:53):
you popular with the in crowd. And I will say
in Hollywood, having worked there, there's a desperation level. Everyone's
always looking for their next job. Even if you're well known,
you can be canceled, in banned. So when you're constantly
looking for your next job, you go with.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
What is popular.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
You go with the path of least resistance. Not everyone,
and those who don't are to be greatly, greatly respected.
But when you look at this, I mean it's the
same people again, Mark Bruffalo and all of that. It
is simple, it's easy, it's virtue signaling. It does not
take any questioning. But and that's why you know, Christian,
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they're not going to come.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
On your shows.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Can when you actually ask them, Emma Stone are standing
up for women and you're decrying.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
The United States as so have somehow women are being abused.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
How about you stand up for those women who are
being stoned in places like Iran? Who backs Hamas and
the brutality that's happened there. It's not new, It's an
industry and there have been deals made with the devil,
so to speak, whether it's China, whether it's Palaestine. What
Hamas really anti Semitism? And you know, it's really up
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to Americans to decide. I want to support projects by
those who are undermining the very nature of what dignity
and humanity is or not. I mean, I really think
it's time for office to be very, very, very educated
and ethical consumers and though with our dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Deborah Flora on the phone line, she is traveling abroad
and Christian Toto in studio with me here on the
right side of Hollywood, talking about our conversation with Michael
Rappaport yesterday right in this studio and he's at comedy
work south Landmark at Greenwood Village this weekend. Mister Toto
will be in attendance tonight. Now, I asked him about
Donald Trump, and I found these comments to be fascinating
(14:39):
you and tell that he has really put some thought
into this rather than just orange Man bad and all
the insults that he used to hurl at Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And I asked him this way. You've evolved a lot
over these last few.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Years in many ways, and I imagine your act as
as well. Yes, and there's a lot of texture to
what you're able to present to an audience.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And one of those things.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
That I've watched you develop on is kind of this
evolution of your view of the president.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Donald Trump. He's a caricature in and of himself.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
How you approach that, what your view of him is,
how you incorporate any of that into your act.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's a good question, do you know. I'm trying to
figure that out because my views have changed, you know that.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Being said, I think all presidents are funny. Trump, whether
you like him or not, is funny, and his takes
on things are funny.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
His his.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
He's just he's just entertaining.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
But I've definitely it's changed a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It changed a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
So that's on the surface, He's funny and we know that,
and Donald Trump's hilarious. And we make fun of him
on the show because he makes fun of himself and
he makes himself like a target for humor. But this
is what Michael Rappaport reported back on after visiting Israel
and meeting with a freed hostage and the widower and
father of hostages who were killed.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
After meeting Eton Alexander, the hostage I was freed from
New Jersey who he had went to katar to get
uh you know that deal done, and meeting yard in Bibis,
Yard in Biebis is the family of the father of
the Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The two red headed babies and his beautiful redheaded.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Wife UH that were murdered, And and seeing them and
meeting them in real life, and and and knowing in
my guts, in my heart, in my in my soul
that the reason why I was able to meet them
while they're while they're free, why are they are free,
is because of Trump. I can't really make fun of
him anymore, be disrespectful. I can make fun in a fun,
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loving way, but I can't be disrespectful knowing what I know.
And that's a change, and and I'm I'm I'm good
with that.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's a big change from where Rapaport was at one
time with Donald Trump, and he finishes that thought right here.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He deserves uh, you know, my respect, and he deserves
Jews respect.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
And I was very, very tough on him before. I mean,
it changed, and you know, will you change?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I go, yes, I have changed, and I'm proud that
I've changed, and I encourage everybody to change. You know,
somebody like you change in the last two years, you
changed in the last twenty years. I'm like, if you haven't
changed in the last two years or the last twenty years,
you know, you need to work on yourself, because I
don't want to be the same person I was twenty
years ago. I was thirty five, I'm fifty five now.
If I'm the same person we got if I'm a
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thirty five year old personality and a fifty five year
old body, God helped my.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Wife, Christian. What do you make of his response there
on Trump?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Well, you have to get some contexts here, because he
wasn't just critical of Trump. He was calling him a
pig bleep time and time and time again. I don't
know if he was Rob Reiner level TDS, but he
was in that ballpark.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
In that ballpark.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Now, look at what he is today. And because, like
he said, he listened to new information e gauge what's
going on. He didn't just silo himself, and he allows
himself to change and grow, and also acknowledging that Trump
is extremely flawed and silly and funny and quirky and
all the things.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
We talk about.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
But he was able to open up his mind and
say what he had to say and understand the context here.
It's very impressive, again from a Hollywood actor, And I
want to circle back to I don't know if we
have time for this real quickly.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Here's the guy who's losing work.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Who's probably looked at differently within his community, a community
where jobs are very scarce, even though he has worked
all the time. I looked at his IMDb page. It's
not as popular as it once was recently. And then
you have Jimmy Kimmel who's been playing the victim for
weeks and it actually did bad things. It actually lied
and actually, you know, basically abuse his podium. Look at
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those two people. One says I'm a victim and is
crying and crying, and one is Michael Rappaport saying I'm
not a victim. The victims are hostages. The victims are
Jewish people who are under attack here. Those are the
real victims. I mean the maturity gap, the chasm between
the two is substantial.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Final word Debra Flora on the topic.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Yeah, you know it.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
In Hollywood, a lot of people refer to Peter pan mentality,
and that's really what it is. A Microropaport nailed it.
He is growing and maturing and developing into is a
human being. And isn't that our pathway in life to
grow and to be.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Open to new information?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
And somebody in Hollywood are stuck right where they are.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
And if you're not willing to have.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Your heart changed by talking to people who are some
of these the survivors or the actual families of the hostages,
I want to give a shout to Aili Samarano interviewed
her her son Yonatan Samarano what his body was released
in November and his body was the one that was
dragged by un workers across in the gaza. If you're
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not willing to stand and grow as Michael Rappaport is,
you're stagnating. You truly are a Peter Pant. It's an
easy life, but it is a shallow life, and honestly,
the greatest reward that people like Michael Rapport will have
is just the richest of who they become, the human
being and the ability to do what is right as
you see it and continue to grow otherwise.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
You truly are a Peter.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Pan dug in that mode, and that's unfortunately a lot
of Hollywood because of the desperation that's there.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So well said, and what I will repeat from yesterday
is what I experienced with Michael Rapaport was a guy
who was authentic, sincere, the genuine article. What you see
is what you get, like it or hate it, take
it or leave it. He has a true north Star
and that's not something you can say about a lot
of people in Hollywood like him. So thrilled to have
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that conversation. Hope you all enjoyed it as well. Those
were some of the highlights. You can catch the full
conversation on the Ryan Schuling Live podcast and be sure
to subscribe, download and listen.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
To those episodes.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
If you'd be so kind, Deborah, can you stay with
us for the fool of the Week.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I would be happy to my system.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
All right, Well, let's just set down the phone there
heart's unknown and she'll stick around and Christian Wild too.
