July 25, 2025 • 35 mins
Weekly segment featuring Deborah Flora and Christian Toto in-studio with a conservative eye on the entertainment industry, focusing on a culture shift away from woke ideology in music, film, and television.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dying at the age of seventy one yesterday and taking
a lot of the hopes and dreams of gen X
kids like me with them. But Deborah Flores in studio
along with Christian Toto right side of Hollywood, and I'll
start with you, Deborah, because I've been thinking a lot about.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hull co going over these last twenty four hours and.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Just what pop culture figures of the eighties were on
his level or higher. I was thinking maybe Madonna, Michael Jackson,
Prince out of the music world, Ronald Reagan in the
political realm, but Hulk Cogin's up there in terms of
eighties icons.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Top ten maybe absolutely.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And we've got some funny stories about my husband, prior
to being at Walt Disney Studios, had a period where
he worked with Vince McMahon with the World Wrestling Federation
and it was WWF and then WWE and all of that.
So he has a lot of stories about working with Hull, Cogan,
Andre the Giant, all of these folks, and one of
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the things that he said was they were consummate professionals,
they were entertainers, knew exactly what they were doing. And
one of the things about people like hall Colgan. That
he would say is they never forgot that they were entertainers.
There was a child that came up if there was
an opportunity to do something for the fans, and in
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a way that was while it wasn't real sports per se,
it wasn't true competition. Is what's gotten lost so much
in our culture, understanding why you're there and what you're doing.
So had a lot of great stories to share about
hall Colgan, and it is it is a big loss Christian.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
As far as Hogan's assent to stardom goes, there was
a fork in the road for him in the filming
of Rocky three, which I think was like nineteen eighty two,
eighty three, somewhere in there, prior to Rocky four, of
course my favorite with Ivan Drago, but playing this role
of Thunderlips Vince mc manna. The WWF was not keen
on it at all and it caused a rift between
those two for a while before he came back to
(01:51):
the WWF and then you know, won the heavyweight title
and the rest is history from there. But his appearance
in Rocky three iconic as it was, and just a
real kind of punchline of sorts at the beginning of
that film.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It's interesting how he was able to kind of bounce
between different formats. He could be a wrestler, he could
be an actor. He's done some film work. He just
was always Hull Cogan though. I mean, I know he's
called thunderlifs in that movie, but he's Hull Cogan.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Esque larger than life.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It just what a brand and someone who just knew
his value and knew his skill set and just leaned
hard into it. And the fact that we're still talking
about him today. You know, you know, he endorsed Trump
in the selection cycle, and I imagine he really thought
about that a lot, because think asten actors endorse often
it's Democrats once in a while, it's a Republican.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
For him to put his career on the line.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And in his brand in the line and everything about
him on the line to do that, it must have
really felt personal to him. And I imagine the assassination
at maybe put him over the line where he's like,
I need to speak up. So I you know, celebrity
endorsements are a diamond dozen. That one felt different.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
It did feel different, and I think how you knew
that is nown covered it and tried to downplay it,
because again, Hulk Hogan, for a generation of Americans was
it and the jingoism that the left typically makes fun of,
you know, and they do these polls, are you proud
to be an American? And it's less than half of
Democrats and it's like ninety odd percent of Republicans. So, Deborah,
you know, you have the Reagan years of the eighties,
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you have Rocky which again Rocky four, there's no more
jingoistic pro American movie ever, the Rocky three before with
Hulk Hogan, and then he goes out waives the American flag.
His theme song is I Am a real American. To
Christian's point, once the assassination attempt on Trump happened in Butler, Pennsylvania,
the gloves are off, He's coming out. Hulk Hogan loved
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this country and made a lot of other kids like
me love this country well.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And it was a time where he also, by the way,
wasn't afraid to show that even before. And one of
the things when my husband Jonathan was actually he was
organizing these huge events, not just in America for WrestleMania,
but all over the world, all over the world sell
out overnight. I mean, these were huge events, and so
in a way, he was an ambassador for that which
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was brash, that which was self made, all of that
unapologetic being an American and what it represented. And by
the way, when you think about it, when you're talking
about Vince McMahon not being a fan originally of Hulk
Hogan getting into movies, it actually paved the way for
Dwayne Johnson. Wwe began to actually produce movies. Now. You know,
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the first one, or at least early on, was The
Scorpion King, which, while I'm sure Christian you didn't give
it high bars for critical acclaim, but it was the
first foray for Dwayne Johnson. They realized this sense of
what does America want? And at its heart, it's good
guys overcoming bad guys. It's all of that which is unapologetic.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And I don't know if there's a culture shift happening, Christian,
but I'm sensing that maybe. And I'm gonna pivot using
this point with Hulk Hogan to John Harbaugh, the head
coach of the Baltimore Ravens, with a reporter here asking
why did you go visit President Trump? I think a
lot of people that might not otherwise be pro Trump conservative.
And I don't know where John Harbo's politics are. They've
had it with this crap. Listen to this past.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Donald Trump that said denigrat anything about.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Baltimore for they nogi who wants to live there, you know,
as a prominent representative of all of them. Well, how
you frame that question? I would frame the question like,
you got a chance to go visit with the president?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Man, what was that experience? Like?
Speaker 6 (05:25):
It was amazing? It was awesome, And I promise you
I root for our president. You know, I want our
president to be successful, just like I want I want
my quarterback to be successful and I want my team
to be successful.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Uh and uh, And it was.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
It was an amazing experience. You know, It's it's not
often you get invited and you get a chance to
do something like that. As a family, you know, we
were there, My daughter was there, Jim's daughters were there,
My mom and dad were there, My mom and President Trump,
you know, was just seeing how he treated her was
was really meaningful. You know.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And that's the fourth president. Now Jim met seven.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Jim has met seven president, so he's got the lead
on me.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I think he pointed it out.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Did you guys notice that?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
All right?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
He's guys said, I got four.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
So I had a chance to meet President Obama twice,
incredible experience. Had a chance to meet President Biden when
he was Vice president in Iraq and spent a lot
of time with him in Iraq, which was amazing. And
then you know, twenty four to twenty five years old,
Jim got invited also to the White House to meet
President Reagan because he was a Heisman Trophy candidate and
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we got to go as a family.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So I've met President of Reagan.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Have a picture of my office to that. So those
are moments that I definitely cherish and it means a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So that's John Harball, head coach of the Baltimore Ravens Christian.
You know, it's always ironic to me that in two
thousand and eight we had this fissure point and Barack
Obama promised there were no red states or no blue states,
just the United States. And yet from that point forward
it's become more hyperpartisan than ever.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We're not united under the flag.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It just feels like maybe a little by little we're
trending in that direction once again.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yes, or no, that's an optimistic take on them. I
don't know if I'm there yet. I think we're I
think we're closer to being there than maybe a year
or so ago. What I will say is, I think
when when figures like Ozzy Osbourne and Hulk Hogan pass,
it's from a different era where we didn't politicize everything,
where they united the culture, and I think the culture
today is so splintered. We you know, I could have
(07:19):
my podcast about Macroma done on the rooftop and I
got like six other people listen. I mean, we're just
going in our different little enclaffs now. But back in
the day, we had these common figures that we all
rallied around, or many of us rallied around, and that's
that's part of the morning. I think that's going on
with Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
You mentioned Ozzy Osbourne. We lost another giant this week,
and I was really impressed and a little bit surprised
at the broad, overwhelming reaction response to the passing of
Ozzy Osbourne. This from two thousand and three, really when
he was at the pantheon of pop culture with the
Osbourne's the television show, and here he makes a special
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appearance in a Pepsi twist ad that no longer exists
that product. By the way, with the Osmonds and Florence Henderson,
that's what you'll hear right here with his kids as
well at the beginning.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Something, what is Pepsis twists?
