August 30, 2025 • 36 mins
Weekly segment featuring Deborah Flora and Christian Toto in-studio with a conservative eye on the entertainment industry, focusing on a culture shift away from woke ideology in music, film, and television.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fascism is good for business, Yeah, because if you like Netflix,
like Netflix will just you know, co opt anybody that
can take that algorithm. And I think you kind of
I used to do a joke about it, Daniel, that
you know, Netflix can become REI flicks very quickly. And
I think the pivotal moment was when they had pushedback
(00:23):
from the trans community about Chappelle. They realized after several
days that that community was not going to affect their
bottom line at all, and they cut them loose. And
you know, that is how fascism works in business.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
What about math Mark Maron, Mark Maron, you may remember
he was in a prominent role. I was just telling
Deborah Flora this in the Netflix series Glow, which is
about female pro wrestling's based partially on a true story
kind of, and he plays like the manager of all
the women that wrestle. He also portrayed Alan Berg in
the film The Order. Alan Berg, of course, legendary radio
(01:00):
host on this very station six point thirty k on
over on our sister's station KOA back in the eighties,
and he was murdered in his driveway by white supremacists
and neo Nazis Mark Marin. However, here somehow takes pod
Save America. Those are the Obama bros. And veers them
even further to the left, and somehow comes out of
(01:21):
this and Christian total will start with you on this
categorizing Dave Chappelle of all people as part of this
fascist algorithm, and Reich Flicks instead of Netflix. But I
always approach these things, and maybe this makes me like
cold hearted. But what percentage of the population of an
audience on Netflix is trans I mean less than one? Sure,
(01:45):
shall we say? And then what percentage would be? I
don't know, Maga, people like us about half? So who
are you playing to and why? And why would you
torture yourself twist yourself in Annie Anne's pretzel knots trying
to accommodate this fractional percentage of an audience, to appease them,
to placate them, at the cost of all of your
(02:06):
other programming. Of course you're going to go with Chappelle.
Does Mark Maron not understand? I don't know business.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Jeez, Ryan, I didn't know you were a fascist too.
He is a comical figure and not the haha variety.
First of all, what he's basically saying is you can't
joke about certain groups period. If you are you're a fascist.
I mean, he used the word fascist so much it'd
be a great drinking game, except you'd have to have
a doctor in nearby because that's all he talks about.
I actually suffered through a lot of this interview. It
(02:32):
was just brutal. But the bottom line is that if
you actually watched the Dave Chappelle special, yes he did
some jokes about trans community, and yes that maybe a
little sharper elbow than maybe some people don't like. And
he told a story about he was friends with a
trans comic and their bond and a tribute to that
trans comic who died. But he doesn't care about that.
(02:52):
He wants certain subjects off limits. And if you listen
to more of Mark Maron, he wants comedians to have
less voices, he wants less pots casters out there. I mean,
he's completely anti free speech and yet who would never
admit it, and all he does is use the word fascist.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Deborah, give a listen to this.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
This is continuing on the clip that we just heard
Mark narn On pod say of America.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Their argument and response would be, well, we believe in
being home for everybody. So there's Chappelle, there's Ricky Gervais,
there's all these kinds of comics that do the same joke.
And we have a bunch of gay gay movies and
films and queer stuff like we're a home for everybody
and that's our answer.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Sure, But ultimately, who's getting the big deals? Which shows
stay on the air?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You know what do they keep repeating? It's like the
bigger audience. Yeah, that's them saying like, we got this
other stuff and we know there's a few of you,
but we're telling you a bone, so shut up. But
the big money's on the ones that you're talking about
that tittle in a certain way that is not always
right minded.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Right minded according to who.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And then also he's naming people that are I don't know, funny,
like oh my god, Ritchie Gers, how about Shane Gillis.
They get mega ratings in subscriptions based on these guys
being on those platforms, not for these LGBTQ fringe programs.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Yeah, it's pretty amazing. And I think in this capacity
he show he's truly a socialist or a communist because
the whole idea of capitalism which is driven by audience demand,
which honestly does not have to necessarily be left or right.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
It just has to be funny.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
And the best comedy pokes a little fun at absolutely everybody,
because a minute we cannot laugh at ourselves, then we're
really starting to go down a long, wrong pathway. I
also think it's interesting because he uses fascism all the time.
What he doesn't realize is what is the first thing
that fascists do. They stop free speech. So he's actually
the one that is for that. Oh, you can't joke
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about that because that's off limits.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
That's what fascists actually do.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
What Netflix said, and they saw that they read the
tea leaves with what happened to Disney and and also
some of the other movements here, and the CEO when
he stood up for Dave Chappelle just said, basically, we're
going to actually have all kinds of programming that is freedom,
and anyone who misnamed that is fascism is just well,
(05:17):
you know what they need to look in the mirror.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Well, they are the fascists they warned us about.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
Is how I would put that exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, here's Mirin on one of my all time favorites
and an idol of a lot of standard comedians out there.
How about Jerry Seinfeld, And this demonstrates Christian's point and
why it's dangerous for someone like Seinfeld to blink.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I think Seinfeld is somebody that's keep trying to do
new material. And I do like, you can like or
dislike what Seinfeld does, but even you can, but even
the great but even the other day, like he gave
some answer about woke stuff and he got some blowback,
and he actually came back and he said, you know what,
I was wrong about that, and he actually gave a
really good answer.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
He thought about it. He came back and he said, you.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Know what, I what I said was stupid and actually
if the goalpost moved, I should hit the goalpost.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's my job. And I thought that was cool.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think that what happened with Jerry ultimately is that
he was really a guy that didn't speak much publicly.
And then you know, not just because of the advent
of podcasting and the needs of the new publicity environment,
all of a sudden, Jerry was never shutting up. So
everybody saw Jerry for Jerry, and you do with that
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what you.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Will, Oh, my god, I'll do with it what I will.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I'm glad he apologized. Now you feel good about that?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Right there, right there is why you don't apologize, because
you're never going to please these people. It's never going
to be good enough. So you might as well just
stand up, double barrel, middle finger and say I'm gonna
do whatever I want. First of all, First of all,
go out on the street and ask the average person
who's Mark Mirron, and then ask them who's Jerry Seinfeld.
I'm sorry, Mark, You're an f lister compared to this guy.
(06:52):
Jerry Seinfeld's an all timer. He was the comedian, the
entertainer of the nineties period. And for him to say
I'm glad he apologize. There it just demonstrates again, Christian,
why you never apologize. You never explained, you never learned.
That was one of the tenets of Seinfeld the television show. Yeah,
you can never be woken up, that's for sure. I've
been right about that a lot. I've said so many thoughts.
One is actually talking to Deborah off Air. I don't
(07:14):
think he's well. I don't think Mark Marin as well.
He seems angry and bitter, and he's got all this fame.
I think he's had issues in the past. I think
he's talked about a little bit. Maybe I want to
get into that, but I don't care. He just doesn't
seem like a healthy person.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
He's like an extraordinarily bitter, angry person who is projecting
all over the place with his comments. It is absurd.
He's trying to paint Jerry Seinfeld as a bad human being.
I mean, what we've known him for like thirty forty
years now, I don't see it. And if he has
an opinion on certain comedic trends, does that make him
a bad human being? My gosh. I mean, who could
be less offensive than Jerry Seinfeld. And by the way,
(07:49):
one of the things that the host mentioned a little
while ago was says, oh, they're telling the whole the
same old joke. That's what the left does whenever they're
countered with people who don't follow their rules. It's either
hackey jokes or it's lazy joke lad, or it's the
same joke. They don't actually listen to the jokes. Because
Dave Chappelle is very different than Shane Gillis, is very
(08:10):
different than Ryan Long, is very different than Tim Dillon
is very different than Andrew Schultz, and lumping them all
together is just idiocy. It's like your brain is completely shut.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Deva.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Let me just paint a picture for the people that
would be very familiar with this, all you Gen xers
and older out there the show Seinfeld.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Now, Julia Louis Dreyfus is far left, and I think.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
She even gave a speech at one of the DNC
Bendiola sings in twenty twenty whatever whatever. And then Jason Alexander,
he's very woke, he's very left. And then you might
remember Michael Richards Kramer. He got into trouble, gotten a
lot of trouble, gott in some deep water. But who
was there to have his back? Jerry Seinfeld.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh that's gonna be why sticking in that Skuy's cross?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, But Devor, my point is, I don't think Jerry's
like quote unquote one of us.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
I don't think he's a conservative. No, no, no, he's just
not that he's not far left. Well, that's exactly right.