We'll get your votes on our Friday Fool of the
Week nominees. Those are next on the right side of Hollywood.
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In Rochester last month, I was corning some men working
on a roof and we're waiting for them to come
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social media to summon people to protest and just watch
what happened next.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
ACHOI scene on Westminster Road Tuesday morning in Rochester, as
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Speaker 10 (23:27):
They're here putting on a roof, trying to make a
dollar and pan taxes on that dollar, and.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Ice was here bothering them. So I came to bother.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
Ice detaells and federal pilipes are limited, but our cameras
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Speaker 9 (23:55):
In fact, well done to everyone involved. I don't absolutely
love that, woman said. I came to bother Ice, because
that seems reasonable to me. If Ice can show up
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Speaker 3 (24:12):
It is only fed John Oliver this week tonight HBO,
a show I purposely avoid, except with clips like that
one that hit The headlines are full of the week
nominees begin with John Oliver. And this conflating of language
is very dangerous. And I don't say that lightly, but
I do say that in the wake of the assassination
(24:32):
of Charlie Kirk throwing around words like fascist, hitler, Nazis
and blurring a word like bothering because if you saw
the video of that, and you may have lost it
in the sauce with the reporter on the scene saying
that this suv for Ice had flat tires, they were
slashed tires.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
That was an aggressive act of It was a felony.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And at any time you get in the way of
a federal officer of Ice doing that slash they're tires.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And John Oliver is conflating that with bothering.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Them, and the audience gleefully laughs along. I was really
creeped out by this whole segment, Deborah Flora, and I
want to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Absolutely, I mean, this is such an upside down world
that we're in now. It is absolutely vilifying those who
are doing the job that we have tasked them to do, ice,
which is an important part of any nation. A nation
without borders is no nation at all, And you know,
making them into the villains and then making the people
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that were being you know, basically taken because they broke
the law as the victims.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
And the other thing is the ignorance.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I just that word is what has been going through
my mind over and over and over again. The woman
who was quoted saying they're just working and they're paying
taxes on that dollar.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Actually, the number one or two part.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Of the GDP in places like Mexico and others areas
of Central America is coming from money that is sent
out of our country. Most of those flks do not
pay taxes. That's part of the whole thing. And honestly,
the best thing we can do is bring people like
that back into a legal system. But yeah, it's an
upside down world and it's not something to laugh or
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joke about.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Brief aside on Deborah's point, and this is the one
I would make, having worked in many jobs where I
had to fill out WT two forms W fours. You
have to have legal status. You present a driver's license
or a green card. You have legal status to work
in the country. That's the basis on which you are hired.
That you're entered into a system from which taxes are withdrawn.
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These workers are they're illegals. They're not paying taxes they
might pay like sales tax, they're not paying income tax.
That money, like Debra said, it's going back home. They're
being paid cash under the table. It's the very reason
they're hired in the first place, because they're cheaper labor
than having to hire American citizens or legal status immigrants.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
In this country.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So that point needs to make the other one, Christian,
as I turned to you, my lonely eyes to you.
If this were right wing protesters against IRS agents in
the field looking to collect taxes that we don't happen
to like, and some right wing protesters slash the tires
of the IRS vehicles, with the left be reacting this
way slightly different.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
This is Late Night TV likes violence let's just be
let's just put it out there late.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I TV likes violence.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
We had Stephen Colbert's audience booed when they fit when
he announced that Trump was still alive. They have chuckled
over Luigi Mangioni and said always an acute asn'ty adorable, Luigi.
They have chuckled over Tesla dealerships getting lit on fire.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
They are promoting and cheering slashing of the tires, and
I'm sure these bothering incidents were more aggressive. They cheer
on that too. They want the violence, they like the violence.
And they've been told that there are forces in this
country that are so evil that violence is necessary. They've
been told that by Stephen Colbert and John Oliver and
Jimmy Kimmel and Seth Myers.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
John Oliver are first nominee for Friday Fool of the Week.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Our next one. It comes to you in.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Two parts, but I'm only gonna play the second. I'll
explain the first. AOC was getting on her soapbox and
thinking she was all cool. She was Johnny badass, but
in female form, and she was saying that Stephen Miller, she.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Doesn't know how Talia She's never met him, but she bets.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
She's about four foot ten and that he's really angry
and upset about that. He's an angry elf to borrow
from movie Elf. And then she got pushed back from
the shortman community, and I say that it's not a joke.
She responded to that in this video, and she tried
to make amends for it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Let's check out how she did. Can you be the judge.
Speaker 11 (28:37):
I want to express my love for the short king community.
I don't believe in body shaming. I am talking about
how big or small someone is on the inside. Like,
for example, I have no idea how tall Andrew Tait
is no idea at all, But that guy looks to
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me like.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Five three, like five three, five four.
Speaker 12 (29:06):
Whereas physically men of smaller stature can come across, they
are spiritually six foot. If you're a good dad, if
you're if you stand with women, if you're not belittling immigrants,
you're like, you know, six three, Spiritually, I.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Don't know, so total.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
She goes a long way to make the exact same point. Tall, good, short, bad.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
She's not bright.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Listen, you know one of the things that I thought about
she has said some of the cruelest, meanest things to
various people over the years, and she's never come close
to apologizing. But she makes one silly crack against the
short community and she's got to do a groveling quasi apology.
I just thought, isn't that interesting? And of all the
terrible things that she said and all the accusations and
all the nonsense she had to just she had a
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tap dance around that. She almost thinks like it's like
twenty twenty and the the woke mob is out to
get anyone cares about what she said about that and
what it just a silly thing to say. Well, if
I if I belittle the immigrant community, then maybe I'm
only five to two in in in my inside.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And by the way, is.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It the immigrant community or the illegal immigrant community? Can
you quit? Can you stop the deflating? It was the
complate of those two flating.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, Deborah, I know physically Jonathan your husband very tall man,
he's north of six foot.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Spiritually though, how tall is he?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Oh he's ten five? Yeah, there was Goliath.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I love it, spirit for sure, you know what.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
I listen to that quote and I'm just like.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Get someone who might actually primary Chuck Schumer for you know,
for the Senate who's being floated as the next Democrat
presidential candidate.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Actually use words.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Like I have so much love for the short king community,
and I have no body shaming. No, I won't shame
your body, but I will vilify your character and dehumanize you. No,
no body shaming you.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
Just listen to this.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
I'm like, oh my gosh, we as the American.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
People, get the government we deserve. I'm not saying all
of this, but people who are electing people like Aoc.