Speaker 7 (08:17):
You're a bunch oficians, Osborne, You're not.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
The Osmond's.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm a little bit rock.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I turned the kids turn into the oband there there
dear like.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Twists Pepsy twist and die twist twist and agree, so
a twist within the twist, his kids turning the Osmond's,
and Sharon is actually Florence Henderson for the Brady bunch
there thinking back in time, Deborah about how big Ozzy was,
his entire.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Family was a different time.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
It just preceeded I think social media on the whole.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But that was a big hit show.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It was. It would be embarrassed subtitles of course, but hey,
that's okay, You're get the gist of it. You know.
I think to the point of what you were saying
is I think what and Christian previously, there was a
period where there were things in our culture that brought
us together. It didn't matter your political persuasion. If you
like the same music, if you like the same kind
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of entertainment, if you liked wrestling, if you are as
some of our extended relatives, and I al would say wrestling,
if you like any of that, it didn't matter. And
that is I think a little bit of what is
bittersweet about this week week losing Ozzy Osbourne and Hulk Hogan.
But I do agree with you that I think getting
back to the Hulk Hogan point, I do think there
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are enough people like Jim Harbon and John Harbar that
are saying enough is enough. We're going to get back
to it. Is just great to meet with the president.
That is a role, that is a position to be honored,
regardless of who holds that title, and I think there
is a longing for that in our culture. Whether we
can grab this moment, I'm not sure, but I sure hope.
So I hope we can come together on these things.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Ozzy Osbourne Christian I mean as a musical figure, he
really started heavy metal. He's credited with that in Black
Sabbath in the early seventies, and then over these last
several years he kind of went through a different metamorphosis
of his character with the Osborne television show and such.
But your take on him and his passing and what
he meant to American culture, Yeah, you know, he's.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Get a feel for how a star connects with the
public on social media.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I know it's real, not real life, but the outpouring
of affection, the accolades, the sense of loss has been
profound with these two figures, and not like a typical
celebrity passes away.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So I think that's part of it as well. But
I've actually.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Heard some very kind behind the scenes stories about Ozzi
in recent days and how he'd reached out to people
and things. So that's interesting too, because when you become
that iconic, it's almost a license to be a jerk. Honestly,
you could do almost do anything want. It was one
of the things I've always might have about Paul McCartney.
I just never heard any bad in Paul McCartney stories,
Just like he's a decent chap and he's always friendly
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and affable and doesn't understand that he's.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Paul McCarry need and he could do anything he wants.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And I don't know if you know reached those heights
as far as his fame and his kindness. But that's
what I get the sense of him as well. I'm
not a heavy metal guy. It's not my background, it's
not my taste, but his influence is profound for sure.
And the fact that he was able to do that
last concert yeah, just weeks ago, is amazing And you
almost wonder physically if that was he was a They
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would often say people hold on to say goodbye to
a loved one, or to do certain things, or to
hang in there through Christmas. Maybe he just knew that
was coming and he just he just needed to have
that moment.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
For so much charity as well. I mean, that's an
interesting and a very great way to end a career.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We lose Hull Cogan and Ozzy Osbourne and in the
same week we get news that the Colbert program is
canceled by CBS and Paramount. We'll get to the view
as well, Joy behar letting something slip on the air.
That'll be one of our nominees for Fool of the Week.
But interesting week for CBS Paramount. They cut loose Colbert,
but they make a big investment. What is a one
point five billion dollars be in South Park and they
(12:01):
come right out of the gate guns of blazon at
President Trump in their season premiere, is it this is the.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Painting you asked for, sir, But that's the size it
isn't the photo.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
At Comic Con, Deborah, the creators of South Park, of
course they're from right here in Colorado, said they're terribly
sorry about the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Their reaction to this, but they did this with a wink.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And a not I think yeah, I mean, certainly the They
also did the apology with the wink and a nod
that was satire in itself. Here's the thing. I've got
to be honest, you know, South Park is not my
particular cup of tea, and I do think that there
are times that they really go over the line, but
at least they do it equal opportunity offending. I think
the difference between this and the Stephen Colbert Show is
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Stephen Colbert and some of these late night hosts like
John Stewart try to present themselves as we really are
your source for real information. The thing about South Park,
like it or not, and I know I'm probably the minority.
It's just not my taste, but they're not trying to
make any bones other than the fact that they are
full on complete sarcasm completely, you know, just for pure
(13:25):
entertainment value. Because of that, honestly, then you can just
choose to watch it or not. They're not pretending to
be something that they're not.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This episode making fun of Trump's manhood or lack thereof,
and then also his propensity to sue everybody, besides to
sue the town of South Park for five billion dollars.
The town tries to counter and this is what happens
after that.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I got the president down to three and a half
million dollars. Three and a half million. That's not so bad.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's really fair. I think that's fair.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
We'll just have to cut some funding for our schools
and hospitals and roads, and that should be that.
Speaker 9 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Well, yeah, well that's not quite all.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
As part of the settlement, we also had to agree
to doing pro Trump messaging.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
How are we supposed to do pro Trump messaging?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Come on, guys, we're south Park.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
We can do it. Yeah, got to work together.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Christian, what's your take on this episode?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I have a very different take, okay, and I I
think I'm partly right. Oh yeah, okay, Christian flee years
south Park has not tackled Trump as aggressively as you
might expect.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
They have tweaked him.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
They have mocked him, for sure, And I've heard the
South Park duo talk a little bit about that, almost
saying it was like overdone, Like everyone's attacking Trump. We
don't want to be the same old, same old. And
they went at him with both barrels. And there's two
things you can think about. Well, he's a president now,
he's got more power, he's got certainly a fire in
his belly, and he's getting a lot of stuff done
and ruffling a lot of feathers, so that makes him
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more of a target for satire. But I think now,
the way that these shows are made is that they
make them very very quickly, and they change them on
a dime. I mean, something that happened last week will
be in the show when it actually happened this week.
So I think they were basically thumbling their nose at
the outrage over Stephen Colbert's cancelation, saying, hey, we hit everyone,
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We can do what we want, and because we're good
and funny and successful, no one's going to touch us,
and Trump's not going to touch us. And that's it.
I think that was a message of sending I could
be wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Good, successful, and fair, like you said, Deborah, and that
is what South Park is, their brand, why they've built
it over the years, and like Deborah said, might not
be your cup of tea, but you get what they're
doing and why they're doing it. I think they've garnered respect,
They've earned that capital, and they spent some of that
capital in this season twenty seven premiere skewering President Trump,
and I liked it. And again, people on our side,
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we allow for humor. Yep, absolutely when it comes to
President Trump, because he's a funny guy and he's fun
to make fun of. A timeout, we come back our
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Speaker 7 (17:34):
I still think about Kamala and how I think she
would have been a good choice. I don't care what
they say, because she would have done what Lincoln did.