I mean, there is such an intolerance now on either
end of the spectrum, and it's like there's car rdinal
sins that are unforgivable, particularly from the left. And you
know what happened to Jerry Seinfeld when he goes, well,
you know what happened to Jerry Seinfeld? Well, what happened
to Jerry Seinfeld was he actually spoke in a level way,
(09:13):
kind of looking at the larger picture as an open minded,
classic liberal if he's not conservative, which I don't think
he is. And what happened to him He got attacked
by those who cannot tolerate any questioning, any thoughtful conversation,
anything of a different.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Way, and he backtracked.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
And I'm sorry of that for him, but he is
in a very lonely position. But it's not surprising to
me that he is the one that stood up for the.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
Castmate who had all those issues.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Because it takes someone that does not believe that there's
a cardinal sin. Thou shalt not criticize what woke, thou
shalt not say you actually like America.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Or whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
There has to be an understanding that you know what, Hey,
there's middle ground here. There's just people that are good.
There's people have different opinions. And that's the detail. Since
I think people saw in Seinfeld for so long and
why it was funny, and I.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Do agree with Christian.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
You know, Canadians already tend to be kind of on
a scale of manic depressive.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
It's the two mass they really are, and.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I talked to them.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
I've talked to many comedy writers and showrunners and they
even acknowledge that. But when they perhaps are like you know,
Mark Morone, who isn't really well known, when you had
bitterness to that, you had anger to that, and you're
only in your unhappy frownie mask face and you don't
know how to get back out of it and realize
funniest funny human experience is universal. You can trade out
(10:38):
different things, but we all have certain, you know, things
we share in humanity, and let's joke about those and
then tease everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
The documentary that I always recommend it it's more than
twenty years old now, is called Comedian and it features
Jerry Seinfeld ripping up his entire old act from during
his television show and before, and he goes out and
he surprises a lot of these comedy clubs.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
He just shows up. Hey, I'm Jerry Seinfeld. Can I
do an?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Of course, you've ben You're Jerry seinfilm there's ten minutes
that Buddy South the presses.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
He's work shopping, his craft, his act, and he shows you,
he takes you inside of that.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
And he's got a very small circle of friends.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That are kind of helping him out and giving them
advice and kind of telling them what they think.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And Jay Leno was one of those. And that does
not surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But there's a through line that they're so close, those two,
Jay Leno and Jerry Seinfeld, because they have that sensibility
about their audiences. The other young comic in it then,
and he's about my age now is Ornie Adams, and
he has that kind of bitter angry Why doesn't this
audience like me condescend to the audience. They must be stupid,
they don't understand my humor. And Jerry, one of the
last scenes in the film spoiler alert, but go see
it anyway, he sets them as saying, a gun, you
(11:38):
got to let that go, man, and he really has
some friendly advice for him.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, it's a basic lack of introspection. When my husband
was working at Walt Disney Studios, he used to say,
you know, the audience doesn't get whatever we're trying to
communicate that's not on them, that's on us.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
We did not do our job.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
If people are not laughing at your joke, have a
moment of introspection that maybe it's that's not funny, or
maybe that's not your crowd, or maybe, in the case
of Mark Moron, you really should not even call yourself
a comedian. You should go start a far left organization
where you can just be angry all the time.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Money, you know, But that lack.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Of introspection is stunning, particularly when it comes to people
who are in the entertainment business.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
The shoe fits on the left, Mark Mirren, he should
wear it. And this is where it gets really weird.
And this is why I brought this to your attention
at all, and to Christians as well.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
We're on the right side of Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Mark Mirron, the comedian, he's on pod Save America and
then they ask him about Bill Maher.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
And this, this is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I had to cut this in half because I had
to collect myself.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
What do you think about Bill Maher?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I can't. I can't do it. You know, I can't.
You know I don't.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I always had a problem with this tone. I think
I did. I did politically correct years a day. Yeah,
I'm sure you did a couple of times maybe, And
I think I did real time maybe once or twice.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
But you were dating and culture time.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was a dark time. I tried
to help her. She's lost cause I couldn't do it,
and nothing I could do with all my years of
experience and out of bed that could help her.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Okay, first of all, it's polically incorrect, but sorry Reill
me this Christian and Deborah too, what I know. Here's
what I know. Mark Maron dated and could so just
think about that for a second. And then also, Keith
Olberman dated your former employer.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Lower Ingram lower Ingram. Can you explain either of can't listen.
I'm not even go I'm not even attack them that
because I think that's actually a good thing. I mean
that they saw pass the politics.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Yeah, but it was longer than we have here today, right.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Anything mean spirited about it, like oh I couldn't share,
like oh me my vaunted sex skills? What are you
talking about it? They just it's just discussed. Also, just
attacking every comedian, Yeah, I mean that seems like a
weird move. Isn't it Seinfeld and mar and Rogan and Chappelle?
Is there anyone he likes? Has anyone met his approval?
But he really really likes himself. Isn't really funny?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
By the way, Let's get it one more clip here
and then we'll go to Deborah.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I feel with Bill that there is this, and it
happens with some of the other boomers. There's this desperate
chasing of relevance that you know, changes someone's mind in
terms of how they approach what they do, and and
and and also kind of makes the whole undertaking feel desperate.
(14:41):
And uh, you know, outside of you know, his ideas
about primarily I think wokeness. Uh, I don't know. It's
it's just not for me. I know his joke right,
you know, he's got good joke writers who know how
to write for his And I've known a couple of
those guys. They were comics and they're good guys. But
(15:04):
I can't I can't see past, you know, the desperation,
what he's willing to do to stay in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Desperation Christian's point, Debrah, I mean, is there any comedian
this guy likes?
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Well, here's the point.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I do feel like we're doing a psychology show most
of and I would just put this under projection. When
this guy's talking Mark Maren once again, you talked about
Mark Maren versus Jerry Seinfeld, Mark Maren versus Bill Maher.
Most people have no idea who Mark Maren is and
Bill and Bill Maher I actually think is going to
transcend this time that we're in because he's willing to
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look at things from every direction. But when Mark Marin
says that he's chasing relevance and some kind of active desperation,
that's him. All he can actually do is be a negative.
He actually needs to go back to the Muppet Show.
I'm really dating myself, needs to be that critic that
is up in the balcony, because that's all that they
can do. Critics can only criticize because they're not actually
(16:01):
able to create. But they were funny though to be fair,
that's who they had Fazzy Bear to play out, but
they weren't funny.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
But the thing about about this with Bill Maher.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Bill Maher is relevant because he is one of the
lone voices that has not actually abandoned his principles of
being far left on many things, but is a thinking
individual that is willing to look at it and risk
far more than Mark Maron is willing to risk. You
go on the podcast that he's on, He's not risking anything.
He's actually just playing into it. And honestly, at some
(16:31):
point in times, you just want to say to these people,
do you not understand how self righteous and narcissistic you sound.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
There's one thing with Mark Maren that I wouldn't say
that I would say about Bill Maher Christian that is
Bill Maher is interesting.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yes, And by the way, first of all, I guarantee
Maren would never go on Bill Maher's show to have
a healthy debate. Never, never, never, because he'd be half
his clock cleaned about five seconds. Also, Admith, there's an
old Gillian's Island episode where they came across a Japanese
soldier who still thought he was fighting World War two
in the sixties. I think Mark Maron like that with
(17:03):
woke is fading, Thank goodness, it's farthing and comedians have
their voice back, they have their ability to say what
they wanted to say back. And he's like that Japanese
soldier on the Gilligans Island said who still thinks he's
fighting the good fight. He's not. They lost he lost Mark.