I mean, honestly, put her back. She was a bartender,
although she really came for a very wealthy community. That's
the kind of lingo and dialogue you want.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
From someone who's kind of riftent, not someone who wants
to lead.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Our country that's based on you know, amazing timeless principles.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
I just it's.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Bathlingk Choc expressly that support for the short tem community.
On the heels of John Oliver. Those are two of
our nominees. Batting in the three spot on this game
five day for the Tigers and the Alds against the
Seattle Mariners, heavy hitter.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And this will be tough to beat.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Katie Porter tries to dictate the terms of her interview
with Julie Watts of CBS Sacramento.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
How did that go?
Speaker 10 (31:50):
What I'm saying to you is that well to those voters.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, So I don't want to keep doing this. I'm
gonna call it. Oh thank you.
Speaker 13 (31:59):
You're not going to do the interview with them.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, it's not like this.
Speaker 10 (32:02):
I'm not not with seven follow ups to every single
question you ask.
Speaker 13 (32:05):
Every other candidate has a don't care.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I don't care.
Speaker 10 (32:08):
I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation which you
ask me about every issue on this list. And if
every question you're going to make up a follow up question,
then we're never going to get there and we're just
going to circle around.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And I had to do this before ever.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
You've never had to have an aversation to.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Okay, but every other candidate has done this. What part
of I'm me? I'm running for governor because I'm a leader.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
So I am going to make so.
Speaker 13 (32:36):
You're not going to answer questions from reporters. Okay, why
don't we go through. I will continue to ask follow
up questions because that's my job as a journalist. But
I will go through and ask these and if you
don't want to answer. You don't want to answer so
nearly every legislative.
Speaker 10 (32:50):
I don't want to have an unhappy experience, and I
don't want this whole on camera.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Oh my god, I'm terrified. I don't want to have
an unhappy experience with you up brough. The malignant narcissism
on display. This is jumping off the page, the manipulation.
She doesn't have control. She wants to try to dictate
the terms control of the interview. What kind of person
are we hearing from right there?
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Oh my gosh, someone who's never actually had to deal
with anything challenging. I think the fact I truly believe
her when she says, I've never.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Had to do this before.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Someone running for governor of California when the largest states
in the freest country still but we're losing that in
the world, has never had to have hard questions before.
This is a disservice by the way of the media
that doesn't actually challenge the candidates that they may even
agree with. They're not ready for prime time. It's what
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happened to Kamala Harris is what's going on here?
Speaker 6 (33:48):
And you know, my hat is off to the reporter.
She goes. That is my job as a reporter.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I will ask the questions and when she goes, I
wanted a pleasant experience.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
I'm like, you're not fit then morally, ethically, intellectually, or
damino wise for the job to lead one of the
largest states in our country, maybe California, because they've made
odd decisions before. But it's stunding to me. I truly
think she's never had to face a hard question before.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Christian I want a time machine.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Doc Brown's perhaps have to go back, snatch the young
Kathy Bates, bring her back and have her play her.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
In a sketch.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
And by the way, in a perfect world, Saturday Night Live,
which is far gone and corrupt and pathetic, would do
a huge sketch akin today. Now, the only slight chance
of it happening is I sense that the left in
the media, But I repeat myself, I think they're churning
on her because they realize how damaging she could be
to their cause because I think political. Maybe the next
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day had another story with another sort of damning anecdote,
so that's a slight possibility. But this is comedy gold here,
and I'm going to assume that Colbert and Kimmel and
Oliver and all the usual suspects won't touch this with
a ten foot poll. And it is I mean that
the skits right themselves. It should be John Stewart looking
at us amusement, throwing this pencil at us, banging the
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desk something. They just ignore it.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Having been in Julie Watts's shoes, I can almost one
hundred percent predict that Katie Porter and her team one
wanted the questions ahead of time, wanted to.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Know exactly what they were going to be.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And then even if Julie Watts did that, now she's
asking follow up questions.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Well, that's Katie Porter's not expecting that.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I've had a few guests try to have me send
them questions ahead of time, and I'm not going to
do that. So just so you know out there, if
you ever wanted to come on my program and not
going to do that, We'll do broad brushes like topics. Yeah,
but I'm not going to give you exactly word for
word when I'm going to ask you. That's not the
point of the interview or the exercise of those our
three nominees for our Friday Fool the Week. We'll get
our votes from Debora Flora, from Christian Toto, and we
(35:52):
come back wrapping up our number one of this odyssey.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
That is the right side of Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
No redeeming qualities, her poor husband, And yeah, Shanda, you
sent me this message.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
About the boiling potatoes.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That is a true storycord in court documented testimony by
her ex husband that she took a pot of boiling water,
had just boiled potatoes, dumped it on his head, scalded
his head. That's normal behavior. And Kathy Bates the perfect
casting choice, like you said, maybe a little bit younger.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, but wow.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Let's get our votes for Friday Fool of the Week again.
The nominees John Oliver this week tonight talking about crowding
and bothering ice officials and slashing their tires. Then you
got aoc walking back her comments on the short king community.
And Katie Porter, who just threw a hissy fit about
an interview in which she was actually asked follow up
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questions to the audacity. Let's go to Debora Flora. We've
taken up enough of her time. She's on the road.
You never hear vote And why Oh.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
You always make this so hard. If I was going
to go it's full of the week, the true term.