Liz Cheney would have been Secretary of State. Yeah, team
of rivals. Doris KERMZ a good one wrote the book
about it. Unless what Lincoln did surrounded himself with the
(17:56):
people who would disagree with him. It's the madness of
King George and if just the deterioration of the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Chelsea Michigan's own Jeff Daniels, my homeboy. I have to
confess Purple Roles theater back. They're still doing great work.
But Jeff Daniels, I don't know. Deborah, this was the
one you kind of honed in on comparing Kamala Harris
to Abraham Lincoln lofty, Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Have beyond lofty, maybe idiotic. Shall we say two things
that he completely misses is, you know, Abraham Lincoln, one
of the greatest orators of our time, would never say
something like what can be unburdened by what has been?
I mean he said more in a brief, tiny speech
than Kama's probably ever said in her life. The other
(18:42):
thing that he totally misses, It's like, if you're going
to say something like that, no history, Lincoln surrounded himself
by his rivals because he needed to keep an eye
on them, and it didn't work out so well. In fact,
he had to kick many of them out of his
own cabinet. So I'm sorry, Jeff Daniels, big old no
compared to Lincoln at all in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, and a.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Darker kind of take on the team of rivals approach
by Abraham Lincoln is why do you think John Wilkes
Booth decided to assassinate Lincoln, who was waiting in the
wings to be president, to take over Democrat from Tennessee
Andrew Johnson. So that wasn't exactly great insurance for Lincoln,
as it would turn out.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
But Christian Jeff.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Daniels going down this road trying to make Kamala Harris
happen not successful.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
To be fair, the Dumb and Dummer sequel sounds amazing, so.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Kamala Harris is so dumb? How dumb is she? She appeared
in a podcast, I forget the name of it, some
sort of trifling of a podcast, and it was so
bad and so disastrous that they never aired the episode.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh oh wow, you're right.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
That's how bad she is. That's how dumb she is,
that's how ineffective she is. She was a disaster. And
the fact that the comedy community couldn't lay a glove
and he her is a sad state of affairs. But again,
the dumb, the number sequel will be really exciting, and
with her without Jim Carrey.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Now, Zach's telling me that the name of the podcast
was Subway Takes and that her take was bacon was
a seasoning. And I guess if it's like that's part
of the fun, Baco's bacon bits. Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
What made it worse was the overlooking of the concept
of bacon bits, which is bacon as a season And
she was just like, no, no, no, guys, you got
to use bacon as a seasoning.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It's like that bacon.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
But so her words will never be memorialized in DC
stone ever, It's like, Hilaria Baldwin.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
What is this thing called bacon bits?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
The anti Lincoln Kamala Harris, Jeff Daniels our first nominee
for Friday Fool of the Week. But you gotta know,
I got some heavy hitters there. I always put together
a pretty good lineup. I think like a baseball lineup batting. Second,
you know Jeff Daniels on first, you got to get
him around the third, Here comes Hunter Biden.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
What about all those other people? Am I not supposed
to feel for someone? Am I going to be like
all these Democrats say you have to talk about and
realize that people are really upset about illegal immigration? You
how do you think your hotel room gets cleaned? How
do you think you got food on your table? Who
do you think washes your dishes? Who do you think
does your garden? Who do you think is here?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
By the.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
Sheer just great in will that they've figured out a
way to get here because they thought that they could
give themselves in their family a better chance. And he's
somehow convinced all of us that these people are the criminals.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Christian Hunter's not the only Democrat that does this. But
this take about illegal aliens who will pick our crops
is not the good take they think it is.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
We love to pay people below minimum wage and keep
them in slave like conditions.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
It's amazing. That's what we stand for.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I mean, I can't even believe this whole tape exists.
I don't believe that he may just Hunter Biden, man,
you couldn't write a character as insane as him, and
this f bomb verage. Does he realize he's talking in
a public forum, he's being recorded. I mean, it's just ridiculous.
And by the way, and this I can't let go.
Hunter Biden repeatedly used the N word in text conversations, yes,
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and it was reported by the New York Post and
no one cared. And that's why you know that woke
is full of garbage, because if anyone else had used
the N word in any kind of context, I remember
Morgan Wallen use it once and not in public, got caught,
his career collapsed overnight. And Hunter Biden, let's go sell
some paintings.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Devor this condescension, the pat on the head for illegal
aliens coming over?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Who will pick our crops? Who will clean our laundry?
Who will? I mean, this is absolutely insulting.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
You know, it shows two things. First of all, the
total flip of the parties today It used to be
that the Democrats are representative of the working class, the
people who you know, did that blue collar work. They
have now become the party of the elite, the oligarchy,
those so out of touch they don't even understand it.
The way the better policy is secure the border these
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people will not be abused then by the drug cartels,
and then set up a red card system so they
can come and do the work that they want to
do if they choose to do it in a way
of dignity. But the bigger takeaway is is this weird
the Democrat Party is now that Hunter Biden is the
rehabilitative spokesperson for his father. That's shocking to me. Yeah,
(23:24):
you picked two really good, eloquent beginnings here between Kamala
and Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Kamala by proxy and Jeff Daniels the nominee Hunter Biden
nominee number two.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The third one we bid a do too.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And he had a really snappy comeback to President Trump,
blazing him on truth social Stephen Colbert.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Okay, thanks again to the network.
Speaker 11 (23:42):
In a completely unrelated story on Friday, Donald.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Trump posted, I absolutely love that Colbert got fired.
Speaker 10 (23:50):
His talent was even less than his ratings.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
How dare you, sir, would an untalented man be able
to compose the following satirical witticism?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, I happened to think that Donald Trump's post was
funnier than the retort by Stephen Colbert, and it was
lazy to top it off.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Debra, Yes, I think Hunter Biden is his writer actually
the same lack of ability to speak. I mean what's
interesting is what we're seeing here completely exposed. Is this
true elitist sense what he doesn't talk about. By the way, yes,
his ratings have tainked. He was losing approximately forty to
(24:40):
fifty million dollars annually in his show that at a
bloated budget of over one hundred million dollars. But what
makes it even worse is later he talks about how
he is actually the martyr, and he actually says he
compares himselves to christ saying that he is the one
being martyred for speaking out against Trump, and it's lonely
up here on the cross. I mean, it's just the
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brazen arrogance, is you know, and the lack of humor.
Getting back to the biggest point of why he was
actually fired and.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Christian for Colbert here the response to his show being
canceled reveals exactly what was wrong with the show. And
then it was completely partisan on the left the people
that had a problem with him being canceled, and nobody
on the right came to his defense.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
And the amazing thing is that we have to credit
again Hunter Biden for working on multiple shows. John Stewart
did the same f bomb palooza on.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
His programs or a daily show.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
You would think, given everything that's going on, you would
burn the midnight oil and write the funniest, most satirical,
most sharpest wit of you could possibly imagine in response
to being fired, to proving your worth, your weight, to
kind of striking back at your adversary, so to speaking,
by the way, why is he an adversary of the president?
(25:52):
He should be an adversary of Joe Biden, but he wasn't. Yeah,
she was a fundraiser for Joe Biden. Actually kept his
secret that he was declining a secret. I mean, just
a clown show, but not a funny clown show, not
ha ha funny.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And one thing I want to add when you were
talking about this shift, Ryan, culturally, it's interesting that Greg
Gettfeld outperforms all of them in a late night television
because he actually is funny. He doesn't just have himself
in the show, and Americans are tired of just denigrating
every institution in every individual, and.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Gutfield is the only one that doesn't occupy the leftist lane.