It's over. And he actually says so much. He's like, ah,
I lost a one. They can say anything mean about
trans that's not what they're doing. They're telling jokes. Okay.
(17:24):
And by the way, if you live in a certain community,
you are a certain community. Don't you want jokes about YouTube?
Do you want to be excluded?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And like protected in a bubble?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Can't they laugh at themselves? We can all laugh at ourselves.
Andrew Schultz has a lot of good work in that direction.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now he has an article Christian Toto does at Hollywood
intoto dot Com along these lines. It says, this mony
Python alum lets woke daughter censor his jokes. John Cleese
stands up to woke mob while Eric Idol obeys its rules.
And then I found this clip in Christian's article. This
confirmed my suspicions about Bill Burr, who I once really liked,
and now he has bowed to the woke mob. Listen
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carefully married.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Yeah, No, she's the best. She's a saint and she
puts up with me and I actually run jokes buyer,
do you really yeah? Like should I say this? It's
just kinda you know, nowadays it's always that should I
d so weird?
Speaker 10 (18:11):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
No that as a comic you do the exact opposite.
Should I say this? Wife?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
No, that I'm doing it right right, And really the
question should not be should I say this and not
say this? Am I saying this across the board? Am
I only coming from one perspective? Or if that is
your lane, then just acknowledge that other people can have
a different lane and joke in a different way. And
then know, by the way, if you're only coming from
one side, you only get about half of America, one
(18:37):
third of America, one quarter of America, depending on how
narrow your understanding is of this wonderfully, really complicated place
we call the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
She's Deborah Flora, Christian Toto as well, breaking down the
modern state of comedy and Mark Maren's very sad and
pathetic appearance on Pod Save America.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Well, if you want sad and pathetic, you've come to
the right place.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
That's coming up next our nominees. Count them, We've got eight.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
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Speaker 11 (20:45):
Of these kids were literally praying it was the first
week of school. They were in a church. These are
kids that they should be learning with their friends. They
should be playing on the playground.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
They should be.
Speaker 11 (21:03):
Able to go to school or church in peace without
the fear or risk of violence, and their parents should
have the same kind of assurance. These are the sort
of basic assurances every family should have every step of
the day, regardless of where they are.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
In our country.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Okay, the Minneapolis shooting took place slightly before I went
live on the air a.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Couple of days ago.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
And I was in the midst of information coming in
and I didn't want to get anything wrong, So I
didn't even talk about the trans part of this out
of the gate because I wasn't sure about that. So
for our audience out there, as you know, we're going
to find out what we find out when we find
it out, and I am not going to get ahead
of a story and I'm not going to get it first.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Before I get it right.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So all of that being said, the principles involved in this,
and you would figure Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry would know
that he's.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
One of those you would hope would get it right.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But what he came right out of the gate with
was don't just say this about thoughts and prayers right now,
And they really had a problem with that. And he
wasn't the only one to go there. One of our
other nominees this week was as well. But Chris, do
you pick this one? Jacob Fry? And for him attacking,
you know, the very faith that brought those children together
at that Catholic church and school, it was almost mocking
(22:20):
it to me.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
It wasn't even almost it was mocking it. Right, Listen,
It's not we're going to sit back and do thoughts
and prayers and hope that changes the world. No one
ever thinks that. No one ever says that it's a
complete straw man. He's mocking faith, he's mocking people of faith,
and he's mocking anyone who doesn't abide by his specific rules.
(22:42):
And of course he wants more and more and more
gun control, even though this particular person passed a lot
of the gun laws and was in the legal right
to do what they did, sadly, and Minnesota has a
red flag law exactly, So it's not that now, is it.
You want to maybe put more resources into defending these
schools and these churches and these institutions and not make
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it a gun control for a gun free zone where
it's just like an open shooting gallery. How about having
a security guard in the premise and having the people
who who know that facility well know that and stay away.
That's something you can do. You know, they was looking
at it, got control, gun control, and then they attacked it, right,
And I mean, first of all, just why don't you
even take this path, this tone, this approach. It's just
(23:26):
it's gross. But you know what this mayor is gross
I've seen him in action. Oh yeah, he was the
Minneapolis nonsense. He's gross. These people are disgusting at this point,
I just you know, they're just politicians. But by God,
have some humanity, he cried performatively at the gold casket.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
George Floyd, as you call exactly right.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Yeah, you know Christian used the word I was going to,
which is the term straw man argument. As a Christian,
I'm sick and tired of people making me feel like
I can't do two things at once.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's a false argument.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Yes, I believe in prayer because one of the things
that's the piece of passes understanding. I cannot imagine how
these parents are feeling in this community is feeling, but
that also motivates towards actions. But what I find interesting
is one of the few times you've actually heard one
of these individuals mention faith, the children were praying only to.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Attack the faith. Use this cold pray anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Because see, it didn't work, because it is absolutely reprehensible
in that manner, And it is a strong and argument.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
You can do both.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
It's not either or.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
In fact, there are many people of faith who are
working actively to correct the ills in the world.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
And looking at ways to.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Actually protect children, not just blame a particular group of
which these folks are gathered together in that faith.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I'm going to go kind of in chronological order here.
So we find out it happened, there's a shooting. Who
is it, we're identifying the shooter. People are expressing I
want to send thoughts and prayers. Jacob Fry, Minneapolis mayor
or nominee, one of several for a Fool of the Week,
slams that idea. Then you get somebody all the way
from Ireland popping off on her whatever social media feed.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Rosie o'donald from across the pond. She had some.
Speaker 12 (25:03):
Thoughts so about the Minnesota shooting, and it brought me
right back to Columbine in nineteen ninety nine when I
just could not get it through my head that students
in America were shooting each other in schools, and this
was a church inside a Catholic school, And what do
(25:26):
you know was a white guy, Republican MAGA person, what
do you know? White supremacist?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh for three, completely incorrect, exactly wrong, Rosie o'donald.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
There.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
In fact, the shooter was trans identified as female, biologically
male and further informations. This just sent to me by
Rob Dawson from our Chaoi newsroom. From the manifesto, also
inscribed on the ammunition as I reported in real time
because I saw it killed Donald Trump, so not a
maga republic. And Rosie this directly from the shooter's manifesto quote,
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you were right, mama, but the way you handled it
led me to wanting to kill so many people.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
The shooter.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
You know, here's the thing that gets missed. First of all,
if we as a country cannot come together when children are.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Murdered, this is a very sad day.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
It reinforces the fact that people like Rosie o'donnelld just
first of all, are not even operating with facts or information.
This was a really an evil, troubled individual. She's talking about,
not from the factual standpoint from which it is, which
is why if we are not actually dealing with facts,
(26:42):
we can't even begin to have a conversation of how
to stop this from happening. The conversation should be what
is the mental illness of folks like this? And it
brings to mind, obviously the Kevenet shooting in Nashville and
all that happened there in the information we never found
out about that shooting a trends individual also targeting a
Christian school. Really, the question needs to me, how do
(27:04):
we protect these children? How do we begin to address
the roots of what is causing people to do the unthinkable?
And by the way, we've seen over and over again
in England they're trying to ban knives. If bad people
want to do something bad, they will find a way
to do it. So quit with the nonsense. And Rosie's
kind of leading the nonsense charge.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Remember the interests a litle bit that I played final times. Yes,
oh my god, yeah, you know. I'm at the point
with Rosie O'Donnell. I just think that she's so ill
that she needs help, and aren't there people in her life?