It has to be a you can't say short king
community and I love you in one sense and not sound.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Like a fool.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
But I have to go with Katie.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Porter for the crash and burn of the week because
this is not one thing that she's done. There's another
thing of her screaming profanity and an assistant, Oh yeah,
simply stepped in to correct her information.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
I got to go with Katie.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Porter, and then if anybody in California votes for her,
I'm afraid they're going to get.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
That vote for the full of the week. If they
continue that.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Way, there we go. We'll set that precedent.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Mister Toto John Oliver is so smug it's you can't
even measure it.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It goes off the charts.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
And for him to chuckle and be gleeful over violence,
it's beyond the pale end. Fool seems a bit too
innocuous to Yeah, but I'm gonna it's what we got.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Well, I use that word because it's radio. Oh, I
know there might be other words that I could use. Yes,
if we were at the book Condra a few myself.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Are Deborah Flora voting for Katie Porter, Christian Toto's on
board of John Oliver. If you want to give AOC
or either of those other two of votes, send them
along five seven seven three nine. We'll get some more
your texts as we wind down on this Friday.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Stay tuned. Ryan Shulding Live continues after this
It's been very frustrating, very disappointing because on the intersection
of pop culture, entertainment and politics in America right here
on Ryan Schuling Live, it's been very frustrating, very disappointing
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because this is a group that will scream and yell
about everything. And if there had been one, just one,
just one, If one of the forty eight remaining hostages
was an African American from let's say Miami, the entire
perspective on this whole thing would be changed.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
If it wasn't just Jews.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
In Israel, He's the entire perspective on this whole thing
had been changed. Let alone, if five college students from
you know, let's say Spellman or Clark or traditionally black.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know, university in this country.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Had been in Israel as to forest on October seven,
twenty twenty three, and it happened to be in the
way and had been kidnapped the worst, the entire perspective
on this would be changed.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Michael Rappaport live in studio with us from yesterday and
he is performing at Comedy Works South throughout the weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
The landmark of Greenwood.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Village and really the timing couldn't be better, at least
from our perspective here in the Denver Metro, to have
a comedian of Michael Rappaport's stature, but also of his
standing in the community when it comes to Jewish Americans,
and as he termed it. And we'll get into some
more of these comments from yesterday's conversation Christian Toto alongside
he joined me for that interview, Ryan Schuling with you
(01:37):
on the right side of Hollywood and joining us by
phone in just a moment. We'll be filmmaker Deborah Flora
per usual. But what really stood out to me is
at a time now where there appears to be a
peace deal in the Middle East of consequence for the
first time I think in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean, you can go back maybe to the late.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Seventies Jimmy Carter, and there was a piece accord signed
there at Camp David. But ever since then there have
been ut attempts, whether it was Ronald Reagan, my favorite president,
George Herbert walker Bush, who once called this problem unsolvable,
and recently a historian who hates Donald Trump said so
on MSNBC that even Herbert walker Bush was not very
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hopeful that this would ever get resolved. Bill Clinton probably
came the closest. He was trying to deal and negotiate
with Yasser era Fat and at the last minute Arafat
pulled the rug out from any agreement that would have
established a two state solution. I think Bill Clinton put
diligent effort into it. George W. Bush was not successful,
Barack Obama was not successful. Joe Biden was the opposite
(02:35):
of successful. He's the very reason in my view, that
Hamas felt emboldened to invade Israel because they didn't believe
there would be consequences and there were not. And at
various times President Biden hemmed and hawed and tried to
hedge his bets and cozy up a little bit to
Hamas and the idea of a free Palestine and come
(02:57):
out and be reticent with Benjamin Netanyahu and is Israel
and not view them as an ally. And what Donald
Trump was able to do in threading that needle, it
is something that should be studied for generations to come,
because he exhibited all of his best qualities in making deals,
in holding our partners accountable, not like Joe Biden did.
Knowing that Israel was a close ally of ours, but
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at the same time telling bb Natanyaho, look, you got
to back off, You've got to slow down. I've got
to make a deal here. You got to help me
out here, help me, help you. I'm your friend here.
We want to have your back, but you gotta trust me.
You gotta do this my way. I could just hear
Trump in various iterations of what I just said, saying
that very message to Bbe Natanyahu and then exerting the
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pressure on Hamas with the help of Katar in Turkey,
something Joe Biden could not do. And the evidence that
Donald Trump showed by bombing the nuclear sites in Iran,
sending the message setting the precedent that if you don't
play ball Hamas, that's what's going to happen. It all
came together in the deal, and it came together this
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week when Michael Rappaport was right here in town and
he voiced in that clip and Christian chose that one
about why Hollywood types won't speak up about those Jewish
and some of them Americans being held as hostages, and
it just didn't fit the profile, he said of somebody
that the Hollywood types would care about. His example was
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an African American and that they would be absolutely unglued
and probably talk about it a lot at various award
shows like the Oscars and Emmys, where they tend to
take political stands. Not one peep, not one word uttered
about Israel or the Jewish hostages being held by Amas.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I bring in Christian total because Christian.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I know you found that conversation as fascinating as I
did with Michael Rappaport yesterday. But that clip in particular
as a kind of a starting point.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Why did you select it?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Because I hadn't thought of that before, because I've been
covering this for quite some time. I've read a lot
about Michael rap before in some of his views, and
then we're here live talking to him and he mentioned
that situation, and.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
He's I think he's right. I really think he's right.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And it just shows you, Gosh, you know, I've dedicated
my whole professional life to covering Hollywood. I love Hollywood movies, TVs.
You know, you know it was a thrill to meet
Michael Rappaport. I'm going to put my journalistic hat aside. Yeah,
I enjoy him as an actor, I respect him as
a person, and by the way. He's a pretty liberal guy.
He was just wasn't wasn't James Woods walking into our studio.
(05:31):
Not not nearly like that. But he's open minded, and
he's smart, and he's feisty, and he's following things where
they need to go, and he's kind of listening, and he's,
as he said on the air yesterday, his views are
evolving as facts evolved, and he's gaining more information. Everything
about that interview was so interesting. And you know, one
of the things that I find frustrating is that I selfishly,
(05:52):
I want to interview more celebrities. I want to interview
more actors who have strong opinions, not because I want
to yell at them, not because I want to bark
at them or disagree with him, but I want them
to flesh out what they're saying. And so many times
Hollywood celebrities just say I believe in X, Y and Z,
and they can't defend it, and they won't defend it,
and they won't explain it, and they're never forced to
and listen, I don't mind you using your belly pulmit
(06:13):
as you please, that's America.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But they don't. They're never challenging what they have to say.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
And I think Michael Rappabort, if challenged, you know, would
have great answers or thoughtful answers, or even if we
don't agree on what he says, I think he's willing
to have that that dialogue.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And we did.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And I think the reason that we were able to
have that dialogue, you and me with him is we
did ask rather pointed questions that made him think they
weren't necessarily adversarial in nature, because I agree with a
lot of what Michael Rappaport has to say about Israel.