He has all that real estate all to himself and
that's why he's number one. And we cap it off again.
Jeff Daniels, Hunter Biden, Stephen Colbert, the lone female representative
this week, Joy behar let this slip and.
Speaker 12 (26:40):
Before we go on hiatus, only have one more show
after this.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I'm allowed to say that ry.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
Too late now matter.
Speaker 12 (26:48):
Yeah, before we go, I wanted to tell people that
the tide is churning. The tide is churning and things
are changing. I mean the ultimate irony would be that
Rupert Murdoch will take him down. Yeah, Fox News, who
created the monster, will take him down.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, Debora, the tide is turning. She's right on that part,
but not for the right reason. Colbert's going away the
views going on hiatus. What are we going to do
on this show?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Oh my gosh, who are we going to have for
the full of the week. Unfortunately. I do think there'll
be many to step in and fill those shoes. But
this is long overdue. I mean talk about a large budget.
When we pitched a similar show that could be an
alternative as one of the last things we pitched while
we were in Hollywood, they said, we went to the
network behind the View. They said, we know we're losing money,
(27:31):
we know the women we're trying to reach aren't watching
it anymore. But there was some kind of I don't know,
they got to have virtue signaling for still having it on.
I think the Hollywood situation of being out of touch
with the audience is coming to bear. In the economic
sense most of all.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
The shift you feel it well, that I do, and
I think part of it is money is just money.
Because CBS was willing to lose forty million a year
and keeping in.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
That show on the air.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Why why why would you voluntarily lose all that money.
But now that the finances are shrinking and contracting and
different platforms are actually making money, that's why things are
going on right now.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
That's why that's the change of thinking now.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
I do think that the View goes on vacation or
hiatus each summer, I think that's the part that's what
really not Yeah, but she better well she phrased it
into conspiratorial point of view.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
But I would love to look under the hood of
the view.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I would think that the production wise, it doesn't have
as many bells and whistles as tonight as the Late Show,
so it's probably a cheaper situation.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Let's let's let's look on the hood of a lot
of different institutions. I suspect there's going to be Listen,
Hollywood loves to spend money on failing things just.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
To get the message out there.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
They'll put a movie like Truth out there with the
Dan Rather story tell a complete lie, but knowing that
it's going to exist and thrive on cable and streaming
and platforms like that in perpetuity.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
So to get the view out there, get that message across.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Same thing.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
And by the way, everybody was talking, oh, we're going
to hire a conservative to mix things up. That's not happening. No,
there's no way it's happening.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
No, that's the.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Message they want to send. They don't care how dumb
or conspiratory it is. It's worth it.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
And then to lose money, but first CBS not forty
million dollars worth.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
A whole lot of dumb.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
In our nominees for Friday Field Away, Jeff Daniels, Hunter Biden,
Stephen Colbert, and Joy Bayhart good Luck five, seven, seven,
thretey nine. Your votes will get Deborah's and Christian's take
on the Other Side and my interview with Darryl Hammond
and his take on working with President Trump before he
was president twice on Saturday Night Live. You want to
hear that when we come back wrapping up the right
side of Hollywood after this.
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paid advertisement President Trump behind the scenes. How was he
personally with you?
Speaker 9 (30:55):
I enjoyed my time with him. He was very curious
and very insightful, and he worked really hard, and he
didn't see that braggadocio things that people sort of associate
with him. He was there and he told me one
day that I said, why do you come? You come
later and you stay later and come earlier than anyone ever.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
He said, well, listen, I can't act.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
So I got to figure out a way to be
funny out here, you know, with words that somebody else wrote,
and he goes, I think, what I'm going to do
is I'm going to add lib paraphrase once in a while,
like I'll say something off script.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And I thought, you know, it worked because.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
You realize the more authentic.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You are, the funnier you are.
Speaker 9 (31:47):
And so he sort of intuitively understood that, and you know,
sure enough he went out and had a.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Really great show.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
But the thing about doing a guy with the guy
is the second day walk out, they change.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
They're not talking.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
They're not talking the way they were talking a few
minutes ago down on the floor. When they see you
doing them face to face, they change, and then you
have to change with them. And then all of a sudden,
it's the static electricity of two people trying to not
be what, you know, what they were a few minutes ago.
You know, I did my best.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
With that, but he came out there with a whole
new speech.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Pattern but threw me off.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Daryl Hammond on this very program, He's coming to Comedy
Work South this weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I'll be in attendance at some point.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Christy, you wrote an article about this interview exchange that
he had with me, and I found it to be
fascinating and how much he was revealing about his process
and behind the scenes with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
There didn't sound like a Trump hater to me.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Not at all, And he's just being honest.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
And I think a couple of years ago he wouldn't
have said that because he wanted to keep on working
in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I really love the way he broke down his impressions.
You could tell he's a master about what he does.
I mean, you know that by the results, but when
you can kind of break it down piece by piece,
and I've heard like Dana Carvey do this and other
comedians where they just kind of show you the technique
and the process, it is unbelievable. I've always been fascinating impressionists.
But the bottom line is that Donald Trump is a
very funny person. And you have to put aside any
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political lens and say, guy's funny, off the cuff, funny,
interesting to listen to, has good comic timing almost more
than almost any of the president we've had. I mean
Obama at decent chops and things like that. But he
is really funny. I mean that those rallies, my gosh,
it's like.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
A stand up act.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And when it comes to the through line for this episode, Devroll,
what we're seeing is the backing away of a lot
of public figures from all the Trump hate and I
think it's gone too far. And Daryl Hammond had very
complimentary words there for Trump and his performance on that
show Saturday Nut Live.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, he repeated something that I've heard time and time again,
which is that the Donald Trump behind the scenes is gracious, polite,
seft spoken professional. The fact that he was saying that
he would be the first to show up in the
last to leave, a humility of understanding what he isn't
and what he is right. But he is also a
master connector with an audience. If anyone's been to one
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of his rallies or one of his events, I was
at one for seapat coming for a media station, he
knows how to grab an audience and hold them and riff.
But there are two parts, and I think that is
what the left obtuseley is or purposely ignoring. There's the
showman and then there is the person that is making
(34:34):
significant positive changes for our country through his policies. And
there's a difference there, and I thought there was a
very respectful professional take on what he observed for his hand.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And what we learned too is Trump four Trump fifteen
on Saturday Night Live. The same process of going off
script from what's written for him applied to the rallies
that Christian is talking about and the time that we
have left, and it's not much. Unfortunately, your vote for
Friday Fool the Week, I think I know where you're going.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yes, you know, you made it really tough, and I
always do. But I'm had this dick with Jeff Daniels
comparing Kama Harris to Abraham Lincoln because I have a
special place on my heart for Abraham Lincoln and he
would never have said be unburdened by what was behind.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Christian Jeff Daniels absolute winner.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Oh wow, unanimous there. I'm gonna have to go with
two others.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh I got to put Hunter Biden in the final
three for our listeners to choose from five, seven, seven,
three nine, And we're gonna go with Joy Behar's letting
it slip that they're going on hiatus and then suggesting
that there's a shift happening and that somehow Fox News
is going to take Trump out the exact opposite of
what's going on out there.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
It's the left that's crumbling before her very eyes.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
For Deborah and Christian, I'm Ryan Schuling. I'm back with you,
our number two straight Ahead
Dying at the age of seventy one yesterday and taking
a lot of the hopes and dreams of gen X
kids like me with them. But Deborah Flores in studio
along with Christian Toto right side of Hollywood, and I'll
start with you, Deborah, because I've been thinking a lot about.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hull co going over these last twenty four hours and.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Just what pop culture figures of the eighties were on
his level or higher. I was thinking maybe Madonna, Michael Jackson,
Prince out of the music world, Ronald Reagan in the
political realm, but Hulk Cogin's up there in terms of
eighties icons.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Top ten maybe absolutely.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And we've got some funny stories about my husband, prior
to being at Walt Disney Studios, had a period where
he worked with Vince McMahon with the World Wrestling Federation
and it was WWF and then WWE and all of that.