Aren't there loved ones who care about her. That just
the things that she says on an almost daily basis
and shares on social media.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
She's not well, She's just not in her right mind.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And to shock you with something her kid is trans.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Right, I think so I believe that's true, But you
know that's I'm just every other day, this is inane,
over the top outrage comment that is not fact based
at all. I mean, at some point, aren't there people
who can just going to step in and say, hey, Rosie,
maybe step aside or we should talk. I mean this
just for the shooter. No one stepped in with that
(28:10):
guy and said, hey, you need help, I gotta come
with me, Ed, We're gonna to treat you. I mean,
I guess we're just in this weird place. We don't
help each other.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Just confirm the delusion, Jensaki. So in real time, she's
concerned about the details that did get out, and they
were not a convenient narrative for the left. So she's
talking to Mayor Jacob Frye about how do we keep
inconvenient facts from coming out? And we're covering a story
literally says the quiet part out loud right here.
Speaker 13 (28:36):
There's already been sort of some effort, which I think
is so sick and disgusting to weaponize some of the details,
even if we don't know a lot at this point
in time, and obviously the law enforcement in your city
have been keeping people abreast, including details about the individual
possibly being trends about the individual possibly having negative things
(28:57):
to say about Trump, about some things that have been
on the weapons, A lot of this.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Is just very early reporting.
Speaker 13 (29:04):
What do you do as a leader of your city
to prevent details from being weaponized and using this to
blame something other than the guns?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
One question, My gosh, were the details true? Yes? And yes?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But also if it was a Maga person, she would
be all over the details, ready to pounce and seize
on it pounds, couldn't we see?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Yeah, this is the one that makes me absolutely red
because what she in, you know, in my mindset, because
what she's really saying here is how do we keep
the American people in the dark about what is really
going on? So what she's saying is, I'm one hundred
percent for censorship. Let's only let those poor slobs in
America know what we think they need to know because
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they cannot be trusted with the information. In a very
weird way, it reminds me all the way back to
nine to eleven, where when it happened, there was this
immediate jump to, well, we need to make sure that
nobody takes it out on Muslim people, as though the
American people are not intelligent enough to say I know
a lot of great Muslim people.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
But if we take away.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
The reason why those individuals did it, which is their viewpoint,
their jihattest weaponized viewpoint, that we can never address the problem.
And you know what she says at the very end,
First of all, let's lie to the American people. How
do we keep them from knowing anything so they won't
blame anything but the guns. I'm sorry, put an inanimate
object on the table let.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It be a gun.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
It will not do anything on its own.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
It's the worst kind of socialism, elitist where they really
believe America cannot be trusted with facts.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Well, you mentioned it, Deborah'm so glad you went there,
because this is an all time post on X by
the now departed Norm MacDonald.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's just about to bring it out.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Read it.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I'll do my best. Norm.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
What terrifies me is if I is sort of detonate
a nuclear device and kill fifty million Americans, imagine the
backlash against peaceful Muslims.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
How about about the milis a dead American the ability
to fighting.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
That's Norms humor though, gosh, unfortunately no humor in this.
It happened multiple times across the spectrum because we're really
clued in and we're really sensitive, and we've got the
feels for the shooter. It just killed a couple of
kids and injured twenty Gotta get their pronouns right, Jake Tapper,
make sure of that here on CNN, Jake.
Speaker 14 (31:21):
You know, again piecing together this information, all of it
incredibly disturbing. And again, as I think people have been
pointing out since this happened, you know, you see obviously
some real clues here as to what a motive could be,
but they're not saying formally what it is yet.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
The Minneapolis starts Rebune just as another piece of the
puzzle as to who the shooter was. Minneapolis start Rebuting says,
according to court records, because there's been some confusion about
what the shooter's name was, Robin Westman's mother applied to
change your child's name in twenty nineteen. It was at
one point Robert Paul Westman. But since she identifies as
(31:56):
a female and wants her name to reflect that identification
was underage, it's now Robin Westman.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Okay, just want to make sure we got that right.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So who did it better, Jake Tapper or Alisa Chang
from NPR. And yet she does the voice of crowding
the microphone after interviewing Amy.
Speaker 15 (32:12):
Klobashar nprs Alisa Chang doing an interview with Senator Clobashar,
who's a Minnesota senator, on this issue yesterday.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
That's something that making Kelly set up to it. I
think at.
Speaker 15 (32:24):
Eighteen who have been wounded, who are in the hospitals,
and listen to what's upsetting miss Chang in this discussion.
Speaker 16 (32:30):
Software there is, of course the hate. You're going to
find that this perpetrator, that this horrific offender that he was,
it was all perpect hate, right. He hated a lot
of different groups.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
It wasn't one ideology or another.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
We're going to have to leave it there.
Speaker 17 (32:45):
That is Senator Amy Klobashar of Minnesota, thank you very
much for breaking down.
Speaker 16 (32:49):
Elstuck with Thanks you for thinking of a thank you,
and just.
Speaker 17 (32:52):
A point of clarification. Senator Klobshar referenced the shooter as key.
Although police have identified a suspect, it's still unclear at
this time what that person's gender is or how they identified.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Oh my gosh, this is this is where we don't
need Saturday Night Live, you know, you know that whole
thing about say their name, which I do think we
need to remember people. The whole big thing about Robin
or Robert. You know, honestly, I don't care. I do
not actually care if this individual is transgender. How about
say the names of the children that were killed. How
(33:23):
about we do that instead? This incredible move in our
society to have sympathy for I'm gonna do my Yeah,
I want to have sympathy Ryan with those who are
the perpetrators. And forget about all the innocent children who
are killed.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Do you think they go home they say, hey, honey,
can you pass this all?
Speaker 13 (33:42):
Please?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Please? Yeah, it's a trained voice. It's a very controlled
and constraint. And I'm sorry, but Senator klovichari you we're
not woke enough of this individual. We do not know
how they identify or preferred their pronouns.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yes, or who they hated. I don't care. We need it.
We need to save their name, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
NPR is Alisa Chang Tapper CNN before that also had
Jen Saki, Rosie O'Donnell Alzheimer always of course, and Jacob
Fry those of your nominees.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
We'll have our.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Two panelists vote what they think.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Coming back and your votes at five, seven, seven, three
nine for a Friday Fool of the Week after this
on the right side of Hollywood. Oh, following my program
today Live Over the Year on six point thirty. K
how you're gonna hear Buffs pregames that's gonna be running
that see you. Boulder Football begins tonight and they'll be
(34:33):
playing Georgia Tech. So that kickoff is at six pm.
If I'm not mistaken, you'll still hear the Dan Kaplis Show,
and that'll be online, so you need to listen that way,
So we'll be streaming it, streaming it now, got that
out of the way. Cominees for Friday Fool the Week
got some votes coming in. Let's get the votes of
our panelists. Christian Toto, who do you gotten? Why tough Week?
(34:54):
Hor beings.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I'm going to go with Jen Saki because she is
technically a newsperson and she's demanding that we sense her
news that doesn't fit her narrative. That is the absolute
opposite of what a newsperson should be. I took one
journalism course, of course I knew that.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Yeah, yeah, you know what you still mine, I thought,
I thought, But here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
It's a good.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Vote because of that, Because here's.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
A good thing. She said it out loud. Good, but
she did it without flinching, which means she truly believes
that her.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Job, having been in government and media, is to only
tell the poor, unwashed mass is what they think we
should know, and it's that's really the greatest threat in
many ways to our republic right now.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Okay, so two votes for Jensaki. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We got one more on the text line, so an
early lead. They all deserve us as this texture, but
voting for Jensaki with a green face sick emoji like
they're gonna barb.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
DeMange the dress she usually wears.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
A peppermint patty. She does do that. This one, says Rosie.
I've never forgiven her for what she did to Tom Selleck.