But what I wanted to flesh out, to borrow your
term there, Christian, was how he felt about that and
the consequences that.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He has paid.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
He put that in perspective and an answer to one
of my questions saying he's a proud Jewish man, but
the sacrifices he's made career getting canceled or shows canceled,
stops canceled, it paled in comparison to what the actual
hostages have been through and the families of those hostages
have been through. And I thought that shield a lot
of maturity on his part. And I'm glad to report
I have fixed the glitch to borrow from office space
(07:11):
there that Zach and I have been dealing with. It
was a button auto play. Who pressed it, I don't know,
but I unpressed it, So I'm not gonna have the
audio jumping in anymore. This one I'm meaning to play
at this time. And this is Rappaport talking about the
New York City connection for him, and of course with
the Long Island native Christian Toto as well.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And we have two years of forty eight hostages, two
of whom are American, two of whom are from New York.
They're American Israeli citizens. They happen to be from the
New York City area. So it resonates with me. It's
just not the New York thing to do, It's not
the American thing to do. To explain, rationalize people being
held hostage without any care they have it.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Not one of those hostages has been touched, seen, treated.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
By the Red Cross, the Blue Cross, the Green Cross,
the World Kitchen, the Food Kitchen, any of these. Not
one of them has gotten a band aid, a toenail clipper,
an a Spanish and now one of them has been treated,
given a drop of water. So when you talk about aid.
Not one of them has gotten any of that.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Aid, bringing Deborah Flora into the conversation. And Deborah, that's
another one of Michael's answers with us that made me think,
because you hear all of these lefties on college campuses
galore free Palestine, what about the poor children of Palestine.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That are going without food? Can't we render them aid?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And never once did I hear anybody on the left
talking about the condition or treatment of the Israeli hostages
being held by Hamas.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Absolutely? I mean, the hypocrisy is crazy to me. And
you know, Christian, I admire your desire to interview celebrities
to find out why they think the way they do.
But having lived there and worked there, one of the
main reasons why is because not only are they in
as silo, it's a lot of ignorance. And also I
think a lot of them don't even dig any deeper
(08:56):
because they would risk They're standing in a place that
is like high school. Really, I mean, it's like who
are you with? Are you in the end party? It's
kind of like it gained a momentum this this unfortunate
petition and open letter banning and boycotting Israel one from
like twelve hundred, seeing there's just over four thousand, I
doubt that many of them even read it. And that's
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what is so troubling and why Michael.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Rappaport is able to.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Grow and develop because he is willing to ask those questions,
and that's why he's wanting to come on and interview
with people who don't agree with them. And on top
of everything, you know, Hollywood was completely buying into the
me too movement. But when people like Debra Messing and
others talked about and others produced movies showing how the
women were brutally, brutally abused by Hamas, there was no outcry.
(09:49):
And it's you know, it's it's a combination in Hollywood
of ignorance, of cowardice, and really just a lack of
curiosity for self protection. It's it's a very unfortunate thing,
but it makes someone like Michael Rappaport all the more
noble and respectable for what he's willing to say and do.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It feeds into the stereotype of Hollywood types being shallow
and uninformed and not really wanting to wade into the
waters the deep end of the pool trying to establish knowledge,
and that's something that Rapaport has done, and I'd be
curious kind of threading the needle here, Deborah. To your
point about Deborah Messing, like if Christian Toto were to
interview her, because she is a fervent Trump hater, and
(10:27):
yet I believe the events of two years ago changed her.
She was the executive producer for October eighth, a film
that Michael Rappaport appeared in, and I would just wonder
if maybe, like with Michael, her tune on Trump may
have changed, especially in light of this peace deal that
is on the brink and it has happened. We're going
to see what happens coming up on Monday. But Deborah
flying blind perfectly set up our next clip even though
(10:49):
she didn't know it was coming. That is intuitiveness. But
Rapaport talks about this was the one question Christian that
you asked that jumped off the page to me with
his response, Michael Rappaport on his peers, why.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Aren't the euro Peers sticking up for you when you
have to deal with these issues.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Because they agree?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Because they agree, not all of them, but for thirty
nine hundred of them, Javier Bardam Quaquin.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Phoenix Stone, and so for in the Zone.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
They signed a letter saying that they won't work with
any companies that do business with Israel. And I'm like, well,
what about me? I'm an individual, Like, what are you
going to do when my name comes up? Because I've
clearly I stand by the sovereignty of Israel and be clear,
the government of Israel's flawed. The government of the United States
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is what. My city of New York is flawed. This city,
I don't know it very well. There's flaws. I'm a
flawed husband, I'm a flawed father, I was a flawed son,
my parents, everything and everybody is flawed. So I'm not
like one of these people who's you know, you can't
criticize and question.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
But even on that point, Debrah, all these celebrities are
blindly signing this document saying they won't work with any
companies that are funded by Israel, all the while willing
to overlook all of the many flaws of Hamas as
a terrorist group that subjugates women, that point that you
made earlier, that holds hostages, that rapes and burns twelve
(12:23):
hundred Israelis on October seventh, twenty twenty three. That doesn't
seem to bother Javier Bardem, Joaquin Phoenix or m A.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Stone.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, I mean it's nothing new, Let's be honest. At
the same time that people are decrying in Hollywood and
large corporations and studios are decrying things like, you know,
the situation with Israel, they've been supporting China. How many
deals can we make with China despite all the human
rights violations there. This is simple and easy and makes
(12:53):
you popular with the in crowd. And I will say
in Hollywood, having worked there, there's a desperation level. Everyone's
always looking for their next job. Even if you're well known,
you can be canceled, in banned. So when you're constantly
looking for your next job, you go with.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
What is popular.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
You go with the path of least resistance. Not everyone,
and those who don't are to be greatly, greatly respected.