So he has a lot of stories about working with Hull, Cogan,
Andre the Giant, all of these folks, and one of
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the things that he said was they were consummate professionals,
they were entertainers, knew exactly what they were doing. And
one of the things about people like hall Colgan. That
he would say is they never forgot that they were entertainers.
There was a child that came up if there was
an opportunity to do something for the fans, and in
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a way that was while it wasn't real sports per se,
it wasn't true competition. Is what's gotten lost so much
in our culture, understanding why you're there and what you're doing.
So had a lot of great stories to share about
hall Colgan, and it is it is a big loss Christian.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
As far as Hogan's assent to stardom goes, there was
a fork in the road for him in the filming
of Rocky three, which I think was like nineteen eighty two,
eighty three, somewhere in there, prior to Rocky four, of
course my favorite with Ivan Drago, but playing this role
of Thunderlips Vince mc manna. The WWF was not keen
on it at all and it caused a rift between
those two for a while before he came back to
(01:51):
the WWF and then you know, won the heavyweight title
and the rest is history from there. But his appearance
in Rocky three iconic as it was, and just a
real kind of punchline of sorts at the beginning of
that film.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It's interesting how he was able to kind of bounce
between different formats. He could be a wrestler, he could
be an actor. He's done some film work. He just
was always Hull Cogan though. I mean, I know he's
called thunderlifs in that movie, but he's Hull Cogan.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Esque larger than life.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It just what a brand and someone who just knew
his value and knew his skill set and just leaned
hard into it. And the fact that we're still talking
about him today. You know, you know, he endorsed Trump
in the selection cycle, and I imagine he really thought
about that a lot, because think asten actors endorse often
it's Democrats once in a while, it's a Republican.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
For him to put his career on the line.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And in his brand in the line and everything about
him on the line to do that, it must have
really felt personal to him. And I imagine the assassination
at maybe put him over the line where he's like,
I need to speak up. So I you know, celebrity
endorsements are a diamond dozen. That one felt different.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
It did feel different, and I think how you knew
that is nown covered it and tried to downplay it,
because again, Hulk Hogan, for a generation of Americans was
it and the jingoism that the left typically makes fun of,
you know, and they do these polls, are you proud
to be an American? And it's less than half of
Democrats and it's like ninety odd percent of Republicans. So, Deborah,
you know, you have the Reagan years of the eighties,
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you have Rocky which again Rocky four, there's no more
jingoistic pro American movie ever, the Rocky three before with
Hulk Hogan, and then he goes out waives the American flag.
His theme song is I Am a real American. To
Christian's point, once the assassination attempt on Trump happened in Butler, Pennsylvania,
the gloves are off, He's coming out. Hulk Hogan loved
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this country and made a lot of other kids like
me love this country well.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And it was a time where he also, by the way,
wasn't afraid to show that even before. And one of
the things when my husband Jonathan was actually he was
organizing these huge events, not just in America for WrestleMania,
but all over the world, all over the world sell
out overnight. I mean, these were huge events, and so
in a way, he was an ambassador for that which
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was brash, that which was self made, all of that
unapologetic being an American and what it represented. And by
the way, when you think about it, when you're talking
about Vince McMahon not being a fan originally of Hulk
Hogan getting into movies, it actually paved the way for
Dwayne Johnson. Wwe began to actually produce movies. Now. You know,
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the first one, or at least early on, was The
Scorpion King, which, while I'm sure Christian you didn't give
it high bars for critical acclaim, but it was the
first foray for Dwayne Johnson. They realized this sense of
what does America want? And at its heart, it's good
guys overcoming bad guys. It's all of that which is unapologetic.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And I don't know if there's a culture shift happening, Christian,
but I'm sensing that maybe. And I'm gonna pivot using
this point with Hulk Hogan to John Harbaugh, the head
coach of the Baltimore Ravens, with a reporter here asking
why did you go visit President Trump? I think a
lot of people that might not otherwise be pro Trump conservative.
And I don't know where John Harbo's politics are. They've
had it with this crap. Listen to this past.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Donald Trump that said denigrat anything about.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Baltimore for they nogi who wants to live there, you know,
as a prominent representative of all of them. Well, how
you frame that question? I would frame the question like,
you got a chance to go visit with the president?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Man, what was that experience? Like?
Speaker 6 (05:25):
It was amazing? It was awesome, And I promise you
I root for our president. You know, I want our
president to be successful, just like I want I want
my quarterback to be successful and I want my team
to be successful.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Uh and uh, And it was.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
It was an amazing experience. You know, It's it's not
often you get invited and you get a chance to
do something like that. As a family, you know, we
were there, My daughter was there, Jim's daughters were there,
My mom and dad were there, My mom and President Trump,
you know, was just seeing how he treated her was
was really meaningful. You know.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And that's the fourth president. Now Jim met seven.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Jim has met seven president, so he's got the lead
on me.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I think he pointed it out.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Did you guys notice that?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
All right?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
He's guys said, I got four.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
So I had a chance to meet President Obama twice,
incredible experience. Had a chance to meet President Biden when
he was Vice president in Iraq and spent a lot
of time with him in Iraq, which was amazing. And
then you know, twenty four to twenty five years old,
Jim got invited also to the White House to meet
President Reagan because he was a Heisman Trophy candidate and
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we got to go as a family.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So I've met President of Reagan.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Have a picture of my office to that. So those
are moments that I definitely cherish and it means a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So that's John Harball, head coach of the Baltimore Ravens Christian.
You know, it's always ironic to me that in two
thousand and eight we had this fissure point and Barack
Obama promised there were no red states or no blue states,
just the United States. And yet from that point forward
it's become more hyperpartisan than ever.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We're not united under the flag.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It just feels like maybe a little by little we're
trending in that direction once again.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yes, or no, that's an optimistic take on them. I
don't know if I'm there yet. I think we're I
think we're closer to being there than maybe a year
or so ago. What I will say is, I think
when when figures like Ozzy Osbourne and Hulk Hogan pass,
it's from a different era where we didn't politicize everything,
where they united the culture, and I think the culture
today is so splintered. We you know, I could have
(07:19):
my podcast about Macroma done on the rooftop and I
got like six other people listen. I mean, we're just
going in our different little enclaffs now. But back in
the day, we had these common figures that we all
rallied around, or many of us rallied around, and that's
that's part of the morning. I think that's going on
with Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
You mentioned Ozzy Osbourne. We lost another giant this week,
and I was really impressed and a little bit surprised
at the broad, overwhelming reaction response to the passing of
Ozzy Osbourne. This from two thousand and three, really when
he was at the pantheon of pop culture with the
Osbourne's the television show, and here he makes a special
(07:57):
appearance in a Pepsi twist ad that no longer exists
that product. By the way, with the Osmonds and Florence Henderson,
that's what you'll hear right here with his kids as
well at the beginning.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Something, what is Pepsis twists?