We're talking about that and Johann Bery confronting him on
guns when she.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Was the Queen of Nice.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Queen of Nice until she wasn't she took herself off
that throne.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Jared and Boulder part of our log cabin Republican friends,
says Ryan. Remember that Rosie o'donald's spouse committed suicide.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Take care of your own family members first. Okay, well that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Vote is noted. We'll have more to come. Steven L.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Miller, VERSUS podcast host, joins US Next
Fascism is good for business, Yeah, because if you like Netflix,
like Netflix will just you know, co opt anybody that
can take that algorithm. And I think you kind of
I used to do a joke about it, Daniel, that
you know, Netflix can become REI flicks very quickly. And
I think the pivotal moment was when they had pushedback
(00:23):
from the trans community about Chappelle. They realized after several
days that that community was not going to affect their
bottom line at all, and they cut them loose. And
you know, that is how fascism works in business.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
What about math Mark Maron, Mark Maron, you may remember
he was in a prominent role. I was just telling
Deborah Flora this in the Netflix series Glow, which is
about female pro wrestling's based partially on a true story
kind of, and he plays like the manager of all
the women that wrestle. He also portrayed Alan Berg in
the film The Order. Alan Berg, of course, legendary radio
(01:00):
host on this very station six point thirty k on
over on our sister's station KOA back in the eighties,
and he was murdered in his driveway by white supremacists
and neo Nazis Mark Marin. However, here somehow takes pod
Save America. Those are the Obama bros. And veers them
even further to the left, and somehow comes out of
(01:21):
this and Christian total will start with you on this
categorizing Dave Chappelle of all people as part of this
fascist algorithm, and Reich Flicks instead of Netflix. But I
always approach these things, and maybe this makes me like
cold hearted. But what percentage of the population of an
audience on Netflix is trans I mean less than one? Sure,
(01:45):
shall we say? And then what percentage would be? I
don't know, Maga, people like us about half? So who
are you playing to and why? And why would you
torture yourself twist yourself in Annie Anne's pretzel knots trying
to accommodate this fractional percentage of an audience, to appease them,
to placate them, at the cost of all of your
(02:06):
other programming. Of course you're going to go with Chappelle.
Does Mark Maron not understand? I don't know business.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Jeez, Ryan, I didn't know you were a fascist too.
He is a comical figure and not the haha variety.
First of all, what he's basically saying is you can't
joke about certain groups period. If you are you're a fascist.
I mean, he used the word fascist so much it'd
be a great drinking game, except you'd have to have
a doctor in nearby because that's all he talks about.
I actually suffered through a lot of this interview. It
(02:32):
was just brutal. But the bottom line is that if
you actually watched the Dave Chappelle special, yes he did
some jokes about trans community, and yes that maybe a
little sharper elbow than maybe some people don't like. And
he told a story about he was friends with a
trans comic and their bond and a tribute to that
trans comic who died. But he doesn't care about that.
(02:52):
He wants certain subjects off limits. And if you listen
to more of Mark Maron, he wants comedians to have
less voices, he wants less pots casters out there. I mean,
he's completely anti free speech and yet who would never
admit it, and all he does is use the word fascist.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Deborah, give a listen to this.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
This is continuing on the clip that we just heard
Mark narn On pod say of America.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Their argument and response would be, well, we believe in
being home for everybody. So there's Chappelle, there's Ricky Gervais,
there's all these kinds of comics that do the same joke.
And we have a bunch of gay gay movies and
films and queer stuff like we're a home for everybody
and that's our answer.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Sure, But ultimately, who's getting the big deals? Which shows
stay on the air?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You know what do they keep repeating? It's like the
bigger audience. Yeah, that's them saying like, we got this
other stuff and we know there's a few of you,
but we're telling you a bone, so shut up. But
the big money's on the ones that you're talking about
that tittle in a certain way that is not always
right minded.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Right minded according to who.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And then also he's naming people that are I don't know, funny,
like oh my god, Ritchie Gers, how about Shane Gillis.
They get mega ratings in subscriptions based on these guys
being on those platforms, not for these LGBTQ fringe programs.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Yeah, it's pretty amazing. And I think in this capacity
he show he's truly a socialist or a communist because
the whole idea of capitalism which is driven by audience demand,
which honestly does not have to necessarily be left or right.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
It just has to be funny.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
And the best comedy pokes a little fun at absolutely everybody,
because a minute we cannot laugh at ourselves, then we're
really starting to go down a long, wrong pathway. I
also think it's interesting because he uses fascism all the time.
What he doesn't realize is what is the first thing
that fascists do. They stop free speech. So he's actually
the one that is for that. Oh, you can't joke
(04:49):
about that because that's off limits.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
That's what fascists actually do.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
What Netflix said, and they saw that they read the
tea leaves with what happened to Disney and and also
some of the other movements here, and the CEO when
he stood up for Dave Chappelle just said, basically, we're
going to actually have all kinds of programming that is freedom,
and anyone who misnamed that is fascism is just well,
(05:17):
you know what they need to look in the mirror.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Well, they are the fascists they warned us about.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
Is how I would put that exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, here's Mirin on one of my all time favorites
and an idol of a lot of standard comedians out there.
How about Jerry Seinfeld, And this demonstrates Christian's point and
why it's dangerous for someone like Seinfeld to blink.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I think Seinfeld is somebody that's keep trying to do
new material. And I do like, you can like or
dislike what Seinfeld does, but even you can, but even
the great but even the other day, like he gave
some answer about woke stuff and he got some blowback,
and he actually came back and he said, you know what,
I was wrong about that, and he actually gave a
really good answer.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
He thought about it. He came back and he said, you.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Know what, I what I said was stupid and actually
if the goalpost moved, I should hit the goalpost.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's my job. And I thought that was cool.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think that what happened with Jerry ultimately is that
he was really a guy that didn't speak much publicly.
And then you know, not just because of the advent
of podcasting and the needs of the new publicity environment,
all of a sudden, Jerry was never shutting up. So
everybody saw Jerry for Jerry, and you do with that
(06:24):
what you.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Will, Oh, my god, I'll do with it what I will.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I'm glad he apologized. Now you feel good about that?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Right there, right there is why you don't apologize, because
you're never going to please these people. It's never going
to be good enough. So you might as well just
stand up, double barrel, middle finger and say I'm gonna
do whatever I want. First of all, First of all,
go out on the street and ask the average person
who's Mark Mirron, and then ask them who's Jerry Seinfeld.
I'm sorry, Mark, You're an f lister compared to this guy.
(06:52):
Jerry Seinfeld's an all timer. He was the comedian, the
entertainer of the nineties period. And for him to say
I'm glad he apologize. There it just demonstrates again, Christian,
why you never apologize. You never explained, you never learned.
That was one of the tenets of Seinfeld the television show. Yeah,
you can never be woken up, that's for sure. I've
been right about that a lot. I've said so many thoughts.
One is actually talking to Deborah off Air. I don't
(07:14):
think he's well. I don't think Mark Marin as well.
He seems angry and bitter, and he's got all this fame.
I think he's had issues in the past. I think
he's talked about a little bit. Maybe I want to
get into that, but I don't care. He just doesn't
seem like a healthy person.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
He's like an extraordinarily bitter, angry person who is projecting
all over the place with his comments. It is absurd.
He's trying to paint Jerry Seinfeld as a bad human being.
I mean, what we've known him for like thirty forty
years now, I don't see it. And if he has
an opinion on certain comedic trends, does that make him
a bad human being? My gosh. I mean, who could
be less offensive than Jerry Seinfeld. And by the way,
(07:49):
one of the things that the host mentioned a little
while ago was says, oh, they're telling the whole the
same old joke. That's what the left does whenever they're
countered with people who don't follow their rules. It's either
hackey jokes or it's lazy joke lad, or it's the
same joke. They don't actually listen to the jokes. Because
Dave Chappelle is very different than Shane Gillis, is very
(08:10):
different than Ryan Long, is very different than Tim Dillon
is very different than Andrew Schultz, and lumping them all
together is just idiocy. It's like your brain is completely shut.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Deva.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Let me just paint a picture for the people that
would be very familiar with this, all you Gen xers
and older out there the show Seinfeld.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Now, Julia Louis Dreyfus is far left, and I think.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
She even gave a speech at one of the DNC
Bendiola sings in twenty twenty whatever whatever. And then Jason Alexander,
he's very woke, he's very left. And then you might
remember Michael Richards Kramer. He got into trouble, gotten a
lot of trouble, gott in some deep water. But who
was there to have his back? Jerry Seinfeld.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh that's gonna be why sticking in that Skuy's cross?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, But Devor, my point is, I don't think Jerry's
like quote unquote one of us.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
I don't think he's a conservative. No, no, no, he's just
not that he's not far left. Well, that's exactly right.