But when you look at this, I mean it's the
same people again, Mark Bruffalo and all of that. It
is simple, it's easy, it's virtue signaling. It does not
take any questioning. But and that's why you know, Christian,
(13:28):
they're not going to come.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
On your shows.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Can when you actually ask them, Emma Stone are standing
up for women and you're decrying.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
The United States as so have somehow women are being abused.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
How about you stand up for those women who are
being stoned in places like Iran? Who backs Hamas and
the brutality that's happened there. It's not new, It's an
industry and there have been deals made with the devil,
so to speak, whether it's China, whether it's Palaestine. What
Hamas really anti Semitism? And you know, it's really up
(13:58):
to Americans to decide. I want to support projects by
those who are undermining the very nature of what dignity
and humanity is or not. I mean, I really think
it's time for office to be very, very, very educated
and ethical consumers and though with our dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Deborah Flora on the phone line, she is traveling abroad
and Christian Toto in studio with me here on the
right side of Hollywood, talking about our conversation with Michael
Rappaport yesterday right in this studio and he's at comedy
work south Landmark at Greenwood Village this weekend. Mister Toto
will be in attendance tonight. Now, I asked him about
Donald Trump, and I found these comments to be fascinating
(14:39):
you and tell that he has really put some thought
into this rather than just orange Man bad and all
the insults that he used to hurl at Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And I asked him this way. You've evolved a lot
over these last few.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Years in many ways, and I imagine your act as
as well. Yes, and there's a lot of texture to
what you're able to present to an audience.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And one of those things.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
That I've watched you develop on is kind of this
evolution of your view of the president.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Donald Trump. He's a caricature in and of himself.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
How you approach that, what your view of him is,
how you incorporate any of that into your act.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's a good question, do you know. I'm trying to
figure that out because my views have changed, you know that.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Being said, I think all presidents are funny. Trump, whether
you like him or not, is funny, and his takes
on things are funny.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
His his.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
He's just he's just entertaining.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
But I've definitely it's changed a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It changed a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
So that's on the surface, He's funny and we know that,
and Donald Trump's hilarious. And we make fun of him
on the show because he makes fun of himself and
he makes himself like a target for humor. But this
is what Michael Rappaport reported back on after visiting Israel
and meeting with a freed hostage and the widower and
father of hostages who were killed.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
After meeting Eton Alexander, the hostage I was freed from
New Jersey who he had went to katar to get
uh you know that deal done, and meeting yard in Bibis,
Yard in Biebis is the family of the father of
the Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The two red headed babies and his beautiful redheaded.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Wife UH that were murdered, And and seeing them and
meeting them in real life, and and and knowing in
my guts, in my heart, in my in my soul
that the reason why I was able to meet them
while they're while they're free, why are they are free,
is because of Trump. I can't really make fun of
him anymore, be disrespectful. I can make fun in a fun,
(16:40):
loving way, but I can't be disrespectful knowing what I know.
And that's a change, and and I'm I'm I'm good
with that.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's a big change from where Rapaport was at one
time with Donald Trump, and he finishes that thought right here.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He deserves uh, you know, my respect, and he deserves
Jews respect.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
And I was very, very tough on him before. I mean,
it changed, and you know, will you change?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I go, yes, I have changed, and I'm proud that
I've changed, and I encourage everybody to change. You know,
somebody like you change in the last two years, you
changed in the last twenty years. I'm like, if you haven't
changed in the last two years or the last twenty years,
you know, you need to work on yourself, because I
don't want to be the same person I was twenty
years ago. I was thirty five, I'm fifty five now.
If I'm the same person we got if I'm a
(17:25):
thirty five year old personality and a fifty five year
old body, God helped my.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Wife, Christian. What do you make of his response there
on Trump?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Well, you have to get some contexts here, because he
wasn't just critical of Trump. He was calling him a
pig bleep time and time and time again. I don't
know if he was Rob Reiner level TDS, but he
was in that ballpark.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
In that ballpark.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Now, look at what he is today. And because, like
he said, he listened to new information e gauge what's
going on. He didn't just silo himself, and he allows
himself to change and grow, and also acknowledging that Trump
is extremely flawed and silly and funny and quirky and
all the things.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
We talk about.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
But he was able to open up his mind and
say what he had to say and understand the context here.
It's very impressive, again from a Hollywood actor, And I
want to circle back to I don't know if we
have time for this real quickly.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Here's the guy who's losing work.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Who's probably looked at differently within his community, a community
where jobs are very scarce, even though he has worked
all the time. I looked at his IMDb page. It's
not as popular as it once was recently. And then
you have Jimmy Kimmel who's been playing the victim for
weeks and it actually did bad things. It actually lied
and actually, you know, basically abuse his podium. Look at
(18:37):
those two people. One says I'm a victim and is
crying and crying, and one is Michael Rappaport saying I'm
not a victim. The victims are hostages. The victims are
Jewish people who are under attack here. Those are the
real victims. I mean the maturity gap, the chasm between
the two is substantial.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Final word Debra Flora on the topic.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Yeah, you know it.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
In Hollywood, a lot of people refer to Peter pan mentality,
and that's really what it is. A Microropaport nailed it.
He is growing and maturing and developing into is a
human being. And isn't that our pathway in life to
grow and to be.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Open to new information?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
And somebody in Hollywood are stuck right where they are.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
And if you're not willing to have.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Your heart changed by talking to people who are some
of these the survivors or the actual families of the hostages,
I want to give a shout to Aili Samarano interviewed
her her son Yonatan Samarano what his body was released
in November and his body was the one that was
dragged by un workers across in the gaza. If you're
(19:37):
not willing to stand and grow as Michael Rappaport is,
you're stagnating. You truly are a Peter Pant. It's an
easy life, but it is a shallow life, and honestly,
the greatest reward that people like Michael Rapport will have
is just the richest of who they become, the human
being and the ability to do what is right as
you see it and continue to grow otherwise.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
You truly are a Peter.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Pan dug in that mode, and that's unfortunately a lot
of Hollywood because of the desperation that's there.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So well said, and what I will repeat from yesterday
is what I experienced with Michael Rapaport was a guy
who was authentic, sincere, the genuine article. What you see
is what you get, like it or hate it, take
it or leave it. He has a true north Star
and that's not something you can say about a lot
of people in Hollywood like him. So thrilled to have
(20:26):
that conversation. Hope you all enjoyed it as well. Those
were some of the highlights. You can catch the full
conversation on the Ryan Schuling Live podcast and be sure
to subscribe, download and listen.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
To those episodes.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
If you'd be so kind, Deborah, can you stay with
us for the fool of the Week.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I would be happy to my system.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
All right, Well, let's just set down the phone there
heart's unknown and she'll stick around and Christian Wild too.
We'll get your votes on our Friday Fool of the
Week nominees. Those are next on the right side of Hollywood.
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Speaker 9 (23:06):
In Rochester last month, I was corning some men working
on a roof and we're waiting for them to come
down to arrest them. But a local pasta went on
social media to summon people to protest and just watch
what happened next.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
ACHOI scene on Westminster Road Tuesday morning in Rochester, as
federal agents were carrying out in ice enforcement and removal operation.