Speaker 7 (08:17):
You're a bunch oficians, Osborne, You're not.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
The Osmond's.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm a little bit rock.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I turned the kids turn into the oband there there
dear like.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Twists Pepsy twist and die twist twist and agree, so
a twist within the twist, his kids turning the Osmond's,
and Sharon is actually Florence Henderson for the Brady bunch
there thinking back in time, Deborah about how big Ozzy was,
his entire.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Family was a different time.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
It just preceeded I think social media on the whole.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But that was a big hit show.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It was. It would be embarrassed subtitles of course, but hey,
that's okay, You're get the gist of it. You know.
I think to the point of what you were saying
is I think what and Christian previously, there was a
period where there were things in our culture that brought
us together. It didn't matter your political persuasion. If you
like the same music, if you like the same kind
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of entertainment, if you liked wrestling, if you are as
some of our extended relatives, and I al would say wrestling,
if you like any of that, it didn't matter. And
that is I think a little bit of what is
bittersweet about this week week losing Ozzy Osbourne and Hulk Hogan.
But I do agree with you that I think getting
back to the Hulk Hogan point, I do think there
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are enough people like Jim Harbon and John Harbar that
are saying enough is enough. We're going to get back
to it. Is just great to meet with the president.
That is a role, that is a position to be honored,
regardless of who holds that title, and I think there
is a longing for that in our culture. Whether we
can grab this moment, I'm not sure, but I sure hope.
So I hope we can come together on these things.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Ozzy Osbourne Christian I mean as a musical figure, he
really started heavy metal. He's credited with that in Black
Sabbath in the early seventies, and then over these last
several years he kind of went through a different metamorphosis
of his character with the Osborne television show and such.
But your take on him and his passing and what
he meant to American culture, Yeah, you know, he's.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Get a feel for how a star connects with the
public on social media.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I know it's real, not real life, but the outpouring
of affection, the accolades, the sense of loss has been
profound with these two figures, and not like a typical
celebrity passes away.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So I think that's part of it as well. But
I've actually.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Heard some very kind behind the scenes stories about Ozzi
in recent days and how he'd reached out to people
and things. So that's interesting too, because when you become
that iconic, it's almost a license to be a jerk. Honestly,
you could do almost do anything want. It was one
of the things I've always might have about Paul McCartney.
I just never heard any bad in Paul McCartney stories,
Just like he's a decent chap and he's always friendly
(10:57):
and affable and doesn't understand that he's.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Paul McCarry need and he could do anything he wants.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And I don't know if you know reached those heights
as far as his fame and his kindness. But that's
what I get the sense of him as well. I'm
not a heavy metal guy. It's not my background, it's
not my taste, but his influence is profound for sure.
And the fact that he was able to do that
last concert yeah, just weeks ago, is amazing And you
almost wonder physically if that was he was a They
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would often say people hold on to say goodbye to
a loved one, or to do certain things, or to
hang in there through Christmas. Maybe he just knew that
was coming and he just he just needed to have
that moment.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
For so much charity as well. I mean, that's an
interesting and a very great way to end a career.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We lose Hull Cogan and Ozzy Osbourne and in the
same week we get news that the Colbert program is
canceled by CBS and Paramount. We'll get to the view
as well, Joy behar letting something slip on the air.
That'll be one of our nominees for Fool of the Week.
But interesting week for CBS Paramount. They cut loose Colbert,
but they make a big investment. What is a one
point five billion dollars be in South Park and they
(12:01):
come right out of the gate guns of blazon at
President Trump in their season premiere, is it this is the.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Painting you asked for, sir, But that's the size it
isn't the photo.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
At Comic Con, Deborah, the creators of South Park, of
course they're from right here in Colorado, said they're terribly
sorry about the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Their reaction to this, but they did this with a wink.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And a not I think yeah, I mean, certainly the They
also did the apology with the wink and a nod
that was satire in itself. Here's the thing. I've got
to be honest, you know, South Park is not my
particular cup of tea, and I do think that there
are times that they really go over the line, but
at least they do it equal opportunity offending. I think
the difference between this and the Stephen Colbert Show is
(13:00):
Stephen Colbert and some of these late night hosts like
John Stewart try to present themselves as we really are
your source for real information. The thing about South Park,
like it or not, and I know I'm probably the minority.
It's just not my taste, but they're not trying to
make any bones other than the fact that they are
full on complete sarcasm completely, you know, just for pure
(13:25):
entertainment value. Because of that, honestly, then you can just
choose to watch it or not. They're not pretending to
be something that they're not.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This episode making fun of Trump's manhood or lack thereof,
and then also his propensity to sue everybody, besides to
sue the town of South Park for five billion dollars.
The town tries to counter and this is what happens
after that.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I got the president down to three and a half
million dollars. Three and a half million. That's not so bad.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's really fair. I think that's fair.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
We'll just have to cut some funding for our schools
and hospitals and roads, and that should be that.
Speaker 9 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Well, yeah, well that's not quite all.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
As part of the settlement, we also had to agree
to doing pro Trump messaging.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
How are we supposed to do pro Trump messaging?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Come on, guys, we're south Park.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
We can do it. Yeah, got to work together.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Christian, what's your take on this episode?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I have a very different take, okay, and I I
think I'm partly right. Oh yeah, okay, Christian flee years
south Park has not tackled Trump as aggressively as you
might expect.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
They have tweaked him.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
They have mocked him, for sure, And I've heard the
South Park duo talk a little bit about that, almost
saying it was like overdone, Like everyone's attacking Trump. We
don't want to be the same old, same old. And
they went at him with both barrels. And there's two
things you can think about. Well, he's a president now,
he's got more power, he's got certainly a fire in
his belly, and he's getting a lot of stuff done
and ruffling a lot of feathers, so that makes him
(14:56):
more of a target for satire. But I think now,
the way that these shows are made is that they
make them very very quickly, and they change them on
a dime. I mean, something that happened last week will
be in the show when it actually happened this week.
So I think they were basically thumbling their nose at
the outrage over Stephen Colbert's cancelation, saying, hey, we hit everyone,
(15:17):
We can do what we want, and because we're good
and funny and successful, no one's going to touch us,
and Trump's not going to touch us. And that's it.
I think that was a message of sending I could
be wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Good, successful, and fair, like you said, Deborah, and that
is what South Park is, their brand, why they've built
it over the years, and like Deborah said, might not
be your cup of tea, but you get what they're
doing and why they're doing it. I think they've garnered respect,
They've earned that capital, and they spent some of that
capital in this season twenty seven premiere skewering President Trump,
and I liked it. And again, people on our side,
(15:48):
we allow for humor. Yep, absolutely when it comes to
President Trump, because he's a funny guy and he's fun
to make fun of. A timeout, we come back our
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Speaker 7 (17:34):
I still think about Kamala and how I think she
would have been a good choice. I don't care what
they say, because she would have done what Lincoln did.