I mean, there is such an intolerance now on either
end of the spectrum, and it's like there's car rdinal
sins that are unforgivable, particularly from the left. And you
know what happened to Jerry Seinfeld when he goes, well,
you know what happened to Jerry Seinfeld? Well, what happened
to Jerry Seinfeld was he actually spoke in a level way,
(09:13):
kind of looking at the larger picture as an open minded,
classic liberal if he's not conservative, which I don't think
he is. And what happened to him He got attacked
by those who cannot tolerate any questioning, any thoughtful conversation,
anything of a different.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Way, and he backtracked.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
And I'm sorry of that for him, but he is
in a very lonely position. But it's not surprising to
me that he is the one that stood up for the.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
Castmate who had all those issues.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Because it takes someone that does not believe that there's
a cardinal sin. Thou shalt not criticize what woke, thou
shalt not say you actually like America.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Or whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
There has to be an understanding that you know what, Hey,
there's middle ground here. There's just people that are good.
There's people have different opinions. And that's the detail. Since
I think people saw in Seinfeld for so long and
why it was funny, and I.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Do agree with Christian.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
You know, Canadians already tend to be kind of on
a scale of manic depressive.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
It's the two mass they really are, and.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I talked to them.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
I've talked to many comedy writers and showrunners and they
even acknowledge that. But when they perhaps are like you know,
Mark Morone, who isn't really well known, when you had
bitterness to that, you had anger to that, and you're
only in your unhappy frownie mask face and you don't
know how to get back out of it and realize
funniest funny human experience is universal. You can trade out
(10:38):
different things, but we all have certain, you know, things
we share in humanity, and let's joke about those and
then tease everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
The documentary that I always recommend it it's more than
twenty years old now, is called Comedian and it features
Jerry Seinfeld ripping up his entire old act from during
his television show and before, and he goes out and
he surprises a lot of these comedy clubs.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
He just shows up. Hey, I'm Jerry Seinfeld. Can I
do an?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Of course, you've ben You're Jerry seinfilm there's ten minutes
that Buddy South the presses.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
He's work shopping, his craft, his act, and he shows you,
he takes you inside of that.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
And he's got a very small circle of friends.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That are kind of helping him out and giving them
advice and kind of telling them what they think.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And Jay Leno was one of those. And that does
not surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But there's a through line that they're so close, those two,
Jay Leno and Jerry Seinfeld, because they have that sensibility
about their audiences. The other young comic in it then,
and he's about my age now is Ornie Adams, and
he has that kind of bitter angry Why doesn't this
audience like me condescend to the audience. They must be stupid,
they don't understand my humor. And Jerry, one of the
last scenes in the film spoiler alert, but go see
it anyway, he sets them as saying, a gun, you
(11:38):
got to let that go, man, and he really has
some friendly advice for him.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, it's a basic lack of introspection. When my husband
was working at Walt Disney Studios, he used to say,
you know, the audience doesn't get whatever we're trying to
communicate that's not on them, that's on us.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
We did not do our job.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
If people are not laughing at your joke, have a
moment of introspection that maybe it's that's not funny, or
maybe that's not your crowd, or maybe, in the case
of Mark Moron, you really should not even call yourself
a comedian. You should go start a far left organization
where you can just be angry all the time.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Money, you know, But that lack.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Of introspection is stunning, particularly when it comes to people
who are in the entertainment business.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
The shoe fits on the left, Mark Mirren, he should
wear it. And this is where it gets really weird.
And this is why I brought this to your attention
at all, and to Christians as well.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
We're on the right side of Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Mark Mirron, the comedian, he's on pod Save America and
then they ask him about Bill Maher.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
And this, this is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I had to cut this in half because I had
to collect myself.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
What do you think about Bill Maher?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I can't. I can't do it. You know, I can't.
You know I don't.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I always had a problem with this tone. I think
I did. I did politically correct years a day. Yeah,
I'm sure you did a couple of times maybe, And
I think I did real time maybe once or twice.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
But you were dating and culture time.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was a dark time. I tried
to help her. She's lost cause I couldn't do it,
and nothing I could do with all my years of
experience and out of bed that could help her.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Okay, first of all, it's polically incorrect, but sorry Reill
me this Christian and Deborah too, what I know. Here's
what I know. Mark Maron dated and could so just
think about that for a second. And then also, Keith
Olberman dated your former employer.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Lower Ingram lower Ingram. Can you explain either of can't listen.
I'm not even go I'm not even attack them that
because I think that's actually a good thing. I mean
that they saw pass the politics.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Yeah, but it was longer than we have here today, right.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Anything mean spirited about it, like oh I couldn't share,
like oh me my vaunted sex skills? What are you
talking about it? They just it's just discussed. Also, just
attacking every comedian, Yeah, I mean that seems like a
weird move. Isn't it Seinfeld and mar and Rogan and Chappelle?
Is there anyone he likes? Has anyone met his approval?
But he really really likes himself. Isn't really funny?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
By the way, Let's get it one more clip here
and then we'll go to Deborah.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I feel with Bill that there is this, and it
happens with some of the other boomers. There's this desperate
chasing of relevance that you know, changes someone's mind in
terms of how they approach what they do, and and
and and also kind of makes the whole undertaking feel desperate.
(14:41):
And uh, you know, outside of you know, his ideas
about primarily I think wokeness. Uh, I don't know. It's
it's just not for me. I know his joke right,
you know, he's got good joke writers who know how
to write for his And I've known a couple of
those guys. They were comics and they're good guys. But
(15:04):
I can't I can't see past, you know, the desperation,
what he's willing to do to stay in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Desperation Christian's point, Debrah, I mean, is there any comedian
this guy likes?
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Well, here's the point.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I do feel like we're doing a psychology show most
of and I would just put this under projection. When
this guy's talking Mark Maren once again, you talked about
Mark Maren versus Jerry Seinfeld, Mark Maren versus Bill Maher.
Most people have no idea who Mark Maren is and
Bill and Bill Maher I actually think is going to
transcend this time that we're in because he's willing to
(15:41):
look at things from every direction. But when Mark Marin
says that he's chasing relevance and some kind of active desperation,
that's him. All he can actually do is be a negative.
He actually needs to go back to the Muppet Show.
I'm really dating myself, needs to be that critic that
is up in the balcony, because that's all that they
can do. Critics can only criticize because they're not actually
(16:01):
able to create. But they were funny though to be fair,
that's who they had Fazzy Bear to play out, but
they weren't funny.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
But the thing about about this with Bill Maher.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Bill Maher is relevant because he is one of the
lone voices that has not actually abandoned his principles of
being far left on many things, but is a thinking
individual that is willing to look at it and risk
far more than Mark Maron is willing to risk. You
go on the podcast that he's on, He's not risking anything.
He's actually just playing into it. And honestly, at some
(16:31):
point in times, you just want to say to these people,
do you not understand how self righteous and narcissistic you sound.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
There's one thing with Mark Maren that I wouldn't say
that I would say about Bill Maher Christian that is
Bill Maher is interesting.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yes, And by the way, first of all, I guarantee
Maren would never go on Bill Maher's show to have
a healthy debate. Never, never, never, because he'd be half
his clock cleaned about five seconds. Also, Admith, there's an
old Gillian's Island episode where they came across a Japanese
soldier who still thought he was fighting World War two
in the sixties. I think Mark Maron like that with
(17:03):
woke is fading, Thank goodness, it's farthing and comedians have
their voice back, they have their ability to say what
they wanted to say back. And he's like that Japanese
soldier on the Gilligans Island said who still thinks he's
fighting the good fight. He's not. They lost he lost Mark.