Speaker 10 (23:27):
They're here putting on a roof, trying to make a
dollar and pan taxes on that dollar, and.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Ice was here bothering them. So I came to bother.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
Ice detaells and federal pilipes are limited, but our cameras
captured a board patrol veale who I have the scene
with flat tires. In response to the large crowd, agents
left Westminster and the SUV was told a few blocks away, well.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
In fact, well done to everyone involved. I don't absolutely
love that, woman said. I came to bother Ice, because
that seems reasonable to me. If Ice can show up
and bother some guys out that roofing job, then bystanders
should be able to bother Ice at their state sanctioned
kidnapping job.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It is only fed John Oliver this week tonight HBO,
a show I purposely avoid, except with clips like that
one that hit The headlines are full of the week
nominees begin with John Oliver. And this conflating of language
is very dangerous. And I don't say that lightly, but
I do say that in the wake of the assassination
(24:32):
of Charlie Kirk throwing around words like fascist, hitler, Nazis
and blurring a word like bothering because if you saw
the video of that, and you may have lost it
in the sauce with the reporter on the scene saying
that this suv for Ice had flat tires, they were
slashed tires.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
That was an aggressive act of It was a felony.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And at any time you get in the way of
a federal officer of Ice doing that slash they're tires.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And John Oliver is conflating that with bothering.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Them, and the audience gleefully laughs along. I was really
creeped out by this whole segment, Deborah Flora, and I
want to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Absolutely, I mean, this is such an upside down world
that we're in now. It is absolutely vilifying those who
are doing the job that we have tasked them to do, ice,
which is an important part of any nation. A nation
without borders is no nation at all, And you know,
making them into the villains and then making the people
(25:36):
that were being you know, basically taken because they broke
the law as the victims.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
And the other thing is the ignorance.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I just that word is what has been going through
my mind over and over and over again. The woman
who was quoted saying they're just working and they're paying
taxes on that dollar.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Actually, the number one or two part.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Of the GDP in places like Mexico and others areas
of Central America is coming from money that is sent
out of our country. Most of those flks do not
pay taxes. That's part of the whole thing. And honestly,
the best thing we can do is bring people like
that back into a legal system. But yeah, it's an
upside down world and it's not something to laugh or
(26:19):
joke about.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Brief aside on Deborah's point, and this is the one
I would make, having worked in many jobs where I
had to fill out WT two forms W fours. You
have to have legal status. You present a driver's license
or a green card. You have legal status to work
in the country. That's the basis on which you are hired.
That you're entered into a system from which taxes are withdrawn.
(26:40):
These workers are they're illegals. They're not paying taxes they
might pay like sales tax, they're not paying income tax.
That money, like Debra said, it's going back home. They're
being paid cash under the table. It's the very reason
they're hired in the first place, because they're cheaper labor
than having to hire American citizens or legal status immigrants.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
In this country.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So that point needs to make the other one, Christian,
as I turned to you, my lonely eyes to you.
If this were right wing protesters against IRS agents in
the field looking to collect taxes that we don't happen
to like, and some right wing protesters slash the tires
of the IRS vehicles, with the left be reacting this
way slightly different.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
This is Late Night TV likes violence let's just be
let's just put it out there late.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I TV likes violence.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
We had Stephen Colbert's audience booed when they fit when
he announced that Trump was still alive. They have chuckled
over Luigi Mangioni and said always an acute asn'ty adorable, Luigi.
They have chuckled over Tesla dealerships getting lit on fire.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
They are promoting and cheering slashing of the tires, and
I'm sure these bothering incidents were more aggressive. They cheer
on that too. They want the violence, they like the violence.
And they've been told that there are forces in this
country that are so evil that violence is necessary. They've
been told that by Stephen Colbert and John Oliver and
Jimmy Kimmel and Seth Myers.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
John Oliver are first nominee for Friday Fool of the Week.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Our next one. It comes to you in.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Two parts, but I'm only gonna play the second. I'll
explain the first. AOC was getting on her soapbox and
thinking she was all cool. She was Johnny badass, but
in female form, and she was saying that Stephen Miller, she.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Doesn't know how Talia She's never met him, but she bets.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
She's about four foot ten and that he's really angry
and upset about that. He's an angry elf to borrow
from movie Elf. And then she got pushed back from
the shortman community, and I say that it's not a joke.
She responded to that in this video, and she tried
to make amends for it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Let's check out how she did. Can you be the judge.
Speaker 11 (28:37):
I want to express my love for the short king community.
I don't believe in body shaming. I am talking about
how big or small someone is on the inside. Like,
for example, I have no idea how tall Andrew Tait
is no idea at all, But that guy looks to
(28:59):
me like.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Five three, like five three, five four.
Speaker 12 (29:06):
Whereas physically men of smaller stature can come across, they
are spiritually six foot. If you're a good dad, if
you're if you stand with women, if you're not belittling immigrants,
you're like, you know, six three, Spiritually, I.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Don't know, so total.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
She goes a long way to make the exact same point. Tall, good, short, bad.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
She's not bright.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Listen, you know one of the things that I thought about
she has said some of the cruelest, meanest things to
various people over the years, and she's never come close
to apologizing. But she makes one silly crack against the
short community and she's got to do a groveling quasi apology.
I just thought, isn't that interesting? And of all the
terrible things that she said and all the accusations and
all the nonsense she had to just she had a
(29:56):
tap dance around that. She almost thinks like it's like
twenty twenty and the the woke mob is out to
get anyone cares about what she said about that and
what it just a silly thing to say. Well, if
I if I belittle the immigrant community, then maybe I'm
only five to two in in in my inside.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And by the way, is.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It the immigrant community or the illegal immigrant community? Can
you quit? Can you stop the deflating? It was the
complate of those two flating.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, Deborah, I know physically Jonathan your husband very tall man,
he's north of six foot.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Spiritually though, how tall is he?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Oh he's ten five? Yeah, there was Goliath.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I love it, spirit for sure, you know what.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
I listen to that quote and I'm just like.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Get someone who might actually primary Chuck Schumer for you know,
for the Senate who's being floated as the next Democrat
presidential candidate.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Actually use words.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Like I have so much love for the short king community,
and I have no body shaming. No, I won't shame
your body, but I will vilify your character and dehumanize you. No,
no body shaming you.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
Just listen to this.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
I'm like, oh my gosh, we as the American.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
People, get the government we deserve. I'm not saying all
of this, but people who are electing people like Aoc.