Liz Cheney would have been Secretary of State. Yeah, team
of rivals. Doris KERMZ a good one wrote the book
about it. Unless what Lincoln did surrounded himself with the
(17:56):
people who would disagree with him. It's the madness of
King George and if just the deterioration of the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Chelsea Michigan's own Jeff Daniels, my homeboy. I have to
confess Purple Roles theater back. They're still doing great work.
But Jeff Daniels, I don't know. Deborah, this was the
one you kind of honed in on comparing Kamala Harris
to Abraham Lincoln lofty, Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Have beyond lofty, maybe idiotic. Shall we say two things
that he completely misses is, you know, Abraham Lincoln, one
of the greatest orators of our time, would never say
something like what can be unburdened by what has been?
I mean he said more in a brief, tiny speech
than Kama's probably ever said in her life. The other
(18:42):
thing that he totally misses, It's like, if you're going
to say something like that, no history, Lincoln surrounded himself
by his rivals because he needed to keep an eye
on them, and it didn't work out so well. In fact,
he had to kick many of them out of his
own cabinet. So I'm sorry, Jeff Daniels, big old no
compared to Lincoln at all in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, and a.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Darker kind of take on the team of rivals approach
by Abraham Lincoln is why do you think John Wilkes
Booth decided to assassinate Lincoln, who was waiting in the
wings to be president, to take over Democrat from Tennessee
Andrew Johnson. So that wasn't exactly great insurance for Lincoln,
as it would turn out.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
But Christian Jeff.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Daniels going down this road trying to make Kamala Harris
happen not successful.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
To be fair, the Dumb and Dummer sequel sounds amazing, so.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Kamala Harris is so dumb? How dumb is she? She appeared
in a podcast, I forget the name of it, some
sort of trifling of a podcast, and it was so
bad and so disastrous that they never aired the episode.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh oh wow, you're right.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
That's how bad she is. That's how dumb she is,
that's how ineffective she is. She was a disaster. And
the fact that the comedy community couldn't lay a glove
and he her is a sad state of affairs. But again,
the dumb, the number sequel will be really exciting, and
with her without Jim Carrey.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Now, Zach's telling me that the name of the podcast
was Subway Takes and that her take was bacon was
a seasoning. And I guess if it's like that's part
of the fun, Baco's bacon bits. Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
What made it worse was the overlooking of the concept
of bacon bits, which is bacon as a season And
she was just like, no, no, no, guys, you got
to use bacon as a seasoning.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It's like that bacon.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
But so her words will never be memorialized in DC
stone ever, It's like, Hilaria Baldwin.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
What is this thing called bacon bits?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
The anti Lincoln Kamala Harris, Jeff Daniels our first nominee
for Friday Fool of the Week. But you gotta know,
I got some heavy hitters there. I always put together
a pretty good lineup. I think like a baseball lineup batting. Second,
you know Jeff Daniels on first, you got to get
him around the third, Here comes Hunter Biden.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
What about all those other people? Am I not supposed
to feel for someone? Am I going to be like
all these Democrats say you have to talk about and
realize that people are really upset about illegal immigration? You
how do you think your hotel room gets cleaned? How
do you think you got food on your table? Who
do you think washes your dishes? Who do you think
does your garden? Who do you think is here?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
By the.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
Sheer just great in will that they've figured out a
way to get here because they thought that they could
give themselves in their family a better chance. And he's
somehow convinced all of us that these people are the criminals.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Christian Hunter's not the only Democrat that does this. But
this take about illegal aliens who will pick our crops
is not the good take they think it is.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
We love to pay people below minimum wage and keep
them in slave like conditions.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
It's amazing. That's what we stand for.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I mean, I can't even believe this whole tape exists.
I don't believe that he may just Hunter Biden, man,
you couldn't write a character as insane as him, and
this f bomb verage. Does he realize he's talking in
a public forum, he's being recorded. I mean, it's just ridiculous.
And by the way, and this I can't let go.
Hunter Biden repeatedly used the N word in text conversations, yes,
(22:13):
and it was reported by the New York Post and
no one cared. And that's why you know that woke
is full of garbage, because if anyone else had used
the N word in any kind of context, I remember
Morgan Wallen use it once and not in public, got caught,
his career collapsed overnight. And Hunter Biden, let's go sell
some paintings.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Devor this condescension, the pat on the head for illegal
aliens coming over?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Who will pick our crops? Who will clean our laundry?
Who will? I mean, this is absolutely insulting.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
You know, it shows two things. First of all, the
total flip of the parties today It used to be
that the Democrats are representative of the working class, the
people who you know, did that blue collar work. They
have now become the party of the elite, the oligarchy,
those so out of touch they don't even understand it.
The way the better policy is secure the border these
(23:02):
people will not be abused then by the drug cartels,
and then set up a red card system so they
can come and do the work that they want to
do if they choose to do it in a way
of dignity. But the bigger takeaway is is this weird
the Democrat Party is now that Hunter Biden is the
rehabilitative spokesperson for his father. That's shocking to me. Yeah,
(23:24):
you picked two really good, eloquent beginnings here between Kamala
and Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Kamala by proxy and Jeff Daniels the nominee Hunter Biden
nominee number two.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The third one we bid a do too.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And he had a really snappy comeback to President Trump,
blazing him on truth social Stephen Colbert.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Okay, thanks again to the network.
Speaker 11 (23:42):
In a completely unrelated story on Friday, Donald.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Trump posted, I absolutely love that Colbert got fired.
Speaker 10 (23:50):
His talent was even less than his ratings.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
How dare you, sir, would an untalented man be able
to compose the following satirical witticism?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, I happened to think that Donald Trump's post was
funnier than the retort by Stephen Colbert, and it was
lazy to top it off.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Debra, Yes, I think Hunter Biden is his writer actually
the same lack of ability to speak. I mean what's
interesting is what we're seeing here completely exposed. Is this
true elitist sense what he doesn't talk about. By the way, yes,
his ratings have tainked. He was losing approximately forty to
(24:40):
fifty million dollars annually in his show that at a
bloated budget of over one hundred million dollars. But what
makes it even worse is later he talks about how
he is actually the martyr, and he actually says he
compares himselves to christ saying that he is the one
being martyred for speaking out against Trump, and it's lonely
up here on the cross. I mean, it's just the
(25:02):
brazen arrogance, is you know, and the lack of humor.
Getting back to the biggest point of why he was
actually fired and.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Christian for Colbert here the response to his show being
canceled reveals exactly what was wrong with the show. And
then it was completely partisan on the left the people
that had a problem with him being canceled, and nobody
on the right came to his defense.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
And the amazing thing is that we have to credit
again Hunter Biden for working on multiple shows. John Stewart
did the same f bomb palooza on.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
His programs or a daily show.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
You would think, given everything that's going on, you would
burn the midnight oil and write the funniest, most satirical,
most sharpest wit of you could possibly imagine in response
to being fired, to proving your worth, your weight, to
kind of striking back at your adversary, so to speaking,
by the way, why is he an adversary of the president?
(25:52):
He should be an adversary of Joe Biden, but he wasn't. Yeah,
she was a fundraiser for Joe Biden. Actually kept his
secret that he was declining a secret. I mean, just
a clown show, but not a funny clown show, not
ha ha funny.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And one thing I want to add when you were
talking about this shift, Ryan, culturally, it's interesting that Greg
Gettfeld outperforms all of them in a late night television
because he actually is funny. He doesn't just have himself
in the show, and Americans are tired of just denigrating
every institution in every individual, and.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Gutfield is the only one that doesn't occupy the leftist lane.