It's over. And he actually says so much. He's like, ah,
I lost a one. They can say anything mean about
trans that's not what they're doing. They're telling jokes. Okay.
(17:24):
And by the way, if you live in a certain community,
you are a certain community. Don't you want jokes about YouTube?
Do you want to be excluded?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And like protected in a bubble?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Can't they laugh at themselves? We can all laugh at ourselves.
Andrew Schultz has a lot of good work in that direction.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now he has an article Christian Toto does at Hollywood
intoto dot Com along these lines. It says, this mony
Python alum lets woke daughter censor his jokes. John Cleese
stands up to woke mob while Eric Idol obeys its rules.
And then I found this clip in Christian's article. This
confirmed my suspicions about Bill Burr, who I once really liked,
and now he has bowed to the woke mob. Listen
(17:59):
carefully married.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Yeah, No, she's the best. She's a saint and she
puts up with me and I actually run jokes buyer,
do you really yeah? Like should I say this? It's
just kinda you know, nowadays it's always that should I
d so weird?
Speaker 10 (18:11):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
No that as a comic you do the exact opposite.
Should I say this? Wife?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
No, that I'm doing it right right, And really the
question should not be should I say this and not
say this? Am I saying this across the board? Am
I only coming from one perspective? Or if that is
your lane, then just acknowledge that other people can have
a different lane and joke in a different way. And
then know, by the way, if you're only coming from
one side, you only get about half of America, one
(18:37):
third of America, one quarter of America, depending on how
narrow your understanding is of this wonderfully, really complicated place
we call the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
She's Deborah Flora, Christian Toto as well, breaking down the
modern state of comedy and Mark Maren's very sad and
pathetic appearance on Pod Save America.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Well, if you want sad and pathetic, you've come to
the right place.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
That's coming up next our nominees. Count them, We've got eight.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
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Speaker 11 (20:45):
Of these kids were literally praying it was the first
week of school. They were in a church. These are
kids that they should be learning with their friends. They
should be playing on the playground.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
They should be.
Speaker 11 (21:03):
Able to go to school or church in peace without
the fear or risk of violence, and their parents should
have the same kind of assurance. These are the sort
of basic assurances every family should have every step of
the day, regardless of where they are.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
In our country.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Okay, the Minneapolis shooting took place slightly before I went
live on the air a.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Couple of days ago.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
And I was in the midst of information coming in
and I didn't want to get anything wrong, So I
didn't even talk about the trans part of this out
of the gate because I wasn't sure about that. So
for our audience out there, as you know, we're going
to find out what we find out when we find
it out, and I am not going to get ahead
of a story and I'm not going to get it first.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Before I get it right.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So all of that being said, the principles involved in this,
and you would figure Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry would know
that he's.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
One of those you would hope would get it right.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But what he came right out of the gate with
was don't just say this about thoughts and prayers right now,
And they really had a problem with that. And he
wasn't the only one to go there. One of our
other nominees this week was as well. But Chris, do
you pick this one? Jacob Fry? And for him attacking,
you know, the very faith that brought those children together
at that Catholic church and school, it was almost mocking
(22:20):
it to me.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
It wasn't even almost it was mocking it. Right, Listen,
It's not we're going to sit back and do thoughts
and prayers and hope that changes the world. No one
ever thinks that. No one ever says that it's a
complete straw man. He's mocking faith, he's mocking people of faith,
and he's mocking anyone who doesn't abide by his specific rules.
(22:42):
And of course he wants more and more and more
gun control, even though this particular person passed a lot
of the gun laws and was in the legal right
to do what they did, sadly, and Minnesota has a
red flag law exactly, So it's not that now, is it.
You want to maybe put more resources into defending these
schools and these churches and these institutions and not make
(23:05):
it a gun control for a gun free zone where
it's just like an open shooting gallery. How about having
a security guard in the premise and having the people
who who know that facility well know that and stay away.
That's something you can do. You know, they was looking
at it, got control, gun control, and then they attacked it, right,
And I mean, first of all, just why don't you
even take this path, this tone, this approach. It's just
(23:26):
it's gross. But you know what this mayor is gross
I've seen him in action. Oh yeah, he was the
Minneapolis nonsense. He's gross. These people are disgusting at this point,
I just you know, they're just politicians. But by God,
have some humanity, he cried performatively at the gold casket.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
George Floyd, as you call exactly right.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Yeah, you know Christian used the word I was going to,
which is the term straw man argument. As a Christian,
I'm sick and tired of people making me feel like
I can't do two things at once.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's a false argument.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Yes, I believe in prayer because one of the things
that's the piece of passes understanding. I cannot imagine how
these parents are feeling in this community is feeling, but
that also motivates towards actions. But what I find interesting
is one of the few times you've actually heard one
of these individuals mention faith, the children were praying only to.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Attack the faith. Use this cold pray anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Because see, it didn't work, because it is absolutely reprehensible
in that manner, And it is a strong and argument.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
You can do both.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
It's not either or.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
In fact, there are many people of faith who are
working actively to correct the ills in the world.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
And looking at ways to.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Actually protect children, not just blame a particular group of
which these folks are gathered together in that faith.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I'm going to go kind of in chronological order here.
So we find out it happened, there's a shooting. Who
is it, we're identifying the shooter. People are expressing I
want to send thoughts and prayers. Jacob Fry, Minneapolis mayor
or nominee, one of several for a Fool of the Week,
slams that idea. Then you get somebody all the way
from Ireland popping off on her whatever social media feed.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Rosie o'donald from across the pond. She had some.
Speaker 12 (25:03):
Thoughts so about the Minnesota shooting, and it brought me
right back to Columbine in nineteen ninety nine when I
just could not get it through my head that students
in America were shooting each other in schools, and this
was a church inside a Catholic school, And what do
(25:26):
you know was a white guy, Republican MAGA person, what
do you know? White supremacist?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh for three, completely incorrect, exactly wrong, Rosie o'donald.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
There.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
In fact, the shooter was trans identified as female, biologically
male and further informations. This just sent to me by
Rob Dawson from our Chaoi newsroom. From the manifesto, also
inscribed on the ammunition as I reported in real time
because I saw it killed Donald Trump, so not a
maga republic. And Rosie this directly from the shooter's manifesto quote,
(26:04):
you were right, mama, but the way you handled it
led me to wanting to kill so many people.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
The shooter.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
You know, here's the thing that gets missed. First of all,
if we as a country cannot come together when children are.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Murdered, this is a very sad day.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
It reinforces the fact that people like Rosie o'donnelld just
first of all, are not even operating with facts or information.
This was a really an evil, troubled individual. She's talking about,
not from the factual standpoint from which it is, which
is why if we are not actually dealing with facts,
(26:42):
we can't even begin to have a conversation of how
to stop this from happening. The conversation should be what
is the mental illness of folks like this? And it
brings to mind, obviously the Kevenet shooting in Nashville and
all that happened there in the information we never found
out about that shooting a trends individual also targeting a
Christian school. Really, the question needs to me, how do
(27:04):
we protect these children? How do we begin to address
the roots of what is causing people to do the unthinkable?
And by the way, we've seen over and over again
in England they're trying to ban knives. If bad people
want to do something bad, they will find a way
to do it. So quit with the nonsense. And Rosie's
kind of leading the nonsense charge.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Remember the interests a litle bit that I played final times. Yes,
oh my god, yeah, you know. I'm at the point
with Rosie O'Donnell. I just think that she's so ill
that she needs help, and aren't there people in her life?