I mean, honestly, put her back. She was a bartender,
although she really came for a very wealthy community. That's
the kind of lingo and dialogue you want.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
From someone who's kind of riftent, not someone who wants
to lead.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Our country that's based on you know, amazing timeless principles.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
I just it's.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Bathlingk Choc expressly that support for the short tem community.
On the heels of John Oliver. Those are two of
our nominees. Batting in the three spot on this game
five day for the Tigers and the Alds against the
Seattle Mariners, heavy hitter.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And this will be tough to beat.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Katie Porter tries to dictate the terms of her interview
with Julie Watts of CBS Sacramento.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
How did that go?
Speaker 10 (31:50):
What I'm saying to you is that well to those voters.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, So I don't want to keep doing this. I'm
gonna call it. Oh thank you.
Speaker 13 (31:59):
You're not going to do the interview with them.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, it's not like this.
Speaker 10 (32:02):
I'm not not with seven follow ups to every single
question you ask.
Speaker 13 (32:05):
Every other candidate has a don't care.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I don't care.
Speaker 10 (32:08):
I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation which you
ask me about every issue on this list. And if
every question you're going to make up a follow up question,
then we're never going to get there and we're just
going to circle around.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And I had to do this before ever.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
You've never had to have an aversation to.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Okay, but every other candidate has done this. What part
of I'm me? I'm running for governor because I'm a leader.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
So I am going to make so.
Speaker 13 (32:36):
You're not going to answer questions from reporters. Okay, why
don't we go through. I will continue to ask follow
up questions because that's my job as a journalist. But
I will go through and ask these and if you
don't want to answer. You don't want to answer so
nearly every legislative.
Speaker 10 (32:50):
I don't want to have an unhappy experience, and I
don't want this whole on camera.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Oh my god, I'm terrified. I don't want to have
an unhappy experience with you up brough. The malignant narcissism
on display. This is jumping off the page, the manipulation.
She doesn't have control. She wants to try to dictate
the terms control of the interview. What kind of person
are we hearing from right there?
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Oh my gosh, someone who's never actually had to deal
with anything challenging. I think the fact I truly believe
her when she says, I've never.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Had to do this before.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Someone running for governor of California when the largest states
in the freest country still but we're losing that in
the world, has never had to have hard questions before.
This is a disservice by the way of the media
that doesn't actually challenge the candidates that they may even
agree with. They're not ready for prime time. It's what
(33:45):
happened to Kamala Harris is what's going on here?
Speaker 6 (33:48):
And you know, my hat is off to the reporter.
She goes. That is my job as a reporter.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I will ask the questions and when she goes, I
wanted a pleasant experience.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
I'm like, you're not fit then morally, ethically, intellectually, or
damino wise for the job to lead one of the
largest states in our country, maybe California, because they've made
odd decisions before. But it's stunding to me. I truly
think she's never had to face a hard question before.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Christian I want a time machine.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Doc Brown's perhaps have to go back, snatch the young
Kathy Bates, bring her back and have her play her.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
In a sketch.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
And by the way, in a perfect world, Saturday Night Live,
which is far gone and corrupt and pathetic, would do
a huge sketch akin today. Now, the only slight chance
of it happening is I sense that the left in
the media, But I repeat myself, I think they're churning
on her because they realize how damaging she could be
to their cause because I think political. Maybe the next
(34:50):
day had another story with another sort of damning anecdote,
so that's a slight possibility. But this is comedy gold here,
and I'm going to assume that Colbert and Kimmel and
Oliver and all the usual suspects won't touch this with
a ten foot poll. And it is I mean that
the skits right themselves. It should be John Stewart looking
at us amusement, throwing this pencil at us, banging the
(35:12):
desk something. They just ignore it.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Having been in Julie Watts's shoes, I can almost one
hundred percent predict that Katie Porter and her team one
wanted the questions ahead of time, wanted to.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Know exactly what they were going to be.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And then even if Julie Watts did that, now she's
asking follow up questions.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Well, that's Katie Porter's not expecting that.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I've had a few guests try to have me send
them questions ahead of time, and I'm not going to
do that. So just so you know out there, if
you ever wanted to come on my program and not
going to do that, We'll do broad brushes like topics. Yeah,
but I'm not going to give you exactly word for
word when I'm going to ask you. That's not the
point of the interview or the exercise of those our
three nominees for our Friday Fool the Week. We'll get
our votes from Debora Flora, from Christian Toto, and we
(35:52):
come back wrapping up our number one of this odyssey.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
That is the right side of Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
No redeeming qualities, her poor husband, And yeah, Shanda, you
sent me this message.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
About the boiling potatoes.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That is a true storycord in court documented testimony by
her ex husband that she took a pot of boiling water,
had just boiled potatoes, dumped it on his head, scalded
his head. That's normal behavior. And Kathy Bates the perfect
casting choice, like you said, maybe a little bit younger.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, but wow.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Let's get our votes for Friday Fool of the Week again.
The nominees John Oliver this week tonight talking about crowding
and bothering ice officials and slashing their tires. Then you
got aoc walking back her comments on the short king community.
And Katie Porter, who just threw a hissy fit about
an interview in which she was actually asked follow up
(36:48):
questions to the audacity. Let's go to Debora Flora. We've
taken up enough of her time. She's on the road.
You never hear vote And why Oh.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
You always make this so hard. If I was going
to go it's full of the week, the true term.
It has to be a you can't say short king
community and I love you in one sense and not sound.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Like a fool.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
But I have to go with Katie.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Porter for the crash and burn of the week because
this is not one thing that she's done. There's another
thing of her screaming profanity and an assistant, Oh yeah,
simply stepped in to correct her information.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
I got to go with Katie.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Porter, and then if anybody in California votes for her,
I'm afraid they're going to get.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
That vote for the full of the week. If they
continue that.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Way, there we go. We'll set that precedent.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Mister Toto John Oliver is so smug it's you can't
even measure it.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It goes off the charts.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
And for him to chuckle and be gleeful over violence,
it's beyond the pale end. Fool seems a bit too
innocuous to Yeah, but I'm gonna it's what we got.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Well, I use that word because it's radio. Oh, I
know there might be other words that I could use. Yes,
if we were at the book Condra a few myself.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Are Deborah Flora voting for Katie Porter, Christian Toto's on
board of John Oliver. If you want to give AOC
or either of those other two of votes, send them
along five seven seven three nine. We'll get some more
your texts as we wind down on this Friday.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Stay tuned. Ryan Shulding Live continues after this
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