He has all that real estate all to himself and
that's why he's number one. And we cap it off again.
Jeff Daniels, Hunter Biden, Stephen Colbert, the lone female representative
this week, Joy behar let this slip and.
Speaker 12 (26:40):
Before we go on hiatus, only have one more show
after this.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I'm allowed to say that ry.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
Too late now matter.
Speaker 12 (26:48):
Yeah, before we go, I wanted to tell people that
the tide is churning. The tide is churning and things
are changing. I mean the ultimate irony would be that
Rupert Murdoch will take him down. Yeah, Fox News, who
created the monster, will take him down.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, Debora, the tide is turning. She's right on that part,
but not for the right reason. Colbert's going away the
views going on hiatus. What are we going to do
on this show?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Oh my gosh, who are we going to have for
the full of the week. Unfortunately. I do think there'll
be many to step in and fill those shoes. But
this is long overdue. I mean talk about a large budget.
When we pitched a similar show that could be an
alternative as one of the last things we pitched while
we were in Hollywood, they said, we went to the
network behind the View. They said, we know we're losing money,
(27:31):
we know the women we're trying to reach aren't watching
it anymore. But there was some kind of I don't know,
they got to have virtue signaling for still having it on.
I think the Hollywood situation of being out of touch
with the audience is coming to bear. In the economic
sense most of all.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
The shift you feel it well, that I do, and
I think part of it is money is just money.
Because CBS was willing to lose forty million a year
and keeping in.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
That show on the air.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Why why why would you voluntarily lose all that money.
But now that the finances are shrinking and contracting and
different platforms are actually making money, that's why things are
going on right now.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
That's why that's the change of thinking now.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
I do think that the View goes on vacation or
hiatus each summer, I think that's the part that's what
really not Yeah, but she better well she phrased it
into conspiratorial point of view.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
But I would love to look under the hood of
the view.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I would think that the production wise, it doesn't have
as many bells and whistles as tonight as the Late Show,
so it's probably a cheaper situation.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Let's let's let's look on the hood of a lot
of different institutions. I suspect there's going to be Listen,
Hollywood loves to spend money on failing things just.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
To get the message out there.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
They'll put a movie like Truth out there with the
Dan Rather story tell a complete lie, but knowing that
it's going to exist and thrive on cable and streaming
and platforms like that in perpetuity.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
So to get the view out there, get that message across.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Same thing.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
And by the way, everybody was talking, oh, we're going
to hire a conservative to mix things up. That's not happening. No,
there's no way it's happening.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
No, that's the.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Message they want to send. They don't care how dumb
or conspiratory it is. It's worth it.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
And then to lose money, but first CBS not forty
million dollars worth.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
A whole lot of dumb.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
In our nominees for Friday Field Away, Jeff Daniels, Hunter Biden,
Stephen Colbert, and Joy Bayhart good Luck five, seven, seven,
thretey nine. Your votes will get Deborah's and Christian's take
on the Other Side and my interview with Darryl Hammond
and his take on working with President Trump before he
was president twice on Saturday Night Live. You want to
hear that when we come back wrapping up the right
side of Hollywood after this.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
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paid advertisement President Trump behind the scenes. How was he
personally with you?
Speaker 9 (30:55):
I enjoyed my time with him. He was very curious
and very insightful, and he worked really hard, and he
didn't see that braggadocio things that people sort of associate
with him. He was there and he told me one
day that I said, why do you come? You come
later and you stay later and come earlier than anyone ever.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
He said, well, listen, I can't act.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
So I got to figure out a way to be
funny out here, you know, with words that somebody else wrote,
and he goes, I think, what I'm going to do
is I'm going to add lib paraphrase once in a while,
like I'll say something off script.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And I thought, you know, it worked because.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
You realize the more authentic.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You are, the funnier you are.
Speaker 9 (31:47):
And so he sort of intuitively understood that, and you know,
sure enough he went out and had a.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Really great show.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
But the thing about doing a guy with the guy
is the second day walk out, they change.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
They're not talking.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
They're not talking the way they were talking a few
minutes ago down on the floor. When they see you
doing them face to face, they change, and then you
have to change with them. And then all of a sudden,
it's the static electricity of two people trying to not
be what, you know, what they were a few minutes ago.
You know, I did my best.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
With that, but he came out there with a whole
new speech.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Pattern but threw me off.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Daryl Hammond on this very program, He's coming to Comedy
Work South this weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I'll be in attendance at some point.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Christy, you wrote an article about this interview exchange that
he had with me, and I found it to be
fascinating and how much he was revealing about his process
and behind the scenes with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
There didn't sound like a Trump hater to me.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Not at all, And he's just being honest.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
And I think a couple of years ago he wouldn't
have said that because he wanted to keep on working
in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I really love the way he broke down his impressions.
You could tell he's a master about what he does.
I mean, you know that by the results, but when
you can kind of break it down piece by piece,
and I've heard like Dana Carvey do this and other
comedians where they just kind of show you the technique
and the process, it is unbelievable. I've always been fascinating impressionists.
But the bottom line is that Donald Trump is a
very funny person. And you have to put aside any
(33:18):
political lens and say, guy's funny, off the cuff, funny,
interesting to listen to, has good comic timing almost more
than almost any of the president we've had. I mean
Obama at decent chops and things like that. But he
is really funny. I mean that those rallies, my gosh,
it's like.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
A stand up act.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And when it comes to the through line for this episode, Devroll,
what we're seeing is the backing away of a lot
of public figures from all the Trump hate and I
think it's gone too far. And Daryl Hammond had very
complimentary words there for Trump and his performance on that
show Saturday Nut Live.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, he repeated something that I've heard time and time again,
which is that the Donald Trump behind the scenes is gracious, polite,
seft spoken professional. The fact that he was saying that
he would be the first to show up in the
last to leave, a humility of understanding what he isn't
and what he is right. But he is also a
master connector with an audience. If anyone's been to one
(34:11):
of his rallies or one of his events, I was
at one for seapat coming for a media station, he
knows how to grab an audience and hold them and riff.
But there are two parts, and I think that is
what the left obtuseley is or purposely ignoring. There's the
showman and then there is the person that is making
(34:34):
significant positive changes for our country through his policies. And
there's a difference there, and I thought there was a
very respectful professional take on what he observed for his hand.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And what we learned too is Trump four Trump fifteen
on Saturday Night Live. The same process of going off
script from what's written for him applied to the rallies
that Christian is talking about and the time that we
have left, and it's not much. Unfortunately, your vote for
Friday Fool the Week, I think I know where you're going.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yes, you know, you made it really tough, and I
always do. But I'm had this dick with Jeff Daniels
comparing Kama Harris to Abraham Lincoln because I have a
special place on my heart for Abraham Lincoln and he
would never have said be unburdened by what was behind.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Christian Jeff Daniels absolute winner.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Oh wow, unanimous there. I'm gonna have to go with
two others.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh I got to put Hunter Biden in the final
three for our listeners to choose from five, seven, seven,
three nine, And we're gonna go with Joy Behar's letting
it slip that they're going on hiatus and then suggesting
that there's a shift happening and that somehow Fox News
is going to take Trump out the exact opposite of
what's going on out there.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
It's the left that's crumbling before her very eyes.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
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