Aren't there loved ones who care about her. That just
the things that she says on an almost daily basis
and shares on social media.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
She's not well, She's just not in her right mind.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And to shock you with something her kid is trans.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Right, I think so I believe that's true, But you
know that's I'm just every other day, this is inane,
over the top outrage comment that is not fact based
at all. I mean, at some point, aren't there people
who can just going to step in and say, hey, Rosie,
maybe step aside or we should talk. I mean this
just for the shooter. No one stepped in with that
(28:10):
guy and said, hey, you need help, I gotta come
with me, Ed, We're gonna to treat you. I mean,
I guess we're just in this weird place. We don't
help each other.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Just confirm the delusion, Jensaki. So in real time, she's
concerned about the details that did get out, and they
were not a convenient narrative for the left. So she's
talking to Mayor Jacob Frye about how do we keep
inconvenient facts from coming out? And we're covering a story
literally says the quiet part out loud right here.
Speaker 13 (28:36):
There's already been sort of some effort, which I think
is so sick and disgusting to weaponize some of the details,
even if we don't know a lot at this point
in time, and obviously the law enforcement in your city
have been keeping people abreast, including details about the individual
possibly being trends about the individual possibly having negative things
(28:57):
to say about Trump, about some things that have been
on the weapons, A lot of this.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Is just very early reporting.
Speaker 13 (29:04):
What do you do as a leader of your city
to prevent details from being weaponized and using this to
blame something other than the guns?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
One question, My gosh, were the details true? Yes? And yes?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But also if it was a Maga person, she would
be all over the details, ready to pounce and seize
on it pounds, couldn't we see?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Yeah, this is the one that makes me absolutely red
because what she in, you know, in my mindset, because
what she's really saying here is how do we keep
the American people in the dark about what is really
going on? So what she's saying is, I'm one hundred
percent for censorship. Let's only let those poor slobs in
America know what we think they need to know because
(29:47):
they cannot be trusted with the information. In a very
weird way, it reminds me all the way back to
nine to eleven, where when it happened, there was this
immediate jump to, well, we need to make sure that
nobody takes it out on Muslim people, as though the
American people are not intelligent enough to say I know
a lot of great Muslim people.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
But if we take away.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
The reason why those individuals did it, which is their viewpoint,
their jihattest weaponized viewpoint, that we can never address the problem.
And you know what she says at the very end,
First of all, let's lie to the American people. How
do we keep them from knowing anything so they won't
blame anything but the guns. I'm sorry, put an inanimate
object on the table let.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It be a gun.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
It will not do anything on its own.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
It's the worst kind of socialism, elitist where they really
believe America cannot be trusted with facts.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Well, you mentioned it, Deborah'm so glad you went there,
because this is an all time post on X by
the now departed Norm MacDonald.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's just about to bring it out.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Read it.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I'll do my best. Norm.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
What terrifies me is if I is sort of detonate
a nuclear device and kill fifty million Americans, imagine the
backlash against peaceful Muslims.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
How about about the milis a dead American the ability
to fighting.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
That's Norms humor though, gosh, unfortunately no humor in this.
It happened multiple times across the spectrum because we're really
clued in and we're really sensitive, and we've got the
feels for the shooter. It just killed a couple of
kids and injured twenty Gotta get their pronouns right, Jake Tapper,
make sure of that here on CNN, Jake.
Speaker 14 (31:21):
You know, again piecing together this information, all of it
incredibly disturbing. And again, as I think people have been
pointing out since this happened, you know, you see obviously
some real clues here as to what a motive could be,
but they're not saying formally what it is yet.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
The Minneapolis starts Rebune just as another piece of the
puzzle as to who the shooter was. Minneapolis start Rebuting says,
according to court records, because there's been some confusion about
what the shooter's name was, Robin Westman's mother applied to
change your child's name in twenty nineteen. It was at
one point Robert Paul Westman. But since she identifies as
(31:56):
a female and wants her name to reflect that identification
was underage, it's now Robin Westman.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Okay, just want to make sure we got that right.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So who did it better, Jake Tapper or Alisa Chang
from NPR. And yet she does the voice of crowding
the microphone after interviewing Amy.
Speaker 15 (32:12):
Klobashar nprs Alisa Chang doing an interview with Senator Clobashar,
who's a Minnesota senator, on this issue yesterday.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
That's something that making Kelly set up to it. I
think at.
Speaker 15 (32:24):
Eighteen who have been wounded, who are in the hospitals,
and listen to what's upsetting miss Chang in this discussion.
Speaker 16 (32:30):
Software there is, of course the hate. You're going to
find that this perpetrator, that this horrific offender that he was,
it was all perpect hate, right. He hated a lot
of different groups.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
It wasn't one ideology or another.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
We're going to have to leave it there.
Speaker 17 (32:45):
That is Senator Amy Klobashar of Minnesota, thank you very
much for breaking down.
Speaker 16 (32:49):
Elstuck with Thanks you for thinking of a thank you,
and just.
Speaker 17 (32:52):
A point of clarification. Senator Klobshar referenced the shooter as key.
Although police have identified a suspect, it's still unclear at
this time what that person's gender is or how they identified.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Oh my gosh, this is this is where we don't
need Saturday Night Live, you know, you know that whole
thing about say their name, which I do think we
need to remember people. The whole big thing about Robin
or Robert. You know, honestly, I don't care. I do
not actually care if this individual is transgender. How about
say the names of the children that were killed. How
(33:23):
about we do that instead? This incredible move in our
society to have sympathy for I'm gonna do my Yeah,
I want to have sympathy Ryan with those who are
the perpetrators. And forget about all the innocent children who
are killed.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Do you think they go home they say, hey, honey,
can you pass this all?
Speaker 13 (33:42):
Please?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Please? Yeah, it's a trained voice. It's a very controlled
and constraint. And I'm sorry, but Senator klovichari you we're
not woke enough of this individual. We do not know
how they identify or preferred their pronouns.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yes, or who they hated. I don't care. We need it.
We need to save their name, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
NPR is Alisa Chang Tapper CNN before that also had
Jen Saki, Rosie O'Donnell Alzheimer always of course, and Jacob
Fry those of your nominees.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
We'll have our.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Two panelists vote what they think.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Coming back and your votes at five, seven, seven, three
nine for a Friday Fool of the Week after this
on the right side of Hollywood. Oh, following my program
today Live Over the Year on six point thirty. K
how you're gonna hear Buffs pregames that's gonna be running
that see you. Boulder Football begins tonight and they'll be
(34:33):
playing Georgia Tech. So that kickoff is at six pm.
If I'm not mistaken, you'll still hear the Dan Kaplis Show,
and that'll be online, so you need to listen that way,
So we'll be streaming it, streaming it now, got that
out of the way. Cominees for Friday Fool the Week
got some votes coming in. Let's get the votes of
our panelists. Christian Toto, who do you gotten? Why tough Week?
(34:54):
Hor beings.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I'm going to go with Jen Saki because she is
technically a newsperson and she's demanding that we sense her
news that doesn't fit her narrative. That is the absolute
opposite of what a newsperson should be. I took one
journalism course, of course I knew that.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Yeah, yeah, you know what you still mine, I thought,
I thought, But here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
It's a good.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Vote because of that, Because here's.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
A good thing. She said it out loud. Good, but
she did it without flinching, which means she truly believes
that her.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Job, having been in government and media, is to only
tell the poor, unwashed mass is what they think we
should know, and it's that's really the greatest threat in
many ways to our republic right now.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Okay, so two votes for Jensaki. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We got one more on the text line, so an
early lead. They all deserve us as this texture, but
voting for Jensaki with a green face sick emoji like
they're gonna barb.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
DeMange the dress she usually wears.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
A peppermint patty. She does do that. This one, says Rosie.
I've never forgiven her for what she did to Tom Selleck.
We're talking about that and Johann Bery confronting him on
guns when she.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Was the Queen of Nice.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Queen of Nice until she wasn't she took herself off
that throne.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Jared and Boulder part of our log cabin Republican friends,
says Ryan. Remember that Rosie o'donald's spouse committed suicide.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Take care of your own family members first. Okay, well that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Vote is noted. We'll have more to come. Steven L.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
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